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Jakarta bus-stops

It is with some concern that I note a template and series of articles have been created for Jakarta bus-stops. I know of no reason in either WP:NOT or WP:ABOUT as to why any single bus-stop in Jakarta is a notable entity for articles.

see - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2011_January_19 SatuSuro 08:27, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Should be in the map of Jakarta Mass Rapid Transit. I don't even like these templates: S Jakarta, N Jakarta, etc., and the "Indonesianmusic" template seen in for example Gamelan. I say delete! --Rochelimit (talk) 18:59, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

I thought the Gamelan template was okay. Also did a few edits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.100.213.192 (talk) 04:36, 3 October 2011 (UTC)


21 Cineplex entire article has no external references

Lack of citation fails to give weight to 'facts' posted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheJae (talk • contribs) 08:26, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

"Maluku" or "Maluku Islands"

I've opened discussion about how to refer to the region.Here. Please provide your thoughts there. --Merbabu (talk) 01:44, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Cut Memey

Hi! I created an article on Cut Memey, who is a big celebrity - But I don't know Indonesian. Would anyone mind help adding to the article? Thanks WhisperToMe (talk) 01:37, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

2004 Indian Ocean earthquake and tsunami

2004 Indian Ocean earthquake and tsunami has been requested to be renamed, see Talk:2004 Indian Ocean earthquake and tsunami . 184.144.160.156 (talk) 03:26, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Notability of Middle Schools

Before creating an article about a middle school (SMP), please read Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/SMPK 4 Jakarta. It appears that the current consensus is that middle schools are not intrinsically notable. Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:13, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Location of Lingga Island

I was looking for an obscure island in the south pacific, linked to Google Maps via Wikipedia and got to a map page showing dozens of "W" symbols each referencing a Wiki article. What a great feature! Thanks Wikipedia!

However, one of those "W" symbols, located at approximately 5ºS 104º25'W, links to an article on Lingga Island, which is located at 5ºS 104º25'E. I don't know how to fix that & I'm not really interested, but I do feel that all readers/users have an obligation to report errors. So now I have. Cheers & TTFN. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.202.69.16 (talk) 15:51, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Mother's_Day#Indonesia

Please check that it's accurate. It would be nice if someone could find a reliable source for this, even if it in Indonesian language. --Enric Naval (talk) 12:31, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

California Fried Chicken...

...is up for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/California Fried Chicken. --Merbabu (talk) 07:35, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

  • Just like to say thank you and good work to everyone who hopped in to upgrade the article to improve the explicit notability. We in Indonesia know it's notable, and, as we struggle with our media and primary sources here, I say this was a successful piece of work by everyone involved. Happy that there was a focus on finding sources and updating the article. Alex Rollin (talk) 08:11, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Backlog

I have brought the assessment backlog to a more manageable level. I plan on finishing it after I come back from Lampung, but if anyone is willing please feel free Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:27, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

The assessment backlog is more or less gone. Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:38, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Today's featured article

I have nominated Javan rhinoceros for Today's Featured Article for 17 August, 2011. If you are interested, feel free to add your opinion at the nominations page. Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:02, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Peer review open for Chinese Indonesians

Hello. I have opened a peer review on the recently rewritten article on Chinese Indonesians, which has also received a copyedit from the Guild of Copy Editors. I would like to bring the article to featured status and am soliciting input from participants of relevant projects on possible improvements. Thank you in advance for any suggestion. —Arsonal (talk + contribs)— 18:23, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Find of the month

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinta_Fitri - any suggestions (apart from massive reduction) would be appreciated - as it is it is not a wp article - that is for sure SatuSuro 05:17, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Poor English and overlinked, but enough media coverage (through Google News search) and award wins (found in Indonesian version of article) to meet WP:GNG. The article has actually been around for some time. It's time to read the full synopsis and trim judiciously, I guess, now that the series is over. —Arsonal (talk + contribs)— 05:34, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
Burn it and start from the beginning. I'm surprised it hasn't been AFDd yet. Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:02, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
I see enough of these at WikiProject Chinese-language entertainment to know that these types of things rarely get sent to AfD. —Arsonal (talk + contribs)— 06:09, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
Ah. Presumption of notability on long-running shows? Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:16, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
Common outcomes and WP:RUBBISH. —Arsonal (talk + contribs)— 06:20, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
True, true. For Cinta Fitri, I think we should still rewrite pretty much from scratch; it will relieve us of the temptation to keep the same prose. Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:32, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
The sign of the phantom in the night drop it all in like a flaming rubbish bin - Indonesian Television articles - (1) overlinking (2) unable to grapple with the idea that the text needs cites/WP:RS (3) TMI (Too much information) (4) probably not an equivalent article in the Wp Id domain at all SatuSuro 06:58, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
On the contrary: id:Cinta Fitri, which is slightly more presentable. —Arsonal (talk + contribs)— 07:19, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
Point taken - I am wrong with (4) - but I would disagree in agf - neither presentable or really adequate - hardly a cite anywhere and again far too large... maybe some smart cookie is trying to copy across to practice with their translation efforts SatuSuro 10:53, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

On a somewhat related note, sinetron probably warrants more than a simple redirect. A simple search of the word on Google Books yield several reputable works on the topic. —Arsonal (talk + contribs)— 07:43, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Impressive user draft

I discovered this impressive user draft on the Maluku sectarian violence in 1999–2002, a topic we are missing in our coverage of the chaos following Suharto's departure. It was written over a two-week period in the beginning of April. Unfortunately, the user—who appears to have taken on multiple usernames judging by the draft's history—has not made any further contributions to Wikipedia since then. One section remains unwritten, but I feel it would be a shame to leave the work to gather dust because it could benefit from further collaboration from other users. Does anyone have any opinion about it? —Arsonal (talk + contribs)— 01:41, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Quite impressive, but check for close paraphrasing. I've had to rewrite one of the articles he created under his new username (probably) to remove that problem. Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:17, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
You're right; it's him. His user page seems to indicate that he intends to continue working on it. It might be worth noting that he's edited the page under 2 IP accounts and 2 separate WP accounts already, meaning the one you indicated would be his third account. I will put the page on my watchlist and see if anything develops from it. —Arsonal (talk + contribs)— 07:40, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
Maybe someone should be calling out WP:SOCK !!! and try to convince the user to stay with one name and account where possible SatuSuro 13:07, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
I'd go the AGF route and assume it never occurred to the editor. Doesn't seem to be illegit. Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:59, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

FAC nomination of Chinese Indonesians

The article on Chinese Indonesians is a featured article candidate. Editors from this project, whose scope covers this article, are invited to participate in its review. —Arsonal (talk + contribs)— 04:54, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Category issues

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:The_spread_of_Islam_in_Indonesia - I suggest that anyone interested might want to venture into the rather silent and not obligated to check with project world of category fiddling - SatuSuro 12:45, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

It's all happening - one thing after another and not a sign of any idea of discussion here at all http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Islam_in_Indonesia SatuSuro 23:15, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Please note that people on this project have taken considerable time and effort to reach the standards in the history section: see specially in view of the discussions at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:The_spread_of_Islam_in_Indonesia...

I believe that edit the notion of 'Bold' at http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=History_of_Islam_in_Indonesia&action=historysubmit&diff=450507853&oldid=450425592 is in total disrespect for (a) established template at the History as found at the History article - and is (b) jumping the gun on the discussion at the CFD rename which by no means is clearly one way or the other established a resolution.

It should be much more considerate and worthy of checking with the remaining editors on the project who have been around and involved in the creation of the template and project rather than just jumping around like that. SatuSuro 11:41, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Apologies for causing any offence. Feel free to revert the move if you feel sure that the previous name was better in the context of this project. I moved the page to History of Islam in Indonesia and suggested that the category should be named likewise to match others in Category:History of Islam by country. This pattern is being rolled out following WP:Categories for discussion/Log/2011 June 30#Religious history categories (e.g. the Christian history categories at CFD July 8). – Fayenatic (talk) 13:29, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

FAR notice

I have nominated Homo floresiensis for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Dana boomer (talk) 13:11, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Hey, what should I do?

I am part of this group now. What should I do. I love Indonesia and I know a lot about it. So I could basically edit any wheres. But if you dudes have a suggestion, I will start editing it. Bring it on! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.14.36.165 (talk) 04:23, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

RM

Hi. If anyone knows a bit about Indonesian football, then some input would be appreciated at Talk:Indonesian football league system#Requested move. Jenks24 (talk) 16:52, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Images under deletion threat

Just would like to draw attention that several images of very broad usage are under DR at Commons, including: File:Balicolor.jpg, File:Java-1934.jpg, File:Ujung-Kulon.jpg. If anybody can find evidence of these having been published in Indonesia, than can be rescued. --Elekhh (talk) 05:55, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Borobudur

The main article Borobudur s getting too large as an article - and in fact the subject is almost of Portal size (any helpers?) - as a consequence I am proposing/suggesting - that parts of the main article might be separated into sub articles - the usage of the monument by events organised by the New Order and more recent governments is particularly out of context of the original site- as well as the gradual destruction by over-usage - I suggest that anyone who doubts the breakup idea - should see what had to happen with the Krakatoa article - it is now in parts - please support this proposal - thanks SatuSuro 13:00, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

The article quality has deteriorated significantly with the addition of new trivial and recent info. The language/prose throughout the article has deteriorated too. This feature article would likely fail an WP:FAR. It needs a lot of work. Start by deleting the excessive show off photos. I'd be happy to go through it with a scalpel in the new year - until then, I won't have much time. --Merbabu (talk) 13:14, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
I am convinced it is potentially a portal subject with a lot more smaller component articles rather than a one size fits all into one article - maybe a project for the WP: Indonesia project for early 2012 - a Borobudur portal with the main article cut up into smaller ones! I do not intend to touch anything until new year - but would like to see the change occur SatuSuro 14:05, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Support me

Hi. The members of this project, please support me to create another WikiProject task force for Indonesian football. Your participation is appreciated. SpartacksCompatriot (talk) 10:23, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

FA Nomination

1740 Batavia massacre, within this project's scope, has been nominated for featured article status at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/1740 Batavia massacre/archive1. Any feedback would be welcome. Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:50, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

WikiWomen's History Month

Hi everyone. March is Women's History Month and I'm hoping a few folks here at WP:Indonesia will have interest in putting on events (on and off wiki) related to women's roles in Indonesia's history, society and culture. We've created an event page on English Wikipedia (please translate!) and I hope you'll find the inspiration to participate. These events can take place off wiki, like edit-a-thons, or on wiki, such as themes and translations. Please visit the page here: WikiWomen's History Month. Thanks for your consideration and I look forward to seeing events take place! SarahStierch (talk) 21:35, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Soccer

Looking at the edit history of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro_Duta_FC as an example-it is clear that Indonesia soccer articles are not being created as articles that fall into correct format of WP articles - but seem to be a place for incessant addition of marginal and overlinked/incorrect WP:MOS format/ lists. It is possible that many need to be either deleted or cleaned up - any ideas? SatuSuro 13:44, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

New List of endangered languages in Indonesia, needs work

Serious precedent

Following a literal straight copy from WP id a group of kelurahan stubs with no WP:RS, WP:N or WP:CITE, and even the mistakes from WP id carried over are being argued as valid stubs and not for deletion ....

We have been able in the past to discourage mirroring WP id articles due to the almost total lack of WP:RS or WP:CITE and the tendency for them to be created by fly-by-night edit methods where the creators have never returned to either develop the stubs or to even acknowledge any messages on their talk pages.

The arguments all populated places are notable - means this project has the potential to have anywhere 5,000 to 7,000 extra permanently unreferenced stubs with no notability apart from having a postcode and a name in the majority of cases.

At the Afd it has been stated that Gambir is fine and the sufficient article, with these component sub-level localities not wanted - but the keep argument seems to ignore that.

The issue is not to prevent the gazzetteer tendency (wherever the precedent was set) - but the absurdity in a project where there are so many kelurahans that are lower than the village level and with nothing of any WP:RS, WP:N to support their inclusion. The village level even is problematic, but that is another argument... these are lower than that and should be considered not relevant - even the dutch when they cartographically captured the netherlands east indies with maps and gazetteers did not go down so far... SatuSuro 12:42, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Gunfire incident on plane

I found a post about gunmen in the Papua region firing at a passenger plane:

The articles Mulia (locality) and Trigana Air (airline) do not yet exist WhisperToMe (talk) 13:12, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Heads up

Hi all, just wanted to give you a heads up that your project is featured on the Wikimedia Foundation blog today :) Hope this brings in some good new contributors for you! Cheers, Maryana (WMF) (talk) 16:55, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Translation of "Kecamantan"

May I ask for more consistency about the way that the word "Kecamantan" is translated in the many articles about these component parts of Regencies (or of Independent cities in some cases). Sometimes the word is translated as "District" and sometimes as "Subdistrict", implying that these are separate levels of administration. In English, the word "subdistrict" implies a lower level of administration below the district level. As I understand it, in the administrative ordering of government, Regencies are divided into districts - nothing "sub" about it. Of course it is in order to describe these as sub-divisions of regencies, but it is not in order to use the word subdistrict as this is both confusing and inconsistent. Rif Winfield (talk) 06:43, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

for a start there is no n - keca matan.

The whole Indonesian subdivision issue is fraught with a whole range of issues that would be hard to documente easily in a short way here - the confusion is increased by (a) non-english speakers tring to carry across items from the Indonesian wikipedia into engliah wikipedia with little regard to WP:MOS and standards and usages in WP:en (b) non-indonesian speakers imposing a range of their ideas on the project. It seems that there are many regions for improvement.

The slippage of mis-usage of terms works both ways.

as for the confusion addresed above - etymology might be a start

  • camat - head of a ke - camat - an -

kecamatan - sub-district (usually of a kabupaten)

  • bupati - head of a ka - bupat - en -

kabupaten - provincial sub-district (usually of a province)

  • province (propinsi)

I would suggest a close usage of an Indonesian-english dictionary might help as well SatuSuro 10:40, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

I think we can expect that kecamatan be translated consistently, and I’m suggesting that if there is no evidence or sources to the contrary, references to “sub-district” can be changed to “district”. If more info comes to light, or another editor challenges it (with verification), then fine. And of course, if the sub-district term is introduced in place of district, then I suggest it is removed until verified.
The only explanatory mention of a sub-district I can find is on the Administrative divisions of Indonesia page with specific reference to Aceh province – ie, a mukim.
cheers --Merbabu (talk) 00:46, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
PS - is there an example of where sub-district has been used? --Merbabu (talk) 00:49, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

AfD for Tawuran

I thought that some of you may be interested in this Indonesia-related AfD. We need a more thorough consensus as soon as possible, as it's already been relisted once.—Yutsi Talk/ Contributions ( 偉特 ) 17:01, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

List criteria

What is the inclusion and exclusion criteria for this list, List of Indonesians?. If there is no clear criteria the content should be removed.*Annas* (talk) 06:37, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Kepahiang

There's a discussion at Talk:Kepahiang about two near-identical articles Kepahiang and Kepahiang Regency. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:30, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

A-class

I think we should remove the A-class review section from our project page. It's not active, and I see no point in keeping it there and confusing other editors. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:57, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Not only that - as we have had so little project discussion in at least 4 or 5 years, a review of the whole assessment portal and project maintenance needs to be done - if we have a few interested at all that is...SatuSuro 02:26, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Problem is this is the en wiki - and we need good communication amongst the editors - in english

One way would be to simply archive all inactive parts of the project... and simply work:

  • on this page
  • Afd
  • re-jigging the portal

Anyone else with ideas? SatuSuro 02:29, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

  • Haven't a clue on how to deal with portals. I've hidden the inactive parts of the project. For the portal, I think we could have Sudirman and Chrisye as featured biographies, to replace some of the lower-quality biographies. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:45, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
    • wow - wow - amazing - thanks for your efforts! If we only had a few more with your commendable dedication - the project could jump back into hyperactivity after years of somnolence and sloth... month looks more manageable SatuSuro 10:28, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
For anyone following this conversation is wondering.. it is about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Indonesia

and the component parts which had not been updated for some years... SatuSuro 10:32, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

In view of the watch statistics - http://stats.grok.se/en/latest/Portal:Indonesia - the credibility of the project (from an updated portal) is actually enhanced - it actually gives a clue that there still might be active editors around... SatuSuro 10:35, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Wow, I see some improvement in the Portal. You are good contributor *Annas* (talk) 11:51, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Perth requested-move notification

A requested move survey was started at Talk:Perth_(disambiguation)#Requested_move, which proposes to move:

Background: There was a previous requested-move survey which ran from late May to mid June. There was a great deal of controversy surrounding the closure and subsequent events, which involved a number of reverts and re-reverts which are the subject of an ongoing arbitration case. There was a move review process, which was closed with a finding that the original requested-move closure was endorsed; however, the move review process is relatively new and untried. — P.T. Aufrette (talk) 04:10, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Portal - Selected articles / biographies

Do we want to keep only important subjects in the selected box (which would mean no chance at FPortal), or high quality articles on possibly minor subjects (which would give a better chance at FPortal)? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:12, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Pelalawan

Template:Pelalawan has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. DH85868993 (talk) 00:51, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Indonesian_language#Indonesian_Wikipedia - please have a look...

Opinions from any interested editors are welcome at the discussion linked above. cheers --Merbabu (talk) 10:25, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

New article Shi'a Islam in Indonesia

Greetings, I recently put together Shi'a Islam in Indonesia, since that topic has very little coverage on Wikipedia. I'd appreciate any help in expanding the article. Thanks! MatthewVanitas (talk) 17:56, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Perspective

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Indonesia/Popular_pages - interesting insight when you compare - the hits, the status of the article, and its importance... an interesting geometry of where some FCA and GA are low on the list and some low importance articles are high on the hits... SatuSuro 03:37, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

  • The Raid is obviously because it's getting a following in the West. Cracked.com did a (spoof) review of it and the horrible subtitles. Iko Uwais likewise. The rest of the top 100 are fairly logical targets given Wikipedia's inherent audience bias. Eat Bulaga! Indonesia puzzles me, though. I've never even heard of it, but then again I avoid Indonesian TV like the plague. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:49, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Sriwijaya U-21 vs Sriwijaya FC U-21

I need some help from your project (and the football project). Can some of you please check the articles Sriwijaya U-21 and Sriwijaya FC U-21 to see whether they are about the same team, and if so to merge them (or perhaps into Sriwijaya F.C.? They clearly need cleanup, the Sriwijaya U-21 makes references to "the only team in Hong Kong sports history" and things that happened from 2002 until 1934. Thanks! Fram (talk) 08:39, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

FPOC

Just a reminder to everyone, Portal:Indonesia is up for featured status here. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:43, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Nice work on the Portal. I've left a comment about the intro at Portal talk:Indonesia/Intro. John Vandenberg (chat) 02:24, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Jakarta transportation working bee

We have organised an working bee for next Wednesday afternoon (13:00 - 16:00 WIB) to focus on the articles about TransJakarta, and a social meet in the evening. See id:Wikipedia:Kopi_darat/Jakarta_(24_Oktober_2012)

I'd appreciate it if a few skilled English Wikipedians could help before, during or after, helping to copy the English transportation structure/templates/etc over to Indonesian Wikipedia. especially Geocode templates. John Vandenberg (chat) 04:35, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Congratulations, Portal:Indonesia is now a Featured Portal! Cheers, — Cirt (talk) 05:00, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Template:Indonesian selected article talk

{{Indonesian selected article talk}} has been nominated for deletion -- 65.92.181.190 (talk) 06:40, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Suggested move for Saminism Movement

Searching on Google, I cannot find any use of the name "Saminism Movement". Some refer to it as the "Samin movement", others as just "Saminism", yet others call them the "Samin people"; in any case "Saminism movement" is a strange term, as "-ism" already implies a movement.

I suggest the page be moved to one of the other terms: Samin movement, Saminism or Samin people, whichever term is the most common. Note that people or movement should not be capitalized.

I am not moving this page myself because the lead would have to be considerably rewritten, and I am not familiar enough with the subject to do that.

(I had already proposed this on the article's talk page, but I had received no response.)

הסרפד (Hasirpad) [formerly Ratz...bo] 00:18, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Invitation

Hello everyone. You are invited to take part on discussion about Minangkabau Wikipedia, a new editon of Wikipedia based on Minangkabau language, in the Incubator. Let's give your opinion about this project. Cheers! SpartacksCompatriot 14:07, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Districts and subdistricts

AsianGeographer pointed out that while the article on subdivisions of Indonesia calls the Kecamatan "districts", they're categorizend in Category:Subdistricts of Indonesia and its sub-categories. This seems inconsistent. The category Category:Districts of Indonesia was deleted in 2011. What's the preferred nomenclature for Indonesian subdivisions, and can we get articles and categories to agree? Huon (talk) 23:14, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Seems to be resolved in favor of "subdistrict". Huon (talk) 19:59, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, I always understood it to be subdistrict. My Indo-English dictionary supports this too. --Merbabu (talk) 21:50, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Provinces

Please see Talk:Bengkulu#Requested move, Talk:Bali#Requested move, Talk:Special Region of Yogyakarta#Requested move. AsianGeographer (talk) 23:20, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Please don't create individual topics for all 34 Indonesian provinces. They should be discussed centrally. --Merbabu (talk) 23:59, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

We live in interesting times

Colonial history of Indonesia has been changed to Dutch_colonialism_in_Southeast_Asia - and some interesting things have arisen from that changes. Please see: [1]

Where possible such processes of changing significant sections of the project content should be discussed centrally. SatuSuro 01:29, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Yes, but remember that "Colonial history of Indonesia" was newly created this morning from copy and paste from other articles, and then subsequently moved by the same editor to "Dutch colonialism in Southeast Asia". I'm confused by both the article creation, and the subsequent move. --Merbabu (talk) 01:34, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
What Crisco said. --Merbabu (talk) 01:36, 5 January 2013 (UTC)


No conversation

Further to the unreplied comment above about the terminology of districts and subdistricts of Indonesia, a group of categories have been nominated for speedy deletion and change to a different name see: [2]

As changing these categories will severly impact on the whole subdivision category tree (ie http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Subdistricts_of_Indonesia and , the lack of conversation and assumption that C2 is a valid process shows a lack of understanding of process. SatuSuro 05:32, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Suspicious subdistrict listings

Apart from inconsistency in the WikiProject Indonesia WRT translation of kecamatan (for now solved as subdistrict?) there are suspicious entries in the kecamatan listings itself, see Talk:Districts of Aceh. So beware to create articles and categories based on these listings as long as they are not verified. AsianGeographer (talk) 17:04, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

  • That's rather pointless to post here, as the people who watchlist this page aren't the people who make those articles. Heck, some of 'em think we shouldn't even have articles on the (sub)districts — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:42, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
Well, you both have points. The people who create the articles may not look here, but the people who clean them up (i.e. us) do look here. :) As for whether they are notable, they most certainly are, and ideally Wikipedia should record them for readers. But, I also understand the arguements against them on practical grounds - who's going to verify all the info? They will never be well developed articles. Too many of them, too little info. --Merbabu (talk) 23:45, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Bogor Heritage Project Proposal - Comments Welcome

Here in Bogor we're going to make some coordinated efforts to update all of the articles about heritage locations like buildings and museums. We're going to be planning some activities like training more folks to update wikipedia.We invite the members of the Indonesia WikiProject to make comments about our project proposal so that we can make the best possible decisions as we move the project and the organizing ahead.Please visit the project proposal, which is being updated with links to articles we intend to update and maintain.

Can operate as a descendant project of WikiProject Indonesia. How would this work?Alex Rollin (talk) 08:23, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

In some project contexts - one idea would be a task force idea (WP:MILHIST has many) - that is something expected to be limited in scope in time and focus in comparison to the larger project.

The thing about specific themes and locations in Indonesia is that a general improvement and cleanup drive would be relevant for:

  • Jakarta
  • Transport in Indonesia
  • unreferenced articles

However as the project has a limited number of volunteers - there is only so much to be expected of a participant. So suggestion to the Bogor group would be to not aim too high, the example of the Indonesian project should be an indication - there are only so many people and only so much time. SatuSuro 00:04, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Page move request at Talk:South East Sulawesi

Please read, consider, and comment. Thanks. --Merbabu (talk)

An old favourite

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_invasion_of_Java - invites some quite amazing statistics and claims (usually unreferenced) - please keep on watch SatuSuro 23:56, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Banned Sock

For those who have seen a range of odd changes on the Indonesian categories and articles, and who havent met the banned sock before, User:AsianGeographer has been identified as User:Tobias Conradi a disruptive banned sock.

Please feel free to revert any edits, or tag or question any of his edits - the legacy is of somebody who doesnt really give any positive or lasting contributions to wikipedia or the Indonesian project. It is well worth looking at the classic talk page interactions and edit patterns, and warning admins if you see the pattern repeated by new users who also seem to know the ropes at the same time. SatuSuro 14:21, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Province articles and regency listings

I've noticed that a few province articles are now listing all the regencies in table format with a number of fields on the regency details including area, estimated population, census population, and capital. I'm not even sure that we need a listing of even the regency name. We certainly don't need all the details of the regencies on the province page. In the case of North_Sumatra#Administration (link to actual section in article), it's actually more than half the article.

I intend to remove the expanded list of fields. My question is thus, should we:

I'm thinking of the last option.

Or perhaps we need to consider whether even a list of only names is needed? --Merbabu (talk) 21:25, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

I think the "nice to have" solution is separate detailed lists on regencies and cities for each province. The national list and the provincial articles can then refer to these articles for additional details. I'm fine with keeping it as is in good faith that the census data is correct. It will be easier to verify later that the numbers are indeed correct than starting over from scratch. —Arsonal (talk + contribs)— 23:43, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Gili Islands

The contents of the three separate Gili Islands were merged unilaterally into a single Gili Islands article/ What do people think? --Merbabu (talk) 10:35, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

No objection here. Gili Trawangan might be the only one that could possibly stand alone as its own article if its history is expanded. —Arsonal (talk + contribs)— 23:47, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gamelan gong gede

See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gamelan gong gede. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 18:04, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

National Heroes

Doing an overhaul of this very important list here. Anyone with the time and willingness to copyedit and add sourced (super)short biographies is welcome to help. I will try and get a picture of the certificate they gave HB IX when I have the time... Sunday? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:09, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Quality articles

Do we want to automate the current featured and good articles listing? JL-Bot is available for this. See example usage at Wikipedia:WikiProject Anime and manga/Quality articles. Let me know which parameters should be included and I can set it up. —Arsonal (talk + contribs)— 00:14, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Need a favor

Please help me :( i just translated an indonesian arcticle into english Chen Fu Zhen Ren and i believe i've made so many grammatical errors. Can u guys help me right there? thank u very much Okkisafire (talk) 02:35, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Your kind response needed

Hello, this is another mate on the English Wikipedia. This may not be directly related with Indonesia but i'd appreciated your comments. I'm requesting your comments as i feel some false accusation are being made without reliable sources in some Islam related articles that were created by a single editor User:BengaliHindu. Specially, i found this article 2013 Canning riots with lots of bias and false accusations against Muslims where Muslim clerics were murdered yet blames goes to local Muslim people. May be i'm wrong but it may also possible that such articles were created per Islamophobia. I'd deeply appreciate your comments and advises. Best Regards,  Mrwikidor ←track 16:36, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

North Kalimantan

Certainly you know about the splitting of the province East Kalimantan into a new East Kalimantan and a new North Kalimantan in october 2012. The map file:IndonesiaEastKalimantan.png should have to be corrected, and a map of North Kalimantan to be created. Could someone in the Indonesia Cartography project do that work? Thanks in advance, --ThomasPusch (talk) 22:22, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Koes Bersaudara.jpg

image:Koes Bersaudara.jpg has been nominted for deletion -- 65.94.76.126 (talk) 00:46, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Is this a reliable source for info about Acehnese Wikipedia?

Looking on the Russian Wikipedia article on the Acehnese Wikipedia, I found some sources:

WhisperToMe (talk) 07:39, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Javanese scripts

Hi. I've done major rework to Javanese script article. I've made information easier to read and added lots of images. However, the quality is still a stub, how to reassess it? And i've anyone is interested, please give feedback so it could improve more. Thank you. Alteaven (talk) 00:25, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Backlog

Raising the issue of a major backlog in Indonesian article assessments here. Ominae (talk) 05:36, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Requesting article assessment

Requesting someone to check Pindad Komodo. It has a start grade, but it's expanded that it earned a DYK notice. Ominae (talk) 08:53, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Military images up for deletion

have been nominated for deletion -- 65.94.79.6 (talk) 11:55, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Template:History of Indonesia

There have been some considerable changes to this template in recent months. Today someone has removed the graphic which I think is rather disappointing.

Perhaps it is time for a few more eyes to review. cheers --Merbabu (talk) 22:33, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Makassar city flag.png

image:Makassar city flag.png has been nominated for deletion -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 04:29, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

"Imlek"

The usage of Imlek (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) is under discussion, see Talk:Imlek (company) -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 04:58, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Proposal

As the Indonesian Football (ie Soccer) is an ever increasing part of the Indonesian project, with no sign of abating. The possibility of a Task Force or subsidiary project that does not interfere with the main project.

Many other country Projects have separate Sport and Football projects for the efficient management of the materials and assessment, and it would be an excellent opportunity to have a bilingual introduction that could bypass the total on project silence from the a number of Indonesian editors who apparently use machine translation for their edits...

Also it would be possible then to also have a clearer understanding of the contents of the project. There might be other sub projects, that once started up, would require minimal maintenance, but it would be more manageable.

Any thoughts? sats 03:24, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

WP Indonesia in the Signpost

The WikiProject Report would like to focus on WikiProject Indonesia for a Signpost article. This is an excellent opportunity to draw attention to your efforts and attract new members to the project. Would you be willing to participate in an interview? If so, here are the questions for the interview. Just add your response below each question and feel free to skip any questions that you don't feel comfortable answering. Multiple editors will have an opportunity to respond to the interview questions, so be sure to sign your answers. If you know anyone else who would like to participate in the interview, please share this with them. Have a great day. –Mabeenot (talk) 00:03, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

{{Countries and territories of Southeast Asia}}

Template:Countries and territories of Southeast Asia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) has been nominated for deletion -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 10:28, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

{{Countries and territories bordering the Indian Ocean}}

Template:Countries and territories bordering the Indian Ocean (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) has been nominated for deletion -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 11:21, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Bang Habib article.

Hello. I've just recently nominated Bang Habib and Eri Satria to the AfD board because I feel that these two articles, created by SaidMuqaffa (talk · contribs), don't really look like legit articles with no reliable links and sources to prove their existence. The Bang Habib article even looks like a partial copy-edit because its infobox has TV3 Sweden's logo. I'm not from Indonesia myself to forward any more proof other than my hunches, so I'm asking any good and credible user from Indonesia, especially from Langsa, where the two "stations" are allegedly based, to have their say. I appreciate your help. Terima Kasih. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 11:51, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

Pramono Edhie Wibowo, Army Chief.jpg

image:Pramono Edhie Wibowo, Army Chief.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 65.92.181.39 (talk) 04:58, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Atheism in Indonesia

There is a request posted at Wikipedia:Proposed mergers for the merger of Atheism in Indonesian law into this article (Irreligion in Indonesia). Any contributions would be welcome. Dwanyewest (talk) 17:56, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Weltevreden

There is an article on Indonesian wikipedia on id:Weltevreden with German and Dutch language links but no English one. However there is an full scale public domain reference book devoted to the topic:

  • Walter M. Gibson (1855). The Prison of Weltevreden and a Glance at the East Indian Archipelago, by Walter M. Gibson. J. C. Riker.

Editors familiar with the subject can think of creating the article. Solomon7968 17:21, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

dayung sampan

It is a folk song from long ago, which was re-rendered to "tian mi mi" by Teresa Teng. Can anyone create the article about this Indonesian/Malaysian song? --George Ho (talk) 04:25, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Merger discussion

I have proposed merging Terbuka University with Universitas Terbuka, an older article on the same institution. The discussion is at Talk:Universitas Terbuka#Proposed merger of Terbuka University here. Yngvadottir (talk) 14:08, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

The Quality of the Writing in the Article on Ki Hajar Dewantara

There are long stretches of text in this article that have clearly been written by a non-native speaker of English. Before I realized how much there was, I tried to convert the text into standard English but gave up. I just could not figure out what the writer intended. It would be nice if someone who knows both the subject matter and English could work on the article.CorinneSD (talk) 16:49, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Indonesian political labels

There have been a few edits by non-registered editors to Indonesian political party articles such as Golkar and Indonesian Democratic Party – Struggle‎ that have added labels in the "position" section of the Political Party or Indonesian Political Party Infoboxes such as Centre-left to Left-wing, Social liberalism, Democratic liberalism, Liberal democracy, Conservative liberalism and Paleoliberalism. It seems to me there are two problems with such additions. Firstly, they are uncited and secondly, does it make sense to apply western/European political labels to Indonesian parties? After all, typical left-wing policies include nationalization, which is at odds with Chapter XIV of the Constitution of Indonesia, which states that major means of production are to be controlled by the state. Would it not be better to use the nationalist/religious and pro-reformist/non-reformist labels used in Evans, Kevin Raymond, (2003) The History of Political Parties & General Elections in Indonesia? I don't want to replace uncited edits with original research, which is a problem given that Evans wrote his book before parties such as Gerindra and Hanura were established, but it seems silly to leave the latter as based on Anti-facism,Liberal socialism,Social democracy,Progressivism and Democratic socialism. Does anyone have any thoughts? I am inclined to remove these western labels and revert all such positions to Pancasila, which the law specifies, and/or anything else claimed on their respective websites. Would anybody have problems with that? Davidelit (Talk) 17:23, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

Title dispute: Sultan Aji Muhamad Sulaiman Airport

Although a requested move discussion has not taken place, there has been protracted edit warring on Sultan Aji Muhamad Sulaiman Airport about the name of the airport. As the administrator who protected the page, I'm advising members of this project to provide any assistance and advice they can. Thank you. —C.Fred (talk) 18:57, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Reassessment

Can I get a reassessment for the article, Maluku sectarian conflict? --Tyrionasaurus (talk) 11:58, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

As of January, the popular pages tool has moved from the Toolserver to Wikimedia Tool Labs. The code has changed significantly from the Toolserver version, but users should notice few differences. Please take a moment to look over your project's list for any anomalies, such as pages that you expect to see that are missing or pages that seem to have more views than expected. Note that unlike other tools, this tool aggregates all views from redirects, which means it will typically have higher numbers. (For January 2014 specifically, 35 hours of data is missing from the WMF data, which was approximated from other dates. For most articles, this should yield a more accurate number. However, a few articles, like ones featured on the Main Page, may be off).

Web tools, to replace the ones at tools:~alexz/pop, will become available over the next few weeks at toollabs:popularpages. All of the historical data (back to July 2009 for some projects) has been copied over. The tool to view historical data is currently partially available (assessment data and a few projects may not be available at the moment). The tool to add new projects to the bot's list is also available now (editing the configuration of current projects coming soon). Unlike the previous tool, all changes will be effective immediately. OAuth is used to authenticate users, allowing only regular users to make changes to prevent abuse. A visible history of configuration additions and changes is coming soon. Once tools become fully available, their toolserver versions will redirect to Labs.

If you have any questions, want to report any bugs, or there are any features you would like to see that aren't currently available on the Toolserver tools, see the updated FAQ or contact me on my talk page. Mr.Z-bot (talk) (for Mr.Z-man) 05:10, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Ranai listed at Redirects for Discussion

Ranai, the name of a place in Indonesia, current redirects to the Lanai article, which is about a place in Hawaii. Your views in the discussion about what to do with this redirect are welcome at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 March 3#Ranai. Thryduulf (talk) 00:43, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

AfC submission - 25/03

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Parang Nabur. FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 15:29, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Jembatan Merah Plaza, a shopping mall in Surabaya, Indonesia

Another editor tagged Jembatan Merah Plaza for proposed deletion. I removed the prod. If someone can expand the article, that would be helpul. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 04:03, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

Why should it not be deleted? --Merbabu (talk) 04:13, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

AfC submission - 21/04

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Balato (sword). FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 15:28, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

Folklore of the Moluccas

Greetings. In my new page patrols, I found the newly created article "Moluccas Folklore" which I renamed to the current title. At the very least, it needs some cleanup by people whose knowledge of the subject is better than mine and whose knowledge of English is better than the article creator. Also, is the subject extensive enough to merit its own article, or is it better off as a subsection of Folklore of Indonesia?

The article creator, User:BP34Itang has created other articles on Indonesian subjects, and I hope someone from here will contact him and collaborate with him on his work.

Thank you for your time. --Finngall talk 19:39, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

  • Thanks for the heads up, Finngall. Based on the user name, the editor is probably a participant in the current Bebaskan Pengetahuan writing competition, so I doubt the English article was his main focus (they don't get any points for an article if there's no interwiki). Regarding whether or not the subject is notable enough for an article: yes. Plain yes. (Compare how we have Javanese literature and Balinese literature as well as Indonesian literature; these things existed well before the Indonesian nation). There are probably individual legends worth their own articles as well, considering how much money the Indonesian government has been paying for research into oral literature. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:23, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Invitation to User Study

Would you be interested in participating in a user study? We are a team at University of Washington studying methods for finding collaborators within a Wikipedia community. We are looking for volunteers to evaluate a new visualization tool. All you need to do is to prepare for your laptop/desktop, web camera, and speaker for video communication with Google Hangout. We will provide you with a Amazon gift card in appreciation of your time and participation. For more information about this study, please visit our wiki page (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Finding_a_Collaborator). If you would like to participate in our user study, please send me a message at Wkmaster (talk) 23:07, 7 May 2014 (UTC).

AfC submission - 02/05

Draft:Badik. FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 12:17, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Wiki Loves Pride 2014

You are invited to participate in Wiki Loves Pride 2014, a campaign to create and improve LGBT-related content at Wikipedia and its sister projects. The campaign will take place throughout the month of June, culminating with a multinational edit-a-thon on June 21. Meetups are being held in some cities, or you can participate remotely. All constructive edits are welcome in order to contribute to Wikipedia's mission of providing quality, accurate information. Articles within Category:LGBT in Asia may be of particular interest. You can also upload LGBT-related images by participating in Wikimedia Commons' LGBT-related photo challenge. You are encouraged to share the results of your work here. Happy editing! --Another Believer (Talk) 21:14, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Leaflet For Wikiproject Indonesia At Wikimania 2014

Hi all,

My name is Adi Khajuria and I am helping out with Wikimania 2014 in London.

One of our initiatives is to create leaflets to increase the discoverability of various wikimedia projects, and showcase the breadth of activity within wikimedia. Any kind of project can have a physical paper leaflet designed - for free - as a tool to help recruit new contributors. These leaflets will be printed at Wikimania 2014, and the designs can be re-used in the future at other events and locations.

This is particularly aimed at highlighting less discoverable but successful projects, e.g:

• Active Wikiprojects: Wikiproject Medicine, WikiProject Video Games, Wikiproject Film

• Tech projects/Tools, which may be looking for either users or developers.

• Less known major projects: Wikinews, Wikidata, Wikivoyage, etc.

• Wiki Loves Parliaments, Wiki Loves Monuments, Wiki Loves ____

• Wikimedia thematic organisations, Wikiwomen’s Collaborative, The Signpost

For more information or to sign up for one for your project, go to:
Project leaflets
Adikhajuria (talk) 11:29, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

AfC submission - 17/06

Draft:Kurabit. FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 14:20, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Hello,
Please note that Java Man, which is within this project's scope, has been selected as one of Today's articles for improvement. The article was scheduled to appear on Wikipedia's Community portal in the "Today's articles for improvement" section for one week, beginning today. Everyone is encouraged to collaborate to improve the article. Thanks, and happy editing!
Delivered by Theo's Little Bot at 01:00, 30 June 2014 (UTC) on behalf of the TAFI team

Removing the Indonesian Project tag

Hi,

The Indonesia project appears to be in some trouble. Given the increasing number of uncited edits from IP editors that are coming too fast to revert, and also bearing in mind the problems getting support from admins to even impose temporary blocks, I suggest that it would be a good idea to formalize the defacto abandonment of certain classes of Indonesia articles. I suggest there would be two ways to do this: either remove the Indonesia portal/project tags, or produce a new one stating that the articles in question are not being monitored by project members.

The articles I have in mind to start with are Indonesian TV stations, airports, football teams and airlines, and perhaps political parties. It may be necessary to focus on a core of articles, perhaps geography and history, and just let the others go. Any thoughts? Davidelit (Talk) 01:20, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Languages in censuses and Race and ethnicity in censuses

Pleas add information about this country to this articles. --Kaiyr (talk) 17:10, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Keumalahayati

I've been trying to add pictures of women of color to Wikipedia for greater historical visibility, and I found a portrait of Keumalahayati on Google images. The only problem is that the source (found here: http://www.republika.co.id/berita/nasional/umum/12/04/21/m2thed-keumalahayati-laksamana-wanita-pertama-di-dunia) is entirely in Indonesian, so I can't learn any copyright information. Would anyone be willing to translate and help? Or perhaps, even go so far as try to get in touch with whoever runs the website in order to get information about the portrait if the website doesn't give the information needed? Thank you. Asarelah (talk) 15:18, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

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