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Hallmark

Thanks for helping out with Hallmark of Hall of Fame movie Front of the Classs. I couldn't get the image to work for me, but it's there now and that's what counts. Also thanks for finding more sources and filling the blanks, such as summaries and plots. That's not my kind of thing. I was surprised no other user took the time to make a movie link, when Front of the Class was first announced. Especially since there's so much information out there now for Hallmark movies.

Your help is really appriciated. GiantTiger001 (talk) 07:47, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Ack! Thanks for the reminder that I was interrupted by Wikidrahmaz just as I was intending to expand that article from the sources. And thanks for getting the ball rolling. Regards, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:49, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Health related articles

Hi SandyGeorgia, I appreciate your concerns about the health related citations in the remarriage article, but I'm having trouble addressing them. Interestingly, much of the research on mental and physical health consequences of remarriage has been done by sociologists, so many of the secondary sources/reviews on health and remarriage are published in journals like The Journal of Marriage and Family, which are peer reviewed but not always included in PubMed, so they do not fit that criteria for wikipedia medical sources. Conversely, the primary sources that you tagged as potentially unreliable medical sources are in PubMed and have been cited 52, 94, and 143 times respectively. Also, given that this isn't a super popular, prolific area of research, a 10 year old source is old, but not necessarily outdated, because often there is not funding or motivation to replicate a meta-analysis when the original findings continue to be supported and cited relatively widely. In sum, I understand that the sources that I used are not ideal (I would of course prefer more recent articles, more reviews, etc) but I think they are among the best of what's out there on the topic and the citation counts indicate that the articles are accepted by the scientific community. I have been looking through the articles that cite these sources hoping to find secondary and more recent sources that fit the wiki medical source criteria but keep coming up dry, so I'm not sure what else I can do to show that the findings reported in the remarriage article are representative and accepted (I have additional primary sources I could cite that have similar, supporting findings, but that's about it...). To reiterate, I completely understand where you are coming from and think it's great that wikipedia holds itself to such high standards, but I'm finding it difficult to impossible to meet the standards that were written for biomedical research when I'm reporting research related to overall health and emotional wellbeing conducted though population surveys. Thoughts, suggestions? Thanks! Jmenkin (talk) 00:01, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Note to self: catch up on this one after Christmas, help Jmenkin understand how to use sources for health-related articles. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:17, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

My Sincere Wishes For This Festive Season

		★*★*★*★*★*★*★*★* Merry Christmas And Happy New Year 2012 *★*★*★*★*★*★*★*★
		I Wish You And Your Family A Merry Christmas And A Happy New Year 2012. May The New Year Bring Much Happiness, Prosperity, Peace, And Success In Your Life. I Am Very Happy To be Part of Wikipedia And To Have Great Friends Like You. Cheers. - From A Big Fan of ----> Jivesh1205 (Talk) 16:08, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Holiday wishes...

		Happy Holidays
		Wishing you and yours a Happy Holiday Season, from the horse and bishop person. May the year ahead be productive and troll-free. Ealdgyth - Talk 17:31, 21 December 2011 (UTC)Ealdgyth - Talk 17:25, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Christmas cheese

	Seasonal greetings and much happiness for 2012!
	Your work is much appreciated even if the word is not always spoken. Brianboulton (talk) 23:33, 21 December 2011 (UTC) (This historic image shows Brian, on the right, requesting a peer review from Malleus Fatuorum, on the left). The spirit of SandyGeorgia hovers between them.

Happy holidays

Sandy, I'll be thinking of you this holiday season. You've been a great inspiration to many many editors on Wikipedia; you should feel proud of your accomplishments here and that so often you are right (though sometimes it takes a while for people to get the message!). I'm sorry to find this message on your page but fully understand the reasons. The frustrations are huge and all to often overwhelming. Be well and best. Truthkeeper (talk) 22:22, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

I agree this isn't worth fuzzing about, we need to protect our most valuable article writers, and all this drama right or wrong is causing too much damage. Take a short break and come back refreshed. Secret ^account 04:55, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

Merry Christmas, Sandy! - Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 15:14, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

	Season's greetings and best wishes for 2012!
	Thanks for all you do here, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 21:49, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

• Merry Christmas. I hope that the holiday season is going well, and that the coming year is a good one for you. Cheers. :) MastCell ^Talk 23:06, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

	Season's greetings!
	I hope the holiday season is relaxing and fulfilling, and that 2012 will be fruitful for you. --John (talk) 00:19, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

	Merry Christmas
	And from me, a happy NSW Xmas bush Xmas from us all down here in Oz (damn, should have 5x expanded that for this Xmas...is there still time I wonder....) Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:25, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

	Love
	from Graham Colm (talk) 00:59, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

	Happy Holidays!
	Hope you and your family have an enjoyable holiday season. Keep in mind that no matter what frustrates you here, there will always be a dedicated core of congenial editors and writers that you can fall back on, eg. everyone above. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 01:21, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Season's tidings!

FWiW Bzuk (talk) 12:33, 25 December 2011 (UTC).

Happy holidays

		Happy holidays.
		Best wishes for joy and happiness. Hope you have a great one! Jonayo! Selena 4 ever 00:15, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

O How can I forget you?? Sorry for that may you have a wonderful holiday. Best, Jonayo! ^{Selena 4 ever} 06:26, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Happy New Year Sandy

Best Wishes for 2012, love from Graham Colm (talk) 00:00, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

...and a happy new year from me too! May 2012 bring more sanity to this place :) Geometry guy 00:07, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

...and a happy new year from me too! Glad to see you editing TS again. Wishing you and your TPS more content and less drama in 2012. Colin°^Talk 12:51, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Admiration

FAC loses a lot in losing you as a delegate, but I am full of admiration for the work you have done there, and for your dedication to Wikipedia in general. Your heartfelt desire to make the best positive impact you can in whatever way you can, in the face of the many challenges Wikipedia faces, is inspiring. Geometry guy 05:00, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

While we often disagree, I admire all of the work you do for the FA process and and Wikipedia in general. --Guerillero | My Talk 05:05, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Thank you Guerillero-- I don't remember often disagreeing with you (one of the benefits of age)! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:44, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

We're going to miss you, right now this could've come at a worst time. I'd rather resign with peace, but thus is not to be. Hopefully the quote on my talk page is a fluent transition. We'll miss you. :( Mitch32^{(Never support those who think in the box)} 05:08, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Have faith-- FAC is practically polluted with some of Wikipedia's best editors, and there will not be any problem. Thanks for the kind words! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:44, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

I was going to come offer some chocolate, but perhaps it's best to suggest the entire category, now that you've got more time to enjoy it. Thank you for your service. Nikkimaria (talk) 05:20, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Best. Idea. Ever! Thanks, Nikkimaria-- your work is an inspiration! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:44, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Whatever you do here is simply excellent. Losing you as an FAC delegate is undoubtedly a big and regretful loss. I don't know who will replace you but I can only hope that he/she will be as good as you. It's difficult to get someone better than you. As far as my opinion is concerned, you are Irreplaceable. Take care Sandy. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 06:10, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Thank you Jivesh! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:44, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

I will miss you dearly, Sandy. In the few direct interactions I have had with you, I found you provided me with excellent advice on how to proceed with nominations that had either stalled or failed. Your experience and dedication is second to none, and all of the time that you have put forth into FAC was time well spent, I believe. Wikipedia is far greater as a result of your dedication and effort. I wish you luck with the maintenance of all of of the medical articles. Take care. Melicans (talk, contributions) 06:41, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Melicans, most kind of you! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:44, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Sandy, you can never be replaced. I hope you will continue work on other aspects of the project. Hawkeye7 (talk) 06:43, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, Hawkeye7-- your kind words are most appreciated. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:44, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

• Call me weird, but I think this is good news for you. I personally would much rather be editing medical articles than arguing with folks who disrupt Wikipedia processes. So Congratulations! –OneLeafKnowsAutumn (talk) 06:56, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

• Whatdyamean, you don't think I'm going to be arguing with folks who disrupt Wikipedia processes on Venezuelan articles? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:45, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

• You are wierd, Leaf, but in this case you have it spot on. I've said it before, but Sandy, if you ever want a justification for your years as FAC delegate (for much of that time solo), just consider how far the standards for what makes a featured article have risen during your stewardship. If your career as a content creator matches your achievements as a delegate, Wikipedia has much to look forward to. FAC will survive, no doubt, hopefully building on your legacy. So, if in future you need a review, a copyedit or any such cooperation, please don't hesitate to contact me. Brianboulton (talk) 13:46, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

  Thank you Brian; you probably know I am awestruck by your prolific and excellent work. All the best, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:45, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Goddamn motherfucking cocksucking son of a bitch fuckface shit shit shit twatdiddling fuckdamn. --Moni3 (talk) 14:19, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

I'm gonna tell my better half you're making eyes at me! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:20, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

I've been biting my tongue for about a week, and unfortunately am very aware how this started and where it came from. I thought you've shown great fortitude in the face of intolerable hostility. You've dealt with it better than I could have any day - but I'm only a thinskinned wiki writer, you're the one who makes the hard decisions. Personally I'd like you to reconsider. I think being forced into something like this is a bad way to go, but if it's what you feel is right then grudgingly I'll tell you good luck. Truthkeeper (talk) 14:37, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the well wishes, I won't be reconsidering, but TK, I'd personally be pleased if we could keep the f'ing c comments off of FAC-- I don't think we need to get this mess tangled up with the Malleus case, as I've already seen allegations elsewhere that I resigned over the Malleus situation. Would you mind redacting that post at WT:FAC? Thank you for your support over the years. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:40, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for striking, TK-- appreciated. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:48, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

FWIW - I wasn't referring to Malleus at all. I'm very much to blame for this and have been feeling guilty about it for a long time. Time for me to go. Truthkeeper (talk) 14:54, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

No you're not to blame; there's a campaign under way, dirty politics and all, and no one of good faith could have been expected to have seen that back in November considering that FAC was previously free of such politics. Now, stop putting up wikibreak notices. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:00, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

I was used by a lot of people and I foolishly let myself. The result was "proof" of how bad and cliquish the FAC writers and by extension FAC is, leading up to this which was well-orchestrated. I don't suffer fools and can't forgive myself for having let that happen. The only excuse is that I had a lot going on IRL and wasn't totally hooked in. Truthkeeper (talk) 15:10, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Your excuse, TK, is the same as mine; when you have a clean conscience and pure mind, you just don't think that way, or imagine that others are capable of such advance orchestration. Now, I'd like for this tangential discussion to end ... I resigned because it was time.  :) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:12, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

I just wanted to add that the wikibreak had nothing to do with you or Malleus. I've just come through a truly terrible year that was capped off by a lot of unnecessary wiki drama at a time when I was stretched as thin as could be in real life. I should have taken a break a long time ago (had a page at FAC that kept me here) but I'm better now. My feeling about all of this is that we should be proud of our accomplishments, (let's face it, this is a hobby and should be a pleasant escape) and sometimes that perspective gets lost in all the noise, fwiw. Best, Truthkeeper (talk) 17:04, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

I was very pleased to see you and Graham on my watchlist in the new year editing your FAs keep them tip top. I'm so glad your edit on my talk page was "I'm back!" rather than "I'm gone!" even though you were announcing your resignation. My mind boggles to think how many (thousands of?) hours you must have spent on this over the four years. To commit that much time as an unpaid volunteer is amazing. Over 1400 promotions? That's a heck of a lot of judging consensus. Bravo! Colin°^Talk 15:11, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Colin, it's the privilege of working with excellent individuals (like you) that keeps me here-- hence, "I'm back"! It's 1,423 precisely-- well beyond the point I discussed with you years ago :) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:48, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

SandyGeorgia, adding my two cents of appreciation for your presence here. You're valuable to this site in whatever form you choose to contribute. Very best wishes for the new year, JNW (talk) 15:44, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, JNW; Happy New Year to you, too! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:07, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Sandy you are an amazingly good editor here - amazingly good, thanks for all of your hard work...Modernist (talk) 15:54, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks to you for same, and Happy New Year there. Best, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:07, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

SG, after our nice chat yesterday, I was really surprised to see this when I woke up. Given the timing, I suspect there is much more to this than medicine, but that's your business. Best wishes. PumpkinSky talk 16:25, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Let me know if you need help on the sapphire-- my time should settle down in a few weeks, but you're in good hands with Casliber. Best, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:07, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

I'm really sorry to see this. Your work at FAC has been perceptive, tactful and insistent - a set of qualities rarely combined. Gimmetoo (talk) 23:20, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Working with you was always a pleasure, Gimme. How about this? [1] SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:24, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Is that new stuff related to the 2006 mediation? Gimmetoo (talk) 18:42, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Not at all, just a re-appearance of an editor after a three-year absence right after I announced my intent to re-engage POV on Venezuela articles. It's been a nice break over there :) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:46, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Dear Sandy,

I have been shown in the files on the Military history Project a statement from a member of our current coordinator tranche that you are to be retiring from your position within the next 30 days. I understand how powerless we are in the face of these changing times on Wikipedia, and I know that all good things must eventually end, yet I can not refrain from posting here my admiration of your skills and conduct while you were working as an FAC delegate, nor the sorrow I feel as our community loses yet another skilled volunteer due to project apathy. In my eyes, you represent that which is greatest in us all, and I consider myself honored to have received your input on the articles I ran through FAC. Wherever you will go, and whatever you do, I wish you the best of luck and fortune, and pray that you always remain faithful to yourself and and your beliefs.

Your sincerely and respectfully,
TomStar81 (Talk) 10:05, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure how exactly to respond, but I do know this much: FAC has lost an extraordinary editor. Among all the turmoil that plagues Wikipedia from time to time, you have always been a rock, Sandy. Thanks for all that you've done, and give 'em hell. Dabomb87 (talk) 16:58, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Sandy, I always really respected and admired your work at FAC a lot. The rigour that you brought to the process has kept the level of new FAs very high. And thank you for your guidance during the FACs I was involved in. I'm sorry to see you leave your post as an FAC delegate. But I'm also happy for you that now you're going to have time to work on medical articles. I'm sure that's going to be great for you to just be free to do lots of fun editing without having to worry about the responsibilities of FAC. Good luck with all your future projects! Moisejp (talk) 05:24, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi. Happy New Year. I just wanted to thank you for all the great work you have done at FA over the years (and all the help you have given me), and I hope we get to work on some articles together soon. I hope you have been able to spend more time on writing that is enjoyable for you. All the best! -- Ssilvers (talk) 22:50, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

It's always good to see you around here again ... one is known by the company one keeps. Best, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:21, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Recent comments

Bleh my mistake, I didn't see the full history that went back months ago. I thought the recent attack on FAC by TCO and friends had slightly to do with the Malleus ArbCom case because of his involvement with FAC and the bullshit claims (which I heard from quite a number of users, including administrators who should know better) of "favoritism" in the FAC reviewing. Also I been a bit out of touch with the FAC community, as I never seen such drama in the FAC talk page, and this being discussed the same time as the Malleus case, it seemed like it was radical editors adding fuel to everything Malleus is involved with. We are here to build an serious encyclopedia first and foremost, and not drive away our best editors and article writers or attacking our policies and guidelines. Some users obviously don't seem to get the point and need to stop.

It's very sad to see you leave FAC, as you are the no nonsense editor this very important process needed, and you are among the best in reading consensus and understanding policies. Enjoy being a regular editor and I hope you still leave your feedback on certain FACs.

As for me I'm going to participate in FAC more often, including image reviewing and online source/fact checking (though not much in prose as that's a weakness). I couldn't in the past few years because of my poor health and my online spottiness but I have more time this year. Thanks Secret ^account 07:26, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

No problem at all, Secret: I just happen to be a TPS and didn't want the notion that I resigned over the Malleus situation to take hold. Malleus is a huge net positive at FAC. As to "favoritism" in FAC reviewing, cowards can say anything anywhere on the internet, but they rarely say those things out in public and open forums, where the truth gets dissected. I'm glad you'll be reviewing more often! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:52, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

For you

		The Barnstar of Diligence
		Awarded for your considerable service to Wikipedia, especially for your work at WP:FAC. Jezhotwells (talk) 16:01, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, it's most kind of you to think of me now. Best, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:07, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
		given with respect and admiration to SandyGeorgia for all your work on Wikipedia, especially that upholding standards and especially at WP:FAC. Yours, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 17:54, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

The respect and admiration is mutual, my dear fisch! There's a FAC delegate opening coming up I'm told :) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:08, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Alas PR would be at a loss without Ruhrfisch. You are both irreplaceable editors in everything you do. Geometry guy 00:36, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks.

It's been a while Sandy, but I'm sorry to see the recent FA circumstances. Anyway, I just want to thank you for all you've done in helping with The Texas Chain Saw Massacre FACs, even if it wasn't ultimately promoted for, like the 6th time? :) You were great in helping out the article.--Tærkast (Discuss) 17:59, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Thank you-- perseverance, you'll get there, I'm sure! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:09, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

I feel quite gutted by your decision; understand your reasoning; regret your decision; thank you for your hard and continuous work in that position; and, wish you well in your chosen areas of editing. If I am still editing in future, please feel free to request assistance over RS/N, citation, weight, or any other issues where you feel my help may improve the encyclopaedia. Fifelfoo (talk) 04:27, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Just a note

Sandy...we haven't always agreed of course, less so lately than I'd like. However, I have always appreciated your efforts in the past to do some copyediting on my FAC's and to provide a generally neutral assessment of my research and especially my admittedly mediocre quality prose. If indeed, as you have stated, we have a core topic area that is suffering with an influx of inaccurate data and your time would be better spent helping to correct that issue, then, as one who is primarily a researcher, I applaud your desires to refocus your energies towards helping ensure we maintain reliability and accuracy in our articles...I have always believed that such is far more important than prose, even in at the FA level, though I recognize that it is prose that is a determining factor (and should be) for any bronze star.--MONGO 18:51, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Mongo, do not pick on anyone's prose in my house, since mine is worse !! Thanks for the note, and best regards, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:11, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Improvement and translation of medical articles

Would love to see you come and join us here Wikipedia:MED/Translation_project :-) --Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 19:30, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Doc, it seems like a natural fit for my abilities (Spanish), but there is so much work to be done here on the en Wiki, and I don't actually support the notion of translating Wikipedia articles into other languages, since Wikipedia is not a reliable source. You have to read every source to write an accurate article in another language, and why should we do that when en Wiki itself has boatloads of articles that are dismal? There is work to be done in English before we start translating, and I hardly know where to start on the amount of work needed! That said, I also believe that anyone writing such important articles as medical articles from other-language sources should have translator level proficiency in a language. I'm fluent, but not at a level of being confident of medical translations on such a large scale. Since I'm a layperson, there are times I have a hard time parsing the English in highly technical sections of medical journal articles-- pretending I could do that without being a native Spanish speaker would be wrong. I do hope to just get my watchlist back and work more on our core English-language articles, which are deficient, finish my overhaul of TS, and move on to helping Colin with Epilepsy and writing some other articles we had long planned, as well as doing more to help with issues that come up on WT:MED, and keeping up with the student editing problem. Best, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:53, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

I wasn't planning on asking you to do the translation, Translators Without Borders, will be taking care of that part. I am hoping you can help with the improving of all the article to at least GA or FA in English before translation is considered by others. The thing with many languages such as Swahili is that there is almost no medical content at all in them as there are not enough rich people to warrant paid translation and the rich that their are already speak English, the same applies to Hindi and Nepali. There are basically no sources in those languages either, thus we need to rely on English sources. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 00:26, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Ah, that's a different story, and not something I'd be opposed to but my goodness: improving of all the article to at least GA or FA in English? I've been overhauling Tourette syndrome recently, and am reminded that medical FAs are a whole world apart from many other content areas. We have much more to read and process, much more to keep up with, and we can't just write them and be done-- they need constant tending. I can't imagine that we could aspire to a whole lot of medical FAs unless we had about 50 more medical editors working on them, similar for GA, and that doesn't mean student editors adding copyvios we have to revert. How can I help in that effort? Maybe at reviewing stage? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:30, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

The list for the first round of articles is here Book:Health_care. I assume that this effort will take three to five years. Have about 70-80 important articles here. I have managed to bring about ten to GA over the last couple of years and have made significant improvements to a bunch more. This is basically a list of our top importance articles tweaked a little bit. I have two at GAN right now Hepatitis C and Diabetes mellitus type 2. They could use a little more fleshing out I know but historical, societal and cultural aspects of diseases do not interest much. I am sure they could also us a good copy-editing even though some others have helped already.

Once they pass GA I am forwarding them to a professional company that has offered to translate to simple English for us for free. They are excited to be involved and are working on "dengue fever" right now. After this the articles will be double checked and reintegrated into simple English and than translated by TWR tens of thousands of volunteers. Wiki volunteers will finally reintegrate back into Wikipedia.

I am trying to get MastCell out of semi retirement :-), trying to push JFD into working on some of them, and then I am redirecting my effort here. Hopefully with you on board that will bring us up to four! That is only 15 articles each or 5 a year for three years... Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 01:04, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Resignation

I just saw. Sorry to see you leave, you were great in that role. At the same time I can see how it is a lot like herding cats and can be a bit much. Good luck, it will probably be more enjoyable to edit without the stress and headaches from FAC.--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 11:27, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

It pisses me off, this, and I haven't even been active at FAC for months. I'm still not entirely sure what happened either. Personally, I'm just waiting for everything to cool down and hoping that when that happens, you'll pick back up the mantle there. I most certainly never ragequitted from anything myself, only to join back soon after... Sven Manguard Wha? 13:37, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

I'm absolutely certain it's not a "ragequit", that wouldn't be Sandy's style. Malleus Fatuorum 17:48, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Bwaaaahaha ... nice concept, though! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:28, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Good for you :) You are/were a far better delegate than I ever was, but you deserve the break. Karanacs (talk) 17:05, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

And we at WP:MED are really looking forwards to you rejoining us. So much important work to be done.Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 18:32, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Hey

Just wanted to let you know that I've pinged you and I wish you all the best. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:53, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

From Portugal, with love

I think you gonna like this. And don't resignate of nothing, that is what they want. The trouble is that these guys came, I think, more or less all from vulgar genealogy sites, and they have all the respectiv defects.

Abraço, Saint George, also known by Jorge alo (talk) 09:37, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for the kindness, but whatever it is that I walked into, I am (thankfully) unaware of what is going on in the Portuguese and Brazilian suite of articles, what the agenda is, and what Elonka (talk · contribs), Durova (talk · contribs), Wehwalt (talk · contribs), The ed17 (talk · contribs) and a returning editor who has a history with most of them are all doing in there. I have no idea what it's about, I do not engage in off-Wiki dealings, I have no intention of getting involved, so there is no need to fill me in. Thank you for letting me know (someone) was after my resignation, but I resigned for my own reasons, and that would have made no difference. I appreciate the notice, but I'm sorry I'm unable to help in whatever is happening; this looks like Wikipedia's next battle zone-- to rival the Eastern Europe wars. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:51, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Don't worry about, this was just to let you know, and not to get you involved. The thing is not of particularly concern, and all will be quietly settled. My best wishes to the continuation of your excellent work, Jorge alo (talk) 13:17, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

• Found.
• Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Alarbus/Archive SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:30, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

I'm confused, why is my name alongside those three? Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 20:37, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

I don't know-- you closed that requested move on a Portugal article, Alarbus's first sock was Portuguese Man o' War (interesting name, then he created other socks, each targeting articles from different groups of FA writers), then the group supporting "Wehwalt for FA director" and wanting to politicize FAC suggested you should be FA director-- do you feel that this list puts you not in good company? I didn't put you there-- they did. Adam Cuerden (talk · contribs)/Shoemaker's Holiday (talk · contribs) has a historical basis for a grudge against Raul654 and me (disagreement over coding and layout of Featured sounds and list on mainpage, Talk:Main Page/Archive 157 which continued elsewhere), and there are some very interesting connections emerging here. Alarbus coded the blackout template-- cool (if you happen to support Wikipedia making a point in spite of being a massive host of copyright infringement). Sumbuddy needs to ask the right WP:CLEANSTART questions, and then ... find out who knew what, when.

Adam/Shoe cited Learned Hand; Alarbus et al cleaned up citations and sources when new account. Adam/Shoe and Wehwalt have a long-standing nexus on theatre/opera articles. Adam from UK; Alarbus mentions folks from US being puritanical. Adam/Shoe had a dispute with Durova, who shows up at MilHist about a Portuguese conflict (wha?) in the midst of all of this. And there's more ... but I digress ... the real question is, why did Alarbus create multiple socks, why is he behind "Wehwalt for FA director", and is he abiding by CLEANSTART or evading scrutiny to take on FAC after a dispute over Featured Lists and Sounds on the mainpage? I'd sure like to hear from The Rambling Man. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:56, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Me for FA director? That's a hoot! Any link?

I have no beef with any of the named editors, but being somewhat randomly named here made me curious (I'm not named in the link he gave, that I saw). I realized that Alarbus is some sort of returning editor awhile back, but really haven't had the inclination to enter into another drama-laden discussion. ;-) Why Durova's few edits are about a Portuguese conflict are intriguing. I'm familiar with the Durova/SH dispute, but not much more than that. I don't think they are the same person though? Unless I've missed something, which wouldn't be surprising. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 21:49, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Out of time, you can look for your name in here. Surprising? It's clear that Alarbus is a returning editor. It's clear that he used alternate accounts in a way that shows he knows CU, CLEANSTART and alternate account use well. It's clear that he knows coding. He has some most strange overlap with Shoe/Adam (including but not limited to Learned Hand, and the nexus with Wehwalt in theatre/opera articles). It's clear that his first sock was a Portuguese name, that something is going on in the Portuguese realm that led to this strange post to my talk and Durova's post to MilHist, and Alarbus's various socks edited different areas of different established FA writers. It's clear that he aligned himself with the TCO/Wehwalt FAC campaign. There's more, but I'm out of time for today. Question is, if an abuse of CLEANSTART is being used to disrupt FAC and further an agenda, why are we having an RFC when no one but Wehwalt, TCO, Alarbus and Lecen seem to think there's a problem (still waiting to hear from TRM, since he was involved in the initial mainpage dustup). SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:01, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Interesting reading here. After the first SPI I've always wondered about this conversation. But if Alarbus coded the SOPA blackout template, then it explains a lot. In my view FAC is being disrupted and has been for about a month, fwiw. Truthkeeper (talk) 22:39, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

If Alarbus coded the blackout template then he's no coder worthy of the name. That was just about the most amateurish and incompetent thing I've seen on the Internet for some time now. Malleus Fatuorum 23:14, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

I don't review enough articles to even dream about something like that. There are more people who have issues with the current system, though. I voted for an RfC because it will bring discussions on this to a halt, no matter the outcome – now that the cookie jar was opened, people would have continued taking the cookies until a definitive end point. As for Alarbus being a coder, I don't think so. It was my understanding that the WMF did it. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 00:19, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

It is soooo irritating when misinfo is spread on my talk :) Diffs, The ed, diffs ... check 'em. One of the wonders of Wikipedia is that, when people don't conduct campaigns off-Wiki, the evidence is there for you to see. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:22, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Why was the cookie jar opened? That's the issue. Other than Alarbus, and his alt accounts, I don't know anything about the other users but have to say the reading is interesting. Truthkeeper (talk) 00:43, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Just as a point of information, the SOPA blackout was implemented via javascript, not a template, and Alarbus evidently wrote {{Blackout}} in order to blackout his own user and user talk pages, not for anything else. Geometry guy 01:27, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Yes ... good enough :) And why "was" the cookie jar opened, anyway ... and how long ago? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:30, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't understand. For what is the "cookie jar" a metaphor here? Geometry guy 01:36, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

The ed17's post above, at 00:19, 20 January 2012. I don't know what he meant, but I believe that a campaign has been underway for several months (the "cookie" being the perception some have that Raul's job is powerful-- which is frightful, since he's never used the job that way). Featured Lists and Sounds and Pictures wanted mainpage space; Raul and I opposed it based on design/layout issues (it was awkward)-- not the concept (we supported the concept, but the layout was poorly designed, and it seems that kerfuffle continued long after we stopped paying attention). Now it appears that feathers were ruffled. And "Papers" looking at "data" were written, The Signpost got on board-- and voila-- a campaign to toss out Raul and politicize FAC was born. I've got a pretty good idea what the Portuguese connection is/was, but unless one of them decides to tell me, I can only guess. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 03:21, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Heh, using a metaphor was a bad choice. My apologies. All I meant was that once the subject was broached and received attention, it will need a definitive conclusion before fading away. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 03:33, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

With The Signpost feeding it, that's true. How often do you see less than a handful of people get this much attention? And bring FAC and WP:TFA/R to a standstill, to boot! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 03:39, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Uh, quite often. This is Wikipedia, m'dear. People who like to type loudly and often (e.g. people who write awesome literature articles but disrupt every other place) get all the attention. :-) Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 03:44, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

I guess that's the way the cookie crumbles. Thanks for the clarifications. Geometry guy 21:24, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, unfortunately. Now I have a bad feeling that we're going to make cookie metaphors at each other if/when we cross paths in the future... ;-) Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 21:31, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Resilient Barnstar
	For all your hard work on FAC, you definitely deserve more than this, but presenting you with this barnstar is the least I can do. Remember (talk) 14:13, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks

for all your work on FAC, good luck on the medical articles Tom B (talk) 17:54, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Definite maximum article size?

In the discussion about Elvis Presley as TFA you wrote that it is too long. I agree that articles should not be too long. Would you be for a definite ceiling as FA criterion? My main interest here is (of course) that I think it would take less effort to write and maintain a shorter text. But as you say, there is also the aspect that more text and images waste the time of the person waiting for them to load. There is also the server and data transport costs for Wikimedia. My intuition is that on average people read a very small percentage of the longest articles (per download). --Ettrig (talk) 19:59, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

I'm trying to get out the door-- I suggest you search the FAC talk archives (there's a button for that somewhere in there) for the lengthy discussions of same. It's not up to delegates or director to decide that-- it's a consensus matter, and it's different case-by-case ... depends on the article. In many cases (like Presley), my personal opinion is that it's clear that summary style can be better used, but precisely the reason that writers don't use summary style more is your page view argument-- they're afraid editors won't click on daughter artices, so they try to cram everything into the main article. It's another reason I'm against this page view meme ... your arguments above are good and right IMO, but the page view thing is why editors don't use a more appropriate summary style. Sorry for the fast answer, I really need to get out the door here :) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:04, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Interesting and quick answer, yet you apologize. I really wish I (we?, Wikipedia) knew more about what the readers normally do. My intuition is that in most cases they look at the first few sentences and the top image, then move on to something else. If this is true, there is no point in cramming more into an already long article. To a cost, Wikipedia could study this by studying where, and after how long readers click in articles. --Ettrig (talk) 05:55, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

I think you're right, Ettrig. Speaking for myself, I'll review articles of any length if they are in an area that I'm interested in, otherwise length is a definite factor in selecting what else I review. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 17:49, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Someone to take care of prose

Hey Sandy I am hopeless when it comes to prose. Wondering if you knew of someone who could help me here at the GAN for Hepatitis C http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hepatitis_C/GA1#GA_Review

Thanks Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 00:43, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Milhist FA, A-Class and Peer Reviews Oct-Dec 2011

		The Content Review Medal of Merit
		By order of the Military history WikiProject coordinators, for your devoted contributions to the WikiProject's Peer, A-Class and Featured article reviews for the period October–December 2011, I am delighted to award you the Content Review Medal. Buggie111 (talk) 17:29, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Thank you!

Sorry to hear about all the frustrations at FAC, with the state of medical articles and all. :( I can't thank you enough for your contributions in keeping the FAC process going and raising the quality. I hope to get back to doing more FA writing and reviewing at some point. I am also curious and hopeful efforts like WP Medicine Translation Task force (80 articles to GA or FA) can be helpful, though not sure what I can personally do to help with that. All the best. --Aude (talk) 04:14, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Something

I'm mulling over a potential dispatch on FPOC writing. In the meantime perhaps you could tell me how close Hawaii hotspot looks to sticking (round four sometime in the future). Cheers, ResMar 02:16, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

What is FPOC? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 03:40, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Featured Portals. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.164.243.154 (talk) 03:46, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Si. ResMar 03:00, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

I took a stab at a Dispatch. It's not nearly finished, as the bulk of it remains to be written (what's there right now is just some introductory material), but I feel as though we can get this published in the next week's Signpost. I'm hoping a Dispatch could help users get used to writing Featured portals, and perhaps draw some more attention to the process. ResMar 04:44, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

ResMar, what do you mean by "next week"? I don't know what their publishing deadlines are any more, what day of the week-- and don't like to rush things. I can have a look, work on it, but don't want to be working towards a Monday deadline, if that's their current deadline. Will glance at the HotSpot if I get a chance in the next few days ... SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:58, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

By next week I was referring to 1/30/2012. I want Cirt to do something with it first, he's "most experienced portalmongerer". ResMar 14:16, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Peer review for Pope John Paul II

Hi Sandy, I was wondering whether you'd be interested in this? Kind Regards -- Marek.69 ^talk 19:23, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Tay–Sachs disease

Hi, so as you have de-promoted and re-promoted the article, you might want to have a look at the talk page for a request to promote the article to A class again. ~~Ebe123~~ → report on my contribs. 20:57, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks!

		Thanks for helping
		Thanks for your help getting W. E. B. Du Bois promoted to FA status. He was a great man, and deserves a great article. --Noleander (talk) 03:06, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Wondering

I was just wondering if there was anything that was preventing Turning Point (2008) from being promoted? Judging from the review pages, it seems to be ready to promote.--WillC 09:29, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

See Sandy's query at the bottom of the page. Also, a quick look at the page shows some prose issues—for example, the last paragraph of the lead repeats the word "event" four times. Ucucha (talk) 14:13, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

First I've heard of the source issues, none of the reviews have made any mention of problems with the sources. I explained reliability at the subpage. Of course it mentions event, it was an event. It wasn't a tv show, a movie, etc. It was an event. What else would be used? Reviewers haven't seemed to had an issue with that after 3 separate reviews this time around and 3 or 4 in the past.--WillC 16:35, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

I see you're now discussing the source issue with Sandy. As for the prose, it was of course an event, but good writing avoids repetition. It was not only an event, but perhaps also a show, a performance, a competition, or whatever else you can come up with. Ucucha (talk) 19:43, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

This series of edits is a great improvement, much less repetitive. Ucucha (talk) 19:48, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Alright, did some digging in the article regarding the WrestleView situation, made some edits. I believe the sourcing issue is solved. The article relies on Slam, Wrestling Observer, and PW Torch now. Any WrestleView sources left handle extremely not controversial information that logically would be accurate and taken at good faith. Used in much the same way as they were in Lockdown 08.--WillC 07:56, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Special Barnstar
	Thanks for all the help with Poppy Meadow! MayhemMario 20:39, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

source checking

So how much source checking do you what before you check it out? LittleJerry (talk) 20:01, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

I left samples from two sources only of how to spotcheck sources, results unclear to me, and I'm hoping another reviewer will come along and do the job. It's listed at WT:FAC as needing a spotcheck.[2] SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:34, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Kolkata edits by citation bot

The citation bot that was run in Kolkata inserted the following in several citations : ref=harv|postscript=!-- Bot inserted parameter. Either remove it; or change its value to "." for the cite to end in a ".", as necessary. --{{inconsistent citations}}}}

What does this mean? How to correct this? Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 03:54, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Ack, I *hate* those bot-activated citation corrections. OK, here's what it means. Some citation styles have a trailing period, others don't. We either change the value to "." if we want all citations to have ending punctuation for consistency, or we delete the postscript parameter. I'll go have a look. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 04:00, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

OK, all of the other citations there have ending puncutation, so we have to add a period to all of the bot-inserted stuff, and make sure citations all consistently end in a period. [3] SandyGeorgia (Talk) 04:01, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Understood :) Thank you. Working on the refs, gradually. Will work on demographic section as well, and update the numbers in the lead, as needed. Thanks for the thorough scrutiny. Bye the way, how are you?--Dwaipayan (talk) 04:30, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Just great-- haven't seen you in a long time! Are you still at UConn? I thought of you when I had to take my father their a few years ago to see a specialist. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 04:31, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Yes I am in UConn. Completed my residency in Internal Medicine, and doing fellowship in Geriatrics. Are you from the area (need not answer if too private info for wikipedia).--Dwaipayan (talk) 05:24, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Please go ahead on Kolkata (Inuse tag). --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 17:45, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

RichardMills1965

I gave him IPBE. Despite having only opened the account a week ago, he seems to have amassed enough productive edits, and this is just easier than trying to figure out a way through the rangeblock. Daniel Case (talk) 04:44, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Alexander technique

The article about the Alexander technique (about improving movement efficacy and relieving pain through better posture) needs work. It combines a lot of true-believerism and a smattering of reference to scientific studies.  Kiefer.Wolfowitz 15:56, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

I corrected the one medical statement to a secondary review, but I don't find it as awful as many articles making medical statements. AT is taught in every pre-professional, professional and University-level performing arts program-- it's not quackery, and the medical text that was there was poorly sourced, but I have now sourced it to a MEDRS-compliant secondary review. The article needs citation, but it rings accurate based on my knowledge of AT. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:29, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your great changes to Alexander Technique. Professional editing made a difficult article much better. I didn't know it was so widely taught. Bellagio99 (talk) 22:37, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Well, it might not be accurate for me to say it's taught in every program (how do I know that for sure), but it is taught in every program I'm familiar with-- which is quite a few. If someone could add citations to that article, it would be greatly enhanced :) :) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:39, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Source spot-checking

What are the requirements for source spot-checking and is this something anyone can help with? If I review an FA, what proportion of citations should I check for it to be considered properly spot-checked? How much information should I then post to the FAC page? SpinningSpark 11:31, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for asking, Spinning-- this is the kind of question that would get broader attention at WT:FAC, and whose response belongs in FAC archives, not on my talk. Would you mind asking over there so the community can work on a comprehensive response-- it's the sort of thing that eventually belongs in an FA Newsletter-- not buried on my talk. Best, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:15, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Don't mind - done it.SpinningSpark 17:00, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Asperger's

Hi SG. May we discuss your recent revert?

Personally, I think that the portal at the start of the References section looks a little odd. Usually it's in the See also section if one exists, I understand. Moreover, having it in the Refs section means each of the 200 lines that follow it are squashed to the left. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trafford09 (talk • contribs) 19:24, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Hence, why not have a See also section? I'm aware some may view having a See also section as a slight on the quality of an article, but that's not a view I subscribe to much.

Now, isn't the idea of a See also section to bring to the reader's attention articles which relate to the article, but weren't mentioned on the page itself? I'd argue that a percentage of readers of the AS page may wish to follow the lead to the 2 articles I included.

You say there there are scores of books on AS. That may well be so, but there is just one notable enough to have its own WP article, with AS in its title. Unless there's a deluge of books being added, I think that the one book does some good - to a percentage of readers.

I'd be interested to read your views, though.

BTW, which part of Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Medicine-related articles did I not adhere to?

Best wishes, Trafford09 (talk) 19:16, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry I missed this post while I was archiving yesterday, but these questions are better raised on article talk. All too often, I find by responding on my talk instead of article talk, issues aren't resolved according to broader consensus. I'll post an explanation over there. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:47, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Noteworthy FARC reviewing

		The India Barnstar
		Given to SandyGeorgia for your hard work reviewing Kolkata FARC, given now independent of the outcome. AshLin (talk) 05:20, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Request for comments on an article?

I can tell you are busy, but I’m looking for someone who has a better critical eye than I have, and you are my first choice.

I ran into User:Beebuk a year and a half ago, when he was working on some articles as a new editor, and running into some challenges from other editors. He specializes in pantomine related topics, an area I know very little about. (And I’m not presuming you do have or do not have expertise in this area, I’m looking for your expertise as an editor)

He recently asked me to take a look at Pedrolino. I’m happy to note that he is well beyond the basics, so I am struggling to be helpful. I offered some comments at Comments_on_Pedrolino, but I realize I need the big guns. If you could find the time to make a few comments, it would be appreciated.

As an aside, I plan to work on bringing some articles to GA and FA eventually, but in my area of interest, the low-hanging fruit is still ungathered, so I confess to lack of knowledge of those areas. That said, I’m surprised to see Pedrolino as start class, and Charles Deburau as C class. I wonder what I’m missing, as both articles seem well written to me.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 15:44, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Question on comment in Kolkata

While the city's name has always been pronounced "Kolkatā" or "Kolikatā" in Bengali, (I don't know how to fix this, but these spellings give us no idea of the pronunciation they reference)...

Do you suggest IPA pronunciation should be given? How about audio files? Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 16:48, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

I'm really not sure, or I would have fixed it myself. The text references pronunciation, but folks like me have no idea what the local pronunciation is. So, either reference to pronunciation can be removed (rephrased somehow), or something needs to be added. I dunno how to fix it :) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:51, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Peer review/Ahalya/archive2

An comment at the PR reads: "Per SandyGeorgia at Kolkata, reference titles should either all be in sentence case, or they should all be in title case". Just wanted to clarify about this. The capitalization styles of books differs and at Ahalya, it is as printed. So should I change it? Any wiki-policy about this? --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 17:15, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

The capitalisation style within a Wikipedia article should be consistent, doesn't matter about the typography used on the book cover. After all, we don't insist on using the same typeface. Malleus Fatuorum 17:30, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Red, negotiating the ever-changing MOS pages is a full-time job-- could you please ping Tony1 (talk · contribs) and ask him where that text resides these days? Best, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:35, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Malleus and Sandy. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 17:46, 30 January 2012 (UTC)