User talk:Antandrus

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Paul Sartorius

Hi Antandrus, thanks for spotting the Grove pirates. I fixed this one and added a bit more.

Um, do you know your Austrian archdukes? A conundrum arouse for which I got stuck; it's on the talk page. Best wishes, Opus33 (talk) 17:12, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Hi Opus! After a bit of digging I think it's Max III; read his article. Grove must have it wrong. I wish I had a big book on the House of Habsburg but don't. Anyhow he was in the right place (Innsbruck) at the right time. Antandrus (talk) 02:42, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Oh, and this bit "...In 1595 he succeeded their uncle Ferdinand II, Archduke of Further Austria in his territories, including Tyrol, where he proved to be a solid proponent of the Counter-Reformation." would explain why he hired a composer of the Palestrina school rather than a progressive in the mold of Hans Leo Hassler. (But that's wiki-heresy since it's my original research!) Antandrus (talk) 02:45, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, Antandrus. I think you are right, but spotting two more references to Max II on Google books makes me cautious (are the sources citing each other, perpetuating an error?). So I just took out the link, pending further progress.

Your OR makes me nostalgic for the old days (ca. 2004) when we got to do this all the time. It took me a while to realize the virtues of the ban. Opus33 (talk) 15:43, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

New Page Triage engagement strategy released

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It's awesome to finally get to start work on this! :). Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 01:53, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

IP sock of Nachetelig?

• 108.82.100.8 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)
• Hi Antandrus, please refer to this trollish edit/edit summary, as the IP is stalking me again and labelling me as a vandal. Your advice? --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 18:38, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

IP blocked for obvious reasons. Acroterion (talk) 19:00, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

• Whoa~! That was fast... thanks heap~! --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 19:12, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Ah, thank you; I'm not very attentive today. With this particular troll (as I'm sure you remember) watch for suspicious behavior from sockpuppets (example), and don't bother to ask a checkuser -- this guy loves to show off how easily he can "fool" us. Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 20:01, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

• Well, all I can say is... as a child, he was abused~! Probably the reason why he is so anal about us two... eh? --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 20:09, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

FA status in Piano music of Gabriel Fauré

Does this article deserve FA status? Please see this discussion. Best wishes, Gidip (talk) 19:35, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Uncanny. I was, at the exact moment you left this message, reading your comments there.

Can't answer immediately; will require some looking. Antandrus (talk) 19:40, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Stars

This editor is a
Master Editor III
and is entitled to display this
Bufonite Editor Star.

Antandrus...you can self award this, but I wanted to give it to you anyway...I'm sorry if you're not having the fun you used to have...our best contributors such as you are oftentimes overlooked, ignored and unrecognized...but all around, you are arguably one of the finest Wikipedians...and I really do appreciate all your fine work!--MONGO 02:21, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you -- appreciate that! Antandrus (talk) 13:44, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Tridacna gigas, the man-eating clam

[/me is bent out of shape with envy of the handsome star, not to mention the pizza slice just below :] But Antandrus is appreciated, quite beyond his deserts I'm afraid! When do *I* get a barnstar for my selfless work to keep wikipedians aware of their failings and teach everybody a lesson? Whereas Antandrus… can people even see his silly subpage User:Antandrus/observations on Wikipedia behavior without {{insert instance of obsequious carry-on about how bloody marvellous it is}}? No they cannot! While my keen and forthright observations and useful wikignoming lie disregarded!! Bite!!! darwinbish ^BITE 14:58, 5 April 2012 (UTC).

Well you obviously need adminship for at least ten million years, which is but a middling geologic time period. (Was that a cousin I found when I was taking photographs for the article I wrote on the Espada Formation?) I also owe you a pizza, but are they eatable to Darwinbishes, unless already inside tasty Wikipedians? Antandrus (talk) 01:06, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

A man-eating clam, was it? [/me considers creating a cool Tridacna gigas sock. The notion restores her good humour. ] Since I can swallow full-size users whole, as you know, and can also tunnel around inside a cupcake to eat the chocolate chips,[1] I should think there's little that's not eatable to me. Just as long as it's gourmet quality of its kind! The pizza slice looks very good. [Reproachfully :] Whereas the user I tried really wasn't. darwinbish ^BITE 14:43, 6 April 2012 (UTC).

MONGOS eat giant man eating clams since MONGOS are not men...we are "quatches"...far bigger, smellier and more poorly tempered than any men....MONGO 15:21, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Happy First Edit Day

Happy First Edit Day, Antandrus, from the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Have a great day! Armbrust, B.Ed. Let's talkabout my edits? 20:48, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you -- yep, eight years. When I first started editing there were no references, no footnotes, no categories, and this was the article featured on the main page that day. Wow -- that's a long time ago. Antandrus (talk) 23:43, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Those platypi platypodes platypuses have been around a long time. Even longer than 8 years, hard as that is to believe. Like us other dinosaurs, they just keep on keeping on. Long may it continue.  :) -- Jack of Oz ^{[your turn]} 01:50, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Best wishes from a younger living fossil. (Younger than the platypus, I mean, in case you or JackofOz think I was being rude.) I, too, remember when it was fun. During a personal Wikipedia renunciation, which you may remember helping me through, this was among the wisest perspectives it was ever my privilege to receive. I really believe the Wikipedia pioneers like you have shaped the world for the better by continuing to show us the way. --RobertG ♬ talk 21:58, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Ah, yes: I remember that well. Too well, as I've thought about it many times since, and assumed that I'd have a similar experience if I joined again as a "newbie".

Anyhow, thanks guys -- I've so far resisted the temptation to clear my watchlist. I'm still editing, I just don't have much enthusiasm at present. It may return. (More and more I check my watchlist to see that content I added six, seven years ago is either being tag-bombed, or just removed, for lacking footnotes -- and to provide them I'd have to go back to the library and check out a book again -- ach, the weariness of it.) The project has evolved. Adding slabs of new content isn't as easy as it was in those early years, and we all know that. There's still more to write (thanks Jack for the help with Obukhov last year) and plenty to make better, but it seems that ninety percent of all activity on the Wiki is people running about with rubber stamps, tweezers, or insecticide cans. And it's really become rather unfriendly. How quaint the idea of "Wikilove" now seems, in our current civility-optional environment. I don't think this is tragic or anything, we're watching the evolution of something which has never existed before. If you step back and look at the encyclopedia we all built, it isn't bad.

Not only isn't it bad, but everyone uses it. It gives me a little thrill when I hear a radio announcer quote from an article I wrote. Has that happened to any of you yet? Our time here wasn't wasted. And isn't, if we carry on. Antandrus (talk) 02:29, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Oh yes, I've often heard announcers quoting verbatim huge bleeding chunks of articles I started. Never any acknowledgment, mind you, but that's not what drives me. The fact that a particular sentence that took me weeks or months of neurotic and obdurate tweaking to get just exactly right is being read and being seen as good enough to be used and disseminated to the wider listening public, is what makes my day.

I encourage you to shake off your disheartenment, Antandrus. The world at large has become a dangerous and insecure place, but there are places we can choose to live where we can be happy going about our daily activities and spreading our love to whomsoever we happen to encounter. Don't characterise the whole vast project as one thing or another thing, because nobody knows all of it and it just keeps on getting bigger. Just live in those parts of WP where you can make the daily differences for which you are rightly renowned, and which make you happy. Forget the rest. Unless you get back, not just as much as you put in, but actually more than you put in, you will burn yourself out. Being of service is not a duty we are obliged to shoulder, but a joy we choose to deserve. -- ♬ Jack of Oz ♬ ^{[your turn]} 03:03, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

A year or so ago I had the interesting experience of reviewing a journal submission that plagiarized (as opposed to cited) a few Wikipedia articles to which I had been a major contributor. Guess I should have been flattered, but still...

Anyway, I share the feeling that the joy has gone out of this place. The main issue as I see it is that Wikipedia is not coming to terms with the fact that it is a maturing project. Most of the articles that most people care about have already been written, and most of those are pretty decent. So there are fewer opportunities for the everyday Joe to contribute. The project has also accreted its own bureaucracy with goals and priorities that do not necessarily coincide with those of the people on the line doing the actual work. I could go on but you've heard the song before. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 04:18, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

(outdent) You made me wonder... and this is the featured article on the day of my first edit as a registered editor. KillerChihuahua^?!? 05:38, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Indeed -- here's the actual version as it appeared on the main page. Antandrus (talk) 14:32, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Happy Adminship Anniversary

Wishing Antandrus a very happy adminship anniversary on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Armbrust, B.Ed. ^{Let's talk}_{about my edits?} 00:21, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Message

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Natalia Pushkina

Would you mind commenting on this edit? There seems to be a lot of confusion all over the place. I don't know about such things. Thanks Span (talk) 14:48, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Greetings -- I believe the anon is correct. If the 8 September date is accurate, in the 19th century one gets the Julian from the Gregorian by subtracting 12 days from the Gregorian calendar date. (See Gregorian_calendar#Difference_between_Gregorian_and_Julian_calendar_dates.) It gets confusing when someone's lifespan crosses the century line, like Rachmaninoff, but with Natalia Pushkina it should be clear. Antandrus (talk) 14:59, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. Would you say a footnote is in order as these things get reverted regularly? Span (talk) 15:02, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Probably that would work. Another way is an inline caution such as <!-- old style date in the 19th century was 12 days before the new style date --> -- that works if we don't want to bother the reader, but just remind editors who may think the difference is 13 days. Antandrus (talk) 15:06, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Will do. Thanks for the advice. Span (talk) 15:20, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Just commenting on the Rachmaninoff-type issue. There really should be no confusion. A person was born whenever they were born, and that doesn't change just because their life continues into the next century. There is a rule for converting Julian dates that occurred in the 19th century, which is to add 12 days to get to Gregorian. That rule applies to Rachmaninoff, born 20 March 1873 Julian = 1 April 1873 Gregorian. There is another rule for converting Julian dates that occurred in the 20th century, which is to add 13 days to get to Gregorian. That rule does not apply to Rachmaninoff, because he wasn't born in the 20th century. He gets the 19th-century 12-day rule.

I'm aware that various people have taken the view that the date should change when the centuries change. Rachmaninoff himself apparently celebrated his own birthday on 2 April (which would have been the correct date had he been born in the 20th century, except he wasn't) and that date also appears on his grave. But that date is simply wrong. Vladimir Nabokov was another case in point. He was born 10 April 1899 Julian = 22 April 1899 Gregorian. His birth date was often shown as 23 April 1899 in references published in the 20th century, so in Speak, Memory he went to the trouble of explaining why 23 April was wrong and 22 April was correct. This was despite the fact that he had deliberately celebrated it on 23 April and would continue to do so, because that meant he shared his birthday with William Shakespeare - except that's rubbish as we don't know when Willy boy was born at all. All we have is a baptism date. I'm surprised Nabokov didn't know that. -- ♬ Jack of Oz ♬ ^{[your turn]} 23:43, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks -- I actually didn't know the conversion rule until I read about it to answer Span's question. Learned something new! (Which is, by the way, one of the things I love so much about Wikipedia.) Antandrus (talk) 23:54, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Ah yes, you spend most of your time in the Renaissance/Baroque period. But even so, the Gregorian calendar was instituted in October 1582 in Italy, Poland, Spain and Portugal, but not elsewhere till later, so it would be relevant to biogs of people born or died in the period spanning that date. Given that Russia didn't adopt it till 1918 and Greece not till 1923 (!), it's a subject that anyone writing about the dim past ought to be aware of, because it can get confusing when comparing sources that use different calendars for the same subjects. -- ♬ Jack of Oz ♬ ^{[your turn]} 00:07, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

You're mentioned

Hi! You are mentioned in a post that will run on the Wikimedia Foundation blog this week describing some of the editors who signed up for HighBeam accounts and their motivations for doing so. I just wanted to let you know. If you'd rather not be mentioned, please respond below or on my talk page. Cheers, Ocaasi ^{t | c} 18:41, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you -- appreciate your help with the Highbeam access! (I hope JSTOR is feeling generous enough to allow a bunch of us admittance to their database as well; I got there from the link on your talk page.) Antandrus (talk) 21:34, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

You have no sense of fun

Inherently funny topics should have funny articles, no ? --ERIC CARTMAN IS THE BOSS (talk) 01:09, 11 April 2012 (UTC) WHY YOU NO ANSWER ?!!!!!

On another website, yes. If you step back and think about it for a moment, it should become obvious that such a thing is impossible here. You have to cite what you add. What you add has to be factual. This isn't a joke site; we are a repository of knowledge, not nonsense. If you went to a bank and instead of getting money from a teller, you got Monopoly money, and the tellers all laughed at you and shoved you out the door, would you be thankful to the bank for being a funny place rather than an entirely serious one? Antandrus (talk) 01:13, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Ok, I get that. But no-one really needs to find out about mixed gender pre-wedding parties from Wikipedia. It's a retarded topic to have an article about, and it should be a funny article. It's already funny, talks about "getting shoved on the pavement" as a British activity. Why can't I make it better ?

Also, I might just ban you. --ERIC CARTMAN IS THE BOSS (talk) 02:23, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

• Is that a threat? For your sake, I'd hope not because depending on your next statement, it could well be your last here on Wikipedia. --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 10:00, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

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Got it -- thank you!! I appreciate this a lot. I've been wanting to be writing again ... Antandrus (talk) 21:26, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

parade magazine

hi, do you think this website (Parade (magazine)) would be a reliable source to add to List of modern dictators as a reference to the term "dictator"? you can see my edits of the page on its history. --58.165.38.201 (talk) 23:11, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Personally I would avoid Parade just because it has a tabloidesque reputation. I think it should be easy to find a reliable source that describes him as a dictator -- what else could he be? -- How about Foreign Policy Magazine (published by the Washington Post)? That's where Parade got their list anyway. Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 23:36, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Here's a piece in the New York Times that describes Raul as a dictator (in the same line with Fidel). I'm sure there's more out there. Good luck, Antandrus (talk) 23:42, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

your sources are great, i have used them. thank you. --58.165.38.201 (talk) 05:02, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Rami Bar-Niv

This embarrassing piece of PR fluff is causing me new white hairs. I rewrote the article so it would be acceptable, but the editors involved (three, all of whom have done nothing but edit this article and add references to Bar-Niv in other articles) have taken deep umbrage. Now someone has anonymously restored the original claptrap.

Perhaps if you were to revert them, they would understand that it is not just me that finds this stuff inappropriate. Thanks, --Ravpapa (talk) 05:17, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

I tend to agree. At least he's trying to cite. The sockpuppet is obvious. These are painful cases, because it always feels like a personal affront to have one's own article trimmed, but people need to understand that Wikipedia isn't a free promotional tool. Mr. Bar-Niv, I imagine you will be reading this too -- please have a look at our conflict of interest guidelines. It's much better to let other people write articles about you, providing input on the talk page as needed. Thanks, Antandrus (talk) 05:32, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Reply to Antandrus Who is "he" in "At least he's trying to cite"? The false sockpuppet accusation was dismissed by Wiki investigators before you wrote the following: "The sockpuppet is obvious". You should be more careful with how fast and how blindly you agree with your friend ravpapa. I am beyond needing Wiki for my promotion, it won't add a penny to my pay, nor will it give me extra engagements which I can't oblige anyway. Yes, I am reading this too. I do and did let other people write articles about me, etc. I didn't initiate the article, nor was I involved in its preparation. Once it was published (I take it, with the consent of one of the experienced Wiki editors), all I did was correcting mistakes and putting things in the right order and under the right subjects. TY Rami Bar-Niv Barniv (talk) 21:27, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

1) "He" is whoever is writing the article. The author(s) (I believe there are two separate people) is attempting to cite according to our guidelines, which is good.

2) Sockpuppet investigations cannot prove much of anything, they can only suggest. I use my experience. "Magazine" and you appear to be the same person. Doesn't matter much, honestly, since you're editing the same article, and this policy applies whether it's one person or two.

3) Ravpapa asked for my help and I provided an opinion. If you think we are being unfair, start a section at the conflict of interest noticeboard to solicit a third opinion. Thank you, Antandrus (talk) 21:52, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Please listen to me and let me be clear about this. I am not anonymous, I am the author of the Rami Bar-Niv wikipedia page! My work on Rami Bar Niv is not an embarrassing piece of fluff. Everything that is stated in the article is verifiable, and supported by the long list of references. My work is not claptrap. Your reference to sockpuppet is obscene and is not obvious, at least not to some of your own investigators. I am on this effort because I want to be and either you help me or you don't, but I certainly don't want you to get any more white hairs. I have no conflict of interest and everything has to go through me. So, Antandrus and Ravpappa, do we go forward or not? I am not using Wikipedia as a free promtional tool, and I will be the point of contact! I want my page restored. If you have questions, let me know. If you want to talk to personally, I can provide my phone number here in San Jose, California and my home address.

Thank you , Joseph De AlejandroJoseph10741 (talk) 06:09, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

WP:BLP. Everything needs an absolutely reliable source, and needs to conform to WP:NPOV.

Another suggestion for all concerned: post at the conflict of interest noticeboard to get an unbiased set of eyes, if you want another opinion. To my eye -- and I've been around a long time and have seen a lot of articles on living people written by themselves or their friends -- the article has a strongly promotional tone, unlike what one would expect to find in an encyclopedia. The way forward is to write neutrally and briefly, citing major news outlets and peer-reviewed sources. Hope this helps, Antandrus (talk) 14:28, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

ANI

As a courtesy, I'm informing you that I mentioned you at ANI, where I criticised your edit to Template talk:Infobox classical composer. I hope that on reflection, you might agree with me that a more accurate summary of the closing admin's subsequent comments was indeed possible. --RexxS (talk) 18:53, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Your revision is fine. However, I do need to point out that I only made a single edit, which does not constitute edit warring; and the summation Andy objected to, while perhaps not the reason for the admin's action, is a fair summation of what actually happened (a TFD nomination with no notification of the Wikiproject that created the template).

Yes, I am showing some frustration with a long-term disruptive editor. I appreciate your efforts to find a diplomatic solution for this. I want Andy to start treating his colleagues collegially, and I have mentioned this at least twice. Antandrus (talk) 19:10, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your understanding, and I apologise for giving the impression that I was accusing you of edit-warring. All too often, I fail to express myself as accurately as I wished. It would be an excellent outcome if Andy were able to get on with doing what he's really good at, and could step away from these sort of confrontations. For what it's worth, having met Andy in real life, I found him remarkably genial and good-natured. I hope that with goodwill all round, he can get past these present difficulties. Cheers, --RexxS (talk) 19:56, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Precious

	broad perspective
	Thank you for placing a single composer in the context of Renaissance music, a single mass in the context of parody mass, and for watching a vast number of articles for accuracy, with a vision for the broader pespective, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:16, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, Gerda. Appreciate it! Antandrus (talk) 14:07, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for having my back on this article [2] turns out User:Tyros1972 gave me a warning on my talk page :/ . Whatever I'm just going to lol the whole thing off hopefully. Dan653 (talk) 01:35, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Made me laugh too. Famous piece of Japanese pornography; I did a little bit digging on the internet to find other translations, but that one's close. It's one of those cases where an overly-quick vandalism patroller might just look at a few of the words, decide it was vandalism, and issue a warning. (Interesting article -- read it if you haven't!) Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 01:37, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Holly Pic

Hi pal, I saw that you'd edited the Platform Holly page, and I have an aerial of it from 3/08 if you'd like to add one. Pretty good detail on the equipment above deck. Contact me via email, because I'm seldom on wiki lately. ciao Jw4nvc (talk)

A cookie for you!

Thanks for devandalising my user page!!! User: Adam mugliston has given you a cookie! Cookies promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. You can spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a cookie, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend.

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No problem -- appreciate the snack! Antandrus (talk) 14:59, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

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Cape Hatteras

Right . . . thank you for convincing me that Wikipedia is completely unreliable, I've already started to spread the word. (67.238.253.102 (talk) 01:29, 12 May 2012 (UTC))

"Reliable" for us is what reliable sources say, and if the National Park Service says it's a "Seashore", that's what we say. Please read the policy; that's what you've bumped into. Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 02:30, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

Another tollish IP sock..

• 173.0.254.229 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)
• Hey Antandrus, due to persistent WP:NPA, WP:NOTVAND, and WP:BATTLEGROUND from this IP. Could you take a look at this to decide if it would be best for me to stay out by not reverting and/or if any admin action is needed? Another thing, I'm stymied by his insistance of nicknaming another admin - EyeSerene (talk · contribs), as "Eyesore". A snide way of mocking at us, I gather, judging by the way he's trying to push his luck here, especially on the article page of Judge Judy. Thoughts? --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 00:13, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

I haven't studied it in depth, but it appears to be a case of a rather long-term IP editor who is angry at what they perceive to be unjustified reversions of their additions (I only looked at one example, so far, but it was clearly a good faith edit), and they're also angry because they feel people are ganging up on them. This kind of thing happens a lot, with a presumption the IP editor is in the wrong. 173 if you are reading this -- I presume you will -- my unsolicited advice would be to stop calling people names, take the issue to the talk page, politely, and work it out there. We're volunteers, we don't like being called names, and doing so is the most certain way to make sure it ends badly for you. Put yourself in our place. When someone treats you like you are treating EyeSerene ("eyesore") are you suddenly inclined to believe that the person is right? Do you automatically apologize to someone who starts bullying you? Or is your impulse to put a boot in their face? WP:CIVIL exists for a reason. Really. That's the way through. Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 00:31, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Oh, and Dave I'd recommend not reverting the IP's talk page -- that specific issue has come up at ANI and tends to be a tarpit. You can be sure 173 has read your messages, and anyone can get the "whois" info by clicking the links. Antandrus (talk) 00:32, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

• Well, that is why I came to you for advice first before I do anything stupid... More popcorn? --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 00:35, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Invitation

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NNU wrap-up time is May 30

Hello. There are still some articles at Wikipedia:School and university projects/NNU Class Project/Winter 2012/Student list that need moving to the mainspace. Some have rubbish references and could be AfDd, so best not move those. But many just need a bit of cleanup and a move. If you have time to do a few, we would be much obliged. Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 12:47, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Request for help concerning energy...

Hi,

I noticed you listed yourself as a participant of the Energy WikiProject.

There are 2 new outlines in this area that attempt to consolidate Wikipedia's coverage of their respective subjects, gathering and organizing the articles about them into one place and including descriptions for convenience. The purposes of these outlines are to make it easier for readers to survey or review a whole subject, and to choose from Wikipedia's many articles about it.

The new energy outlines are:

• Outline of solar energy
• Outline of wind energy

Please take a look at them, and....

if you spot missing topics, add them in.

if you can, improve the descriptions.

add missing descriptions.

show parent-offspring relationships (with indents).

fix errors.

For more information about the format and functions of outlines, see Wikipedia:Outlines.

Building outlines of existing material (such as Wikipedia) is called "reverse outlining". Reverse outlines are useful as a revision tool, for identifying gaps in coverage and for spotting poor structuring.

Revising a work with multiple articles (such as Wikipedia) is a little different than revising a paper. But the general principles are the same...

As you develop these outlines, you may notice things about the articles they organize. Like what topics are not adequately covered, better ways to structure and present the material, awkward titles, articles that need splitting, article sections lacking {{Main}} links, etc.

If you have any questions, please feel free to ask me on my talk page or at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Outlines.

Thank you. Sincerely, The Transhumanist 00:45, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

P.S.: see also Outline of energy

Excellent -- thank you for the note and invitation! Good idea to have such outlines. The first thing I notice is the absence of Outline of nuclear energy, Outline of geothermal energy, Outline of hydroelectric energy, Outline of biomass energy (better name?), Outline of tidal energy, Outline of coal power (I never hear it called "coal energy"), etc. Antandrus (talk) 03:24, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

New outline: what's missing?

See Outline of nuclear power.

I did my best, but I'm certain there is much missing. Please take a crack at it. The Transhumanist 03:28, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Bo Guagua

There's a new user adding original research to the Bo Guagua page. Not really sure what to do about him/her. See the most recent diff [3]. Among that is unsourced info and original research. I don't want to get into a weird edit war with some completely new user, or get them banned and scare them away from the project. Any suggestions? There should be a protocol for dealing with this situation. I've been here two years but haven't actually come across someone belligerently adding OR to a BLP. The Sound and the Fury (talk) 21:46, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

It's actually pretty common, though that level of belligerence is not. I saw that too (because I spotted the edit to your user page on recent changes, and checked to see what the anon was doing), but it was in the gray area where I wasn't certain. My impulse is to change the unacceptable section header and remove the Youtube link (we can't use those) -- but it's possible the entire section has to go. Looking at the talk page, I see there are multiple people vs. the IPv6. I think it should come out at the very least for talk page discussion. Antandrus (talk) 21:51, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

I'd love to see some data on how many hours were spent in aggregate on such discussions. The Sound and the Fury (talk) 21:55, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

It would be horrifying. Fighting off junk added to BLPs must amount to thousands, or tens of thousands of hours, over say a year. Antandrus (talk) 21:59, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

The anon warns me

STOP using lame excuse "original research", if any of those things are NOT facts, feel free to delete them. stop vandalizing the whole page! I challenge you to show me any of those "original research" are not FACTS. Go ahead, i will be waiting.

are you bo guagua's personal publicist? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:CC6B:6B90:953E:CF78:4C31:415F (talk) 22:30, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Such a strange username. I just noticed this one too:

2001:DA8:B000:6709:7D9D:1E7B:276:B263 (talk · contribs)

Anna Frodesiak (talk) 21:49, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Hi Anna. It's IPv6 which just went live last week. We'll be seeing a lot more of these. Antandrus (talk) 17:05, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Miscellaneous Violin purchase

Hi Antandrus. I saw your posts here and thought you could help me by responding to my post at Miscellaneous Violin purchase. -- JeffreyBillings (talk) 15:50, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Continued copyright violations and legal threats at Matt Goss

Hi, I noticed you are the one who blocked User:Changli1200. Based on past behaviour I believe he is a sock of User:Saint Artjunkie, but this is beside the problem. The same person has returned as User:Timsmith8976 and then User:90.211.75.73 with exactly the same edits, so they may both need to be blocked. The page may need to be semi-protected as well. --Muhandes (talk) 21:53, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, was away for the weekend. I blocked a couple of the most recent, and it appears another admin has protected the article. Antandrus (talk) 17:15, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Request to look at an idea regarding Baroque composers

Hi Antandrus:

Please look at the following:

• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:FeanorStar7/sandbox

Another user and I are discussing revamping the List of Baroque composers to use a tabular format (similar to List of Renaissance composers)

I would like your input. I believe it would help improve the structure of the list and help users more easily find information about various composers; more so than it does now.

Thanks,

FS7--FeanorStar7 (talk) 23:51, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Greetings! I think it's a great idea. All of those composer-list articles would benefit from such an upgrade. I've been wondering if we should routinely subtract 20 years from floruit dates for the purpose of sorting -- and state at the top of the list that we do this as a convenient generalization to allow sorting, not because we necessarily think a composer was probably born 20 years before their works start to appear in the record. That reminds me, there are still some bits of plagiarism in the List of Renaissance composers that need to be purged; something I've never gotten around to doing (some of the single-line descriptions were copied by a long-ago editor from hoasm.org, and I don't think I ever finished cleaning it up). Antandrus (talk) 00:31, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your input; I appreciate it.--FeanorStar7 (talk) 05:20, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Regarding the Piano Key Frequencies page

I guess I didn't realize that a guitar is a transposing instrument, sounding notes one octave lower than written. I've played guitar before, but it's been a long time ago. Being more of a violinist (6 years in middle school to high school) I was sure the D-string on a violin and D-string on a guitar were the same pitch. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.87.170.71 (talk) 19:10, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

No worries ... the pitches are written that way for convenience (otherwise it would be necessary either to use two staves, change clefs frequently, or use an unusual clef). Antandrus (talk) 19:15, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Need a second neutral party opinion

• Hi, can you please come over to "User talk:The Bushranger/Archive15#Question" and give your frank assessment? (FWIW, I've been accused as a vandal, a biter and a troll by anon IP editors for my action.) --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 01:28, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

• BTW, I found something really interesting (http://bewareofgarbagetrucks.com/wordpress/) and the first thing I read was about "The driver who accelerates when he sees your turn signal", that is something I can relate to (and on WP) because I've encountered the likes of such so called "garbage trucks" so many times that I've become zen to their ranting. Thoughts? --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 01:38, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Interesting, my internet security program blocked the "bewareofgarbagetrucks" page as soon as I tried to load it, with a stern warning that it was unsafe.

Personally, that user page doesn't bother me so much -- once the editor has done some good work on Wikipedia, no problem at all. It doesn't look outrageously promotional like some I've seen, that are straight up SPAM. The biggest risk I've seen with such pages is that people sometimes quietly move them into mainspace, thereby evading new page patrollers. Do we have a guideline somewhere telling people not to spend too much time on their user page until they've done some mainspace work? Antandrus (talk) 02:08, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

• Well, I did checked up his contribution history, 25 counts of which only 3 are to article pages (last active edit was 10 March 2012) and yet he calls himself an active Wikipedian. I find that ridiculous, really. --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 02:20, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Notice

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is User:Riyas202. Thank you. Jasper Deng (talk) 02:33, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Nucella, not Nutella

Nice occasionally to add something to the encyclopedia that belongs there and isn't in Grove: Nicolaus Ricii de Nucella Campli. Taking bets for how long before it gets a "needs image of composer" or "C-class stub" tag... :-) (btw, can you delete the sandbox page for me?) -- Michael Scott Cuthbert (talk) 15:58, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Alas, another manuscript lost in the Franco-Prussian war (I'm assuming an 1870 date on a fire in Strasbourg would be exactly that). Very fine little article! I'm sure it will get the "stub class" stamp by some tagging project (i.e. "Provides very little meaningful content; may be little more than a dictionary definition." see Wikipedia:WikiProject_Biography/Assessment#Quality_scale). But perhaps I'm being unduly cynical. -- I'll delete the sandbox page for you. Cheers! Antandrus (talk) 17:13, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. As always, "Michael Scott Cuthbert is skeptical."  :-) -- Michael Scott Cuthbert (talk) 20:22, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

And here we go! [4]. f'ing annoying.  :) -- Michael Scott Cuthbert (talk) 13:23, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Unfortunately we've become a giant bureaucracy, and you need the right rubber-stamp for the higher "grades" -- I'm trying my best to ignore the situation, but that's one of the things contributing to my current lack of enthusiasm here. Congratulations on making the main page though! I wish the hook said "in the Franco-Prussian war" rather than "in 1870" (pretty sure that happened in the shelling of Strasbourg; I encountered another manuscript destroyed then). I notice that you've already got support on the talk page to changing the rating (thank you Deskford). Should be A-class, but I'm not sure the project uses them. Antandrus (talk) 13:57, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice. I do need just to learn to let go. You're almost 100% right that it was the Franco-Prussian war that destroyed it, I just can't actually find any source that says that. I've looked in Coussemaker, Lippiman, van den Borren, but nothing. I don't have the Welker dissertation on the MSS....AHA! finally found a reference in Staehlein. Will add that. Thanks! m. -- Michael Scott Cuthbert (talk) 15:32, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

A brownie for you!

I leave the room for two minutes and my userpage disappears - thankfully there are helpful folk like you around to fix it. As a token of my appreciation: cake! Yunshui 雲‍水 14:02, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, and yum! It was just a vandalism-only account and I blocked it for you. Antandrus (talk) 15:01, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
	For your kind words on ANI, thanks. That means a lot to me. Dave ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 15:07, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

observations on Wikipedia behavior

Firstly, thanks for your essay, it was an interesting read to get a feel for what it's like to be an experienced Wikipedian dealing with community issues.

Secondly, I've fixed {{anchored list}} - it was generating invalid anchor names. Unfortunately this means any old links to list items in your essay will now be broken.

··gracefool☺ 21:55, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks -- yes, I'm not sure how many of the incoming links go to a specific item. Probably a lot. The majority are in talk page archives so I doubt it's a big deal. Regarding the copy-paste -- that's ok, we're GFDL after all -- and it's not as bad as the one who copied and pasted it just to add nasty comments! I have to laugh that the thing I've written that has gotten the most attention hasn't been any of the hundreds of articles, but my remarks on the people who write them. So it goes .... Antandrus (talk) 01:54, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

While correct html is good, the people who post links to the essay are unlikely to learn the new anchor system, and there are probably lots of places which someone will read, and which use the old anchors. So, if wanted, I would be happy to manually insert {{anchor|1}} at the front of point 1 in the essay, and similar for the other points. I can do that without much trouble, so please reply here if it is wanted. Johnuniq (talk) 07:31, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

That's a good idea, and would solve the broken links issue. (If you start and get bored I'll finish.) Thanks! Antandrus (talk) 14:15, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Done (it was just a single search-and-replace and some trickery). I guess there won't be much re-ordering of the items, but of course the whole point of {{anchored list}} is that the anchors will automatically change to suit the list numbers if items are re-ordered, but the manual anchors will need fixing. If you ever want to move stuff around, I would be happy to fix the anchors. Johnuniq (talk) 02:00, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Just to confirm here: was this a purely theoretical problem, or did any browsers actually break? Because if it's the former, we'd be far rather being good netizens and proposing that HTML5 accept purely numerical tags. In fact, even in the case where it only worked due to hacks in old browsers we'd be better doing that. Comments? Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 19:23, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Cori Spezzati / Venetian Music

Hey Antandrus,

I'm looking for a better way to solve the confusion with the articles about Venetian Music. I've listed the pages involved and I'm suggesting a way to solve it, on my talk page. Since you commented about it, I thought maybe you would want to take a glance at it. :)

Here's the direct link User_talk:RenatoBorges

RenatoBorges (talk) 05:43, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

—Preceding undated comment added 05:37, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Advice

I have an editor who has followed me to multiple articles for about a year now. He insists on arguing ad nauseum over every single minute detail. He will insist that if I don't give in to his content demands taking every minute detail through every step of WP:DR. If there is a 3rd opinion, he will extract the one bit of advice that backs up his comments and ignore everything that contradicts it. It is starting to make me very irritable as I would much rather be working on content, however, if I simply give in, his edits are often focused on shifting POV towards particular nationalist viewpoints. What do you think I should do? Wee Curry Monster talk 09:46, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Do you think he's wiki-stalking you or genuinely is interested in the same topics? (I could probably figure out who it is with a few clicks, but won't for now). Nationalists are a genuine plague upon Wikipedia, as they are in the "real" world; by their very nature they're not going to see your point of view. Use the NPOV noticeboard, respond blandly and always one notch more civilly than your opponent, and don't take the bait are my most general advice. Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 14:38, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

I think part of my problem at the moment, is I've swallowed the bait several times and responded accordingly. Its a constant wind up but he seems careful to remain superficially civil. Past experience shows this isn't always appreciated by those coming cold to the problem. I'm convinced its wikistalking, he made a big fuss when I inadvertently edited an article shortly after he did (a different part of the same article), he took it to WQA and accused me of wikistalking him. Ever come across Projection bias. Wee Curry Monster talk 17:37, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Francis Poulenc

You seem to do better with difficult IPs and edits to music articles than I do. Perhaps you could take a look at the Poulenc article? Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 02:20, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

Last time I looked at it -- within the year -- I ran screaming in horror. Dare I look again? (One of my very favorite composers, by the way. Deserves a top-notch article.) Antandrus (talk) 02:25, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

COPYRIGHT COMMENTS

Hi. Good day. I cite US LAW, my article also does not contain copyright material from the book I cite. I only cite FACTS, HISTORY, context, provide references and links...

Thank you... It is legal.

Christopher Origer 21:02, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Antandrus. You have new messages at Nathan2055's talk page.
Message added 21:19, 4 July 2012 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Nathan2055^{talk - contribs} 21:19, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Christopheroriger

I noticed you tried to reason with this user regarding his FAIR USE disclaimer. I've been going on and off with him since last night when he was posting chapters of this supposed book of his.

Just an FYI note that he deleted your comment on his talk page and put up his FAIR USE notice again. I'm confident that this editor will not be constructive in any way, and will eventually be blocked. See this diff to my talk page: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AManway&diff=500606388&oldid=500605430 - interesting for an editor who has been registered for less than 24 hours.

I'm not sure who to take this up with. But he's a definite thorn in our sides and will sooner or later be removed.

Thanks for your help on this. Any little bit is greatly appreciated. Regards, --Manway 21:37, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

That's a nasty diff -- thanks for pointing that out. I'm starting, as usual, with a couple tablespoons of AGF. Once drunk with a glass of water, other acronyms may apply.

The book, by the way, is probably notable -- the film The Ninth Day is based on it -- but you're right, he doesn't quite have the "wiki way" down yet. I'm watching. Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 21:45, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Just saw this: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Priestblock_25487:_A_Memoir_of_Dachau_:_Fr._Jean_Bernard&diff=prev&oldid=500711926 - he needs a healthy dose of WP:OWN. I'll try once more, counsel him on that policy. Don't expect much, though, but you're right - AGF is needed. Once more, my friends, once more into the breach.... --Manway 22:00, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Indeed ... I'm also trying again. By the way, FYI. One of the reasons I'm trying to be a little extra kind, if his user name is any guide, is that he may be directly related to the Jean Origer who was murdered by the Nazis at Mauthausen. There's a lot of emotional force behind his comments, and that's probably where the straw-man Holocaust denial charges are coming from. Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 22:59, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

My Sincere Thanks. I contend, not strawman....But we will leave that for now....

Christopher ORIGER

Christopher Origer 00:10, 5 July 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Christopheroriger (talk • contribs)

Thanks. I really appreciate your help. Kind regards. Christopher ORIGER

Christopher Origer 00:25, 5 July 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Christopheroriger (talk • contribs)

Antandrus: One more PS. Everything I wrote to begin with WAS MINE. All I had done at one point was to take the beginning of the first Chapter of the book and included that in the Article. Per Title 17 U.S.C. It IS/WAS FAIR SCHOLARLY USE of the DATA. They kept deleting my drafts and my submittals.....

Thanks for the Reference to THE NINTH DAY. I saw this film at an International Film Festival I volunteered at in Minneapolis a few years ago. It was one of the most emotional films I have ever seen. PURE MORAL COURAGE in the face of Tyranny. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Christopheroriger (talk • contribs) 02:43, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks,

Christopher Christopher Origer 00:40, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Yes. I want to see that film too.

Let me know if you need further help with the article for creation. If all else fails I will create a draft myself with a few references to reviews and to Harold Marcuse's page here. He's an expert on Dachau as I'm sure you know. It should be possible to put up at least a small page on the book, as a start, which conforms to all Wikipedia policies and guidelines. I will be away for several days but back early next week. Antandrus (talk) 03:39, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Thank You. Talk to you soon. The Film is well worth watching. Yes, I have been to Dachau a few times. Thank you for linking Prof. Marcuses page.

Kind regards,

Christopher

Christopher Origer 04:11, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Hi Antandarus. Hope you are well. Had to shift focus for a while. Hope to talk more when I can start working on my family history/Luxembourg history and Priestblock again. Talk to you soon. Cheers Christopher Origer 19:18, 17 July 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Christopheroriger (talk • contribs)

Feedback request

Forgive me for I know you must be busy, but on the basis of our brief acquantance I would appreciate your opimion on Talk:Tree shaping#Adding Book. Did I do right? Many thanks Mcewan (talk) 01:38, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

I think so. It looks like a borderline case. I tend to be a little easier on "spam" than most people; if a link is likely to provide useful information not in the article, in my opinion, I let it go. Other editors are quite vigilant, pulling "spam" links as though they were invasive weeds. I wish the radio shows she mentions had links. Honestly, I think that one could go either way. Antandrus (talk) 01:49, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Hmm I was a bit influenced by the fact that the article is already somewhat of a pitch for their work, great though it clearly is. I'll see if we can get links for the radio from them. Mcewan (talk) 02:02, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Request for admin assistance at WP:ANI

Could you have a look this ANI Page. There is an issue with an editor and even the ANI page is being vandalized and seems out-of-control. If not desired , by yourself, could you please introduce another administrator to this job? Repeated requests and warnings are not functioning anymore for this spilled over ruckus. Thanks! 99.251.125.65 (talk) 02:30, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Greetings -- sorry, was busy yesterday evening. Appears the ANI thread is closed now. If you want my opinion, go with lc "the Beatles" vs "The Beatles" -- that's the way the magisterial 29-volume New Grove Dictionary of Music and Musicians, which is kept up to date, does it, and they're incredibly careful and consistent about such things. Their article is by Ian Macdonald. Antandrus (talk) 14:02, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

This seems to be a problem due to the confusion that gets introduced every time somebody tries to address this problem. This particular case was not about The Beatles but rather about the behaviour being output by the editors. Many attempts to resolve these issues (content) but each time the combatants involved confuse the issue, at hand, with more behavioural problems. The issue then becomes confused and closed in frustraton by another editor that can't be bothered to actually read what has transpired or even the title of the complaint. Unbelievably frustrating! *sigh*. Thanks for the ref. 99.251.125.65 (talk) 15:08, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Advice?

• Hi! Please see Talk:Brazilian aircraft carrier São Paulo (A12)#Policies Anir1uph and The Bushranger need to read, what would you have done? --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 17:01, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Wow. Curiously intense argument over -- a space. Sometimes you just have to step back a notch. To my eye, the extra space is slightly more pleasing but I would never have noticed if I hadn't read the thread. Do other articles on ships have the space? I looked at two which did not (I'm using IE at this moment, though I do not normally). My advice regarding arguing the dispute -- 91 is being shrill but other parties are responding to the shrillness, turning up the heat unnecessarily. No matter how trivial the issue, once sides dig in, it becomes difficult to solve. This one could easily end up on WP:LAME, and if it gets attention at a noticeboard a crowd will pile on with "they're arguing over a WHAT??", tarring both sides. Looks like you have clear consensus to keep the hidden comment (and space). Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 15:39, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

• Yeah, that pretty much sums up most regular editor's view point but not that of the IP-hopping troll. Best to ignore, eh? Best and cheers. --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 23:21, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Unrelated

If you are not yet aware of Calling All Dawns, you need to acquire that album post-haste. I guarantee that, given your musical acumen, you'll get a number of eargasms. — Coren ^(talk) 19:49, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Greetings! Thanks for the recommendation -- I'll look at it. I'm enjoying a longish (for me) break from this place. Back eventually. Antandrus (talk) 14:16, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Edit to Albertus Magnus

From 2004. Can you remember where you sourced this from? I am studying the growth of articles in Wikipedia! Quisquiliae (talk) 15:54, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Yup. We didn't footnote things then, or even (often) list references, incredible as that may seem. I got that from the Edward Booth's article in the New Grove (online version available by subscription). There are a number of other sources I might have used, but since everything in the paragraph I added is somewhere in the article that's probably what I used (it was eight years ago ... tempus fugit ...) Antandrus (talk) 18:30, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks :) Quisquiliae (talk) 21:31, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Juan Pujol

Hi Antandrus, I was browsing through your list of contribs when I noticed that you wrote about a cut-and-paste move to Juan Pujol. Since I enjoy recovering obscure or semi-obscure page history, I've history merged it for you, so all your edits are finally where they're meant to be. Therefore I've removed the note about the cut and paste move from your contribs page. Hope you don't mind. Graham87 05:38, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you!! Really appreciate that. It was one of those things I intended to do myself eventually but probably never would have gotten around to it. Interesting that the page sizes show as zero; there may be something on bugzilla about that. Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 14:20, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

California Oil Field Maps

Hello! I recently found your maps of the oil fields in California, like this one. I've been having a hell of a time trying to figure a way to turn GIS files from DOGGR into .kml format so I can see them (specifically the oil fields) as overlays on Google Earth. Would you be able to help me with that at all?

Thanks! --CumbiaDude (talk) 01:01, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Do you have ArcGIS 9.3 or above? There should be a tool for that. I haven't used it but I'm pretty sure it is there. (I don't have ArcGIS on my laptop but will look next time I have it.) Convert .shp to .kml and make sure to select the "field name" attribute to be the label in Google Earth. Antandrus (talk) 04:10, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Greetings again -- I verified that it works in ArcGIS 10; I was able to make a .kmz of the entire layer of California oil fields retaining the attributes. Shoot me an e-mail if you'd like me to send it to you. Antandrus (talk) 17:17, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Christian Tetzlaff

Have you seen the recent New Yorker article on him? I know almost nothing technical about the violin and/or violinists, and I found the article absorbing. I have a link to the abstract here. You can take a look and see if it is worth your while pursuing. Bielle (talk) 03:26, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Interesting! Thanks! Yes, there are different schools of violin playing, esp. regarding color. I can look on Youtube to see if I can hear his sound -- sometimes it's perfectly appropriate to have one "leached of color" (think the opening of the Chausson Poème, at least the way I hear it). Often good stuff in the New Yorker ... Antandrus (talk) 04:08, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

The magic of the writing in the New Yorker is that it can approach a really technical subject -like colour in the sound of music- that talks neither down to the knowledgeable nor over the head of the novice. (If only WP could do the same!) I am certain you got much more out of the article than I ever could, and yet it managed to engage me completely. So, when you find a youtube (or two) that demonstrates the essence of the article, could you post a link here? I need a lot of help, but I am willing. Thanks Bielle (talk) 05:40, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

lets talk shall we

why waste all of your time on tees hey? what up yo mander? really, why should we waste our time with this the MOS proves it is true do you think the MOSes are liars yo? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.30.247.200 (talk) 03:51, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia doesn't work that way. There is an active discussion on this issue. Make your point there; that's the correct way to proceed. Antandrus (talk) 03:56, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

nice move with the filter a little late though we cant make our case at the kangaroo mediation all IPs are blocked yo manger man103.9.151.142 (talk) 06:41, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

why take on such a thankless task rather like a janitor plodding down the hall forever fixing foolishness failure we suppose you know you locked the "T"s just as we wanted so thanks 199.38.234.201 (talk) 06:45, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

as we suppose you can now see how you wold need to block millions and millions of ips to stop us from full compliance with MOS why is this wrong we feel persecuted? 41.77.137.96 (talk) 06:48, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Troll

Watch User talk:Hot Stop Ground Zero. Well, Until he learns--intelati/talk 03:58, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

I've been methodically blocking all his ranges at the /24 level wherever he appears (look at the log). I want him to get the point that there is a mediation active on the issue. Other than that, he's just shoveling sand against the tide. Antandrus (talk) 04:00, 9 September 2012 (UTC)