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Various Japanese emperors (and apparently one modern mystery writer and one historical province)

Hi IIO. Regarding this edit: you meant it as a rhetorical question, right? Assuming you did, I really didn't want to mess it up by answering on there, but your earlier !vote implied you hadn't checked the guideline yourself so I was a little concerned. Cheers! Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 15:21, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

At the time I supported I hadn't checked the MOS, since I trust you to read it correctly, I have since checked and of course you did. No, my question was not rhetorical, I wanted the two users to look for themselves. But does [User:...] actually work as a "ping"? Last time I looked they hadn't come back. In ictu oculi (talk) 15:25, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

I don't know. It does really annoy me when users show up once and make a flawed argument, then I demonstrate why it doesn't count, but they don't come back so it still ends with "no consensus". Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 15:35, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Well - I've seen a different "ping" template - one that works better, but can't find it. I just notified Necrothesp on his/her talk page. In ictu oculi (talk) 15:48, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Profeti

I heard an interesting concert with Profeti della Quinta, had no idea of Rossi's compositions for the synagogue. (concert moderator pictured on top of my talk) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:57, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Two composer red links (but blue on de) that may interest you, here, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:04, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Advice on uploading images with expired copyright

I was wondering if you could help me. I am interested in uploading an image (to wiki commons) which is an illustration from hundreds of years ago (to enrich an article). I assume any such illustrations are in the public domain, are they not - due to their age? But how can I go about proving that the image in question is indeed that old, as the image source (an article) doesn't explicitly state the age/origin date (but the images themselves are pretty well known, which is how I know). Thank you. Kamoozida (talk) 00:49, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

I would name an approximate date and explain why in the UPLOADWIZARD comment box. Good luck. In ictu oculi (talk) 01:46, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Gospel of the Hebrews

The above page is currently a GA nominee. I think it might not be unreasonable to have someone review it, possibly rather thoroughly. Oh, by the way, you really need to set for more frequent archiving of your user talk page. Over 100 threads on a single talk page is longer than I think I've seen pretty much anywhere. John Carter (talk) 17:34, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Sorry to subject you to this, but you may want to weigh in here Talk:Gospel of the Hebrews#Scope of this article and comment on the wisdom of bringing all the Aramaic/Hebrew gospel material back into this article. Ignocrates (talk) 19:05, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

And, Ignocrates, if it is humanly possible for you, you might try to avoid making statements which seem to both violate WP:AGF and also jump to conclusions which are not necessarily supported by the evidence. You seem to have rather pronounced difficulties regarding both of those matters. John Carter (talk) 19:09, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

For Your Information / Clarification

You wrote that no modern New Testament scholar supports the view that Matthew's Gospel was first written in Aramaic. I find this statement incredible. Although I respect your view, I am just curious to know what you think about the statement written in the book, The Gospel of Matthew, by co-authors Curtis Mitch and Edward Sri, p. 18, where we find these words:

I will answer this on the Talk:Gospel of Matthew. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:06, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

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Slovenian Littoral

Obviously we are not moving this to the requested title, but it seems I was closing the request at the same moment you were commenting on a new destination. Do you want me to revert so the new name can be discussed in the context of the current discussion? (Or you could start a new discussion unencumbered by the other topic of the move, which might be more effective.)--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 02:02, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. I think how you have closed it is fine, and cleaner. Cheers. In ictu oculi (talk) 02:07, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Hmm, I had some kind of display error. I did not see the text box and your signature below it; the page simply cutoff after your initial "I don't really understand why it isn't at Primorska, since Primorska directs here", and so thought it was an unsigned comment. When I saved, however, I saw your whole post and was fooled into thinking you were posting simultaneously but I see you posted hours ago. I wrote this and then edit conflicted with the above. Comedy of errors.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 02:09, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

moving (person) dab

According to several movings you are doing, could you move back this one to Tsugumi (actress)? Thanks in advance. Cavarrone 15:34, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

ANI alert

Hi. It doesn't look like anybody has made you aware of this ANI thread. Seems to me you should know about it. Regards, Bishonen | talk 18:15, 28 August 2013 (UTC).

(entertainer)

Hi In ictu - would you please stop changing disambiguators away from "(entertainer)"? When to use it is an unsettled question as you know, with RMs going both ways recently. It is certainly not uncontroversial. If you want to start an RfC on the issue, feel free, but otherwise I would suggest pursuing them as individual RMs for the time being until a clear consensus on the issue emerges. Thanks. Dohn joe (talk) 17:14, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Dohn, I'm using my judgment as an editor. Most of those I have reverted have been undiscussed moves and very clearly counter sources. However you're welcome to revert per WP:BRD.

As for gone both ways. The simple one's haven't. You have been in a minority so far in supporting a neologism that is rarely or in some cases never used in printed sources. A balance has to be struck between leaving some (where it's justified), reverting some by WP:MOVE where it's obvious, and putting in WP:RM where there could be a case for merits on both sides.

As I say you can revert, but I recommend you run ["entertainer Name"] in Google Books before doing so. Ultimately we must follow the language and terms of reliable sources. In ictu oculi (talk) 17:30, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Fair enough. I just wish that we could at least get on the same page about the word itself. This may be an ENGVAR or a native-speaker issue, but it is just not the case that "entertainer" is limited to court jesters and vaudevillians. A singer is an entertainer. An actor is an entertainer. And "entertainer" is especially helpful as a descriptor when someone is notable within multiple realms of entertainment: a model-dancer, or a comedian-actor. I've already shown you a dozen examples of both individuals and groups being called "entertainers" by highly reputable sources, from newspapers up to and including academic journals. I don't understand your continued reluctance to recognize that that sense of "entertainer" is widely accepted, and certainly not a neologism. Is "singer" preferable when someone is exclusively (or nearly) notable as a singer? Sure. But if someone is notable as both a singer and an actor, "(singer)" becomes less and less helpful. We could use "(singer/actor)", but "(entertainer)" is more consistent when applied to all subjects who are notable across disciplines, don't you think? Dohn joe (talk) 18:16, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

We could, you could suggest it.

Otherwise we don't need to rehash the RMs. Yes you've found some cases where 3% or 5% of printed sources use "entertainer Fred" among 80% for "the singer Fred" - but that 3% or 5% fails WP:AT twice, both on recognition and precision. The reason that the (singer) dabs are being restored in RMs is that 80+% hits for "the singer Fred" show the printed language as it is.

So far I haven't observed any ENGVAR issue when Australian, Canadian, US, UK printed sources all avoid "entertainer Fred". :::The argument that you're applying would mean going through Category:American female singers and moving every (singer) to (entertainer). Why not merge Category:American female singers into Category:American female singers and be done with it?

Those are rhetorical questions by the way, they are to explain my view not, with respect, invite discussion here, now, that can wait. Ultimately printed sources will bring titles to something sensible. In ictu oculi (talk) 18:28, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Re: Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions_(people)#.28entertainer.29, I apologize for not making it clearer that the survey section was only for those who wished to participate in the survey, and that the discussion section was for more general comments such as yours. I hopefully made that clearer now. It wasn't meant to "hide" your comment, just manage the structure of the RfC. Hope there's no hard feelings. Dohn joe (talk) 18:58, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

"Missing Years" Chronology

Thanks, In ictu oculi, for your question. I have also made this same reply on Talk:Missing years (Jewish calendar).... Davidbena (talk) 01:24, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I will look there. In ictu oculi (talk) 01:26, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

In ictu oculi, I wanted you to see this.........Davidbena (talk) 05:25, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Please do not paste chunks to User's Talk pages, Link Talk:Temple Mount. Thank you. In ictu oculi (talk) 05:26, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:Relax (song)

I amended my nomination rationale. By the way, can you fix the "oppose support" thing please? --George Ho (talk) 16:33, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Martin Kemp

Kudos on moving this back. I'm heartened to see your intellectual honesty on the BRD issue. At least that's something we can agree on! Dohn joe (talk) 20:47, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Well, that's a more important guideline, should be observed by everyone. In ictu oculi (talk) 20:51, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Faye Wong albums

TransporterMan said that adding alternative names is discouraged, unless a name is proven to be significant by a reliable source. Would this apply to Faye Wong albums, like Please Myself and fuzao? --George Ho (talk) 14:55, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi @George Ho: no evidently not since in such a case Fuzao is the real title, the various English versions are just guesses. If there was an official title like Cui Jian's Balls Under the Red Flag then it would still need the Chinese. In ictu oculi (talk) 23:57, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

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I commented on your comment on Talk: Charles Lawrence (mathematician). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.66.5.53 (talk) 18:12, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Joseph Smith

Would you please look over the discussion on the Joseph Smith talk page? I respect your opinion and would just like to know your thoughts. Thanks. Canstusdis (talk) 20:08, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

WP:REFACTOR

Hi In ictu. This edit went against WP:REFACTOR. You can't change the rationale of a comment after three other editors have responded to that comment. It skews the discussion. It makes it look like people have responded to comments that didn't exist when they were made. Please don't do this again. Dohn joe (talk) 04:30, 7 September 2013 (UTC) P.S. If you were thinking about comparing this action with my move of your comment at the WP:Naming conventions (people) discussion, please read WP:REFACTOR, which allows people some leeway in structuring a talkpage discussion. At the time I moved your comment, no one had yet responded to it. By the time you moved it back, multiple editors had. Moving left those comments dangling without context. Dohn joe (talk) 04:30, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

I wouldn't compare the addition of WP:AT guideline to a RM nomination as refactor of the RfC. Since the other two editors didn't even need it. But I am quite happy to place after your comment, as you are the only editor to whom the WP:CRITERIA 2 question applies. In ictu oculi (talk) 04:39, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for moving it. I appreciate it. Dohn joe (talk) 04:47, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

Blessed Virgin Mary (Roman Catholicism)

You made Blessed Virgin Mary (Roman Catholicism) redirect to itself. ;)

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Hello

Have you met NoTruthIsEverALie before? bobrayner (talk) 23:34, 7 September 2013 (UTC) @Bobrayner: Thanks, added to SPI. In ictu oculi (talk) 01:30, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Kauffner

Dealt with it from a checkuser perspective. NativeForeigner ^Talk 09:08, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

David Wu

Hey - kudos on actually using the reliable sources I cited to expand the article. It's one thing to argue about the title behind the scenes, but that was an improvement to the content of the encyclopedia. Well done. Dohn joe (talk) 00:23, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:Good for Me (song)

Any comments regarding this closure? I moved to Good for Me (Amy Grant song), only to see it reverted. What's the point of a discussion if somebody else's POV is more important than consensus. And I am accused of pulling a trick! --Richhoncho (talk) 21:05, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

@Richhoncho: Cuchullain's highly reasonable, I suspect it's just that there hasn't been much discussion of what "covered by" means in WP:DAB. A lot of editors including admin-editors believe it means "covered by a title" not content. I've left a comment under the RM. In ictu oculi (talk) 23:36, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Seems the WP:DAB footnote needs lifting into guideline lead. In ictu oculi (talk) 15:33, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

God Head in Christinaity

In regards to your post on my talk the other day, I do not know what you mean by "slow-burn edit warring". Can you please explain this so that I may understand? Also, in regards to the WP:Fork, how would the umbrella article of Christianity redirect to Mormonism? Please explain because I disagree. I also do not understand why Mormonism's view of the godhead is on the Christian god head page. Do explain this because in all of my studies and education this is not what I was taught. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dmodic (talk • contribs) 13:03, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Answered first question on your Talk, second on the article Talk:Godhead in Christianity. In ictu oculi (talk) 15:19, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Felix Roque

Hi. I reverted your edit to Felix Roque because it did not appear constructive. Since you're a veteran editor, I assume that this just an error on your part; Just letting you know. Thanks. :-) Nightscream (talk) 16:58, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Was trying to fill in the biodata. Couldn't find it. In ictu oculi (talk) 17:08, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Didn't notice you were back

but very pleased that you are. I'd appreciate your taking a look at recent edits at Abraham and my comments at Talk:Abraham. Thanks. Dougweller (talk) 18:13, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

FWIW, feel free to check wikimedia commons copies of now PD reference sources. Yeah, there are still a lot missing, and they're all old, but I'm not sure how much the academic world has changed its opinions on this particular subject lately. And also glad to see you've returned. John Carter (talk) 18:22, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

A brownie for you!

For your dedicated hard work to Wikipedia! Erick (talk) 20:07, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

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There is a series of attempts to communicate with this editor at User Talk:WilliamJE In ictu oculi (talk) 11:35, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Fabian (entertainer) and Talk:Belinda (entertainer)

Can you please withdraw your proposals, so I can propose using a natural disambiguation? --George Ho (talk) 06:52, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

@George Ho: sure, done. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:52, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

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songs named "Applause"

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File:Belinda Cabo Verde.jpg

Perhaps you can meet THIS Belinda in-person and photograph her. This image is replaceable in the article. Unless you find notability of the album, can you tag it with {{db-g7}}? Thank you. --George Ho (talk) 17:52, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi George, Yeah, I know, thanks, was in album article mode when I did that. Good call. In ictu oculi (talk) 11:52, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Wrecking Ball (Miley Cyrus song) - RM

Socks, cocks and frocks. ;) You're better at working it out than me, but I note that the nomination was by an IP who has made one edit and the IP support has made half a dozen edits - all at RMs. Should I AGF or continue to wonder? Cheers. --Richhoncho (talk) 20:15, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi Richhoncho thanks for the note, that's our anti-PDAB community banned friend again, added to the latest SPI. In ictu oculi (talk) 11:56, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Mike Reid (actor)

Greetings! The move is done, but redirecting Mike Reid (entertainer) to Mike Reid leaves a lot of links. If you have the time, please fix these (I would do so, but do not have access to the tools at the moment). Cheers! bd2412 T 15:26, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

I've already done them all. Came across this discussion while I was checking all the other namespaces :-) –anemoneprojectors– 16:57, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

And I just did null edits to the ones transcluded in Template:Comics who appeared on "The Comedians". That was easy :-) Wbm1058 (talk) 20:09, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Right, thanks. Template:Comics who appeared on "The Comedians" In ictu oculi (talk) 07:09, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Lead songs of albums

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Nomination of Belinda (Cape Verdean singer) for deletion

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Speedy deletion nomination of Như Quỳnh (actress)

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Discussion at Talk:Shark_Island_Extermination_Camp#Requested_move_2

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Nomination of Killer (Swiss band) for deletion

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User:İn ictu ocli

Just letting you know the account exists. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 13:25, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I just put a note on that user's Talk page that contains some remarks about their choice of user name. At first glance, the user's contributions appear to be constructive, and they seem already rather familiar with Wikipedia editing and community practices. (For example, by successfully creating a user page with a centered animated picture, making a properly formatted and competently worded remark on an AfD discussion, and eschewing excess capitalization.) But it might be better if they would choose a different account name to avoid confusion about who is doing editing. —BarrelProof (talk) 17:05, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Như Quỳnh

The article literally said "Như Quỳnh (1954) is a Vietnamese actress.[1]". I have requested the speedy deletion of articles with more notability than this. WP:A7 perfectly applied and its initial deletion clearly demostrate it. You don't own the articles you create, and the lack of understanding of the CSD policy is incredible in an experienced editor like you. Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 03:37, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

It isn't an issue of owning articles, even though you went to the article and put a speedy on it because I created it as part of disambiguating the singer, WP:A7 requires a deleting editor to look at the interwiki link for sources in the local wikipedia language - you put a WP:A7 on a People's Artist with extensive filmography, leading roles in the 1970s and 1980s, and even roles in French-Vietnamese and South-Korean Vietnamese coproductions. I will add a note to WP:A7 if necessary. In ictu oculi (talk) 03:41, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

"[E]ven though you went to the article and put a speedy on it because I created it as part of disambiguating the singer", can you prove it? If that were the truth, don't you think I would have reversed this. Also, there were no interwiki link. And I didn't put a A7 template on a "People's Artist with extensive filmography", because, once again, and *any* admin can verify this, the article that I requested deletion said "Như Quỳnh (1954) is a Vietnamese actress.[1]", I didn't request the deletion of this article, and .vi's demostrate why she is notable. The question is, why you didn't create an article like their's but you are here complaining about an article that was a re-phrase of the title. Wasn't better for a reader to read? this than "She is a Vietnamese actress"? Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 04:37, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

You yourself said you went to that article because I created it here. In ictu oculi (talk) 04:49, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes, but the link doesn't prove that I "went to the article and put a speedy on it because [you] created it as part of disambiguating the singer", still defamation? Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 04:53, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

I think rather than ask myself, you'd better ask Richhoncho and GeorgeHo on the impression your action leaves, seeing as they have both commented on your AfDs on articles I created. What is certain is what you yourself said about why you went to the article. I have opened discussion on the Talk page of the WP:A7 CSD criteria itself. In ictu oculi (talk) 05:00, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

As far as I know Rich hasn't and George's argument was weak, he even accepted that the page he tried to defend wasn't notable in WP:GNG terms. I don't know if he tried to help you or the page by !voting "keep", but this is not a democracy. Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 05:11, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

• @Tbhotch. I have already made my opinion of you known on another page so don't write as though I haven't commented, but just for the record I note 5 deletions listed above and made by you, together with the timestamp posted to this page:-

1. Applause (Bonnie Franklin song) - 23:26, 4 October 2013
2. Belinda (Cape Verdean singer) - 23:26, 4 October 2013
3. File:Belinda Cabo Verde.jpg - 23:26, 4 October 2013
4. Như Quỳnh (actress) 23:47, 4 October 2013
5. Killer (Swiss band) - 18:02, 5 October 2013

There is no connection between 4 of the items, oh, save, one, they were created by the same editor. I also note that Tbhotch is not known for nominating for deletion, in fact hasn't made one nomination since the last one above. Therefore there is only logical explanation, you trawled through one editor's contributions with the intention of making mischief. Too late to assume good faith now. --Richhoncho (talk) 19:12, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

And your opinions are supposed to be cared by me because... I told you at Applause that I won't reply nothing you say, so stop sending me notifications as I don't care what you say or do here. Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 23:28, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Why would I think you would pay attention to my opinions when you pay no attention to any other editor's opinion? Sorry IIO for taking over your userpage - feel free to delete. --Richhoncho (talk) 18:30, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

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re: barnstar

thanks a lot! and same to you, --Soman (talk) 22:09, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Copyviol

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Tenjin Shinyō-ryū

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RE: Kww

If we consider that the chance that I requested the deletion of an article, which was "intentionally a Vietnamese language stub in order that" I could request its deletion so you "could later complain about its deletion", possibly performed by any editor under A7 is almost nule, you should ask Kevin what does he mean with that accusation, because it seems to him that you created the article, which failed A7, to later complain the A7 process. Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 05:04, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

I would agree it is nil since it had already passed New Page Patrol 4 days earlier, I would take it up with him, but he seems quite trigger happy. In 4 years of editing I have only ever come across one other threat like this. Perhaps you could say on the CSD Talk page that you didn't make any such accusation and he has misunderstood. In ictu oculi (talk) 05:09, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

NGR Massacre

Thanks very much for yours at my User talk. To answer your questions, the belligerence and the point of view (make the No Gun Ri Massacre go away) are similar, but there's a decided difference in their interests, judging from their User pages etc., and Kauffner, as I recall, was more literate than the hamhanded Weldneck. The problem, as essentially a neophyte at Wikipedia, is to know how to blow the whistle on Weldneck, now that he has stooped to outright fabrications -- by adding nonexistent words to documentary sources -- and to wholesale deletion of well-sourced facts that disturb his point of view. Any suggestions? Thanks. Charles J. Hanley 11:55, 15 October 2013 (UTC) Cjhanley (talk • contribs)