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December 9

body composition wikipedia definition webpage

The following appears on your "body composition" webpage Body composition (particularly body fat percentage) can be measured in several ways. The most common method is by shoving a tube up your ass and then licking it clean.

Can you rectify that entry? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 113.210.11.92 (talk) 04:17, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for reporting this. I have reverted the vandalism which was added 20 minutes ago. You are also welcome to revert vandalism yourself. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:25, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Rename Article for Correction

Kaden Inc

The name of the company referenced in this article should be "Kadant_Inc", not Kaden.

I can perform the edits in-article, however the page name and address need to be corrected.

All of the links are to the correct company, and the information is mostly correct.

Thanks. SGCam8 (talk) 05:34, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

The article is now at Kadant. Dismas|^(talk) 06:07, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Bandpage allowed?

Hi Wikipedia,

It is not allowed to commercialize yourself on Wikipedia, but a lot of bands are on Wikipedia. At what time is it possible to put yourself/ or let somebody else put you on Wikipedia. What should you've allready accomplished? We are a pretty new band, with a release album, site, facebook and so on... Is it possible to make a Wiki? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wearecuda (talk • contribs) 10:38, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Hello! Please start by taking the time to read this WP:BAND and this WP:PLAINANDSIMPLECOI. In summary, it may be possible to make an article about your band, but it´s not super-easy, if your aim is an article that won´t get deleted in a few minutes. Good luck! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:57, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

For some reason, I was really annoyed this particular time, but you're not making a "wiki" or even a "Wikipedia". It's an article. More to the point, you could also request an article, and if your band is notable enough, someone may create it for you. - Purplewowies (talk) 18:37, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Fixing a goof in Harvard citation

Hi, so I'm doing some edits to Tel Kabri, and I'm citing some field reports. Unfortunately, I forgot that the individual chapters of some of the reports are meant to be cited by the chapter author's name. (Long week...) I want to change around the references so that I cite the chapter author's name and then also reflect the fact that their work is in what's basically a book of collected articles. I'm using sfnp Harvard footnoting. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | ^{Say Shalom!} 6 Tevet 5774 10:38, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

It appears to me that you want what's covered in "Citing a chapter in a book with different authors for different chapters and an editor" under Template:Cite book#Examples. Deor (talk) 18:47, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

It appears to me that you would be correct in your assumption and therefore a good judge of such things, my good Deor. Thank you. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | ^{Say Shalom!} 6 Tevet 5774 19:23, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Batla House encounter case

Hi,

In reference to so many instances where Wikipedia is losing its credibility and the truth is being compromised by the users, I would like to request the people associated with that please try to change the way it works.

People are using this for their own benefits at the cost of slandering others.

Foe example, see information on Batla House Encounter at the url Batla House encounter case. It says in Citation Number 25 -

Batla house residents were happy that Shahzad was awarded life imprisonment; and sister of Shahzad cried that her brother was falsely implicated and vowed to fight for the justice by appealing in the supreme court.

and falsely give reference of the article published on this url - http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/batla-house-case-shehzad-falsely-implicated-will-move-sc-says-sister/article1-1101023.aspx however there is no mention in this article that Batla house residents were happy that Shahzad was awarded life imprisonment rather it is clear from the article that the residents were dissatisfied with the verdict and shown solidarity with the accused.

So appalling!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.90.211.94 (talk) 14:12, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

A better place to bring this up might be the talk page for the article at Talk:Batla House encounter case. RJFJR (talk) 15:26, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

But I've removed the unsourced claim. You could have done that yourself. Rojomoke (talk) 15:35, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

William Schallert

Play in one episode of one step beyond title was Epilogue — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.49.3.29 (talk) 18:46, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

According to imdb, he was actually in two episodes of Alcoa Presents: One Step Beyond. However the fimography list on the William Schallert page is only a partial one, listing his more noteworthy credits. In my opinion, it's probably already too long. Rojomoke (talk) 19:37, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

How do I make an article in userspace?

I've seen many people refer to a "userspace draft". Apparently this is where you can work on an article before publishing it to Wikipedia. So, how do I go about doing this? Thanks. Andrea McGahn (talk) 20:52, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:User pages#User pages and user space.--ukexpat (talk) 21:22, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Changes to a page

Dear Wikipedia, I have page pertaining to me and I wondered how I can make it more up to date and expand on some detailes within. i did not create the page and i am not sure who did. Many thanks, James Ouchterlony (James Angus Heathcote Ouchterlony - full name) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.139.48.25 (talk) 21:59, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi, and thanks for checking. Some guidance for you can be found in our conflict of interest pages and if there is anything that urgently needs correcting: Wikipedia:AUTOBIO#Problems_in_an_article_about_you. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 23:10, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

help!

I was removed from okcupid and want my money back. I want you to credit my credit card or face legal action. Thank you. [contact info redacted]. M.Pacelli — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.119.154.15 (talk) 22:42, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 4 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:52, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Re-name a page to one of its re-direct

I would like to move Diplomas de Español como Lengua Extranjera to DELE, as the latter is what it is commonly called among English speakers. However, I can't finish the move, as DELE is a re-direct page of Diplomas de Español como Lengua Extranjera. I think this is not a controversial move, and thus I find it unsuitable to request a move at Wikipedia:Requested moves. So what should I do? Salt (talk) 23:21, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

That page contains this section: Wikipedia:Requested_moves#Requesting_technical_moves. Scroll down near the bottom of that section where you see: "Alternatively, if the only obstacle to a technical move is another page in the way..." That is what you need. Dismas|^(talk) 23:32, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

But the page name has been constant since the 2007 creation, wikidata:Q1117438 shows it's used by most other languages, and while different articles at Dele and DELE are allowed, it may cause confusion. I think it deserves a requested move discussion. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:47, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your help. Originally I wasn't aware that there exists Dele, and that's why I would like to make such move. I agree that this move is not technical and is worth discussing.

But then I have another question. I would like to check the popularity of the terms "Diplomas de Español como Lengua Extranjera" and "DELE" among English users in google in order to justify my requested move, but after trying for so long, I don't know how check it. Can anyone help? Salt (talk) 06:17, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Google cannot make case sensitive searches as far as I know. You get many irrelevant hits on "dele" instead of DELE. Some search engines like http://casesensitivesearch.com/ may perform case sensitive searches but are otherwise poor compared to Google. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:06, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Blacklisted websites

Dear editors: While trying to add online sources to articles, I occasionally come across one that is blacklisted. For example, www.examiner.com often has interesting articles, but can't be used. Is there any record of the reasons for blacklisting of specific websites? —Anne Delong (talk) 23:31, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

See MediaWiki talk:Spam-blacklist for the local (English Wikipedia) list, and Meta:Talk:Spam blacklist for the global Wikimedia list. See also Wikipedia:Spam blacklist for general information. An archive search shows examiner.com has been discussed many times. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:53, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

By the way, note that Examiner's not a reliable source; that's presumably the reason it's been blacklisted, since otherwise it gets tons and tons of citations that shouldn't be added. Nyttend (talk) 00:51, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Sources for wikipedia articles must have a reputation for fact checking, accuracy, editorial oversight, and generally neutral point of view. Of the list of things that the Examiner has a reputation for, "interesting" may be one, but fact checking and accuracy and appropriate NPOV certainly are not on that list. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 01:06, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Not quite. TRPoD is incorrect about NPOV. WP:RS the very page linked to above, says:

"Wikipedia articles are required to present a neutral point of view. However, reliable sources are not required to be neutral, unbiased, or objective. Sometimes non-neutral sources are good sources for supporting information about the different viewpoints held on a subject."

However, a source should in most cases have a good reputation for fact-checking (unless it is being cited for its own POV or statements), and blacklisted sources generally do not fulfill this. DES ^(talk) 02:32, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Well, there are a lot of "news" sources that aren't blocked and seem to be 90% press releases. Maybe the difference is that they are more obvious. —Anne Delong (talk) 19:41, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

December 10

Citing the Catholic Encyclopedia

How best to cite the Catholic Encyclopedia? I'm not sure whether I should cite this page, or a stable revision of s:Catholic Encyclopedia (1913)/Archdiocese of Cincinnati, or one of the other online editions given at the bottom of our article on the encyclopedia. I don't have access to a printed copy, so I'm stuck with citing an online edition. Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Catholicism isn't very active; that's why I'm asking here and not there. Nyttend (talk) 00:55, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

{{Cite Catholic Encyclopedia}} supports either New Advent or Wikisource; I personally use Wikisource because I'm Wikimedia-biased, but both should be identical, so either one works. ~HueSatLum 01:19, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Never seen that template before. Thanks for the link! Nyttend (talk) 01:32, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

What is standard procedure for disliking the result of a discussion?

I raised a discussion on merging a List of religious leaders in 1220 (and the one other year-list for that century) into List of 13th-century religious leaders. As is normally done, a notice on the list pointed to a discussion on the talk of the target list. After no objections and a week's time, I closed the discussion. Since things could want to point to the old list I did not delete it, but made it a redirect to the new.

User:Adam Bishop now reverted the redirect for the old content. (Leaving for the moment all the indiscriminate collection of information that was also added back in.) What is standard procedure for disliking the result of a discussion, even if you did not take part in it? Maybe also inform him too, if that seem appropriate. tahc ^chat 03:24, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

it appears the merge discussion had reached a consensus (of 3) and the consensus was acted on. The other editor's rationale does not seem very rooted in policy, its an "I like it!" !vote. So even if the other editor had known about and participated in the discussion, at 3:1 it would still seem the consensus for merge would carry. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 03:46, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Age calculation templates

Hi! I've been over at the Brandon Lee article trying to fix up the infobox and one of the things it needs is the age calculation template (his age at date of death). I know that there is supposed to be a certain way to add these, but even with the instructions, it's very difficult to get it right and I don't really understand everything I need to do make it work. Every time a preview my changes, there's still something wrong with it, and I don't want to mess up the article. Can someone please help me with this? Thanks for your time. Survivorfan1995 (talk) 06:17, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Survivorfan1995: How about now? [1] --Glaisher [talk] 06:27, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Yes! Many thanks! I guess it was pretty simple after all. But could you please tell me what "mf=yes" means? I know I probably seem stupid to even ask such a thing, but just for future reference. Thanks! Survivorfan1995 (talk) 06:33, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Most templates have documentation, which can be seen at their template:xyz page. Per template:Birth date, it's a parameter to cause the date to be displayed month-first. Rwessel (talk) 07:10, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

wrong language page

When I am searching for something, the answer page comes up Nederland. Can I do something so it comes up in English? I do not want to have to use the translate to English function.

под капотам розетка 250 v . это што . обагрев. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.36.241.115 (talk) 07:32, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

If this is a problem with your Wikipedia use, click on Preferences at the top of he page, then check that the drop-down menu at "Language" is set to the option you require. If, as I suspect, your question is about using a search engine to search the internet, then it sounds as if you need to change your search engine settings. For example, when using Google, you can click on Settings / Search settings / Languages to select the language in which your results will be displayed. if I have misunderstood, and your problem is not related to either of these issues, then please explain a little further so we can try to help. Karenjc (talk) 09:39, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

In citation templates, including non-English names of authors who wrote articles in English

In Antoine_Bazin#References I used a journal article written by Liu Wu-chi as a reference to prove that the title He hanshan may be translated in English as "Joining the Shirt" (Bazin had translated that title into French as Ho-Han-Chan ou La Tunique Confrontée). The academic article is in English but the final two pages of the source is an abstract in Chinese, indicating the author's name is written in Chinese as 柳无忌. I believe including the Chinese name of the author in the citation (at least until someone writes an article about him) can be useful to people who want to find additional works or information by him that may be written in Chinese (it is not possible to copy and paste the Chinese text in the PDF which contains the source). Another editor stated that the Chinese name of the author should not be included at all if the source article is in English anyway. Would anyone like to weigh in on the matter?

Thank you, WhisperToMe (talk) 08:34, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

I don't know if there is a policy on the matter, but I would think it entirely reasonable to include the name in Chinese. --ColinFine (talk) 15:06, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Please look at the article before commenting, especially if you "do not know whether there is a policy...." WhisperToMe is an excellent editor who has made an excellent article, but does not give all the details in his or her question here. The question is whether in a footnote the Chinese characters of the author should be added to the normal citation. There must be hundreds of thousands of footnotes in Wikipedia articles, none of which give Chinese characters for authors of books or articles in English. In this case there is no reason to go against normal practice because any reader who can read Chinese can see the author's name perfectly well, and readers who do not read Chinese have no need for the characters.

Another matter is that the citation to the article in question should be in the footnote, not in a separate section listing the works cited in the footnotes.

There is an extensive (!) discussion of this question on my Talk Page Here Cheers! ch (talk) 18:03, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

I don't think the lack of Chinese names necessarily means that is the established practice that other editors agree with. I think it means either nobody has gotten around to adding the Chinese names to those pages, or that there is no way to determine the Chinese name of the said author. Also there are people who are interested in Chinese names (perhaps to do a quick Google search to see what else comes up about the author) but do not know how to write them down/type them. I often have to go on Wikipedia:Reference desk/Language to ask editors "what are the Chinese characters in this picture?" WhisperToMe (talk) 19:35, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

I only skimmed through the discussion on CWH's talk, so apologies if I missed anything. In general, I think it's helpful to include Chinese names, even for translated works (e.g. for many titles WhisperToMe asked me to find the Chinese original of, it involved quite a bit of Googling and deduction to figure out), but I find it unnecessary in this specific case, as the Chinese names / titles really aren't any more definitive than the English ones given that the original essay appears to have been in English. It also helps that no information is lost by not including the Chinese name, as the source document includes it and is available online. I think starting a stub on Liu Wu-Chi, including the Chinese name there and linking it is a solution that everyone can agree on, so I'll go ahead and do that. wctaiwan (talk) 21:43, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for starting the article :) WhisperToMe (talk) 01:23, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Let me add both my thanks to both of you for your outstanding work! I am entirely in favor of adding Chinese characters wherever it is 1) Wiki policy and 2) useful. I use Wikipedia all the time to check or find them for my work, so I am very dependent on your good will. ch (talk) 02:19, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Multi SIM Card and Multi-SIM card

Dear editors: I was about to nominate the above old stale Afc draft for deletion as a copyright violation of http://www.polarmtech.com/product/12-in-1-multi-sim-card, but that led me to Multi-SIM card. While there is less copyvio (but still some), it is also unsourced and the part removed seems to be the important security information and the fact that it may be illegal. I worry that people may be buying these cards on the basis of this article. Should anything be done here? —Anne Delong (talk) 13:53, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

How can I be assured of security of the page Quinton de Kock

Dear sir, I frequently edit the page Quinton de Kock who is a young emerging cricketer from South Africa. But two days ago, a Wikipedia user named User:Ytfc23 edited it and unnecessarily removed a list of his domestic centuries which was in the format of a wikitable. Now if non-users do such things, then we call it vandalism and the admins can semi-protect that article. But this is a case where a user is doing vandalism! If you even semi protect it, then you also can't prevent him from doing it as he is an user. And after I saw that table was missing, I again had to collect all the information to create the table again and it took a lot of time. Again if he does that, then again someone will have to update that! Please do something. Either warn him or manually protect the article from him. Please do something. Check his talk-page, he has been doing vandalism and removing facts in other cricket pages too. Thanks and regards. User:Itz arka —Preceding undated comment added 13:53, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

I would suggest that you read Wikipedia's definition of vandalism. As far as I can see, the actions of Ytfc23 do not meet that definition. His edit seemed quite reasonable, as it doesn't seem appropriate to list domestic centuries for each notable cricketer; of course if he is not notable in Wikipedia's terms, he should not have an article. The place to discuss edits is on the talk page of the article, in this case Talk:Quinton de Kock. You should not be edit warring instead of discussing the matter. - David Biddulph (talk) 14:09, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Itz arka, what should and should not be included in an article is a judgement call. Not every fact, even every verifiable fact, belongs in an article, or our articles would be so huge as to be useless. Articles are intended to summarize the existing published reliable writing on a subject. Note by they way that editors who do not choose to log in are also "users". "Vandalism" on Wikipedia means changes intended to harm the encyclopedia. If Ytfc23 intended the removal of the table to be an improvement, then it was not vandalism, even if you disagree, even if the consensus of other editors disagrees. This seems like a case of the WP:BRD cycle. An editor has made a bold edit. You have reverted it. Now the thing to do is to discuss the matter. That discussion should take place on Talk:Quinton de Kock. I urge you to start it by posting your reasons why you think the table should remain in the article. If you include a link to User:Itz arka, and if you sign your post (with four tildes "~~~~") then User:Itz arka will be notified of the discussion, just as both of you should be notified of this posting. Only if an editor continues to edit against an established consensus, or if an edit war develops (always a bad idea) would any sort of protection or sanction be considered. Remember to assume good faith and remain civil in the discussion. Other editors may well, in good faith, have very different ideas about the ideal content and layout of an article. DES ^(talk) 14:19, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Oh, I should add, Itz arka, if someone removes info from an article, it is still there in the history, and you can easily revert. there is no need to laboriously recompile information, unless you think the previous compilation was incorrect or incomplete or in some other way needs improvement rather than simply restoration. Perhaps that will make things seem less troubling. DES ^(talk) 16:09, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Oh I can realize it, but it may be the domestic twenty20 centuries but the list includes all his twenty20 centuries including domestic and international ones. But the fact is that he hasn't yet scored an international century in twenty20 cricket till now, that's why the list currently doesn't contain any international centuries. In case he scores one international century, I will be fascinated to include that too in the same list. And those two domestic centuries in the list are a bit popular ones, because the first one he scored in RamSlam Twenty20 tournament and that was the highest individual twenty20 score including international and domestic twenty20s played on South African soil. He broke the previous record of Chris Gayle which was an international century on South African soil. So certainly that's a popular and important century of De Kock. And the second century he scored in domestic twenty20 was in Champions League Twenty20 which is also a bit popular in cricketing nations, especially in the Indian subcontinent. So both of those should be included in his article. And talking about notability, David Biddulph, I would like to inform you that he is no more a domestic player and he has created some records in international cricket in last one month for South Africa. He has scored three successive centuries in three successive matches, a stint which was previously done by only 4 players in the history of One Day International Cricket. He has also become the highest scorer EVER in a three-match One Day International series. You can notice it by checking the recent 'page view statistics' of his article in Wikipedia. So he will certainly become a 'notable' person in terms of Wikipedia in very near future and his article is well valid to be kept in Wikipedia. Thanks and Ragards. Itz arka (talk) 16:25, 11 December 2013 (UTC) Itz arka (talk) 16:39, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

I still feel that it isn't reasonable to list all domestic T20 centuries, but (as I said earlier) the place to discuss it is on the article talk page. If a particular innings is specifically notable, it might reasonably be mentioned in the text (with an appropriate reference). You ought to be careful about saying things like "... he will certainly become a 'notable' person in terms of Wikipedia", see Wikipedia:Up and coming next big thing. As it happens, I think his record probably does already make him notable, see WP:notability (sports), but if not the article would have to wait until he is. - David Biddulph (talk) 16:42, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Fortunately, having played international cricket for South Africa (albeit ODI's not Test matches) de Kock is already notable, because the belief that someone will become a notable person at some point in the future holds no weight here whatsoever.
(PS I think user DES may have got a little confused in his advice above, I think he meant to say "If you include a link to User:Ytfc23" and if you sign your post (with four tildes "~~~~") then User:Ytfc23 will be notified of the discussion" - there would be little point in User:Itz arka, notifying themselves.) - Arjayay (talk) 16:50, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Yes I did get the names backward, Arjayay. Sorry for any confusion i may have caused you, Itz arka. But I would point out that this page is a poor place for debating what should or should not go into the article. The article talk page would be much better. This thread will be archived shortly, and be hard for anyone looking at the article to find, or even know that it exists. Please move debate on whether the list should or should not be included, and any other content debates, to the article talk page, linked above. DES ^(talk) 16:57, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Or move to the WT:CRIC cricket project talk page, where there is already some consensus that this kind of detail on domestic cricket centuries isn't really appropriate. Johnlp (talk) 19:08, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

yes, according to the cricket notability in wikipedia, De Kock is a notable cricketer. it is stated that one should appear in a major cricket match since 1697. and De Kock appeared in 16 Major ODIs and 10 Major T20Is and also scored many runs. so he is well ahead of notability... Itz arka (talk) 19:32, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

I don't think anyone there would dispute notability. What they might dispute is that we need to have every innings spelled out in detail, especially at domestic level; if they are noteworthy innings, describe them in text.Johnlp (talk) 23:39, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

basic spreadsheet functions with wikitables?

Hi Help Desk, I've been looking for the answer to this with no luck for the past hour. I'm trying to find out how to do (or whether it's possible to do) two things. For a table like the one below (but imagine it's exponentially longer), I want to know how to do two things:

Apples	Oranges	Tasty?
8	3	yes
1	0	yes
103	6	no
50	50	yes

1. How can I total the number of apples at the end of the first column?
2. How can I count the number of times "no" appears in the third column?

I'll leave out what I've tried so far in anticipation of an easy answer :)

Thanks! --— Rhododendrites ^talk |  17:15, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

This page is for asking questions about using and editing Wikipedia. For computing questions, you could try WP:RD/C, but you would probably need to say which spreadsheet software you are using, as the commands will vary between them. - David Biddulph (talk) 17:21, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

I assume the question is about Wikipedia tables. We don't have such functions. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:24, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Well, yes, on Wikipedia of course. @PrimeHunter: - is that definitive? (Sorry for cynicism -- too used to people giving absolute, unqualified answers based only on anecdotal evidence on e.g. Yahoo Answers). --— Rhododendrites ^talk |  19:29, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

If there are such function in wiki-markup, I am not aware of them either, nor does Help:Table mention them. Not do HTML tables include such functionality, at least not without some sort of specialized javascript library function being included. I think PrimeHunter is correct here. DES ^(talk) 21:40, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

It's definitely not possible with only wiki markup within the page. mw:Help:Tables and meta:Help:Table don't mention anything either. It's possible that an advanced user script, Lua module or template could be coded to do something similar, but it would be hard to work with. A user script would need to make an edit to store the current value if it should be seen or used by users without the script. A Lua module could theoretically take a whole page as input and do all sorts of things with it, for example add or count values in tables. Finally, if the table was not saved as a table in the page but instead passed as parameters to a special template then the template could return a table consisting of the input parameters plus an extra row with a sum or count. I haven't heard of anyone attempting any of these solutions, and I will certainly not do it. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:07, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Need to link Commons account

I recently changed my username from Jmeeter to Skarz. Everything was successful however I noticed my Commons account is still under Jmeeter. How do I ago about renaming my Commons account to Skarz so the Wikipedia and Commons accounts are unified? Thanks! teratogen (talk) 18:39, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

You have visited Commons while logged in to the unified account Skarz. That means commons:User:Skarz was automatically created and belongs to you. I don't know whether commons:User:Jmeeter can usurp commons:User:Skarz when the latter belongs to a unified account, but you could request it at Commons:Changing username/Usurp requests. commons:User:Jmeeter only has 16 edits. Is it OK to just abandon that account? You can link the two accounts together with a message or redirect on the user pages. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:22, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: 16 edits may seem insignificant but they are images I have uploaded to the Commons in the public domain. I'd prefer they stay linked to my account if that makes sense. I will be uploading new images in the future and would like my library to be 'complete.' Also, the page you linked to doesn't exist. (Commons:Changing username/Usurp requests) teratogen (talk) 19:28, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Try here: Commons:Commons:Changing username/Usurp requests -- John of Reading (talk) 20:47, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

I forgot to stutter: Commons:Commons:Changing username/Usurp requests. I see you have already made the request. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:48, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your help. Heh yeah I made my request, some searching helped me find the correct page. :p teratogen (talk) 21:05, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Tag for incomplete reference

Is there an inline tag to label a broken/incomplete reference - such as a reference to an online document but the url is missing? Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 18:51, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

{{Full}} does this job. -- John of Reading (talk) 19:01, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks - exactly what I'm looking for. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 20:16, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

How to edit: The Mind Parasites

Hi, In the wake of British author Colin Wilson's death, although (by some dinosaur miracle) I was able to successfully edit "Reprints" and correct reprint years of Oneiric press' edition of The Mind Parasites, I was unable to complete the editorial correction in the topmost section ("Publication History") that discusses reprints and fails to mention Oneiric Press. To that paragraph, I wished to add the following:

>>==Publication history==

The novel was published earlier in 1967 by Arthur Barker (London), but with a different introduction. It was then reprinted by Oneiric Press (Berkeley,CA) from 1967-75, initially by Michael Besher (aka Misha PanZobop; Paris, France; then along with his brother Alexander Besher, later a Philip K. Dick Award nominated author who was heavily influenced by Wilson's work ever since he read The Mind Parasites when he was a sophomore at Sophia University, Tokyo, Japan, 1967, at which point he referred the novel to his brother, who was one of the co-founders of the Shambhala Bookstore, Berkeley, CA and Shambhala Publications/Random House. The entire editorial thrust of Oneiric Press was to keep The Mind Parasites in print; a task in which they were aided by Berkeley-based book distributors Book People. <https://openlibrary.org/works/OL102107W/The_mind_parasites>

After having input this info, I was asked for >>ref<< and when I input the ref. >>https://openlibrary.org/works/OL102107W/The_mind_parasites<, it all got screwed up. I went to your live chat for help but for the life of me was unable to input a single keystroke of a character in response to the moderator's addressing me.

Who am I? I'm listed as an entry on Wikipedia myself. ref. Alexander Besher — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexbesher (talk • contribs) 19:19, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

I corrected the ref. Ruslik_Zero 19:30, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Michaella Vicente

Hello again, everyone. This stale draft has never been submitted at Afc, but it looks well developed. There doesn't seem to be a Wikiproject Wrestling. Can someone suggest a place to ask for advice about it? I know nothing about the subject myself. —Anne Delong (talk) 19:47, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

I followed a couple of links from the draft to other articles and looked on their talk pages. That turned up a banner mentioning Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling. You could try there. -- John of Reading (talk) 19:51, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Ah! Thanks for the detective work. I've left a message there. —Anne Delong (talk) 03:02, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

Looking for someone

Hello , I am from Norway and look for a man with name , he has been a bad person to me. This man have taken all the money I have by beeing nice and talking about married, and he have set me up by sending money to Englang, I have connected polic in Norway, and they help me. But please tried to find this man for me. He told me that he is looked up with the jail . he told me that ha needed money for tax evasion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.212.45.61 (talk) 19:58, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 4 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck.Template:Z25--ukexpat (talk) 20:09, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

We cannot offer legal advice. Please see the legal disclaimer. Contact a lawyer. CTF83! 20:11, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

I have removed the names from your post in line with Wikipedia's policy on statements about living people. -- John of Reading (talk) 20:45, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Does the Reference Desk have an IRC channel?

Not much else to say. --XndrK (talk · contribs · count) 21:21, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

I don't see one mentioned at WP:IRC.--ukexpat (talk) 20:23, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Use texts from Socientize project website, socialmedia, youtube in Socientize Project Wikipedia article

Hello

I had composed an article for the Socientize Project I am currently working at.

I had taken texts from www.socientize.eu website, and one Bot says to me I'm copying from Socientize captions on our You Tube videos.

¿What must I do?

Thank you.

Manuel Pérez in behalf of www.socientize.eu — Preceding unsigned comment added by Socientize Project (talk • contribs) 23:43, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

You are not allowed to copy-and-paste from existing sources to fill a Wikipedia article, even if you control the sources in question. —Jeremy v^_^v ^Bori! 00:04, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

December 11

Wikipedian photographers by location

Is there a list of Wikipedian photographers by location (e.g., Wikipedian photographers in New York)? It's not in Category:Wikipedian photographers and I think there might be one in a project page. -- Jreferee (talk) 03:16, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

OK, I found one - Wikipedia:Wikipedians/Photographers. -- Jreferee (talk) 03:19, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

There's also Category:Wikipedians in Manhattan and her sisters and her cousins and her aunts, though it doesn't specify which of us are Wikiphotographers. Jim.henderson (talk) 03:37, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Adding categories

This article has not been added to any categories. Please help out by adding categories to it so that it can be listed with similar articles!

Many thanks. AdonisGalloway (talk) 04:07, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

I've added a couple. Just so you know, you can do this yourself. Check the article history to see how I did it. It's not hard. I've also put a welcome message on your talk page that has some helpful links. Dismas|^(talk) 04:18, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! I'm trying to find small articles to edit bit by bit so i won't ruin anything! I will look at how you did it. Thank you for the welcome! AdonisGalloway (talk) 04:24, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

edits and deletes

How can I become an auto editor so that i can make a contribution to a semi-protected page?

I have made contributions only to wathc them be deleted.--Artistador (talk) 04:11, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

According to the edit summaries of the editors that came after you, your edits weren't worth keeping and thus were reverted. I would suggest learning a bit more about Wikipedia and editing before you get concerned about whether or not you are auto-confirmed. The links that are in the welcome message on your talk page are a good place to start. Dismas|^(talk) 04:21, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

[Solved] Is using a .css file possible in User Namespace?

I've been around Wikipedia since 2008, but have only done minor things. I'm looking to get more involved, and decided to properly set up my User page (which I more or less never really bothered doing before). I'd like to link all my subpages to a .css file (which I've already made here), but I can't figure out how to make all my other pages call on it for the css information.

It just seems like it'd be a smarter way of themeing the entire page/subpages than duplicating all my css on each time I call a h3 or table, and if anyone knows how to make it transclude the information for styling (but NOT actually printing it on the page itself), I'd greatly appriciate any help you can offer! k2trf (talk) 04:33, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

I have a .css file at User:Dismas/vector.css, so it's possible... Dismas|^(talk) 04:59, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

I'm aware that certain .css and .js subpages can exist if one wants to modify the css/js of the skin for Wikipedia as a whole; what I'm looking to do is be able to define the background, foreground, text color, etc. for each element on my User page in one .css subpage (or as a subpage without an extension, if that would work instead), so that instead of having <table ''Loads of CSS here''>''Text here''</table> each time I want to specify a box to put things in, I can do it globally via one file/page & a transclusion.

I'm just not sure if what I'm trying to do can be done through MediaWiki, or if it has to be a page or .css (I've got it as a .css right now, and am stuck at getting other pages to transclude & call on it, but not actually print it. k2trf (talk) 07:36, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Any styling you set up in a personal .css file will only take effect when you look at your user page. Instead, you could move your start-of-table and end-of-table markup into templates named User:K2trf/Start table and User:K2trf/End table. In the "start table" page, stick {{{1}}}} as a placeholder where the table header text should go. Then, on your user pages, you can replace the start-of-table styling with {{User:K2trf/Start table|Actual header text}} and the end-of-table styling with {{User:K2trf/End table}}. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:38, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Ahhh... that's what I thought might be the case. Thanks for the point in the right direction! What I was looking to do is centralize all such css information so I can recolor/reskin my Userpages easily when I want to chenge them - is it possible to grab just a portion of a page during transclusion? If it is, I could just put in the headers for everything somewhat similarly (though not quite as neatly), and accomplish approximately the same effect. k2trf (talk) 07:44, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

YES! It seems I can, if I RTFM! XD Many thanks for pointing me in the right direction and telling me that I could not accomplish such a thing with a .css page - I wasn't sure if I could or not! k2trf (talk) 08:27, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Magic word DISPLAYTITLE not working?

I would like to ask for help because I used the magic word {{DISPLAYTITLE}} to display the title of my user page but it does not seem to be correctly displayed. Click "Edit" to see the source code. If you answered, please notify me on my talk page. --Huang (talk) 09:54, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

I had this same issue myself a while back - turned out you can't use DISPLAYTITLE in userspace to display the title as alternative text. You can use it to italicise your username, or change the font, but the text string has to be the same. You'll need to file a full change of username request if you want that to be your username. Yunshui 雲‍水 10:06, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

I wonder why other Wikipedias like the Chinese Wikipedia allows it but English Wikipedia doesn't. --Huang (talk) 10:58, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

I couldn't say - presumably their equivalent of DISPLAYTITLE is coded differently. Yunshui 雲‍水 11:04, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

You can use User:One/Title to make a pseudo-DISPLAYTITLE. ~HueSatLum 12:56, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

So you can. That's a useful tip, thanks! Yunshui 雲‍水 13:03, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

mw:Manual:$wgRestrictDisplayTitle is true by default but set to false for the Chinese Wikipedia and some other wikis at http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=InitialiseSettings.php. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:44, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi

Where is a good place to start if you are new? And can I start fixing mistakes right away? Thank you - SCARECROW 09:57, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi Iamthescarecrow, welcome to Wikipedia. The best place to start is probably the tutorial, although you might enjoy the recently developed Wikipedia Adventure. As to mistakes - if you see 'em, fix 'em! There's no waiting period; you can start editing straight away. Yunshui 雲‍水 10:02, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia, Iamthescarecrow. If you are fixing spelling, grammar, etc., that's great. If you are correcting information, though, be sure to include a citation to a reliable source so that others can see how you know that your information is correct (see WP:Referencing for beginners if you aren't familiar with citations). Good luck! —Anne Delong (talk) 18:06, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Thank you Yunshui and Anne. Both of those links are helpful. - SCARECROW 23:26, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Creating "bulk" pages

I'm in the process of moving an extensive personally researched database of atomic testing information onto wikipedia. I've done the most (but not quite finished) of the American data onto the appropriate pages (such as Operation Emery and Operation Castle); this is mainly the tabular data on these pages, and looking at the history before and after my edits (as "SkoreKeep") will demonstrate the sort of changes I'm doing. Having done most of the American data, I now must plow into that of other nuclear countries; the USSR is where I'm starting that. There is an existing page List of nuclear weapons tests of the Soviet Union which is a start of a list as it says, but it is only about 25% complete and its not obvious it will ever be completed. At any rate, I'd like to delete that page and introduce a series of about 40 pages, similar in number to the equivalent US pages, except arranged by year rather than "test series", which was just an American way of naming fiscal year nuclear testing programs. To begin with the pages would be stamped out by a database output program so they would be cookie-cutter similar, though they could/would be later hand-edited like all other pages in wikipedia.

I'd like to establish them in bulk rather than trying to go through the sandbox/registration route for each page. I don't have deep experience with wikipedia (particularly the administrative end), so I don't know if it is possible or whether there is a way to do it established. Some pointers from said administration, a procedure perhaps, would be greatly appreciated. If needed, I can stamp a typical year out for looking at, with a day's notice.

One other thing - I am sometimes out of town and cannot get on the internet, sometimes for a couple of weeks at a time, the curse and enjoyment of retirement, so have patience if I don't get back immediately. Please park a copy of the reply on my talk page, if the normal page archives itself away in less time than that, or tell me how to handle it. I've been communicating with the copyright people, and the regular posts there get archived and disappear. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SkoreKeep (talk • contribs) 18:54, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Unfortunately, we cannot accept your original research. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 21:26, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Pardon me, but where in the above did I say or intimate that the data is "material—such as facts, allegations, and ideas—for which no reliable, published sources exist."? I have added nothing to the data that I hold except for database structure, research to verify the data in the database and maintain the trail of evidence as it exists. I have hugely expanded the references on the pages I've edited. The data in the database was, almost without exception, created by other sources. I've only changed its media.

Perhaps, something on the original question that I've raised, if you please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by SkoreKeep (talk • contribs) 03:44, 12 December 2013‎ (UTC)

App vs browser

Hiya

My question is very simple (so has probably been addressed, and numpty here simply can't find what she wants, she's not well and it's affecting her brain). Why is it that I can search for a topic in the iOS app, come up dry, but find it immediately when I Google it (99% of the time the relevant article is the first result)...? Okay, I accept that some of the topics are quite obscure (bands I remember from my youth, and wonder if they're still around, for example).

How is it decided what topics make it to the app, and what don't...? I always assumed the app was simply a portal for the main site, evidently I was wrong in that assumption.

Seems to me that making it a portal would be easier, rather than Wikipedia Lite.

Is there any chance that, one day, it WILL reflect the content of the main site...?

Thank you

Sarah — Preceding unsigned comment added by Margolotta (talk • contribs) 20:47, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Our own internal search engine is quite poor, in the desktop version as well as the iOS. The consensus of the Wikimedia community is that we don't want to spend the money and programming brains we have available to us in reinventing the search engine. Instead, our programmers concentrate on things only we can do, like improving the user interface and creating more powerful anti-vandalism tools.

You are doing what most of us do: using an external search engine to search within Wikipedia itself. --Orange Mike | Talk 21:41, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

something Wikipedia can do that would generate funds

I have an idea of something Wikipedia can do that would generate funds.

Whom should I contact? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 159.36.0.199 (talk) 21:18, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Based on Wikipedia:Contact_us_-_Donors, you should contact donate@wikimedia.org. RudolfRed (talk) 00:33, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

See also meta:Fundraising. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:14, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

Multi-page move proposal

My recent move proposal to move L'OuvreTemps to The Time Opener was closed as "not moved", because the album has not yet received an official English title (and by the looks of things, won't do so in almost a decade from now either). Now, out of consistency reasons, I want to propose that all the other Valérian and Laureline albums that haven't been translated yet should be moved to their original French titles. How do I go about doing this? JIP | Talk 21:40, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:RPM#Requesting_controversial_and_potentially_controversial_moves, There is a section for multiple moves. CTF83! 00:58, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

Christmas trees

hi my name is taylor

what are Christmas trees for — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.76.167.220 (talk) 23:05, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Mostly decoration. Please see the Christmas tree article. And if you have further questions, the reference desk would be the better place for them. This page is for questions about how to edit Wikipedia. The reference desk is the place for general knowledge questions. Dismas|^(talk) 23:38, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

December 12

Italic text in page title doesn't work

Hi! I recently moved the page "Benjamin Wade (Survivor contestant)" to Benjamin Wade (''Survivor'' contestant). I was trying to do this because Survivor is the name of a TV program and, thus, should be italicized. But the normal way to Italicize text (putting those marks around the text, like this) didn't work in this situation, as the word Survivor is not Italicized at all, but instead appears with those marks around it. Is there a way to fix this? What's different about Wiki markup when it comes to page names? Survivorfan1995 (talk) 00:50, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

Look at {{DISPLAYTITLE}} for how to change the the display of a title, such as adding italics. RudolfRed (talk) 00:59, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

I have moved the article back. There is no way to just italicize the word Survivor in the title. Either the whole title is italicized or none of it. GB fan 01:00, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

Not true GB...{{DISPLAYTITLE:Benjamin Wade (''Survivor'' contestant)}} will do it, and I have made the change. CTF83! 01:02, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

Learn something new every day. GB fan 01:04, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

Edit deemed nonconstructive

I just worked on the Ouran Host Club anime episode summary page. Cleaned up grammar and spelling. Also edited the text to reflect what the anime actually depicts, which is different from the manga and which the previous editor used as reference leading to inaccuracies in the summaries. When I saved the page, I was told that a report had been made but I saved it again because I know the edit is legit. I was told to report the "report" and so, here I am. Also...when I made an edit on the Ouran High School Host Club characters page and saved the page, an interim message came up that was nasty and derogutory. Please remove it. I really don't need to know that some editor out there sucks dicks. A little class would be nice but some people apparently lack same. Thanks for your help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Luxartisan (talk • contribs) 02:03, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

I did not find any report made to your user name (see this). Your 8th edit to Wikipedia added +7,177 bytes (count up eight from the bottom here) The WP:AUTOCONFIRM feature requires at least 10 edits. The few number of edits, plus the large change, plus perhaps some word(s) in your edit triggered an automatic computer response to this edit. I'm not sure what interim message you are referring to, perhaps the "(Tag: possible BLP issue or vandalism)" added to your edit summary. That can't be removed. However, please consider revising the nasty and derogatory text in your post above. -- Jreferee (talk) 02:46, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

An automated filter detected you edited a page with "school" in the name and added content which sounded inappropriate for an article about a school. The article List of Ouran High School Host Club episodes is clearly not about a school but such things can be hard to tell for a computer program. There are unfortunately many students who vandalize articles about their school. The filter tries to warn about that. Just blame it on dumb computers. I also don't know what interim message you refer to. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:58, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

User Biruitorul on Tismaneanu page is continually erasing a quote from a well-established Romanian politics authority Michael Shafir by using spurious complaints, thank you

• Vladimir Tismăneanu (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

(cur | prev) 02:35, 12 December 2013‎ Cimbalistu (talk | contribs)‎ . . (139,696 bytes) (+859)‎ . . (The format is proper. The previous time you deleted you invoked "(he was probably not a US citizen when he was still a Marxist)" which has nothing to do with the text. You clearly intend to censor this article. You clearly fear the truth!) (undo) (cur | prev) 23:45, 1 December 2013‎ Biruitorul (talk | contribs)‎ . . (138,837 bytes) (-859)‎ . . (please format properly) (undo | thank) (cur | prev) 20:14, 24 August 2013‎ Cimbalistu (talk | contribs)‎ m . . (139,696 bytes) (+859)‎ . . (reinserting sourced material by Michael Shafir, an authority on Romanian politics) (undo)

(cur | prev) 17:30, 2 May 2013‎ Biruitorul (talk | contribs)‎ . . (138,796 bytes) (-813)‎ . . (he was probably not a US citizen when he was still a Marxist) (undo | thank)

the quote in question is the following: In his 2010 book Radio-Grafii şi alte fobii [pp. 308–309], Michael Shafir picked up the story from there: "A true farce followed. On the one hand, the Civic Alliance's vicepresident Sorin Ilieşiu, a person close to Tismăneanu, reacted by putting the word 'analyst' in quotes, so that the journalist Andrei Bădin could then 'demonstrate' that Hall was no longer a CIA analyst, but had only served a probationary period of six months. The person who was the target of the criticism knew better: Hall had published in the journal which he had headed until recently (East European Politics and Societies). And therefore he picked up the phone and yelled at Richard Hall's superior, in a scene that could have been straight out of Stalinism for All Seasons."[91]

^ Michael Shafir, Radio-grafii si alte fobii, Iasi: Institutul European, 2010 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cimbalistu (talk • contribs) 02:43, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

So your position is that Michael Shafir made some statements in his 2010 book, and in 2008, referring to such claims, Tismăneanu asked some questions regarding such claims?[2] -- Jreferee (talk)

Thank you for your response. Biruitorul has been deleting this quote from a published book by a highly credible source. The first time Biruitorul did it, he deleted it claiming it said something about Tismaneanu having been a Marxist. Clearly, the quote that he deleted says nothing of the like. The second time he did it, he invoked format, yet his only point was a missing diacritical. It would appear the content bothers Biruitorul. Tismaneanu's 2008 quote clearly has nothing to do with a book that wasn't published until two years later. Indeed, in the text of the 2008 article citing Tismaneanu Hall isn't even mentioned. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cimbalistu (talk • contribs) 04:07, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

You posted the quote in the wrong place in the article because where you chose to post it makes it look like Tismăneanu is replying in the year 2008 to a year 2010 quote, which is impossible. As for whether the quote can/should be posted in the article, you may want to first post a thread on the article talk page and invite User:Biruitorul to discuss the issue. In general, the steps at Wikipedia:Dispute resolution should be followed. The Vladimir Tismăneanu is one of the worst biographies I've seen in a while. Most of those views and opinions by others about Tismăneanu do not belong in that biography because the topic of that article is the life events of Tismăneanu, not what others who are not qualified to make critical analysis of Tismăneanu's life events think about Tismăneanu. The Albert Einstein article is 105,817 bytes[3] and the 1951-born Vladimir Tismăneanu article is 137,571 bytes.[4] I don't think Vladimir Tismăneanu's life has more notable events than Albert Einstein's life. You can trim the Vladimir Tismăneanu first by removing any information source to Vladimir Tismăneanu himself since it is not independent of Tismăneanu himself. Second, remove the opinions of others about Tismăneanu, his writing, his views, from the article when those opinions are not critical analysis or are not from someone qualified to make critical analysis about Tismăneanu, his writing, his views. -- Jreferee (talk) 13:59, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

Also, I do agree with you that Biruitorul needs to base his decisions on Wikipedia policies and guidelines, not personal views. Looking over the article history page,[5] you both would benefit from reading/rereading the edit summary conduct policy and Help:Edit summary. -- Jreferee (talk) 14:12, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

I certainly do base my edits on policy. When a new user with an agenda (and one who happens only to edit on one topic so far, and starts off his Wikipedia career with an insult ("better a cymbalist than an eternal Stalinist") probably does have an agenda, indeed could be a sockpuppet of User:Anittas) comes in and degrades an well-written article, of course we need to either fix or remove that material.

And really, "one of the worst biographies I've seen in a while"? You are certainly entitled to your own opinions, but there are two things to be said here. First, prior to its current state, the article was a battleground of fringe editors/IPs insisting on portraying Tismăneanu as an evil Jewish communist. The problem was even worse on Romanian Wikipedia - indeed, although there were attempts to fix it, for almost two years, it's mentioned his Jewish origins in its first line, which are simply not that relevant. Anyway, second, of course others' opinions of Tismăneanu are relevant, provided those opinions are expressed by the right people in the right venues. (A matter of editorial judgement, but I think the article strikes a good balance.) First we detail life events, then analysis. He's an important public figure who's been commented on extensively, and we would not be giving readers a full picture were we to omit that. - Biruitorul ^Talk 15:14, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

I wouldn't say that it is the worst biography that I've ever seen, I'd say that it is one of the worst that hasn't been obvious vandalism/joke article. There is *no* way that 20 pages of analysis of every book he's published belong in a wikipedia article. It is almost twice the length of the biography of Czech President Vaclav Havel (To pick the first modern Eastern European that I thought of).Naraht (talk) 15:59, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

Creating a page

Where, - How can you get to the part where you can create articles on Wikipedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zachog1000 (talk • contribs) 06:44, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

See these instructions here: Wikipedia:Your first article. Mlpearc (open channel) 06:50, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia won't let me copy/paste to Windows Live Mail anymore

AS of 12/11/13, if I try to copy a snippet of an article from Wikipedia, it lets me copy it, but when I try to paste it into the body of an e-mail in Windows Live Mail, it will not let me. If I try to paste using CTRL-V, it does nothing. It acts as if there is nothing in my clipboard. But if I right click and select PASTE, it crashes Windows Live Mail.

At first, I thought it was an issue with Windows Live Mail for some reason not being able to handle rich text since most Wikipedia articles have hyperlinks every line or so with footnotes, etc. But I have no problems copying and pasting rich text, with links and all, from other sites. And I never had this problem with Wikipedia before yesterday, and I know for a fact it worked fine just this past weekend. So something has changed on some end t suddenly cose WLM to crash from Wikipedia links. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.67.106.1 (talk) 08:36, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

I don't know whether you are copying direct from Wikipedia articles, or from their edit pages so as to include the hyperlinks etc. But either way, what you are putting into your clipboard is just a string of characters. If pasting a string of characters into WLM causes WLM to crash, then there is something wrong with WLM. Maproom (talk) 09:07, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

Though – just a guess – maybe it's really something wrong with the browser you are using to look at Wikipedia. What happens if you use a different browser to copy a snippet into your clipboard? Maproom (talk) 09:10, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

Template:DISPLAYTITLE

I can't seem to find a reason why we italicize words in titles (Rosebud (The Simpsons) for example, where the show title is italicized but we don't use quotation marks around the episode title. CTF83! 10:57, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

The policy is at WP:TITLEFORMAT. Enter "quotation marks" in the archive search box at Wikipedia talk:Article titles for discussions. Quotation marks are separate characters and not just styling. I think they would look awful in article headings, categories and other places, especially when the whole name is in quotation marks. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:30, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

Links to SeacoastNH.com or J. Dennis Robinson

I am the webmaster for SeacoastNH.com The site is built in joomla and we use the extension SEFAdvance that used to use underscores (__) in links, but the new version doesn't allow underscores and instead uses dashes (-) in links. Consequently many of the links and references on wiki that use the old underscored links now present 404 errors. I've been able to go in and edit many of the links on wiki but items in reflists are not available to me. There is an example on this page: Foster's Daily Democrat. Here is the 404 link that's on the page: http://www.seacoastnh.com/History/As_I_Please/The_Newspaper_Riot_of_1865/ Here is an example of the correct link: http://www.seacoastnh.com/History/As-I-Please/The-Newspaper-Riot-of-1865/ Is there a way for me to change these links globally? Can I access the reflists to make changes to the bad links on the site? Any help is appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adcetera692 (talk • contribs) 14:25, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

Post a request at Wikipedia:Bot requests to have a bot coded to go around and change the seacoastnh.com link underscores to dashes. -- Jreferee (talk) 14:33, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

Jreferee's advice sounds like a good way to go (I'm glad he/she answered because I didn't know of a way to do this globally) -- but for future reference if you edit the page for Foster's, you should be able to do a find and replace through your web browser to track down the links. What might be confusing is that the references/notes at the bottom are actually footnotes written within the article text. When I searched for "seacoast" on that page I found the link you referred to in this block of text:

Foster was already known, by then, as a political firebrand; one of his previous publishing ventures had been the States and Union, a pro-slavery paper in nearby Portsmouth, New Hampshire, during the American Civil War.<ref>Robinson, J. Dennis. "[http://seacoastnh.com/History/As_I_Please/The_Newspaper_Riot_of_1865/ The Newspaper Riot of 1865]". SeacoastNH.com, accessed August 9, 2007.</ref>

The <ref></ref> tags create a footnote. As long as you change the link there, you'll be good. I went ahead and fixed that one myself. --— Rhododendrites ^talk |  14:40, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

create a new page

I want to create a page for my husband and wellknown singer Mr. Aziz Naza, and want to know, how can I create a page in encyclopedia, please help — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mumtaz Naza (talk • contribs) 17:24, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

I created a Commons account - can I add an image to an article?

I would like to add an image to this article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elaine_Turner

But I don't want to have to make 10 edits to other articles before being able to add it. I work for Elaine Turner and we own the image, so copyright is not an issue. Can I still add the image after adding it to the Commons?

Thanks, Kristin Elaineturner (talk) 17:32, 12 December 2013 (UTC)