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*Agreed with a 2 week block. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:Sandstein|<font style="color:white;background:blue;font-family:sans-serif;">''' Sandstein '''</font>]]</span></small> 20:41, 29 July 2014 (UTC) |
*Agreed with a 2 week block. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:Sandstein|<font style="color:white;background:blue;font-family:sans-serif;">''' Sandstein '''</font>]]</span></small> 20:41, 29 July 2014 (UTC) |
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*Though this complaint might have been organized better, it does appear to show John Carter violating his interaction ban from Ignocrates. A two-week block is appropriate. The comments by John Carter that are quoted don't put him in a good light. Note that two sections above are not pertinent and should be struck out: 'Diffs of previous relevant sanctions' as well as the entire section about discretionary sanctions. This arbitration case does not provide any discretionary sanctions. [[User:EdJohnston|EdJohnston]] ([[User talk:EdJohnston|talk]]) 01:17, 30 July 2014 (UTC) |
*Though this complaint might have been organized better, it does appear to show John Carter violating his interaction ban from Ignocrates. A two-week block is appropriate. The comments by John Carter that are quoted don't put him in a good light. Note that two sections above are not pertinent and should be struck out: 'Diffs of previous relevant sanctions' as well as the entire section about discretionary sanctions. This arbitration case does not provide any discretionary sanctions. [[User:EdJohnston|EdJohnston]] ([[User talk:EdJohnston|talk]]) 01:17, 30 July 2014 (UTC) |
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Captain Occam
There is fairly clearly nothing to do, or that can be done, here. Black Kite (talk) 23:56, 26 July 2014 (UTC) |
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Captain Occam
linked above
The sanctioned editor appears to be using off-wiki forums regularly and persistently to run a drawer full of POV-pushing socks.
I visited the talk page for Captain Occam to attempt to give him notice, and I see that that what I post on his talk page is covered up by a template announcing that his access to that page is blocked. My 25 July 2014 attempt to notify him is in the talk page history. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk, how I edit) 23:48, 25 July 2014 (UTC) Discussion concerning Captain OccamStatements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by MaunusI donøt understand the request. Captain Occam is not editing, he is offering off-wiki advise about how to edit to people who are otherwise mostly clueless nuisances. I think that can only be good. Those people are going to edit anyway. This way at least they have an introduction to how to go about it. Also at this point I should disclose that I have consulted with Occam about my recent edits to the Race and Intelligence article. This is a necessity because there are no editors currently on wiki with interest and expertise in the hereditarian view which needs to be represented in the article. User:Maunus ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 17:07, 26 July 2014 (UTC) Statement by CollectWhat precisely are you seeking? Your talk page post is not covered up by a template - the page was hatted by Beeblebrox, which appears a reasonable act. You are not being prevented from doing anything there as far as I can tell. More to the point, what actual acts do you wish the committee to exert over off-wiki sites? King Canute is not currently serving on the committee that I am aware of. Collect (talk) 00:06, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
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Khabboos
Summarily declined as unclear. Please resubmit with a link to the remedy to be enforced and to dated diffs that explain how these edits are problematic. Sandstein 08:23, 28 July 2014 (UTC) |
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Khabboos
The topic banned Khabboos is back with a vengeance: Here is his failed appeal of his existing topic ban: He has also been properly warned about his disruptive behavior in the pseudoscience/fringe area: The person who started the following thread, User:John19322, is very likely a sock of Khabboos (or someone else): TenOfAllTrades correctly questioned him at the end of that thread. Here's what he wrote:
Obviously John19322 is a sock of someone who posted above....He blew his cover! This is the type of amateurish mistake Khabboos and User:Dr.Jhingaadey could make. I will notify Khabboos. -- Brangifer (talk) 06:30, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
Khabboos should be topic banned in the alternative medicine/pseudoscience/fringe area, "widely construed." He should likely be blocked for sockpuppetry as well. A likely suspect is one of the numerous socks of the indef banned User:Dr.Jhingaadey. They share numerous behaviors, obsessions, POV, and amateurish use of socks. -- Brangifer (talk) 06:30, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
Discussion concerning KhabboosStatements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by KhabboosStatement by (username)Result concerning KhabboosThis section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above. Summarily declined as unclear. Please resubmit with a link to the remedy to be enforced and to dated diffs that explain how these edits are problematic. Be advised that continued unspecific or unproven accusations of sockpuppetry may result in sanctions against yourself. Sandstein 08:23, 28 July 2014 (UTC) |
Monochrome monitor
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Request concerning Monochrome monitor
- User who is submitting this request for enforcement
- Zero0000 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 10:50, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
- User against whom enforcement is requested
- Monochrome monitor (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Search CT alerts: in user talk history • in system log
- Sanction or remedy to be enforced
- ARBPIA :
- Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
- 09:03, 28 July 2014 First revert
- 08:42–09:33, 28 July 2014 Second revert
- Regarding the first revert: The text deleted was first introduced in 2011 but has been fought over countless times since then (I can supply a list of more than 20 diffs in which the text was modified in a hostile fashion). The most recent edits were in March this year: [1] [2] [3] [4]. The most recent of those can be taken as the reverted edit, if it is thought that a specific edit must be indicated.
- Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any
- 06:43, 10 July 2014 36 hour block for 1RR violation
- If discretionary sanctions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts)
- Given formal notification of ARBPIA discretionary sanctions [5]
- Previously given a discretionary sanction for conduct in the area of conflict on 10 July 2014 (as above) by Callanecc (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA).
- Participated in an arbitration request or enforcement procedure about the area of conflict in the last twelve months, Wikieditorpro section.
- Additional comments by editor filing complaint
I don't make reports like this unless I think we would be better off without the editor concerned. Shows a strong pattern of editing to a personal POV.
@Callanecc: I think that a ban would require a more extensive report than I have made, so in this instance I believe a temporary block would be adequate. Given this editor's recent block for the same offence, the block should be of duration appropriate to a repeat violation.
@Shrike: The first contiguous sequence of edits deleted existing text together with it's academic source. I wouldn't call it a revert if it was a mere rewording or replacement by a better source, but in fact it was deletion of cited text in order to substitute text with a different pov. Ergo, a revert.
@the panda: Actually I think the meaning of "revert" has been taken too literally recently and there is a danger of losing sight of the purpose of the rule, namely to suppress or at least slow down edit warring. I regard the first diff to be a revert, not just because it changes and deletes previous text but because it is done for the clear purpose of pressing one pov while deleting another. These edits removed two pieces of text, both well cited, that refer to the Palestinians having deep roots in Palestine, and inserted in the place of the first a reference only to recent times. This is one of the major point of contention in the subject and such a change is clearly edit-warring. In addition, the edit that deleted the sentence cited to scholar Alan Dowty had the edit summary "sentence flow, slight reword" which is very hard to see as a summary made in good faith. Zerotalk 12:15, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
@Sandstein @Monty : I have added to the complaints section an indication of which previous edit was reverted, of March this year. Zerotalk 10:53, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
- Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested
Discussion concerning Monochrome monitor
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Statement by Monochrome monitor
Okay, I didn't violate anything. That's just shoddy reporting. The first citation is my edit to the article. The second edit is me reverting someone who undid my edits to the article. I stopped advocating my edit after that. I did absolutely nothing wrong. --monochrome_monitor 11:01, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
- What the hell? It was one revert. My first was an edit and the second was a revert to that edit. And are you serious? You think wikipedia would be better off without me? That's absurd. If you read my edits they were not biased and I've been told that I've greatly improved NPOV by different editos. The fact that the same admin wants to report me is also absurd. --monochrome_monitor 11:12, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
- I did not mean to attack him ad hominem, if it was offensive I apologize. --monochrome_monitor 11:56, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
So it seems like we established that I didn't break one revert, can I leave this kangaroo court? I already apologized for the offense I didn't know that we couldn't refer to users even if we didn't address their names.
- @zero Your definition of revert isn't revert. And I did not substitute one POV for another. I used the prevailing POV—that Palestinians have roots in Palestine since 780ish, even the article admits Palestine wasn't Arab until then. This article endorses the historical revisionist view that Palestinians are all the the people who existed before them simultaneously. I was trying to make the article NPOV. The purpose of the article is obviously to promote the "palestinians as indigenous" narrative when it should address ALL narratives. I tried to use to most centrist narrative as possible. And as per the reference, I tried to add a reference from a more neutral source but broke the reference link so I deleted it. You don't need to presume that all of my actions have some sort of insidious intent. I just think moderation in this area is very important considering all the rhetoric right now and its accompanying violence. --monochrome_monitor 12:35, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
- So, yeah. I'm trying to make the article NPOV because it advocates a fringe idea. Just as scholars don't have a consensus on any Palestinian national identity, they don't have a consensus on Palestinian indigineity. However you spell that. I understand this will only further enrage the people who just want to see me reported, so be it. --monochrome_monitor 12:54, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
- Well, that's it from me I obviously didn't violate the rule though I was rude and I'm sorry for that. I just wish there was someone who could understand where I'm coming from here. The page needs changing, I tried to change it by adding statistics/date and not the research of some Palestinian guy.--monochrome_monitor 12:58, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
- @Nishidani "Like every other sentence"—nice ad hominem attack. How petty. "You made a grammatical error", hilarious. I usually fix grammatical errors as you yourself acknowledged in your reversion. Some of my edits in talk namespaces contain grammatical errors and I don't address them because the message is conveyed. Many other users make grammatical errors, yet you don't seem to care about them. Meanwhile, way to insult me by calling me "racist", an absurd and hypocritical accusation. I have not used one epithet except "antisemite", as you're a far-left anti-israel third-wordist with a talk page explicitly stating your contempt of Jewish editors and Israel. You consider Jews to be greedy land-grabbing colonialists and when someone calls you out you cry "racism". You call accepted demographic facts "talking points" just because they don't fit your fringe idea of Palestinians as some ancient civilization of peaceful olive-grove dwelling nomads. You assume that I have some insidious purpose because I (and any moderate person) disagree with you and the bias in this article. It does not present the mainstream opinion and instead uses an extreme as a default. I HAVE read the historical scholarship, including the historical revisionism peddled out by the likes of Yasser Arafat, and it's just that, revisionism. I'm not saying there are any "real owners", it's not some sort of blood-land feud, but this articles deliberately misleads the audience into thinking Arab Palestinians (who arrived in the late 8th century) are directly related to obsolete unrelated biblical entities. The fact that you consider Canaanites to be Palestinian, for example, proves I have legitimate concerns about your neutrality. My edit actually provided the definition of a Palestinian refugee, something it was missing, as well as a guide to the application of "Palestinian" vs "Israeli Arab".--monochrome_monitor 17:19, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
- @sandstein Thanks for adding your input. Please check my other edits, like those on Rachel Corrie which have been very well received, to see I'm just trying to add nuetrality. I was being aggressive towards that user but in my personal opinion that doesn't justify a topic ban considering the actual content of my edit is not questionable. I apologize for the edit summary, it was written halfway through editing and not updating. I think it would be reasonable to assume good faith since I wasn't subversive. On my complaints, check that user's (very inflammatory) talk page, he has been called antisemitic many times before. I'm just one of many to object. Instead of shooting the messenger, ask yourself if our objections are valid. Along with some obvious extremely anti-israel POV the user is also very condescending to users who disagree with him.--monochrome_monitor 18:19, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
For the record, Nishidani changed "I don't particularly mind the crude racist insults documented on my page" to something very different, making him guilt of exactly the same offense he is currently outraged for (calling him antisemitic). When I revised my edit he reinstated it to make a point, therefore I will put it here lest someone think he's above petty libels. --monochrome_monitor 19:15, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
- So anyway I'd really like to end the dispute it's really stressing me out. I hope you can understand my aggression as defensive when being targeted as breaking a rule I didn't even break. --monochrome_monitor 19:26, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
- Apologies to all. Especially Nishidani whom I addressed on his talk page. --monochrome_monitor 00:42, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
Statement by Shrike
Exactly to what version "the first revert" was reverting?--Shrike (talk)/WP:RX 11:07, 28 July 2014 (UTC) Also in general in past AE cases first edit was considered a revert if it was explicitly reverting something but this not a case as far a I can see.--Shrike (talk)/WP:RX 11:13, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
- @DangerousPanda Here is the past case [6]
Here what is written by User:Timotheus_Canens
I don't think DLDD's first edit is a revert. AE has repeatedly held that edits falling within the technical definition may nonetheless not qualify as a revert; in Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive73#SlimVirgin, for example, the first edit at issue removed an entire section, but it was nonetheless held to be not a revert
--Shrike (talk)/WP:RX 11:35, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
Statement by Johnuniq
I noticed that Monochrome monitor added then removed a comment at User talk:Nishidani. The removal edit summary was "deleted my question, convo with you will get me no where (blatant antisemite)
" (diff). The removed comment included "Looking at your page you seem to biased and a bit antisemitic, I think I'll consult more neutral parties
". MM should be informed that discussion about an article belongs on its talk page, and that attacks on other editors are not permitted. Johnuniq (talk) 11:22, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
Statement by Nomoskedasticity
This edit, referring to another editor as a "total tool", adds to my impression that Monochrome monitor is not going to make a constructive contribution to the I/P editing area. I was going to post about his calling Nishidani an anti-Semite as well, but I see that's already been addressed above. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 11:56, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
- Sandstein's fastidiousness is puzzling. The first revert indicated by Zero in the initial report is a revert insofar as it removes Dowty as a source and also changes "majority of the Muslims of Palestine, inclusive of Arab citizens of Israel, are descendants of Christians, Jews and other earlier inhabitants of the southern Levant whose core may reach back to prehistoric times" to "majority of the Muslims of Palestine, inclusive of Arab citizens of Israel, are closely related to Christians, Jews and other earlier inhabitants of the southern Levant" -- thus removing the notion of current residents being "descendants". It doesn't matter who originally added it -- what matters is that Monochome deleted it: a revert. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 19:32, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
Statement by Nishidani
'The article fails to history.' That, like every other sentence I've examined from monochrome writer, is ungrammatical. But the list of remarks that follows it, shows that this editor has zero knowledge of historical scholarship, since it systematically trots out clichés in 'fact sheet handouts' printed to 'guide' activists in the I/P area (for how complex this is see Demographics of Palestine. Whatever, by 1900 94% of the population was 'Arab'(Muslim/Christian), who were not blow-ins barging into a Jewish land to dispossess the real owners, i.e., since Byzantine times an exiguous minority. All this is straight out of Joan Peters's fictional book and even poorer sources. I don't particularly mind the crude insults (5)imputing me with racism documented on my page, some while he was reported here. But in this area we do not need walk-in editors brandishing a programme of pseudoids to conduct edit-wars.Nishidani (talk) 13:28, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
Statement by ZScarpia
What constitutes a revert is defined in Wikipedia policy as follows: "An edit or a series of consecutive edits that undoes other editors' actions—whether in whole or in part—counts as a revert." On this page and other noticeboards, in adjudicating claimed breaches of XRR editing restrictions, there has been a long-term tendency for admins to apply their own personal interpretations of what a revert is, ignoring or modifying the policy definition in various degrees. This has led to arbitrariness in interpretation of the rules and confusion among editors as to what they and other editors can or cannot do. Thus, various admins in the Result section are maintaining that a modification to text in the article only counts as a revert if the original text was added or changed recently. The long-term confusion over what a revert is has led to various unsuccessful attempts to clarify the policy relating to it, such as this one by Passionless.
@The Panda: "If mono's first edit included any text that had recently been added and reverted, then the first edit can be considered to be a revert. It appears to be a rather extensive edit, but may have combined previous edits with new edits in order to make it appear to be a new edit." I find that there is so much ambiguity in that comment that I don't know exactly how to read it, but it appears to be saying that unless Mono (an unfortunate abbreviation for anyone who knows a little Spanish) changed text that had been recently added or modified, his change was not a revert. If that is the case, can you justify your interpretation of what a revert is by relating it to policy or derived consensus, or are you applying an entirely personal qualification to what the policy says a revert is?
@Monty: "In my opinion, an edit that makes a change to text that hasn't been touched recently is not a revert." We have a policy definition of what a revert is, so shouldn't you be relating your interpretation of whether or not a revert was made to that rather that applying your own personal definition? Perhaps what you should have written was not, applying your own definition, that "a change to text that hasn't been touched recently is not a revert", but that you don't think that a change to text which has not been touched recently should be treated as a revert when arbitrating how the 1RR restriction on ARBPIA articles is applied?
@Sandstein: "As submitted, this is not actionable because the request does not make clear which edit the first reported diff is supposed to be a revert of." However, the diff shows that a change was made to the existing text, which means that, unless Mono was altering text added by himself (and I'd say it's fairly clear it wasn't originally added by him), that he was altering one or more editors' actions in whole or in part, the policy definition of what a revert is, wasn't he? Why exactly are you insisting that evidence of the route by which the original text came into the article be given? Now, if Mono had been copy-editing the original text, that is, improving its style but not changing its meaning, you could argue that he has not 'altered' other editors' actions in a meaningful sense. What he did, though, was to grossly change sourced text which said that Palestinians are the descendents of many peoples who lived in the land, to saying that they are the descendents only of Arabs, who the Zionist version of history says arrived from Arabia displacing, rather than amalgamating with, the existing inhabitants. "We don't care about whose position is more historically correct ... ." You should perhaps care that Mono subverted sourced text to misrepresent the given sources, though?
← ZScarpia 12:54, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
Statement by Irondome
I am MM's mentor. I took on the task a few days before I left for a ten day totally off-line break, so I have only caught up with events a few hours ago. I have been in email contact with MM extensively in the last few hours and I can gladly confirm that MM's completely unwarranted and inaccurate slur on Nishidani was based on skimpy reading of a past post without reading its overall context and inexperience. I have taken MM to task on that and MM unreservedly apologises. I am taking measures to ensure MM reads all WP policy guidelines and gets some WP:CLUE. Said editor will consult with me and on relevant talk pages when considering edits and will seek consensus in future. I think MM has a good future as a productive member of the community if given the correct guidance. Said editor's age is precocious with regard to a subject of such sensitivity, and I would suggest we attempt to retain young editors who have the guts to register and be so open about themselves. We must not scare off young female editors. MM has potential if she plays by the rules and is given communal guidance. Irondome (talk) 00:56, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
Result concerning Monochrome monitor
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- Zero0000 Are you requesting a block for the 1RR vio or a ban of some sort? Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 11:06, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
- @Shrike If mono's first edit included any text that had recently been added and reverted, then the first edit can be considered to be a revert. It appears to be a rather extensive edit, but may have combined previous edits with new edits in order to make it appear to be a new edit the panda ₯’ 11:24, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
- As submitted, this is not actionable because the request does not make clear which edit the first reported diff is supposed to be a revert of. Everybody, please save yourselves and us the content discussions. We don't care about whose position is more historically correct – this is AE, we are all about conduct, not content – and personally I know so little about the history of the region that I wouldn't be able to identify any but the most evident bias. At a conduct level, I am concerned by Monochrome monitor's general aggressiveness as seen on this page, as well as by the personal attack ("tool"), the implicit and as far as I can tell unfounded accusation of antisemitism towards another editor above ("You consider Jews to be greedy land-grabbing colonialists") and the misleading edit summary "sentence flow, slight reword" (whereas in reality substantial alterations were made). Does this warrant a topic ban on its own? Sandstein 17:43, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
- The 1RR issue is a bit convoluted but I'd concentrate more on the general attitude to editing from this editor. Historically in the IP area, persistently throwing out accusations of anti-semitism against other editors tends not to end well, and there are other NPA issues as well. Black Kite (talk) 20:50, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
- In my opinion, an edit that makes a change to text that hasn't been touched recently is not a revert. In the absence of anyone being able to figure out how long the text has been there, I can't consider the first set of edits to be a revert. However I also agree that his recent attitude, including the personal attacks, combined with his previous block less than 1 month ago, and the fact that we even need to discuss whether the first edit is a revert, all speaks to the need for an additional sanction. Perhaps a topic ban in the 1-3 month range? Monty845 21:34, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
- Agree with Sandstein that this is not actionable as a 1RR report. I recommend closing this. There is justified alarm about Monochrome monitor's attitude to other editors working on I/P articles but probably not enough for a topic ban. Unless this editor changes their approach they are likely to be back here soon and shouldn't expect much sympathy if that occurs. EdJohnston (talk) 00:32, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
- I'd agree with a close with no restrictions, but given the evidence presented we would be remiss to close this with no action and hence giving everyone the opportunity to say that Monochrome monitor has done nothing wrong. Instead I think at the least we should be giving a logged warning. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 03:18, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
Uishaki
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Requests may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator.
Request concerning Uishaki
- User who is submitting this request for enforcement
- Shrike (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 20:52, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
- User against whom enforcement is requested
- Uishaki (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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- Sanction or remedy to be enforced
- WP:ARBPIA :
- Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
- 28 July 2014 Replacing word Israel to Palestine - clearly POV push to deny Israel existence.
- 28 July 2014 Replacing word Israel to Palestine - clearly POV push to deny Israel existence.
- 28 July 2014 Source falsification the source only contains political statement of some body and doesn't support the text that was added by the user moreover the source doesn't talk about Bedouins at all
- 28 July 2014 Again source falsification the source doesn't talk about Bedouins at all moreover such controversial statements should be properly attributed.
- 27 July 2014 Deleting sourced information without any explanation.
- 26 July 2014 Deleting Israeli cities/settlements just because their Israeli moreover Mevaseret Zion is not settlement at all.
- 20 July 2014 Creating one sided article without any shred of WP:NPOV.The original name of the article was Shuja'iyya massacre .
- Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any
- 12 May 2014 zero-revert restriction on all articles already subject to the ARBPIA 1RR for one week, expiring at 08:41, 19 May 2014 (UTC), due to tendentious editing at Falafel and Palestine League.
- If discretionary sanctions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts)
- Previously given a discretionary sanction for conduct in the area of conflict on 12 May 2014 by Darkwind (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA).
- Additional comments by editor filing complaint
The user is clearly not here to edit in WP:NPOV it seems that his Modus operandi is to deny Israel existence as clearly shown by his edits when he deletes an Israeli cities or exchange Israel to Palestine and he doesn't really hide it as he clearly states in his second user box [7].
- Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested
Discussion concerning Uishaki
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Statement by Uishaki
I repeat that I do not accept any distortion of the Palestinian history as many Israeli users are doing. How many times have Jewish sources been fabricated and used for your agendas and interests without any questioning. Wikipedia is owned by Israel and its followers. Its up to me if I deny Israel's existence on my user page because there is something called "freedom of speech". The article about Shuja'iyya massacre was absolutely not one sided because I wrote only the stuff I found on different websites. Shrike you are only here to polishing the ugly face of Israel, but I am sure that you will fail.--Uishaki (talk) 22:44, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
Statement by Nishidani
I haven't got time to look closely through that yet, but, some of those edits are poor, yet the first two complaints are nonensical and consist of content disputes. The article on olives speaks of from western Mediterran to Israel, and Uishaki replaced Israel with Palestine. What (s)he should have done is written 'Israel/Palestine'. But using Palestine, the historical term, is not a denial of Israel's existence. Olives are a very sensitive issue here: it is often said Israel has uprooted 800,000 olive trees from Palestinian land since the occupation began (1967). I don't know if that is true, but the numbers are huge, the destruction of non-Israeli olive plantations ongoing, and a considerable amount of the uprooted trees are transported into Israel to be replanted there. To a Palestinian eye, a text that says 'olive cultivation extends to 'Israel' means the exclusion of the fact that olive has been long before the establishment of that state a fundamental product of Palestine, and properly NPOV requires that one write Israel/Palestine, for intense cultivation extends past Israel through to the border with Jordan. Rather than deny Israel's existence, the text ishaki changed denied the fact that olive production extends east of the Mediterranean through to Palestine (West Bank/Gaza), and he was probably reading it to be a denial of the existence of Palestine. So you should remove those two at least.Nishidani (talk) 21:34, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
- I don't think Shrike's use of those diffs makes a comvincing case, (what he did in creating the Shuja'iyya article is done every other day by editors whom Uishaki perceives to be opposed to him, and is never reported, rightly so, because you Afd such stuff, and if the community approves, it passes, as this did) because bad editing in the I/P area, and I might attitude belligerent personal attitudes like the one he displays, are normative and almost never reported. On the other hand, as per Lord Roem and Sandstein, Uishaki's response here alone is sufficient to show that he has a battlefield mentality, a conspiratorial view, and an insouciance to WP:NPOV to warrant a strong sanction. I have never seen an 'attitude' sanctioned, but that may reflect my ignorance, of course.Nishidani (talk) 09:12, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
Nishidani (talk) 09:12, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
Statement by (username)
Result concerning Uishaki
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- Based on the evidence above, the prior sanction from May, and the editor's own statement, I think they've committed themselves to being disruptive and therefore propose a topic ban. Due to the editor's record, I think the timeframe should be, at a minimum, six months. --Lord Roem ~ (talk) 23:09, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
- Based only on Uishaki's statement, it is evident that they are not here to contribute to Wikipedia as a neutral reference work, but to promote what they believe is the truth. Their statement exhibits a degree of prejudice towards editors of a different background that is incompatible with being a productive part of a collaborative project. I think that an indefinite topic ban from the Arab-Israeli conflict topic area is needed. As an aside, there is no right to free speech on Wikipedia; we are not here to exchange opinions but to write an encyclopedia. Sandstein 08:09, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
- Agree with Lord Roem and Sandstein as to the problem. I would support an indefinite topic ban with the possibility of appeal after six months. EdJohnston (talk) 00:36, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
John Carter
John Carter (talk · contribs) is blocked for two weeks. --Lord Roem ~ (talk) 05:48, 30 July 2014 (UTC) |
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Sean.hoyland
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Request concerning Sean.hoyland
- User who is submitting this request for enforcement
- Plot Spoiler (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 16:25, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
- User against whom enforcement is requested
- Sean.hoyland (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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- Sanction or remedy to be enforced
- Wikipedia:ARBPIA - topic ban :
- Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
- 16:01, July 28, 2014 Revert #1
- 19:13, July 28, 2014 Revert #2
- Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any
- 11:07, June 28, 2014 Blocked for disruptive editing in ARBPIA topic area
- 22:07, 21 September 2012 Blocked for edit-warring
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I notified Sean.hoyland that he violated 1RR at Palestinian tunnel warfare in the Gaza Strip (the article name has been changing) and should revert but he refused and in effect said he was above the law[9]. Unfortunately, Sean.hoyland has become an increasingly combative editor as of late (see his recent disruptive editing block) and has been editing more or less exclusively in the I/P topic area over the past several months (just see his contributions). I think he would be well served by taking a break from the I/P topic area and making constructive edits elsewhere.
- @Sandstein, there could be a better title than "attack tunnels" ("terror tunnels" would be a pretty clear POV title, in comparison), but the term has been used throughout many mainstream media outlets e.g.:
- Christian Science Monitor[10]
- Times of Israel [11]
- AFP [12]
- Huffington Post [13]
- Associated Press [14]
- Financial Times [15] Plot Spoiler (talk) 21:11, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
- @ZScarpia, your reading is mistaken. I was not advocating for the title "terror tunnels" - that is a pretty clear POV title. I was demonstrating that the term "attack tunnels" has been employed in mainstream media -- not that there might be a be a suitable title than "attack tunnels". Plot Spoiler (talk) 01:32, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
- Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested
- [16]
Discussion concerning Sean.hoyland
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Statement by Sean.hoyland
I'm not going to contest the 1RR violation. I made 2 reverts. The first was to remove material that was unrelated to the subject of the article, something the editor who added it really should have known if they had read the source, and the second, intended to allow a discussion on the talk page to proceed and come to consensus without drive by interference from a non-participating editor imposing their personal view. As I said "I don't mind being blocked for that. I stand by the edit." I do however contest the notion that what I said on my talk page" can be reasonably be described as "in effect said he was above the law". That is, in fact, gross misrepresentation. Editors should not be allowed to do that because it's wrong. Not sure about "increasingly combative" either. Increasingly robotic perhaps. My response was the opposite of combative. I'm not a combatant and editing Wikipedia is not a battle, and yet battle rages everyday in ARBPIA. Sean.hoyland - talk 18:06, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
Statement by Huldra
The back story:
- 14:18, 28 July 2014: article Hamas attack tunnels is started by a rather new editor, user:ShulMaven -arguing that this was different from Gaza Strip smuggling tunnels
- 14:23, 28 July 2014: ShulMaven moves article to Palestinian attack tunnels
- 15:21, 28 July 2014 I moved the article to Palestinian tunnels (not a very satisfactory title, but just to get rid of the rather NPOV article title); I also participated on the talk-page, together with the article author and User:Sean.hoyland, and several others. Basically, only the original author argued for the original title, with the controversial word attack in it.
- 16:01, 28 July 2014: User:Sean.hoyland removes a part which was only relevant to Gaza Strip smuggling tunnels.
- 19:00, 28 July 2014: Plot Spoiler unilaterally moved the article from Palestinian tunnels to Gaza Strip attack tunnels. Plot Spoiler has never participated on the talk-page,
- 19.13, 28 July 2014 : User:Sean.hoyland moved it back to Palestinian tunnels
The article is (presently) named Palestinian tunnel warfare in the Gaza Strip; an article name most editors seem to be able to live with.
Now, you can argue if there should be two different articles about these tunnels, but if it is, then we should clearly not have material in article A which only pertain to article B. And this is what User:Sean.hoyland 1.st revert was about: removing irrelevant material.
Plot Spoiler unilateral move of the article, without any form of consensus, without any discussion, to an extremely controversial article name which was not supported by those who participated on the talk-page: this was clearly out of line. I think Plot Spoiler should perhaps edit in other areas than the I/P area for a while. Huldra (talk) 17:32, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
- User:Shrike: good question. The way I saw it was that there was clearly no consensus for keeping the contentious word attack in the title. So I moved it to the easiest option: ie, the same title, minus the word "attack". Huldra (talk) 17:55, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
Statement by Shrike
User:Huldra did you had any consensus to move it in the first place?--Shrike (talk)/WP:RX 17:46, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
- User:Huldra As far as I can see there was no consensus to move it either.There is no WP:Deadline you should have waited and initiate discussion per WP:RM/CM to gain consensus .I think it should be true for any WP:ARBPIA article--Shrike (talk)/WP:RX 18:07, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
Statement by ZScarpia
Plot Spoiler wrote: "the term has been used throughout many mainstream media outlets e.g ... ." The only one of the linked to sources which uses the term "terror tunnel" (an alternative source for the Financial Times article is here) is the Times of Israel, but then, apparently, only as a category for grouping articles. In the four most recent articles included in that category the phrase used is 'attack tunnel'. 21:56, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
Statement by (username)
Result concerning Sean.hoyland
This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above.
- Because Sean.hoyland does not contest violating the 1R restriction, we must evaluate which if any sanction is appropriate. Sanctions are preventative, that is, they should be set up so as to effectively prevent the recurrence of the conduct they are imposed as a result of. As Sean.hoyland says that "I don't mind being blocked for that. I stand by the edit", it is apparent that a block would not have the necessary preventative effect. Under these circumstances, only a topic ban would have that effect. – Concerning Plot Spoiler, while I know very little about the particulars of the ongoing conflict, I find the move to "Gaza Strip attack tunnels" worrying from a NPOV perspective. That's not the kind of neutral terminology I've come across in mainstream media, but rather appears intended to convey a moral judgment about these tunnels. Sandstein 20:54, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
- PS probably needs time out from the area as well. Unfortunately, because of how Sean responded to PS, I would recommend a slightly longer TBAN to Sean, but also TBAN to PS. - Penwhale | dance in the air and follow his steps 22:13, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
- Since User:Sean.hoyland declined to self-revert when given the opportunity to fix his 1RR a three-month topic ban may be justified. User:Plot Spoiler was warned at AE less than two weeks ago but I'm not seeing what we would consider to be the bannable offence here. One of the newspaper articles cited by PS shows the tunnels being called 'cross-border attack tunnels,' which is not that different from 'Gaza strip attack tunnels' as used by PS. Wanting to distinguish these from smuggling tunnels is a valid motivation, though the term now in place (after discussion on the article talk page) is Palestinian tunnel warfare in the Gaza Strip which has a more neutral sound. EdJohnston (talk) 02:02, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
- Inclined to agree with EdJohnston's reasoning, which is evidence-based.
Zad68
02:09, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
Amoruso
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Request concerning Amoruso
- User who is submitting this request for enforcement
- RolandR (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 18:28, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
- User against whom enforcement is requested
- Amoruso (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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- ARBPIA
- Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
- 06:04, 29 July 2014 Breach of topic ban
- 06:05, 29 July 2014 Breach of topic ban
- 06:08, 29 July 2014 Breach of topic ban
- 06:16, 29 July 2014 Breach of topic ban
- 06:33, 29 July 2014 Breach of topic ban
- 06:34, 29 July 2014 Breach of topic ban
- 06:36, 29 July 2014 Breach of topic ban
- 06:37, 29 July 2014 Breach of topic ban
- 06:41, 29 July 2014 Breach of topic ban
- 06:43, 29 July 2014 Breach of topic ban
- 12:28, 29 July 2014 Breach of topic ban
- 12:31, 29 July 2014 Breach of topic ban
- Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any
- 20:38, 11 April 2010 Indefinite topic ban
- 13:46, 15 April 2010 Blocked for breach of ban
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- Mentioned by name in the Arbitration Committee's Final Decision linked to above.
- Previously blocked as a discretionary sanction for conduct in the area of conflict, see the block log linked to above.
- Previously given a discretionary sanction for conduct in the area of conflict on 11 April 2010 by Sandstein (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA).
- Additional comments by editor filing complaint
Amoruso was indefinitely topic-banned on 11 April 2010.[17] At the time, he was warned that "Any violation of this ban, especially in order to disrupt, may result in an indefinite block."[18] On 15 April 2010, he was blocked for 24 hours for breaching this ban.[19] After the expiry of this block. he made a few edits, but appeared to have retired from editing on 17 April 2010. He returned to editing this morning, immediately making several contentious edits to an article covered by the topic ban, and claiming falsely that he was no longer topic-banned.[20]
- Sandstein, of course Amoruso is mentioned by name in the final decision. He was one of the editors involved in the many disputes leading to the arbitration, he was mentioned by name in the discussions, and he was identified later as one of the first editors to receive a notification. In any case, even if I had made an error in not deleting that sentence (I did not add it, it was by default in the original template), that would not discredit the complaint nor absolve you of your responsibility to judge it on its merits. Your dismissive response demonstrates once again your pettifogging skills and your disregard for principles and essentials. I request that you recuse yourself from any further involvement in this request, which I do not believe that you are able to assess on its merits. RolandR (talk) 21:52, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
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Discussion concerning Amoruso
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Statement by Amoruso
I only came to Wikipedia this time to counter user:Zero0000's defamation here, and completely baseless accusations -Personal Ruthless Attack. I couldn't be bothered with it at the time but decided to respond now. He removed WP:RS which he by his own admission in the past confirmed that it's an WP:RS. There's really no doubt that something has to be done about user:Zero0000, his personal attacks and his personal disregard of Wikipedia policies. user:RolandR himself is a very problematic user too (both users have a history of blocks). He makes several mistakes/lies in his claim. For example, I never said I was not topic banned, just that it wasn't the right topic. His request was properly denied since it's full of mistakes.
As for the topic ban of four years ago if still relevant, like was mentioned above, I did not think that this was anything to do with the Israeli - Arab conflict. It's simply an internal Jewish - German historical issue with no mention of Palestinians or Arabs at all. There was no indication in the talk page like mentioned above. If someone feels for some reason that this was a violation of some kind, I apologize. That was of course never my intention. It is not my intention to edit anymore on this or other related topics at this time anyway. Again, I apologize if I mistakenly violated the ban. Thank you. Amoruso (talk) 02:42, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
Statement by Shrike
I think there was some misunderstanding as talk page of the article didn't contain template that it covered by DS. I have added a relevant template [21]--Shrike (talk)/WP:RX 19:16, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
Statement by ZScarpia
Sandstein wrote: 'The request incorrectly asserts that Amoruso is "mentioned by name in the Arbitration Committee's Final Decision linked to above".' The Final Decision section of the ARBPIA request for arbitration consists of the whole of section 4, in which Amoruso is mentioned in subsections 4.6 and 4.7.3. Therefore Sandstein's assertion about the assertion made in the request is actually the one which is in error. ← ZScarpia 21:21, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
Penwhale: "In theory, the Final Decision does not encompass the Logs (of notification and sanctions)." Maybe, but in practice (according to the section structure) it does. ← ZScarpia 23:49, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
Statement by Zero0000
Amoruso is one of the most disastrous editors I have met in my 11 years in Wikipedia. I could easy list half a dozen offences worse than the offences he was topic-banned for.
But it isn't necessary. It doesn't matter if he was mentioned on any particular page either. Enforce the ban already.
Statement by (username)
Result concerning Amoruso
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- The request incorrectly asserts that Amoruso is "mentioned by name in the Arbitration Committee's Final Decision linked to above". I stopped reading the request at that point. Why should I take the time to assess the request when the requester doesn't bother to compose it with reasonable care? Sandstein 20:46, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
- ... In theory, the Final Decision does not encompass the Logs (of notification and sanctions)... - Penwhale | dance in the air and follow his steps 22:18, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
- I don't know why a (not necessarily) formalistic error in the filing is a reason to discard the request. There was an indefinite topic ban which the editor proceeded to violate several times in a row. The article in question is about a "militant Zionist group" that existed around World War II up through 1948; there's no question it's covered by the terms of the TBAN. We need to give TBANS a liberal reading to avoid attempts to circumvent them and cause disruption. I recommend a block. Lord Roem ~ (talk) 00:46, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
- Certainly this is against Amoruso's validly-issued topic ban, but I wonder if it was obvious to him that Lehi (group) was under WP:ARBPIA. Amoruso was not mentioned by name in the ARBPIA decision, but that could be fixed by the submitter of this report by striking out the errors. EdJohnston (talk) 02:14, 30 July 2014 (UTC)