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Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already.
<span style="font-size:110%">'''Location of dispute'''</span>
There is a sentence on the “Yahweh” page that reads “The Israelites were originally Canaanites, but Yahweh does not appear to have been a Canaanites god”
The issue is with the first half of the sentence “the Israelites were originally Canaanites..”
It is a contended position and one that i edited out, the editor General Ization re edited, and asked to list source, i misunderstood, but eventually did list a source for the contention that Israel and Canaan were seperate people groups
“Many contend that Israelites were originally Canaanites, though a recent study on the DNA of ancient skeletons from Canaanite cities in the Levant, found that the Canaanite genetic marker can be found in modern day Lebanese, not Israelites; which brings credence tonthe idea that they were two distinct people groups.”
Or something to that affect
his response was “still not intersted, thanks”
And he continues to re edit the sentence as before, despite the evidence that the information is contested
<span style="font-size:110%">'''Have you tried to resolve this previously?'''</span>
I tried to just edit the first part of the sentence out, no replacement
<span style="font-size:110%">'''How do you think we can help?'''</span>
View the source and if it is found as legitimate, tell General Ization that it is, at the least, a contentious position and should be worded differently
==== Summary of dispute by General Ization ====
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Disagreement over how to define trans man. One side states that any person who is born male is a man (male human) and the other side states that any person who identifies as a man is a man (masculine identity). Both sides argue that their position is supported by alternate interpretations of the same sources.
This edit was made on the trans woman page without any preceding discussion.
08:43, 19 October 2016 Picture of a Sunny Day (First sentence was unnecessarily verbose. Trans women are women according to MOS: IDENTITY)
Previous definition: A trans woman (sometimes trans-woman or transwoman) is a transgender person who was assigned male at birth but whose gender identity is that of a woman.
The filing user has failed to provide any RS on the article's talk page. Much of the talk page discussion has been taken up by explaining the basics of Wikipedia to the user. If the user still doesn't understand that their own arguments based on their own opinions does not mandate change on Wikipedia, I'd recommend they use the Help Desk more.
As explained on the article's talk pages multiple times, the sources fully support the current wording, even if they don't pedantically repeat the exact same phrase.
The former lede of the article (from 2016) was not previously mentioned as part of the proposed change, but it's being presented here as the central part of the dispute. Introducing a new argument, unpersuasive as it is, at this late point suggests shifting goal posts. If we cannot define the dispute, we cannot resolve it, and therefore this is a non-starter. Also, as far as I can tell, neither TaylanUB, nor Equinox, nor MollyMac13 have edited either Trans man or Talk:Trans man, making their invitations appear to be canvassing. Spreading drama from other similar articles is disruptive, to put it mildly. For these reasons, I'm extremely reluctant to lend legitimacy to what I see as WP:CIVILPOV, and have no desire to participate further. Grayfell (talk) 20:42, 8 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Summary of dispute by Rivertorch
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Summary of dispute by Equinox
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I don't think that any kind of argument, regardless of its scientific backing etc., is going to work here. It's too politicised and it's one of the few areas where Wikipedia is not neutral. I don't have any particular issue with trans men or trans women but it's strange to me that the articles seem to assume that transgender is the norm (ignoring e.g. "TERF" attitudes) whereas e.g. Criticism of Christianity gets an entire article. Equinox◑02:06, 7 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Summary of dispute by TaylanUB
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I have to broadly agree with Equinox above; this issue seems extremely politicized, and the majority of the involved editors too indulged in their ideology. The page on man clearly states that a man is a male person, where male is defined in the usual biological way we all (hopefully) know. This corresponds with common use and scientific use of the words. The trans man page is in direct contradiction with these definitions. I find it particularly telling that the section titled "Confusion reigns" of the trans man talk page was locked under the claim that it's "pseudoscientific trolling at worst." Apparently, everything on the male page on Wikipedia is pseudoscience now, and not thinking so is trolling? See also this past state of my user page, in which I had documented a ton of biased behavior on the part of editors who could be assumed to be in support of the worldview of the contemporary transgender movement. It took me a long time and a ton of stubbornness to establish that the most popular feminist website of Canada is, in fact, a reliable source about feminist viewpoints. Imagine that.
Getting back to this particular topic, I think Userwoman stood behind their position quite well. It seems that none of the opposing editors were able to cite a source that clearly states that trans men are men. Instead, they seem to have flooded the talk page with irrelevant content from the cited sources, personal conjecture, references to theories put forth by individual sociologists, or to sociological theories whose bearing to the topic is rather questionable, and so on. The lead section should summarize the topic in terms that are factual and not ideological. Trans men are people who are assigned female at birth, generally because they are/were female, who profess to identify as male. It's amazing how complicated people are making this.
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Volunteer note - There has been extensive talk page discussion. The filing editor has not notified the other editors. Also, this noticeboard is not always suitable for resolving a dispute with a very large number of editors. If discussion on the article talk page has not worked, a Request for Comments may be in order. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:36, 7 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Closed for at least two reasons. First, the filing party failed to notify the other editors of this filing, although they had more than 72 hours after the failure to notify was mentioned. Second, this noticeboard isn't really the best forum to resolve disputes in which 9 editors have been identified. Normally a Request for Comments works better when there are a large number of editors. The editors are advised that they may resume discussion on the article talk page, and any editor may post a neutrally worded Request for Comments. I am willing to assist in wording the RFC if I am requested to do so (on my user talk page). Robert McClenon (talk) 00:08, 11 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
User:Userwoman - In looking over the contributions of the other participants, I see that you did provide a cryptic notification. I didn't recognize it as a notification on the first review of your thread, and I didn't recognize it as a notification on the review of your thread to see whether I should close it. (You just said "FYI" with a diff, although there is a template for the purpose, or a note can be used. I don't think it was a very good effort at notification, but I am re-opening the thread.) It is still my opinion that DRN is not the best forum for issues involving large numbers of editors, and that a Request for Comments is in order instead. I will leave the thread open to see if a volunteer will accept it. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:17, 12 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
My apologies. I wasn't aware that the notification had a formal template available. If you prefer, I can repost the template on each author's page again, but I think that several have responded because they received the notice. If no one will volunteer to moderate this thread, I will submit a request for comments. Thank you for reopening the thread. Userwoman (talk) 17:26, 12 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Volunteer note - Is this a one-against-many dispute, or many-to-many? If the former, then I am not really sure that this noticeboard is the best way for one editor to continue to push their position. (I am aware that DRN is a common next stop in one-against-many disputes, but I am not aware of it being a useful next stop.) If the latter, then either formal mediation or a Request for Comments might work better. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:25, 13 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
In my opinion, it does seem to be a many against many dispute. Several editors have brought up the same issue that I am currently bringing up, but at different times, so they were dismissed because a consensus could not be reached. I think that it is unfortunate that no discussion took place to justify the initial change and I am posting here because I think that this discussion is still valuable and necessary. If no progress can be made here, I will look into your suggestions. Thank you for your time. Userwoman (talk) 17:23, 13 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Have you discussed this on a talk page?
Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already.
I remain dissatisfied with other editors' unwillingness to make it clear on the Riot shield page that throwing projectiles at the police (or indeed, at anyone) is illegal - indeed, to the point of being a felony in many places. I do not think acknowledging this is an unreasonable request, and believe that some way could and should be worked out to say something along these lines in a way which respects everything else on the page. Other editors have, however, gone out of their way to deal with me in a rude fashion for expressing my concerns, and have shown no interest in finding a method of resolving the dispute.
Have you tried to resolve this previously?
I was told my edit to rectify the matter was "unsourced". Believing it was likely, on the basis of my previous interaction, that any attempt I would make to source my edit would be called "original research", I chose to cite the Wikipedia page on "criminal rock throwing", which established the illegality of throwing rocks in numerous jurisdictions. I think it's obvious, given that rocks are a typical projectile thrown at police, that this is relevant. This was also dismissed.
How do you think we can help?
The comments made in response to my edits are sophistries rather than attempts to guide better editing - they are made to defeat me, not to make Wikipedia better. If my edit is "unsourced", what would be an acceptable source? If my edit is "editorial" because I used the words "of course", why not eliminate those words then? If "Wikipedia is not a source for Wikipedia", is that a claim that the sources accepted on that page are being rejected on this one, and if so, why? What can I do _right_?
Summary of dispute by Freikorp
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Contrary to the above claim, Zachary Klaas DID NOT try to discuss this issue on the article's talk page. I specifically stated my case about why I think his edit in inappropriate on the talk page here: [2]. For reasons unknown to me, Zachary Klass chose not to reply to my concerns and instead started this dispute resolution.
We repeatedly explained to Zachary Klass why his edits could not be accepted, pointing to relevant guidelines like WP:CIRCULAR. If he had of actually taken the time to read said guidelines he wouldn't have had to resort to opening up a dispute resolution for the purpose of having someone explain to him why "Wikipedia is not a source for Wikipedia".
To recap the events that have brought us here: Zachary Klass made his opinions known, and a consensus was reached against him. Being angry with this, he then resorted to adding disclaimers to the article, explicitly stating his motivation for doing so was spite: [3]. He then violated WP:BRD when his edit was reverted, ignoring a request to discuss the matter and instead chose to start an edit war. When Drmies threatened to block him if he continued with his "disruptive editing, willfully adding original research, editorial commentary and edit warring", he resorted to wasting more of everyone else's time by opening this ridiculous dispute. I have tried to assume good faith, but it appears Zachary Klaas only wants to be disruptive for the purpose of being disruptive. I suggest resolving this dispute by temporarily blocking Zachary Klaas from editing, thereby giving Wikipedia a break from his persistent disruption and also giving him some time to think about his behavior.
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I'm not quite sure what this person's agenda is, though I warned them that continued edit warring (inserting OR commentary) will lead to a block. I am reminded of those warning labels one finds in the US--the kind that tell you that water is gluten-free. Drmies (talk) 14:59, 12 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Observation by Shock Brigade Harvester Boris
As someone totally uninvolved in this dispute, I have read the summaries given so far as well as the relevant section of the talk page. My conclusion is that User:Zachary Klaas should be directed to Wikipedia's policies on original research and disruptive editing (including its explanatory supplement on tendentious editing).
I would like to point out that Freikorp has suggested on the Talk page for Riot shield that perhaps non-tendentious wording is possible for adding an acknowledgment that throwing projectiles at police is illegal. That is a productive suggestion, can we perhaps look at a solution to this problem along those lines? Zachary Klaas (talk) 17:41, 12 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Thanks for the advice. I read the one-against-many page you linked and I believe that is where things stand at the moment. I also note that this page you linked suggests that it is sometimes the case that a consensus at the level of the page is not very stable, as pages sometimes attract like-minded people, which I believe is the case here. I would also like to point out that one individual suggested a solution to this specific problem that would have met my concerns, but now we are apparently not going to entertain that solution. I don't think we should grasp disagreement out of the jaws of a potential agreement like that, but then again, maybe that's another minoritarian opinion I have, I don't know. My view is that this still has not been adequately addressed. I don't understand the comment about my not notifying the editors. Both of the editors with whom I had a dispute (Freikorps and Drmies) responded above - evidently they received notification. It is also the case that Freikorp notified numerous others on the Talk Page for the Riot shield page that he had ongoing issues with me. I think people are pretty well informed there is a controversy. If you believe I have not notified the broad community of editors, however, perhaps that is your reason for suggesting a Request for Comments. Therefore, I will take that as the next step. Zachary Klaas (talk) 20:12, 12 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Zachary Klaas, for future reference you're supposed to notify other editor on their talk pages when you bring up a dispute of any kind against them somewhere, not just put it on the talk page of the article in question. I wasn't sure if Drmies was watching the article in question, and I noticed you didn't notify him, so I took it upon myself to ping him here in my comment. It should have been your responsibility to notify him directly, not mine. Freikorp (talk) 23:25, 12 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Gotcha. It's still the case that no one who needed to respond did not respond, so I don't see how the second point Robert McClenon raised is any longer relevant, and it comes off sounding like throwing in an additional (irrelevant) reason to scold me for daring to disagree with other people. Zachary Klaas (talk) 12:15, 13 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Closed as premature. While there has been brief discussion on the article talk page, it has not been substantive or extensive, and further discussion might be useful. (Then again, it might not, but we have to try.) The filing party has not notified the other editors. Resume discussion on the article talk page after reading the original research policy, the medical reliable sources policy, and other policies. (Also, usually User:Doc James and User:Jytdog are right about policy, and they are worth listening to. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:18, 14 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Have you discussed this on a talk page?
Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already.
I'm trying to add a few additional items to the "Literature" section of the article, which contains a list of books which involve the psychological disorder that's the subject of the article.
The provided references for two of them are to Amazon pages which describe the books and explicitly state their connection to the disorder. The other editors assert that merely by providing those references, I am performing "original research", and that I must instead find other sources that assert the connection. I don't believe that that's "original research" as Wikipedia uses the term.
A third item is sourced in a note by the author of one of those books, which she posted to a mailing list about her books. While the medium is a mailing list, the note is by the author herself; she regularly posts on that list. I have trouble believing that the information is unreliable just because the medium is a mailing list.
Have you tried to resolve this previously?
Tried to discuss it on Jytdog's talk page; they referred me to the Talk page of the article.
How do you think we can help?
Please clarify the term "original research" as Wikipedia uses it, and whether it applies in this case. Determine if information posted on a mailing list is intrinsically unreliable regardless of the author of that information.
Summary of dispute by Jytdog
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This has not been sufficiently discussed at the talk page for DR to happen yet. The OP has not really engaged there. Jytdog (talk) 20:14, 13 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Summary of dispute by Doc James
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We need secondary sources that discuss the literature about BPD. We do not ourselves simple pick primary sources and than add our opinions about them as that is original research. The content we are discussing is this. Amazon is user generated content not quality secondary source. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 19:34, 13 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Talk:Borderline personality_disorder discussion
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I cite WP:INFOBOXFLAG to allow for use of flag in infobox in human geographical articles. Caradhras claims that the addition of flag in infobox is nationalistic agenda of sockpuppet and thus should be reverted. However, the flags in the articles in question Shanghai, Wuhan and Beijing have longstanding had a flag in the infobox. Caradhras cites that consistency across articles is necessary as majority of cities in China on WP do not have flags in infobox. I say most major cities do
Have you tried to resolve this previously?
Spoke on the talk page
How do you think we can help?
Give a third opinion and assist in preventing an edit war
Summary of dispute by CaradhrasAiguo
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For the sockpuppets in question, refer to the relevant investigation. This sockpuppeteer has also openly admitted to socking, further demonstrating the WP:POINTy nature of his edits. I have not formally reported his latest batch of IPs because the latest 2 batches that were reported have been ignored.
As to the timeline of the flags being included in the infoboxes, I would describe none of them as "longstanding", considering the age of Wikipedia as a whole: Beijing (4 Jul 2016 by a single-purpose account), Shanghai (22 Aug 2016 by a single-purpose account), Wuhan (18 Feb 2018). All 3 edits were unexplained. CaradhrasAiguo (talk) 20:26, 15 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
User talk:CaradhrasAiguo#Infobox_flags discussion
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@Waddie96 and CaradhrasAiguo: Thanks for resorting to DRN to avoid an edit war. I've taken up this case because this is something I frequently come across while editing articles related to military history. I'll go through all the discussions and put forward an opening statement by the end of tomorrow. Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk • mail) 04:46, 16 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
User talk:Diannaa#Copyright violation_on_Train_horn.
Closed for various reasons, including as outside the scope of this noticeboard and as questionably filed. The filing editor says that they are willing to let a third party decide, but a third party, MarchJuly, has already said that if User:Diannaa says that it was a copyright violation, it probably was a copyright violation. So now a fourth party says that if User:Diannaa and User:MarchJuly say that it was a copyright violation, it was a copyright violation. Wikipedia takes copyright violation very seriously. This noticeboard is not the forum to question an administrator's opinion about a copyright violation. The filing party is advised to ask for the advice of other experienced editors at the Teahouse, who will explain (possibly in great detail) about copyright violation. The filing party is also reminded that copyright violations can result in being blocked. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:00, 16 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Have you discussed this on a talk page?
Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already.
Me and Diannaa are disagreeing over if an edit I made to Train horn was a copyright violation. Diannaa says that it's a violation since I used the actual descriptions provided by the source in the table, instead of rewording them. I contest this because
A. The source is cited.
B. It's short information that is barely a sentence.
C. The offending text is the actual language of the standard.
Have you tried to resolve this previously?
We've tried discussing it, but honestly I don't think we're resolving it because we both think we're right.
How do you think we can help?
A. Who's right here. We both think we're right so I think we should kick it to a third party who can assess that independently. B. If it is a copyright violation, then'd I still want access to my original edit to make it compliant, since otherwise I will have remake the table again, which given only a small part of it was said by Diannaa to be in violation, it feels like an over-reaction, combined with the lack of being provided an opportunity to fix it in the first place.
Summary of dispute by Diannaa
The following is copied from my talk page: The addition was flagged by a bot as a potential copyright violation and was assessed by myself. Here is a link to the bot report. Click on the iThenticate link to view the overlap. As you can see, each description is identical to the source document. There's no reason why the content could not be re-written to comply with copyright law and the copyright policy of this website. For example "To give a warning to anyone on or near a running line" becomes "Used to warn anyone on or near the tracks that a train is coming". "To give an urgent warning to anyone on or dangerously near to the line" becomes "A more urgent warning used when a person is in imminent danger". And so on. I can send you the deleted material via email if you like, but you will have to activate your Wikipedia email first. Copyright violations are a serious problem with legal considerations, and must be dealt with promptly. It's not an occasional problem: there's anywhere from 75 to 100 potential violations to be assessed each day. Since there's only a very small group of people working on copyright cleanup, discussion of each individual violation is not practical, and for clear-cut violations it is not necessary. — Diannaa🍁 (talk) 12:04, 16 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
User talk:Diannaa#Copyright violation_on_Train_horn. discussion
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Closed as not discussed recently. Maybe this is the same question that was asked three years ago. If so, it still hasn't been discussed recently. When the template asks whether there has been recent talk page discussion, it is asking whether there has been significant recent talk page discussion. The filing party is advised to register an account if they want to engage in dispute resolution. The filing party is also advised to follow the instructions and actually try to discuss this on the article talk page. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:39, 16 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already.
Up at the top of this page, it says, "The dispute must have been recently discussed extensively on a talk page (not just through edit summaries) to be eligible for help at DRN." This has sat idle for going on three years, so there is no active, unresolved dispute over the question of whether or not to remove an explanatory footnote that says "The Chinese Flying Pigeon bicycle, with on the order of 500 million in service as of 2007, is the most produced vehicle ever. See Koeppel, Dan (January–February 2007), "Flight of the Pigeon", Bicycling, Rodale, Inc., vol. 48 no. 1, pp. 60–66, ISSN 0006-2073, retrieved January 28, 2012" from Honda Super Cub. It's related to the paragraph on this topic at Vehicle#Most common vehicles in use, explaining where the Super Cub is in relation to these similar superlatives. This footnote was there back in November 2014 when it was reviewed and promoted to Good Article.
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There is a sentence on the “Yahweh” page that reads “The Israelites were originally Canaanites, but Yahweh does not appear to have been a Canaanites god”
The issue is with the first half of the sentence “the Israelites were originally Canaanites..”
It is a contended position and one that i edited out, the editor General Ization re edited, and asked to list source, i misunderstood, but eventually did list a source for the contention that Israel and Canaan were seperate people groups
“Many contend that Israelites were originally Canaanites, though a recent study on the DNA of ancient skeletons from Canaanite cities in the Levant, found that the Canaanite genetic marker can be found in modern day Lebanese, not Israelites; which brings credence tonthe idea that they were two distinct people groups.”
Or something to that affect
his response was “still not intersted, thanks”
And he continues to re edit the sentence as before, despite the evidence that the information is contested
Have you tried to resolve this previously?
I tried to just edit the first part of the sentence out, no replacement
How do you think we can help?
View the source and if it is found as legitimate, tell General Ization that it is, at the least, a contentious position and should be worded differently
Summary of dispute by General Ization
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– New discussion.
– General close. See comments for reasoning.
– Discussion in progress.