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Errors in the summary of the featured article

Please do not remove this invisible timestamp. See WT:ERRORS and WP:SUBSCRIBE. - Dank (push to talk) 01:24, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

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Formatting of subject's name

It should be formatted as Sir Frederick "Boy" Browning, per MOS:NICKNAME, with no bolding applied to the quotation marks. William Avery (talk) 09:35, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

 Done. @TFA coordinators: - FYI, this seems minor and uncontroversial so hopefully you won't object, but if you regard it as wrong I'm happy to revert.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:19, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Errors with "In the news"

• Flooding following a dam collapse in Borno State, Nigeria, leaves at least 30 people dead. I think the bigger story here is that 400,000+ are displaced, no? That fact is cited in Borno State flooding. Therapyisgood (talk) 14:06, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
• How come the article for Typhoon Yagi says 593+ deaths in the ibox and in the table at the Impact section but the blurb says more than 900 people dead? 139.164.154.33 (talk) 12:46, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

  That’s because Dora the Axe-plorer changed the figures with this edit without explaining why (it seems the edit summary is truncated). Either way, I shall adjust the main page figure to match but don’t understand what is going on. Schwede66 15:43, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Errors in the summary of the featured list

Friday's FL

(September 20)

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Errors in the summary of the featured picture

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General discussion

Soccer / Football

Please could the word 'soccer' from the news item about the African Cup of Nations be changed to 'football'. Many thanks

Intergr8 (talk) 11:07, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

If it is changed to 'football', it could be mistaken for any number of games- Soccer, American Football, Gaelic Football, Rugby Football, Australian Rules Football... And that's without even looking at the dab page. Soccer means people actually know what the story is. And, for what it's worth, I'm British, so "football"= soccer for me too. J Milburn (talk) 11:14, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Did someone say mistaken???ThisMunkey (talk) 20:08, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

It was 'Association Football', which also avoided the ambiguity. I'm not sure why it was changed. ReadingOldBoy (talk) 11:18, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Becuase there was a discussion, and because that phrase is not in everyday use anywhere in the English speaking world. Kevin McE (talk) 12:13, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

As I can vouch for with my comment below... J Milburn (talk) 12:16, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm not a sports fan, but 'Association Football' doesn't mean anything to me- soccer does. J Milburn (talk) 11:27, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

I liked the previous title of football (soccer) the association football article had before. --Howard the Duck 12:56, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

not only does the article read soccer instead of football, when it is an organisation run by the Confederation of African Football, it also makes a concession to American style by stating that "Egypt wins the 2008 Africa Cup of Nations" wheras in any other English speaking country, including Ghana, where the tournament took place, one would say: "Egypt win the 2008..." To me it reads terribly. Why would anyone that Egypt were playing Cameroon in a notable Gaelic/American/Aussie Rules final? Petepetepetepete (talk) 13:03, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

The best way to resolve this is to use "football (soccer)" as the displayed link. --Howard the Duck 13:05, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

(ec)This discussion has come up many times before. I'm British-English, and I would certainly say 'Egypt wins the 2008...' in this case. J Milburn (talk) 13:06, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Howard the Duck, and have changed it on the main page. J Milburn (talk) 13:09, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Glad to see its changed to that, will read better now. I would have thought it was: Liverpool F.C. win the 2005 Champions League after a dramatic comeback in Istanbul... Liverpool wins the bid to be named 2008 Capital of Culture. Petepetepetepete (talk) 13:13, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

In this case, I think that football or association football should be used instead of soccer, even if just for the fact that the organising confederation is the Confederation of African Football, not the Confederation of African Soccer. Aecis^Brievenbus 21:18, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

I vote for the usage of football instead of soccer. Cheers, MikeZ (talk) 22:39, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

This is probably the millionth time I've been engaged in this argument, but... "Football" is ambiguous. "Soccer" isn't. Soccer wins. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 00:28, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

The millionth time? Wow that's obsessive. Maybe it's time for you to take a break. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.0.135.202 (talk) 08:57, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Football may be ambiguous, but Association football isn't, and it is the name we use for the article about the sport. Aecis^Brievenbus 17:59, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

"Association football" is ambiguous in the U.S., where most people have never heard of the term. I suggest we say "association football (soccer)". Lovelac7 23:47, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

"Associtation football (soccer)" would be bizaare! This is not a question of what to name the actual articles, that discussion has been had. It is a question of how to refer to the sports on the In The News section. My suggestion would be that we side with the usage in the country where that sport has taken place and is most relevant to. Therefore: "In football, Manchester United are defeated 2-1 in the Manchester derby…" or "In soccer, the USA reach the last 16 of the World Cup". Although I'm English and a huge football fan, I wouldn't be at all confused if an article in the news regarding American Football read: "In football, the New York Patriots win the SuperBowl". In the case currently on the main page, it doesn’t really need (soccer) in there as its surely easy to work out that Egypy didn’t play Cameroon in American football. If they had, it wouldn't have notable enough to make the In the news section. It generally pretty clear which sport is being spoken about. While we compromise on snappy article titles to clear ambiguity (hence the Assocation_Football title), with the in the news section it should be rather more concise. Does anyone support this idea? Petepetepetepete (talk) 10:22, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

YES, SIR ... in fact, I really couldn't agree more. The exact meaning of "football" almost always instantly explains itself in the context. Don't make the whole stuff too complicated and cumbersome. Cheers, MikeZ (talk) 23:01, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

The New York Patriots would confuse the hell out of a lot of Americans though --71.163.118.20 (talk) 02:09, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

As I've pointed out elsewhere, in the United States, the word "football" always means the pointy-ball variety, and most Americans are unaware the word can ever mean anything else. Therefore, an American who sees that "Egypt beat Cameroon in football" would think, "I didn't realize they played football in Egypt." That's why we should always use an unambiguous term, at least on first reference. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 04:04, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

I think he was going more towards the point that the team is called the New England Patriots, not the New York Patriots. Titoxd^{(?!? - cool stuff)} 04:48, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

deliberate mistake - well spotted ;-) If most Americans dont know that the worlds most popular sport is called football in almost every country, including non-english speaking countries, other than their own, then they should! To be honest, I doubt very much that they dont. Petepetepetepete (talk) 08:56, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

As they say in (U.S.) journalism, never overestimate the knowledge of the reader. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 13:07, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

The relevant Wikipedia guideline is WP:OBVIOUS. Puchiko (Talk-email) 15:01, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

This seems to be a perennial debate on wikipedia. How far do we have to go to ensure the reader is not confused? Hopefully most people will agree we have to draw the line somewhere, the question is where? Note that the main page is, in any case, primarily intended to direct readers to our articles/content, not be a stand alone section, so there is always going to be the assumption that if a reader is confused they will check out the articles and learn something. But this doesn't mean we should expect a reader to need to have the knowledge of a very experience librarian (couldn't think of anyone else who should have a very good level of general knowledge) to understand the main page or else need to check out every single link to understand what the heck is being talked about on the main page. Nil Einne (talk) 18:54, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Most of the world refer to it as Football, not Soccer. So what if the Americans think it's referring to their pointy ball game? It's the world that counts, not just them. It should be referred as either Football or Football (soccer). --Jammy (talk) 19:37, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

but shouldn't this discussion be moved off this page...it's not a Main Page error, never was... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.128.0.47 (talk) 12:37, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Any number of games based on handball (or hand some egg shape thing) is usually mistaken for the game Football. I am not English but maybe if football has to be called something else this site should be changed to the am.wikipedia.org or people might GET CONFUSED or something. Hand the ball no... foot the ball. Hand the ball is not foot the ball. Oh but I foot it earilier on. Yes and that was foot the ball. The rest was a load of balls. If you cant tell your hand from your bum and your eggs from your balls what help is there for you??? Rugby/American Rugby is violent sport and has little to do with using a foot or a ball. Football is ancient and has not stopped or diminished...And is definitely to do with the foot and a ball. Why dont we call it washing dishes and call washing dishes watching the TV? I'll watch the TV and you can dry the dishes. ThisMunkey (talk) 20:08, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Uh... what? Puchiko (Talk-email) 20:16, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

hmm only drying the dishes? What about washing them first would that not be better otherwise it could be messy? :) On the topic in discussion I agree with the comment above with regard to content on the main page that if it is discussing say Houston Dynamo vs LA Galaxy then surely soccer should be used and the same for Australia and any other countries where the sport is known first and foremost as soccer. But equally where the sport is not known as soccer first and also where as in the case mentioned above that the Federation contains the word football, then football should be used.♦Tangerines♦·Talk 20:30, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Kosovo?

Impending Kosovan independence not worthy enough for the 'in the news' section eh? Who took it off? —Preceding unsigned comment added by ThatWalkingMan (talk • contribs) 03:09, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Really, i think these administrators are on crack.

The NIU shootings seem not to be worth enough either. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.42.83.232 (talk) 04:18, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

See WP:ITN/C, as the header states. ☯Ferdia O'Brien ^(T)/_(C) 11:18, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Umm

Yeah. Kosovo declared independence a few short hours ago.

That's kinda important. yes it is very important :]

Might merit being on the "in the news" section.

Just throwing that out. Matt Yeager ♫ (Talk?) 06:54, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

See WP:ITN/C, as the header states. -Elmer Clark (talk) 07:04, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Also Kosovo has NOT declared independence. They've just hinted that they're going to at 1400 UTC. People really should get their facts straight before making a fuss in the wrong place Nil Einne (talk) 07:29, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Kosovo#Independence Nousernamesleft^{copper, not wood} 01:48, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

They have now, but not when that message was posted (as is obvious from the time stamp) Nil Einne (talk) 06:25, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I know, I checked the dates. I was saying that they have now. Sorry, I should probably be more descriptive than just a single link next time I respond to a message. Nousernamesleft^{copper, not wood} 16:47, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Navbar Suggestion

Moved to Wikipedia:Village Pump. ☯Ferdia O'Brien ^(T)/_(C) 08:14, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Preliminaries

Is there any info on the preliminaries for the presidental race?Foamy's Girl (talk) 00:07, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

United States presidential election, 2008. ZeaLitY [ DREAM - REFLECT ] 00:41, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

thanks...dont know why i didnt think of that in the first place —Preceding unsigned comment added by Foamy's Girl (talk • contribs) 00:53, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Wikileaks

I'm not sure this is at all notable news in the same vein as the stories that are usually posted on the main page (i.e. a country declaring its independence). Charles 04:25, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Please go to WP:ITN/C. --Howard the Duck 04:58, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

I find censorship mandated by a U.S. court notable. See also http://news.google.com/news?q=wikileaks —Nricardo (talk) 05:49, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Completely non-notable. --Thankyoubaby (talk) 06:10, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Pakistan

Shouldn't we wait a little bit longer before adding this to the Main Page? I'd like to be more certain than only 'early returns'. 69.129.145.210 (talk) 07:18, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

That issue is best raised at Wikipedia:In the news section on the Main Page/Candidates#Pakistani elections. Thanks. Puchiko (Talk-email) 19:55, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

It's not I checked that out and it is completely accurate Skeletor 0 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Skeletor 0 (talk • contribs) 05:20, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Castro

Castro resigns! Please add that. abelson (talk) 08:59, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

The In the news section's purpose is to direct readers to articles that have been written or significantly expanded due to news. The Fidel Castro article does not yet contain a substantial amount of information about this event, though I suspect that it soon will. —David Levy 09:06, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

But its a very important news. He is relic of the Cold war era and one of the world's longest serving ruler. Maybe such news will divert energy towards improving the article. 13:16, 19 February 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gppande (talk • contribs)

ITN is intended to be for the reader, not the editor, and it doesn't matter how important the news is since ITN is not about the news, despite the problematic name Nil Einne (talk) 13:22, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

This is very, very important in the world, please add it.

-Vulcan, Romulan, and Trill, not HUMAN! (talk) 15:02, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Please visit Wikinews for a wiki news source. Borisblue (talk)` —Preceding comment was added at 16:23, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Is there any reason we're still discussing this? It was there at the time of my response and has not been removed since then... His picture wasn't there all the time, but that's a seperate issue... Nil Einne (talk) 16:42, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Its a good news but lets see and give the decision for the exact situaton —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pankaj2008 (talk • contribs) 10:35, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Castro Page Vadnalism 2/19/08

HOLY FREAKING BALLS!! Fidel Castro's Page has some major vandalism, so much that you can't reach the edit tab... Fix? Wish I were an admin, or at least knew what to do in that kind of event. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fultron89 (talk • contribs) 22:29, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Hey, someone added porn to the castro page. I don't know how to fix it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.82.72.26 (talk) 22:28, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Somebody fixed it. I can't find it in the page history, so it was probably a transcluded template. Try purging your cache if you still see penises all over the place. Puchiko (Talk-email) 22:46, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

In this instance, the affected template appears to have been {{Cleanup-rewrite}}, although the edit was the same as that referenced below. Joe 22:51, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

I see now. Somebody vandalised Template:Cleanup-rewrite, which is transcluded in Fidel Castro. Puchiko (Talk-email) 22:51, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Template:Sisterlinkqsc and Template:YouTube were also vandalized. --Agüeybaná 22:59, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

This is not the place to report vandalism ladies and gents. ☯Ferdia O'Brien ^(T)/_(C) 12:25, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

China article is hacked!!!

_ no way it got hacked !!!!!!

China article is hacked. There are some very offensive content on the page. --Abuk78 (talk) 22:15, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi. This talk page isn't really the best place to report this-it's supposed to be a place to discuss the Main Page itself.
Anyways, I checked the China article, and it has been fully protected (only editable by administrators) since Friday. I (very quickly) skimmed through the article, and didn't see any blatant problems. I think it would be best if you stated the exact problem on Talk:China. Puchiko (Talk-email) 22:24, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

I believe the OP is referring to vandalism of {{TOClimit}} at 21:36 UTC (reverted 21:37). Algebraist 22:26, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

I foolishly forgot to check the transcluded stuff. Thanks, Algebraist. I understand the OP now, it must have been quite a shocking view. Puchiko (Talk-email) 22:36, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

What is with people and ruining hard work?Skeletor 0 (talk) 05:23, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Main Page Header

Anyone care to comment on my new layout for the header? I made it because people just arn't following the link, so I moved the relevant links to the start of the each line. ☯Ferdia O'Brien ^(T)/_(C) 13:10, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

You're never going to get 100% of the editors to use the new section link. I'm not sure how effective these notifications are. Nakon 16:19, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't expect 100%, but I would like to cut down the off topic remarks so that we might see a day when none are posted, even if for that one day only. The placement of the header to my mined decreased the off topics by a noticeable amount, I'm just trying to optimise this effect. ☯Ferdia O'Brien ^(T)/_(C) 17:36, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

You might want a link to where reports on vandalism are posted. --199.71.174.100 (talk) 18:31, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

There already is, its second from the bottom, The Administrators Noticeboard. ☯Ferdia O'Brien ^(T)/_(C) 18:35, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I meant at "the start of the each line". I didn't see that earlier. --199.71.174.100 (talk) 18:39, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

For each topic, the talk page of where the link goes (assuming it isn't a talk page) is the place to post vandalism reports, but the Admin Noticeboard covers all, irrelevant of place. ☯Ferdia O'Brien ^(T)/_(C) 18:47, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Okay. Thanks. --199.71.174.100 (talk) 18:48, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Denmark-Norway

Moved to Wikipedia:Main Page/Errors

Poop the moop

I don't know. Discuss?