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August 14

Landing gear problems

united airlines bozeman mt landing gear would not lower 8/5/2013 for 35 minutes,they weren't sure landing gear was locked so passengers had to be in crash position for landing — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.189.56.33 (talk) 01:45, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Is there an article about this aviation incident? If so, discuss at the article talk page. If not, was the incident notable enough for an article? Robert McClenon (talk) 02:52, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Per WP:AIRCRASH there would only be an article if the plane actually crashed. Technical problems are a daily routine ocurrence for airliners and of no lasting significance or notability unless the incident results in a change in the law/regulations or the aircraft's design or manufacturing process. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 13:53, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Ref tag question

What is the tag to use when a cited reference does not support or even contain the content it supposedly sources? I believe I've seen it before but can't recall what it is. OccamzRazor (talk) 05:10, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Probably {{Failed verification}} or {{irrelevant citation}}. RudolfRed (talk) 05:16, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Perfect! Thank you for your quick response. OccamzRazor (talk) 05:39, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Deleted article - Sadat Institute of Higher Education

Hi Everyone, I am the Publishing Manager of Sadat Institute of Higher Education. I wanted to create a page describing my university, when I created it was nominated for speedy deletion, they said I violated the rules, however I am the owner of the website which I copied text from it is www.sadat.edu.af now what to do? — Preceding unsigned comment added by SayedAzeemSadat (talk • contribs) 08:17, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Question title added. AndrewWTaylor (talk) 09:28, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

If you copied text from a copyright website, then Wikipedia will regard that text as a copyright violation unless the copyright owner explicitly licences it according to the procedure in WP:Donating copyright materials. If you own the copyright, then it is open to you to donate the text in that way, and that will clear the copyright problem. However, text from a subject's own website is usually not appropriate for a Wikipedia article, because text from the website is usually too promotional in tone. It is right and proper for the institution's own website to speak of it in a promotional tone, but Wikipedia requires neutral language.

In fact, if you are employed by the institute, you probably should not edit such an article at all, as you have a conflict of interest. Your best course is to find the multiple reliable sources, independent of the subject (such as newspapers or books) which discuss the institution in some depth, and request and article at requested articles. --ColinFine (talk) 10:06, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Christopher Miles (Director) page

I have been a fan of the director Christopher Miles work for some time and even wrote a paper on him for a college course. I found his page, which had warnings across the top about not being enough citations to verify sources of information. I have been through it in some detail and added citations where I know them to apply. Have I done enough for this warning to be removed or do I need to do more? Or perhaps this is an automated process which just happens when Wikipedia notices the changes? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Merlin Energy (talk • contribs) 09:07, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Hello Merlin. Looking through the article, it appears that you have done an excellent job! The article certainly doesn't need the tag anymore (which, by the way, is manually placed there by editors). I'll go back through with a fine-tooth comb and tag any more wrinkles with a {{citation needed}} tag, but you've definitely done well. Thanks for your hard work! Deadbeef 09:14, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for the feedback too Deadbeef. Now feeling inspired to look at others :) Merlin Energy — Preceding unsigned comment added by Merlin Energy (talk • contribs) 09:18, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

I have just been going through the Wikipedia layout guidelines to see if I can get that warning removed too and it appears to comply as far as I can make out with the possible exception of not having a picture in the box on the top right with his birth date etc. Do you have any suggestions or comments? Merlin Energy (talk) 09:48, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

It appears that this has been resolved. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:49, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Adding "Authority control"

Dear Wikipedia Help Desk Team Editors:

An inquiry addressed to Wikipedia Information Team concerning "Authority control" responded with a referral to your department.

The EN, DE, ES Wikipedia articles about José Bernal require "Authority control" to provide easy access to readers doing research on this Cuban-American artist, 1925-2010: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Bernal, because there is a very large number of people named Jose Bernal, at least one Mexican artist and many other artists whose names include the name "Bernal."

The art of Cuban-American José Bernal, whose Wikipedia link is noted above, is published in books, articles, catalogs, monographs. Also, it is in 13 art museums, one in Spain and twelve in the U.S.A., and his artworks continue to be incorporated in art museum collections and museum exhibitions. Therefore it would be a significant and helpful addition to his EN, DE, ES articles to have "Authority control." Unfortunately, attempts to follow the guidelines in Wikipedia's "Authority control" link haven't been successful, even with assistance from Wikipedia volunteers and staff of the Smithsonian Institution. For this reason I seek assistance from the expertise of your Help Desk Team, as it was suggested by the Information Team. With appreciation for your consideration of this request, Ulla1540 (talk) 15:14, 14 August 2013 (UTC)Ulla1540

This must be about Wikipedia:Authority control. I, for one, had never heard of Authority control. I wish you luck in finding someone who understands it. Maproom (talk) 18:09, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

I have at times added {{Authority control}} to articles; it's quite straightforward, just a matter of searching the various databases and copying the identifiers into the template. But I have had no luck finding José Antonio Severino Bernal Muñoz in LoC, VIAF, ISNI or OGND. There are of course a lot of José Bernals, but I couldn't find one whose dates matched. He may just not be sufficiently well-known. Sorry about that, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 23:06, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Humanities

I want to know about humanities. if u give me a paragraph then it will be easy for me to understand — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.247.181.70 (talk) 15:43, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

If you have questions to ask, try Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities. If you want to read about the topic, it is at (not surprisingly) Humanities. - David Biddulph (talk) 15:48, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

tabs help

Hi,

I am trying to figure out how to make/ configure/ or use a template to create tabs on my project page that look like these tabs: Wikipedia: GLAM/National Archives and Records Administration. I have not been able to find any templates or sources that help me do this. I want to give the tabs my own titles and have them appear blank when I first get them so I can fill them in.

Please help me figure out how to create tabs, or link me to a good template for tabs. Thanks!!!!!!! OR drohowa (talk) 15:57, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

The tabs on Wikipedia:GLAM/National Archives and Records Administration are implemented through Wikipedia:GLAM/National Archives and Records Administration/Tab header. You can use a similar format and modify it to suit your requirements. - David Biddulph (talk) 16:22, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

template on my article says i dont have reliable sources

Please review my article Hanwant Mal Lodha, the template says that I do not have reliable sources or references on my article, there are no references available on the internet but the information is available on the subject's blogs which wikipedia wont allow me to add in references, other information are from the law journals, which we have referred from, and i have written in the references section. If you think they are suitable then please remove the template. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.99.194.189 (talk) 16:26, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

I have moved your message to the foot of the page, as that is where new messages are found. - David Biddulph (talk) 16:31, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Blogs are almost never reliable sources, and the subject's own publications are not independent, and so are not regarded as adequate either for notability or for supporting content other than uncontroversial factual information. References are required to be inline to identify the information that they are supporting (see WP:Referencing for beginners). Finally, the "reported cases" that you have adduced almost certainly say nothing about the subject except that he represented certain parties. In order to have a Wikipedia article about a subject, there must be multiple reliable secondary sources, independent of the subject, which have written at length about the subject; so in this case it would require articles in books or journals written about Hanwant Mal Lodha. These do not have to be online, or in English, but they have to exist and be referenced in the article, otherwise the article fails to establish that the subject is notable (in Wikipedia's special sense) and the article will be deleted. --ColinFine (talk) 17:44, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Demande de publication

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Réflexion sur la « rupture avec le passé : Kemit » (Olugasa Ombeni, 2013) La méconnaissance historique étant une rupture d’un peuple avec son passé. C’est mourir pour mieux renaître. La renaissance tant caressée par les peuples africains d’Afrique et du Monde Noir, la conscience historique est un retour permanent permettant de faire renaitre le passé fascinant et glorieux. Comme toute entreprise humaine ou tout défi d’un peuple, la connaissance historique permet de surmonter les difficultés et retrouver en soi une connaissance du passé solide et outillée, une vigueur et une résistance Pharaonique (grandiose) Noir de qui nous descendions. C’est une nouvelle étape de maturité pour un peuple qui fut pendant longtemps traumatisé et renié (relégué dans le processus de reconstruction du monde) dans tous domaines de la vie humaine, qui passe par le fait de réinvestir ce que l’on avait oublié en lui et négligé en soi parce que d’autres (les détracteurs) l’ont voulu le faire croire qu’il était inférieur et incapable de se prendre en main dans toutes possibilités intellectuelles en vue de découvrir, de réapprendre, de rétablir, de comprendre, de réécrire et de retransmettre en lui seul son passé séculaire. Au travers les mauvaises expériences vécues avec l’autre, en l’occurrence de l’occident, sa politique d’assimilation et paternaliste, sa religion sauvage et détestable, son économie gourmande de dominante au détriment des autres et son modèle sociologique discriminatoire et raciste, la souffrance, la misère, la pauvreté, la guerre, la violence, le viol, la drogue et la cigarette blanches, la prostitution et la pornographie roses, l’assassinat par assassinats, le transfert des maladies (vaccins), l’approvisionnement des armes à feu, la démocratie commercialisée, le système immobilier comme monnaie courante de contrôle d’espaces et d’exploitation, le terrorisme moyen de justifier sa démocratie, les prises d’otages complotés et bien d’autres moyens conceptuels et internationaux de domination et de destruction, nous apprenons, nous désapprenons, nous réapprenons et nous comprenons ce que l’on attend de la vie, ce que l’on attend de la grande humiliation et réduction humaine (déshumanisation et asservissement) que nous avons connues et que nous connaissons aujourd’hui, en effet, nous faisons face à une haute vitesse technologique internationalisée et génie génétiquement humain et OGM (organisme génétiquement modifié). Rien de plus que nous pourrons souhaiter; le sentiment ou ce retour historique nous permettra de nous mettre en marche vers une rencontre plus authentique, digne, respectueuse et responsable avec nous-mêmes et avec un nouveau partenaire volontaire. Il est rare de rencontrer dans la vie ou dans ce monde sauvage où nous avons été habitués à des humiliations, où le noir est visible dans sa torpeur d’aliénation dans son aliénation confortable, dans son autodénigrement, dans son autodésaffirmation et dans son autodestruction seulement dans les domaines des peuples qui savent rendent justice à part ceux-là qui l’ont humilié et prétendent encore combler son fossé alors qu’ils sont d’abord injustes à son égard parce qu’il a appris à bâtir des ponts pour promouvoir un échange bilatéral des connaissances scientifiques et technologiques. Pas même leur assistance soi-disant alimentaire et pacifique la plus humiliante et hypocrite dont la plupart d’entre nous attendent encore recevoir avec les démarches de dénonciation, de négociation et de réconciliation. Dans ce retour permanent, il est communément dit : « construire peut être difficile et détruire c’est aussi facile » ; il faut une rupture avec l’autre parce qu’il apparait comme la bâtisse que nous voulions démanteler. Alors que nous sommes appelés à nous servir de cet adage universel pour nous désendoctriner ou désaliéner ou désignorer des religions barbares (judaïsme, christianisme et islam) et nous déprogrammer du paradigme universel inventé par nos anciens colons dont précisément nous n’avons pas la maternité ni la moindre vision de voir ce monde du même oeil, alors que pour nous, se déprogrammer du système politico-économique et Onusien-pharmaceutique est une démarche de solidarité ancestrale africaine, kamite, dont également nous n’avons pas été des concepteurs ou architectes ni des applicateurs et éditeurs, d’autres parmi nous, n’arrêtent de se faire prendre étant « possesseurs » de ces savoirs en blanc-rosés dans les idéologies universelles et affirment être satisfaits avec les pincettes des statistiques et propagandes souvent délivrées sous le dictat des organisations dites internationales, en l’occurrence de l’ONU et ses enfants pays occidentaux. Mais cette même organisation, ONU en sigle, a été conçue, élaborée et établie par les anciens négriers, esclavagistes et colonialistes afin de protéger leurs propres intérêts et perpétuer la boucherie humaine, est là comme et, est la voie et la voix des nations et entreprises occidentales pour éteindre ou neutraliser tout processus du génie noir pour son peuple noir et d’ailleurs toutes les injustices et répartitions inégales de nos richesses dont nous sommes séculairement victimes trouvent leur sens dans les organisations dites internationales. En outre, nous reconnaissons tous ensemble si quelqu’un s'éloigne de toi et bien laisse-le aller et s’il est fort que toi, fais la sourde méfiance et il comprendra en quoi tu as été toujours important pour lui et il existe grâce à toi. Ton destin n’est jamais lié à lui seul, cela signifie simplement que sa part dans ton histoire de vie est terminée et reste comme une oubliette ou historiette. Responsabilisons-nous chers compatriotes kamites, le Dieu de nos ancêtres et de nous-mêmes, qui a fait que la noirceur nous couvre, nous témoigne et nous résiste, sait que pour certains peuples esclavagistes, colonisateurs, impérialistes, religieux, instigateurs de l’apartheid, du génocide au Rwanda et de carnages dans le Congo, des assassinats par assassinat c’est vraiment un stade de soulagement mais pour d’autres parmi nous ce serait trop difficile. Mais nous ne devons pas construire notre destin sur le paradigme de la vie des autres peuples. La construction de nos rêves dépend de nous-mêmes et nous devons la vivre pour nous-mêmes ainsi que nous serons plus en mesure de la vivre avec les autres et la partager. Responsabilisons-nous et nous serons capables de responsabiliser des générations futures. Nos détracteurs et falsificateurs de notre histoire comptent beaucoup sur nos filles et fils parce que pour eux, ceux-ci se baigneront dans la matrice de la domination, de l’endoctrinement et de l’aliénation confortable, de l’autodénigrement, de l’autodésaffirmation et de l’autodestruction dont ils sont les vrais instigateurs. En guise de conclusion, la renaissance africaine à voir avec mes quelques démarches que j’ai entreprises et pensées que j’ai construites dans les rapports et apports de compréhension du sens ultime de la conscience historique dont il est maintenant convenu d’attribuer la paternité à l’historien le plus éminent et influent, Cheihk Anta Diop, est devenu assez logiquement le signifiant d’un horizon savant le plus désirable pour tous les Savants Noirs, Kamites. C’est à point précis que mon rêve vient de se canaliser : « adaptons doucement certaines pratiques historiques, culturelles et spirituelles-religieuses et apprenons ensemble qu’en respect, rien n’est inutile si nous choisissons ensemble nos limites et bien tout est possible. Une vieille histoire vivace (Afrique) doit se préparer dès le début de l’histoire, ce qui est notre repère du passé, une vigilance permanente sur ce passé et surprises abondantes est les prémices d’une histoire moderne, organique, stable et harmonique entre peuples de l’histoire avec l’autre. Plus encore que la compréhension historique substitutive administrée aux anciens avec rigueur et dialogue, le sentiment et la conscience historiques sagement et savamment discutés et entretenus stimulent et entretiennent la coopération jusqu’aux exploits. Chaque histoire dans sa naissance et son évolution de son apogée doit dans sa mesure et limite retransmettre les us et coutumes et les outils de celle-ci. Olugasa, c'est un nom que j'ai inventé qui désigne Ombeni, Lumumba, Garvey et Sankara: Demande de l'ouverture de la justice

(email address removed Rojomoke (talk) 21:43, 14 August 2013 (UTC)) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.210.84.207 (talk) 19:05, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

This is the English Wikipedia; you may be looking for fr:? - ????

fr:WP:Guilde des Guides -- Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 14:02, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

temporarily shut down page

How can I temporarily take down a wiki page that I published too soon? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.5.254.13 (talk) 19:13, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

If you're the only contributor, you can just redirect the page to another relevant page (for example, redirecting a page about an album to the album's artist) or if you want it actually deleted you can put {{Db-g7}} at the top and an administrator will delete it shortly. Scarce2 (talk) 19:45, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

You could also, assuming that you have an account and Move rights, move it to a sandbox under your username and then have the redirect deleted. Dismas|^(talk) 21:02, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

ClueBot edit didn't stick

A few weeks ago ClueBot reverted vandalism at Chrome steel. However, the content is still visible on the page, though it's missing from the source when you go to edit. What could be causing this, and how could it be fixed? I tried purging. --BDD (talk) 19:58, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

I just did a purge and it seems to have gone now, although I have no idea why that didn't work when you tried it. January (talk) 20:29, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

August 15

How to create a square of 4 images

Hi, I'm wondering how I would go about putting together 4 images into a square shape. I know how to put them all in a horizontal line, but I'd like it to be 2 on top, then 2 on the bottom. All I should need is the template. Thanks! Delaywaves • talk 00:58, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Something like this, perhaps?

Hope that helps, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 01:10, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

You can make your own table like above. {{Image array}} or {{Photomontage}} are also possible, depending on the formatting you want. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:18, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

That photo montage looks perfect! I have two questions. First, do you know if I could somehow put the caption more "inside" the box?

Example caption

I inserted the montage that I'm planning, and as you can see, the caption is sort of off to the side, as opposed to inside the box like a normal thumbnail photo. Secondly, do you know how to align the photo on the right side of the page? Delaywaves • talk 01:46, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Example caption

I think it's mainly intended for infoboxes. If that's not how you want to use it then the source shows some undocumented parameters. Here I used | text = Example caption | position = right. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:28, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Works perfectly! Thank you very much. Delaywaves • talk 15:35, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Imperial Sugar Company

The Imperial Sugar Company history of Spreckels Sugar Company link at the bottom of the Spreckels Sugar Company article takes me to the Ruth Lake Country Club. Looks bad to me unless I am missing something. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmstarry (talk • contribs) 02:17, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

I removed the link. RudolfRed (talk) 04:19, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Convert weights to stone?

How common is it for people to report their weight in stones? Is this something that we should be adding to infoboxes for people's weight? If so, what if they are American or of some other nationality that doesn't use stones on a regular basis? I realize that we used both feet and meters or pounds and kilos but since stones are so limited in their acceptance/use. Dismas|^(talk) 03:46, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

There are only three countries in the world which haven't officially metricated, the USA, Libya and Burma. As you say, the US doesn't use stones. Libya and Burma are not primarily English speaking countries. I see no place for conversions to stones. HiLo48 (talk) 03:58, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

There is a difference between being "officially metricated" and the old units being out of use. Many British people still describe their weight in stones, though I don't know what statistics are available on the proportion who do so. As is mentioned in the article on stones, the unit is still used in Britain to describe the weight of such sportsmen as boxers and jockeys, and it is similarly used for oarsmen at Henley Royal Regatta. Whether it should be used in an infobox probably depends on the context. - David Biddulph (talk) 04:13, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

In my experience British people measure their weight either in Kg or in stones and pounds, never just in pounds. So I would say that this is an example of WP:ENGVAR: if there is reason to give the weight of a British person (which there hardly ever will be, apart from certain sports) it should be in Kg and stones/pounds. -- ColinFine (talk) 10:05, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

An annoyance (to British ears) of the film Bridget Jones's Diary was the way she reported her weight in pounds only, rather than stones and pounds (as I believe she did in the original book). AndrewWTaylor (talk) 10:54, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Book article titles

I want to create an article about a book. How do you make the article title appear in italic like The Selfish Gene?--I am One of Many (talk) 06:19, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

I believe I see the answer. If the first words of the article are in italic, the article title appears in italic.--I am One of Many (talk) 06:28, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

No, if I have a book info box, then the title is italic.--I am One of Many (talk) 06:34, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Template:Infobox book, yup. I answered my own question.--I am One of Many (talk) 06:36, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Well done! The book infobox, along with other infoboxes such as film, does cause the title to be displayed in italics.  drewmunn  talk  07:15, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

And if you don't want to use an infobox, adding the template {{italic title}} in the article will also cause the article's title to appear in italics. Deor (talk) 20:06, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Many similar user names

While correcting some cut and paste moves, I came across this article: Guy Huygens. Checking the editing history, I found that it had been editing be various editors whose names began with the word Frank. It looks like someone was creating a new user name for each edit. Is this a problem, and if so, should anything be done about it? —Anne Delong (talk) 06:43, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Multiple accounts are perfectly acceptable if they are correctly used. Many Wikimedia employees have multiple accounts to differentiate work edits from hobby contributions. Similarly, you may choose to have one account that focusses on a specific area, and another on a different area. However, it is usually good form to note that you have another active account on each of the user accounts' home page. See WP:SOCK#LEGIT for information on this. However, if the multiple accounts are used to evade sanctions or guidelines, as seems to be the case here (after a cursory glance through), then it is simple sock-puppetry. For information on how to handle a possible case of sock-puppetting read the guidelines on the topic. There are range of tools and methods that may help you, and a range of more knowledgable sock-puppet investigators to help if you want assistance. Finally, apply the duck test: "If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck". In this case, if they look like a sock-puppet, they probably are!  drewmunn  talk  07:13, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

I'm sure Anne's instinct is right, there has to be something wrong here. The article appears to have been created as an uncredited translation from fr.wp. That article has also been edited by many Franks, and was created as a more-or-less straight copy-paste from here (2009 version of that page). Unfortunately the English version of the same page does not seem to have been archived, so it's hard to see if ours was copied straight from it. Even if it hasn't, I think (but am fully open to correction) that a translation of a copyvio is still a copyvio. I suspect it should be blanked as such. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 23:31, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Biographical article by spouse?

I think my husband is notable enough to merit a biographical article on Wikipedia. Can a spouse start a biographical article on someone? If not, can I nominate my husband for consideration? Thanks. --Madeleine852 (talk) 07:47, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for asking rather than just going ahead and doing it. The guideline is WP:Conflict of interest. It's probably better for you not to do it, but to put in a request at WP:Requested articles; but if you do some of the legwork by finding the multiple substantial references in independent reliable sources vthat are required to establish notability, that may make your request more attractive to a potential editor. --ColinFine (talk) 10:08, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Colin - I will do that.--Madeleine852 (talk) 04:42, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Citation template markup format

Hi, I'm a fairly experienced editor but I have a question about citation templates. In the page markup I usually put separate template fields on separate lines to make the markup more readable:

<ref>{{cite book
  | last =
  | first =
  | title =
  . . .
 }}</ref>

rather than <ref>{{cite book | last = | first = | title = . . . }}</ref> I've never noticed any difference in the operation of the template between these two formats. However, a while ago someone said not to do that; he said something about the page couldn't be searched properly if the fields were on separate lines. I can't remember where I read this, and I couldn't find anything in the help pages about it. So I thought I'd check with you experts. Is there anything wrong with breaking the citation template between separate lines? Thank you for your help. --Chetvorno^TALK 08:03, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

The only possible reason of the top of my head that this could cause an issue would be with the line numbers on revisions, although these rarely make sense anyway. I personally find that placing each parameter of different lines makes it a bit harder to tell where you are in the source, as finding distinct paragraphs can be harder. However, I understand the reasons behind it, and respect them also. If you do find that there is a viable reason for you not to place them across lines, maybe look into the ProveIt tool, which give you a bit of a more intuitive interface to work from with sources.  drewmunn  talk  08:35, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

When I have come across this style of formatting in a page I have been editing, I have been grateful. It makes it much easier to spot where the main text resumes after the </ref> tag. I shall consider using it myself. Maproom (talk) 13:33, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, that's how I feel; a chunk of markup with a lot of "horizontal" format citation templates is almost unreadable. But a lot of editors feel differently, and will actually come along and change the format of my citation templates to the more compact "horizontal" format. However the ProveIt bot that Drewmunn suggested above looks like it might be a big help. I'm going to give it a try. Thank you both for the courteous help! Cheers --Chetvorno^TALK 15:18, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

I personally prefer the multi-line approach, but I have seen them get collapsed onto a single line automatically by VisualEditor, or for the data to end up at the start of the next line, instead of up in the correct place next to the relevant parameter. The bug hasn't got a priority set, so it may be a while before it's fixed. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 21:41, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

dis lock

please i am in austria and my senior brother wife in nigeria after removing her honda pilot model 2003 the disc locked and she dont know the pin . — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marclauren (talk • contribs) 09:08, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

This is for questions relating specifically to Wikipedia. Thanks, DarkToonLink^Heyaah! 09:19, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

As DarkToonLink says, this is a page for questions about using Wikipedia. You might find somebody who can help you at the miscellaneous reference desk , but I think you would probably have better luck consulting a Honda dealer. I was going to say the computer reference desk until I googled to find out what kind of a thing the Honda Pilot is - it was the reference to a disc that confused me --ColinFine (talk) 10:15, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Updating company logo with new version? I am stuck!

Dear Wikipedia

I represent the Australian International School in Singapore. We have recently changed the school logo but the Wikipedia page for the school is still showing the old crest, I can't for the life of me work out how to update this - it's important to us that people see the new logo (we've had a few cases recently of outside providers coming in to present to us, and they have lifted the old logo fromt the Wikipedia page assuming it is still current).

You may check our website www.ais.com.sg to verify this information.

If you could update the page with the new logo or give me simple instructions on how I might go about that I would be very grateful.

Kind regards

Claire Ettinger Communications Manager — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ais singapore (talk • contribs) 10:55, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi Claire. First off, you should change you user name. Names that suggest a user represents and is working on behalf of an organisation are not allowed. Secondly, you should read WP:IMAGES and WP:UPLOAD for instructions on how to upload images. Only confirmed users can do so. Your account will be auto-confirmed after four days and ten edits, or you can ask for immediate confirmation. I can't find the link for that ATM but I'm sure someone else will shortly. As I assume the school will want to maintain copyright control of the image, it should be uploaded to en:Wikipedia itself, and not to the Wiki Commons. I hope that helps. Rojomoke (talk) 12:56, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

To enlarge on what Rojomoke said, it should probably be uploaded to Wikipedia because we're guessing the School will not want to licence it, so it will need to be uploaded according to the very restrictive rules for using non-free content. Note that you (and the school) do not have control of the article itself, and indeed you are discouraged from editing it (though updating the logo will be fine). Please see WP:Conflict of interest. --ColinFine (talk) 16:22, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Conflict of Interest, Company Article

Resolved

DISCLOSURE: I am an employee of the United Hospital Fund, and I am seeking to help correct inaccuracies on the article about this company.

The United Hospital Fund (UHF) is a nonprofit health policy research organization in New York City. I am an employee of UHF, and I recently noticed that someone created an article about UHF that contains numerous inaccuracies. I have set up a user account to correct these inaccuracies and suggest more relevant content.

I want to be very careful to follow WP’s COI guidelines. Following the advice on the COI page and other helpdesk/forum discussions on company articles, here are the steps I’ve taken so far:

• Read up on COI policy, WP:BFAQ, and other relevant guidelines.
• Created an identity and user page indicating my employment at UHF.
• On the Talk page of the article on UHF, pointed out the inaccuracies and suggested broad changes.
• Left a related note on the Talk page of the user who created the page and wrote the article. (No response.)
• On a subpage of my user page, drafted an updated article on UHF, following WP’s guidelines on NPOV, notability, sources, etc.
• Disclosed my relation to the subject at every step.

I’d now like to ask for the attention and advice of experienced editors and the community at large. Is it appropriate to ask a neutral editor to review what I’ve put together on the subpage of my user page? Other suggestions on what I should be doing next?

Relevant pages are linked to above; the subpage where I’ve drafted additional language about UHF is here: User:Miles_at_UHF/draft_updates_on_United_Hospital_Fund.

Thanks very much for your help.

Miles at UHF (talk) 14:08, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Um, Wow. If every person who wanted the wikipedia page about their company/organization improved did what you have done, I'd die happy and think Jimbo Wales would be promoted to God. Having said that, there a *few* *minor* comments on the proposed new article.

• I see that you used the old *further reading* as a reference, I know you said the old reference 1 was not useable in the new version of the article, is the old reference 2?
• You may want to look at {{cite doi}} and {{cite pubmed}} for the references out of journals, that way all that needs to be in the article is the doi or pubmed and the information is pulled by a "bot" from databases with that information in it (and it only has to exist in one place even if multiple articles use it.

However *both* issues can be dealt with after the new information has been placed there. You may also want to put a message on User talk:Kipd letting him know since he started the article back in 2010 and contributed the most to it. If no one more experienced has copied this over within a day or so or raised a *significant* objection, I'll move it as soon as I can.Naraht (talk) 18:33, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Naraht, thank you very much for your review, encouragement, and suggestions! In answer to your minor points:

• The old reference 2 isn’t flat-out wrong -- it does describe the association’s fundraising efforts of that year (1893) -- but it’s not particularly relevant. (There are dozens of similar New York Times articles from the late 19th century reporting on the association’s annual fundraising activities.)
• Thanks for the suggestion about the citation bots. I’ll look into them in the next few days.

I did leave a brief note on kipd’s user talk page, I’ll add another after the changes are up. (And if other questions come up, I’ll keep an eye out for them on the United Hospital Fund talk page and my user page, rather than here at the helpdesk.)

Thanks again. Miles at UHF (talk) 19:57, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

I read your note on kipd's page, that seems fine, but I looked at his contributions page and it appears that he has only edited on two days in the last two years, so I wouldn't wait on his response to do anything. I've copied your draft to mainspace and started making tweeks there.Naraht (talk) 21:11, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

I found an incorrect information in your website....

To Whom It May Concern

Firstly, I would like to show my respect for your managing this valuable website. My name is Hyewon Yang. I am a student and a member of the Voluntary Agency Network of Korea (VANK) in Korea. VANK is a non-government, volunteer organization, composed of students ranging from elementary school to college and adults who wish to tell correct information about Korea to foreign textbooks and publishing companies.

I would like to inform you that your website includes information that seriously distort image of Korea and that could develop into diplomatic problem between Korea and Japan. We Koreans were surprised to see that your website marks Korea’s island Dokdo as Liancourt Rocks. Please refer to this link of your website: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ks.html

The name Liancourt Rocks is originated from France’s whaling vessel Le Liancourt that discovered Dokdo in 1849. Even though Korea, with sovereign control over the island, uses an official name “Dokdo,” temporary term named by French ship is used by your institution and is spreading globally. This is a big problem as people throughout the world recognize “Liancourt Rocks” as standard name.

Now, you might wonder why Korea is so sensitive about the correct name of Dokdo.

Dokdo is one of the most loved islands in Korea and is Korea’s one of major fishing grounds. In addition, Ulleungdo near Dokdo is the global tourist site. For instance, in 2010, world famous travel magazine, announced that Korea’s Ulleungdo is one of the best recreational site chosen by world’s tourists. According to this magazine, Ulleungdo offers spectacular scenery, preserving the nature from ancient times, and has abundant source of water unlike other islands; neighboring waters, with Dokdo, is the biggest fishing ground in the East Sea. On clear days, Dokdo can be seen from Ulleungdo with naked eye. Historically, for 1500 years, Ulleungdo and Dokdo were referred to as the island of mother and son, which indicates its important close relationship.

Therefore, your institution calling this domestically and internationally crucial island “Liancourt Rocks” will confuse many foreigners and ships visiting Ulleungdo and Dokdo. In addition, your institution might be responsible for physical and mental damage done to Koreans. Above all things, negligence of the term “Liancourt Rocks” would build uncomfortable feelings from Koreans toward your institution and country, and this would become an obstacle to our countries’ friendship.

As a member of VANK, I request that your institution use “Dokdo” instead of “Liancourt Rocks” in all parts of the website that provides information of Korea. For more information on geographical designation of Dokdo in Korean tourist guidebook, visit this website: http://prkorea.com/tour/img/dokdo.gif

We know that your website is putting much effort in understanding other cultures, countries, and designations in this global, informational 21st century. Particularly, your website is contributing towards many people’s correct understanding of other countries’ geographical names and cultures.

We hope you listen to our request kindly.

VANK — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.196.26.60 (talk) 14:54, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

This is the English-language Wikipedia. As such, we go by the principle that articles are given the names most commonly used in the English language for the subject. It's as simple as that. This does not mean that the Wikimedia Foundation is taking any position on disputes regarding the subject; we're just following our own rules. I'm sorry if you don't find this satisfactory. --Orange Mike | Talk 15:00, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Note to other editors: standard territorial dispute Liancourt Rocks dispute. The place to request a rename is Talk:Liancourt Rocks. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 15:02, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

St. Angelo Airport Enniskillen Co- Fermanagh

Corporate Air no longer operate at Enniskillen Airport. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.51.227.62 (talk • contribs) 18:59, 15 August 2013‎ (UTC)

Neon (Jay Sean Album)

Greetings Wikipedia,

I'm trying to add another review to the Critical Response section for the Neon (Jay Sean Album) Article. However, a user by the name of Koala15 keeps removing my unbiased, cited edit. Please help. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thealexkarl13 (talk • contribs) 19:03, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Please discuss it on the article's talk page. See WP:BRD. RudolfRed (talk) 20:13, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

IFEQ

So I'm using parser function IFEQ and I can't find out one thing. I want function to mean this:

ifeq: (something)|1 OR 2 OR 3 OR...|(another something)

So my question is: how to do those OR??

Robotukas11 (talk) 19:23, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Like most programming languages, the parser function language doesn't allow natural language constructs like "if a is 1 or 2 or 3". But it does support the equivalent of "if a is 1 or a is 2 or a is 3" by using #ifexpr. See Help:Conditional expressions. --ColinFine (talk) 22:35, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

It sounds like you want Help:Switch parser function. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:44, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Religion by...

Why is it that you can search 'jews' in british entertainement, tv, etc and it gives all names and why, which parent they got their 'jew' side from.

Why does the same pages show 'jews by continenant' search box ?

Why cant i do this for CHRiSTiAN, MUSLiM, Hindu or any other religon for that matter.

i find it anti semetic and dangerous that we are still keeping records of who are jews after the WWii holocaust, NO LESSONS LEARNT

Can it be removed ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.75.20.116 (talk) 19:37, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

I believe it is due to the fact that Jewish is also an ethnic group besides being a religion. There is no "Christian" ethnic group. Dismas|^(talk) 20:41, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

But this is a question which has often been debated for particular Wikipedia articles, with some editors adding 'Jewish' to the article on anybody who they believe to be Jewish, and others removing it expect where this is an identity which the subject has explicitly claimed. WP:CATEGRS discusses the issue with respect to categories, but similar principles apply for the content.. --ColinFine (talk) 22:41, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Donation question

Dear Sirs,

When I log on to Wikipedia, you ask for a donation, yet you refuse to acknowledge me as an inclusion.

I have had my songs released on 23 albums, and a new release pending in Japan, August 2013

I feel that I should be included, and would gladly donate if all things were fair.

Regards

Keith Law Singer/songwriter — Preceding unsigned comment added by Velvettfogg (talk • contribs) 20:07, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

If we based article content on whether we received donations from article subjects, we'd soon lose any credibility. You are under no obligation to donate - and we are under no obligation to have an article about you. AndyTheGrump (talk) 20:19, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

If you fulfil the Wikipedia notability criteria, there is no reason for you not be included as a subject. However, note that we can't keep up to date with every single notable subject, so some things are not added when they should be, or do not get the attention they deserve. This is a byproduct of having a volunteer workforce attempting to tackle such a massive task. If you feel you satisfy the notability requirements, feel free to request the creation of an article at WP:AfC. As the subject, you would be discouraged from personally creating or editing this page, but you could potentially provide some invaluable resources and references.  drewmunn  talk  20:24, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

The only attempts that I see where someone tried to create an article about Keith Law were in 2007 and 2010. The 2007 version was too short to explain why the subject was notable enough as a musician to be kept. The 2010 version was moved to your user page in an effort, I suspect, for you to be able to fix it to conform to our layout and style guidelines. Though there's also the fact that we discourage anyone from writing about themselves. The main reason being that most people find it difficult to write about themselves in a neutral and objective way. As for why nobody else has written about Keith Law, I can't say. But we all contribute voluntarily on subjects that are of interest to us. It may just be that one of our contributors just hasn't gotten around to writing about Keith Law just yet. We don't have anyone telling us what to write about. We find a subject that isn't covered yet and, if we have time, write about it. Dismas|^(talk) 20:33, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

What does (current) mean when you go into your contributions?

Certain articles I have edited have (current) beside them, what does this mean?--Smashton Pumpkin (talk) 20:22, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

It means that your edit is the current one, and that no further edits have been made to that page since you changed it. Anything you added is visible to readers.  drewmunn  talk  20:24, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Making my article 'exist.'

I've created a page and this has been accepted after some editing. I was told it needed to be 'cleaned up' and I've done that, and I was told it was 'an orphan' so I've linked to it from suggested pages. These links however shoe that the 'page does not exist.'

The page I've created is 'Skerryvore (Band)'

It opens when I type this in the search page.

What am I doing wrong or what else do I need to do?

Thanks

W — Preceding unsigned comment added by Weststandman (talk • contribs) 20:30, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

The page that you created was "Skerryvore (band)" and NOT "Skerryvore (Band)". Capitalization counts. That's why your efforts to make a link don't work. Also, the article needs quite a bit of work. Dismas|^(talk) 20:36, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

A correct link to the page - Skerryvore (band). -- Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 20:46, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Editing "Microcontroller" but getting undefined reference.. that exist and is triple checked

I tried to get the reference error "Cite error: The named reference flash was invoked but never defined" for the reference "flash" solved in the article "Microcontroller", but failed. Anyone that can figure out what's wrong? Electron9 (talk) 20:49, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi, Electron7. I found this: <references /> hanging out in the middle of the article for no apparent reason. I removed it, and a bunch of refs flooded in. Problem solved. Deadbeef 21:13, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Yikes.. Quite unexpected. thanks for fixing it anyway :-) Electron9 (talk) 00:18, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Recreating a page

I would like to know to verify someone's notability so that I can create their page again. I would like to create a page for Greg Ammon, listing his documentary that he produced and directed, as that is a notable piece of work he has finished. Please advise on if that is notable, and if not, why. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ms348911 (talk • contribs) 21:49, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Greg Ammon (2nd nomination). If Ammon wasn't notable three days ago, he isn't now. AndyTheGrump (talk) 21:52, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

..., as was explained at #Page was deleted above, yesterday. - David Biddulph (talk) 22:05, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

The general notability guideline is at WP:GNG. The notability criteria for people can be found at WP:BIO. One of these sets of criteria must be fulfilled in order for a person to be the subject of a Wikipedia article. - Karenjc 22:11, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Major General David Common Chief USMTM has wrong information

Gentleman and Ladies,

Your Wikipedia article on Major General David Commons, Chief United States Military Training Mission has some wrong information. I just left The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia as the U.S. Defense Attaché to the Kingdom. The Chief USMTM does not carry the additional title United State Defense Representative. First this term has been outdated for several years and second the U.S. Defense Attaché carries the title as the Department of Defense and Secretaries representative to the country. Please check your fact. the U.S. Embassy in Riyadh would be a great place to start.

Regards,

Colonel Robert K. Carnahan — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.129.144.179 (talk) 23:25, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

No article on David Commons. I assume that you are referring to United States Military Training Mission? - David Biddulph (talk) 23:34, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

According to http://usmtm.org/chief-bio.html and http://usmtm.org/chiefs.html the current chief is Thomas P. Harwood III who replaced David L. Commons in July. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:54, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

I have updated the Chief and removed the title U.S. Defense Representative. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:47, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Dear Colonel Carnahan, I believe your statement is a simple matter of verbage. While calling the USMTM chief the US defense rep... is wrong since the USMTM chief is not the sole US defense rep in country; the USMTM chief is the senior United States Defense Representative(as it on the USMTM website)[1]. v/r — -dainomite   05:13, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

August 16

Man, I'm so lost!

I've been diligent in clicking and reading help pages. Here is my question: the GOCE notices are piling up on my personal talk page. Am I allowed to edit my talk page and clean some of those out? I want to become more active (on Wikipedia in general) and would appreciate any links that you think may be most helpful. (Now to re-read the welcome-to-Wikipedia links on my talk page...) CousinJohn (talk) 03:12, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Of course! Delete away. You can put Groucho glasses on them if you want. Your talk page is pretty much under your control. The only things you generally cannot remove are declined unblock requests and speedy deletion tags. See WP:OWNTALK. Although archiving human messages is recommended, for automated notices such as those you wouldn't even normally do that.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 03:45, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

@CousinJohn: Per WP:Talk, you're free to delete any and all postings on your personal user talk page. You can also archive older talk page postings, if for some reason you think you might want to look at them again. For routine newsletters, I personally don't see much point in archiving, but that's just my personal opinion.

The welcome-to-Wikipedia links are really a good place to start, for newcomers like you. But often it's better just to jump in - you've signed up for GOCE newsletters, for example, so every time they have a joint project is an potential opportunity to learn new things. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 03:49, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Phantom section on a page

Where is section 15 coming from at Wikipedia talk:Today's articles for improvement?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/WP:FOUR/WP:CHICAGO/WP:WAWARD) 03:23, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

<h2 id="mp-tfp-h2" style="margin:3px; background:#f2cedd; font-size:120%; font-weight:bold; border:1px solid #bfa3af; text-align:left; color:#000; padding:0.2em 0.4em">Today's articles for improvement</h2> - the fact it is an <h2> means it is a L2 heading. ~Charmlet ^-talk- 03:29, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Can you change it so there is not heading?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/WP:FOUR/WP:CHICAGO/WP:WAWARD) 23:52, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

My page was deleted in error!

My article entitles Ansar El Muhammad the Allah Master J Man is an article about the leader and teacher of a religious group called the Ansar El Muhammad we are Muslim and we are a well established group and non profit organization, we have multiple websites and an established Temple. This article in intended for people who are interested in know more about the Allah Master J Man which would be very helpful for us. Please reconsider deleting our page and if it is approved please help us properly upload it! — Preceding unsigned comment added by AnsarElMuhammad (talk • contribs) 03:28, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not the place to promote you or your group members. As you have a clear conflict of interest, it's best to wait until someone unconnected with your group decides the subject is notable and writes an article. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 04:14, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Adding the Definition of a Word

Is it possible to submit a request to have the definition of a word or object to be added to Wikipedia? Is this the same as submitting a request for an article, even though a definition if of course much shorter than an article — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.228.54.242 (talk) 04:10, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Wikpedia is not a dictionary. You won't find simple definitions of words here. Try our sister project, Wiktionary. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 04:17, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

I have copies of the salesman Urban (Oban)

I have these from wiki, and now there's not even a mention of him. Can someone help me on this? thanksMensatop2 (talk) 04:40, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Could you be more clear as to what you're asking? I, for one, have no idea who you are talking about. Dismas|^(talk) 04:57, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

I have some idea. Mensatop2 created an article Basilica The cannon that the salesman Urban had built to destroy the walls of the Constantinople, which was speedy deleted. But I don't understand his question. Maproom (talk) 08:26, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

language transfer

can I send someone a text in English and it gets to him or her in another language? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.246.55.142 (talk) 06:31, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Have you tried Google Translate? It's not perfect, and it sometimes trips up over syntax and similar issues, but it's one of the best computer-based interpreters I've found.  drewmunn  talk  08:20, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

What's the deal with 66.208.111.99?

My question about this account at the Teahouse lead one user to suspect a sock puppet bot since the removal of content on the "Types of bots" page coincided with the time the IP address began editing (within a day). The investigation was declined, however.

I'm not saying something nefarious is necessarily going on, but I'm at a loss to explain the motivation behind this IP's edits. Vzaak (talk) 06:55, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

To me, it looks like they enjoy breaking or removing templates. I'm not sure if a sock-puppet investigation is worth it, but you may be interested in requesting a block for vandalism; they certainly seem to be engaging in disruptive editing to me!  drewmunn  talk  08:18, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Floating table below infobox

Hi. Has anybody an idea how I can tell the release table on ePSXe to be below the Infobox without adding a {{-}}? Thanks in advance. --KAMiKAZOW (talk) 09:21, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Have you tried {{clear}}? Not sure if it would work per se in this case, but worth a try!  drewmunn  talk  09:37, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

I couldn't avoid blank space with {{-}} or {{clear}}. I used {{stack}} instead.[2] It reserves the same width for the two boxes so there is a little unused space to the left of the infobox but apart from that it looks OK in Firefox. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:59, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Stack works fine. Thank you. --KAMiKAZOW (talk) 10:24, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Citing a marriage certificate

Hi, I was wondering whether a marriage certificate is an acceptable source for an FAC candidate, and how I might go about citing it. It is a 1937 certificate registering the marriage of Jo Stafford to John Huddleston (see here and here for details). If I can cite it, what parameters do I need for the source detail? Thanks in advance. Paul MacDermott (talk) 11:30, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

@Paul MacDermott: Since it's not a published source (most likely) it fails the "can I go and verify it" test. If it's published somewhere, then it may be acceptable, but it's still a primary source, and so those rules apply (especially WP:BLPPRIMARY). I'd try to find something else personally. ~Charmlet ^-talk- 13:47, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Jo Stafford died in 2008, so unless John Huddleston is still alive (unlikely, since he was 25 years old in 1937), WP:BLPPRIMARY wouldn't apply. There is still the problem that it is a primary source though, and technically I'm not sure it can be used to source the fact that the Jo Stafford in our article married a John Huddleston in 1937, though given all the details, it certainly looks valid (ignoring the question as to whether it is actually'published' - opinions seem to differ regarding such documents). What exactly is the certificate being used to verify? AndyTheGrump (talk) 14:15, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, guys. I wanted to use it as a source for the date of her marriage, but it's possible, I guess, that it could concern a different couple who happen to share the same names. This article from Radio Mirror mentions a marriage to a member of her backing group, though no name is given. (see also this which is the full piece). Most published sources date her marriage to Huddleston to 1941, so I guess we'll have to stick with that till a definitive secondary source comes along. Paul MacDermott (talk) 16:06, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

@Paul MacDermott: Yeah, being available only by request to an agency is not published in a way that allows easy verification, but why don't you publish it? That is, upload it to the Commons. I've done this in a few contexts. For example, see Kelly pool#Origins where I uploaded a U.S. Census record to the Commons for use in the article. I believe this would take {{PD-ineligible}}. If I'm wrong about that it's PD, or course, back to square one. I disagree that there is any issue whatsoever with it being a primary source. There is no per se stigma attached to primary sources; they are not to be avoided or inferior to secondary source in all contexts. We want secondary source for notability purposes to show the world has taken note of the topic, which is irrelevant here, and view them with suspicion where they are self-published by the subject or are being used for novel interpretations or analyses, which is likewise inapplicable here. An official government issued document showing birth, death, marriage, etc. is often the best source for certain facts contained within it, such as the date of a marriage, date of death, etc. It is essentially impossible for this not to be these two individuals but another two with the same name, given the full matching name, correct ages, places of birth, location of issuance, names of fathers and listed occupations. It's inarguably them and I would use it as the definitive source for the date of their marriage, possible adding a footnote as the the contradiction in some secondary sources.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:19, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

@Fuhghettaboutit: Thanks, there are a couple of sources available that refer to a marriage—one of them contemporary from 1938, and another from 1951 that discussed her marriage in the context of her pre-Dorsey career—but they're not specific. Someone else has kindly uploaded the marriage licence to Commons (see here and here). If all is well with them I'll add the relevant stuff. Paul MacDermott (talk) 16:40, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

ok, I've cited it. Please could someone check I've done it proberly. Cheers. Paul MacDermott (talk) 17:53, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Looks good except I didn't realize you already had proof they were married at least as of 1937, or at least that's what your recent edit implies. Specifically, you cite the Radio Mirror to April 1937 as providing they were married. If a source is from 1937 and states they were or are married, even if it provided no date at all for the marriage, that is determinative proof they were married at least by the date of that source. If the 1937 source actually provides that they were married, I would change the first part of the footnote to say something like "Although sources such as The Independent and The Boston Globe date the marriage as occurring in 1941,[13][14], a Radio Mirror article published in 1937 mentions their marriage, meaning they had to be married by that year."--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 20:47, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

ok, thanks for taking a look. I changed it over, but erred slightly as the source should be April 1938. The Mirror doesn't specifically mention Huddleston by name, which was why I was unsure if I could use it. Since yesterday I've re-read the Collier's article, which does mention him, and implies that they married around that time. Paul MacDermott (talk) 21:24, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Email

How do you email a page r a link to a page on Wikipedia (I am currently using an Apple Ipad) ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.184.99.150 (talk) 12:25, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Copy the URL of the article you are reading; then send that URL in an e-mail to the recipient. --Orange Mike | Talk 12:46, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

There's a "share" button at the top of the browser on the iPad to share a web page. Tap that and then choose Mail as the method of sharing. Dismas|^(talk) 13:46, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

eric robert goulden

someone has attempted to write an article about me on wikipedia. I do not wish to appear on wikipedia. Please delete — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.32.180.213 (talk) 14:38, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

The subject of an article does not have a right of veto on the presence of a Wikipedia article, but as you appear to have been the only significant contributor to Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Eric Robert Goulden, you can tag it for speedy deletion by adding {{db-author}} at the top of it. That will not stop someone else writing an article about you in future if you can be shown to meet Wikipedia's criteria of notability. - David Biddulph (talk) 14:55, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Looking at your edit history, the "someone" who created the article about you, is you - always assuming you are who you claim to be. Arjayay (talk) 18:53, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Adding a redirect.

I wanted to look up something being referred to online as an "Ooth" and I couldn't find it on Wikipedia, so I searched more and found out it was an "Ootheca" but it is often referred to as an Ooth. How do I create a redirect, so that entering 'Ooth' takes the user to the "Ootheca" page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.112.24.17 (talk) 15:47, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Redirect tells you how. - David Biddulph (talk) 16:03, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

You must have an account to create redirects. Unregistered users can make a request at Wikipedia:Article wizard/Redirect. But OOTH is already a redirect so a hatnote may be a better solution. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:50, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

WikiGroup

some user told me about making a Wikigroup and also told me to ask here. How can I make one of those. Any references? Thanks. Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 16:56, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

I'm assuming you mean a WikiProject, which is a collaboration of editors interested in a particular subject. There are two ways you can do that; either by submitting an idea to Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals for consideration, or by just starting one yourself. Paul MacDermott (talk) 17:09, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Oh, thanks. :) Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 17:13, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Why has this appeared in my infobox?

On my userpage "— Wikipedian ♂ —" has appeared at the top of my infobox on my userpage. Does anyone know why? Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 18:02, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi, Jenova. Mine has one too User:Miss Bono/Profile. I think there must be some add they did to the original template. :o Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 18:05, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Strange...why does mine have a male icon next to it though? Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 18:08, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

You use {{User infobox}}. It was added yesterday in [3]. You can avoid it by either saying |gender=o or select "Undisclosed" as Gender at Special:Preferences. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:12, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

No problem, friend. Maybe because you are male, possibly it has to do with the preferences box that says if you are femmale or male. I have mine in femmale but I don't know why I don't have a femmale icon at the top of my user infobox. I'll make a research. :) Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 18:15, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

:O too late :) Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 18:16, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Am I misunderstanding something, or has someone decided that the default for the 'User infobox' is 'gender male' rather than 'gender undisclosed'? If so, it clearly needs correcting. AndyTheGrump (talk) 18:18, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

That certainly wasn't the intention. BTW, I'm looking into using as a third option Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:50, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Maybe someone can fix it. I don't want to be a male. Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 18:26, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Mine seems to be undisclosed. Paul MacDermott (talk) 18:21, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Okay... So, this is what went down and how it works... Andy moved the |gender= from inside the box to a subheader per a talk page discussion (if you wanna call it that). Edokter then made a couple minor fixes. I then came along and figured, why not auto-populate this for those that have the preference set in their preferences. It is not set to a default of male, it is set to {{lc:{{{gender|{{Gender:{{#titleparts:{{BASEPAGENAME}}|1}}|m|f|o}}}}}}} which is whatever you set |gender= to OR whatever you have defined as your gender in your Preferences. Happy editing! Technical 13 (talk) 18:36, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

The "Wikipedian" text can be overwritten by setting |role= to some other value (linked or not; your choice); this is described in the template's documentation. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:50, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

That's interesting. My userpage doesn't specify my gender, and my preferences do say that I am male. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:03, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

You don't use {{Infobox user}}. It is this template which has added code to automatically display the gender preference if it has been set. It's still possible for others to see your preference if they know how. For example, {{Gender:Robert McClenon|male|female|undisclosed}} produces: male. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:16, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

I don't care if users can figure out my gender. It isn't as if an Anglophone can't figure it out from my user name. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:20, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Granted, Robert has always been a male name from my experience. But then there are girls named Joseph. So who knows these days? Dismas|^(talk) 23:24, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

posting on facebook

how do i post a wikipedia page to my facebook wall? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bluebirdnjb (talk • contribs) 18:33, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Copy the URL of the article you are reading, then paste it to your wall. --Orange Mike | Talk 20:48, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

In the same place you'd type a status update. If there's an "http://", Facebook knows what to do. You might not even need that part, anymore. But if it doesn't work right, try adding it to the beginning. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:51, August 16, 2013 (UTC)

You could also install Wikipedia:Sharebox which makes it a bit easier. But that's up to you. The above method works fine. You don't need a share button to be able to post things to Facebook. Dismas|^(talk) 21:51, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Other users' sandboxes

Is the content of another user's sandbox free to use? I want to create an article and have discovered another user has an excellent article on the subject in her sandbox which has not been edited since July 2012. She has not made any other contributions recently either. Would it be OK to use it as the basis of an article, with a note on the talk page to that effect? Robina Fox (talk) 20:28, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

My inclination is to just move it into article space. The edit history is preserved, so she gets her props for her work up to July. I would then drop a gracious note on her talk page, and send her a grateful e-mail if that functionality is enabled for her account. --Orange Mike | Talk 20:45, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

If the article is pretty much ready for prime time, I would do as Mike suggests as well. If it's not quite ready yet, I'd just make a list of things that you need to do to get it up to par quickly. Then move it. And then make those changes all in one sitting. Just so I wasn't playing in someone else's sandbox. Dismas|^(talk) 21:55, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Good solutions. Thank you! Robina Fox (talk) 02:48, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Afd August 13

Not sure how to fix it, but appears some how someone messed up the references section of the August 13th AfD page. Thanks, Caffeyw (talk) 22:30, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Partially fixed with [4]. A user is making inline references in AfD discussions. We don't normally do that and it causes problems at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2013 August 13 where many AfD's are shown together. I will contact the user. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:01, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

August 17

Baba Rampuri article

The Baba Rampuri article is being used as part of a fraud and blackmail scheme. There are factually incorrect statements, references to fraud websites, and defaming material. This goes against the conditions of use of Wkipedia, and certainly against the spirit and intentions of wikipedia. It also cause harm to me personally to be so misrepresented. I'd be happy to discuss this with someone who may correct this injustice.

Best regards,

Baba Rampuri — Preceding unsigned comment added by BabaRampuri (talk • contribs) 05:30, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Multiple Pages on Subject at obscure level

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_New_Mexico,_1964 is just an example of not one, but many pages that seem to have been created recently by a user. It seems inappropriate for an article for Presidential Election in XXXX state for XXXX year election. All this information can be found on the Presidential Election for XXXX year page. It seems like creating articles just to create them, there's nothing being added that wouldn't be found on the main election page. I ask here because with so many of them created within such a short period of time and being a fairly new user I'm just not sure where to post this to. If there's some new consensus that this is how US Presidential Elections should be handled please let me know. Caffeyw (talk) 05:42, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

If you feel they don't meet the criteria for notability, feel free to list them for deletion. You can give full reasoning for each article, and if nobody objects, they'll be deleted.  drewmunn  talk  17:26, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

svg file

I found an updated Logo on the German page of a club. Now I'm edditing the english page of this club and I'm not sure if I can use the same .svg file and how to upload it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ayham333 (talk • contribs) 06:41, 17 August 2013‎ (UTC)

You should at least specify the page that you are editing. Ruslik_Zero 17:32, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

To browse main page of particular date in past.

I want to see the Main page of WIKIPEDIA dated 5th July 2013.How can I do this? In general how can I open Main page of Wikipedia of any date in past since this feature started? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.79.40.26 (talk) 09:23, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Main Page history/2013 July 5 has 5 July's; you can find any main page by going to Wikipedia:Main Page history/DATE in YYYY Month DD form. ~HueSatLum 17:19, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Just like any other page, the Main Page has a Revision history tab at the top. You can select the version from any date from there. Rojomoke (talk) 17:17, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

The Main Page revision history isn't much help, Rojomoke. - David Biddulph (talk) 17:24, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Clicking on the Revision History tab takes me to here, which gives access to the entire history.. Your link seems to be the result of two separate temporary redirects. Rojomoke (talk) 18:55, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

The Main Page isn't updated every day; it transcludes individual templates for FA, DYK, ITN, etc., so using the revision history doesn't give the desired result. ~HueSatLum 19:37, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

WikiArcheology

OK, this one is going to take a real WikiArcheologist...

Recently, at Wikipedia talk:Flow, the following argument was made:

"Of course when you poll a group of Wikipedians right now about how they want to deal with [X], they will say they want [Y]. That's how they currently deal with those things – just like if you'd asked Wikipedians in 2001 how they want to create internal links in Wikipedia, they would have said 'CamelCase!'"

My question is this; was there any real opposition to Wikipedia replacing CamelCase with square brackets? Is that discussion in our history, or was this before we have reliable records? --Guy Macon (talk) 09:33, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

As far as I can find, the earliest archived discussion on linking is at the MOS, and it is from 2005 (by which time brackets were already in use). This is not to say it doesn't still exist, but I can't find it anywhere that I think it may be. It's always worth asking an older Wikipedian, as they may remember it. If you still have no luck, try the staff themselves.  drewmunn  talk  17:04, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

I spent a couple of hours searching and didn't find anything either. This has my curiosity up; I think it would be fascinating to see how those early decisions were made and how well the predictions that happen during any policy discussion have held up. Has anyone else found anything? --Guy Macon (talk) 20:41, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

The earliest revision of Help:link says it was copied from M (meta), and the earliest version of M:Help:Link is from 2004, at which time internal links were already made by brackets. I think maybe User:Patrick, who created that page and is one of the earliest users, might very well be able to shed light (with Echo in place, he should now be informed of this discussion if he logs on, but note that he hasn't made any edits since last month).--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:11, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Can't convert to global user account

So I'm trying to convert my account to a global user account. In my preferences, I click on "Manage your global user account", I put in my password, and it brings up the error:

The home wiki for this account (listed below) has a different password to the one you entered. Please enter the password for the home wiki.

Under that it says:

Home wiki

The password and email address set at this wiki will be used for your unified account.

ja.wikipedia.org (home wiki)

I've never been on Japanese Wikipedia. Looking at the account with the same name as me there, it was created after me the last edit was a few years ago (my account has more recent activity). What should I do? DK (talk) 14:36, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

The other account may be able to be deleted, but it may be quicker for you to change your username instead.  drewmunn  talk  16:57, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

The right to a global account isn't based on age but number of edits. The Japanese account currently has around 20 more edits than you. If you make around 20 further edits then you should get the right. All edits at en.wikipedia.org count. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:56, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Note to self: make more typos. Every edit counts, including fixing your own errors... (smile) --Guy Macon (talk) 20:46, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

water

Assuming that 16" pipe weighs 90 pound per foot empty. Estimate the weight of a 20 foot length of pipe filled with water ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.235.237.129 (talk) 16:51, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

You want the reference desk, this page is for questions about using Wikipedia.  drewmunn  talk  16:55, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to the Wikipedia Help Desk. Your question appears to be a homework question. I apologize if this is a misinterpretation, but it is our aim here not to do people's homework for them, but to merely aid them in doing it themselves. Letting someone else do your homework does not help you learn nearly as much as doing it yourself. Please attempt to solve the problem or answer the question yourself first. If you need help with a specific part of your homework, feel free to tell us where you are stuck and ask for help. If you need help grasping the concept of a problem, by all means let us know. - David Biddulph (talk) 16:57, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Biograph page

Hello,

I am and author and creating a biography in the Sandbox. I have not even started on my literary works yet, so am not ready to put the file into Wikipedia.

I have many professional papers etc., and when I added a URL link [and I did follow the proper format] I couldn't get the links to work. Is it because they are in the Sandbox? I would get an error re-credential (N^$% logon box. Can URLs be added in the Sandbox article.

1. 2. Can images be uploaded to the Sandbox article? I must be missing something. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Laura Joyce Moriarty (talk • contribs) 17:46, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

I suggest that before you proceed any further, you read the Wikipedia notability guidelines - in particular WP:AUTHOR. I see nothing in your article so far to indicate that you would meet the guidelines, and unless you do, a biography on you would not be accepted. Note that we need evidence from third party published reliable sources to indicate the level of notability required. Were you to meet the guidelines, the article would in any case need substantial rewriting - it reads more like a resume than an encyclopaedia biography. I would also recommend reading Wikipedia:Autobiography - we strongly discourage autobiographical articles, and generally advise that if people are of sufficient notability to merit a Wikipedia article, it is best left to others to write. AndyTheGrump (talk) 17:55, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

What happened to HotCats?

It appears to be turned off on all the language versions that I use, even though I have it check-marked under the Gadgets. I've attempted to turn it off and back on, but it still doesn't work! Can someone fix the HotCats issue? --Sanya3 (talk) 19:58, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

eric owens

by his own words - just last wednesday - i heard eric (as did 35 others) credit the great steven smith with being his most important teacher...yet you mention him nowhere in your list of the great bass-baritone's teachers. what's up with this??????? can you rectify this lacuna?????? thanks, chris walling. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.166.154.35 (talk) 21:14, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

"I heard..." is not a verifiable source, so no, we can't do that unless you find a published reliable source that contains the same claim/information. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 21:23, 17 August 2013 (UTC)