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June 16

Arthur Burns, politics, Jimmy Carter

According to the article on wikipedia, while Burns was at the Federal Reserve, he may well have manipulated the United States economy into short-term gains to help Richard Nixon, a Republican, get reelected. Is there any evidence, or even speculation, anywhere that Burns might have done the opposite while Carter, a Democrat, was president, to keep Carter from being reelected?144.35.45.98 (talk) 01:25, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

It would have been difficult, given that Burns left the Fed a little more than a year into Carter's term. --jpgordon^{𝄢𝄆 𝄐𝄇} 22:03, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

Mr Carter took office in January 1977, when the Fed Fund (policy) interest rate was 4.6%. It rose steadily throughout the next three years, to 13-14% in January 1980. If one were to assume that higher interest rates – as opposed to higher inflation – would help defeat Mr Carter in the 1980 election, one might expect rates to increase more rapidly than the steady pace of 1977-80. What actually happened is that rates were cut from a peak of 17.6% in April 1980 to a low of 9% in July, then began to rise again, reaching almost 16% in November (the election).

A second possible indicator would be if rates were suddenly cut after the election. What happened was that rates rose to a new peak of 19% in January 1981, fell to 14.7% by March, rose to 18-19% in May-August and then began a long fall. That suggests that no one manipulated interest rates to support Mr Reagan’s candidacy. See: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FEDFUNDSDOR (HK) (talk) 17:10, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

thanks good answer!75.162.189.121 (talk) 03:31, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

coursera thing

Heard that coursera is removing their online courses, I read it here, only if they could add their courses in wikiversity. That'd be great. Is that possible to work on? Just asking. :) :)

Cheers from Nepal. :) :) Learnerktm 11:15, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

Hi Learnerktm, that's something you would need to discuss with Wikiversity, which is a separate project from us here at the English Wikipedia (although hosted by the same Wikimedia foundation). Try asking at https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiversity:Colloquium. Rojomoke (talk) 13:25, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

Read the Wikipedia article about Coursera which is a for-profit company in California that offers online courses. The Wikimedia Foundation is a non-profit organization. Coursera's website https://www.coursera.org/ provides a contact page. That would be a place for your proposal which you might address to Coursera's CEO Rick Levin. AllBestFaith (talk) 14:09, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

AllBestFaith courses run free, we need to pay for certificates... wow! talking with CEO. Who'd listen if s/he is CEO? That's why asking here to fellow wikipedians. Actually, wanted to know if that works ... running courses like moocs in wikiversity... :) Thanks anyway. :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Learnerktm (talk • contribs) 14:59, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

Right, I think what ABF was trying to say is that it would require permission from *both* Coursera and Wikiversity. I imagine that both places might be very interested in reaching Nepal, but I don't know if Coursera would allow their copyrighted materials to be moved over to creative commons license of wikiversity. As it stands now, you can reach Coursera content, right? So I don't know why they'd want to "give up" their material, so that it can then be changed. This is why ABF brings up "for profit" - coursera's goal is to make money by helping people, wikimedia foundation's goal is just to help people, and asking for money to keep that happening. There's an important difference, which is why you don't see a lot of previously copyrighted material released into the public domain. (Mozilla being an interesting and notable exception). SemanticMantis (talk) 16:16, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

What does it mean Rabbaniyeen (muslim term?)

What does it mean Rabbaniyeen in this video on YouTube? 93.126.88.30 (talk) 15:22, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

Sp. Rabbaniyyah = 'Godliness'; on of those immaginary concepts religious types create, to distract attention from what's really going on. (Note: WP:NRS ) _Muffled ^Pocketed 15:41, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

Yes, RABBANI means divine in Arabian. Rabbani is also a significant given name to muslims, examples[1]: Mohammed Ahmad Ghulam Rabbani Burhanuddin Rabbani (1940–2011) was former President of Pakistan; Burhanuddin Rabbani (1940 – 2011) was President of the Islamic State of Afghanistan from 1992; Khondkar Siddique-e-Rabbani b. 1950 is a Bangladeshi Biomedical physicist and notable for developing the Focused Impedance Measurement method; Abdul Al-Rahim Ghulam Rabbani is a citizen of Pakistan currently held in the United States Guantanamo; Mullah Mohammad Rabbani Akhund (1955 – 15 April 2001) was one of the founders of the Taliban movement; Ali Sina Rabbani is an Iranian footballer. AllBestFaith (talk) 17:37, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

Highest price paid for:

1) Food or Meal or Dining plate meal or whatever that falls into this category

2) Accommodation or Rent or Shelter or whatever that falls into this category

3) Clothes or Accessories or whatever that falls into this category

4) Earnings or Possession of wealth or whatever that falls into this category

Apostle (talk) 19:31, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

I fear that your categories are far to vague. Does the ISS count as Shelter? Are the crown jewels Accessories? Does Sir Philip Green's £100 million yacht count as Accommodation? Does it have to be a meal for one person, or does the massive stock of food sent to alleviate a famine count? Wymspen (talk) 19:41, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

Maybe if OP would tell us why he needs these questions answered, it would give us a hint as to the type of information he was looking for. Dismas|^(talk) 20:23, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

I'm assuming OP is just curious, and would like to know any answers that could reasonably be defended. SO ISS and Crown Jewels are interesting candidates for most expensive shelter/accessories, but that doesn't mean other responses won't also be interesting :) SemanticMantis (talk) 20:37, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

Bill Gates has the highest net worth in the world, see list here [2]. SemanticMantis (talk) 20:37, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

Saffron isn't usually eaten as a meal, but by weight it is more valuable than gold [3]. SemanticMantis (talk) 20:37, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

This guy [4] has a shirt made of solid gold, cost US$235,000. SemanticMantis (talk) 20:53, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

I'm not sure I believe them but The Guardian says you can rent Liechtenstein for $70,000 per night [5]. SemanticMantis (talk) 21:41, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

That sounds very low. [6] includes a hotel room allegedly 60,000 Swiss Francs a night and [7] includes one US$86,094 including taxes (which they say is nearly 100k). Another list [8] although probably there's a lot of overlap. That earlier list mentions The 13 and [9] provides details on an alleged price of £70,000 although it sounds like this is fairly speculative. Anyway [10] is another. Some of these may have other suites of similar price and Liechtenstein isn't that small so it's probably not that hard to spend $70k on accomodation in these hotels even if their most expensive suite is less than that. Chartering a yatch is another option and may be up to $1 million a week [11]. Nil Einne (talk) 15:47, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

Cleopatra allegedly had the most expensive meal of all time (to win a bet with Mark Antony): an extremely valuable pearl, which she dissolved in vinegar and drank. Clarityfiend (talk) 22:30, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

There's a fine article on Wikipedia about a painting that depicts this, written by some very clever fellow. I helped out, too.--Shirt58 (talk) 01:13, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

There were some $600,000 tyres sold recently. For that price I would want 4! http://mashable.com/2016/06/16/worlds-most-expensive-tyres/#PrOUfAGwrqqW --TrogWoolley (talk) 09:29, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

I am pretty sure the highest price paid for possession of wealth is human life, but that is probably not the answer you were looking for. (((The Quixotic Potato))) (talk) 10:22, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

Good to know. -- Apostle (talk) 19:12, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

Take a look at VeryFirstTo, which has a number of these kind of claims on their site. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 11:04, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

Thank you all so far. Regards. -- Apostle (talk) 05:04, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

June 17

Creating a new article HELP

Hi, My article for Notheia anomala got refused by the editor and I was given some feedback on what to edit. I have done the edits - but there was no re-submit button??? Now I'm not sure how to get my article to be re-reviewed.

Icey28 (talk) 00:07, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

Icey28, you removed the "Resubmit" button with your last edit. Dismas|^(talk) 00:26, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

Icey28, you're welcome. Dismas|^(talk) 21:11, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

Gay Gadsden Flag

I am curious if there is a flat image of the rainbow #ShootBack Gadsden flag. I have seen photos, but am looking for a flat image suitable for computer wallpaper. Thanks. μηδείς (talk) 06:53, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

Best I could find is [12]. Since File:Gadsden_flag.svg is an SVG and I'm sure we have SVG rainbow flags (and actually you don't really need one), it's fairly trivial to make one. Nil Einne (talk) 09:09, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

save space, avoid really irrelevant "stuff"
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
Well here I made one [13]. Note I intentionally didn't upload it to wikipedia or commons since there's a possibility the work of combining the rainbow flag with the Gadsen flag and adding the #ShootBack hashtag is sufficiently creative etc to be eligible for copyright protection, and I have no idea who the creator is and what rights they've released it under if so. If anyone disagrees or knows more than me, I used [14], File:Gadsden_flag.svg and File:Gay_flag.svg to make it and in terms of any rights of mine, they are released under CC0. Nil Einne (talk) 10:11, 17 June 2016 (UTC) Hm, you could've simply used one of the existing ones (and maybe add the hashtag to it). For example this one from GayPatriot. I would not recommend it... I am not sure if it means what you think it means, and I am not sure if you agree with the viewpoints of some of the people who use those flags. [15] For more, see here and/or here. (((The Quixotic Potato))) (talk) 13:28, 17 June 2016 (UTC) That one from GayPatriot looks to be basically a cut down version of what I linked above at hausrules.us. (Although I'm a bit confused about the white part on top, maybe neither of them are the original version.) It's fairly flat but has odd colours, probably partly because it's a photo of a printed flag rather than a simple construction. Maybe also due to excessive compression/lots of compression cycles. (It being a photo seems more obvious with the version I linked to as you can see it's not entirely straight as clear from the white line.) Maybe this was enough for Medeis but I'm fussy about such things so while I'd never want to use such an image in my life, if I did want to use one I'd want something decent rather than a poor photo. Nil Einne (talk) 15:21, 17 June 2016 (UTC) "I may disagree with what you say, but I support your right to say it, and if you have to say it, dammit, do it right, with vector graphics!" Lol, say what you will about medeis, I think she's well aware that some people will interpret this image as advocating gun-based retaliation against those who would attack gay people for being gay. This [16] is another image involving guns and gay symbols, one that some may find more appealing. Anyway, all the more nice of you to make up a nice SVG image for public use, even if you don't personally like it :) SemanticMantis (talk) 15:29, 17 June 2016 (UTC) Some people may interpret it as saying that you are a teabagger who is (pro-)gay, others may interpret it as advocating gun-based retaliation against those who would attack gay people for being gay. I am generally pro-free speech (there are exceptions of course), but I also believe actions have consequences (e.g. if you say or do certain things others might think you are stupid). Here is a quote attributed to Pope John Paul II: "Violence and arms can never resolve the problems of men." (and yes, I am an atheist). Some people have claimed that the terrorist in that nightclub was gay. And this is also interesting. This PDF costs 12 dollars. (((The Quixotic Potato))) (talk) 15:59, 17 June 2016 (UTC) I really don't know where you get "retaliation". It seems obvious to me, especially in context (the flag appearing a few days after the 2016 Orlando nightclub shootings), that it's about self-defense (or proper defense of another). I suppose the symbols and words could be stretched to be about retaliation, but in context it doesn't seem like the most obvious meaning. --Trovatore (talk) 20:20, 17 June 2016 (UTC) Yeah, sure, I agree there are a a few different possible inferences people may draw; I was merely commenting that I think medeis can handle her own semiotics. BTW, that last paper looks interesting, here [17] is a freely accessible copy. SemanticMantis (talk) 17:12, 17 June 2016 (UTC) Awesome, thank you! (((The Quixotic Potato))) (talk) 17:19, 17 June 2016 (UTC) @SemanticMantis: Maybe it can be used to improve the homophobia article. Can you please post it on that talkpage? (((The Quixotic Potato))) (talk) 17:32, 17 June 2016 (UTC) Done, but I'm not sure how useful it will be. It's a WP:PRIMARY source right? I personally have no problem with using some primary sources to support claims in articles, but a) I don't think that's normal WP policy and b) I have absolutely no expertise in the area of homophobia research, so while I'm happy to pass on the ref, I can't help improve that article. Maybe a secondary source could be found that reports on that research paper, that would be better. SemanticMantis (talk) 19:31, 17 June 2016 (UTC) One does not need to have any expertise in a subject to be able to improve the WP article on that subject. All one needs is interest and desire and time and the ability to track down decent sources. Sources provide the expertise. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 21:27, 17 June 2016 (UTC) Duly noted, however I personally only make substantive edits to articles whose topics I am already well familiar with. I mean I'm sadly familiar with homophobia, but not the scientific research on the topic. SemanticMantis (talk) 21:35, 17 June 2016 (UTC) @SemanticMantis: Thanks again! I agree. I think it can be useful as a starting point, but I know very little about this subject so I prefer to leave it to the experts. (((The Quixotic Potato))) (talk) 20:00, 17 June 2016 (UTC) Thanks, bu Nil answerered this in the first post. μηδείς (talk) 20:26, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

Resolved

Manchester Schoolboys U15 1960

I am iooking for any information regards to the games played between Sept/Dec 1960 by manchester boys U15 rugby team, one was against huddersfild and the other against nuneaton. any help would be gratefully recieved. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brentwood20 (talk • contribs) 12:24, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

Elephant statue?

Is this a man-made elephant statue or just a natural stone pattern?--93.174.25.12 (talk) 15:44, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

In the context of the article - about discovering hidden cities in the Cambodian forests - it is clearly being identified as a statue. As the photographer must have got a lot closer to it than we are able to do through a photo, I see no reason to doubt that identification. 86.191.126.192 (talk) 15:54, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

Here are elephants carved at Angkor Thom about 12th-13th century. It takes strong faith to suppose the pictured clump was ever a realistic elephant statue. AllBestFaith (talk) 16:08, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

pronunciation guide.

Why are the pronunciation guides you use so utterly unhelpful?? Can't you just use a more common-sensical suggestion than the unpronounceable, undecipherable symbols currently in use??? 64.20.206.10 (talk) 19:02, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

See Help talk:IPA for the official answer to this question. Tevildo (talk) 19:18, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

Tevildo's link explains the policy on WP, but I am sympathetic to your frustration. I was annoyed by this at first too. But don't get mad at WP for following the international standard. If you want to get mad at anybody, get mad at the people who published your textbooks and dictionaries, for teaching you a non-standard, insular system for pronunciation guides. I admit IPA takes some time to learn, but so do all systems. I've found this [18] web page useful for helping me learn IPA. With a little practice, you'll see it's just as easy to understand. SemanticMantis (talk) 19:43, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

Tangent: I was disappointed when the OED's second edition switched to IPA. The first edition used a scheme that appears to describe many dialects at once; the second edition's IPA tells us only the Oxford pronunciation. —Tamfang (talk) 09:06, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

I always have to look at the IPA guide to understand a lot of the symbols as well but I can understand why they're used when I consider the many ways even basic English words are pronounced. There are so many regional differences in accent that it's difficult to use any other system with much accuracy. Dismas|^(talk) 19:53, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

If you use Linux, BSD or a AppleMac you can install lexconvert.py, eSpeak and Python, then use lexconvert --try unicode-ipa '/ˌwɪkᵻˈpiːdiə/ ' to use speech synthesis to render an approximate pronunciation. It should work on Windows as well, but I haven't tried it. LongHairedFop (talk) 20:23, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

@LongHairedFop: That is really cool, thanks! SemanticMantis (talk) 21:37, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

Forgive a slow-witted old fogey: install it from where? —Tamfang (talk) 09:08, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

Do a Web search for "lexconvert.py". --71.110.8.102 (talk) 06:13, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

Wah, that's too hard. Can't I send you my computer and have you install it for me? —Tamfang (talk) 01:31, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

I've witnessed plenty of pointless arguments of the form "it sounds like [word]" "no, it sounds like [other word]" between speakers of dialects that pronounce the reference words differently, each of them writing with common sense and in good faith; these arguments could have been prevented by using IPA. —Tamfang (talk) 09:06, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

IPA used to annoy me until I realised that it is extremely clever. Usually (but not always) one spelling specifies the various ways a word would be pronounced by people in different parts of the English-speaking world. Thincat (talk) 09:24, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

If you see a word written in a foreign alphabet you're not familiar with, and you are told this word is pronounced like the English word "bow" (or, say, "row"), can you guess how it's really pronounced? I can't, and that's why WP uses another alphabet, other than the ambiguous English one. HOTmag (talk) 07:49, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

Help with targeting aboveboard charity (specific to elephants)

I have decided I want to donate to a charity that specifically helps with saving the lives of elephants. The problem is that I really don't know how to vet charities – and I am very wary of throwing away my money on crooks. I have just seen too many stories over the years of unscrupulous operators setting up charities that are either entirely money-making fronts, or, in between, those that actually do some good work, but when looked at, only some small percentage of the money is used for charitable purposes.

Can anyone advise some aboveboard charities in this area, and possibly what resources you looked at to to determine they were above-board, so I might know how to do that for myself? Thank you--108.54.152.77 (talk) 22:10, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

If in the US, try the Charity Navigator: [19]. StuRat (talk) 00:32, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

I want to endorse and reinforce StuRat's recommendation here. Charity Navigator is the "gold standard" in the United States, and I invite other editors to mention similar sites in other countries. On the specific issue, I believe that the World Wildlife Fund is a good performer. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:41, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

In the UK the Charity Commission for England and Wales is the regulatory body for all charities - and lets you check that a charity is genuine and complaint with the rules. For what it is worth, my advice would be to support a good general conservation charity, rather than one that focuses on a single animal. Unless a whole ecosystem is protected, individual species will struggle. Wymspen (talk) 17:50, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

June 18

Defining Continental Asia

The Continental Europe article says that this term is usually defined as excluding the islands of Iceland and the British Isles. This makes clear sense because these are islands not connected to the mainland. However, it is sometimes defined as excluding the Scandinavian peninsula.

But, how about in defining Continental Asia?? This term doesn't have a special Wikipedia article; it just re-directs to Asia. Thus, Wikipedia says nothing about what this term excludes. It's clear that it excludes the Philippines, Indonesia, Japan, and Sri Lanka, as well as European Turkey. But is there anything else the term is sometimes defined as excluding for reasons paralleling Scandinavia not being considered part of continental Europe?? Georgia guy (talk) 14:54, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

Do you have any reason the term is used at all? The full list of Asian island nations includes Maldives, Cyprus, Singapore, East Timor, Brunei, and possibly Bahrain, although that is joined to the mainland by an artificial causeway, as well as those you list. Rojomoke (talk) 20:52, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

On the Bahrain thing: If they built a bridge connecting Tasmania to mainland Australia, or Sri Lanka to India, would that mean that Tassy and SL are no longer islands? I very much doubt it. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 21:55, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

I would say Rojomoke is right. While continental Asia is a concept which I guess could exist, it doesn't seem particularly common. And the somewhat funny thing about this in reference to what Jack said is a search finds mosts references to continental Asia seem to be to Pulau Palawan and the somewhat weird claim to be the southernmost point of continental Asia despite being on an island off another island.

It's perhaps worth considering why the concept of continental Europe is so common, it's surely at least partly because we're speaking English and the inventors of that language came from an island which isn't part of continental Europe. So continental Europe referred to those other guys. While there are some fairly universal differences between continental Europe and the British Isles as mentioned in our article (most only about 1 century old), some of the distinctions/asumptions made of what things are like in the continental Europe are I would suggest not as clearcut as continental Europe may imply since even ignoring Scandinavia. Continental Europe is a big area, much more than France and Germany. The Scandinavia issue likewise seems to be at least partly due to historical local separation.

For Asia, I don't think you have anything that similar, there's far less of a view of the rest of Asia as "one place". Afterall Asia itself as a concept originated probably mostly because of the European view of it as "that other place". And even in modern times, although there's some degree of a shared Asian identity e.g. with things like the Asian Games and other such groupings (often sporting ones) or stuff like Asian values, there's still much less of a continent wide view. (Consider also the related question of who's "Asian" which as hopefully people know can vary quite a bit from country to country. Notable even in a place like Singapore or Malaysia where the definition would often include those from SEA, East Asia and South Asia, the definition still may not always include those from West Asia or Central Asia.)

On the flip side, Maritime Southeast Asia and Mainland Southeast Asia is a thing. And you also have stuff like mainland China.

Nil Einne (talk) 03:55, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

The thing that's important to note is these are really political definitions. There's no universal agreement on what falls under "Continental Asia" and the like because these definitions aren't based on objective facts that anyone can examine for themselves. They're based on squishy human ideas. So one person can think Country X belongs to Continental Asia, another can not, and neither can really be said to be wrong. Here's a video discussing this. --71.110.8.102 (talk) 06:10, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

@JackofOz:, see Rama's Bridge. I read a while back it is or was still passable on occasion, depending on the currents and tides. μηδείς (talk) 03:26, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. A fascinating article. I had heard that there was a land bridge there in historical times, but didn't know what it was called. --- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 19:20, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

Profound question

Is the university basically one big calculator. So say for instance, an apple drops off a tree. What happens to the apple is governed by maths, speed it falls, density as are the effects of gravity on it. Essentially number crunching is going on here but obviously on a fu**ing MASSIVE scale (look at the whole universe) surely something *or some one* god you may say has created a massive calculator, that's created us. Just like I struggle with the concept of infiniy I struggle to imagine all this stuff is hapening on the fly — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.233.213.17 (talk) 16:50, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

(I take it you mean the universe, not the university, although a big calculator may help you out there, too.) You might be interested in the watchmaker analogy view of God. StuRat (talk) 17:40, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

The OP is clearly overwhelmed. He should consult his local Lost and Profound. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 19:47, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

The universe is governed by the laws of physics, and math is used to describe those laws (or what we know of them). ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 17:42, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

I beg to differ. Physics describes the known universe, it does not govern it; and as new discoveries are made, physics needs to play catch-up. If a group of scientists observed some event that was unexplainable by the laws of physics, they would need to rethink those laws and come up with an explanation. (Or put it down to some sort of collective hallucination, on the basis that "such a phenomenon does not exist; physics tells us so", but that would be somewhat unwise imo.) -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 21:50, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

The universe obeys the laws of physics. That doesn't mean we know what all those laws are. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 00:11, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

I doubt that the physics practised by Earthlings will ever explain how either (a) the universe has always been there, or (b) it was created out of nothing, by definition by a force that was separate from the universe. There will always be things that can never be within the reach of rational science. The spiritual dimension, for example. Some scientists may deny there is any such thing. That just shows how little they know, and how arrogant they can be in their know-all self-importance. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 23:36, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

The OP asks us to consider the universe as a deterministic system which is a philosophical position, see the article Determinism. The view is tenable in Classical physics if one sets no limit on complex details, it is fundamental to computer science, it dismisses the notion of Free will by asserting Behaviorism, but it meets objections in Quantum physics that holds that fine-grain events such as Radioactive decay and movement of particles have randomness that cannot be predicted. AllBestFaith (talk) 22:18, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

We may not be able to predict radioactive decay, but that doesn't mean that there isn't a deterministic formula thatcan predict (define) that decay. -- SGBailey (talk) 22:59, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

On the macroscopic scale, but not the micro, where the universe does not act like any calculator I know of. That really freaked Einstein out. Clarityfiend (talk) 05:18, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

It's clear that the universe can do computations on a scale much larger than the computers that we've built so far. It's not clear what that means, if anything. It's probably a cognitive error to think that the large amount of computation demands an explanation. Competition for limited resources is an important driver of biological evolution, so it may be that human-level intelligence can only arise in limited-resource environments. It doesn't follow that resource limits are a property of Existence Itself, or, if there are limits, that they'd be small enough to be comprehensible to humans. -- BenRG (talk) 02:15, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

The original poster seems to be asking about the mathematical universe hypothesis. This is an idea that has been seriously propounded, though there's hardly universal acceptance of it. Philosophy of mathematics might also be of interest. --71.110.8.102 (talk) 06:04, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

The answer, unamnbiguously is yes. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 09:41, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

The meeces rule, OK?--178.103.190.96 (talk) 22:44, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

UK motorway slip road: solid white line across road?

What does this mean eg [20]? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.152.200.104 (talk) 21:09, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

Well, the obvious reference would be the Road Markings section of the UK's Highway Code. But the only solid white lines across the road it shows are the one at a stop sign, and one at "signals or police control"; and there don't seem to be any signals or police in the picture. I post this negative answer only to save others from doing it. --69.159.60.83 (talk) 04:46, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

(edcon)It is, by its nature (solid, across carriageway), a stop line. Ive never seen one in that position though. Maybe you stop here if you cant safely merge into the mway traffic? --178.103.190.96 (talk) 04:51, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

See Ramp meter, although the OP's photograph doesn't have any traffic signals. One explanation is that this site is intended for ramp metering and the line has been put on the slip road before the signals have been installed. However, it looks very much like a piece of tape across the road, rather than being painted - it's possible that it may have been the site of temporary signals for road works, or, indeed, that it's just a piece of tape that's fallen off a lorry and ended up in a distracting position. Tevildo (talk) 09:14, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

There is something similar across the northbound slip road on the M6 at junction 2, but in that instance there are part-time traffic lights, and when they show red you are expected to stop and wait at that line. I'm wondering if there will be signals installed at this point in the near future. --TammyMoet (talk) 09:33, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

Could it be one of those thingies that counts cars? --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 09:38, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

Are card games ever fake? (geographically)

Is North ever at a lower latitude than one of the other 3 players? In Manhattan you'd probably face the wall (30° clockwise, no problem). But do they ever not give a fuck and have South face Queens or something? What happens if the walls are 45° off and even the streets say Northeast, Southeast, Northwest or Southwest not N, S, E or W? (Like central Atlanta) Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 22:27, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

Can we get a little context for what this question is about for those of us playing at home? Dismas|^(talk) 22:29, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

Duplicate contract bridge is often played in a hall which is not N/S aligned. And even when it is, the players called "North" are often not geographically "North". -- SGBailey (talk) 22:56, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

"And even when it is, the players called "North" are often not geographically "North"." Why not? That is so wrong. If your corners are right angles and not 45° off you should have no excuse. Is East at least to your right when you enter when it's geographically S/W/N? Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 23:09, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

You know fine well that NESW in bridge is a local convention with no requirement for alignment to any wider geographic coordinate system. --Tagishsimon (talk) 23:30, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

In every game I have ever played of any card game with four players, the player is South, and the rest are where you'd expect, to their right, left, and opposite. Is this a joke? μηδείς (talk) 00:10, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

If there are 4 players, which one is the "player"? -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 23:26, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

I can only think Medeis must mean Declarer, but that really applies only to bridge, not any four-hand game. It's traditional, in newspaper bridge columns, to pretend that Declarer is always South, but in an actual tournament, the NESW positions are known before the hand, and any player might declare. --Trovatore (talk) 00:59, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

You are right. I am just thinking that S is at the bottom of most maps I read, as well as advice books. μηδείς (talk) 03:18, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

Traditional Chinese maps have South at the top of the map. DOR (HK) (talk) 15:29, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

In the Laws of Duplicate Bridge, Law 3 states:

Four players play at each table, and tables are numbered in a sequence established by the Director. He designates one direction as North; other compass directions assume the normal relationship to North.

So North is whichever way the director (referee) says it is. In my experience as a duplicate bridge player, directors typically make North the direction toward the wall where their own station is (typically with the supplies, scoring computer, etc.)—I've seen it stated that this is normal practice, but I can't remember where, to provide a citation. This may vary in large tournaments where there are multiple directors in the same room. I'm sure any other games where compass directions are used would follow similar practice. --69.159.60.83 (talk) 04:42, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

The Bridge columns of newspapers provide a diagram of the hands - North is at the top, East on her left, South opposite and West on her right. So it's orientated the same way as a map. But of course, you can hold a map (or a newspaper come to that) any way you want. 109.146.238.101 (talk) 23:46, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

June 19

The dustbin inside the ladie's restroom...

• Is there a possibility to open the disposable sanitary dustbin near the bowl I'm talking about the garbage cans with removal fuse made of ABC plastic (which is indestructible!), if your mobile phone has fallen inside this dustbin? the cover with the removal lock is not removable all the garbage can is made from one piece. (it seems so to me).
• Why is it made of ABC plastic if the dustbin is only one-way and when it is full, the owner of the toilets have to buy a new one? (cost eerie) --Einwegmuelltonne (talk) 14:33, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

ABS plastic, incidentally. If it is one solid piece (and many such receptacles are), it'll have to be cut open - you'll need to contact the owner of the facilities to arrange this if you have dropped your phone in it. Tevildo (talk) 18:23, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

To give a likely answer to the second question (based on my experience in Facilities Management work) . . . Typically, such receptacles are serviced by a sanitation company (who will likely empty other waste receptacles and replenish any automatic air fresheners) with whom the proprietors have a contract. Often the full bin will be replaced by an empty one, and the full one taken back to the depot where it will be emptied and cleaned for re-use. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 185.74.232.130 (talk) 14:02, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

The ones we have at work appear sealed but are opened with a plastic key by the lady or man who comes around every so often to change the polythene liner inside. It is possible to extract items through the lid with a lot of perseverance, rather like getting coins out of a piggy bank, except that you need disposable gloves and a strong-ish stomach. Alansplodge (talk) 21:23, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

Just be careful. Sometimes people use those for sharps disposal as well. Dealing with a needle stick will suck a lot. Just talk to the facilities people or find a janitor. I doubt you're the first person to drop a phone in there. —/Mendaliv/^2¢/_Δ's/ 01:22, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

Question regarding a quote

Who said the famous quote- Nothing is impossible, the word itself says i'm possible ? This is not a homework question so someone please answer my question.sahil shrestha 15:19, 19 June 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sahil shrestha (talk • contribs)

I have heard this is from napoleon--Einwegmuelltonne (talk) 15:35, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

That would be surprising as the pun only really works in English (though Napoléon apparently did start learning English in exile, see napoleon.org, so I guess nothing's impossible). Most quote books and self-help books ascribe it to Audrey Hepburn, but Wikiquote, for example, has moved it from her entry for the lack of a reliable, precise and verifiable source, see the corresponding talk page at Wikiquote. ---Sluzzelin talk 15:47, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

Teleport your body 60 miles using only the power of your mind. Prove that something is impossible. Learn Portuguese in a brain dead coma. Run so fast that no one can see you. Make a rock so big you can't lift it and then lift it. Read a library in one second. Prove that 90% of all Nigerian prince offers are real. Make Microsoft have never existed and then make it exist just for the heck of it. Knock out the strongest gorilla with bare hands (with one slap). Win every Mega Millions lottery of the 21st century while being born in 2016. Sleep with Cleopatra. Release a kraken. Transmute gold (alchemy only, no particle accelerators). Prove the maximum number of angels that can fit on a pin then turn yourself into angels to demonstrate. Build the first steam engine. Beat Julius Caesar in a gladiator match. All challenges have the plain meaning of the English language of right now. In the event of ambiguity the meaning in the American dialect controls. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 23:40, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

An early version of this appears in Lifetime Speaker's Encyclopedia, by Jacob Braude (1962): "Impossible! Accept that, and you will never attempt to win through. Spell the word "I'm possible," and you will find that what others thought impossible is only more difficult." This is from the brief excerpt available in Google Books, so I can't tell if it is original with Mr. Braude. John M Baker (talk) 00:25, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

It should be noted that many aphorisms like this, as well as other forms of "folk wisdom" don't necessarily have traceable origins to a specific author; at best we can find the earliest recorded use of the phrase, it doesn't mean that the phrase was created by that person. --Jayron32 02:51, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

June 20

How to demand STD testing

How do you ask your partner to get tested for STDs? I mean, how do you bring that up in a non-awkward way? And if they do agree to get tested, do you ask for the result sheet or do you just take their word for it that they're "clean"? Should you also agree to get tested even though you know it's straight up impossible for you to be infected with any diseases ^{due to lack of experience}? 67.68.191.83 (talk) 02:23, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

This is not the correct location to get advice of any sort. You should ask someone else. We can only provide references to reliable sources or to Wikipedia articles here. Immediately below this post, someone will ignore the rules of this desk and post some random, unreferenced, unwise advise. Don't listen to them. Run far away from this place and seek advice from somewhere else. --Jayron32 02:50, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

(ec)I have simply always gone with my partners of both sexes (I'm bi) whenever any such mutual issue might be relevant, and the doctors are very accommodating, especially in Quebec. The doctor will almost always want both partners to have relevant tests. E.g., if she's preggers, they'll wanna know if you have Zika, etc. I think we can tell you both to seek medical advice, but as for relationship advice, "trust me", we can't help you there. μηδείς (talk) 02:55, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

I am asking theoretically, not as a way of eliciting relationship advice from you guys. I am not even in a relationship at the moment. ^{Besides, I've seen relationship advice being dispensed plenty on this board, so why the sudden aversion to offering it in this case?}67.68.191.83 (talk) 07:04, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

Why assume that there are no references to reliable sources? Here's one that took me almost a whole minute to find: [21]. Sjö (talk) 16:47, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

User:Sjö, you've got a very poor understanding of American politics, the nature of politically funded advocacy websites, and what a reliable source is if you think a website is a reliable source if it has an address ending in .gov. I suggest you consider such things as the perennially discredited food pyramids, the "just say no" campaign, the anti-AIDS abstinence campaign,, US government campaigns against eggs, and for high-carbohydrate diets. The site you have linked to is basically the current administration's advice column. I have, per our guidelines, suggested the OP seek medical advice from a licensed physician. You've randomly googled something and offered it on your expertise as a wikipedia editor. μηδείς (talk) 03:16, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

Just a rule of thumb, if one is in a relationship and doesn't feel comfortable talking about the issue of STDs, then perhaps one should also reconsider whether it is appropriate to be sexually active in that relationship. Sure, such conversations can be somewhat awkward, but a strong relationship won't be harmed by a little bit of awkwardness. Sexual activity can have a lot of consequences, especially for people who rush into without thinking about the consequences and without taking appropriate precautions. So talk about these things, and make sure both of you are comfortable with the answers. Dragons flight (talk) 17:20, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

Right. As awkward as it may be to ask now, it'd be a thousand times more awkward to explain having any incurable STI to future perspective partners. A little awkwardness now saves a lot later. —/Mendaliv/^2¢/_Δ's/ 01:18, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

I don't think you can "demand" that anyone do anything, unless you have a court order or something. But if someone's unwilling to take such a test and prove the results, run away. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 03:27, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

Cause of Traffic Acciddents

I have to prepare a 5 page report on it , please give ideas.--Aryan ( है?) 06:36, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

Here is a useful site, and here is another one. I hope they help. I suspect the frequency of any particular cause is likely to vary in any particular country. Richard Avery (talk) 07:00, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

And not only by country but by area within that country. I wouldn't expect many accidents due to ice on the road in Texas but it happens quite a bit in Vermont. So, relating that to what Aryan is asking, you might want to look at the area that you're thinking of and look at things that way. Dismas|^(talk) 12:38, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

Beware of studies done by those with agendas. For example, "alcohol involved accidents" is a term often used, but doesn't mean that alcohol was a cause of the accident. For example, if somebody who had been drinking was stopped at an intersection when rammed by another car (with a sober driver), then that's still listed as "alcohol involved". (I have no doubt that alcohol is a major risk but that doesn't mean we should exaggerate the risk.) Also, studies done by government bodies may underestimate dangers they are responsible for, like poorly designed roads and construction zones, lack of guard rails, incorrect road markings, or police cars sticking out into the street when they pull people over. Poorly placed road signs can also pose a hazard, and speed bumps with no warning could cause accidents more than prevent them.

One surprising cause of accidents, and increase in fatalities, is trees close to the road. StuRat (talk) 15:24, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

Like suicidal trees jumping in front of cars?--TMCk (talk) 15:36, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

Well, in addition to driving into a tree, a tree can fall onto a car or into the roadway, and can block the view of oncoming traffic or pedestrians. So, they must be plotting against us. :-) StuRat (talk) 15:40, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

I see no surprise in that and where do you get an increase of fatalities due to trees from?--TMCk (talk) 15:49, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

Hitting a substantial tree is like hitting a brick wall, so where running off the road would have just resulted in getting stuck in a ditch, if there's a big tree there, instead, it can prove fatal to the car occupants. StuRat (talk) 04:30, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

The major cause of auto accidents is the auto hitting something or something hitting the auto. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 16:55, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

Any source for that bold claim? :)) --TMCk (talk) 16:59, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

By definition. The other case would be if the driver crashes the car on purpose. Then it's not an accident. By definition. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 17:02, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

I was of course joking but here are statistics of "Collisions with fixed objects and animals" over the years confirming "this trend".--TMCk (talk) 17:43, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

I recently did a lot of research on the amount of accidents between cars making left turns at intersections (USA of course) and didn't find any statistics, my interest had to do with red-light cameras and how many citations were for left turners. Raquel Baranow (talk) 17:08, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

For years, my father used to make a left hand turn on red at a rural intersection in the Jersey Pine Barrens. Evidently he'd never noticed the old stop sign had been superceded. One day returning from the shore house by that route, an out-of state guest remarked, "So they allow left turns on red in NJ?" There was shock, then laughter, then it became a running joke. μηδείς (talk) 20:03, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

Just so you know, it's spelled superseded. Probably just a typo in your case, but a lot of people honestly think it's spelled with a c. I used to, until some years ago, when I had it pointed out to me. --Trovatore (talk) 20:44, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

See Wiktionary:supercede, which helpfully explains something about the etymology. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 21:36, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks guys, I kept thinking the spellchecker was broken, and I actually know enough Latin I should have figured it out, but I just gave up and hit enter. μηδείς (talk) 00:44, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

Here's a very good report on pedestrians killed by cars in the USA [22]. SemanticMantis (talk) 17:25, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

Another source: TRAFFIC SAFETY FACTS 2005. Got that one from the Epidemiology of motor vehicle collisions article.--TMCk ([User talk:TracyMcClark|talk]]) 17:54, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks @TracyMcClark, SemanticMantis, Medeis, and Trovatore: and other --Aryan ( है?) 04:25, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

Sorry, है?, my answer was basically a funny irrelevance. But I did have a friend who died driving home on the White Horse Pike when she hit a tree in Hammonton, New Jersey where two others had also died. They finally cut down the tree. μηδείς (talk) 04:45, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

Do Americans call traffic lights "traffic signals" or "stoplights"? (South Africans call them "robots"). There was a film about a man who was prosecuted after he killed someone driving through an intersection. The man protested his innocence and asked a teenage passenger to give his story. During the course of his narrative the boy said "He drove through the stoplight". The man replied "Why are you saying that? You know it's not true." The boy repeated "He drove through the stoplight". An argument then ensued. Someone else then asked the boy "What colour was the light?" and he replied "Green". 86.168.123.89 (talk) 16:01, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

The formal and precise term would be "traffic signal", or "traffic light". The term "stop light" is often used informally. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 16:29, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

The French, rather lyrically, call it a "signal fire" (feu de signalisation). Alansplodge (talk) 09:40, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

A lot of interesting discussion, but a long way from the basics. There are really three causes of road accidents: driver error, mechanical fault, and external intervention. Driver error is a significant factor in the vast majority of them (about 90% - http://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/blog/2013/12/human-error-cause-vehicle-crashes). That may be down to alcohol, excess speed, or poor driving skills. If a car hits a tree, that is driver error (unless the brakes failed - though it can be argued that even mechanical failure is usually the fault of the driving not doing the maintenance properly). True external causes are limited - and animal running into the road, a tree falling, a landslide. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wymspen (talk • contribs) 14:21, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Does watch refer to a pocket watch here?

The following is taken from Aldo Leopold's "A Sand County Almanac" published in 1949: "I seat myself on a beach, facing the white wake of the morning star. I set the pot beside me. I extract a cup from my shirt front, hoping none will notice its informal mode of transport. I get out my watch, pour coffee, and lay notebook on knee." I think "watch" here should be a pocket watch rather than a wrist watch. Am I right? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.128.173.24 (talk) 13:38, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

Probably - but there is nothing to stop someone keeping their wristwatch in their pocket. There is nothing in the text to help identify exactly what type of watch is meant - though it must be a timepiece of some sort. Wymspen (talk) 13:59, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

For all we know, it could be an ankle watch. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 16:53, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

Or even a stopwatch. Akld guy (talk) 08:38, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

According to Watch#Wristwatch they gained respectability as a man's accessory in Britain after WWI. Leopold was already in his 30's by that war's end, it's likely, given the context, he already had a pocket watch, and given the wording, there's no reason to doubt it. Both of my grandfathers, born at the turn of the century, carried pocket-watches, and my grandmothers' wrist watches were fashion accessories, not normally worn unless they were going out on the town. μηδείς (talk) 19:56, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

Agreed, see Great War trench watches.

Photos of Leopold usually show him wearing casual or country clothing. Pocket watches tend to go with jackets and/or waistcoats (which I think may be called vests in the US). I would expect someone dressed like that to have a wristwatch rather than a pocket watch. Wymspen (talk) 14:07, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

June 21

a tenure for a county clerk

Would you tell me how long a tenure for a county clerk in the US usually lasts? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.128.179.56 (talk) 02:01, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

America has 50 states, and 3,144 counties or their equivalents. County (United States). What you mean by "county clerk" is unclear. It may be an elected or bureaucratic position of many types. The term has no universal meaning. For example, in some states judges (not that they are specifically clerks) are elected for varying terms, some are appointed for set or life terms. Even bureaucratic clerks can be replaced, depending on state patronage laws. The question needs to be far more specific, and the fact that states rule their own affairs except for very limited matters be taken into account. μηδείς (talk) 02:57, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

County clerk has a pretty standard meaning in US local politics. It's distinguished from clerks of court, and clerical staff in government offices. Many states provide a fairly strict definition of the office of county clerk in their constitutions, along with term lengths, which vary quite a bit. In Illinois it's 4 years, in Virginia it's 8 years. Alaska doesn't have counties. The California constitution doesn't say much of anything about county clerks. New York allows 3 or 4 year terms by constitution, leaving it up to the legislature to decide by statute (except for counties that are part of NYC, where they're appointed by the state appellate courts). There's obviously a bunch of others though. The short answer is you ought to start with the state constitution of the state you're curious about. —/Mendaliv/^2¢/_Δ's/ 03:52, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

Job profile of BDO in Jharkhand orHaryana

Can someone please tell me the salary, educational and age requirement, promotion citerea, work and other things about BDO in Jharkhand orHaryana?--Aryan ( है?) 04:29, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

I assume you mean a Block Development Officer? Rojomoke (talk) 05:15, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

Online discussion forum for people interested in fitness/exercise

Hi. I'm looking for a good online discussion forum for people interested in fitness/exercise, where there's a decent amount of helpful interaction from people who know what they're talking about. Suggestions welcomed. Thanks --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 08:55, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

The problem with internet groups, is that everyone is an expert, just like everyone is an expert in the gym. I personally read (and sometimes post) on this group http://theofficebodybuildingworkout28918.yuku.com/forums/1#.V2kP4FE3dwY It's probably not really what you're looking for, but I've picked up some good tips from it. --TrogWoolley (talk) 10:03, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

Organs

I would like to ask a question about electronic organs. I am quite a music buff, so musical instruments such as these interest me. What I would like to know is, why do they cost so much? I'm talking about companies such as Lowrey and Wersi, whose top level organs are priced at around thirty thousand pounds. Given that one of these instruments can't have much more power than my five hundred pound laptop pic, how can those high prices be justified? I can buy decent keyboards from Nord and Casio and even Yamaha for the likes of two thousand pounds or considerably less. Those instruments are just as good. I could probably make my own synthesiser with two hundred pounds worth of parts and then some. Are Wersi and Lowrey mental? It seems to me they are. As a music buff, I should have the right to a rational explanation for these issues.

Here is a link to the Wersi Louvre. What kind of fool would buy that organ for that price, when it is probably worse than one of Casio's top things. Just because it is full size, rather than he "table top" keyboards I'm used to doesn't mean that Wersi get to rip me off! Sure it comes with a seat, but that seat probably cost Wersi pennies.

This is a Nord keyboard for the price of one thousand, two hundred and twenty-nine pounds only. The second links shows a keyboard which is far more powerful than Wersi Louvr scam. I do not trust these fools. I do not pay thirty grand for something which worth less than one percent of that.

Thank you Pablothepenguin (talk) 23:29, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

Ps, If I put a price on the Wersi Louvre, it would go a for a "bargain" three thousand pounds, and Lowrey organs would be changed from ten grand to just one grand.

Are you seriously asking this? And are you really asking if those companies are mental? I can't imagine how anybody could not see the gigantic differences between those organs. Seriously. Anybody?--TMCk (talk) 23:54, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

(ec) Zzzzz. To the extent you have asked a question ('how can those high prices be justified?'), the answer is supply and demand: there's a market which supports an organ of that spec at that price. That's all the justification needed. As to why it might cost £30k rather than £1k ... three keyboards versus one. 61 & 76 keys versus 49. Pedals versus none. Sound reproduction system versus none. Large robust structure versus little plastic box. Build quality. Transport costs. Distribution of fixed costs over a smaller denominator of sales. All cogent reasons, even before we get on to Veblen goods. Me: I'd prefer a Hammond with a Leslie cab, but there you go. --Tagishsimon (talk) 00:01, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

I still feel that the price is too high, though, As, I said, the cabinetry is probably surprisingly cheap, and I could probably buy three keyboards, an amp some speakers and a pedalboard fr less than five thousand pounds. I can even use a few hundred pounds of wood to build some cabinetry for the whole setup. Still much less. Computationally, the internal circuitry does not justify the cost and Wersi are rather misinformed. Pablothepenguin (talk) 08:49, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Irrelevant tangent on electric cars, point proven wrong Pablothepenguin (talk) 10:00, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
Electric cars appear to cost north of a hundred thousand pounds new and suffer a massive depreciation as soon as they leave the showroom. They appear to be much simpler to build than their diesel/petrol equivalents, so why the huge price differential? 86.168.123.89 (talk) 09:46, 22 June 2016 (UTC) They might appear to cost that much to you, but they don't. £20-£30k is much more likely for the Nissan Leaf, Renault Zoe or BMW i3 for example. Part of that cost for some of those cars is the battery pack, which some commentators have estimated as costing around £10k.--Phil Holmes (talk) 09:53, 22 June 2016 (UTC) Not so fast, hombre. This pricing appears to relate to electric SUVs. How does this compare with conventional SUVs? Tesla Model S appears to be a similarly priced normal car. 86.168.123.89 (talk) 10:21, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Here is an eBay listing for only four grand. You can see the difference that eBay makes. I told you I was right. Pablothepenguin (talk) 11:26, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

The phrase "stunning condition" in that ebay ad rather suggests that it is not a new machine. Wymspen (talk) 11:53, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

I never said it was. Pablothepenguin (talk) 12:06, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

The Nord's still digital too. If you want something that your laptop can't do, and you aren't willing to consider the value of physical keys and knobs, then consider looking at actual analog synthesizers or tone wheel organs. Those can get pretty pricey too. To reiterate on the supply an demand, *all* musical instruments seem a bit overpriced to an outsider, right? These organs are often rather low production runs, selling primarily to professionals and institutions, not really "normal" individuals. Re: the car comparison, remember, "If you can afford a truck, you can afford a Synthesizer". SemanticMantis (talk) 13:48, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Instead of this silly discussion -- the obvious answer is "the Wersi instrument is priced as it is because the people buying it find it worth that price" -- someone might instead edit Wersi so that it doesn't read like an advertisement. --jpgordon^{𝄢𝄆 𝄐𝄇} 14:10, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

What Organ Is Right For Me?

I am interested in teaching myself how to play the organ. What would be an ideal starter organ for less than five grand? Pablothepenguin (talk) 14:18, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Based on the above conversation I would suggest you leave the organ aside and get a cheap electronic keyboard like a synthesizer.--TMCk (talk) 15:03, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Maybe, but "cheap" is relative, and there's some terminology issues. Does OP really want an "organ" per se, and what does that mean to them? Is a digital organ an organ? Is a synthesizer an organ? The new Minimoog reissue costs $3.5k. Which, granted, is a lot less than $30k, but not really a casual purchase for most of us, and it's not really an organ, as it only plays one note at a time. OP is not going to get a tonewheel organ for $5k. He can get a very nice digital simulacra of a tonewheel from Nord [23]. for $3.7k. There are also entry-level digital pianos for around $1k, many of which can make decent organ sounds. Still another option is to buy high-quality software like this [24] and get a nice midi controller to play on.

But this is quickly getting outside our purview.

I'd direct OP to the weekly "what should I buy?" thread at /r/synthesizers. If you give them a rough budget and feature request and describe what is most important to you (e.g. ease of play, faithful sonic recreation, foot pedals, portability?) you might get some good recommendations. SemanticMantis (talk) 15:37, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

I was actually thinking of an organ, that is to say an instrument with two or more keyboards. This is because I want to teach myself how to play multiple keyboards at once. So, no synthesisers or digital pianos, please. Also I ment five thousand pounds, not dollars. Please bear these things in mind. Any other suggestions? Pablothepenguin (talk) 18:26, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

If you want an organ with lots of features and of high quality I would recommend something like that here.--TMCk (talk) 18:45, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

You should make up your mind about what it is that you actually want if you expect a more serious answer.--TMCk (talk) 19:02, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

What I would like is an instrument with Church organ, Hammond organ, Theatre Organ and orchestral sounds and two or more keyboards for less than five thousand pounds. Pablothepenguin (talk) 19:05, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Right, ok, that's a very strange definition of an organ, but if you want two keyboards, that's fine. Did you see the Nord I linked? It has two keyboards. Here's a new Hammond with one keyboard [25]. Lots of key players just mount different keyboards above/below each other using stands. Anyway, I take back what I said before - you should be able to get a used tonewheel organ for 5,000 pounds, just look at your local ebay/craigslist/pawn shop/classified ads. I just saw a real tonewheel Hammond A-100 from the 1950s going for $1500 in my area. (And please don't collapse/hat a comment just because you don't like it. Many of us would consider that rude. For a "music buff" you're not really explaining yourself very clearly. For example tone wheel organs and digital pianos and digital organs are all commonly classified as synthesizers. Just because an old Hammond isn't using the same technology a new Korg is doesn't make the Hammond anything other than an electro-mechanical synthesizer. And again, this isn't even what the reference desks are for, I'm just trying to help you a little because I find this stuff personally interesting and it's not explicitly disallowed for me to help you shop ;) SemanticMantis (talk) 19:08, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

I dunno, (or actually I do) but a starter organ can be bought for 300 quid... If you are willing to spend ₤5000,- you can get some pretty top-notch instruments! If you're willing to check the second-hand market you'll see that your options are numerous. OXYGENE 7-13 (TALKPAGE) 19:12, 22 June 2016 (UTC) WERSI is most definitely a very good choice, HAMMOND still makes some pretty amazing organs as well, CLAVIA not shure if analogue or digital, Diplom Ingenieur Heinz Ahlborn produces organs in a more retro style if that is what you prefer. The best thing to do is to go to your local musical instruments-store and get some face-to-face advice from an expert. OXYGENE 7-13 (TALKPAGE) 19:12, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

I would prefer an organ with proper wooden cabinetry, and also my instrument would need a pedalboard as well. Pablothepenguin (talk) 19:14, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

WERSI I'd say, big name, high quality. OXYGENE 7-13 (TALKPAGE) 19:26, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

I am struggling to find Lowrey or Wersi pre owned organs in Scotland, where I'm from. Please help. Pablothepenguin (talk) 19:39, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Wersi pre-owned.--TMCk (talk) 19:45, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

June 22

Concentrating mind on study

What may be the list of tips for best concentration on study? (Tips for higher secondary students ) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 113.199.255.74 (talk) 06:39, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia has an article titled Study skills which may have some ideas, and if you follow references from that article, it may lead you to better places. --Jayron32 06:55, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Since you ask about concentration, see also Attentional control and Mindfulness.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 07:11, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Attentional shift & ADHD might also be articles of interest. --107.15.152.93 (talk) 20:11, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

England National football (soccer) team questions

First, England invests enormous amounts of money in football, as far as I know more then Germany or Italy. However, England are demonstrably not that good. Why not?

Second, whilst England are not that good, they are demonstrably not that bad. Yet from what I have seen England are technically weaker than many demonstrably worse teams, like Slovakia and Russia. What are England doing well?--Leon (talk) 10:05, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Also, why do Scotland never seem to qualify? Shouldn't they be much better with the second oldest league system in the whole world? Pablothepenguin (talk) 10:09, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

The explanation which is often given is that because English football is so rich, the top teams prefer to employ international superstars, which means that there are far fewer English players reaching the top ranks than used to be the case. I am not an expert, so can't say if that is the main or only reason. Wymspen (talk) 13:42, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Any word on why Scotland is so bad at qualifying for football tournaments? Pablothepenguin (talk) 14:16, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Small population?--Leon (talk) 14:44, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Haggis, bagpipes, whisky, caber tossing? --Cookatoo.ergo.ZooM (talk) 15:05, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

"Scottish football is shite"... they say. Ghmyrtle (talk) 16:39, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

I presume you're aware that the vast majority of money invested in football in England comes from Sky and sponsors, and goes to Premier League teams who comprise dozens of different nationalities? In qualifying for Euro 2016, they were the only team to win all qualifying matches. They are notoriously weak in tournaments. I don't think there's any real answer to why that happens... The same logic is true in Scotland to an extent, many mainland Europeans play up there, and as the population is so much smaller, their starting point is substantially weaker. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:14, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Typically, the explanation given for England's poor performances is that for all the money available, they do not play a very tactically advanced game and are therefore fairly easy for a top team to contain. This is said to be a result of favoring players who have a lot of grit and resolve, but who are not necessarily very gifted technically. Their best performance in a World Cup since winning in 1966 came in 1990, when they actually had such a technical player, Paul Gascoigne, as their offensive leader. Now, Scotland has not always been bad at qualifying for major tournaments: they had quite a good run of qualifying for the World Cup from the 1970s to the 1990s, being successful in 1974, 1978, 1982, 1986, 1990 and 1998. They didn't do anything once they got to the tournament, but that's a very nice record of qualifying for a small country. They haven't been much good since, but a lot of countries go through similar phases when they are very god for a coupe of decades, then fade away. For example, Hungary was one of the powerhouses of Europe from the 1930s to the mid-1980s, and then disappeared off the football map until qualifying for this year's European championships. These things are cyclical, that's all. --Xuxl (talk) 16:31, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

I know that Scotland has a relatively low population, but why are New Zealand better at rugby then when they have an even lower population? I don't get it! Pablothepenguin (talk) 19:24, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

The reason for that is that rugby has always been New Zealand's national game and New Zealanders are extremely passionate about it. Akld guy (talk) 20:17, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

But passion is not enough. We Scots are very passionate about football, but that doesn't help. Pablothepenguin (talk) 21:14, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Exercise

Basic, intermediate, advance, mastery level exercise movements (with or without mechanisms) tutorial/step by step guide sought; with images. -- Apostle (talk) 11:19, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Hair fall issue

Reason(s), condition(s), list of mitigation steps and so on, sought. -- Apostle (talk) 11:19, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Hair falls for the same reason as everything else, gravity. If you're asking about hair loss, then I suggest you click on that link and come back here with more specific questions. Dismas|^(talk) 13:13, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Last week you were trying to get rid of your hair. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 16:55, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Q is: when are we going to be rid of our hare?--178.103.190.96 (talk) 22:40, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Chart sought

A chart sought where it displays all sorts of holidays, memorial days and so on, e.g., Fathers Day… -- Apostle (talk) 11:19, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Every country has its own list - which one do you want? Wymspen (talk) 11:57, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Go to any stationary store and ask them for a calendar. Dismas|^(talk) 13:15, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

This site [26] has a chart of international holidays. SemanticMantis (talk) 15:18, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

wagon tracks

Could you introduce to me something more about wagon tracks in the Middle West of America that pioneers left? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.249.215.130 (talk) 13:48, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

I don't know about "Midwest", but some of the wagon train ruts from out west still exist. Oregon Trail Ruts (Guernsey, Wyoming) for example. You could probably use Google to find a lot of them. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 14:49, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Hull's Trace North Huron River Corduroy Segment is the remains of an early military road in Michigan. Rmhermen (talk) 19:43, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Lack of shareholder resistance to Google's continued standoff with Chinese government

The search ad market in China is worth about 20 billion dollars these days. If Google were to get half of that market share it would add 10 billion dollars in revenue to its 75 billion dollars in annual revenue. Presumably if Google were to cave in on censorship demands of the Chinese government it would be back in China (as Google did by launching a version of Youtube this year in Pakistan that was more sensitive to government take down demands on grounds of blasphemy, allowing a ban on Youtube to be lifted there). Anyways this is not a soapbox statement, I want to know why, given shareholders really like their dividends and since Google is missing out on billions of dollars in profits annually from China, isn't there any shareholder activism urging Google to cave in and return to China? I mean it seems like there isn't a peep of protest from Google search results for this subject. Even assuming a lot of investors care about taking an ethical stand against Internet censorship, a lot of really money hungry tycoon and hedge funds don't and own a lot of Google and have the capability and self interest to organize shareholder activism. Any explanations for the total lack of such activity? Muzzleflash (talk) 15:58, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Please note this item at the top of the page "We don't answer requests for opinions, predictions or debate." As there will be no one definitive answer this is one of those questions. MarnetteD|Talk 16:38, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

In principle we could give references to other sources that discuss this issue. SemanticMantis (talk) 16:47, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

It's not a request for debate (not arguing about merits of positions), predictions (not asking will Google cave in?), or opinion (just want to know about the thinking process of shareholders). Muzzleflash (talk) 17:15, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

How do you expect us to provide references to the "thinking processes" of each of several hundred private individuals most of whom have never commented on such matters?--Jayron32 19:02, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

I did reference tycoons and hedge funds which because of their sophistication and a lot of skin in the game tend to weigh this kind of question with organized thinking. In any case I hope you guys can refrain from talking about rules when there's no clear violation. It takes away from the discussion. Muzzleflash (talk) 19:08, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

No, you've provided no references. You've asked a question that we cannot provide you references to. The purpose of the desk is to provide references, that is further reading, about a subject. There is no Wikipedia article, nor is there a reliable source outside of Wikipedia which explains the "thinking process" of each of several hundred private individuals. --Jayron32 21:14, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Libertarian mind control device

What is the blue and black device that Gary Johnson is wearing around his collar in the lede photo of this WSJ article? When I first saw him wearing it in the video of his and William Weld's talk with the editors of the NYT, I assumed it was a wireless microphone pickup to improve the audio quality of the primary subject of the recording, and that Gov. Weld didn't get one because he came in late, but now I figure that it must belong to Gov. Johnson himself, but I can figure out if it is a pair of sunglasses turned around, a personal music player, a telephone Bluetooth headset, or what. If he's wearing it during tonight's CNN Libertarian Town Hall Meeting, I'd like to be able to explain to friends what it is. -- ToE 17:32, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

It looks like a Bluetooth headset. As for why he'd wear it up there to give a talk, I don't know. Dismas|^(talk) 18:31, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

(ec - too slow) A headset I guess?--TMCk (talk) 18:32, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

I can't view the video. I'm just going from the picture but it looks like this. Dismas|^(talk) 18:33, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks! That put me on the right track. It appears to be the LG TONE Active™ Premium Wireless Stereo Headset HBS-850 Blue. As for why, well he is a both eccentric and physically active, so it isn't out of character for him to be wearing a product "specially designed to accompany you on your longest training runs and your most punishing sets". Thanks all! -- ToE 20:00, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Why is it mainly UK that leads the rejection front against inviting Turkey to join the EU?

HOTmag (talk) 19:28, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Scotland does not reject Turkey, by the way. Pablothepenguin (talk) 19:36, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

The UK government has previously expressed itself as being in favour of Turkish membership - the current publicity about this is entirely down to the referendum campaigning, and is an attempt to scare people. Even Boris Johnson has previously expressed his support (he does, after all, have a Turkish great-grandfather) In the long run, if the Turkish application progresses, it is going to be far more difficult to get approval from Cyprus and Greece because of the continuing division of Cyprus. Wymspen (talk) 20:09, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Puke yellow?

Is there a name for the greenish-yellow color commonly seen on safety vests, etc.? The article has a link to Chartreuse (color), but I suspect there is an "official" name for the color (cf: safety orange, international orange) --107.15.152.93 (talk) 19:51, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

I don't think there's an analogous official name. There is an official ANSI spec for high-visibility garments though, see e.g. here [27] for a summary. This is also discussed a bit at our article on high-visibility clothing, and note that many/most ANSI-conforming products are not just colored but also reflective, often using 3M Scotchlite [28]. Many places simply call it "high-visibilty yellow" [29], though "lime" seems to be used other places. I can't find easily find the exact text of the ANSI spec. Our article says the garment must be "conspicuously colored." SemanticMantis (talk) 20:38, 22 June 2016 (UTC)