User talk:Ritchie333

Keeping an eye on stuff. Meanwhile, here is some music.

"that's just a bad cut and paste job"

I don't understand what "that's just a bad cut and paste job" is supposed to mean. I was just following MOS:ELLIPSIS—there's no "cut and paste" involved. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 22:33, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

The "bad cut and paste job" referred to the original quotation, so I re-did the edit, cutting down some superfluous chaff. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:55, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

...leaving the essential chaff, of course. EEng 15:59, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Regarding page Kuldeep Pai

Hi there,

This is regarding page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuldeep_Pai. I see you have closed the page mentioning -'closing as no consensus'. I had included new artifacts, magazine reference and links of the National daily newspaper- The Hindu, substantiating the notability of the subject. There were three admins who had voted 'Keep' and none for 'Delete' in the AfD forum. We had discussions in the forum and I had incorporated few more citations to the content and improvised the content by adding his awards, with appropriate links. So why was this closed as no consensus. I would like to know the status of this article and what my next steps are...what else can I do to make this article live..kindly advise. Sharan (talk) 10:25, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

Simply put, not enough people turned up to the debate. A “no consensus” close means the article is still kept, so I wouldn’t worry about it. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 10:57, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

Potential?

Don't hide very real problems under some wishy-washy title. He was a serial copyright violator who only reduced this once Corensearchbot came around, and even then he continued with copyvio translations and the like. This happened when he was here for a few years already and had created thousands of articles; not just in his first few edits. Fram (talk) 10:47, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

He’s also a friend of mine. I suggest you read this. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 10:51, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

I thought as much. That's not an excuse to spread misinformation at AN. Please stay out of this discussion if you can't be bothered to actually read the evidence presented so far, and prefer to attack the messenger. I suggest you read anything at all (perhaps Miffy or something else easily understandable) instead of editing about this dispute from now on. Fram (talk) 16:27, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Phil Lynott

The article Phil Lynott you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Phil Lynott for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of FunkMonk -- FunkMonk (talk) 17:01, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

Arbcom request

I started a request for an ArbCom case at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#Copyvio and retaliation Fram (talk) 13:00, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

Wait out responding. There is nothing to gain by diving in the ring. Legacypac (talk) 01:37, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Discussion at User talk:Mz7#sources

 You are invited to join the discussion at User talk:Mz7#sources. —usernamekiran(talk) 09:37, 6 March 2018 (UTC)Template:Z48

Abel Crawford

Any chance of you adding Abel Crawford to your watchlist for a day or two? As with the Digges article, the sources were completely misrepresented. Eg: the source gives a date of death of 1851 but the article said 1817, the article showed a legacy being given by the wrong person, and it claimed that Abel was the first settler, despite the source saying otherwise. It's basic stuff and I can do without the back-and-forth with someone who simply doesn't seem to get it, sorry. - Sitush (talk) 16:50, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

I spotted two facts contradicted by a source (name of Fabyans and year moved in) and dropped that in the article, and will keep an eye on it. However, if I start doing major work on the article I'm going to be WP:INVOLVED and some other admin will need to handle any disruption. I have also said FloridaArmy should just leave you to fix up the articles and not revert them, and that is purely based on experience and past dealings with you both. I have been unimpressed with their edit summaries and conduct, particularly for someone who have spent quite a bit of time defending. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:03, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, thanks, I took the info from the academic source that was already present and which gives a different date and name to the one you used. I hadn't actually looked around for other sources (still haven't) because I am trying to fix errors etc relating to misreading or whatever of the existing one. I left a couple of notes at the talk page but understand that you are limited in what you can do or say.

FWIW, I first raised the issue concerning behaviour at Digges with Bish several days ago but she was tired. I raised it overnight with Drmies because he was around and it was getting silly, but FA didn't respond to the ping Drmies gave them. This may seem like admin shopping but you found the Digges and Bylaw articles without me asking, and the Crawford one is subsequent to those past issues. - Sitush (talk) 17:25, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

I've kept an eye on FloridaArmy since Line the Label got sent to AfD - I just thought an article on women's fashion was worth saving to counteract systemic bias. I am worried their experience of having to continually defend themselves at AfD has brought out an aggressive streak. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:46, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

Well, yes, although the idea of DGG being lumped with people described as "crappy deletionists" is almost oxymoronic! The aggression is a problem but there are bigger problems and it is those which are likely to trigger more aggression. Eg: not a great deal of use of edit summaries, failure to categorise and add projects to new articles, numerous issues with RS, V and (yes) notability, citing that is often poor etc. They're kind of setting themselves up for a fall, I'm afraid. Hopefully, they'll listen to you more than they seem to be listening to many other people. Anyone, no more here: not fair to talk about someone behind their back and I dare not ping them. - Sitush (talk) 18:42, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

Hm, the knives are out. - Sitush (talk) 10:37, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

*sigh* I suppose I should go over there and say a few words - again, I don't want to sling mud at FloridaArmy, but their edit summaries include Sitush this, Sitush that and Sitush the other - if you don't keep edit summaries geared towards the content, it will come back to haunt you. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 10:43, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

Well, I'm guilty of that, and worse. I don't think I was being bite-y but, yes, robust. I'm concerned that I may have driven them away but that is a fine line, given the extent of the issues raised, not just by me and over a long time. I would drop them a conciliatory note but obviously cannot.

As for Abel Crawford, I see that you are into DYK. Is there an enticing hook in that thing somewhere? I'm rather ambivalent about the entire DYK process and I am still unsure about the article title but ... - Sitush (talk) 01:50, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

I have previously expressed the opinion that "DYK should probably be taken outside and shot" (and dragged to ANI for it too, oh joy of joys) but my starter for ten would be "... that Abel Crawford designed a major pass through the White Mountains of New Hampshire?" Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 18:45, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

Arbitration case request closed

Hi Ritchie333. The Copyvio and retaliation arbitration case request, which you were listed as a party to, has been declined. For the Arbitration Committee, Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 23:01, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

Monty's advice

Is good, contrary to what I said in my response, and I will take it. But I wanted a discussion about the particulars, because I think this is a good candidate for adding a clarification to our existing P&G's. The general consensus seems to be rather clear that "if in doubt, leave it out" and that's fine by me (though I'm not fine with people asserting that either my link nor the original upload was a copyvio, given the fact that I've cited a court decision that explicitly affirms my contention). But I wanted to let you know that your advice was not dismissed out of hand, the way it would almost certainly appear from my response. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 17:14, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

The relevant guideline is WP:ELNEVER which says "Knowingly directing others to material that violates copyright might be considered contributory copyright infringement". So there is an actual risk of opening up the WMF to lawsuits by doing that link. The odds of the copyright holders actually giving a flying monkeys about you linking to it as a joke are minimal, and personally I think the more humour around here, the better, as ANI is hardly what I'd call a laugh-a-minute cabaret. But you can't have a go at someone for following an established guideline that exists for a real reason.

Now, to be serious for a minute, I can't believe you haven't read the recent Arbcom case involving me and Fram, and if I didn't know any better, I would say that this and this are attempts to bear bait Fram into snapping or responding in kind. I'm going to AGF that it isn't, because if it was you would be disrupting Wikipedia to illustrate a point. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:25, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

I've already addressed whether or not the video is a copyvio to any reasonable standard. The risk is minimal; no more than the risk associated with any of our fair use images (and significantly less for any fair use image in an article which contains a "criticism" section).

No, I wasn't baiting Fram. I reverted the edit at ANI one time because there was literally no evidence given for asserting that it was a policy violation, an admin should know better than to simply assert something like that, and because when I looked for a relevant policy, I found that it was not a clear violation. Had Fram asked me to remove the link, I might have done so. But taking it upon themselves to edit my comment while asserting without evidence that it was a copyright violation, then assertion at my talk page -again without evidence- that it was both a copyright and a policy violation did not predispose me to taking a gentle approach.

The reversion of their last comment on my page was a direct follow-up to my previous comment, in which I told Fram that I was done with that discussion, unless they could quote a relevant policy. Instead, Fram responded by repeated an untrue assertion that the video is "clearly" a copyvio. So I reverted. You'll notice that I revert a lot of stuff on my talk page.

I also like to think that if I wanted to bait someone, I could do a better job of it. Lord knows I don't lack any ability to piss people off, and what little I know about Fram suggests that they're short-tempered enough that I could have easily done so by now.

Finally: I don't follow arbcom cases. Their structure is too difficult to follow for an editor whose editing time is generally confined to 5-10 minutes chunks, scattered throughout the day. So no, I don't know what your history with Fram is. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 17:39, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

Nice legs. Shame about the notability.

"Hey baby, do those legs go all the way up?"
"Why yes. Yes they do."

I don't mind editors reverting - it's part of the natural editing cycle - but reverting comments on ANI generally backfires, and if they've got a summary like "Jesus H Fucking Christ" then it's almost inviting a fight to be picked. The trouble with humour is it doesn't travel particularly well - for instance, I was tempted to start this AfD with the rationale "nice legs, shame about the notability" but too many people would not understand the original reference. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:47, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

Dear god, you'd have been my hero for a few days if you had...

I understand what you mean about the cursing, and I'll bee the first to admit it's my fault. I tend to curse more when I'm relaxed and enjoying myself, and I know that's not typical, so it doesn't come across like I'm relaxed and enjoying myself (especially because I enjoy arguing, sometimes even against really badly defended positions). I should do more about it, but the cursing is frequently something I do without thought, and the idea of going back to edit my comments to remove curse words just screams "hammer pants lost his cool and now needs to cover for himself!" And of course, there's nothing I can do about an edit summary once it's posted. I really do need to try to curb it more, though. Catch myself before I hit "publish". ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 18:13, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Hanging Sword Alley

On 9 March 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Hanging Sword Alley, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Hanging Sword Alley was also known as "Blood Bowl Alley" after its infamous night life? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Hanging Sword Alley. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Hanging Sword Alley), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

Aaron Sim

Hi Ritchie333, I authored the Aaron Sim page that you've deleted. Is it ok if I recreate it again and improve? It's my supposed first article here in wiki and I've made a good effort in doing my research. Shenalyn2018 (talk) 03:14, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

@Shenalyn2018: "Is it ok if I recreate it again and improve?" I'm afraid not. The article went to a full community discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aaron Sim, and essentially nobody except you said we should have an article on this person. Find another article to edit. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:02, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

Hi @Ritchie333:, the only reason it was deleted in the first place is because of its notability, and I think the subject is notable enough and I improve the article, can we open another discussion asking for others opinion from SouthEast Asian editors? As per G4; it says that articles that is improved are excluded--Shenalyn2018 (talk) 12:03, 9 March 2018 (UTC)Shenalyn2018

It's a difficult situation. Wikipedia operates on consensus, and sometimes a minority view doesn't carry. For example, at the AfDs here and here, I gave reasons that the article should be kept, but the overriding consensus was to delete the article instead. The best option is to create the article in draft space and submit it via the Articles for creation process - let me know if you need any help with that. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 13:16, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

Pink Floyd

No worries! We've all been there. :) Andrzejbanas (talk) 22:37, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

G12

I am currently considering the article St. Mary's Fochabers. The History section is a copy and paste copyvio of one source, and the Architecture section is a similar copyvio of another. When I have removed these we have the two sentence lead, most of which is encyclopedic. My inclination is to nominate it for G12 speedy deletion, but you may say this is wrong, because it can be kept as a single sentence stub. Would you like to comment on this? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:02, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Cwmhiraeth: If there is non-copyvio content, remove the copyvio and tag the page with {{revdel-copyvio}} instead to request a RD1 deletion. Regards SoWhy 10:06, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Different admins take different views on this. If you were to take the G12 criteria absolutely literally, you would probably never delete anything with G12. I can see, SoWhy, that you are on the non-deletionist end of the admin spectrum in this respect, so I am hoping Richie will give his views when next online. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:32, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

British churches have an extensive history spanning centuries and are generally considered notable, or at least worth a redirect to the parent village / parish article. eg: St Mary the Virgin, Acocks Green, St Mary the Virgin's Church, Little Hormead, St Mary the Virgin, Mortlake, St Mary the Virgin, Saffron Walden, St Mary the Virgin's Church, Ellenbrook, St Mary the Virgin's Church, Deane, St Mary the Virgin's Church, Leigh. SoWhy is right in this instance; I have reduced the article to a stub and revision deleted the violating content. In general, G12s are completely unsalvageable wholesale copy/pastes of websites and frequently have other problems such as paid advocacy or other blatant promotion. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 10:40, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

On a side note, copyvio is not something related to deletionism or inclusionism. It's always forbidden and should be handled as strictly as necessary. However, G12 contains the language where there is no non-infringing content on the page worth saving for a reason, so saying to preserve that content is not a question of being "non-deletionist" but of following policy as it's written and intended. Regards SoWhy 10:55, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Sometimes a G12-eligible page can be stubified, too. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 11:26, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

It can, but I think it's within the bounds of administrator discretion (ie: I'd avoid it myself but wouldn't scream to Arbcom about it) to delete it on the grounds you don't know enough about the topic to write a decent and factually accurate stub, and you have no qualms about the article being recreated by somebody who does. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:33, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

• I reckon it's now a nice little stub. And has an entry in the dab page too. One small argument in favour of preserving at least a minimal stub or a redirect, rather than blasting an article out of existence completely, is that there may be a whole lot of useful carefully-crafted incoming redirects which will be lost automatically if the article is deleted, even if soon re-created (but then redirects are something I get a bit obsessive about!) Doesn't apply in this case, but might easily, given the messiness and scope for variation of church names PamD 11:29, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Another reason (although it can't apply in this case for copyvios) is that the entire history is preserved and if you want to pull out old text and sources to reconstruct the article, you can do without having to ask an admin. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:33, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

As with the useful sources you rescued for this one! PamD 11:37, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

I've now created a few incoming redirects, too. PamD 11:36, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

• I had a look at one of the editor's other creations, Immaculate Conception Parish Church, Stratherrick, and have removed a copyvio chunk - could you do the revdel stuff please? Thanks. Might be worth checking all their earlier creations, and perhaps other major edits. PamD 11:47, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

I've checked the articles they created and scrubbed the copyvios. There may be others hidden away in articles they expanded - I haven't checked. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:54, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Thank you all. That's given me a better idea of when and when not to nominate for G12 deletions. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:25, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Ken Dodd

You think you can get away, but you can't! I'll follow you home and I'll shout jokes through your talk page!

Saw your user page banner and your comments at ITN/C. It is indeed a great shame that his article isn't good enough (yet) to post. I remember a Spitting Image sketch from 1992 right around the time that Frankie Howerd and Benny Hill had died, depicting Dodd running around trying to convince everyone that he hadn't died too. Amazing to think he lived on for another quarter of a century.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 14:38, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

There is nobody else in the world like him, and his whole attitude to life - forget about problems and have a laugh - is a good one to have. I remember Spitting Image from when it was still being shown on television; one thing that is kind of lost these days is that it was bang up to date - there was some incident with Paul Gascoigne in the afternoon (I forget what) and by the evening it had made its way into the episode. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 14:43, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

I wonder how many fans of his comedy routines in his later years realized that he also had massively successful musical career releasing not comedy songs but romantic ballads? A remarkable man. I guess Spitting Image couldn't go on forever but we still need satire - I wonder why it's never been revived (2DTV was certainly not a patch on it).--Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:21, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

This is about as close as we get these days to Spitting Image. And my main knowledge of Sir Ken's musical career is as a comeback to people who think the 60s were all hippies, peace, love, the Beatles, Carnaby Street and Mary Quant's school of fashion, pointing out that he was one of the most successful recording artists of that decade. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 15:33, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Crawfords

I am pretty sure that I have nominated the Crawford family of the White Mountains incorrectly at DYK. The process appears to be even more complex than it was when I last endured it and I notice that there are loads of potentially similarly malformed nominations in the maintenance category. Mine has ended up at Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Crawford_family_of_the_White_Mountains, as far as I can see, and I have no idea if it is supposed to move from there now or whether it gets reviewed there and then moved. Have I messed it up? - Sitush (talk) 10:50, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

You need to transclude the nomination into the main Template talk:Did you know page under the date the article was created. I've done that here for you. The Pending DYK nominations category is simply a list of nominations that have passed review, but have not yet been queued to appear on the main page. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 10:53, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

Ah, thanks. I'm sure the process was not always this complex! I thought one of the functions of DYK was to encourage new contributors but, boy, those instructions would put off most people. - Sitush (talk) 11:00, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

I refer the honourable gentleman to the discussion in this thread. (Oh, and great work on the article, by the way!) Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:06, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

Haim

You advanced that there was a wp:consensus regarding the "reception" section at the talk of this article. Can you give the link because I don't see any discussion concerning this section. Woovee (talk) 23:36, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

Well, the basic rule of thumb is Wikipedia:Silence and consensus; also articles that undergo a good article review tend to have rigorous discussions about factual accuracy and neutrality. You were bold, I reverted, so go and discuss. There might be a bit of shuffling of content required, but as for being written by a fan - really? I think I'm still the main editor, having cleared it up a few years back following work at an editathon. As you can see I assert I like Van Der Graaf Generator on my user page, I've also been editing a bunch of Genesis album articles, and right now I'm listening to some ambient Tangerine Dream, so I think it's unlikely I'm a particular fan of this group! I like their take on "Oh Well", but not as much as Fleetwood Mac's original. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 23:42, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

Re Hawking and haste

Oooh, look at what you could have reverted!

Besides the joke about Trump, I later added a reply to your contribution in the extract from the Hawking ITN discussion below, which I later removed (here) when I noticed the discussion was closed. So just in case you might be interested I'm adding it here (along with added supporting diffs), even though I don't really want to spend any more time on the matter myself.

• Comment: Post-posting support. But it seems this was 17 minutes from nomination to posting. Is this a record for ITN? And for ITN article quality assessment? And for articles where the nominator writes 'Article is in good quality, but does need a bit of spotchecking.', where nobody else commented on article quality except the poster, and where the infobox was not (and still is not) even flagged as updated? Was such haste necessary or advisable? Or does it set a worrying precedent? I understand, perhaps mistakenly, that it was concerns about haste like this after the death of a revered figure that lead the Catholic Church to invent the post of Devil's Advocate, so might ITN benefit from something similar? (Please don't bother answering any of these questions here, as I'm only asking them to provoke thinking on the matter, and this is probably the wrong place to discuss them further, and anyway I'm not really interested in discussing them myself as this comment is hopefully just a one-off breach of my decision to try to stay away from ITN). Tlhslobus (talk) 11:47, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

The article is a former FA; even thought it was delisted in 2014, I know people have kept a close eye on it so I wouldn't have believed it any worse than B-class at any time - I suspect other people knew / felt the same and hence insta-supported. PS: I await Donald Trump's reaction to Hawking's death with interest. Just sayin'. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:49, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

I hate to get further involved in this discussion, but I feel I should mention that you seemingly only posted your support 4 hours after the blurb was posted, and are thus in no way responsible for any excessive haste. But a look at the article history shows that most of the pre-posting supports were posted when there were obvious inconsistencies in our reporting of his death, such as being on the 14th in the lead but the 13th in the infobox(here) (which initially also had his age as 75 (here)). At the time of posting the report of his death in the Death section was ascribed to 'a family spokesman' who was nowhere to be found in the supposedly supporting citations, which referred to 'a family statement'(here). The spokesman eventually became unsourced but was not removed until I removed him a few minutes ago, over 8 hours after we posted(here).Tlhslobus (talk) 13:05, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Regards, Tlhslobus (talk) 13:47, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

I didn't look too closely at the article, but by the time I woke up and saw the news, I judged that there would be high enough traffic to be able to fix any minor issues quickly. It was posted by the time I got round to looking at the article, and a quick sweep through didn't pick up any obvious problems with sourcing and layout, so it was an obvious endorsement of the posting for me. Compare and contrast with Jim Bowen, who died a few hours later, and which is more typical of RDs that turn up with poor-quality articles that have very little in the way of sources and often have BLP violations in them. Hawking's article is in a whole different league. I dare say it's probably the most popular article on Wikipedia right now. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 14:04, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. Arguably it's precisely because it's likely to be so popular that quality issues should have got more than 17 minutes consideration and been addressed by more than one editor, especially the quality of our death announcement. I'm also surprised that a non-verified spokesman survived in it for over 8 hours. And in theory I should probably start a discussion about this at WT:ITN. (And in theory some day I may even do so, but the chances of that currently seem extremely low, as I have too many unpleasant experiences of that kind of discussion). Anyway, sorry for taking up your time, and thanks again for your reply. Regards, Tlhslobus (talk) 14:29, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Year after year we proposed him for TFA on his birthday, but always heard "not good enough". Too late. - If you get popular you are in danger to be deleted, look at Catherine Lynch. 37k+ views, imagine. ---Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:14, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Gerda, see below thread. I think it'll still get closed as NC by somebody else. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 14:39, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Snow no consensus?

I don't think I have ever seen a snow no consensus early closure, and I don't think it is a good idea either. Much better to let this discussion run the full seven days, and instead warn the people engaging in personal attacks individually. Could you please reopen Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Catherine Lynch (2nd nomination)? Fram (talk) 14:25, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

It's an invocation of WP:IAR - in other words, the noise of the argument drowns out the effectiveness of them, and in this instance, I feel the usual deletion policies would cause an increase in disruption, at the cost of well-balanced arguments. I don't think warning individuals is a good idea; they tend to get annoyed at being singled out and say "hang on, User:xyz over there was making a personal attack too, why didn't you warn him!" and a general notice also sends a signal to people gettting to the stage of yelling at each other (but have not yet done so) to back off a bit. As I said on the AfD, if anyone objects to the close, feel free to revert and continue. I have no strong views over whether the article stays or goes. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 14:27, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

I was hoping to hear from AfD regulars who might not have had a chance to see this debate yet as it has only been running two days. There might have also been people like me who were not quite sure yet, and were waiting a bit longer before saying something. As I participated, I can't really reopen, though I might return at some point before the seven-day mark and actually !vote one way or the other (or I might not, it depends on the time available). Carcharoth (talk) 14:33, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

As promised, I have reverted this. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 14:37, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Why re-open it again. I have no problem with the AfD being re-opened for an extra few days. But you did close it for a reason. Anyways, that is on you.BabbaQ (talk) 14:41, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

I knew when I closed it I was ignoring rules, and because I specifically said anyone could object (whether for a valid reason or because policy should be adhered to where possible), they had the right to do so. You can't please everyone! Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 14:44, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Just letting you know that the AfD is about to erupt into a "discussion" about genders. Lol.BabbaQ (talk) 18:33, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

I'd argue that snow no consensus is a valid closure, and not just because I received a mention in the closing rationale. As I see it, there isn't a snowballs chance in hell of a consensus developing. All I see is 20, or so, more keeps and opposes and a later no consensus closure. Mr rnddude (talk) 14:47, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Jim Bowen

On 14 March 2018, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Jim Bowen, which you nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Ad Orientem (talk) 15:49, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Bendy bullies all round! Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 15:52, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

You seem well connected...

Have anyone you can call on who is culturally competent to evaluate Arab/Persian ethnicity issues? GMG^talk 23:49, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Not off the top of my head; it’s not an area I get involved in. Sorry. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 23:52, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Who is the Indian fellow you pinged a while back. Maybe they know someone? GMG^talk 23:56, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Vanamonde93? Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 23:59, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

I guess I'm late to this party...I'm still on kinda-sorta-break. Ancient Persia is outside my area of expertise, I'm afraid. South Asia and Latin America, and mostly since 1900, is where I can claim above-average knowledge of source material. Cheers, Vanamonde (talk) 15:44, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Yes! I... Don't really have another option that i can tell. This will probably be at ANI in under 60 seconds if there's not someone who can step in competently, and that ain't me. It spans multiple articles. GMG^talk 00:05, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

@GreenMeansGo: What is the question? Is it just a matter of knowing or of intervening? If it is basically an academic question I can ask my father who is a retired Doctor of Anthropology and is familiar with those cultures if not the era of the linked article. Jbh ^Talk 00:12, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

I'm only mildly involved, so take my assessment with a grain of salt, but one editor seems to be fixated on the Arab ethnicity of certain historical figures. They only have a couple hundred edits, and so they really haven't gotten the hang of things yet, but they're liable to end up blocked if someone can't explain things in a way that makes sense to them. GMG^talk 00:20, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

I will give the article talk page and see I can pick it apart enough to ask him for argument or source he may know of. If it is just a random ethnicity warrior I don't think he will be of much use. Jbh ^Talk 00:27, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

At least here they seemed to be amenable to generic WP advice, but I can't give much more than that. GMG^talk 00:33, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

OK. I will give it a look. My dad could only give some generic insights — Muzaffarid is derived from Persian roots (He thinks it sounds like it is linked to/claiming links to the Saffarids based on slight knowledge of Persian and of no matter here.) but otherwise it is too far outside his area of expertise. I am not sure what is up on that editor's talk page. It seems to be about different articles entirely. From that I would say they are probably an ethnic POV pusher who will run afoul the banhammer sooner or later. Sorry I could not offer better help. Jbh ^Talk 01:08, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

Just one thing: Muzaffar is Arabic term that means victorious[1] and "id" is an English suffix. Did your father actually say this?

Nabataeus (talk) 01:28, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

Has it occurred to anyone that perhaps there is no need to call Mobārez-al-Din Moḥammad either Arab or Persian and instead we could simply say where he's from (Khorasan)? Similar to how the Iranica does it? Mduvekot (talk) 01:53, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict)He thought it might have been derived as 'Muz (from)-Saffar' (as in the Saffarid Dynasty) but, as I said, it was an off-the-cuff comment based on half-remembered Persian not expertise on the subject.

From my own brief research the clearest statement on Mubariz al-Din Muhammad's family's origin says they came from Khwaf in Khorasan (Beatrice Forbes Manz. Power, Politics and Religion in Timurid Iran. p. 96. Al-Muzaffar, who founded the Muzaffarid dynasty of Fars (1336–93), traced his ancestry back to Khwaf. While the ancestors of the Muzaffarids had left Khwaf at the Mongol invasion…) and most of the sources cite Khorasan as well, which certainly would not lead me to make a presumption of Arab ethnicity. The Empire of the Steppes calls the dynasty "Arabo-Iranian", it does not really address origin or ethnicity it just throws the term out in an unexplained parenthetical, which is far from sufficient to call him Arab.

Anyway, if you want to discuss this in more detail we should do so at the article talk page. Jbh ^Talk 02:07, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

• He thought it might have been derived as 'Muz (from)-Saffar' (as in the Saffarid Dynasty) but, as I said, it was an off-the-cuff comment based on half-remembered Persian not expertise on the subject.

I see.

• From my own brief research the clearest statement on Mubariz al-Din Muhammad's family's origin says they came from Khwaf in Khorasan (Beatrice Forbes Manz. Power, Politics and Religion in Timurid Iran. p. 96. Al-Muzaffar, who founded the Muzaffarid dynasty of Fars (133693), traced his ancestry back to Khwaf. While the ancestors of the Muzaffarids had left Khwaf at the Mongol invasion) and most of the sources cite Khorasan as well, which certainly would not lead me to make a presumption of Arab ethnicity.

Actually, our dispute is not over the Muzaffarids article, and being from Khurasan doesn't exclude you from being Arab. "The Cambridge History of Iran" state: The Muzaffarids originated in an Arab family in Khurasan[2]

• The Empire of the Steppes calls the dynasty "Arabo-Iranian", it does not really address origin or ethnicity it just throws the term out in an unexplained parenthetical, which is far from sufficient to call him Arab.

Yes, thanks for bringing that out. Our dispute revolve around Mubariz al-Din Muhammad, for further input see[3] where I illustrated the problem. User Farawahar imply something that wasn't stated by the author, which in itself is pure OR.

As for your source "The Empire of the Steppes", it state the following on the Muzaffarids: Its founder, the Arab Mubariz ad-Din Muhammad who was already in power at Yezd and in Kerman.[4]

I genuinely didn't want to escalate the matter with Farawahar, I asked him in Mubariz talk page his own page to provide sources that state what he inserted and to leave his OR out of the article.

Nabataeus (talk) 03:06, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

See my comments on the article talk page [5].

Please see this brief tutorial on editing talk pages for how to properly indent talk page discussions. Also, please do not place your signature on a separate line. It makes reading threaded comments more difficult. Thank you. Jbh ^Talk 03:13, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

Oh, sorry. Pardon me. I saw it. Thanks for your contribution. But I didn't exactly know what is your take on the matter. Nabataeus (talk) 03:22, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

My initial take was that it was unlikely that he was Arab. (I still think it is quite likely he was not because claiming Arab ancestry was a matter of status and settled during the conquest was probably a lot like came over on the Mayflower is for Americans — but that is simply unsupportable opinion and general cynicism regarding founding stories/genealogies.) The sources, however, are strong is their support for him being from an Arab family which 'in the days of old' had settled in Khorasan so I boldly edited the article to reflect that.

On the article talk page I pointed out a contemporary source which, if someone can find it and can read it, should be definitive. All the other sources probably trace back to it. A point of caution is that the one source that cites this source does not refer to his family as Arab. While it would be an interesting academic pursuit to to figure out the citation chains for each source and see how independent of one another they really are, that is something for a professor to torment an undergrad with and not something we do on Wikipedia. Cheers. Jbh ^Talk 05:00, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

Hillary

diff. I am curious, what is this "HD widescreen release"? Prince of Thieves (talk) 14:07, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

It's fancy talk for "large monitor" ie: if you are viewing more than about 1280x1024 resolution, the "World War II" section starts on the left rather than somewhere in the middle. It's all to do with that upright image in the "Early life" section; as you said elsewhere, the most practical way out of this logjam is to expand the section with more information, and splitting up paragraphs, so the clear template becomes superfluous. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 14:14, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

ACTRIAL

Thank you for your comments at ACTRIAL. I particularly enjoyed this extract from Tik Tok short video, a G11 candidate about an internet app:

In practice, some users mistakenly use this platform to publish personal advertisements. This violates the user's code but cannot be detected by administrators timely due to the limitation of the background technical system. This has caused strong dissatisfaction among users.

Oh, the irony. Certes (talk) 16:08, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

I think another admin can take a look at that specific article - it's free of the typical buzzwords we see in archetypal corporate spam, has a bit of criticism, and has sources and claims of 1 billion users. I've declined the G11 but to go further would require somebody who understands Chinese and mobile app culture. Indeed, a quick perusal of the creator's block log shows me this is a non-native English speaker trying to do the right thing and just having difficulty doing so. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 16:13, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

But...

My, how attitudes do change! Prince of Thieves (talk) 22:00, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

Have you tasted watermelon water? It's terrible. CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 20:45, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

No, we don't get sophisticated stuff like that over this side of the pond. We just drink tea and beer. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:48, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

You're lucky. But what about the vino... CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 20:56, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

There was a nice poster I saw in a pub once which had a promo shot of Audrey Hepburn in Breakfast at Tiffany's (or at least somebody dressed up to look like her) holding a glass of wine with the caption, "Wine: The sophisticated way to get hammered" Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:12, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

I...need this. I support this. If I ever run for President (of Wine), that's my slogan. CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 14:07, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Hmm...

UK... Rest of the world... I'll bet they're from Canada. GMG^talk 10:36, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

I was trying to make a joke about Corbyn practicing WP:AGF is not a suicide pact, but it's not really happening. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 10:38, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Isn't that a homicide pact? GMG^talk 10:42, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

The "suicide" in this case is committing social suicide in the House of Commons and getting rebuked by his own party. Not a good place to be. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 10:44, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Well see, he's doing it wrong. You have to fire a senior cabinet level official on the same day you publicly defend hostile foreign actions on the floor of your legislature. That way no one notices. Amateurs. GMG^talk 10:56, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Trumps most favoritest doors, hirees come in on the right, and leave on the left.

Possibly, but Trump has fired so many people (does he think he's still doing The Apprentice?) that it's no longer news. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:32, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

I'm surprised they haven't replaced the front entrance of the Summer Mar-a-Lago with revolving doors. Primefac (talk) 12:12, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

No need, He only plays golf at Mar-a-Lago, he fires people at Trump Tower. -- Prince of Thieves (talk) 16:08, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

User:Govvy/Manchester United Europe

What's wrong with a redirect? I already told the other admins who aren't listening, I've made an article to do in that space. Govvy (talk) 16:10, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

@Govvy: Oh right, you want to move that userpage over the existing redirect, in which case that'll flag up a g6 tag. Got it and fixed. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 16:13, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

lol, btw, the youtube video of the game shows the Atari Lynx credits, can't that be used? Govvy (talk) 16:15, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Unless you are absolutely 100% sure that the YouTube video is definitely owned by the copyright holder, I'd avoid it. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 16:20, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Well, the Atari Lynx version I would assume still holds it's copyright under Telegames 1993 as they are still in operation. Would that mean I can't use that video? Govvy (talk) 16:32, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

I don't recognise the uploader's ID : "Zonelynx Atari". Best rule of linking to potential copyvios is - if in doubt, don't. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:10, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

RfA

Hi Ritchie, this guy nommed himself for adminship. I think it's going to be a quick SNOW. Anyway, I don't think he did all the required steps--his RFA doesn't appear at WP:RFA, I don't think it's been announced via MediaWiki:Watchlist-messages, etc. This isn't my area of expertise, so I thought I'd ask for your help to look into what needs to be done, since you have experience with RFA noms. Thanks mate, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:01, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

He forgot to transclude it onto WP:RFA, which is the action that sets off all the other gadgets. I've done so, with a reminder to assume good faith. He is extended-confirmed, has been around a few years, and appears to have a genuine reason to want the tools - except doesn't the page-mover right do what he wants? Well if it does, somebody will tell him that. He won't pass, but hopefully he'll get constructive feedback - this isn't a "I've been on WP for ten minutes and I wanna be an admin RIGHT NOW!!!111one1" Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:05, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

I have told him about the pagemover permission page, just in case this was an error. Prince of Thieves (talk) 17:51, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

I knew it! No problem, will continue my good work here. 🙏 Harsh Rathod 18:28, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

WP:RFAADVICE is essential reading. If you really think you could do a good job as an admin, you need to be in a position where other people are asking, nay demanding, that you have the tools to take the workload off them. That's going to be a year or two, I think. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 18:32, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, actually I understood about this, after creating the nomination page. I got goosebumps when I saw USER:Primefac's nomination page. I was definitely going to fail. Still I haven't explored Wikipedia to the level of an admin. It is just a matter of course of time. 😁 Harsh Rathod 18:46, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

If you mean Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Primefac 2, yeah that was a nail-biter. It was really Opabinia regalis' enthusiasm (as co-nominator) and confidence that he could do the job and do it well that convinced me to give it a go and do my damndest to get him to pass. He seems to have turned out alright as an admin. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 18:58, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Aww, thanks. Primefac (talk) 16:20, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Currently I feel like who's gon pray for me?/Take my pain from me? 😖 Harsh Rathod 12:46, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Well, there is been a vacancy for Richard Whiteley-esque pun making on this page since Martinevans123 has stopped squatting here, so guess the job's yours if you want it. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:56, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

"Do I look like the kind of guy who enjoys puns?" Martinevans123 (talk) 13:04, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

"So, time's up, how many do you have, Theresa?" "23". "And how many do you have, Vladimir?" "23 too". "23 each, very interesting, hmm." Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 13:08, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Just one last time. What's going on? I feel like an alien here. 👽 Harsh Rathod 14:12, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

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@Ad Orientem: I checked, and (unless you are personally responsible for telling me that the balance on my Dartford Crossing account is below £10) nothing :-/ Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 19:51, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Ok looks like the reply function isn't working. I sent it again using the email this user button. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:03, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Yup, that works. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:07, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

User MAXXII12 getting around his block

Hi Ritchie333, I'm pretty sure IP here [6] is the same person as MAXXII12. The use the same language as in the summary This text has been controversial and constantly removed/restore since it was first added as here [[7]]. Are you able to check? NZFC^(talk) 20:04, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Article semi-protected for a week. Why people can't do more article writing / rescue instead of edit-warring over trivial nonsense is beyond me. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:06, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Make an SPI report then. This is a baseless claim and as such is a borderline personal attack. 124.106.139.19 (talk) 07:47, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

User:Ritchie333/SPI considered harmful. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 08:14, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

That's an interesting read. To me it depends what the alleged sock is doing. However, is someone is socking in order to evade an editing block of course something should be done. I welcome an SPI report because I know that I'm not the blocked account and an SPI would prove that. 124.106.139.19 (talk) 08:52, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Well I don't really mind one way or the other if Ray Hefferman is mentioned in the lead; though when the dust has settled, somebody can wander onto WP:Lamest edit wars and crack a bad joke about "and though it all, she offers me protection". Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:43, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

A beer for you!

Thank you for providing your great service to Wikipedia and us. Sashank20 (talk) 07:05, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Allanah Harper

On 21 March 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Allanah Harper, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Allanah Harper was responsible for introducing W. H. Auden, T. S. Eliot, and Virginia Woolf to the French people? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Allanah Harper. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Allanah Harper), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Gatoclass (talk) 00:01, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Sarah Frey

I've reviewed the nomination and everything is all set :) Snuggums (talk / edits) 00:31, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Snuggs! How have you been since Lady Gaga got the gold star? Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 00:32, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Quite well, sir. I even was alluded to here because of that accomplishment! Been touching up and sometimes reviewing other pages, with that DYK being my most recent completion. Snuggums (talk / edits) 00:37, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Dr.Mahesh Kottapalli

Hi Ritchie333

May i know the reason to delete Dr.Mahesh Kottapalli page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dalvkot (talk • contribs) 02:26, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Hi there Dalvkot, the deletion rationale can be viewed here: Dr.Mahesh Kottapalli. While I cannot view the content, according to the log summary, it appears that the article showed "no indication of importance" and contained unambiguous advertising or promotion.

• "Multiple reasons: speedy deletion criteria A7, G11"

Hopefully this helps! If you have any questions, please feel free to ask. (talk page stalker) --TheSandDoctor ^Talk 05:44, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Simply being a doctor isn't really a high enough level of achievement to be documented in independent sources so anyone else could improve the article. The prose included sentences such as "The best part of my job is to see the joy in my patients eyes when i tell them they are cured. The thank you hug is the best payment i receive. It makes it all worthwhile and keeps me going." which isn't really the sort of plain, factual writing we expect in an encyclopedia. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 10:46, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

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Green Seeds

I... think looking around that it's more like a daycare. But... meh. Whatever works. GMG^talk 11:25, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Best rule of thumb I've found is "when in doubt, don't". It's not libellious, a copyvio or vandalism and won't damage the encyclopedia for the article to sit around for a bit. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:27, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

I don't have a strong opinion about it, just explaining my rationale that I looked far enough to find that they take children as young as six months. GMG^talk 11:34, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Oy, when you get a chance, mind cleaning up the first few revisions here. It's not much text, but its taken verbatim from here. Don't want to leave an even more confusing revdel-copyvio template there. Also, you know... deleting the redirect at Oceanis 37 once the user realizes where their article is (left a redirect on purpose for a few minutes to prevent accidental recreation). GMG^talk 13:01, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Done. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 13:24, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Laura Barney Harding

Please don't make me delete your article creations as well :-( Laura Barney Harding is not your creation, it is the creation of Elisa.rolle, and a lot (the vast majority) of the article text you posted is her work. Please make sure when you post an article that you attribute it correctly. Fram (talk) 17:36, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

I forgot to restore (and then RD1 redact) the history (eg: as per this) - fixed. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:38, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, I thought it had to be something like that. Fram (talk) 17:44, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

SharkSlayer87

Oh, great. I may have to wade through their WP:WALLOFTEXT next. Thanks. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:37, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Please post content to draft/my user space

Can you userfy my contributed material at Joseph Bishop for me? I did a lot of work on it (w rgd nothing from https://archivesspace.weber.edu/repositories/2/resources/12 rgd the 1984 incident at the MTC) namely an original phrase here, this reworked multiple times, then another original phrase there, with appended sourcing from the AP, DesNews/other Utah news sites. Where does "userfied" material get moved to, btw? In general space, maybe to e.g a "Draft:Joseph Bishop sexual abuse allegations" or something? Or maybe simply to an extension of my userspace eg my sandbox?..) Thanks!--Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 18:36, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

(Again, as can be seen in Joseph Bishop article history, dozens of my contributions are blanked. None of them came from Weber State at all. They were sourced to very current news pieces in the MSM.)--Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 18:49, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

Hodgdon's secret garden Unfortunately, because the changes also included a version with copyvios in, they had to be redacted. I can't restore copyvios anywhere - it's against policy and causes legal implications. However, I have gone through your edits, picked out prose and sources you contributed that are obviously not a copyvio, and put them back in the article. Can you check if there's anything I've missed? If it's easier, I can copy and paste the latest revisions of your edits in a draft instead. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 18:56, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

• Kudos. Very nice work!!--Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 19:07, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

Hodgdon's secret garden I've also put the edits as you made them in User:Hodgdon's secret garden/John Bishop sexual abuse allegations so you can easily get at them. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 19:12, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

• Request - Could you "publish" those diffs for me in a draft, then? The current version of the article is missing all sorts of details (e.g about the troubled missionary who ended up living with his family, the accusor's history of accusations elsewhere, and so forth) and it'd make it a wholeheckalot easier for me!--Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 19:42, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

Oops. Didnt see the above. Thanks!--Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 19:43, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

No problem. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 19:46, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

Good stuff

I won't jinx a good thing, but your RfA nominations are always top notch - thank you - TNT^❤ 21:50, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

I was coming here to say the same thing. --MelanieN (talk) 21:55, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. It’s good to see candidates coming forward after such a lull. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 07:47, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

Keith Richards nominated for GA

I just thought I would let you know that I have nominated the Keith Richards for GA. (Not intending to pressure you into reviewing it or anything like that, just letting you know as you have done the Mick Jagger and The Rolling Stones reviews). --All the best, TheSandDoctor ^Talk 02:41, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

@TheSandDoctor: I've been a bit busy over the last few days and not done as much article work as I'd have liked, but I had a quick look and my main concern is there are a few unsourced bits, and the "Guest appearances" section is a huge load of unsourced trivia. That'll need sorting before it passes GA. I do believe I've got a copy of Life sitting around somewhere which is a great read, though not the best for pulling out actual facts. Anyway, if nobody else takes it over the next few days, I will have a look. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 00:46, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

Regarding reconsideration of Deleted Page

Respected Sir Page you deleted (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suneel_Grover) was not Unambiguous advertising or promotion. This is of real person with truly outstanding benefit to the Govt Sector and Power Sector in Himachal Pradesh, India. Also I would like to mention this is not a self created page for any kind of promotion of advertising, this is about his contribution by me a Power and IT sector enthusiast on my own as a series of distinguishable personalities. So please give a though and re consider the deletion of this page. If you will found it self promotional or just an advertising page you can even delete it later if found guilty of your guidelines. Thanks a lot. I hope you will do right whatever decision you will make.

This Page is not self created, it is being created because of individual's Outstanding and distinguishable Service in Power Sector and vast experience. Suneel Grover is an notable Electrical Engineer working as Chief Engineer in Himachal Power Sector, India. He has been Chosen "Outstanding Engineering Personalities" by "Institutions of Engineers (India)" Twice and he is the "only personality" to be elected Outstanding Engineering Personalities Twice. Apart from that He is the Man behind modernization and computerization in Power Sector in Himachal Pradesh, India. He is also the Chairman of "Centre For Skill Development, Training & Engineering Consultancy, Shimla" which is an excelling institution for higher learning from the individuals of various fields. Apart from that he is the man behind the formation of two centers "Himachal Pradesh State Load Despatch Center" (HPSLDC) and "Himachal Pradesh Area Load Despatch Center" (HPALDC). Besides that, he attended two "Round table conferences" one in "Orlando USA" and another in "Vienna Austria" on the behalf of the State Govt. during 2011. He has also mentored 60 Student as a Project Guide for Technology Projects under various courses of "Associate Member of the Institution of Engineers" & "Indira Gandhi National Open University". He has also published a number of Research Papers.

Research Papers Published :

1. Application of AON Network Technique to Monitor Progress of Transmission works in H.P. Published in Institute of Engineers Journal, India.

2. Some Guide Lines for Management of Distribution Transformers in H.P. Published in Institute of Engineers Journal, India.

3. Transformers Quality Manufacture's Responsibility presented at International Conference on Transformers.

4. EHV Multi Circuit, Multi-voltage Transmission Lines-A Compelling necessity for evacuation system of Hydro Electric Projects. Presented at National Seminar on Hydro Power.

5. Presented paper titled “R&M of Hydro Electric Plant in Himalayas-An Immediate Need” at 20th IAHR symposium “Hydro, Technology & Environment for New Century, August 6-9, 2000 at Charlotte, North Carolina, USA.

6. Paper titled “Hydropower Development in Himalayas – Opportunities & Challenges with specific reference to Himachal Pradesh in India” published for “Hydro 2001” conference in Riva-del-Garda, Italy, in September, 2001.

7. Presented paper titled “Hydropower Development in Himalayas – A Road Map with specific reference to Himachal Pradesh in India” & attended the round the table meet in “Hydro Vision 2002” in USA.

Some of the Links fro your reference are :

https://www.ieindia.org/webui/IEI_Council_Members.aspx

http://csdeciei.org,

http://aipef.in/governing-body.php

http://www.dailypioneer.com/state-editions/chandigarh/suneel-grover-nominated-member--of-iei-national-council.html

http://www.cii.in/Digital_Library_Details.aspx?enc=pZVQM37jtSRTHIkmBsithf1/Lj96STwjtM3kX1xOJl4s9/LX1XYKGQVEN5ugS8ce

Himachal Pradesh State Load Despatch Center (HPSLDC) (http://www.hpsldc.com/)

Himachal Pradesh Area Load Despatch Center (HPALDC) (http://hpaldc.org)

suneelgroverhpsebl.blogspot.in

http://suneelgroverhpsebl.blogspot.in/p/profile.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Csdec (talk • contribs) 10:35, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

@Csdec: An article is deleted as "blatant advertising" because of the way it is written, not because of what is in it. Starting a response with "This is of real person with truly outstanding benefit" seems to back that up. For now, I have moved the article into draft space at Draft:Suneel Grover, please follow instructions there. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 10:56, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Lower Bell

On 25 March 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Lower Bell, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that people supposedly kept picking up a vanishing hitchhiker outside the Lower Bell pub in Kent? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Lower Bell. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Lower Bell), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Gatoclass (talk) 00:03, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

why

why you deleted cyborg cyclone page.It was official page and full with accurate information.Cyborg Cyclone is significant for many countries in the globe right now..why?