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I was sitting with a high steward, discussing Anglo-Saxon monks. The name we couldn't remember was Nennius. All the best: RichFarmbrough, 04:39, 22 April 2014 (UTC).
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Template talk:WikiProject Biography
Hi Redrose64, quick message. On Template talk:WikiProject Biography, I removed the category not because I had been lazy and just not fixed the issue, I just hadn't realised that it might have been there because someone had posted a link to it in the talk. I had assumed it was just a one-time problem with the actual template itself at the top of the talk page, and so I could fix that by removing the category. I used hot cat, so didn't actually see what I had deleted. I should have checked changes before pressing to save my edit. I apologise, I just wanted to clear any misunderstanding. Thanks, SamWilson989 (talk)
Sailing from Holyhead?
Where can you sail to by Stena Line? — Preceding unsigned comment added by IkbenFrank (talk • contribs) 20:08, 27 April 2015
Best wishes for your Christmas Is all you get from me 'Cause I ain't no Santa Claus Don't own no Christmas tree. But if wishes was health and money I'd fill your buck-skin poke Your doctor would go hungry An' you never would be broke. —C.M. Russell, Christmas greeting 1914. Montanabw(talk)
Hello Redrose64,
Early in A Child's Christmas in Wales the young Dylan and his friend Jim Prothero witness smoke pouring from Jim's home. After the conflagration has been extinguished Dylan writes that
Nobody could have had a noisier Christmas Eve. And when the firemen turned off the hose and were standing in the wet, smoky room, Jim's Aunt, Miss. Prothero, came downstairs and peered in at them. Jim and I waited, very quietly, to hear what she would say to them. She said the right thing, always. She looked at the three tall firemen in their shining helmets, standing among the smoke and cinders and dissolving snowballs, and she said, "Would you like anything to read?"
My thanks to you for your efforts to keep the 'pedia readable in case the firemen chose one of our articles :-) Best wishes to you and yours and happy editing in 2019. MarnetteD|Talk19:47, 19 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for this edit. Sorry, this was my first time closing a requested move. Next time (if there is a next time) I'll try to remember. Would you mind taking a minute to look at my close? I want to make sure I didn't mess anything else up... --DannyS712 (talk) 09:51, 22 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Visible anchor/doc revert
My edit to the documentation was based on Sandbox experiments and direct observation. Editing a section with a visible anchor in it produces a blank auto-filled edit summary, not a "broken" summary. There is no "gray" text in the summary, and there has never been "blue" text in the summary: The text in the "Edit summary" box is and always has been black. If you're talking about the article's history page, section information in summaries has always appeared in light gray text, regardless of whether the "Edit summary" box is auto-filled or manually filled. The auto-filled content of the box is optional in any case, and editors often replace it in toto before saving their changes. Moreover, Wikipedia is not generating HTML5. It appears to be an illegal mix of mostly XHTML and some HTML 4.0 Transitional, as is evident by a simple visual inspection of the source code of any page. If a Wikipedia page is submitted to the W3C Validator, it results in copious errors, since the content of the source does not match the DOCTYPE. Now that I've made you aware of this, how are you going to correct the misinformation on the Visible anchor/doc page? — Quicksilver (Hydrargyrum)T@19:20, 22 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Hydrargyrum: Any page on the web which uses <!doctype html> is an HTML 5 document. It may not be valid, but that is what it is. The majority of "invalid" HTML output on Wikipedia is a result of editors using obsolete elements and attributes or incorrect positioning of elements according to the HTML 5 layout rules (see also WP:Linter) rather than being due to the software itself (many documented exceptions exist as tasks to be worked in WP:Phabricator). Validation tools are not the be-all end-all, and the original author of that particular tool has since sworn off that tool somewhat. --Izno (talk) 20:55, 22 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Hydrargyrum: My revert is here. In my edit summary I linked to Special:Diff/874816157 which is your second edit to the sandbox. If you visit that diff, you will see at the top of the right-hand side, the following text:
The part between the opening parenthesis and the colon is grey, and it's a clickable link. Until a few weeks ago, only the arrow was clickable, but the link has always been there. If you click it, you are taken to the section heading. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:05, 22 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Redrose64, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2019. Happy editing, Whispyhistory (talk) 08:29, 25 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Redrose64, I wish you and your family a very Merry Christmas and a very Happy and Prosperous New Year, Thanks for all your help and thanks for all your contributions to the 'pedia,
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Is it possible to add Mexborough (Ferry Boat) Halt to this template,but I am unsure if it situated before or after Mexborough Junction in the river area shown on the template, from what information that I have gleaned from a reading of the Wikipedia article.
... gan yr hen Gymro; rwy'n gobeithio eich bod wedi cael gwyliau Nadolig gwych ac rwy'n dymuno 2019 heddychlon i chi! That is Welsh and translates to: Spicy hot wine for you from the old Welshman; I hope you have had a great Christmas holiday and I wish you a peaceful 2019! Thank you for your excellent work on the 'pedia.
Replying to your question in a recent edit summary
Hello Redrose64, thank you for your recent efforts to improve Wikipedia.[1] While the rhetorical question you asked in the edit summary doesn't exactly invite a reply, I wouldn't be true to myself, after seeing it, If I didn't stand tall in your presence to proudly acknowledge the same, and ask you directly if there was anything about that edit that you wanted to discuss? I am willing to account for my actions to any needed degree, and as willing to directly move on; depending on whichever you think is best. I'm not, however, keen with pretending that I don't care when I most certainly do. With esteem, I remain.--John Cline (talk) 22:04, 5 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
We have templates like {{tlc}} and {{tlxs}} to simplify how markup is demonstrated, so there should not be a need to re-complicate it with the <code>...</code> and <nowiki>...</nowiki> tags. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 14:14, 6 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I understand, and primarily agree. I've never reviewed an edit appended by you where there wasn't something that I learned and I thank you for that. At times that process of learning involves reinforcing things that I'd already learned but allowed to fall in disrepair from laziness and a lack of proper focus. In this case I had forgotten that keeping things straight forward and less complex is always the better approach and would have done well to have stayed that course. Chances are good that I'm less inclined now of forgetting again any time soon. Best regards.--John Cline (talk) 21:53, 6 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Double chimney link on 4767 article
There is no page in existance for the highlighting of the word double chimney so what is the point of the link as it makes absolutely no sense unless your willing to create an article for it since you clearly claim to know more. XD Either remove the link or create a page for it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moylesy98 (talk • contribs) 22:12, 12 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I'm aware that Llansadwrn is not in Ynys Mon, but despite its filename the audio just consists of someone saying "Llansadwrn", which ought to work both for Anglesey Llansadwrn and Carmarthenshire Llansadwrn. I realise there are differences in accent between North and South, but as these two places have the same name should the title of the audio file really be a barrier to including it in this article? Or am I missing something important here? Beorhtwulf (talk) 22:36, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It just seems strange to mention a place at the other end of the country that just happens to share a name. In England, there are a number of places with identically-spelt but differently-pronounced names - such as Gillingham, Dorset and Gillingham, Kent. I expect that there are also examples in Wales. If the pronounciation is basically the same, was it not possible to name the file File:Llansadwrn.ogg? --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 00:12, 16 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
When you have a moment
Hello R. Sorry about the error. I hope that you are well. When you have the time would you take a look at our old friend Category:Wikipedia pages with incorrect protection templates. One of the items is fully protected so I can't fix it and I'm not sure about about the talk pages. I haven't been monitoring the cat as much as in the past and have forgotten some of the pointers you've given me over the years. My apologies. Best regards. MarnetteD|Talk15:48, 22 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
You could do it the old-fashioned way and figure out which of those articles is protected, then wrap the protection template in noinclude tags. It's probably not a bad idea for them to be wrapped in those tags by default. Not meaning to be disrespectful, but what exactly is the point of patrolling that category? Isn't there a bot that resolves most of them? And the templates' display depends on the protection level anyway so {{pp-semi}} (for example) won't show on an unprotected page, and will show a gold lock on a fully protected page etc. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts?17:51, 23 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks R. There was a different portal (I forget which one) doing the same thing a few months ago but it finally stopped. Hopefully Evad37 can figure this one out. Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk17:52, 23 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
HJM. A bot gets most of them but does miss some. Occasionally the bot goes on the fritz and our patrolling of the cat allows use to alert the bot operator that something has gone awry. Checking also allows us to fix transclusion snafus on AFD's and such. MarnetteD|Talk17:55, 23 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@HJ Mitchell: I certainly would use the <noinclude>...</noinclude> technique if I could work out which article it is. These are the articles that are transcluded:
I used Popups to check the histories for recent protections (still not entirely convinced it's a good use of editor time and that's five minutes of my life I won't get back, but I did volunteer myself) and the only one I spotted was Captaincy General of Santo Domingo, but adding the protection template to that article (in noinclude tags) doesn't seem to have solved the problem. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts?19:39, 23 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@MarnetteD and HJ Mitchell: The excerpt slideshow templates have |random=no and |limit= parameters, which can be used for diagnostics. Playing around with these in preview mode, I found the problem was in article #11, La Trinitaria (Dominican Republic), which had the protection template within heading markup from this edit [2]. This meant that the excerpt functionality (from Module:Excerpt) got confused, and didn't remove the protection template like it usually would. Fixing the article, and then null-editing the portal, has removed the portal from the category. - Evad37[talk]23:34, 23 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
How am I meant to know the RFC bot was going to add it all at a later date? .... I waited a good 2 minutes or so and It did nothing .... so I was therefore under the impression it wasn't going to actually to do anything otherwise I would've obviously waited, Damned If I do and damned if I don't. –Davey2010Talk00:40, 23 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Hope you are well. I wanted to message you to ask why you reverted the Dundee railway station Wikipedia page and placed the former station picture on the infobox?
I don't know if you are from Dundee but there is a new station built and there was updated information I added and I also took a photograph which was then taken down due to copyright even though I captured it because I am a photographer from Dundee.
Hi Redrose, My apologise I hadn't realised you were reverted otherwise I would've reverted them, I had only just woken up and usually when I've just woken up I never pay any attention to edit summaries but anyway sorry about that, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk14:07, 27 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Davey2010: I have no problem with you making date formats consistent. What I do have a problem with is people like Chris0512 (talk·contribs) updating the |date= parameters of cleanup and maintenance templates for no good reason. For example, amending the date of a {{use dmy dates}} implies that they have actually been through the article (as you did) and made any necessary amendments in order to bring about consistency. But their edits to the |date= params have not been accompanied by any such amendments. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 14:24, 27 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I vaguely recall another editor changing the dates and yet not actually doing anything, I don't quiet understand why anyone would...,
I just didn't you thinking I've done it to (excuse the language) be a dick... as I said I hadn't even realised they changed these otherwise I would've reverted,
I'm sensing an AIV report will be done by Monday!, I'll keep an eye out anyway,
@John Cline: Basically, it's not a good idea to use braces (curly brackets) in section headings, and templates are particularly bad in this respect. If you need to name the template, either do so as a normal wikilink [[Template:Ambox]] or put the {{tlc|Ambox}} on a separate line after the heading. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:54, 28 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Rhadow created the Sonasan railway station article, then nominated it for deletion seven minutes later. It was tagged as G7. I deleted it as G7/WP:POINT. Rhadow has recreated it again, and it has been tagged again. This is part of the notability of stations discussion at WT:TWP, which you are probably aware of. As I see it, an essay cannot trump policy, which is why station articles need to demonstrate that GNG is met. Would it be in order for me to delete the article and salt it, as has been suggested to me, or am I now WP:INVOLVED? Mjroots (talk) 13:46, 3 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Redrose. Lots of folks announce themselves as summoned by bot. I agree that it is usually not relevant, but sometimes it is, so I do it by habit. I'm sure you mean the best, if you think it's not a good thing, feel free to talk to me about it -- I've never heard another side to it -- rather than edit my comments for me. Cheers. Chris vLS (talk) 05:07, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Redrose64, I received your message about using templates recognized by CluebotIII at wp:an/c, and understand. I actually knew of this already and would have meant to append things correctly; that I did not is one of those inexplicable things that happen, at times, in spite of our best intent. I'll redouble my efforts to ensure future compliance.
Aside that, I noticed the substitution of {{Happy New Year fireworks}}, further up the page, and observed that it breaks when text is enlarged (in mitigation of visual impairments). I view pages at %170 of the default size; in that situation, its output is thoroughly corrupted. I worked up a tentative fix but would like to see how you would modify the coding (for instructive comparison). If you have the motivation, and time, I'd love to see what changes your experience would bring. Thank you.--John Cline (talk) 18:01, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Yes Redrose64, thank you. Regarding the template, a self evaluation would be best by enlarging your own view using ctrl-shft-+ while the screenshot shows the page as I see it.--John Cline (talk) 03:06, 5 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@John Cline: I have previously noticed that a number of these greetings templates contain poor markup - such as misnesting, elements left unclosed or closed in the wrong order, and I thought at first that what we had here was probably a mis-closed <div> tag. Instead, it seems that we have another kind of sloppiness - making assumptions about the characteristics of another user's setup (device, monitor, browser etc.). The box with a round-cornered border has been drawn to the same height as the images inside it, without allowing for the fact that the text that is also inside the box may be too much to fit in. Consequently, at high zooms and on narrow screens, some of it spills out. This edit should fix it for that one specific instance. Since it's a substituted template, a similar fix to the template itself may be done, but will only affect future uses - it won't fix the hundreds (if not thousands) of times that the template has been used in the past. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 11:40, 5 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Valetude: The pipe character is a vertical line like this → | ← we use it in wikilinks when we want the displayed link to differ from the name of the page that we are linking to, as in [[British Rail|British Railways]] which produces British Railways, see Help:Link#Piped link. But that can be cumbersome, and a means for simplifying links exists, the redirect: basically, a redirect is a way of giving a page another name - if you link to that other name, and click the link, you are taken directly to the "real" page. This allows us to write [[British Railways]] which produces British Railways, see Help:Redirect. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:26, 5 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Good deal R. I now understand that my removing the letters pp was not enough. I'm just not used to seeing that extended versions of a protected template. Many thanks. MarnetteD|Talk21:28, 6 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Category question
Is there a way of changing the way that a category's name displays on a page, whilst still linking to the actual category? Similar to how a piped link works. Mjroots (talk) 18:33, 7 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Andy Dingley - No, I meant what I asked. Looks like we'll need add some code in somewhere then, something like |display as= so that a category's display can be changed if desired. Mjroots (talk) 21:35, 7 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, so still at the bottom in the normal cat bar? On MediaWiki generally this is easy (it's accessible through the skinning, and I recall there are already extensions that do it). The one time I've done it, I had regexes matching category names and then colour coding them based on embedded prefixes (this made sense for that business, as the categories were already based on product names). For WP though, I think it's unlikely to ever happen. Andy Dingley (talk) 21:51, 7 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Colour coding is one thing but changing the text of the link is another. Consider the page title displayed at the top: we allow this to be altered in some ways, such as italicisation for the names of books like Moby-Dick, but we don't allow different characters to be displayed. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:00, 7 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Suzannah Lipscomb
Suzannah Lipscomb
I wonder why you changed the order of the subject's last book listed under Bibliography. The book I refer to is Witchcraft, it is ordered differently to the previous books, and as she has a new book coming out on 14th February it would be useful to understand why, and also why, if you changed the order of this book, you didn't do the same with her previous books?
@Fitzwimarc: Do you mean this edit? It adds more information, and presents it in an order that is consistent with many other Wikipedia pages - and incidentally in the same order as the entry for Henry VIII and the court : art, politics and performance two rows above.
Apart from that, when adding references please do not use the link of a Google search query, use the URL of the actual page that provides the information. Similarly, do not use the URL for a website's home page, the content of which will change frequently - again, use the URL of the actual page within the website that provides the information. This is all in accordance with our policies on verifiability and biographies of living persons. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 14:23, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Survey regarding the community guidelines for my master thesis
Hello Redrose64,
I see that you revert my User Talk page edits with the unauthorized survey comment. Therefore, I wondered whom's authorization I would need to ask users to participate in my survey. I already asked the admin noticeboard as well as the help desk if my approach would be ok.
For my posts on the user pages I oriented myself at the sample text provided by Wikipedia.
Apologies, but we have had trouble in the past from people with few (or no) prior Wikipedia edits who then send out requests to participate in a survey of some sort, falsely claiming that they have the authority or backing of the Wikimedia Foundation (or similar organisation). So when going through my watchlist and see that various user talk pages have each received near-identical posts concerning a survey, I get concerned.
Ah okay. Yes I get that issue, that's why I approached the community before I started contacting people. I'm glad we could resolve the issue. I will follow your advice with including the links, thank you. --Rwinterm (talk) 18:15, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
You removed my comment on the notability talk page "I have proposed CYM Group for deletion but I am hoping for some input in the discussion as to whether achieving a Guinness World Record and some press attention is sufficient to give notability to this otherwise non-notable student club. Alternatively, the article could be redirected or merged." I wanted to establish what the consensus was about this. Did I put the query in the wrong place? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 15:16, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
When do I use |done=yes exactly? When the RfC peters out? I thought it was just for when I use {{Done}}. (I have no intention of completing the request)
Does using {{Already done}} work the same as {{Done}} from a bot standpoint? (My initial instinct was no, but then it's a template listed in the edit notice, so I self-reverted.)
Why are none of Cluebot's procedures written down exactly?
Wait, does saying {{Not Done}} mean anything besides that I personally am not able to do it after I indicated I could?
@MattLongCT: Normally, the {{initiated}} template displays its message in colour (blue, green or boldfaced red according to the supplied date and the |type= parameter) in order to draw the attention of humans to those threads that still require attention; such instances of the template will also put the page into Category:Administrative backlog. When no further action is required on this request, we add |done=yes as a signal to the {{initiated}} template that it should display using normal-weight black instead of a colour; it also prevents that instance of the template from putting the page into Category:Administrative backlog (of course, there is a high probability that other threads are still unfinished, so the page will still end up in Category:Administrative backlog - but because of other {{initiated}}, not because of the one in this thread). Basically, it's used not just when {{Done}} is added, but whenever you add any of the templates that will be detected by ClueBot III (talk·contribs). These templates are listed (in abbreviated form) in the |archivenow= parameter of the {{User:ClueBot III/ArchiveThis}} in the first section of the page (please note, the list is case-sensitive, which is why both {{done and {{Done are present). Since {{Already done}} and {{Not done}} are both in that list, use of those templates means that the thread is to be archived on the next ClueBot III run; and so {{Not done}} means "this is not going to be done by anybody, so we are rejecting this request".
The workings of ClueBot III are known to Cobi (talk·contribs), perhaps others. I'm having difficulty determining all of its methods, I can only describe my conclusions based on observations made over some years. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 00:25, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Redrose64, I have a question to these regards. Wouldn't using {{subst:Not done}} with an optional message and ~~~~ allow the markup and signed message to post without signaling ClueBot III to initiate the archiving process? If so, and it seems that it should, substituting would make for an expedient work around IMO. Thank you.--John Cline (talk) 04:46, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, it would defeat ClueBot III. But why would you want to use that anyway? Whether you use {{Not done}} or {{subst:Not done}}, it's a signal to everybody that the request is not going to be actioned and can therefore be moved to the archive. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 14:58, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
RfC closure
Hey. I saw this edit you made, where you marked that an rfc had been closed. If you look at the previous edit to the page, you see that Matt did not in fact close the discussion, but nor did they say it shouldn't be closed; rather, they said it should be closed by someone else, meaning that it was not yet done. I would just undo your edit and leave an explanation, but the thread has since been archived, and I know that ClueBot III does some fancy stuff when it archives, so I don't know what to do - the RfC still needs to be closed. Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 00:15, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Redrose64: Thanks for the explanation, but my primary question still stands - how can I unarchive it (and then remove the offending archive template) without messing up the fancy stuff ClueBot III does? --DannyS712 (talk) 00:36, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I unarchived it by restoring the thread to the main page and removing it from the archive page. I also removed the {{Not done}} so that ClueBot III won't re-archive it again. Its indexes are probably all screwed up now, I have no idea how to fix them. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 00:45, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Cascading efn < ref(n) < sfn
I think you know something about it, or at least know where to ask.
It's all about cascading ref and efn.
I don't know anything about these. I don't know even the different between #tag and {{tag}}.
There are a couple of problems I've come across. Can you help me:
AMD Ryzen 1000 Series {{notelist|refs= {{efn|name="kib"|AMD defines 1 kilobyte (KB) as 1024 bytes, and 1 megabyte (MB) as 1024 kilobytes.<ref name="AMD_programming_guide">{{cite web|title=Processor Programming Reference (PPR) for AMD Family 17h Model 01h, Revision B1 Processors|url=https://support.amd.com/TechDocs/54945_PPR_Family_17h_Models_00h-0Fh.pdf|website=Processor Programming Reference (PPR) for AMD Family 17h Model 01h, Revision B1 Processors|publisher=AMD|accessdate=14 July 2017}}</ref>}} {{efn|name="pcie"|PCIe lane count includes 4 lanes used for connectivity to the chipset.<ref>{{cite news|last1=Hagedoorn|first1=Hilbert|title=AMD Ryzen 5 1500X and 1600X review – The AMD Chipsets|url=https://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/amd-ryzen-5-1500x-and-1600x-review,4.html|accessdate=4 August 2017|publisher=Guru3D|date=11 April 2017}}</ref>}} {{efn|name="pro"|Model also available as Pro variant for [[Original equipment manufacturer|OEMs]], which may offer additional features not listed in this table. Pro models were released by AMD on {{dts|2017|June|29|nowrap=off}}.<ref>{{cite news|last1=Shilov|first1=Anton|title=AMD Launches Ryzen PRO CPUs|url=http://www.anandtech.com/show/11591/amd-launches-ryzen-pro-cpus-enhanced-security-longer-warranty-better-quality|accessdate=29 June 2017|publisher=Anandtech|date=29 June 2017}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|title=AMD Ryzen™ PRO Processors|url=https://www.amd.com/en/ryzen-pro|website=AMD}}</ref>}} }}^ a b AMD defines 1 kilobyte (KB) as 1024 bytes, and 1 megabyte (MB) as 1024 kilobytes.[35] ^a b PCIe lane count includes 4 lanes used for connectivity to the chipset.[36] ^a b c d e f Model also available as Pro variant for OEMs, which may offer additional features not listed in this table. Pro models were released by AMD on June 29, 2017.[37][38]
Cite error: A list-defined reference has no name (see the help page). Cite error: A list-defined reference has no name (see the help page).{{template reference list}} maybe nothing to do with it. NB this is a template.
Bombing of Stuttgart in World War II
a ==Notes== <br />{{reflist|group=lower-alpha|refs= {{efn|name=19October1944|19 October 1944 was the first double attack on Stuttgart.{{sfn|Schutzbauten Stuttgart, Luftangriffe}}}} {{efn|name=29January1945|The raids of 28–29 January 1945 were the final large-scale RAF attack on Stuttgart.{{sfn|Bomber Command Campaign Diary, January 1945|loc=28/29 January 1945}} }}a ^ Jörg Friedrich specifies in The Fire that 4,477 of those citizens were residents of the city of Stuttgart.[51] b ^ 5 May 1942 was the first large-scale air raid launched against Stuttgart.[16] c ^ This was the United States Army Air Force's first day-time attack on Stuttgart.[24] d ^ a b c 19 October 1944 was the first double attack on Stuttgart.[24] e ^ a b The raids of 28–29 January 1945 were the final large-scale RAF attack on Stuttgart.[3]Cite error: A list-defined reference named "FOOTNOTEBomber Command Campaign Diary, January 194528/29 January 1945" is not used in the content (see the help page).
b if I swap the last two, the Cite error changes, which means (to me) that the problem is outside the {{efn / sfn}} ==Notes== <br />{{reflist|group=lower-alpha|refs= {{efn|name=19October1944|19 October 1944 was the first double attack on Stuttgart.{{sfn|Schutzbauten Stuttgart, Luftangriffe}}}} {{efn|name=29January1945|The raids of 28–29 January 1945 were the final large-scale RAF attack on Stuttgart.{{sfn|Bomber Command Campaign Diary, January 1945|loc=28/29 January 1945}} }}a ^ Jörg Friedrich specifies in The Fire that 4,477 of those citizens were residents of the city of Stuttgart.[51] b ^ 5 May 1942 was the first large-scale air raid launched against Stuttgart.[16] c ^ This was the United States Army Air Force's first day-time attack on Stuttgart.[24] d ^ a b The raids of 28–29 January 1945 were the final large-scale RAF attack on Stuttgart.[3] e ^ a b c 19 October 1944 was the first double attack on Stuttgart.[24] Cite error: A list-defined reference named "FOOTNOTESchutzbauten Stuttgart, Luftangriffe" is not used in the content (see the help page).
With all the <nowiki>...</nowiki> it's difficult to work out which are code examples and which are demonstrations of a problem. I get the impression that you are trying to nest two or three templates, and having difficulty. Normally a {{sfn}} may be placed within a {{efn}} without difficulty, but neither of these may be placed inside <ref>...</ref> tags.
When you use the |refs= parameter inside either {{notelist}} or {{reflist}}, this is WP:LDR, and it is known that problems occur if you try to nest a {{sfn}} or <ref>...</ref> inside an {{efn}} which is itself within a LDR structure. There have been discussion threads on this, in the last two or three years, and it wasn't satisfactorily resolved in a manner that allowed full use of LDR. Just use plain {{notelist}} and {{reflist}} without parameters, and put all the {{efn}} in the main part of the article, and similarly the {{sfn}} or <ref>...</ref>. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 12:06, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Mjroots:Done, it shows as uncollapsed at Template:Réseau Albert RDT but will be collapsed when transcluded, unless the parameter |collapse=no is provided. The article is certainly better than Start-class, but I don't have time for a WP:BCLASS assessment, so I've given it C-class. The MILHIST banner has busted this back down to Start because WP:MHA#CRIT says that for C-class, "the article meets B1 or B2 as well as B3 and B4 and B5 of the B-Class criteria" and I didn't fill in the checklist. In other words, a MILHIST C-class is the same as everybody else's B-class except that either B1 or B2 is not met, and they don't care about B6. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 17:29, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Timestamps, RfC's, and Legobot
Re your edit [3], I thought that when a new topic area was added to an RfC tag after the bot had already initially processed the tag, that I needed to place a comment/timestamp before the initial timestamp in opening RfC statement in order to get the bot to process the newly added topic area. Is this not correct? Will Legobot see the change anyway even without a new timestamp? Sparkie82 (t•c)05:21, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Sparkie82: Legobot is somewhat peculiar when it comes to RfCs. I've been observing its behaviour for about four years now, and have worked out what it does in various circumstances. Legobot runs frequently, but has a number of different tasks; for RfCs, it's essentially once an hour. As far as I can tell, during each RfC run, Legobot checks all open RfCs. A full description of what it does is lengthy, I won't bother to do that. The main points are:
If you add another RfC category - in this case |bio - to an {{rfc}} tag that has at least one category already, Legobot will add the RfC to the appropriate listing page - in this case WP:RFC/BIO - on its next run
If you alter anything between the {{rfc}} tag and the first timestamp, or alter that timestamp, Legobot will amend the RfC listing pages will be amended to match on its next run
Hi...What was the name of that railway station that was never built...in Kent? Would it be in the book by Raymond Butt? Would the book have anything on Victoria station and platform 17? I notice that the article on Victoria station doesn't mention anything about it. Whispyhistory (talk) 05:48, 28 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, that's the station that I mentioned a few months ago; I first heard about it here but at that time, Lamberhurst (talk·contribs) hadn't yet started the article. It's not mentioned in Butt because it never opened. Butt does not describe alterations to a station (such as the opening or closing of individual platforms). For Victoria, Butt shows:
The first and third the three stations are the two halves of the main-line station - these are treated as two separate stations because that's how they were built and administered until the start of 1923, and the second is the Underground station. Although just over 100 years separated the opening of the District line platforms and the Victoria line platforms (March 1969), the Victoria line isn't mentioned because its platforms shared a ticket hall with the District, which makes them the same station. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 12:39, 28 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Part of the reasons the platform numbering at Victoria is inconsistent over the years is that the practice of earmarking one or two platforms as an international terminal was regularly introduced and abandoned, owing to the fluctuating popularity of boat trains and the shifting abilities of the creaking infrastructure at Dover Western Docks, Folkestone and Newhaven Marine to process paperwork. Victoria is a nightmare to write about as there were so many different companies involved in operating it and they all had different archiving systems, plus while there are a lot of writers who specialise in the history of the Southern Railway and its predecessors as well as the feverishly active Southern Railway Group and their regular magazines, the Kent lines tend not to get much attention as it was always the London–Brighton and London–Portsmouth lines that were strategically and commercially significant and consequently got the fancy buildings and the shiny new locomotives. (Although Kent is nearest to the continent, during the railway age London, Harwich and Southampton were the major ports and Dover/Folkestone were something of a backwater as they weren't convenient for onward shipping of goods. Dover in particular had (and has) very poor freight facilities, owing to the docks being in a confined and unexpandable area at the foot of the cliff.) ‑ Iridescent19:51, 28 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Iridescent:...had a look earlier today... I can sort of see the different areas of the station. Would the platform numbers have changed? Is platform 17 in 1939 the same as platform 17 today? The Imperial Airways building (now the National Audit Office) would be at its end. Interesting. Thanks. Whispyhistory (talk) 14:03, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The platform numbering has changed, I don't know how often. Present-day platforms 1 to 8 are the "Chatham side", the former LC&D station; platforms 9 to 19 are the "Brighton side", the former LB&SC station. At the start of 1923, the LB&SC and LC&D amalgamated with other railways to create the Southern Railway, and the two stations became one. Despite that amalgamation, there is still a wall in between platforms 8 and 9 with these archways - the rightmost arch was created in 1924, soon after amalgamation; the left and middle arches are comparatively recent, dating from the 1990s. The two sides of the station are of differing architectural styles, and Platforms 2 to 7 have their buffer stops closer to the street than the other platforms. This plan shows that at one time the two sides each had a separate series of numbers, with platform numbers 2, 3, 4 and 5 being duplicated. Interestingly, the Chatham side (headed "L C & D Ry) seems to have numbered the tracks rather than the platforms: numbers 1, 6 and 8 seem to correspond with tracks that have no platform, but on the Brighton side (headed "L B & S C Ry) there are unnumbered tracks without platforms, for example between platforms 2 & 3. You may find more info in these books: Southern Main Lines: Victoria to East Croydon, Southern Main Lines: Victoria to Bromley South, London Suburban Railways: South London Line, all of which have photos taken at different periods along with contemporary maps. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 18:36, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. A wealth of knowledge...just to think how many times I have walked through without noticing. I hope someone can integrate some of that into the history of the station. I think the current platform 17 is likely the same Imperial's private platform that took passengers to Southampton and the flying boats, therefore bypassing flights from Croydon. Whispyhistory (talk) 09:26, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure about Victoria—aside from Droxford which is something of a unique case, I haven't paid much attention to the Southern—but in general at the big London termini the private platforms were tucked away in physically separate structures to stop other people wandering in. The Necropolis terminal at Waterloo is probably the most obvious example, but there are instances right up to the present day such as the Eurostar terminal at Waterloo. Ritchie333 might still have the sources lying around. If you really want to go down the rabbit hole with regards to London railway stations, the London Railway Record has been running for long enough that by now it's at some point or other published an article on just about everything, but the back issues can be quite hard to find—it's so niche that no library other than that of the London Transport Museum is likely to keep it. ‑ Iridescent17:56, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Train IP editor
Hi there. Sorry to bother you but if you had a moment could you please have a look / keep a bit of an eye on this editor? They are only editing train articles but with some apparently bizarre/random effects – everything they've done so far has been reverted by me or others. It's not obvious vandalism but it's not really working out either. I don't want to be bitey at them and I don't know enough about trains to know if there is some sense in what they are doing like, I don't know, class numbers that are used in different ways or something. But you might know that stuff! So a quick look would be much appreciated. With thanks and best wishes DBaK (talk) 22:57, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Thank you --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:17, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
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There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. --Cards84664 (talk) 18:55, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
