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Despite having unclean hands, he has complained for AE against newcomers like ZORDANLIGHTER and me (Khabboos) here. |
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Khabboos
Khabboos is banned from the topic of Islam as related to India, Pakistan and Afghanistan. Sandstein 05:42, 26 March 2014 (UTC) |
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The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it. |
This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Khabboos
Discussion concerning KhabboosKhabboos, can you please stop pinging me every time you post here, the page is on my watchlist. Darkness Shines (talk) 13:46, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
Statement by KhabboosAnswers to points 1 to 3: I copied the references cited at Forced conversion#Early and used them to show that Islam spread in present day Pakistan and the Punjab region by forced conversions. The references cited do show that conversions happened against the will of the people (in fact, the BBC article's title itself is, "Intolerant ruler: Aurangzeb" and it mentions the ways in which Aurangzeb was intolerant). Now wikipedia has a policy that we should paraphrase sentences and not use the original sentences, so the best way was to use the term, "forced conversions" to summarise the references. In fact you admins should ban Darkness Shines for reverting my edit [5] (I haven't reverted/edit warred with him on it)!
Note to admins: I'm logging out now, but please allow me to reply to any fresh allegation/s before acting on it. I have neither repeated any mistake after the last AE nor have I edit warred with anyone, so please think before you act! Thank you.—Khabboos (talk) 19:07, 24 March 2014 (UTC) Statement by SmsarmadThere is more to his source falsification that was ignored in the last AE request:
-- SMS Talk 17:29, 24 March 2014 (UTC) Statement by Toddy1I think the problem is the Khabboos cannot be bothered to read the sources he/she cites. Let's take his/her last attempted addition to the article on Hinduism in Pakistan.[21] He/she is claiming that parts of Pakistan "became predominantly Muslim during the rule of Delhi Sultanate and later Mughal Empire due to forced conversions." He/she provided 4 citations.
Khabboos appears to obtain his/her citations by either copying them from other Wikipedia articles, or through search engines. But in general, it does not appear that he/she bothers to read them, which is why we have had so many problems over the past month with him/her posting citations that do not back the claims he makes for them. See Talk:Hinduism in Pakistan# Hinduism in Pakistan#Persecution, Talk:Persecution of Hindus#Request for comments and Talk:Persecution of Hindus#Revert, why for other similar problems. I am sure that Khabboos is 100% well-meaning and probably has no idea why people disagree with him/her. He/she probably cannot be bothered to read and understand our objections.--Toddy1 (talk) 20:20, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
Result concerning KhabboosThis section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above. Based only on diff 1, the request has merit. The cited sources speak of intolerant Muslim rulers, but nothing about the area becoming majority Muslim, or forced conversions. This is clear source misrepresentation. I recommend a ban from the topic of Islam in India and Pakistan. Sandstein 17:05, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
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Gaijin42
Not an arbitration enforcement request. Sandstein 17:04, 25 March 2014 (UTC) |
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The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it. |
This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning i/User:Gaijin42
To remove access to (i) CheckUser and Oversight tools
12:15, 25 March 2014 (diff | hist) . . (-192) . . m Super-team (Reverted 2 edits by Gaijin42 (talk) to last revision by Stmullin. (TW)) 12:00, 25 March 2014 (diff | hist) . . (+18) . . Super-team (→Stages of team development) 11:58, 25 March 2014 (diff | hist) . . (+1,615) . . Super-team (Undid revision 601206685 by Gaijin42 (talk))
I am being hounded by a cowboy and it needs to stop now. The article is correctly cited and his aggression is completly out of line
12:23, 25 March 2014 (diff | hist) . . (+87) . . User talk:Stmullin (→March 2014) (current) Discussion concerning Gaijin42Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by Gaijin42Statement by (username)Result concerning Gaijin42This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above. Speedily closed. This is not an arbitration enforcement request, as it cites no decision to be enforced, and I don't see any arbitration decision that could apply to Super-team. See generally WP:DR for further options. Sandstein 17:04, 25 March 2014 (UTC) |
ZORDANLIGHTER
This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.
Requests may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator.
Request concerning ZORDANLIGHTER
- User who is submitting this request for enforcement
- Darkness Shines (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 20:27, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
- User against whom enforcement is requested
- ZORDANLIGHTER (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Sanction or remedy to be enforced
- Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/India-Pakistan :
- Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
- 26 March 2014 Files a spurious SPI against myself, pure battleground mentality.
- 26 March 2014 Calls me "useless" and an "ISI agent" These are obvious personal attacks.
- 26 March 2014 Insertion of a blatant BLP violation, this unsourced "and cooking up lies and rumors" and the cited part "herself is found to be biased" is not even in the source used, the source actually says "Setalvad is alleged to have included charges that were retracted later by the witnesses." And that is all it says regarding this BLP. This is source misrepresentation to smear a BLP.
- Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)
- Warned on 26 March 2014 by Darkness Shines (talk · contribs)
- Additional comments by editor filing complaint
The fact that these edits came just after having being notified of discretionary sanctions shows, to me at least, a battlefield approach to editing in what is a highly contentious topic, notably the events which occurred in Gujarat in 02. Most telling were the edits which gave me cause to issue the notification. Restoration, twice, of the main article on the incidents to a version from over a year ago, which also contained BLPPRIMARY violations, and in doing so removed up to a hundred (wild guess there, I am not about to count them) academic sources which discuss the issue. This removal was a terrible breach of NPOV.
- Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested
- Notified
Discussion concerning ZORDANLIGHTER
Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator.
Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks.
Statement by ZORDANLIGHTER
Statement by Khabboos
Zordanlighter has not been warned by an admin earlier and may not yet understand the rules here. I think he must first be warned not to indulge in Original Research and that he should cite references that contain the same words as the sentence he uses on wikipedia.—Khabboos (talk) 22:44, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
Statement by (username)
Result concerning ZORDANLIGHTER
This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above.
- Calling someone an intelligence agent in an attempt to discredit them is either simple trolling or an indication of a clear disregard for wikipdia's standards for behaviour. ZORDANLIGHTER is a relatively new account that has already been blocked for disruptive editing (only in the last week) and whose conduct has degenerated since being notified of discretionary sanctions.
Opening an SPI by linking 12 completely unrelated accounts without evidence and with the comment "Just 5% chance. 95% chance of myself being wrong" indicates that this person is either naive or trolling - but this is not within the remit of AE.
In terms of the RFAR this edit[26] gives me reason to consider that ZORDANLIGHTER is indeed just being disruptive because they've added[27] and removed this material within 1 minute. What worries me most is that this issue seems to be an escalation of issues on Total Siyapaa and rather than heeding the AC/DS warning ZORDANLIGHTER's behaviour has gotten worse.
I'd be inclined to issue a final warning in this case regarding edits to pages relating to the area conflict covered by this RFAR and separately issue a standard sysop warning regarding conduct toward other users. However, I am open-minded if other sysops see ZORDANLIGHTER's actions as warranting harsher sanction--Cailil talk 22:28, 26 March 2014 (UTC) - The situation that led to the block of ZORDANLIGHTER on 17 March (for removing others' comments) is explained in more detail on this version of his talk page. Since the DS warning was only just given on 26 March there has not been enough time for Z. to do much that is worthy of sanction. ZORDANLIGHTER's comments which can be seen on Talk:Total Siyapaa do not inspire confidence, but all but one of these comments were *before* the DS warning. Unless Z. decides to completely change his approach in the near future those who are expecting the worst probably won't need to wait long. In other words, closing this with just a warning should be sufficient. EdJohnston (talk) 03:33, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
AcidSnow
This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.
Requests may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator.
Request concerning AcidSnow
- User who is submitting this request for enforcement
- Khabboos (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 09:18, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
- User against whom enforcement is requested
- AcidSnow (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Sanction or remedy to be enforced
- Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/India-Pakistan :
- Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
- Here,[28] he reverted my edit which provided proper citations about the Nowshera Mob attack and arson in Islamabad added to the Anti-Hinduism article. The references cited say the same thing as the sentence added to the wiki article.
- Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)
- Warned on [29] by admin ErikHaugen (talk · contribs)}}
- Warned on [30] by admin DangerousPanda (talk · contribs)
- Warned on [31]
- Warned on [32]
- Warned on [33] by Smsarmad (talk · contribs)
- Additional comments by editor filing complaint
Some editors wrote that the Nowshera Mob attack and arson in Islamabad cannot be added to the Persecution of Hindus article because the word, "persecution" was not mentioned in the references cited at the Talk:Persecution of Hindus page[34] (when actually one editor, Kanga Roo in the Zoo writes that the word, "persecution" is mentioned in one of the citations), but for the Anti-Hinduism article, the term, "persecution" need not be mentioned - mob attacks and arson directed against Hindus are enough to include citations in the (Anti-Hinduism) article. AcidSnow has also been stalking and reverting my edits:[35]
- @Darkness Shines: I have not edited anything that I have been topic banned from after the AE against me.—Khabboos (talk) 10:33, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
- Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested
- Notified
Discussion concerning AcidSnow
Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator.
Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks.
Statement by AcidSnow
Statement by Darkness Shines
How is this not a violation of the TBAN just imposed on Khabboos? Darkness Shines (talk) 09:34, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
Statement by (username)
Result concerning AcidSnow
This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above.
This enforcement request seems to violate the topic ban, that applies to Khabboos, because it concerns a complaint about the removal of content about violence between the Hindu and Muslim communities in Pakistan. On the merits, the evidence submitted here is not enough to establish actionable misconduct. I see one diff of what seems to be a content dispute, and vague allegations of stalking with no evidence. That's not enough to act on. Sandstein 10:41, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
Darkness Shines
This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.
Requests may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator.
Request concerning Darkness Shines
- User who is submitting this request for enforcement
- Khabboos (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 10:25, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
- User against whom enforcement is requested
- Darkness Shines (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Sanction or remedy to be enforced
- Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/India-Pakistan :
- Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
- Here [36] and here [37] Removed sentence which had properly referenced citation.
- [38] Talking of reverting and therefore edit warring if a sentence which had properly referenced citations is added to the article Hinduism_in_Pakistan.
- Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)
- Warned on [39] by admin Frank (talk · contribs)
- Warned on [40] by Amadscientist
- Warned on [41]
- Warned on [42] by admin MarcusMaximus0 (talk · contribs)
- Warned on [43]
- Warned on [44] by admin Seraphimblade (talk · contribs)
- Additional comments by editor filing complaint
Despite having unclean hands, he has complained for AE against newcomers like ZORDANLIGHTER and me (Khabboos) here.
- Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested
- Notified
Discussion concerning Darkness Shines
Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator.
Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks.
Statement by Darkness Shines
Statement by (username)
Result concerning Darkness Shines
This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above.
The complaint does not include actionable evidence of misconduct. We have one article diff, which seems to reflect a content dispute, and unclear references to some talk page discussions. The conduct of Khabboos in filing this request, and the one above, appears vexatious and disruptive, including by engaging in personal attacks ("What a crook!"). I recommend extending their topic ban to everything related to religion or ethnic conflicts in India, Pakistan and Afghanistan, because it is clear that they lack the clue needed to edit productively in this topic area. Sandstein 10:53, 27 March 2014 (UTC)