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Vandorenfm

Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.

Request concerning Vandorenfm

User requesting enforcement: Twilightchill t 21:36, 10 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: Vandorenfm (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Sanction or remedy that this user violated: Wikipedia:AA2#Amended Remedies and Enforcement

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

The continuous reverts look like an attempt to win the ongoing dispute. Seems to be a breach of Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan 2#Edit warring considered harmful and Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan 2#Assume good faith

Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)

[1] Warning by Twilight Chill (talk · contribs)

Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction): Revert restriction or any other sanction deemed appropriate

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

Regarding Sandstein's comment below on request's reasons, I would note that because the aforementioned reverts fall under AA2 case, this board seems to be more appropriate rather than WP:ANEW, where edit-warrings are commonly reported. Given that WP:TBAN does not explicitly ban the AE requests and the AE notice that "most editors under ArbCom sanction... should be treated with the same respect as any other editor", I think this report is warranted: Vandorenfm's (as well as Gorzaim's) edits create unhealthy editorial atmoshphere in the Caucasian Albania article for a couple of days. Twilightchill t 22:41, 10 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested: [2]

Discussion concerning Vandorenfm

Statement by Vandorenfm

I do not see any reason for this request. User: Twilight Chill has been edit warring for which he was recently topic-banned for one year. In essence, he is trying here to accuse me in responding to his disruptive actions for which he got eventually banned. His removal of large portions of texts was courteously reverted with proper explanation and suggestions to cooperate. User: Twilight Chill refused to explain his actions [3], [4]. In other words, he continued his unexplained “naked” reverts, claiming with no evidence and explanation that the text he kept removing violated WP:NPOV. And, as a result of his actions User: Twilight Chill was topic-banned for a year. His hands cannot be more unclean for this request.

Regarding the entire business of removing chapters from the article Caucasian Albania, the sysop/admin User:John Vandenberg wrote to User: Twilight Chill: “Twilight Chill, wrt your NPOV concerns, edit warring and removal of entire sections isn't appropriate. Historical revisionism is relevant to Caucasian Albania; maybe the section should be trimmed down a bit, but that should have been discussed on talk, noticeboards, etc., or a RFC if consensus can't be found. Removing it wasn't the right approach” [5]. By this User:John Vandenberg confirmed that:

User: Twilight Chill was edit warring
Removal of entire sections isn't appropriate
Discussion of historical revisionism is relevant to the article on Caucasian Albania (in contrast to what some editors claim

I was simply following the admin User:John Vandenberg recommendation when I was trying to deal with “removal of entire sections,” that’s all.

When User: Twilight Chill got banned for one year for edit warring, “removal of entire sections” was being done by the veteran Azerbaijani editor User: Grandmaster. User: Grandmaster is a confirmed disruptive editor in Russian Wikipedia, currently blocked for 6 months: [6]. User: Grandmaster was accused by Russian admins in being a mastermind behind a syndicate in which he coordinated actions of a dozen of Azerbaijani editors to disrupt multiple articles in Azerbaijani/Armenian topic area [7]. I appeal to the admins to deal with User: Grandmaster in English-based wiki as well, and stop him asap because he may practice the same tricks here. And one of User: Grandmaster’s accomplices in Russian wiki was the same User: Twilight Chill also known as User: Brandmeister, [8]. User: Twilight Chill has been banned from editing any topics related to Armenia/Azerbaijan in Russian wiki [9].

User: Twilight Chill’s first accusation called “revert with inappropriate edit summary” is baseless. Everyone can see that it was unclear why he removed an entire good and well sourced chapter from the article. He never explained what he was doing and why.

His second accusation called “subsequent unsubstantiated revert” is a false claim. “Unsubstantiated revert” was Twilight Chill’s, not mine. I corrected an unexplained disruption. I substantiated this revert on talk pages. And it was clear that User: Twilight Chill was edit-warring since he did not explain why he was reverting, for which he eventually got topic-banned for one year.

His third accusation called “further revert with the "vandalism" considerations” is unfounded. In “Types of vandalism” [10], under “Sneaky vandalism,” we read that vandalism is “reverting legitimate edits with the intent of hindering the improvement of pages.” The history of Caucasian AlbaniaI is an obscure topic by itself and, as, testified by numerous sources, people care about it because this issue is misused for political reasons in Azerbaijan. Azerbaijani authors were accused in the West and Russia of manipulating historical texts, and world readers should be aware of this phenomenon, and should know why that happens. Robert Hewsen, a historian from Rowan College and the acknowledged authority in this field, wrote in his volume Armenia: A Historical Atlas, published by Chicago University Press:

Scholars should be on guard when using Soviet and post-Soviet Azeri editions of Azeri, Persian, and even Russian and Western European sources printed in Baku. These have been edited to remove references to Armenians and have been distributed in large numbers in recent years. When utilizing such sources, the researchers should seek out pre-Soviet editions wherever possible. Robert Hewsen. “Armenia: A Historical Atlas. Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 2001, p. 291

By removing this chapter without any explanation User: Twilight Chill and User: Grandmaster were both “hindering the improvement of pages” as explained in “Types of vandalism” [11]. In fact, I did not accuse anyone in vandalism directly, just hypothesized and warned that this, theoretically, can be seen as vandalism. But my courtesy remained unanswered.

The forth accusation “new revert with the accusations of "disruptive editing" unfounded as well. User: Grandmaster was indeed engaged in disruptive editing, removing an entire chapter several times [12], [13]. Instead of detailing out what is wrong with the chapter and giving examples why what he says is true, User: Grandmaster explained his actions with this: “wiki articles are not a place for propaganda” [14]. This is a violation of WP civility code. I suggested twice that User: Grandmaster may modify content if he feels it is incomplete or lopsided. But User: Grandmaster was not listening.

Overall, I was following/enforcing User:John Vandenberg’s assessment of the situation. User:John Vandenberg’s text is this [15].

I strongly disagree that "Vandorenfm's contribution history suggests an account created solely to make warlike partisan edits in the AA topic area." I have been unduly busy with this issue only because of disruptive behavior of banned members of Russian wiki like Grandmaster and Twilight Chill. They slow me down. I am a new user but have already create a page on Nor Varagavank.

Vandorenfm (talk) 03:15, 11 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Additional Comments No 1

My actions cannot be considered as edit warring since I was reverting bad faith edits of the banned User:Grandmaster, Russian Wiki's most notorious disruptive editor of all times [16], [17]. The decision of the arbitration committee of Russian wiki says: "Арбитражный Комитет постановляет заблокировать учётную запись Grandmaster на 6 месяцев. В течение 6 месяцев после разблокировки на участника будет наложен запрет на редактирование спорных статей и ограничение на редактирование пространств Википедии, как описано в пункте 3 данного решения." That means: "Arbitration Committee decided to block the account Grandmaster for 6 months. During 6 months after the block is lifted, this participant will be banned for editing disputed articles for 6 months, per point 3 of this decision."
To User:Sandstein: I took a seminar of how to edit Wiki run by a group of American volunteers. That's why I was brought up to speed so quickly, and could edit Wiki easily. Such seminars are a common practice on university campuses these days. Vandorenfm (talk) 17:44, 11 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by others about the request concerning Vandorenfm

This is just to note that, unrelated to this request but because of the continued edit-warring which it partly reflects, I have applied article-level discretionary sanctions to Caucasian Albania, as described at Talk:Caucasian Albania#Discretionary sanctions. Sandstein 21:45, 10 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Something is clearly wrong here. We have 4 strange accounts, Xebulon (talk · contribs), Vandorenfm (talk · contribs), Gorzaim (talk · contribs) and Oliveriki (talk · contribs). They all started appearing one by one since November, and edit the same set of articles in AA area, the main focus being that about Caucasian Albania. [18] Oliveriki is clearly a throwaway account created for the sole purpose of reverting, while Gorzaim is the one used for controversial editing, and the rest seem to be used for reverting and posting support comments for Gorzaim. It is interesting that Caucasian Albania is the same article that was a favorite target of a well-known sockmaster Verjakette/Paligun, and these CU results might give some idea about the scale of disruption: Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Erkusukes and Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Paligun/Archive. Even the CU clerk noticed that something strange was going on, but the CU showed no connection between those accounts: [19] However behavioral evidence is too strong to dismiss suspicions. Verjakette used open proxies to evade CU detection, so the socking was established only after a number of checks. It is also of interest that Gorzaim and Vandorenfm mostly do not edit on the same days, when one is gone, the other takes his place. It could be that it is one person changing his location, which allows him to evade CU. But the edits of those accounts are absolutely identical. I think the activity of these 4 accounts needs a thorough investigation, and in my opinion they clearly fail a duck test. Btw, yesterday this SPI request: [20] proved that another puppeteer was involved in Caucasian Albania article, so we might be dealing with more than one sockmaster. Also, I think the article needs to be protected on a neutral version, and controversial parts can be included only when a broad consensus with involvement of third party editors is reached. The arbcom decision was clearly about consensual editing in AA area. Grandmaster 11:04, 11 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If it is a problem that this request was filed by the topic banned user, I can sign up for it, or resubmit it, because I think that the conduct of Vandorenfm deserves consideration. Grandmaster 08:21, 12 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

2 days after the protection, the article reverted again by Gorzaim (talk · contribs), without any consensus. [21]. As I understand the decision was that everybody is banned from that page. Grandmaster 20:25, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment by BorisG

I find it quite extraordinary that admins consider request by a topic-banned user. This rewards and encourages violations of the topic bans. Yes admins also block the filing party but this is clearly a penalty they are prepared to pay for having the rival party topic banned for a long time. We should avoid encouraging such behaviour. - BorisG (talk) 15:03, 11 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Since this editor was banned from the entire area of the conflict, rather than from only editing articles on the subject, I agree with Boris. This should not be encouraged. Vandorenfm is clearly an SPA, but I am not sure if we have a clear policy about SPA, especially when they also make some constructive edits, as Vandorenfm did. Biophys (talk) 16:53, 11 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I will look at wp:ru over the weekend. ~~Feel free to move my comment.~~ - BorisG (talk) 14:57, 11 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing of real interest except an article about Armenian terrorism and many other subjects that are much better developed on ruwiki than here. Rather than fighting, these editors should simply translate good materials from Russian.Biophys (talk) 18:56, 11 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I am of the firm opinion that contributions from topic banned editors should not be considered, and this includes this request. I also note that it appears that this request was files after V commented on twighlight chill's appeal. I therefore think we should NOT be looking at the substance of this request. It is also not clear to me whether admins want me to look at wp:ru and what exactly they are interested in. If you want me to look, please pose specific questions, if any. Otherwise I will do something more useful. Cheers. - BorisG (talk) 01:35, 12 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have read the entire case and checked which of the sanctioned users are present on enwiki. I have e-mailed the list to EdJohnson. As for the translated version, obviously it is not proper English but should be clear in the main. I cannot edit the whole translation; I think it is unnecessary. If anyone is intersted in interpretation of a particular section or passage, I am happy to give one. Cheers. - BorisG (talk) 08:35, 12 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Result concerning Vandorenfm

This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above.

Waiting for a statement by Vandorefm, but at first glance this looks like sanctionable edit-warring. But I note that the requesting editor is topic-banned from this area of conflict (User talk:Twilight Chill#Arbitration enforcement topic ban: Armenia and Azerbaijan), and this AE report is not one of the exceptions recognized in Wikipedia:BAN#Exceptions to limited bans. I ask him to provide reasons why he should not himself be sanctioned for violating his topic ban by making this enforcement request. Sandstein 21:57, 10 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I suggest that Vandorenfm be topic-banned from AA for three months, and that Twilight Chill be blocked one week for violating his own topic ban. Vandorenfm's contribution history suggests an account created solely to make warlike partisan edits in the AA topic area. Longer-term, putting full protection on Caucasian Albania for two months might be considered. Admins could still perform any edits which had consensus if they were requested via {{editprotect}}. A search of the AE archives for Caucasian Albania gets 23 hits. EdJohnston (talk) 23:04, 10 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Accounts "created solely to make warlike partisan edits" should get an indef topic ban, if not an indef block. I find the recent number of ARBAA2 reports to be concerning. T. Canens (talk) 03:21, 11 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  - I'm not sure that Vandorenfm can accurately be described as a disruption-only account. They have created one useful article, Nor Varagavank (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) - but one wonders that a user only registered since December 2010 and with very few other edits would be able to create such an article. At any rate, the evidence shows that Vandorenfm has been edit-warring to win a content dispute, by reintroducing a contested section four times, and his statement does not rebut this. The merits of the arguments for or against the section's inclusion are not relevant; one does not resolve such disputes by edit-warring. I support a topic ban on that basis. I am also issuing an enforcement block to Twilight Chill. Sandstein 09:34, 11 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Vandorenfm has made reference to ruwiki. I wonder if any enwiki admins have been following the AA disputes on the Russian wikipedia. It is not out of the question that we could pay some attention to the events there, especially regarding groups of people coordinating their edits, if there is a person fluent in both languages who can explain them. There was a Russian arbcom case that closed in August 2010, called 'Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Azerbaijani mailing list'. I see that the list of case participants includes some familiar names. Can anybody help interpret that case for us? EdJohnston (talk) 05:01, 11 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Reading the Gtranslated version, it seems to be an EEML-style mailing list used for coordinated edit warring and canvassing. T. Canens (talk) 05:14, 11 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  - Can you post that translation somewhere? (It's an automated derivative work of CC-BY-SA text, so ought to be CC-BY-SA also.) I can't get Google to translate the full page. Sandstein 18:30, 11 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    - User:Timotheus Canens/sandbox. T. Canens (talk) 20:53, 11 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      - Thanks. I'm not sure how this Russian case applies to this request, or falls within the remit of AE at all, unless somebody can show evidence that the same people are coordinating their edits on this Wikipedia also. Although the Wikimedia projects are normally considered separate for dispute resolution purposes, I believe we should take ArbCom-established misconduct on another project into account when deciding how to address misconduct on our project. Sandstein 21:57, 11 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
        I'm not sure that we should. For the purposes of sanctioning editors, we historically have considered only evidence of misconduct on the English Wikipedia. This is because: 1) editors can behave differently on different projects (because whilst, for instance, on one project he might be being hounded by a troll gang and thus have been banned, on this one he might not be working with such problematic peers); 2) allowing misconduct on one project to affect an editor's standing on another ruins the paradigm of allowing editors to prove their good intentions on another wiki (much as commons and simple does for us).
        I would make an exception if, per above, there are possibly cross-wiki tag-teams; but I am unconvinced that we could explore such a complicated allegation in a simple thread on AE (without at least creating a sub-page). AGK [•] 14:39, 13 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- I suggest we go ahead and close this with a warning to Vandorenfm that he may be topic-banned from AA unless he shows by his actions that he is willing to work patiently for consensus. (The warning will be logged in the case). TwilightChill should, as I suggested above, be blocked one week since filing this report was not allowed by his topic ban. The brief mention of the Russian arbcom decision above will, I hope, cause editors who may have been involved in AA disputes on the other wikipedia to use caution here. Sandstein has imposed article-level discretionary sanctions at Caucasian Albania which ought to help with the disputes on that article. EdJohnston (talk) 15:42, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  - Edit-warring is still edit-warring. I would prefer to impose a brief topic ban on Vandorenfm, but if you want to close this with only a warning, I won't object. Sandstein 14:33, 18 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Night w

No action at this time. EdJohnston (talk) 16:01, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Request concerning Night w

User requesting enforcement: Arctic Night 23:12, 10 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: Night w (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Sanction or remedy that this user violated: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Palestine-Israel articles#General 1RR restriction

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

[22] First reversion
[23] Second reversion, and violation of the 1RR (note: while the user asks to 'discuss this first', the user has reverted to the version that agrees with his/her point of view, not a neutral version).

Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)

Not applicable - WP:1RR is not really possible to warn about...

Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction): Not sure - I'm uninvolved here, and just noticed it as I was browsing around.

Additional comments by editor filing complaint: While reversion of vandalism obviously does not fall under the WP:1RR, this user was not reverting bad faith edits, despite claims to be doing so in the user's edit summary. In fact, the user was 'reverting' to a version that agreed with his/her point of view, rather than a neutral version (a neutral revision was requested by the other party to the dispute, to no avail - this user simply reverted to a POV version instead).

This also may be useful here - this is a discussion during which I believe Night w is attempting to defend his or her actions (not entirely sure though).

As an uninvolved user, I felt it right to report this here. I'm not sure whether Night w was in the right or not here, but I felt that the issue should at least be looked at.

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested: Notified at 23:17, 10 February 2011. Arctic Night 23:18, 10 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion concerning Night w

Statement by Night w

Disclaimer: I am fully aware of the 1RR policy concerning this page, and admit that I have violated this. This issue relates to a recent ANI discussion (here), and a new one (here). Nightw 06:29, 11 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The page in question is one that is primarily edited by only two editors, myself and one Alinor (talk · contribs). Unfortunately, we rarely see eye-to-eye, and my actions on this page have been regrettable on numerous occasions in the past. Regarding the recent actions in question:

Both reverts made within the 24-hour period concerned the same material.
Both reverts undid repeated changes by Alinor that were under ongoing discussion on the talk page, and that were repeated without consensus.
Both reverts undid repeated changes by Eliko (talk · contribs) that were scrutinised under two ANI discussions (see links above), a TfD nomination, that were made during ongoing discussion at the OR noticeboard, and that were repeated without consensus.
Both reverts were to a stable version from a period in which only minor edits were made for six days, so that ongoing discussion could reach a conclusion.

I admit to violating 1RR, and I'll accept whatever consequences arises from that. Having said that, with only two other users involved in editing that page, I'm at a loss trying to keep that article stable, and the situation called for reverting to a stable version, and for discussion to take place on the talk page. Nightw 06:29, 11 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by others about the request concerning Night w

Night w, both of us were involved in back and forth editing, yes. But I see that you continue to push for your undiscussed or non-consensus changes and even claim that they are the "stable version". Just because I refrained from reverting your edits for a few days while I waited for you to use the Talk:Foreign relations of the Palestinian National Authority and Talk:State of Palestine where many of the sections were "waiting" for your input. Please stop claiming that a version pushing your edits is "stable". On both articles you don't agree with some of my changes and I don't agree with some of your changes; if you insist you can revert to a version with NEITHER, not to a version with your changes that I don't agree. Such versions are for Foreign relations - [24] (see my 13:20, 10 February 2011 comment at the talk page there) and for SoP - [25] (Or some version before that - such that doesn't include neither your nor mine changes that the other side doesn't agree with). Of course, reverting to those versions will not be the best solution (as they have some imperfections that we both agree that should be corrected) - but we don't have another option if you continue to refuse to discuss at the talk pages. I would be happy to discuss on the talk page while the article is presented in "your version" - if you were admitting that it's not "stable/consensus". But since you continue to claim that your unilateral changes are "stable/consensus" (and even try to use the time I refrained from reverting them as proof that they are such) I suggest that both articles are immediately reverted to a real stable version (without neither your nor mine changes). Separately there is the issue with the Eliko sources that I really don't understand why you object so furiously. Alinor (talk) 10:17, 11 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It's not a separate issue, since you've incorporated it into your own edits that you've repeated without consensus, or even a discussion in attempt to attain one. Considering that there is an active discussion on the OR noticeboard about this issue, overriding that discussion before consensus can be achieved is a massive violation of policy, and an insult to every editor that is involved in trying to achieve a consensus there. Nightw 10:42, 11 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The Eliko sources are a separate issue. I incorporated these into my edits, just as I incorporate your edits that I agree with. Eliko added them to the page and in the next of my edits I retained them (because I agree with their inclusion).

The main problem is your claims that your version is the stable version. I suggest that you and I don't make any edits to these two articles, make a list of all changes (compared to the real stable versions), discuss and hopefully agree (with the involvement of another editors maybe - as Chipmunkdavis suggests below), then implement only what's discussed, then we will know what the "new stable" version is, then we can discuss further changes. Alinor (talk) 07:24, 12 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Oh no! The page is wrong! I suggest that instead of any editor undergoing blocking, the article(s) be fully protected for awhile and the dispute taken into some form of dispute resolution such as an RFC or 3rd opinion. I personally don't see the discussion just between these two editors going very far here, especially due to the situation. Probably a good idea if both post their argument, back off, and cool down. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 13:16, 11 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- I agree with Chipmunkdavis. I'm not familiar with the article in question but I've seen these two at work at State of Palestine, and blocking one or both of them won't help. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 07:55, 12 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Reverting is only half the problem. Since it's such a contentious topic, the other half is making undiscussed changes that the other more often that not fails to identify as improvements. I suggest that we (meaning Alinor and myself) should be required to propose all changes that are likely to be challenged before we bring them to the article, as most changes we make seem to end up being discussed anyway, no matter how minor. If Alinor can agree to this, we can get things working quite efficiently. Nightw 11:57, 14 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I currently refrain from editing these two articles and expect to do so until the current batch of "issues" is resolved. Of course I agree to discuss changes on the talk pages (there are plenty of open discussions already). And OK, for future changes we can first discuss before implementing (I'm hesitating to say "all future changes" - sometimes it's obvious that there will be no objections - for example when somebody finds a source for "Ramallah mission of country XXX"...). I hope the "stable version" issue is also clarified - see my comment above. Alinor (talk) 13:51, 14 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Great. Nightw 19:05, 14 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Result concerning Night w

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Alinor and Night w are the two main contributors to Foreign relations of the Palestinian National Authority, with 270 edits each. They both seem to be well-intentioned, but their constant warring is why they are here. Since this is a contentious article which falls under I/P, I recommend that both of them be topic banned from the article for one month, while they can still contribute on the talk page. Before this closes, if they can make a credible proposal for how to work together in the future, this action might be avoided. For example, an RFC, an agreement to always talk before reverting, an agreement on how to format references, etc. I suggest we allow 24 hours for this miracle to occur, and then decide. EdJohnston (talk) 17:35, 12 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Concur with EdJohnston. AGK [•] 14:32, 13 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Since Night w and Alinor seem to have moderated their tone, and may be willing to compromise, I am closing with no action. Admins may keep Foreign relations of the Palestinian National Authority on their watch list to be sure the problem does not recur. EdJohnston (talk) 15:59, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Grandmaster

No personal sanctions against Grandmaster. Caucasian Albania is now under article-level sanctions, which addresses the problem. EdJohnston (talk) 16:21, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Request concerning Grandmaster

User requesting enforcement: Vandorenfm (talk) 21:15, 11 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: Grandmaster (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Sanction or remedy that this user violated: Presumed to be the AA2 discretionary sanctions - Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan 2#Amended Remedies and Enforcement. AGK [•] 17:18, 12 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

[26] Unexplained accusations of POV accompanied by revert
[27] Unexplained accusations of POV accompanied by revert
[28] Removed an entire section in an article, repeating action of a user who was banned for that very set of actions; possibly “sneaky vandalism” as described in Types of Vandalism
[29] Removed an entire section in an article, repeating action of a user who was banned for that very set of actions; possibly “sneaky vandalism” as described in Types of Vandalism
[30] Accompanied his removal of an entire section in article by rude commentary featuring unfounded accusations of propaganda
[31] Pressed accusations of sock puppetry despite documented evidence to the contrary

Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)

> Warning by Vandorenfm (talk · contribs)

Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction): block

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

The case concerns User:Grandmaster, who was recently banned from editing Russian wiki for 6 months, with subsequent topic ban for another 6 months when the first ban expires this year. Admins of Russian wiki identified User:Grandmaster as a mastermind behind a virtual organization in which he coordinated actions of a dozen of Azerbaijani editors to edit multiple articles in Azerbaijani/Armenian topic area [32].

There is some evidence that User:Grandmaster may similarly be part of such virtual organization in English wiki. Here User:Quantum666 posted a message to Grandmaster under "Shusha/Shushi" seeking his involvement [33]. User:Quantum666 was part of the Russian wiki cabal that Grandmaster allegedly managed, and was indefinitely banned by Russian admins [34].

User:Twilight Chill, also known as User: Brandmeister was User:Grandmaster’s yet another alleged partner in the cabal in Russian wiki, and was banned for such involvement [35]. User:Grandmaster replaced User:Twilight Chill in edit warring and removal of an entire chapter in the article Caucasian Albania when User:Twilight Chill got topic-banned in English wiki for one year for such unexplained reverts. Grandmaster’s decision to support User:Twilight Chill’s actions in Caucasian Albania may represent additional evidence that both are part of such organization in English wiki as well. User: Twilight Chill aka Brandmeister has been banned from editing any topics related to Armenia/Azerbaijan in Russian wiki [36].

User:Twilight Chill’s and, hence indirectly, Grandmaster’s actions, were censured by the sysop/admin User:John Vandenberg who wrote to User: Twilight Chill: “Twilight Chill, wrt your NPOV concerns, edit warring and removal of entire sections isn't appropriate. Historical revisionism is relevant to Caucasian Albania” [37].

In violation of AA2#Category:Wikipedia_sockpuppeteers [38], Grandmaster posted baseless accusations of sockpuppetry [39], disregarding the fact that several times such connection has already been declined by sockpuppetry investigations [40], [41], [42].

In the past Grandmaster was subjected to the following restrictions regarding reverts:

Revert parole [43]

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested: The requesting user is asked to notify the user against whom this request is directed of it, and then to replace this text with a diff of that notification. The request will normally not be processed otherwise.

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Discussion concerning Grandmaster

Statement by Grandmaster

I don't really understand what I'm being accused of here. Whatever happened in the Russian wiki has nothing to do with en:wiki, it is a completely different project. Plus, I'm not banned there anymore, and back to normal editing. I can name editors who are permanently banned in other wikis, but edit here, and vice versa, and don't remember anyone ever being punished in en:wiki for misconduct in other wikis. As for 1 year revert limitation in en:wiki 4 years ago, it was imposed on all active editors in AA articles at the time, I never violated it, and it is long over for everyone. I have no history of blocks, bans, etc in en:wiki since 2007, that is for many years. I don't find my reverting to be excessive, especially comparing with 4 rvs in Caucasian Albania by the editor who filed this complaint and countless rvs by other accounts who supported him. For instance, the account of Oliveriki (talk · contribs), whose only contribution is 3 rvs in AA covered articles. And it is really strange that I'm accused of reverting extreme POV edits by the banned user Rjbronn. Also note that I was one of the main contributors to Caucasian Albania article for many years, which is obvious by look at talk and history of the article. Of course, I have that article in my watch list and follow what's going on there from time to time. I don't find this to be a good faith report. I see no diffs of any controversial edits by me, or mass edit warring across multiple articles, or anything of the kind that would require some drastic measures against me, especially blocking, as Vandorenfm requests. Of course, it is up to the admins to decide, I always abode by their decisions. Grandmaster 22:07, 11 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by others about the request concerning <Grandmaster>

I support Grandmaster in this case as Vandorenfm is most noticeable for adding ONLY Armenian based references in disputed articles, then bragging about how people are against him. Enough to check his contributions.--NovaSkola (talk) 21:28, 11 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Please note that your statement "adding ONLY Armenian based references in disputed articles" is factually untrue in its entirety. Vandorenfm (talk) 21:34, 11 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Result concerning Grandmaster

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I did close this as inactionable because the arbitration remedies it was being alleged had been violated were not named. I presume the decision in question is the AA2 discretionary sanctions: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan 2#Amended Remedies and Enforcement. AGK [•] 17:18, 12 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Grandmaster's actions that are mentioned in this complaint are all about Caucasian Albania (except for an issue about possible socking, which anyone can report at SPI). Now that Sandstein has placed Talk:Caucasian_Albania#Discretionary sanctions, Grandmaster is no longer able to edit that article. (He is one of the editors sanctioned under the original WP:ARBAA decision). Since this appears to take care of the only specific problem mentioned in this complaint, the issue can be closed. Since Vandorenfm does not yet have much of a positive record with AA articles, I recommend that he try to work for a while as a content contributor and try to avoid the admin forums. EdJohnston (talk) 16:18, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

NPz1

No action here. Editor has been indef blocked as a sock, per WP:Sockpuppet investigations/MUCHERS22. EdJohnston (talk) 16:27, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Disregard. Blocked and tagged already.Cptnono (talk) 06:57, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:NPz1 recently began editing in the topic area. There have been three blocks since January 28.[45]

NPz1 is currently blocked but an obvious sock, User:JackhammerSwirl, made a similar edit and breeched 1/rr. No checkuser shoud be needed per DUCK:

Similar reverts (no one else has presented this and the wording is exact):

Jackhamerswirl

NPz1

Similar interest in Iran (not in topic area as a whole but provided as proof of socking):

JHS
JHS

NPZ
NPZ

User requesting enforcement

User:Cptnono

User against whom enforcement is requested: NPz1 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Sanction or remedy that this user violated

Socking and 1/rr violation in the Palestine-Israel topic area

Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)

3 blocks and notified as shown on the block log and case page

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

[46]
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1/rr breech and socking.

Enforcement action requested

Indefinite topic ban

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

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Discussion

Result

Tentontunic

Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.

Request concerning Tentontunic

User requesting enforcement: TFD (talk) 03:51, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: Tentontunic (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Sanction or remedy that this user violated: Wikipedia:DIGWUREN#Discretionary_sanctions

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

[50] 20:07, 16 February 2011 (And remove POV tag, silly to have had it here since 2009.)
[51] 23:33, 16 February 2011 (Absolutely no justification for this given. Pure hyperbole.)

Edit-warring on article covered by Digwuren sanctions under 1RR. I set up a discussion thread in the article talk page.[52]

Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)

"Not applicable."

Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction): Block or warning

Additional comments by editor filing complaint: I note that Tentontunic has self-reverted.[53] I therefore no longer see any need for further action. TFD (talk) 12:58, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Reply to Sandstein:

Although Tentontunic says "The Four Deuces edits appear to be to remove content", the edits were to restore POV tags that had been removed without consensus on July 10, October 3, Dec 1 and Feb 16. In all cases there was discussion on the talk page in which I participated.[54][55][56] None of these discussions led to a consensus to remove the POV tag. There is currently a new discussion about the neutrality of the article.[57] Since the article has been nominated for deletion 5 times, has 25 archived talk page discussions, is under 1RR (and Digwuren), and has had administrators attempting to resolve disputes, it would seem that there is a dispute over neutrality. The tags have been in place since the article began, and numerous other editors have replaced them when they have been removed. TFD (talk) 15:14, 18 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I will now look through the edit history of the article. Could you please allow me time to find the examples. TFD (talk) 16:27, 18 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Below are examples of other editors restoring the POV tags during the period under discussion. I do not know if this is an exhaustive list.

July 10 - Verbal[58]
Sep. 5 - Big Hex[59]
Oct. 3 - Igny[60]
Oct. 3 - Giftiger wunsch[61]
Oct. 4 -Igny[62]
Oct. 12 - Igny[63]
Dec. 3 - Petri Krohn[64]
Dec. 3 AndyTheGrump[65]
Dec. 9 - Igny[66]
Dec. 9 - Igny[67]

TFD (talk) 19:12, 18 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The POV tag had originally been posted by Russavia 5th August, 2009, two days after Joklolk created the article.[68] After the POV tag was removed, Paul Siebert restored it 29th January, 2010.[69] TFD (talk) 04:50, 19 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Reply to Tentontunic - Igny was blocked 3 minutes after the 1RR violation.[70] I did not log into Wikipedia on that day. TFD (talk) 20:29, 18 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Reply to Martintg - your account of my previous report to AE is incorrect. I had not "also reverted" and in fact had not edited that article for four weeks before the edit-war leading to the report. While there was edit-warring on both sides involving four editors, I only reported one editor because he was the only one who had been issued a Digwuren warning. I did not for example report User:Mamalujo, although he had made the same edits as the user I reported.[71][72][73] TFD (talk) 21:48, 18 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested: The requesting user is asked to notify the user against whom this request is directed of it, and then to replace this text with a diff of that notification. The request will normally not be processed otherwise.

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Discussion concerning Tentontunic

Statement by Tentontunic

Is removing a tag which has been forcibly kept on the article since 2009 really a revert? The Four Deuces appears to have ownership issues on articles relating to communism. Having now looked at the article history it seems he has had a slow motion edit war going since at least july 2010 [75] [76][77][78][79][80] In fact all of The Four Deuces edits appear to be to remove content. Now contrast this behaviour with his actions on left wing terrorism. He removes a POV tag within hours of it being added to the article [81] This is an article he has edit warred uncited content, including BLP violations into the article. I would ask administrators to look at the Communist terrorism article history as well. Tentontunic (talk) 08:23, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have also self reverted [82] Which makes this request moot. Tentontunic (talk) 09:15, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It appears IGNY has one less than The Four Deuces. The Four Deuces, might I ask, did you report IGNY for his breaking of the 1R on the 9th of december? Tentontunic (talk) 19:30, 18 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by others about the request concerning Tentontunic

Considering TFD's problems above (where he narrowly escaped sanctions), this is not an action which could remotely defuse anything at all. It looks more strongly like "I escaped, but I will make sure you don't" than anything else (a neat variety of Wikilawyering at best, and an example of the problem noted in the prior case at worst). Note also the relative size of the article in 2009 and its current size. Collect (talk) 11:37, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with AGK that editing this article has become a problem. Some people even place the jokes by Ann Coulter that Darwinism was responsible for the killings [83]. This should stop.Biophys (talk) 20:08, 18 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Another article to which an AE report lodged by TFD against an editor[84] resulted in an article based sanction when it was found that TFD and others had also reverted. Given TFD's apparent propensity to report only his opponents for reverting while ignoring the behaviour of his allies, indicates a certain tendentiousness in making these complaints. I've lost count of the number of AE reports TFD has submitted in the past year, but this excessive use of this board to get an upper hand in content disputes seems to indicate a certain battleground mentality. Perhaps some kind of restriction on submitting AE reports for TFD may be in order here. --Martin (talk) 21:02, 18 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think that any sanctions on any individuals involved in disputes over this article are likely to be counter-productive, simply because they distract us from actually addressing the root cause - the article itself, or more accurately the article title. Simply put, it is a conclusion dressed up as a topic. To describe it as 'synthesis' is to give it more credibility than it deserves. It is little more than propaganda, with no attempt to analyse, or even define, it's actual topic. That millions have died under Stalin, Mao, or Pol Pot is self-evident, but to simply attribute this to the actions of 'Communist regimes' amounts to nothing more than political name-calling unless it is accompanied by a meaningful analysis of the wider circumstances - something the very article title precludes. I'd suggest that the best solution would be to impose a 'topic ban' on the topic, and let us deal with state-imposed killing on a proper analytical case-by-case basis, free from cheap slogans. AndyTheGrump (talk) 05:13, 19 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think this is a good point. - BorisG (talk) 06:02, 19 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Eh. There is a basic disagreement between editors as to whether this article should exist at all. It's been to like four hundred fifty seven AfDs, fifty one point eight article name moves and has a thousands and ninety one archives of the talk page. One group refuses to even entertain the possibility that this is a viable topic and wants the article deleted or at least completely gutted of content no matter what. The other group thinks otherwise. They fight. They fight. Fight fight fight. Fight fight fight. It's like the Itchy and scratchy show. They use this very board as a tactic in this fight (one group more than other, IMO), just like they use AfD and RMs. Any editors "in between" get caught in the cross fire and end up moving to the corner solutions over time. The administrators on this board facilitate and enable this ongoing conflict by floating the possibility that one side can "win" by getting the other side banned, which in turn encourages further fighting. Andy happens to be in the first group and his comment above is him just saying "don't impose sanctions, let's "us" delete it even though we couldn't get that done at AfD" - by "imposing a "topic ban" on the topic".

Normally I'd say, just declare it a "free for all zone" and let them go at it, but that won't work in this case since it's easier to delete than to create. So rather I think that every two weeks a random editor who has made an edit to the article should get a completely arbitrary two week ban. That way only people who are really really passionate about the subject will actually make edits and risk the ban. And then they will get banned. And then the problem will be solved.Volunteer Marek (talk) 06:36, 19 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment by Volunteer Marek

Slap discretionary sanctions on the article itself but put this warning [85] way up on top so that everyone can see it. That way they can't say they haven't been warned.Volunteer Marek (talk) 05:25, 19 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Result concerning Tentontunic

This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above.

In view of the self-revert I do not think that a sanction is needed at this time, but may well be imposed if the situation repeats. I invite The Four Deuces to give reasons why he should not himself be sanctioned for slow-motion editwarring as per the diffs provided by Tentontunic (I note that the most recent revert, [86], took place a few days ago). Sandstein 14:28, 18 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The Four Deuces, can you please provide diffs of any occasions of someone else but you re-adding the "POV" tag to the article? Sandstein 16:09, 18 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I see that, somewhat recently, the POV tag has been added and removed by users other than Tentontunic and The Four Deuces (hence TFD)[87][88]. To every editor of the Mass killings under Communist regimes article, I would stress the importance of focussing on the actual content of the article and of never edit-warring over unimportant things like an "Article has POV problems" messagebox. Having done a brief, preliminary evaluation of the recent history of this article, it seems to me that a drastic re-focus is needed: I see copious reversion—all of which is quite vociferous—when measured talk page discussion (or alternative methods of dispute resolution, such as mediation or requests for comment) is what is needed.
I am inclined to say that we ought to apply discretionary sanctions of some form to this article, such as a novel form of probation that would allow us to immediately ban from the article any editor who uses reversion over discussion more than once (as the standard 1RR, that results in short blocks for violations, seems to not be working). AGK [•] 17:40, 18 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Do you think that a sanction similar to the one described at Talk:Caucasian Albania#Discretionary sanctions (that article had similar problems) would work? Alternatively, or additionally, we could require that no editor may revert the same action (or a substantially similar action) more than once. Sandstein 22:16, 18 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ryoung122

Not an actionable request.

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Request concerning Ryoung122

User requesting enforcement: David in DC (talk) 13:21, 18 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: Ryoung122 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Sanction or remedy that this user violated: WP:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Longevity#Ryoung122_topic-banned

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

Announces potential source material for longevity lists and bios

Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)

Not Applicable

Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction): Strongly-worded admonition and reminder of topic ban. Especially the phrase "broadly defined".
Deletion of the edit and oversighting of the diff.

Additional comments by editor filing complaint: This appears to be an effort to suggest a source for longevity articles. It appears to be an effort to continue to "lead" the World's Oldest People wiki-project. It appears to be an effort to determine the limits of an envelope specifically labelled "broadly defined". Occuring so close in time to the topic-ban, it suggests the need for simple, declaratory, public admonishment. If heeded, no further action will be necessary. If not, and someone needs to cite prior warnings in a subsequent enforcement request, (s)he'll have a record to work with.

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested: I have notified the editor. David in DC (talk) 13:28, 18 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Please, this is a blatantly obvious violation of the topic ban. Do please review the history and take action. Itsmejudith (talk) 17:13, 18 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion concerning Ryoung122

Statement by Ryoung122

Comments by others about the request concerning Ryoung122

As the ~~arbs~~ users who have commented so far below say, writing that census data coming out soon is a violation of a longevity topic ban how? Looking at his edits following that statement, the note seems to be for new population numbers for cities, which is not even close to violating anything. Make an enforcement request when he actually violates something. Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 17:21, 18 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, what arbitrators have commented on the request :P? And yes, nobody had mentioned that the context of his comment was probably population numbers for cities; that convinces me even more that the request is not actionable. AGK [•] 17:43, 18 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Result concerning Ryoung122

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I don't see how an unspecific announcement of the availibility of census data is longevity-related. I suggest closing this report without action. Sandstein 14:24, 18 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Sandstein that no enforcement action is needed. EdJohnston (talk) 16:17, 18 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I concur that this request is not immediately actionable because Ryoung's comment was not unquestionably related to Longevity (from which he is topic-banned). But it is clear why the filing party could argue that the comment did constitute a topic-ban violation, and I would accordingly caution Ryoung against attempting to evade his topic-ban by means of a comment on an unrelated venue (such as his talk page). Editors who are topic-banned often find that leniency is rarely showed by administrators in complaints about ban evasion, and Ryoung must be especially careful that he is never participating in a discussion relating to longevity. That aside, this complaint is not actionable, and so I will with this edit close this thread. AGK [•] 17:26, 18 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

PCPP

Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.

Request concerning PCPP

User requesting enforcement: Asdfg12345 21:08, 18 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: PCPP (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Sanction or remedy that this user violated: Falun Gong discretionary sanctions

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it: (See below.)

I apologise for the length. Well done to the people who read this, examine the dispute, and make judgement. I give a sampling of diffs below. There are many more compiled here, on the RfC I opened against this user. I recommend whoever judges this to look into the background there and read the remarks. That background is pretty crucial to understanding the evidence here.

We are talking about what are often quite complicated discussions and disputes. There are any number of ways to present what the dozens and hundreds of sources say about any given topic. And particularly on a topic like this, which has proven to be quite controversial on Wikipedia, there are multiple possible presentations. The key thing is, however, that PCPP has no interest in any other presentation than his own. And he asserts it emphatically, and does not shy away from engaging in revert wars against multiple editors to advance his view. Except for perhaps the recent case and a few other egregious edits, most of the time it is hard to put your finger on precisely why what PCPP is doing or saying is a clear violation of the rules: everyone is allowed to remove inappropriate content, or question sources, or rephrase things, or reduce things. But when he does it constantly, including revert wars, all centering around removing negative information about the Chinese Communist Party, it becomes a troubling pattern. And it is infuriating for editors who want to do serious research on the pages.

Thus, PCPP is guilty of violating the central tenets of Wikipedia: he is a biased, tendentious editor who edit wars to remove or reduce information he perceives as negative about the Chinese Communist Party, and does not engage in meaningful discussion or research. Most of the diffs below fit into this rubric.

Recent dispute: [89] [90] [91] Explanation: In these edits PCPP goes against an emerging consensus to simply blank information that accords with RS and is relevant to the topic in question. Why? Only he knows.

Tiananmen square self-immolation page:

[92] -- blank content under discussion. Typical expanation "disputed." Never mind who is disputing what.
[93] -- this is a typical edit: vast changes, pushed through unilaterally, all meant to promote one point of view. See the corresponding discussion on the talk page and it quickly becomes obvious how much effort other editors (including myself) put into explaining themselves, and how PCPP simply ignores it.
[94] -- Another, along the same lines. Many of the reverts he did during this time were similar: they involved sweeping reversions of content that had been much discussed and debated by multiple editors on the talk page. And then he put up an RfC and proceeded to revert back to his version, claiming that the outcome of the RfC had to be resolved (in some cases, yes, you can see how this would make sense, but it was very hard not to view this as anything but a ploy)
[95] -- another example, followed by more along the same lines: [96]. That was reverted by another editor: [97]

Persecution of Falun Gong page:

[98] -- mass blank. Reason? Because I did not discuss the edit previously.

Falun Gong page:

[99] -- rv, no discussion, no edit summary (this particular edit had been discussed extensively, but was supported by multiple editors and had multiple sources--the problem is not with there being a dispute, but with PCPP's means of "resolving" it)
[100] -- this is a good example. That line needed a source, but it was missing one I guess because it is just such a basic and common accepted fact. In any case, he did not delete it because it had no source, but because of what it said. When looking at the corresponding discussion, PCPP is often not to be found.

Organ harvesting page: [101][102][103][104] -- each of these would be potentially OK, the point is that he did not really discuss properly and always much tendentious edits meant to change what sources say when it comes to something about the CCP. In the edit about the Amnesty info, when you check the ref 56 on that page, it is a different thing Amnesty says--so there was not a duplication, as he claimed. Each of these edits, isolated, would be potentially fine. The point is that they are strokes in a large picture.

The point is this: the views that PCPP holds, and even his editing with them in mind, is not in and of itself something he can be prosecuted for. Theoretically, if he states his point clearly, bases it on fact and good research, and argues it elegantly, he could get away with much. The trouble is that he is aggressive and uncommunicative, he ignores long and careful discussion in favour of the quick revert. He has contributed little to the pages except frustrating the efforts of those who want to do good work.

Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)

previous AE report 2010-03
notification of sanctions by Stifle (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)
I made a series of notes to him asking him to stop: [105][106][107][108][109][110] ; he began deleting them: [111][112]

Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction): Indefinite topic ban.

Additional comments by editor filing complaint: (Moved to #Comment by filing editor concerning PCPP.)

I suggest the indef topic ban because this has already dragged on for so long, ever since PCPP began editing Wikipedia. If you look through the RfC you will note this clearly. If he is allowed off the hook this time I assume he will simply become more sophisticated and waste a lot more of other editors' time in the long run (unless they give up editing Falun Gong pages first, which is a possibility). It is clear that he is not here in good faith. Others have already come to that conclusion. He turns every discussion into a battle, immediately polarising the debate, making the editing environment simply an opposition, a battle. He is not here to work intelligently, but to fight for his point of view, and he does not stint from edit warring to promote it. If more evidence is needed to substantiate these claims, please advise me.

A final note, regarding my own conduct: I reverted PCPP twice in the recent dispute. I slightly regret the second time. It was not necessary. Three editors had expressed support for the information, it was reliably sourced, and it fit with the requirements of the page. So often one feels helpless in the face of PCPP's senseless explanations for his edits that the "revert" button becomes the one concrete assertion of truth over nonsense. But it is not the best, and should be used with more judiciousness than I used it today. --Asdfg12345 23:58, 18 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested: [113]

Comment by filing editor concerning PCPP

For a long time now PCPP (talk · contribs) has been engaging in disruptive editing activity on Falun Gong related articles and any articles that include content related to Falun Gong. He does it with other articles related to the Chinese Communist Party, but Falun Gong appears to be his forte. As for evidence, his edit history is probably the best possible example: most Falun Gong-related edits are disruptive, very few of them are about adding new information, and nearly every single one of them is about degrading or simply deleting information that is unfavorable to the Chinese Communist Party. I suggest simply looking at his history.

But the specific "incident" I want to highlight here happened on the List_of_wars_and_anthropogenic_disasters_by_death_toll. See the history and discussion. The point is this: he is opposed by three editors who find it legitimate to include information about the persecution/genocide against Falun Gong in the article about alleged genocides. A judge ordered an arrest warrant against Jiang Zemin and Luo Gan, leaders of the persecution, and called it a genocide. That is in this article. There was other media, too.

PCPP has already done three reverts on this page within a few hours.

He has been doing this for a long, long time. Please check his edit history on this topic. His primary method is to be aggressive and edit war. When he does discuss things it is never substantial. He throws out a few sentences, sometimes irrelevant, and continues in the same vain. Meanwhile other editors (including myself) present long explanations for their thinking and changes. He ignores it all and just deletes the stuff he doesn't like. Editing the pages becomes extremely tiring.

Here is a long list of his biased editing that I made a long time ago. Since then he has done much of the same. He came within a hair's breadth of being banned a couple of years ago, and has only gotten worse since then. It is my neglect that has allowed this to simmer for so long. I think it is extremely clear that this editor should no longer be involved in anything related to Falun Gong, and I believe the other editors, when they hear of this motion, will be greatly relieved that something is finally happening. I know of at least three other editors who take an interest in the Falun Gong articles that, from what I can tell, are fed up with PCPP's disruptive behaviour.

Falun Gong is one of the articles on probation. PCPP is a longtime disruptive editor who has now just done three reverts against the consensus (two explicit, one implicit) of three other editors for including reliably sourced information. He should simply be banned indefinitely from the pages, and I don't think anyone who edits the articles will disagree.

Background

Comments by other editors

(I take the liberty to simply collect these from different places and present them here, but I hope others take a look and weigh in directly.)

[114] PCPP, your edits to this page recently are uniquely disruptive. I cannot but wonder what your intention is; if you desire to see the page contain a level and honest description of events and views, I must inform you that your participation so far is not conducive to this end. Instead, the level of aggression and persistent POV-pushing that you display derails any substantive conservation and leads other editors to turn on you. Prior to your arrival here, we were in the midst of a substantive discussion on how to improve the article, and were in the process of reaching agreements on some changes. You then proceeded to revert these changes without discussion. They were restored and explained, but before the discussion could continue, you then reverted wholesale again. This time you offered minimal discussion in which you made several specious arguments that you failed to substantiate or defend... I similarly do not appreciate that you cannot be taken at your word; I realize now that it is necessary to check your edit summaries against your various difs. You also misrepresent the rationale cited by other editors for their changes. Now, I can assume good faith and believe that these are innocent mistakes, and part of me is inclined to do this. But I am beginning to suspect that there is a certain amount of deliberate disruption and deception here. You may consider taking a step back from these articles and going for a nice long walk. Homunculus (duihua) 16:44, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
[115] I just saw this after the shock I got in the recent kerfuffle. Completely agree. I actually wish he would just go away. All PCPP does is POV-push, and he's done it for years (looking at the RfC someone compiled a while ago). I will actually stop editing that page if it keeps it up, so you can't say his tactics don't work. —Zujine, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
[116] A final note, just to make sure this is not forgotten: I appreciate Silk's positive view of things, but I was monitoring the page before I began editing and commenting, so I saw how it unfolded: PCPP has been absolutely disruptive all the way along. You'll notice the amount of ink other editors have spilled tripping over themselves trying to explain their highly reasonable edits, and the throwaway remarks PCPP makes in response, along with either constant reverts, or what cumulatively amount to reverts. I have been frustrated by this editor, and I can only imagine others have. I know we're not supposed to name names, etc., but this must be pointed out because I don't want a repeat of it. All the changes that he/she resisted have actually been made, they are entirely reasonable, the only difference is that X amount more time was wasted because of his/her stubborn resistance. I won't say more on it for now, but if the problem flares up again I will even more unimpressed. —Zujine, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

I urge someone to look into the matter and make the appropriate judgement. I will alert PCPP now. --Asdfg12345 20:22, 18 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: I have copied the above from Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Disruptive editing on topic on probation. - 2/0 (cont.) 21:08, 18 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

(Administrative note) I've moved the above content to its own section due to your statement's length. Having all that squashed in at the top alongside the request information wasn't pretty at all. Hope that's okay with you, Asdfg and 2/0. AGK [•] 21:34, 18 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion concerning PCPP

Statement by PCPP

Sigh, I consider this a bad faith attempt by Asdfg to rid of me. He was previously given a 6 month topic ban on the Falun Gong articles by AR on the evidence of numerous editors[117], in which Sandstein found him to be a [118] "single purpose account dedicated to editing articles related to Falun Gong so as to make that movement appear in a more favorable light, and that he has repeatedly participated in edit wars to that" and is "more committed to promoting Falun Gong than to our encyclopedic mission, which makes his contributions detrimental to that mission." Clearly, his editing patterns still reflect that.

The edit war on the List of wars and anthropogenic disasters by death toll article was again instigated by his problematic editing. The ordeal of Falun Gong in China is a contested topic, and Asdfg inserted controversial material classifying the repression of FLG as "genocide", a term not agreed by any serious sources on the topic such as scholar David Ownby, and human rights organizations such as Amnesty International. The source he used comes from a local court decision in Argentina and Falun Gong's own website, which fails RS. I noted these on the talk page, but Asdfg joined in by issuing personal attacks against me during a talk page discussion with another editor [119]. He referred to me as a "disruptive troll that does not care about the encyclopedia or any objective standard of research" and that I'm "here to push CCP propaganda and that's it."--PCPP (talk) 21:37, 18 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by others about the request concerning PCPP

Personally I find all this very unsavory. But I am involved, so I should probably speak up.

In my various interactions with PCPP, I have tried to hold my tongue and avoid accusations of bad faith. This is not because I have the slightest regard for this individual, though, or for his intentions. I have encountered this editor on several articles related to either Communist Party history or Falun Gong, and have found him to be exclusively concerned with massaging the image of the Communist Party and maligning Falun Gong, in spite of any facts that may stand in the way.

I cannot recall one instance in which he contributed in a productive way, let alone an objective way, to these articles. He mainly deletes content, and when challenged, he is typically unable to offer a reasonable defense for doing so. He does make numerous weak attempts to justify his edits, consuming much time; his recent reverts on List of wars and anthropogenic disasters by death toll is a good example of how he’ll delete with one excuse, and when it is shot down, he will simply embrace another justification for deletion, and another, and another... By the end, he is arguing that Falun Gong should not be on a list of genocides because the National Endowment for Democracy is an American propaganda agency, or because David Ownby has not said it is a genocide (even though Ownby states that he is not an expert on the human rights issues related to Falun Gong, but instead on the religious and historical context surrounding it). It's exhausting.

As inhumane as it may be, my problem is not with this editor’s ideological bias per se. Nor do I care that he has recently taken to accusing me of bad faith.[120] My problem is with the means he uses to advance his point of view, which include blanket and repeated reversions without discussion, editing against consensus, leveling personal attacks against editors who disagree with his aggressive behavior, misrepresenting sources, cloaking controversial edits under innocuous edit summaries, and deleting anything that does not comport with his view of the world.

I can imagine that cognitive dissonance is a difficult thing to live with. It’s hard to accept that Mao Zedong is not a saint, and that innocent people are victimized by the Communist Party. But I would recommend that the best way to cope is to try accepting facts, rather than deleting them from wikipedia in a vain and annoying attempt to shape the world to accord with one’s personal beliefs.

Asdfg was concerned that in filing this request for arbitration, PCPP would attempt to distract from his own behavior by drawing attention to Asdfg’s history. I was prepared to file this request in his stead, because I do not want the conversation to be derailed. I have wasted enough time unpacking the specious arguments that PCPP offers to support his indefensible position on these topics. Homunculus (duihua) 22:55, 18 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Analysis by Sandstein

I'll be taking a look at this if I have time over the next few days. This space is for my notes about the contested conduct.

List of wars and anthropogenic disasters by death toll (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views): The conflict between PCPP and Asdfg12345 concerns content added by Asdfg12345 that lists the persecution of Falun Gong among "genocides and alleged genocides". PCPP reverted this addition thrice, arguing that the sources were not reliable (and once without rationale), and Asdfg12345 reverted that removal twice. There has been belated talk page discussion. My opinion is that both editors are at fault, but that the conduct of Asdfg12345 is more problematic:

PCPP made the three reverts cited in the evidence with a very terse (or no) rationale, and without engaging in talk page discussion, thereby edit-warring.
Asdfg12345 made personal attacks against PCPP at [121] and at [122] (edit summary: "Go away."). Also, he added (and reverted to add) content that does not comply with WP:RS, because the sources he cites to support the estimated death toll, http://clearwisdom.net and http://eastofethan.com, are self-published and appear to have an agenda in the conflicts surrounding Falun Gong and/or the Chinese Communist Party, which makes them patently unsuitable as sources in this context. Sandstein 08:24, 19 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Broadly agree with the above. I'll add that I find this edit by Homunculus (talk · contribs) to be a violation of our biography of living people policy, inasmuch it states that certain Chinese officials are "found guilty" of certain crimes when the sources, even if reliable, state merely that they were indicted/ordered to be arrested. Accordingly, in accordance with WP:BLPSE, I'm removing that sentence from the article and I'm further formally warning Homunculus on the relevant discretionary sanctions. T. Canens (talk) 09:41, 19 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Result concerning PCPP

This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above.

The instructions for AE requests require that a list of diffs of allegedly sanctionable edits be provided. Because this request does not include any such diffs, I intend to close it as not actionable without any consideration on the merits. Sandstein 22:11, 18 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

While I agree that, paraphrasing one of my favorite analogies, admins "are not like pigs, hunting for truffles buried in" editor contributions, in this case the allegedly sanctionable diffs is readily accessible from the page history of List of wars and anthropogenic disasters by death toll at [123]. I therefore do not consider the omission fatal to this request. However, I think it is necessary for us to consider the conduct of all parties here. T. Canens (talk) 23:30, 18 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Shrike

Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.

Request concerning Shrike

User requesting enforcement: Passionless -Talk 08:41, 19 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: Shrike (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Sanction or remedy that this user violated: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Palestine-Israel articles#Remedies

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

[124] One in a long list of complete reverts, hours later, Shrike was formally warned of ARBPIA -assumptions of bad faith, edit warring
[125] This revert was made less than 24hours after Shrike's last revert by User:Banu hoshech who was quickly blocked as a suspected sock of Shrike's as seen here-Breaking 1RR.
[126] Reverted my work when I broke no policies -assumptions of bad faith, edit warring
[127] Reverted my work when I broke no policies -assumptions of bad faith, edit warring
[128] Canvassing a few days before warning
[129] Blanking - disruptive, not working towards consensus
[130] One of his first reverts of my work- he called me a vandal in his edit summary. He has also called Pixise a vandal here, and Usama707 a vandal twice- [131], [132], among other editors-[133],[134].-Personal attacks

Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)

[135] Warning of policies he was breaking on the article Refaat Al-Gammal by Passionless (talk · contribs)
[136] Warning of general disruptive edits by Pexise (talk · contribs)
[137] Warning of calling edits vandalism by Duk (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)
[138] Warning of ARBPIA by HJ Mitchell (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)

Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction): Permanent block, or permanent topic ban, the latter probably more appropriate

Additional comments by editor filing complaint: I'm not sure how much detail is needed, so I only posted the diffs that happened after or very soon before his warning from HJ Mitchell. By looking at the revision history of Refaat Al-Gammal, one will see this has been going on between Shrike and I for awhile, and before that between Shrike and Usama707. I realize I was edit warring, but while this was happening I was adding compromise text to the article to try and settle it, I added the sources, [139], [140], [141], [142], [143], [144], shrike demanded even though I can only speak English, and I went to Third Opinion, while I saw absolutely no good faith at all from Shrike. If relevant, but old edits of Shrike's would be appropriate to add, or if you want all reverts done by Shrike to Refaat_Al-Gammal posted here, let me know and I will come back and do that. Thanks, Passionless -Talk 08:41, 19 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested: Served

Discussion concerning Shrike

Statement by Shrike

Comments by others about the request concerning Shrike

Result concerning Shrike

This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above.

[1] The administrator may indicate consent at any time before, during, or after imposition of the restriction.

[2] This criterion does not apply if the original action was imposed as a result of rough consensus at the arbitration enforcement noticeboard, as there would be no single enforcing administrator.

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[b]

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 :*PCPP made the three reverts cited in the evidence with a very terse (or no) rationale, and without engaging in talk page discussion, thereby edit-warring.
 :*Asdfg12345 made personal attacks against PCPP at [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:List_of_wars_and_anthropogenic_disasters_by_death_toll&diff=414665466&oldid=414663048] and at [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_wars_and_anthropogenic_disasters_by_death_toll&diff=414664684&oldid=414652453] (edit summary: "Go away."). Also, he added (and reverted to add) content that does not comply with [[WP:RS]], because the sources he cites to support the estimated death toll, http://clearwisdom.net and http://eastofethan.com, are self-published and appear to have an agenda in the conflicts surrounding Falun Gong and/or the Chinese Communist Party, which makes them patently unsuitable as sources in this context. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:Sandstein|<font style="color:white;background:blue;font-family:sans-serif;">'''&nbsp;Sandstein&nbsp;'''</font>]]</span></small> 08:24, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
+::*Broadly agree with the above. I'll add that I find [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_wars_and_anthropogenic_disasters_by_death_toll&diff=prev&oldid=414672602 this edit] by {{user|Homunculus}} to be a violation of our [[WP:BLP|biography of living people policy]], inasmuch it states that certain Chinese officials are "found guilty" of certain crimes when the sources, even if reliable, state merely that they were indicted/ordered to be arrested. Accordingly, in accordance with [[WP:BLPSE]], I'm removing that sentence from the article and I'm further formally warning Homunculus on the relevant discretionary sanctions. [[User:Timotheus Canens|T. Canens]] ([[User talk:Timotheus Canens|talk]]) 09:41, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
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