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The contentious topic restriction was imposed (or last renewed) more than a year ago and:
- the restriction was imposed by a single administrator, or
- the restriction was an indefinite block.

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a clear consensus of uninvolved administrators at AE,
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Any administrator who revokes or changes a contentious topic restriction out of process (i.e. without the above conditions being met) may, at the discretion of the Arbitration Committee, be desysopped.

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On community review

Uninvolved administrators at the arbitration enforcement noticeboard ("AE") and uninvolved editors at the administrators' noticeboard ("AN") should revoke or modify a contentious topic restriction on appeal if:

the action was inconsistent with the contentious topics procedure or applicable policy (i.e. the action was out of process),
the action was not reasonably necessary to prevent damage or disruption when first imposed, or
the action is no longer reasonably necessary to prevent damage or disruption.

On Arbitration Committee review

Arbitrators hearing an appeal at a request for amendment ("ARCA") will generally overturn a contentious topic restriction only if:

the action was inconsistent with the contentious topics procedure or applicable policy (i.e. the action was out of process),
the action represents an unreasonable exercise of administrative enforcement discretion, or
compelling circumstances warrant the full Committee's action.

^ The administrator may indicate consent at any time before, during, or after imposition of the restriction.
^ This criterion does not apply if the original action was imposed as a result of rough consensus at the arbitration enforcement noticeboard, as there would be no single enforcing administrator.

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ask the enforcing administrator to reconsider their original decision;
request review at the arbitration enforcement noticeboard ("AE") or at the administrators’ noticeboard ("AN"); and
submit a request for amendment at the amendment requests page ("ARCA"). If the editor is blocked, the appeal may be made by email through Special:EmailUser/Arbitration Committee (or, if email access is revoked, to arbcom-enwikimedia.org).

Modifications by administrators

No administrator may modify or remove a sanction placed by another administrator without:

the explicit prior affirmative consent of the enforcing administrator; or
prior affirmative agreement for the modification at (a) AE or (b) AN or (c) ARCA (see "Important notes" below).

Administrators modifying sanctions out of process may at the discretion of the committee be desysopped.

Nothing in this section prevents an administrator from replacing an existing sanction issued by another administrator with a new sanction if fresh misconduct has taken place after the existing sanction was applied.

Administrators are free to modify sanctions placed by former administrators – that is, editors who do not have the administrator permission enabled (due to a temporary or permanent relinquishment or desysop) – without regard to the requirements of this section. If an administrator modifies a sanction placed by a former administrator, the administrator who made the modification becomes the "enforcing administrator". If a former administrator regains the tools, the provisions of this section again apply to their unmodified enforcement actions.

Important notes:

For a request to succeed, either

(i) the clear and substantial consensus of (a) uninvolved administrators at AE or (b) uninvolved editors at AN or

(ii) a passing motion of arbitrators at ARCA

is required. If consensus at AE or AN is unclear, the status quo prevails.

While asking the enforcing administrator and seeking reviews at AN or AE are not mandatory prior to seeking a decision from the committee, once the committee has reviewed a request, further substantive review at any forum is barred. The sole exception is editors under an active sanction who may still request an easing or removal of the sanction on the grounds that said sanction is no longer needed, but such requests may only be made once every six months, or whatever longer period the committee may specify.
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All actions designated as arbitration enforcement actions, including those alleged to be out of process or against existing policy, must first be appealed following arbitration enforcement procedures to establish if such enforcement is inappropriate before the action may be reversed or formally discussed at another venue.

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Arbitration enforcement action appeal by Supreme Deliciousness

Appeal declined.

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Procedural notes: The rules governing arbitration enforcement appeals are found in this 2010 ArbCom motion. According to that motion, a "clear, substantial, and active consensus of uninvolved editors" is required to overturn an arbitration enforcement action.

To help determine any such consensus, involved editors may make brief statements in separate sections but should not edit the section for discussion among uninvolved editors. Editors are normally considered involved if they are in a current dispute with the sanctioning or sanctioned editor, or have taken part in disputes (if any) related to the contested enforcement action. Administrators having taken administrative actions are not normally considered involved for this reason alone (see WP:UNINVOLVED).

Appealing user: Supreme Deliciousness (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) –

Sanction being appealed: Extent of the topic ban, want an amendment (suggestion below)

Administrator imposing the sanction: HJ Mitchell (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)

Notification of that administrator: [1]

Statement by Supreme Deliciousness

I was blocked for 24hours, and on top of that later given a 2 months topic ban from all Arab-Israeli conflict articles as a result of this enforcement: [2]

The enforcement is about me doing several reverts at Hezbollah.

I'm not saying that all my reverts there were right, they were not, but you have to take into consideration that I was reverting back to the consensus version according to the talkpage where GHcool was the only one who wanted to have the cat, and everyone else did not.

This is not an excuse for what I did, but it has to be taken into consideration. I was also active on the talkpage and there was no problem with any of my comments or the content of my edits, only the amount of reverts.

Based on my reverts at Hezbollah, I don't believe that a 24 hour block and on top of that a 2 month topic ban from all Arab-Israeli articles are appropriate, the "punishment" does not fit the "crime". It is way out of proportion.

So I am suggesting an amendment to the topic ban:

Considering that I have already been blocked for 24hours.

That my 2 month topic ban is changed so its only for the Hezbollah article.

And on top of that, I'm put on a 1 rv per week restriction on all Arab-Israeli conflict articles for the duration of the two months topic ban from Hezbollah.

Reply to T. Canens: You don't think my suggestion is more fair?--Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 11:47, 25 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by HJ Mitchell

Statement by u n☯mi

This is where that WP:IPCOLL "battleground statistics" page could have come in handy, I don't off the top of my head recall how often SD has been found at fault for their approach to editing, this could be selective memory but I don't remember any recent actionable reports against the editor. In light of this I find the 2 month topic ban appearing punitive relative to the posited alternative of 1 revert per week on Arab-Israeli articles.

I hope the enforcing admin considers the merits of the alternate sanctions offered above. u n☯mi 16:51, 25 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by GHcool

Upon being blocked for edit warring (admittedly, against me), Supreme Deliciousness responded to the block by quoting the Gospel of Luke: "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing." In choosing this quote in the context of a dispute with a Jew, Supreme Deliciousness is guilty of not-so-suble anti-Semitism and a monstrous ego. Comparing one's self with Jesus on the cross, comparing Wikipedia administrators to Romans, and virtually calling me a Christ killer should be a disturbing sign of Supreme Deliciousness's lack of sincerity. Supreme Deliciousness's appeal should be denied. --GHcool (talk) 06:52, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion among uninvolved editors about the appeal by Supreme Deliciousness

If HJ Mitchell wants to modify the sanction, it is of course his prerogative. Otherwise, I'm not convinced that the two-month topic ban is so grossly excessive or fundamentally unfair that it exceeded the enforcing admin's discretion, and think that the appeal should be declined. T. Canens (talk) 19:59, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

@SD: Okay, I'll explain a bit more. The question at an appeal like this is not "what is the fairest sanction for this misconduct". Since fairness is a highly subjective concept, there may not even be an answer to that question. Rather, for each case of misconduct there is a range of reasonable sanctions that could have been imposed. All of them are fair; perhaps some are fairer than the others - again, it depends on the viewer. For us to intervene on the substantive (as opposed to the procedural) aspects of the sanction, you need to show that your sanction is outside that range of reasonable sanctions - in short, that the sanction is unreasonable. We will not, or at least should not, second-guess the enforcing admin on the fine details. T. Canens (talk) 12:42, 25 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. While I might not have imposed that ban myself, discretionary enforcement actions are called "discretionary" because the ArbCom has recognized that enforcing admins enjoy considerable discretion. Such actions should therefore not be modified except for compelling reasons, which are not presented here. Sandstein 21:15, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The complainant has not so much made a convincing argument as to why the initial sanction was excessive or unjustified, as he has tried to barter us down to a less severe level of restriction. He should do less of the second and more of the first in any future appeal. Decline. AGK [•] 01:05, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Xebulon

Xebulon and Tuscumbia are topic-banned for 3 and 6 months respectively.

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Request concerning Xebulon

User requesting enforcement: Tuscumbia (talk) 21:51, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: Xebulon (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Sanction or remedy that this user violated: AA2, ethno-nationalistic battleground conduct

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

[3], the User Xebulon uses an extreme nationalistic and racist language to express his feelings on Azerbaijani editors such as Importantly, this casts doubt whether Wikipedia editors with Azerbaijani passports are fit to contribute to this encyclopedia. Keep this in mind and think twice when violating Wiki rules.
[4], please see incivil/disrespectful comments
[5], response to editor reporting him for violation of Wikiquette
[6], one of responses to an editor requesting him to use reliable sources
[7], a response to an admin placing tags in the article with POV reference to Azerbaijan
[8], another emotional response

Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)

[9] Warning by Tuscumbia (talk · contribs)
[10] Warning by Tuscumbia (talk · contribs)
[11] Warning by Tuscumbia (talk · contribs)
[12] Warning by Pol430 (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)
[13] Warning by Ronz (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)
[14] Warning by Magog the Ogre (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)

Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction): WP:block

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

For some time now, the user has been engaged in edit-warring but apart from that he makes impolite and disrespectful remarks (diffs provided above). The last one he did on Caucasian Albania talk page Importantly, this casts doubt whether Wikipedia editors with Azerbaijani passports are fit to contribute to this encyclopedia. Keep this in mind and think twice when violating Wiki rules is completely of racist nature and unacceptable. The user has been warned against his conduct a number of times on various boards including one on Wikipedia:Wikiquette alerts but still continued to use inadequate language. Please take measures. Tuscumbia (talk) 21:51, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The response from Xebulon below is just another emotional collection of paragraphs. "Poor English"? Really? Since when? Birth? You are not here to judge the "authoritarian and repressive" country, but to assume good faith and be respectful to your fellow editors. And, please don't be misquoting what I wrote. My statement was "I am saying they are naturally biased, not necessarily because they have written and continue to write in favor of Armenian version of history but because they dismiss any reference to anything good Turkish/Turkic" in response to User MarshallBagramyan who dismissed and discredited Azerbaijani authors putting Armenian ones higher as if they were credible because their works were published in US. Authors of both Armenian and Azerbaijani heritage are likely to be biased no matter what. It's only natural, Hewsen being one of them.

Yes, you are trying to invent history here. Google Shusha and you'll see when it was founded. And yes, I have been topic banned but continued to edit and create many other articles. So what? Your account as well as accounts of several other users have been reported for edit-warring and in an SPI cases ([15], [16]) because these accounts were started at times when major puppeteers have been blocked and the new emerging accounts seemed to be quite professional in Wiki-editing and were a part of a coordinated effort. Reviewing one of the last cases on Meowy is good enough. Some accounts are related, some have the same behavioral patterns. Some of Meowy's and Andranikpasha's SPIs I filed were successful because the admins found the accounts were socks. Find me one substantial evidence where I have not assumed good faith. Tuscumbia (talk) 15:42, 25 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, Ashot that notice was placed on Wikiquette alerts due to your comment here [17] in reference to an editor. Tuscumbia (talk) 15:46, 25 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Xebulon, not sure what you mean by The misspelled word "invent" suggests that User:Tuscumbia undoes the good edits frivolously and mindlessly, simply by "driving-by." below. It's just a misspelled word and your argument does not make any sense. By the same token, are you are here by "driving-by" as well? Anyhow, I understand you're trying to evade the subject of this report by these additions [18], [19], [20], [21], [22], [23] to the report, but please take a look at why this report originated. If you need to file a report against me with all those accusations, please feel free to start a new one. This report is related to your ethno-nationalistic battleground conduct. Thank you. Tuscumbia (talk) 16:56, 25 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

There is no "ethno-nationalistic battleground conduct." Some people may hold a hypothesis that Azerbaijani citizens are encouraged by their government to advance POV views and spread these views in forums like Wikipedia. Foreign governments where the Internet is censored, like in Azerbaijan, may induce Wikipedia editors to behave in a certain way. See here how China does that: [24].

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested: [25]

Discussion concerning Xebulon

Statement by Xebulon

User:Tuscumbia is an abusive account that apparently found a new way of edit warring: reporting his opponents to administrators by falsely accusing them of transgressions that he himself was accused of several times recently. His usual mode of operations include making frivolous and untrue accusations against his opponents [26], and then showcasing these false warnings as a record of purportedly improper conduct. Because of his poor English, User:Tuscumbia does not understand the flow of discussion, and unreasonably considers some remarks as offensive.

Most of what User:Tuscumbia does in Wikipedia can be qualified as Wikipedia:Tendentious editing, and his most common pattern of disruptive behavior is Refusal to "get the point" as described here in the Rules [[27]]. User:Tuscumbia is constantly enveloped in perpetuated disputes by sticking to an unsupportable allegation (see here: [28] and here [29]). This irritates good-faith editors, provoking them to engage in controversial conduct. Another characteristic of User:Tuscumbia is Wikipedia:WikiBullying; this also raises the heat in a debate and provokes good-faith editors.

I commented on a well-known fact that Azerbaijan is an authoritarian and repressive country as categorized by Freedom House, Amnesty International and Transparency International. Azerbaijani state limits public access to the Internet (see former President Clinton’s remarks here: [30], and its leadership made public statements inviting its citizens to attack Armenians in public Internet-based forums. My remark is not incivility or ethno-nationalistic battleground conduct. However, I regret if it may have sounded that way. In China, which manages and often directs Wikipedia involvement of its citizens, state agents modified an article on a Nigerian poet, see here: [31]. Disturbed by POV-pushing tactics by User:Tuscumbia, I just hypothesized that a similar situation may be in play here too since Azerbaijan evidently censors Wikipedia as well.

Despite this, User:Tuscumbia himself makes offensive, ethnically-motivated attacks on his opponents. Talking about Wikipedia editors and Armenian authors, User:Tuscumbia says here [32]: “I am saying they [Armenians] are naturally biased.” Here [33] he says: “And, please, for the love of God, don't refer to Hewsen. Why would he ever write anything in favor of Azerbaijan, Baku or Azerbaijanis considering the fact that he's of Armenian heritage and quite possibly biased.” User:Tuscumbia attacks reputed academics for their alleged (and unconfirmed, by the way) Armenian identity. This is a typical ethno-nationalistic battleground conduct.

User:Tuscumbia continuously removes well-sourced, good-faith edits (here: [34]), complementing his acts of vandalism with such uncivil remarks: “what exactly are trying to ionvent?” (see here: [35]). The misspelled word "invent" suggests that User:Tuscumbia undoes the good edits frivolously and mindlessly, simply by "driving-by."

User:Tuscumbia was blocked here [36], as early as in March 2010. Here, despite the warning, User:Tuscumbia continued edit warring and was warned more severely here [37]. Shortly thereafter he was topic-banned to edit article on Armenia and Azerbaijan for as many as three months here [38]. Then, User:Tuscumbia when emerged from this ban, went back to his habit of edit warring and blunt refusal to engage in civilized dialogue when invited to do so. User:Tuscumbia’s most widespread type of abuse are unreferenced reverts that he fails to address on talk pages. Here are the examples. When asked in discussions to present evidence from external sources or from stable Wikipedia articles, User:Tuscumbia evades dialogue [39].

The most recent notice of sanctions filed against User:Tuscumbia by a Wikipedia administrator accuses him of refusal to assume good faith (here [40]), after which User:Tuscumbia engaged in a meaningless refutation of his misdeeds. This is not the first time User:Tuscumbia engages in false attacks on his opponents [41]. Not surprising, this and that [42] frivolous reports were both dismissed. However, he then makes yet another frivolous request against me, here: [43], which was likewise naturally dismissed.

I suggest to block User:Tuscumbia for a serial lack of compliance with "Assuming Good Faith" requirement since it is evident that he allocates a good portion of his time to frivolously attacking other users. Xebulon (talk) 15:26, 25 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Sandstein, please reconsider your intention of temporary ban. As I noted above, I regret succumbing to Tuscumbia's provocative conduct, and promise to be extra vigilant as to the letter and spirit of Wiki regulations. Thanks in advance for your consideration. Xebulon (talk) 00:45, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by others about the request concerning Xebulon

Note: I have a personal experience of noticeboard misuse by User:Tuscumbia. See [44] (my last comment regarding his report on me and the whole discussion above). -- Ashot ^(talk) 15:26, 25 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:Tuscumbia routinely violates Wikipedia:Harassment by making editing Wikipedia unpleasant for the targets of his attacks; he tries to undermine them, to frighten them, or to discourage them from editing entirely. Xebulon (talk) 16:23, 25 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Result concerning Xebulon

This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above.

Waiting for statement by Xebulon. Sandstein 08:05, 25 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Xebulon: Your statement is mostly beside the point per WP:NOTTHEM. This is about you, not others. [45] is an unacceptable personal attack, as is much of your commentary about Tuscumbia above, and [46], "this casts doubt whether Wikipedia editors with Azerbaijani passports are fit to contribute to this encyclopedia", is far beyond the pale of acceptable conduct.
Tuscumbia: Your comments at [47], "Armenian authors ... are naturally biased ... because they dismiss any reference to anything good Turkish/Turkic", and at [48], "Why would he ever write anything in favor of Azerbaijan, Baku or Azerbaijanis considering the fact that he's of Armenian heritage and quite possibly biased", are likewise unacceptable.
Both: Entering into conflicts about either editors or sources on the basis of any ethnic, national or other background, rather than on the basis of their individual reliability or the strength of their arguments, is entirely at odds with WP:NPOV and WP:NOT#BATTLE, as well as strongly morally objectionable, and is exactly the sort of misconduct that this remedy was intended to prevent. Therefore, if no administrator objects, I intend to ban Xebulon for three months and Tuscumbia for six months from editing the topic. Tuscumbia's ban is set to be longer because he has already been subject to a three months ban in 2010 for similar misconduct. Sandstein 00:18, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Xebulon: You clearly cannot collaborate effectively on articles within this subject area. Your topic ban will allow you to put your editing abilities to good use on articles that are not as heated. I second Sandstein's proposed action. AGK [•] 01:10, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Sandstein's proposed sanctions sound reasonable to me. T. Canens (talk) 07:41, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
OK. In enforcement and application of Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan 2#Amended Remedies and Enforcement, therefore, Xebulon (talk · contribs) and Tuscumbia (talk · contribs) are topic-banned from Armenia and Azerbaijan, including notably any conflicts with other countries or peoples, as defined at WP:TBAN. Tuscumbia's ban lasts for six months and Xebulon's ban lasts for three months. Sandstein 10:51, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

AnonMoos

AnonMoos is notified under WP:ARBPIA. No other action taken. EdJohnston (talk) 17:49, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Request concerning AnonMoos

User requesting enforcement: ZScarpia 13:21, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: AnonMoos (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Sanction or remedy that this user violated: Wikipedia:WikiProject_Arbitration_Enforcement/Israel-Palestine_articles - 1RR addendum.

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

Between 08:18, 25 January 2011 and 03:19, 26 January 2011, a period of less than twenty-four hours, AnonMoos edited the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine article three times. I think that reverts were made in the second and third of these edits.

[49] : First edit by AnonMoos. No reversion involved. NickCT then reverted AnonMoos.
[50] : First revert by AnonMoos. Text removed by NickCT re-added.
[51] : Second revert by AnonMoos. Altered text elsewhere in the article.

Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)

Not applicable.

Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction): At arbitrator's discretion.

Additional comments by editor filing complaint: I alerted AnonMoos on his user talk page and on the article talk page that I thought he had exceeded the 1RR restriction on the article and gave him the opportunity to revert the last edit that he had made. The opportunity was turned down.

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested: Notification on user talk page.

Discussion concerning AnonMoos

Statement by AnonMoos

The second revert was technically a violation of 1RR, but ZScarpia himself made it impossible for me to change anything back (and also rendered my edits rather irrelevant) when he completely rewrote the sections in question. The third edit http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine&action=historysubmit&diff=410100018&oldid=410092551 wasn't a violation of anything, since it concerned text which was not involved in any of the earlier edits, and I really don't understand what ZScarpia is trying to say when it claims that it was a violations of something (what, I don't know, since obviously not 1RR). I also really don't understand why ZScarpia has chosen to escalate to this level of bureaucracy, when he himself took actions which rendered my technical 1RR violation nugatory and otiose, while my third edit http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine&action=historysubmit&diff=410100018&oldid=410092551 obviously has no relevance to anything in particular here... AnonMoos (talk) 02:52, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by others about the request concerning AnonMoos

Interesting to note that ZScarpia is reporting someone for an edit he has "no problem with" [52]. Way to collaborate. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 15:02, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I would hold off on actioning this request for at least a further 12 hours, to allow AnonMoos to submit a statement, but I am inclined to sanction the respondent for combative editing by excluding him from this topic area for 7 days (enforceable by block if violated). Looking at the history of United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine, I see multiple reversions by AnonMoos - including ones with edit summaries such as "I'll find a source within a few days if you really want -- add a citation-needed tag if you must, but do not delete something which is a very important historical detail", which smacks of ownership. It seems to me that AnonMoos does not understand the consensus decision-making model, in that, when other editors disagree with him, his response is to blindly revert in order to preserve the preferred version. He should endeavour to work on this if he does not want to become a negative influence on this and other topic areas.
I have also, further to this complaint, asked ZScarpia to use edit summaries in future. Holding for 12 hours to await comment from AnonMoos. AGK [•] 16:46, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not concerned about that edit summary. It reads more of WP:PRESERVE than WP:OWN in my mind. I agree with Fut.Perf. on this one. henrik•talk 09:04, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The third diff is not a revert. Thus I see no violation of 1RR. - BorisG (talk) 16:54, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Has the word revert gained a special meaning as far as the ARBPIA 1RR limit is concerned? My understanding is that a revert includes anything which changes text previously added. In the case of the 3rd diff, existing text (which had been added shortly beforehand by me) has been reworded. ← ZScarpia 17:49, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No, if "anything which changes text previously added" were a revert, then every edit would be a revert. Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:56, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Looking further, I see no grounds for any sanction here. These three edits were his first to this article since one edit in November, and one in July. Only one of the recent edits is a revert, while the one in November (which also happened to be one) was quite obviously and undisputably justified and necessary. I see neither signs of "ownership" here (with five edits in half a year), nor edit-warring. Fut.Perf. ☼ 18:03, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

AnonMoos's third edit replaces text that was already present in the article, it doesn't just add new text. ← ZScarpia 18:08, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. That's a normal edit. Those never count as reverts. And it was a fairly trivial replacement at that. Fut.Perf. ☼ 18:10, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure what you mean by a normal edit (obviously not all edits replace pre-existing text without adding anything new), but I accept that the third edit didn't change the meaning of what pre-existed. If the replacement of existing text with other text which has the same meaning doesn't count as a revert then I apologise for wasting everybody's time. You say that the change was trivial and you're entitled to your opinion of course. I'll just comment that I've avoided making more trivial changes than that in order to avoid breaching the 1RR restriction.

A "revert" means any edit (or administrative action) that reverses the actions of other editors, in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material. The understanding I gained from previous cases was that a reversal meant any modification (that is, removal or replacing) of text that was currently in the article or the replacement of text which had previously been removed.

← ZScarpia 20:06, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

At the very least, AnonMoos should be sanctioned for using the words "nugatory and otiose" is his statement or perhaps given a barnstar. One of those 2 options. Sean.hoyland - talk 03:29, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

On the one hand, Sean provides two compelling options. On the other hand, the neutrality policy, which is is non-negotiable, calls us to provide sanctions or barnstars to both parties. C'est moi qui parle ... AgadaUrbanit (talk) 10:22, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Amusing to see yet another AE request where the non-definition of a revert is being discussed. Funny enough nobody was interested enough in fixing the policy. There was a RfC that got archived. Tijfo098 (talk) 22:46, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Result concerning AnonMoos

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Not seeing anything actionable here. Suggest close. Courcelles 18:07, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am concerned about the general approach of AnonMoos to this article, irrespective of the volume of reverts he made. AGK [•] 21:12, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

AnonMoos is not logged at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Palestine-Israel articles as having received the required notification for sanctions beyond the 1RR enforcement. If you want to formally notify him, or if he's on that list under a different name, then so be it, but if he's not, then the only sanctions we cna hand out would be for the 1RR, which I maintain saying he violated here is a real stretch. Courcelles 21:42, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Such notifications are not required under the terms of the community-imposed sanctions that are being cited in this complaint (see links at start of thread). But a formal notification is more in line with what is deserved here, certainly, so I think I'll impose that on AnonMoos and then allow somebody else to close this complaint as otherwise unactionable. Good thinking :). AGK [•] 12:02, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Arbitration enforcement action appeal by Tuscumbia

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Appealing user: Tuscumbia (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) – Tuscumbia (talk) 13:56, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sanction being appealed: Topic ban from Armenia-Azerbaijan related articles, imposed at [53], logged at [54]

Administrator imposing the sanction: Sandstein (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)

Notification of that administrator: [55]

Statement by Tuscumbia

In my understanding, the sanctions were imposed without sufficient review of the diffs/wikilinks provided.

The statement by admin Sandstein regarding User:Tuscumbia said:

Tuscumbia: Your comments at [56], "Armenian authors ... are naturally biased ... because they dismiss any reference to anything good Turkish/Turkic", and at [57], "Why would he ever write anything in favor of Azerbaijan, Baku or Azerbaijanis considering the fact that he's of Armenian heritage and quite possibly biased", are likewise unacceptable.

The review of the comments [58] and [59] posted by Sandstein were apparently reviewed only as provided, and not in the context of the discussion at Talk:Caucasian_Albania#WP:CHERRY. The replies by me were only responses to User:MarshallBagramyan's comments:

[60]: Were I not already acquainted with Brand's habit of surreptitiously removing any notion of Armenia or Armenians in these articles (the line on the partition of Armenia, of Mashots' credit for inventing the alphabet, etc.), I would have been far more indulgent in evaluating the validity of his points. But because I am so familiar with his edits and because his above arguments are so poorly formulated and poorly supported, I'm afraid that assuming good faith will not do us any good here. We all know that the works produced by scholars in Azerbaijan would not have a snowball's chance in hell in surviving a critical review, but to see them posted here in full, as if they're reliable sources, is a waste of time for all us serious editors who actually wish to improve this article.;
[61]: I object to using any and almost all Azerbaijani sources because they have an invariable vested interest to distort and misrepresent what the sources say. The fact that almost all their works reflect the position of official state propaganda and are published in Baku or elsewhere by themselves is enough to suggest that their works hold little to no academic value ...Armenian authors may be biased, yes, to their own side, which is natural. But for a few exceptions, they almost never let that compromise their academic standing;
[62]: ...The same cannot be said about those scholars working in Azerbaijan, who are apparently too preoccupied with attacking Armenians and too absorbed with trumpeting their own purported achievements. After independence, Azerbaijan's bold claims seem to have been magnified several fold, as they have been making even more grandiose and embarrassing assertions that would have ever been permitted in the USSR. If anything, we should be warier than ever to even consider consulting them for such sensitive topics

In addition to that, the word "naturally" in comments naturally biased in my statement reviewed by Sandstein is not to be interpreted in this context as "biased by nature" but as "of course" and "surely" as confirmation to MarshallBagramyan's own comment Armenian authors may be biased, yes, to their own side, which is natural at [63]. I know how to be civil and assume good faith regardless what kind of arguments and insults can come from the opposing users ([64], [65], [66]) and my comments were just misinterpreted and misunderstood.

I am requesting a thorough review of the discussion on Talk:Caucasian_Albania#WP:CHERRY to see a clearer picturer and lifting a topic-ban. I'm an auto-confirmed user by now with 298 created and extensively edited articles (with 267 of them being completely new), creating on an average of 1-3 good articles per day. Please re-consider your decision.

Response to BorisG: Boris, I agree and while the retraction of statements is a good recommendation, please note that my statements on the talk page provided as links above were replies and not original statements by me. The reason I am stating that is that a special entry needs to be made to Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan 2, specifying issues of discreditation and dismissal of authors and sources with the tone seen in Caucasian Albania talk page. Tuscumbia (talk) 18:51, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Response to Sandstein: With all due respect, Sandstein, I never use Wikipedia as a battleground. If I ever had, I wouldn't have survived until now. All my statements were in the form of replies. What can you tell to a person who discredits and dismisses authors from one side while crediting all from the other after you first inquire about his views [67]? Yes, it does matter if I said biased by nature or biased as a matter of course because the former represents prejudice, the latter confirmation of the statement by the other user. This detail can't be just overlooked. Tuscumbia (talk) 18:51, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Response to AGK: AGK, on your user page, you claim to be an Eguor administrator promising to "offer a fair hearing to editors who present a well-documented case that they've been mishandled in some way." Well, the previous case was not handled fairly or at least properly because not all the details were reviewed before the action was taken. Even the admin T. Canens mentioned the mistake.

Let me elaborate. The user A (me) filed a report on user B (Xebulon) for his ethno-nationalistic battleground conduct as recommended by the administrator Sandstein (See the diff [68]) since the quote used by User B (Importantly, this casts doubt whether Wikipedia editors with Azerbaijani passports are fit to contribute to this encyclopedia. Keep this in mind and think twice when violating Wiki rules) was of racist nature. So, when the reported user came back with 15 hasty edits on the report page trying to do anything to pull me in, he pasted the diffs of my responses to User C (MarshallBagramyan) only. So, this was not properly handled since the actual communication between User A and User C was not reviewed while the whole attention was concentrated on User A. Note that, the whole communication between me and MarshallBagramyan involved similar messages. So, singling me out is quite unfair. Therefore, either conduct of all 3 users (A, B, C) were to be reviewed under the Xebulon case, or only the reported one (Xebulon) should have been reviewed. Tuscumbia (talk) 14:02, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Sandstein

The appeal is unpersuasive and should be declined. Whatever others said may be grounds for sanctions against them, but does not make Tuscumbia's contributions less problematic. Likewise, it does not matter whether Tuscumbia meant to say that Armenians are biased by nature or biased as a matter of course. The problem is more broadly that by arguing about article content on the basis of generalizations rooted in nationalist prejudice rather than on the basis of the individual reliability of individual works, he misuses Wikipedia as a battleground for real-life conflicts. Making good content contributions, while laudable, does not exempt him from the requirement not to misuse Wikipedia as a battleground and is therefore not relevant to the sanction. Sandstein 18:31, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I would invite you to opine on my comment in the below section. AGK [•] 23:32, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It does not matter what exactly "naturally" means. The problem is more generally that by broadly disqualifying sources or other editors on the basis of their nationality, the sanctioned editors violated, among other applicable rules, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan 2#Users national background and neutrality: "Editors with a national background are encouraged to edit from a Neutral Point of View, presenting the point of view they have knowledge of through their experience and culture without aggressively pushing their particular nationalist point of view by emphasizing it or minimizing or excluding other points of view." Whether they did so in reply to others is immaterial. The behavior of these others can be examined if an AE request is brought against them (by users who aren't topic-banned), but any misconduct on the part of others is not grounds to grant this appeal. Sandstein 06:56, 28 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yup, that seems fair. AGK [•] 13:42, 28 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by (involved editor 1)

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Discussion among uninvolved editors about the appeal by Tuscumbia

I think expressions of prejudice regarding inherent biases of editors of a certain ethnic origin are disturbing. I think editors from both sides should not be allowed to resume editing of articles in the area of conflict until they retract those statements and repudiate those views. In my view, this approach should apply to both sides. - BorisG (talk) 17:04, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

When three uninvolved admins have agreed to the sanction, it's generally rather unlikely that it will be overturned on appeal at AE immediately afterwards barring some procedural mistake. Just saying... T. Canens (talk) 19:04, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I guess this appeal could be closed with no action. Wikipedia is vast, the appealer could still contribute outside their ban area. AgadaUrbanit (talk) 10:40, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Tuscumbia: Such statements as "Were I not already acquainted with Brand's habit of surreptitiously removing any notion of Armenia or Armenians in these articles" are so sweeping as to be useless. An appeal must, to be successful, have an evidenced explanation as to why the initial sanction was wrong and/or excessive. (Disclaimer: I supported, though did not implement, the initial sanction.) AGK [•] 12:00, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

AGK, hmm, I didn't really understand what you meant by Such statements as "Were I not already acquainted with Brand's habit of surreptitiously removing any notion of Armenia or Armenians in these articles" are so sweeping as to be useless. What do you mean by sweeping as to be useless? Tuscumbia (talk) 13:43, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I mean that the statement was a generalisation. It is a part of your argument but is not evidenced, and, as we cannot take your word for it, thus has to be discounted. You criticise me above for not giving you a fair hearing, but you haven't presented a convincing argument; as an Eguor administrator I will be fair, not a milquetoast. I do find your argument that "the word "naturally" in comments naturally biased in my statement reviewed by Sandstein is not to be interpreted in this context as "biased by nature" but as "of course" and "surely"" more convincing, however, and I would invite comment from other uninvolved administrators on the prospect that Sandstein may have misinterpreted Tuscumbia's remarks. AGK [•] 23:31, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Tuscumbia has a long record of dismissing and ridiculing well-known and well-reviewed Western academics sources solely because of their purported Armenian origin. I can bring examples if you deem it necessary. Xebulon (talk) 01:06, 28 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Result of the appeal by Tuscumbia

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Decline I see no reason to grant this appeal. "Everybody else was doing it too" isn't a valid argument. Tuscumbia's comments contributed to the toxic atmosphere, and so the ban should be upheld. The Wordsmith^Communicate 04:38, 28 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Decline -- It appears that Tuscumbia, like Xebulon, got topic-banned for some amazingly tactless remarks at Talk:Caucasian Albania. Editors who categorically denounce the books written by people of other ethnicities are viewed dimly here. The sanction appears correct, since there is no evidence of remorse that I can see. EdJohnston (talk) 07:25, 28 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Decline per EdJohnston and the others. AGK [•] 13:43, 28 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Decline per EdJohnston. Courcelles 13:44, 28 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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