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India

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Amit Malviya

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Fails WP:NPOL, Till date he has not won any election, he is just the head of the IT cell of the ruling party, whose job is to spread fake news all day long. You can also read about his fake news here. Youknow? (talk) 15:42, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. UtherSRG (talk) 13:22, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Neha Harsora

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Although, I am the page creator, I have nominated it for deletion given the background of G5 deletion of the previous version of this article, therefore necessitating a discussion on the deletion of this new version.

I firmly believe that Harsora is Notable now with her lead roles in Raazz Mahal, Udne Ki Aasha and also her pivotal roles in Thodasa Badal Thodasa Paani and Dhruv Tara – Samay Sadi Se Pare. She also had a pivotal role in the web series Fuh Se Fantasy. All of these roles make Harsora Notable. However, if any other editor has a different opinion, feel free to bring it here Ilovetvshows (talk) 12:35, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have added references which are reliable except for one reference from tellychakkar supporting Harsora's role in Sasural Simar Ka 2 (I have added this reference as it gave good information on Harsora's role in the show).Ilovetvshows (talk) 12:42, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Kalidas Madhu Sadhwani

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Couldn't find any sources proving existence; only websites mentioning him are Wikipedia mirrors, and a search on Google scholar gives nothing. Written by a user (Reims66) whose only four edits were about this person. None of the sources I went through when rewriting the Sultanate of Bijapur article even gave a passing mention, so even if this person did exist, I doubt many reliable academic sources are mentioning him or giving significant coverage. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 18:38, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Islamic heritage of Hyderabad

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Don't see the point of this article. The lead mostly talks about Hyderabad itself and the city's name, and the history section is just a brief overview of the area's history which is already covered extensively in history of Hyderabad. The rest, and majority of the article covers the Muslim architecture of Hyderabad, which is covered in Qutb Shahi architecture (the dynasty which built most of Hyderabad's notable Muslim architecture), list of mosques in Hyderabad, Heritage structures in Hyderabad, India, and Hyderabad#Landmarks. This article is very redundant with those other articles and doesn't serve any good purpose. There would be a better case for this article's existence if the sources treated this article's title as a distinct topic, but they do not. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 18:10, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tariq Chauhan

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In its current form, this biography of a living person makes no reference to anything that is said by third parties about the subject, and so does not satisfy general notability. The one reference is a press release which makes a passing mention of the subject, which is not independent coverage or secondary coverage. It states that the subject is the co-founder of EFS Facilities Services Group, but an article on that group has been deleted for lack of corporate notability, so there is no good redirect target. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:10, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Businesspeople, Companies, and India. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:10, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Written by a just-barely-autoconfirmed sleeper as copyright infringement from a press release. After that was stubbified, revdelled, and draftified and nobody was looking anymore, he pasted the same material back in, where it lasted until the past few hours. Should be speediable, and the only reason it isn't is because we let the good-hand socks of paid editors vote against reasonable countermeasures against advertising even as obvious as this. And, btw, EFS Facilities Group wasn't just deleted, it's currently heading very rapidly towards a blacklisting at DRV. —Cryptic 19:26, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sources in the bad revision—special:permalink/1187098514:
Source assessment table:
Source Independent? Reliable? Significant coverage? Count source toward GNG?
Pupic, Tamara (July 17, 2018). "Impact At Scale: Tariq Chauhan, Group CEO, EFS Facilities Services Group". Entrepreneur. No Statements come from the subject. No Churnalism. ? Has volume but a volume of churnalism is not a volume of significant coverage. ✘ No
Chauhan, Tariq (May 5, 2019). "The How-To: Family Relationships In A Business Setting". Entrepreneur. No WP:SPS of the WP:FORBESCON type + author is the subject. No WP:SPS No Self-published material is not *coverage* for it to be able to qualify as significant coverage. ✘ No
Staff Report. "EFS Group forays into its food and beverage business". Khaleej Times. No Repackaged press release sourced from the company of which the subject is CEO. No No Routine. ✘ No
East, Forbes Middle. "Top 50 Indian Executives In The Arab World 2018". Forbes ME. ? ? No No meaningful coverage. ✘ No
"Union Budget 2023-24: India goes for growth, slashes income tax". gulfnews.com. February 2023. No Churnalistic quote farm. No Can not be used to support any claims about the subject. No A quote of the subject of a biography is not *coverage* for it to be able to qualify as significant coverage. ✘ No
"Gulf's facilities management services keep getting shortchanged". gulfnews.com. 16 February 2022. No WP:SPS of the WP:FORBESCON type + author is the subject. No No Self-published material is not *coverage* for it to be able to qualify as significant coverage. ✘ No
John, Issac. "Sheikh Mohamed is the new President; excitement, expectations abound as UAE pivots to new era of growth". Khaleej Times. No Sycophantic-churnalistic quote farm. No insource:khaleejtimes gives thousands of results—something to think about. No A quote of the subject of a biography is not *coverage* for it to be able to qualify as significant coverage. ✘ No
Fernandez, Keith J. (April 14, 2022). "Ramadan 2022: how UAE residents are paying it forward". The National. No The material pertaining to the subject is a self-aggrandizing statement from the perspective of the company of which he is CEO. No nope No not ✘ No
"The younger generation is getting it wrong on work-life balance". gulfnews.com. 6 November 2022. No WP:SPS of the WP:FORBESCON type + author is the subject. No No Self-published material is not *coverage* for it to be able to qualify as significant coverage. ✘ No
"With risk and debt, business owners have to walk a fine line". gulfnews.com. 8 January 2023. No WP:SPS of the WP:FORBESCON type + author is the subject. No No Self-published material is not *coverage* for it to be able to qualify as significant coverage. ✘ No
East, Forbes Middle. "EFS Facilities Services Group". Forbes ME. No Paid "Brandvoice" section. No Paid content. No Ads are not coverage. ✘ No
"Winners Revealed for the Innovation in FM Awards 2022". Construction Business News Middle East. 2022-06-13. Retrieved 2023-05-04. ? Yes Subject won the non-notable award. No Just a mention. Evidence of a non-notable award. ✘ No
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WP:BEFORE does not reveal any further usable sources.
Delete per the source analysis and my BEFORE which did not yield any other sources that could demonstrate notability.—Alalch E. 21:18, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep I dont have a problem if the article is deleted if it has no merit. But why was the article blanked out just before the deletion nomination.

This a not a fair review process for deletion as the article was blanked out just before nomination.

Is this some kind of bullying thats going on? The guy is a billionaire and was voted as one of the most powerful businessman in the middle east multiple times.

I can find atleast a million article on wikipedia with not even 1/10th of his notability without any notifications whatsoever. This culture of selective bullying and harassment should stop(2409:4073:4EB1:118F:2D94:5D9B:3BCF:B604 (talk) 12:08, 19 July 2024 (UTC))[reply]

  • Comment - Allegations of selective bullying and harassment by unregistered editors with no evidence are usually ignored, even in conduct forums, and especially in content forums. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:12, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - No one is proposing to salt the title. The unregistered editor is welcome to create a new draft article that describes significant coverage of the subject, and to submit the draft for review. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:12, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - If the unregistered editor really thinks that there is a culture of selective bullying and harassment, they should report it at WP:ANI with evidence, after reading the boomerang essay. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:12, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1M1B

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Appears like one of the many organizations recognized by UN. However I find the article to be having notability issues. Inviting your comments. Thewikizoomer (talk) 18:02, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Doust (film)

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I cannot find any mention about this film, not even in the references in the article. I suspect it may be a spelling mistake and in that case a redirect to Dost (1944 film) would be called for. But that is my speculation. As it stands, without any real references, the topic fails WP:GNG Ruud Buitelaar (talk) 02:20, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hiten Dharpure

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Dharpure has achieved a couple of obscure records recognized by the "India Book of Records" and the "Worldwide Book of Records", neither publication notable enough to have their own Wikipedia articles. Given the number of newspaper clippings posted by the article's author at Commons (now mostly nominated for deletion as copyright violations), it is likely that this is an autobiography. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 11:52, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. No notability and blatantly COI. Procyon117 (talk) 17:53, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I found this on Instagram of Sakal News, liked by 7,647 people. [7] WikiDan404 (talk) 13:05, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not only is Instagram an unreliable source, but the amount of people who liked it is completely meaningless here. Procyon117 (talk) 15:45, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Respected Editor, That's Right. Actually I found this in his account on Facebook that he was felicitated twice by Hon'ble Union Minister of Road and Transport, Nitin Gadkari for his achievement that why I have added that.[8][9] The Editor committee (talk) 18:05, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

* Note to Closer. WikiDan404 account created 3 hours ago and Wikitopeople account created 22 hours ago have made no contribution to any other AFD. RangersRus (talk) 15:18, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Respected Editor @WikiDan61, Thanks for your review. I respect and follow the Wikipedia Rules and Policies, if it seems to be not eligible, so no problem. It's my pleasure that you worked for it. The Editor committee (talk) 17:09, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

* Note to Closer. Unknewed another new account created few hours ago and have made no contribution to any other AFD. RangersRus (talk) 19:30, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and do not delete It should not be deleted as everything is true with no false Information as given with Citations and has notability. Wikicontriiiiibute (talk) 12:02, 19 July 2024 (UTC)— Wikicontriiiiibute (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

TV9 Kannada

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Unsourced article. Literary found nothing that can help to support WP:GNG. Twinkle1990 (talk) 07:17, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

TV9 Bangla

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Only press releases. Literary found nothing that can help to support WP:GNG. Twinkle1990 (talk) 07:14, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

TV9 Gujarati

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Unsourced article. Literary found nothing that can help to support WP:GNG. Twinkle1990 (talk) 07:12, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kulwant Singh Rauke

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Disputed PROD. My rationale still stand, the subject fails WP:NPOL and there's no evidence that there's a passing of the criteria that constitutes WP:GNG either. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 21:41, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: The creator has made multiple similar articles which fail WP:NPOL, this should be deleted as well. Xoocit (talk) 09:13, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ditty (musician)

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"WP:N" Bulklana (talk) 19:57, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Girish Tanti

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WP:NOTRESUME. Fails WP:GNG WP:BASIC. Initially, I tried to draftify the page, but there is already a rejected draft in existence. Charlie (talk) 15:41, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Khais Millen

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Immediately refunded after soft deletion in 2023 but no change to address concerns in first AfD. Film writer/director who does not pass WP:GNG, WP:NCREATIVE, WP:NBIO. Most sources are [WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS]] if they mention him at all; there's an interview that's a WP:PRIMARYSOURCE and a single example of WP:SIGCOV that exhibits all the hallmarks of unreliable content of WP:NEWSORGINDIA. Not enough to pass. Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:44, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep: fairly meets WP:DIRECTOR AND WP:CREATIVE with at least 3 2 notable films directed and 3 2 written (not mentioning the fact he produced. 2); the said films are notable creations that received independent and in-depth coverage mentioning him. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 16:18, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    What part of WP:DIRECTOR are you referring to with "three notable films"? (Only two films he has been involved in even have en-wiki pages and only one of those he directed.) The only criterion I could plausibly see cited is "The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work," but there's no evidence that any of his works are "significant or well-known." Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:23, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I consider his debut film as director notable enough. See coverage about it online. It has no page yet on WP, true. Added 2 links to the article. Writer: my bad, I had counted Lipstick, which is a short. Even if it's only two or even if it it was only one, he would pass both SNGs because these works can be considered significant, as coverage shows. I'll leave it at that as he is a really clear pass imv.-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 16:38, 16 July 2024 (UTC) (number of significant films; clarification: 3 or 4 films including 2 directed (Thala; and I count Aakashvani), 2 written (Adithattu and Thala, to which one can add again Aakashvani)); the 1st has received a significant award and is clearly significant imv).-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 16:51, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Actors and filmmakers, India, and Kerala. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 16:19, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment on the opening assertion in the nomination: sorry but no change to address concerns in first AfD is an inaccurate statement.-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 16:38, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Fine, no substantive change. The addition of WP:TRIVIALMENTION citations does not address the concerns in the AfD. Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:57, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I beg to differ. If those mentions (trivial or not) allow to verify he had an essential role in notable productions they do address the concerns, especially as one mentioned the award for Best Second film that was not mentioned before, unless I am mistaken. I remember checking them (or even adding some) myself back then. I should leave it at that that, as I had said, sorry. Thanks, anyway. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 17:07, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

News9 Plus

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AfDed per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/News9Live Twinkle1990 (talk) 15:46, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy delete WP:G4 BrigadierG (talk) 21:00, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Indian prime ministerial firsts

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WP:NOTTRIVIA, does not meet WP:LISTN. Along the same lines as Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of United States vice presidential firsts. signed, Rosguill talk 13:47, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per lack of capacity for reasonable WP:SELCRIT. On this day, the Indian prime minister became the first in history to eat a donut which contained a jam filling and brown sprinkles before 9am on the 2nd day of february while wearing a yellow turban... BrigadierG (talk) 21:05, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Going with your logic shouldn't we just delete List of Mexican presidential firsts, List of Philippine presidential firsts, and List of United States presidential firsts as well? — Hemant Dabral (📞 • ✒) 01:42, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, probably. BrigadierG (talk) 20:11, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, there is a significant coverage about the Indian prime ministerial firsts. — Hemant Dabral (📞 • ✒) 01:35, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Which sources do you have in mind? signed, Rosguill talk 12:09, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Purely going by the fact that List of United States presidential firsts exists and the article is on similar lines to that. Xoocit (talk) 08:46, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That article should likely also be deleted, although it is possible that coverage exists to meet WP:LISTN there so it would require patiently working through its mountain of sources first. WP:OSE signed, Rosguill talk 12:08, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Curbon7 (talk) 21:54, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

EPACK Prefab

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Promotional company page, fails WP:NCORP. Trivial sources only. Old-AgedKid (talk) 09:51, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Manorathangal

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References are brief mentions, WP:NEWSORGINDIA, or otherwise unreliable. Draftified previously but disputed as well as notability tag disputed. Would suggest a redirect to ZEE5. CNMall41 (talk) 19:28, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is a landmark project in Indian cinema. It's bizarre that someone finds it irrelevant. Would you suggest that The Irishman produced by Netflix should simply redirect to Netflix? Filmy World (talk) 15:15, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Many reliable citations are added there is no need of deletion of merging Zyzwvw (talk) 15:24, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

NIILM School of Business

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Entirely unsourced. Fails WP:V, Fails WP:NORG. Rankings are not notability nor verification. WP:BEFORE finds nothing. WP:ADMASQ. Would have used CSD or PROD except for its age. I believe it deserves a discussion, not summary deletion. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 17:44, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nenjathai Killadhe (2014 TV series)

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Fails WP:GNG; sources are limited to tabloid coverage excluded per WP:SBST and WP:USERGENERATED sources. Dclemens1971 (talk) 14:59, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pukaar – Dil Se Dil Tak

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I am neutral in this filing but feel a consensus is needed here than deleting the page and redirecting, given that this is an ongoing tv show which satisfies WP:TV. Also I don't find any issues with the current sources of this article, only thing is that more WP:RS sources should be added. Editingmylove (talk) 06:43, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rewant Ram Danga

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Clearly fails WP:NPOL. He contested the Rajasthan Assembly Elections in the year 2023 from Khinwsar Assembly constituency. In which he was defeated. Youknow? (talk) 06:55, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.livehindustan.com/assembly-elections/rajasthan-elections/constituency/khinwsar-110/
Check this news to verify that he contested the Rajasthan Assembly Elections in the year 2023 for Khinwasar Assembly Constituency. TejalGraphics (talk) 07:22, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@TejalGraphics The point is that he contested but didn’t win. Politicians aren’t presumptively notable by virtue of their candidacy in an election. They have to, at least, win the notable position they contested for. If they don’t win and they pass the general notability guideline, then that’s a different case. Neither is the case for Danga. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 10:03, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

NIILM University

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This fails WP:NORG. A WP:BEFORE revealed no useful potential references. The current references are one of: a) By NIILM, b) Announcements by NIILM, c) listings showing it exists. Private Universities do not get a free ride. WP:GNG failure, and WP:ADMASQ 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 18:11, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Im one of the student of this university and since 2011 the university starts Naduz (talk) 19:53, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Naduz I hope you enjoy studying there and have a successful future career. The reference you quote is as stated in my nomination. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 21:00, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello,
So what to do ? Naduz (talk) 02:59, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What more do I have to share? Naduz (talk) 03:20, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The sources are reliable? Naduz (talk) 03:42, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It is a university near where I live. Wiki-CBO (talk) 05:14, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It is a private university recognized by the Directorate of Higher Education Haryana Government.
The university is listed on of the Directorate of Education Board, Government of Haryana
https://www.highereduhry.ac.in/forms/WebPages/Universities#Pvt Wiki-CBO (talk) 05:18, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Wiki-CBO Please don't just suggest things that fail. The reference you quote is as stated un my nomination. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 10:05, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can you please tell me what should I share? Wiki-CBO (talk) 13:54, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Wiki-CBO Nothing. But you may seek to improve the article. WP:HEY may interest you. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 16:37, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please suggest me what will i improve the article? Wiki-CBO (talk) 17:45, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Wiki-CBO With respect, the nomination is clear. Editing the article to remove those concerns is likely to sway the discussion in its favour. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 17:52, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I removed social media links from article Wiki-CBO (talk) 18:04, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I removed all my contribution of the university Wiki-CBO (talk) 19:11, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is very informative article is there in Kaithal and a large number of alumnus have studied here. 2409:40F3:1D:6253:50D7:89FF:FE71:7BF6 (talk) 06:46, 16 July 2024 (UTC) — 2409:40F3:1D:6253:50D7:89FF:FE71:7BF6 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
Got WP:RS
Voter Aawareness Program held at NIILM University.
https://www.bhaskar.com/local/haryana/kaithal/news/voter-awareness-program-held-at-niilm-university-132025861.html Naduz (talk) 16:41, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Showing Results in
University Grants Commission (India)
https://www.ugc.gov.in/universitydetails/Private_university_other?id=613
•Khelo India University Games 2023 medals tally: Full list of winners, NIILM University is listed 111.
https://olympics.com/en/news/khelo-india-university-games-2022-medals-tally-kiug-winners-list
•Going by the Haryana Private Universities Act 2006, an application containing the proposal and the project report with proof of land to establish a university in private sector has to be made by the sponsoring body to the government, along with nonrefundable fee of Rs 10 lakh. An application to set up a private university at Palwal in Faridabad was received on June 16, 2009, from NIILM Education Trust, Faridabad, along with the fee, but the Trust changed the location from Palwal to Kaithal during the presentation of the case on January 4, 2010.
https://www.hindustantimes.com/punjab/51-teachers-in-4-haryana-pvt-varsities-were-grads-or-less/story-pZ0ZxaU7UXozOHe5jkc0qL.html :Naduz (talk) 16:48, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
•Management of NIILM University booked for submitting ‘bogus’ papers to get scholarship.
https://indianexpress.com/article/education/management-of-niilm-university-booked-for-submitting-bogus-papers-to-get-scholarship-5330156/ Wikibuddys (talk) 14:30, 19 July 2024 (UTC)— Wikibuddys (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
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Fashion of Radhika Merchant

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Wikipedia is not a newspaper. WP:NOTNEWS Youknow? (talk) 16:28, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jayati Devi

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No indication that this person is notable per the current sourcing (which is not significant coverage), nor by her association with her husband, nor as a model/artist/musician. The article is part of a walled garden about the Munshi/Munsi extended family. A BEFORE search revealed nothing about this Jayati Devi (only about others). Fails WP:GNG and WP:CREATIVE. Bringing it here for the community to decide. Netherzone (talk) 15:57, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sitaare Zameen Par (film)

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Nominated per WP:TOOSOON. Adnan (ᵀᵃˡᵏ) 14:25, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 Myanmar Air Force Shaanxi Y-8 crash

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Per WP:NOTNEWS. From what I've been able to find, the majority of sources are primary with a lack of/no reliable secondary sources. The event does not have in-depth nor continued coverage coverage. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 12:46, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References are in the articles and sources are out there. My question was for the references. The continued coverage requirement is important, however, it takes time until media get back to an event. This one happened in 2024. gidonb (talk) 21:26, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Regarding the accident, pretty much all references are primary without any analysis of the event.
Per WP:NTEMP: "While notability itself is not temporary, from time to time a reassessment of the evidence of notability or suitability of existing articles may be requested by any user via a deletion discussion, or new evidence may arise for articles previously deemed unsuitable. Thus, an article may be proposed for deletion months or even years after its creation, or recreated whenever new evidence supports its existence as a standalone article." Aviationwikiflight (talk) 17:20, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. The most recent news i could find were from 1 day after the accident.
Scs52 (talk) 14:41, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

MFK Award for Favourite Male Playback Singer

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Reviewed during NPP. No indication of wp:notability under GNG or SNG. An award for playback singers issued by a TV channel. North8000 (talk) 01:36, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Life and Religion of Mohammed

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Fails WP:NOTBOOK. I can find no sources on the book or the author of the book, other than catalogue or sales listings. Article has been tagged for notability since 2012. Johnj1995 (talk) 04:05, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sreenidhi Institute of Management and Science

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I cannot find any independent, substantive coverage about this institute. Their FB-page was discontinued in 2014. Fails WP:NORG Ruud Buitelaar (talk) 03:20, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ratra

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Does not meet WP:GNG. There does not appear to be any coverage of this subject outside of unreliable British Raj-era gazetteers. Searching on Google Scholar, Books, and online, I was able to find unrelated references to the name/term "Ratra" ([31]) but nothing relevant. signed, Rosguill talk 22:00, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

King (rapper)

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This was here once before and the result was to redirect as the subject was deemed to not be sufficiently notable on their own, but it seems some folks keep trying to turn it into an article, so here we are again. "First Indian pop star to walk the red carpet at Cannes" seems like a desperate attempt to establish notability over a random intersection of events, seeing as Cannes is a film festival, not a music festival. I think this should either be restored to a redirect or preferably, just deleted. If either of those is done it should also be salted until such time as someone is able to produce a draft article that actually has significant coverage from reliable sources. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 20:13, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete and salt. Nothing notable here. I don't even know if WP:BLP1E would apply here for that last sentence, if it is indeed a desperate attempt at notability. Aside from the sources already in the article and links to his music, I can't find much else. I also get more hits about other people, especially another rapper by the name of Chris King. Procyon117 (talk) 14:20, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gender Park

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Fails WP:ORG, lacks in-depth coverage (WP:CORPDEPTH) in reliable independent sources. References are routine news reports about individual initiates when it was inaugurated. The organization itself lacks sufficient coverage. Government organization has no inherent notability, WP:ORGSIG. Gan Favourite (talk) 15:40, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kerala Institute of Local Administration

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Fails WP:ORG, lacks in-depth coverage (WP:CORPDEPTH) in reliable independent sources. WP:PRIMARY references are used for sourcing. The content is mostly copied from the official website. Govt organizations are not automatically notable (WP:ORGSIG). Gan Favourite (talk) 15:21, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WhatsApp University

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The term is indeed used in India. However, I don't think it has scope beyond a definition. It can be easily integrated in Fake news in India#Modes of distribution (WP:CFORK). Although start-class, it pretty much looks like a future repository for dumping all fake news spread on WhatsApp. For serious cases, there is already Indian WhatsApp lynchings. Gan Favourite (talk) 14:31, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Aangan Ke Laxmi

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Reviewed during NPP. No indication of wp:notability under GNG or SNG. In fact there not even enough sourcing ( or content) to figure out what this is about. Appears to be a mashup of two different films with similar names. Aangan Ke Laxmi and Aangan Ki Laxmi Info box says 1986 film but the only two sources that actually discuss it are short "future film" type pieces from a couple years ago. Found nothing in a search for Aangan Ke Laxmi North8000 (talk) 18:45, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Comment: It appears there have been a few mixups here. It looks like Aangan Ke Laxmi (the article title) is a 1986 film (entirely non-notable); see this mention in a book bibliography. Sources 3 and 4 in the article are referring to a film called Aangan Ki Laxmi (sometimes Aangan Ki Lakshimi), which has more coverage and was released last year. Aangan Ki Laxmi probably meets NFILM/GNG (see [36][37][38] and on Google). It would be helpful here if the creator (NIA3000) clarifies what exactly this article is about or if the two films are related. If it is about the 1986 film, then I vote delete. Otherwise, I am not familiar enough with the topic to decide what to do here. C F A 💬 19:39, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment if the second film is notable, would Draftifying this help? Get it sorted out and publish back in mainspace with proper sourcing. Oaktree b (talk) 22:30, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That would be fine with me. But there's a lot to sort out, starting with the title. And there's not much to save. North8000 (talk) 13:55, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Shabana Shajahan Aryan

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Previously deleted and salted as Shabana Shajahan/Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shabana Shajahan * Pppery * it has begun... 00:46, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Khan Sir

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This stub about an Internet personality whose channel is education based was recently accepted at AFC. I believe it to be a borderline acceptance, which is fine of itself. AFC reviewers role is to accept drafts which they believe have a better than 50% chance of surviving an immediate deletion process. As a fellow AFC reviewer I believe that the subject is not verified to pass WP:BIO, and that the draft was below the acceptance threshold. On that basis I would not have accepted it. The referencing is independent, yes, but the content of the references is gossip column-like trivia, which simulates significant coverage, but which is not. I see the only way of resolving this is for the community to discuss it, hence AfD 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 13:36, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Education, Internet, and India. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 13:36, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: I am not going to vote here since my stance is clear, as I accepted the draft. At the time I saw the draft, it was not passing GNG, but I know the personality well and thought he might already have a Wikipedia article. When I found out he did not, I started to find significant coverages and added many that are currently cited. I respect Timtrent’s judgment, and we already discussed it on my talk page. We would like to get the community's views on the article. Lastly, I want to add that if the article can’t be kept, we can draftify it, as it has good sourcing, and the subject may gain more coverage to establish notability in the future. Happy editing. GrabUp - Talk 13:58, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Draftification is a perfectly acceptable outcome to me as nominator. I ought to have said that in the nomination. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 16:38, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep per WP:DONOTDEMOLISH - Subject has a reasonable claim to notability, and I don't see what draftifying would accomplish. ~Politicdude (About me, talk, contribs) 18:30, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - The BBC source says, to me at least, that the subject of the article does indeed pass WP:BIO. We have plenty of articles on internet educators, and this person is plenty notable in India. — That Coptic Guyping me! (talk) (contribs) 03:58, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Last vehicle board

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Doesn't seem to meet WP:N. Boleyn (talk) 18:48, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge The information is not with citations but it seem to be true and that can be merged. Wikicontriiiiibute (talk) 11:47, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Indians in Luxembourg

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Fails GNG, 2 of the 3 sources are dead. The estimated population is very small at around 1000, and no significant coverage of their contribution to Luxembourg society. LibStar (talk) 06:00, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think we should consider renaming this to the Indian Association of Luxembourg.
There appears to be significant sourcing for that at least.
[45] [46] [47] Bluethricecreamman (talk) 03:55, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
K added a few sources, but still not convinced its quite notable. This article still has massive amounts of texts that are unsourced. As far as I can tell, its mostly been anon IPs adding random bits of info. Bluethricecreamman (talk) 04:06, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If nobody else can find useful sourcing, i'll vote Delete Bluethricecreamman (talk) 06:02, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Bhimadeva

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MOS:DABMENTION requires "If the topic is not mentioned in the other article, that article should not be linked to in the disambiguation page". "Bhimadeva" is mentioned only in Bhima of Mahikavati, probably not a good target for a redirect. I suggest this page is deleted in order to enable uninhibited use of Search. A PROD was reverted by @Utcursch: with edit summary (https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&q=bhimadeva+caulukya) without editing any targeted article. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 18:00, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Manuel D'Lima

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Reviewed during NPP. No evidence of wp:notability under SNG or GNG. None of the sources are about him. Sources (and much of the content) are about taitrs. Material on him is just resume type material. North8000 (talk) 17:33, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's hard to answer with respect to what you are seeing because there have been 104 edits to the article since I nominated this. But I did evaluate them at the time. North8000 (talk) 18:52, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, a lot was added after you nominated this, including several refs, but much of it was WP:PROMO, fluff, repetition, and stuff about the genre of theatre that, I think, has no direct relevance to D'Lima's career. I tried to reduce the promo, cruft, repetition and tangential stuff, but someone else should review the refs to see if they actually discuss Liima's life or career at all. -- Ssilvers (talk) 23:10, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Mayank Shekhar

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Article does not meet WP:GNG and WP:JOURNALIST. Subject did receive an award Ramnath Goenka Award for Excellence in Journalism. Source 1 is a book review, source 2 is a blog, source 3 has a passing comment made by the subject himself, source 4 is a review by subject himself, source 5 is a bio written by subject himself, source 6 is more on bio written by subject himself, source 7 is a link to Ramnath Goenka Award and source 8 is a book written by subject himself. Many unreliable and primary sources here. Draftify would be an option to improve the page with secondary independent sources and remove primary sources like the reviews by the subject himself and the interview with the subject.RangersRus (talk) 15:39, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If the award is judged significant enough, he could meet WP:ANYBIO. If his books have received coverage that is judged sufficiently significant (including the review you mention, or https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/delhi/name-place-animal-thing-of-bollywood-trivia-popular-culture/articleshow/52685080.cms or https://www.spectralhues.com/news/bookreview-name-place-animal-thing-mayank-shekhar/), he might also meet WP:AUTHOR. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 17:56, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
TOI makes it under WP:NEWSORGINDIA. I still do not find his books a significant monument or been a substantial part of a significant exhibition or won wide significant critical attention by well known peers and critics in secondary independent sources. RangersRus (talk) 18:49, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
TOI falling under NEWSORGINDIA is an interpretation that I respect but with which I disagree in this case (not great journalism but not simply unreliable). The fact that the author of the book is one of the film critics of the Hindustan Times also indicates the article in the TOI should be rather independent.-- -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 19:53, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Mushy Yank: The article from TOI doesn't look like a review at all; it seems more like a promotional piece or an announcement. Additionally, the article was published by PTI. I don't think he meets WP:AUTHOR. GrabUp - Talk 16:12, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Indeed, I should have mentioned that I hapeen to have been the creator of this page many years back. I actually didn't even remember I was the one who created it, as I've created numerous pages for notable Indian film critics. As someone who has worked on Indian cinema-related articles, I can attest to the relevance of his reviews on dozens of film articles, including several FAs. Him being an author as well as the winner of a notable award only consolidates my position. Shahid • Talk2me 18:34, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    interviews are primary sources that needs to cite the truth of the statements unless attributed. RangersRus (talk) 11:51, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @RangersRus: Didn't undersrtand what you said here, please explain. Shahid • Talk2me 13:04, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Interviews are considered primary non-independent source. Independent sources helps to fairly portray the subject, without undue attention to the subject's own views. If you use interviews as source for any statement made by the subject then the subject's statements needs to be cited with secondary independent source as well. Wikipedia:Independent sources. RangersRus (talk) 14:19, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Shshshsh: The award “Ramnath Goenka Excellence in Journalism Awards” is given to over 20 people every year. Do you think this is an exclusive award that can make recipients notable? GrabUp - Talk 16:15, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Grabup: Yes; there are many notable awards which award several groups of individuals. Shahid • Talk2me 12:33, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Shshshsh: Hey, Thanks for the reply. Can you please name some! GrabUp - Talk 12:56, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Grabup: Yes, off the top of my head - the Padma Shri. Not comparing them in notability, but just giving a direct answer to your question. Shahid • Talk2me 13:15, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Shshshsh: Padma Shri does not establish notability. I wanted the names of some awards that establish notability and are given to more than 20 people every year. GrabUp - Talk 15:28, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No award in the world "establishes" notability in and of itself; notable awards indicate notability, they attest to the recepient's notabiltiy. The notability is established by the professional achievments the award was given for. Shahid • Talk2me 09:38, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note to Closer. Keep votes are more focused on the subject's notability because of an award (not national award) but there is no argument on the unreliability of the sources on the page that are blogs, interviews with no secondary sources as attribution and self written reviews by the subject himself and part of WP:NEWSORGINDIA. Two keep votes consider him notable but have no argument as to why and the two other keep vote (including the creator of the page) do not have opinion on the argument about the page and the unreliable sources that fails WP:GNG. I think the page is at best Delete but Draftify is also an option if there is any scope of improvement with secondary independent reliable sources. If this page stays a keep, then likely it opens a Pandora box to use unreliable sources like blogs and interviews and self published reviews on other pages or newly generated pages. RangersRus (talk) 22:51, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Note @RangersRus is the nominator of this AfD and appears to have voted twice (assuming good faith), both in the nomination description and in the comment above. Shahid • Talk2me 12:42, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Those are not votes but opinion based on the unreliability of the sources on the page. RangersRus (talk) 14:50, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @RangersRus: Then you should not have highlighted them in bold. Shahid • Talk2me 09:34, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I do not see it as problem. Two closers already went through the arguments and understood it as opinion. RangersRus (talk) 11:30, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I really don’t understand why they are not providing good arguments for their Keep votes. It looks like @Atlantic306 is just here to go along with the majority. The question raises because how can he call it a ‘national award’? Additionally, they are posting low effort delete votes and not giving any counterarguments, which raises some questions in my mind. GrabUp - Talk 02:08, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Grabup: Please assume good faith on other participants here. The fact that they do not agree with you doesn't mean their arguments are not "good". This is an AfD where no one is obligated to satisfy his voting peers. Shahid • Talk2me 12:26, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, they are not obligated to satisfy me, but to build consensus, they should explain further why and how the subject meets some notability criteria. Being a "National award" does not establish notability, such as the Padmashri Award, which is a national award, but the majority of the recipients are not notable and don’t have articles. Giving low effort votes does not really help to build consensus in every AfDs. GrabUp - Talk 13:01, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • In the UK and US a national award means it relates to the scope of a whole country not that it is given by the government. For example the Oscars and Grammy Awards are national awards that are given by private organisations, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 13:21, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      For UK and US, there is national award for films National Film Awards UK and National Film & TV Award USA. In India, for journalism, Press Council of India honours the journalists selected by the Jury/Council for having excelled in various fields on the occasion of National Press Day. This is national award. RangersRus (talk) 15:42, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      The award is not exclusive enough to establish notability. Every year, more than 20 people receive the award. Are they also notable for this award? I don’t think so. GrabUp - Talk 16:06, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      Yes, they might be notable. The UK Awards are given by a private organization. National, especially in the Indian context, means the recepients may be chosen from across all states and not just locally. The Ramnath Goenka Award is given by a notable organization which has existed for almost a century. The award might not necessarily establish notability in and of itself (although I think it should), but everything else about the subject certainly does. Shekhar is also a member of the CBFC, he writes for notable publications, he hosts programs where big stars are being interviewed (see Hitlist on YT), he has authored two books which received media coverage. I can't see the harm in having a Wikipedia article on this person even with half of these achievements. I do admit I'm an inclusionist. :) I strongly believe WP can and should cover as much as possible. The spirit of WP, as I think of it, lies in its ongoing goal to become a robust center of knowledge, where minimal restrictions are put on inclusion of information. Shahid • Talk2me 13:12, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      @Shshshsh: Being a member of the CBFC does not meet any notability criteria. Writing for a notable publication does not meet any notability criteria. Hosting big stars in a program or interviewing them does not meet any notability criteria. Lastly, his book has not received enough media coverage to be considered notable, nor have his books been reviewed by any notable media organization that would allow it to meet WP:AUTHOR.
      I want to ask where it is written in Wikipedia’s notability guidelines that being a member of the CBFC, writing for a notable publication, hosting big stars in a show, or taking interviews makes a person notable. I don’t have a problem with your intent to include everything on Wikipedia, but there are rules that should be followed. Why keep a subject that has not met any notability criteria set by Wikipedia guidelines? GrabUp - Talk 15:36, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      He does meet notability guidelines, because all these positions do not work individually but as a group. Going by your opening sentence, no critic/journalist is notable. Anyway, we should agree to disagree. Shahid • Talk2me 09:33, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      @Shshshsh: My comment was: Journalists or critics are not inherently notable; they have to pass some sort of guidelines, such as GNG, JOURNALIST, AUTHOR, or similar, for an article in Wikipedia. You said, "because all these positions do not work individually but as a group. Going by your opening sentence," where is it written that these types of works or positions make a person notable, whether in a group or individually? GrabUp - Talk 11:58, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      WP:N, WP:GNG is my answer. We wouldn't have known all of this had this not been published in reliable sources. And above all, common sense is an option. I will reiterate for you: he has won a notable award, he is a member of the CBFC, he writes for several notable publications, he hosts programs where big stars are being interviewed (see Hitlist on YT), he has authored two books which received media coverage, he is a film critic whose reviews are being quoted, and his work has made him the interviewee, as we can see. If you're not convinced, which I think is going to be case anyway, let's agree to disagree. Shahid • Talk2me 09:20, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Swadhin Axom

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Fails WP:GNG. Kautilya3 (talk) 18:05, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politics, Geography, India, and Assam. Kautilya3 (talk) 18:05, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Delete/Repurpose Dratify EDIT: vote changed since one source shows potential, see below;/ @Flyingphoenixchips, moving the discussion here in the appropriate discussion channel. The movement for an independent Assam might pass WP:GNG and be worth an article. However, it should be an article about the movement, not a proposed state- and it needs to be supported by sources that talk about "Swadhin Axom" as an idea specifically rather than as an alternative name for Assam used by those who want independence. If you believe there are many sources in Google, then WP:DOIT and fix this article. We don't do original research on wikipedia. EmeraldRange (talk/contribs) 18:50, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Hey thanks, the sources I mentioned do support it as an idea, and not as an alternative name. All sources are listed in the reference page. Flyingphoenixchips (talk) 18:54, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    In no way was the article I have written am original research. Additionally many such articles on proposed states exist, and a separate category in wikipedia exists as well. Will those pages be deleted or just this, since its against a particular POV Flyingphoenixchips (talk) 18:55, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Swadhin Axom was never used as an alternate name for assam. Swadhin means Independent and the proposed independent state is just refered to as Assam or Axom- both are the same literals. Swadhin axom is used by academics to describe this proposed state. Ref: Prafulla Mohonto, Proposal for Independence. Would suggest you to read it Flyingphoenixchips (talk) 18:59, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    To maintain neutrality, would suggest editing existing articles based on your arguments, using credible sources, instead of plain WP:I just don't like it. Wikipedia should never become a battleground of political ideologues. If you read the article its neutral, you can add additional pointers in the article, if you have sources for the same. Thanks Flyingphoenixchips (talk) 19:16, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Don't accuse me baselessly of just not liking it.
    You mentioned a google search, another wikipedia article and its sources on the Talk page- that's not enough when the question is whether "Swadhin Axom" as a concept should be a WP:CONTENTFORK from Assam. Wikipedia's neutrality policy is not about giving equal weight to every political opinion. It also doesn't say that we should have a different article for every political way of looking at something.
    Sources and GNG
    Now let's look at the actual sources in this article:
    • Source 1 - Ivy Dhar has extensive discussion of the idea of Swadhin Axom, specifically in relation to the ULFA and nationalism
    • Source 2 - Nipon Haloi only mentions it once
    • Source 3 - Dutta & Laisram only mention it once
    • Source 4 - Udayon Misra only mentions it once
    • Source 5 - Not only does Santana Khanikar only mention it once (outside of the glossary), she proceeds to call the proto-state as simply the ULFA instead of Swadhin Axom.
    • Source 6 - Swadhin Axom is only mentioned as part of the title of a speech
    • Source 7 - Does not mention it
    • Source 8, 9 and 10 - Does not mention it- all about the 1970s Assam Movement
    • Source 11 - Does not mention it
    • Source 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17 - Does not mention it, not even in the entire book of Source 17. These are all about the 1970s Assam Movement
    • Source 18 - cannot access myself but also looks like a book entirely about the Assam Movement
    • Source 19, 20, 21, 22 - Does not mention it
    • etc. etc.
    Now, I couldn't keep going through the remaining 40+ sources but this is only to highlight one issue: the article doesn't really meet WP:GNG standards. Not every sources need to meet WP:GNG, but there should be at least one to establish that the article is notable. Source 1 is a good source for this article, and there may be more in the 40+ citations I couldn't get to.
    However, I would still delete this article and draftify it (I changed my vote) because:
    WP:V - Verifiability
    Just from the first 20, I suspect a lot of these sources were thrown on there because they came up in the Google Scholar search for "Swadhin Axom". Wikipedia requires that the content be verified based on the content of the sources. We don't do original research by giving our own analysis of the source.
    For specific example, let's take the sentence "Figures like Bishnu Prasad Rabha, a multifaceted artist and social reformer, Tarun Ram Phukan, a prominent political leader, and Prafulla Kumar Mahanta, a key figure in the Assam Movement and a former Chief Minister of Assam, have played crucial roles in advancing the cause of Swadhin Axom" It's supported by Sources 14-18. If you will recall from my list above, these are all about the 1970s Assam Movement that don't mention the idea of Swadhin Axom. If Swadhin Axom is really not just a local name for the English phrase 'independent Assam', then you would need a source to connect Swadhin Axom and the Assam Movement, instead of providing the original analysis that the Assam Movement was an important part of the Swadhin Axom proposed state.
    I will reiterate that I think that the article Assamese nationalism would make more sense for the sources you are using. If the article is just about providing more WP:NPOV perspectives about Assam- those should go in the Assam article. If this article is supposed to be about a proposed state it needs to show that the proposed state is a proposed state. From what I see, it might be better focused on the ULFA explicitly, their governing structures etc. In its current state, this article is not fit for mainspace. And it's not because WP:IDONTLIKEIT. EmeraldRange (talk/contribs) 00:35, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thank you for your careful work in checking all the sources. But I am not convinced that the single source (Ivy Dhar) that you mention can save the article. First of all, the source is a Master's thesis, which is normally not considered a reliable source on Wikipedia. Secondly, it is only a small section (4.04) that discusses the concept, and it does so in the context of Assamese nationalism and most of the section deals with ULFA, both of which already have their own pages on Wikipedia. I don't agree that this source establishes "Swadhin Axom" as an independent topic that merits its own page. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 14:09, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes- I'm saying that it can be draftified and potentially reworked into an article actually about the specific idea- based on assuming good faith that maybe one of the 40 sources I didnt check have something useful. Not particularly opposed to deletion, and if there are no other sources this should be a section of Assamese nationalism as you propose.
    A master's thesis is a reliable source- the policy you link to cautions against blimdly accepting since many theses do original research and are therefore sometime primary sources. But that's not the case here where the author is describing existing sentiment, not coming up the idea of Swadhin Axom outright. EmeraldRange (talk/contribs) 15:50, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Alright let me have a look a this article again, and try finding secondary articles on the idea. However i don't feel this should be merged with the ULFA page as its solely not connected to ulfa, and is something like Dravida Nadu Flyingphoenixchips (talk) 02:38, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Most of the article is WP:SYNTH. United Liberation Front of Asom could be a redirect target ... but this title is misspelled (Axom instead of Asom). Walsh90210 (talk) 04:30, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I would like to disagree, since the idea of "Swadhin Axom" (Independent Assam) deserves nuanced understanding and should not be exclusively linked to the United Liberation Front of Asom (ULFA). While ULFA has prominently championed this cause of an independent Assam through armed struggle, the concept of Swadhin Axom encompasses a broader spectrum of historical, cultural, and socio-political aspirations that predate and extend beyond ULFA's formation. Also both Axom and Asom are used, you will find articles using both the terms.
    Pre-ULFA Aspirations: The desire for a distinct Assamese identity and autonomy can be traced back to the colonial and pre-colonial eras. Movements and sentiments advocating for Assam's self-determination existed well before ULFA's establishment in 1979 (Guha, 1991, 56). Cultural and Ethnic Diversity: The idea of Swadhin Axom also reflects the rich cultural and ethnic diversity of the region. It includes the voices of various indigenous communities who have sought to preserve their unique identities and heritage (Baruah, 2005, 112).
    Political Autonomy Movements: Throughout Assam's history, various groups and political entities have called for greater autonomy and recognition of Assam's distinct status within India. These movements have often been peaceful and democratic, emphasizing dialogue over armed conflict (Misra, 2012, 143).
    Both of the 3 papers are important sources
    Therefore, I propose renaming the Wikipedia article to "Proposal for Swadhin Axom" instead, because it is of relevance to the geopolitics concerning greater southeast asia as well
    Ref:
    Baruah, Sanjib. Durable Disorder: Understanding the Politics of Northeast India. New Delhi: Oxford University Press, 2005.
    Dutta, Anuradha. Assam and the Northeast: Development and Conflict. Guwahati: Eastern Book House, 2010.
    Goswami, Priyadarshini. Ethnicity, Insurgency and Identity in Northeast India. New Delhi: Manohar Publishers, 2001.
    Guha, Amalendu. Planter Raj to Swaraj: Freedom Struggle and Electoral Politics in Assam 1826-1947. New Delhi: Indian Council of Historical Research, 1991.
    Misra, Udayon. The Periphery Strikes Back: Challenges to the Nation-State in Assam and Nagaland. Shimla: Indian Institute of Advanced Study, 2012.
    Sharma, Monirul Hussain. The Assam Movement: Class, Ideology, and Identity. New Delhi: Manohar Publishers, 2004. Flyingphoenixchips (talk) 03:05, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Kautilya3and @Walsh90210 @EmeraldRange Hey also wanted to point out 3 volumes of books that looked into this topic. Swadhinataar Prostab & Economics of Swadhin Axom. I feel these sources
    You mentioned the following:
    " If this article is supposed to be about a proposed state it needs to show that the proposed state is a proposed state."
    I was only looking at english sources, and there is a lack of literature when it comes to Northeast India.
    There is one article from a newspaper that briefly talks about this idea, but does not elaborate on it: https://www-asomiyapratidin-in.translate.goog/assam/parag-kumar-das-memorial-lecture?_x_tr_sl=bn&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc
    I am offering a brief translation below from assamese :
    However, the proposal or demand for independence is not limited to generations. After the Greco-Roman period, proposals for independence were raised. Buli commented that Tetia's memory is still alive today due to Dr. Mishra's agitation in the Indian freedom struggle. But that freedom was not real freedom, many people raised the issue of muklikoi quora during this period.
    Teon Koy, 1947 The freedom that was gained in Chant country was not real freedom. That freedom was in political freedom. Without social freedom, there will be total freedom. Therefore, many of those freedoms are not complete freedom, many of them were promoting social equality and elimination of discrimination in order to achieve complete freedom.
    The disillusionment was largely disillusioned with the passage of time after independence. All those who hoped for independence were disappointed. During the 60s and 70s, the common people were angry about the socio-economic inequality. About which the movement was started. Protests were held by university and college students. Around that time revolutions were starting in different countries of the world. Apart from political freedom, social freedom, social and economic discrimination, women's freedom was also raised.
    This movement started in Europe and reached America. The Vietnam war was forced to end on the basis of this protest. In the next period, the black people's movement was influenced by this movement, which was the global judge. Kakat also made posters on this topic in Indian schools, and propagated about this movement through discussion.
    Dr. Mishra thought that period of 60-70s was the golden age. Because there was a lot of hope in this demand or movement at that time. The literary majesty of that time was influenced by this movement. A new curriculum was being prepared with the support of intellectuals, college teachers and others who supported the movement to raise the demand for curriculum change. Slogans were being written for the liberation of poor women.
    ofc the two books would be the primary source for this article, and there are several sources - secondary analysis done on these books which can be taken as the secondary supporting sources Flyingphoenixchips (talk) 03:52, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It should be noted that "Swadhin Asom" (there is a misspelling) literally means Independent Assam, and this should be the article instead, an article that describes the motives for an independent Assam. as there are many different sources that describe this movement as a whole. — Karnataka 09:44, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete upon review, I don't think the sources in the article necessarily support an article on this specific topic - it does not mean that there should not be coverage of those wanting independence in Assam, but this appears to be possibly about a geographical region and the sources do not support that. WP:NOTESSAY also applies. Drafitfying is fine, but I'm not sure there's a clear topic here after a BEFORE search. SportingFlyer T·C 12:07, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Selective merge to Assam separatist movements or United Liberation Front of Asom. These appear to be the appropriate places for discussion of the causes for an independence movement and related activism, but there doesn't need to be a separate page for the proposed state like this. Flyingphoenixchips's sources and some of this article's content belong in those articles.

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