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Templeton Estate

I'm preparing an article on Winston F. Guest and came across what seems like a discrepancy. I know zero about this matter so perhaps someone who does could clarify and rectify it:

Old Westbury, New York

This Wiki article claims the Alfred I. duPont property was called Templeton (This is incorrect: it was built in 1916 and owned by his first wife, Alicia and was known as "White Eagle". Sold in 1921 to Mrs. Frederick Guest (Amy Phipps) [1] [2], they renamed it Templeton which it remained until it was donated to the NYIT by the estate of their son, Winston Guest)


Brookville, New York

This Wiki article also claims the mansion is in Old Westbury, saying that the DeSeversky Conference Center of the New York Institute of Technology was formerly Templeton, mansion of socialite and businessman Winston Guest. -- Note the New York Institute of Technology article says: Old Westbury campus houses the sports complex, administrative offices, as well as the de Seversky Center. (There is a photo of the de Seversky Center and it is in fact Templeton as per matching photos at this external website that places it in Brookville with a link to a Google Earth Map that allows each of the municipalities borders to be highlighted.

Thanx. Handicapper (talk) 15:12, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Marijuana Reform Party

WikiProject New York members are invited to help improve the Marijuana Reform Party article, which needs much attention. Along with WP Cannabis, members of WP United States and WP Political Parties are welcome to improve the article in any way possible. Hopefully we can all work together to upgrade the article status within the next 2 weeks. Feel free to use the article's talk page to discuss how the article can be improved. Thanks! --Another Believer (Talk) 00:35, 1 November 2009 (UTC)


All WPNY articles now have a quality assessment (that is, Category:Unassessed New York articles is empty). This is not to say all of the assessments are correct. =) It's also not to say that all articles have an importance assigned to them, either. Category:Unknown-importance New York articles is still very full and needs work to pare down. As for Category:Unassessed New York articles, we can now just keep an eye on it and assess articles as they come in. Powers T 20:58, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Assessing importance for sports teams

What level of importance should we assign to articles on sports teams? My suggestion would be High-importance for the Bills, Jets, Giants, Sabres, Rangers, Islanders, Yankees, Mets, and Knicks; Mid-importance for all other professional sports teams and Division I college athletics (e.g., Syracuse Orange, but not Syracuse Orange football); and Low-importance for non-professional teams. Thoughts? Powers T 14:20, 18 December 2009 (UTC)


A couple of proposed moves of articles are being discussed. See Talk:Tonawanda (town), New York and Talk:Tonawanda (city), New York. --Una Smith (talk) 01:49, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

WP 1.0 bot announcement

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This discussion started in NYC Transportation but it's more about how we take pictures of a wider variety of places in a wider geographical area, so I figured this wider forum would be more appropriate.

Film?? Wow. Pharmacies sell digital cameras almost as cheap; cheaper if you include the cost of a couple dozen prints, and with a quicker and easier path to Wikipedia. Don't need a fancy kind of digicam; see Wikipedia:Photograph your hometown. Jim.henderson (talk) 21:52, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
As I'm new to the Wikimedia Commons scene and uploading media, I find that I frequently need to correct my images because they come out too dark. The Wikimedia Commons seems to update images infrequently. I posted File:Myrtle Wyckoff BMT Canarsie Line platform.JPG first with the original image from my camera, then with a lighter one. The lighter image is not showing up as a thumbnail, but it is when the full photo is shown. But then I just saw that File:161st Street Yankee Stadium IRT Jerome southbound platform 2009 Yankee Stadium.JPG was just updated, so it must be an annoying delay. My results also don't come out as glossy as I'd like. Do you also have any tips on nighttime shots? Tinlinkin (talk) 22:13, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
Yes, Jim. I've seen plenty of these cheap digital cameras in pharmacies, but in spite of the wikiessay you've showed me, when I take a picture, I prefer to do it with quality. Sadly, I don't always get it, as I didn't in some recent photos of some churches in Patchogue. Although once in a while I get to take some good ones with the disposable cameras. ----DanTD (talk) 05:59, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
Last month I discussed similar hardware questions in Commons:Help desk/Archives/2009Dec#Advice about digital cameras and since this is about photography rather than about NYC trains, I figure we're talking on the wrong forum. Jim.henderson (talk) 13:49, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Getting good quality on film presents difficulties, particularly outdoors and at night and for Internet use.

  1. Film is expensive. With a high cost per picture, amateurs with film tend to take fewer pictures rather than practice exposure bracketing and similar methods requiring repetition.
  2. Gratification and feedback are delayed. Amateur normally wait until the roll is finished, then wait for the pictures to make their round trip to the processing shop. Electronic pictures, you can see a second after snapping them, when you're still on location with the same lighting, and can snap again to get it right this time.
  3. When the print or slide comes back from the shop, it's not yet ready for Wikipedia but must be scanned into electronic digital form. This results in lower quality than if the picture was digital in the first place. It also delays the process.
  4. Film has poor dynamic range. Smart film photographers must devote time and thought to revealing what's happening in shadows, and avoid blowing the whites. Electronic pickups have inherently better range. Some of the advantage is lost to the default JPEG compression format, which is why sophisticated digiphotographers (more sophisticated than me) use RAW photo formats.
  5. Film darkrooms are expensive and difficult, thus amateur ones are rare. For a higher processing fee, you can tell a skilled darkroom worker what you want, which introduces the complication of communication. Simple digital darkroom programs like Picasa can do simple but highly effective adjustments without a great deal of study, while complex ones like GIMP can carry out very sophisticated manipulations at little cost, for the photographer who applies the aforementioned great deal of study.
  6. Oh, yeah. Night pix. A few weeks ago I was too slow to get to Journal Square to photograph its infrastructure in daytime so I turned on my lights and kept pedalling south through twilight, and was rewarded with an unexpected encounter with Five Corners, Jersey City. I took a dozen or more pictures, carefully bracing my arms and camera against shakes, and bracketing with the exposure compensation button found on most $100 cameras, and one or two came out nicely. Getting those shots with film would have been very much more difficult.

Digital photography is the way to quality and convenience, especially when seeking pictures to illustrate Wikipedia articles. Film, on the other hand, can bring quality to the creation of photoposters to hang on a wall, at the cost of great inconvenience. Jim.henderson (talk) 15:50, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks so much for the replies (and for bringing this to a better forum). But you may have answered Dan's questions better than mine. I do have a digital camera, but the results I get usually require me to use an image editor before uploading. (I use IrfanView.) I don't mind the editing, but the photos I get from the camera tend to be too dark. Is this to be expected? I avoid using a flash in the subway because it is distracting. As for the nighttime photos, my unsteady hand is my major problem, so I'll try your bracing tip. How do you do that? File:Atlantic Terminal night.JPG is my best attempt of ~10 photos at the same location, and it came out good (not great) because the camera was resting on a newspaper box, which also ended up being captured. Lastly, I see many guys with cameras on their necks on the subway. I don't have that kind of camera, but that's an inspiration to me for contributing photos here. Tinlinkin (talk) 10:06, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Gotta edit. More than 95% of my uploads are of pix I edited. Most are very mild edits, cropping away some irrelevant bits or brightening the darkness when it is excessive. My File:Bethesda angel cloudy jeh.jpg from a few weeks ago received mild geometric treatment but more aggressive adjustments of brightness and contrast because bronze statues are not easily photographed. When the somewhat bluish original sky got blown away to total whiteness during this processing I thought, oh no; this is bad. No no, I then decided; this is good. Readers don't want to know about the sky that day; they want to know about the statue. The original is somewhat informative when seen on a good quality screen but I like to do my editing on a bad screen so the result will work for most readers. Perhaps this should replace my prettier but less informative pic in the sculptor's Wikibiography.

My first two cameras, in 2007 and 2008, usually maintained proper brightness in gloomy conditions. Most night pix and subway ones with my almost year-old Nikon P6000 are also all right, but cloudy days usually come out too dark. So, that's why most cameras have a button with a symbol of a diagonal line separating a black side and a light side, with plus and minus signs. This exposure compensation button tells the robot inside to bias itself in the desired direction. With my older cameras in poor lighting I sometimes took a set of 3 pix including one each compensated darkly and lightly. With this 2009 one, when uncertainty arises I snap a set of two; one uncompensated and one compensated towards brightness. And of course I still vary the shooting position left, right, forward, back. Sitting at the computer it's a matter of picking the least bad, or most editable, and then editing.

Irfan would not fit my bad habit of holding the camera crooked; attentive photographers don't need the ability of an editor to rotate. More important, however, is holding steady when darkness forces long exposures. Camera tripods are the obvious answer except that they severely cut into my preference for light travel. That article, however, led to an external link about the string tripod. I didn't make one, but learned to use the camera strap in a somewhat similar manner. Small, thin cameras intended for pocket or purse have a single lug for attaching a wrist strap, suitable for casual use, which worked well for me at first. Thicker cameras and more serious photographers prefer two lugs, for a longer strap over the neck.

Darkness forces the computer inside the camera to seek more light, partly by opening the aperture all the way but mainly by lengthening the exposure. This creates blur if the camera or the object is moving at all. Especially on subways I usually let the camera rest against my belly, turn on power when a shot presents itself, and shoot from the belly, usually without using the screen or viewfinder, since zoom is useless in such circumstances and I can crop at the computer to take care of any aiming problem but can't repair blur. The ancient rifleman technique applies. Take a breath, let it halfway out, stay still with muscles slightly tensed, and gently squeeze the trigger. Leaning against a pillar or other stable object adds stability, same as for a sniper leaning on a tree. Occasionally, when seated, I put the strap under my foot, pull gently up, and get less stability than a monopod but as long as it's enough, it's enough.

When I lift the camera, steadiness still counts. Extended arms are notoriously unsteady, so I brace my elbows against my chest and the camera against my face, sometimes losing the view through the viewfinder in search of steadiness. The camera has flat surfaces which can be rested against orthogonal surfaces, though in a station those surfaces may be vibrating, so for some of those shots I rest the camera against my hand which pads it from the pillar, bench back, or other fixed item. Outdoors, even relatively flimsy street furniture such as a single pole holding up a stopsign is pretty stable as long as I don't provide the impulse for it to move. When the bracing furniture accidentally gets into frame, well, that's why we edit our pix, but I also move the camera forward, even if it results in only partial support or keeps me from seeing the screen.

Perhaps for shooting pix out a train window I should get a length of black, soft foam to form a gasket/cushion against the glass. I imagine it would be especially handy for yards in The Bronx that have bright daylight and no other convenient vantage point. Of course vibrations in the dark can also be made less a problem with a bigger camera, which is more sensitive especially if it has fewer Megapixels, but again it would cramp my style of drive-by (or pedal-by) shooting. Jim.henderson (talk) 19:16, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

You sure know your stuff. Once again your thorough response is helpful. It's too much for me to digest right now, but if I have a follow-up I will post it. Tinlinkin (talk) 13:57, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Always glad to help. In the 28 months since a relative got me into it by discarding her broken and obsolete camera, I've taken a bit over 20,000 bad pix of New York and a few good ones or anyway mediocre. Studying the frequent failures has taught me a few things, and aimless Wikibrowsing a few more. Alas, much of the photo stuff in Wikipedia is written by experienced photographers for their fellows, rather than for ignorant newbies like me, so as an experienced writer I write my own stuff. Jim.henderson (talk) 07:40, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Yonkers articles are a mess

I hate to trash a whole category, but every single article in the Category:Geography of Yonkers, New York is a total disaster. They're filled with innacuracies and omissions, and many need to be renamed. Plus, there are many orphaned articles that look like they can easily be fixed so the tags don't need to be there. ----DanTD (talk) 05:19, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Central Park

Surely some native New Yorker will review Central Park, which is currently a Good Article nominee...? Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:11, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

GA reassessment of Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute

I have conducted a reassessment of the above article as part of the GA Sweeps process. You are being notified as this project's banner is on the talk page. I have found some concerns which you can see at Talk:Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute/GA1. I have placed the article on hold whilst these are fixed. Thanks. Jezhotwells (talk) 22:22, 23 February 2010 (UTC)


I have nominated New York City for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Arsenikk (talk) 12:22, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

New York Review of Books

Does this distinguish tag make sense? If not, would someone please revert it? Thanks! -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:57, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Looks fairly harmless. Powers T 20:14, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Category:Education in Poughkeepsie, New York

I started the above category and was working through stuff in Category:Poughkeepsie, New York when I remembered the thing about villages/towns/cities in New York and that there may be both a town and a city named Poughkeepsie. Could someone have a look at these two categories, along with maybe Category:Education in Dutchess County, New York and make sure that nothing is too messed up? If it looks fine then great, but if there is some huge problem with it let me know and I'll just delete the new category and set things back to the way they were. AlexiusHoratius 02:25, 15 April 2010 (UTC)


For the sake of consistency would anybody be opposed to creating a New York history infobox, based on template:Region history, that looks like the following? This would appear on all of the main New York history related articles (i.e. not every single one but the central topics).

Part of a series on the
History of New York
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Lenape and New Netherland
Province of New York
Revolution and early U.S.
19th century
20th century
Draft riots · Erie Canal ·
Iroquois · Lenape ·
NY and NJ campaign
Flag of New York.svg New York portal

--Mcorazao (talk) 14:47, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Sean Coffey

Sean Coffey (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

An editor has alleged at WP:BLP/N#Sean Coffey that this article about a candidate for the office of Attorney General is a puff piece. I suggest that some of the locals have a look. Hans Adler 14:45, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

RFC: Bronx High School of Science

There is a request for comment at this article. Interested parties may comment here. LonelyBeacon (talk) 22:29, 10 May 2010 (UTC)


2010 Times Square car bombing attempt -- I'm thinking this has to be a B at this point; if an uninvolved editor could assess it, that would be great.--Epeefleche (talk) 21:18, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

New Yorker in Florida userbox

For anybody interested, I just made a new Userbox for New Yorkers living in Florida:

Flag of New York
This user is originally from New York State, but now lives in Florida.
Flag of Florida

Sorry, I don't have a template. ----DanTD (talk) 14:44, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Unassessed articles

There's currently a backlog of 45 articles in Category:Unassessed New York articles. Would appreciate assistance in clearing it. =) Powers T 13:49, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Currently almost 90 articles now. Powers T 14:08, 22 May 2010 (UTC)


FYI, 200 Greenwich Street has been requested to be renamed as Two World Trade Center. See Talk:200 Greenwich Street. (talk) 04:48, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Long Island Arena

The article states "Former U.S. President John F. Kennedy made a visit to the arena on November 6, 1960 while campaigning for the presidency."

This is true I was there, I was also there in the same election year when his opponent Richard Nixon Campaigned there also, of course he lost to Kennedy. Nixon filled the arena, Kennedy packed it, and the parking lot also. I don't know the date not even the month. sorry

September 11 attacks GA review

September 11 attacks has been nominated for a good article reassessment. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to good article quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article. Reviewers' concerns are here. Laurent (talk) 18:06, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Upstate New York

FYI, Upstate New York has been nominated for deletion. (talk) 03:03, 7 June 2010 (UTC)


Is there any chance someone here would be interested in improving the massively out of control article that is Wyandanch, New York (and/or the spinoff History of Wyandanch)? I've looked at it, but I really don't have a good idea of how to trim the article without reverting to a stub and starting over. VernoWhitney (talk) 20:39, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Wow. I would move most of the material to the history article, and let that one be the one not worth the time to control. That is, if I were inclined to put time into anything but vague advice on this matter. Jim.henderson (talk) 14:32, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

New York metropolitan area composition

There is a dispute about the definition of the NY metro area that would benefit from additional input here: Talk:New York metropolitan area#New York metropolitan area composition. NYCRuss 17:00, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Yankees-Mets rivalry

I would suggest adding this to the scope. Arnabdas (talk) 21:21, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Disambiguation pages for New York villages within towns.

Per the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Disambiguation pages with links#Proposal for New York villages within towns, a large number of disambiguation links are directed towards two-link disambiguation pages for a village within a town - there are close to 150 such pages. Strictly speaking, under our WP:TWODABS guideline, a disambiguation page is not called for where there are only two possible disambiguation targets. In any case, it would be ideal if, for each of these pairs, the more prominent entity were deemed the primary topic, and linked by a hatnote to the other entity. Opinions are welcome in the ongoing disambig discussion. Cheers! bd2412 T 01:24, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Park Signs commons category

On August 4, 2010, I created a new category for "Signs of parks in New York" in the commons. If you get any images of signs at State or local parks, add that cat to the pics. ----DanTD (talk) 15:07, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Yankees-Giants rivalry

Please contribute to the article depicting baseball history in New York. Thanks. (talk) 17:04, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Why not give a link to that article? —— Shakescene (talk) 20:26, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Bronx/The Bronx

This project has its banner on this article, so I wanted to point out that a discussion is ongoing about opening an RfC to determine whether the article should be at Bronx or The Bronx. [3] Beyond My Ken (talk) 01:36, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

See Talk:Bronx#Request for Comments on renaming "(The) Bronx" (September 2010). If moved to add your own comment, please (re–)read the extensive earlier discussion first.—— Shakescene (talk) 03:10, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

New York articles have been selected for the Wikipedia 0.8 release

Version 0.8 is a collection of Wikipedia articles selected by the Wikipedia 1.0 team for offline release on USB key, DVD and mobile phone. Articles were selected based on their assessed importance and quality, then article versions (revisionIDs) were chosen for trustworthiness (freedom from vandalism) using an adaptation of the WikiTrust algorithm.

We would like to ask you to review the New York articles and revisionIDs we have chosen. Selected articles are marked with a diamond symbol (♦) to the right of each article, and this symbol links to the selected version of each article. If you believe we have included or excluded articles inappropriately, please contact us at Wikipedia talk:Version 0.8 with the details. You may wish to look at your WikiProject's articles with cleanup tags and try to improve any that need work; if you do, please give us the new revisionID at Wikipedia talk:Version 0.8. We would like to complete this consultation period by midnight UTC on Monday, October 11th.

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For the Wikipedia 1.0 editorial team, SelectionBot 23:24, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Bibliography article

Note to all that I just recently began Bibliography of New York. Please add to it if you know of good sources. Only link the title if the link brings you to a free, full version on Google Books or the Internet Archive (or some other hosting site that I'm not aware of). upstateNYer 00:53, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Allegany State Park

this article needs more editing, and pictures. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheWardenBB (talkcontribs) 14:02, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Move request for New York

Feel free to comment at Talk:New York#Requested move. Request is to move New York to New York State (or something similar) and make New York a disambiguation page. upstateNYer 21:47, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Invitation to help with WikiProject United States

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Hello, WikiProject New York (state)/Archive 2! We are looking for editors to join WikiProject United States, an outreach effort which aims to support development of United States related articles in Wikipedia. We thought you might be interested, and hope that you will join us. Thanks!!!

--Kumioko (talk) 02:55, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

A-class review request

I'm requesting an A-Class review for Wallkill Valley Rail Trail, which has just become a GA. None of the involved projects have a formal A-Class method, so I'm requesting that two editors review the article and support its promotion. I'm reposting this request on the talk pages of all involved projects.
--Gyrobo (talk) 04:43, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Just a quick update: an editor at WikiProject Hudson Valley has volunteered to participate, so we only need at least one other editor.
--Gyrobo (talk) 23:56, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Census 2010 & nearby cities

What plans exist for updating entries dependent on census data when Census 2010 data becomes available? Is someone working on a bot for that? Also, when that is done, it would be good to put in better information on nearby cities. In rural areas, that boiler-plate sentence in entries for towns, "The Town of X is in the Y part of the county and is southwest of Z." just isn't very useful. I have ideas about how this could be done better.

Does anyone have plans to make a bot that deals with issues like these? --Pleasantville (talk) 20:03, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

A ton of new photos

Yes, the contest was last year, but they just now got uploaded: commons:Category:Wikis Take Manhattan 2009. Have fun. Kaldari (talk) 02:25, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

A consideration for cross project consolidation of talk page templates

I have started a conversation here about the possibility of combining some of the United States related WikiProject Banners into {{WikiProject United States}}. If you have any comments, questions or suggestions please take a moment and let me know. --Kumioko (talk) 20:00, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Rewrite of New York under way; your help would be appreciated

I'm currently rewriting the New York article at User:UpstateNYer/New York. I planned on doing this myself, in the same way I rewrote Albany, New York, but it would be much faster if some users here could take on a section or two of the article. I'd ask that you stay away from the history section until I finish it, then you can have at it. The state symbols section is complete, and most of the geography section is done. If you need help finding sources, you might want to start at Bibliography of New York. If you want to help, please indicate so by adding your name below and which section you'd like to own for the rewrite process, and feel free to get started! (Quick tip: since the 2010 census numbers will come out on Dec 31st at the latest, you might want to hold back on the Demographics section until after those numbers are available.) It would be great if we could get this to FA level in 6 or so months (or less). upstateNYer 00:00, 9 December 2010 (UTC)


I completely re-wrote the "MOLST" article. Please feel free to review it for quality and importance.ISTJonathan (talk) 17:06, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Rochester Red Wings

An IP added an "ownership controversy" section to the Rochester Red Wings article that is at best poorly referenced and at worst totally overblown. The section is at Rochester Red Wings#Ownership Controversy; I started a discussion thread at Talk:Rochester Red Wings#Controversy. Feel free to comment. – TMF 00:01, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Tom Flanagan

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Tom Flanagan (political scientist)#Assassination talk. Elizium23 (talk) 05:06, 7 December 2010 (UTC) (Using {{Please see}})

    Just looking for info regarding any recordings made by Clint Walker for Warner Bros.  Are they available on any format??  Ken S-- (talk) 20:39, 17 December 2010 (UTC)


I've seen a lot of amazing New York–related articles over the last couple of years, and was shocked that there's no project-specific barnstar. If there are no objections, I'd like to move User:Gyrobo/Empire State Barnstar to template-space and add it to the main project page.
--Gyrobo (talk) 23:45, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

I added the barnstar to the main project page. --Gyrobo (talk) 20:36, 25 December 2010 (UTC)


This place as been founded by Jean Pierre EZAN in 1980. First it was a place for bands to rehearsal. The first bands to play at the A7 was : J. BONES & the GOOD DAZE, BELLE STAR, and ZOID. At the same time, J.P EZAN organised "The Thompkin's Square Park Music Festival" Marc FRENTZEL —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 07:48, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Collaboration with the Wine Project on New York wine articles?

Hello! For 2011 the Wine Project is doing a new Wine Improvement Drive where each month we focus on an area of articles that relate to a particular theme. In January, we are are ringing in the New Year with New World wine, with a focus on the wines of the Northern Hemisphere-Canadian wine, American wine and Mexican wine. I am going by related projects to see if there is any interest in collaboration between this project and the wine project on the subject of New York wine. Some suggestion on potential article creations include History of New York wine, Seneca Lake Grape Wine Company, William Warner Bostwick, Charles Fournier and John Jaques - pioneering New York winemakers, bios on important modern winemakers like Richard Olsen-Harbich or some of the redlinks in the grape variety infobox of the New York wine article. On a smaller scale, there are several New York wine related articles that could use some help with clean up or expanding beyond a stub such as the articles on Konstantin Frank Pleasant Valley Wine Company, Germania Wine Cellars, Cayuga Lake AVA, Hudson River Region AVA, Lake Erie AVA, Long Island AVA, Niagara Escarpment AVA, North Fork of Long Island AVA, The Hamptons, Long Island AVA. Additionally there are winery articles that need help establishing their notability with references to pass WP:GNG such as Hunt Country Vineyards and Bully Hill Vineyards. And, of course, of HUGE help would be the upload of free use photos of New York wine wineries, wines and wine regions to Commons that could be used to better illustrate New York wine articles. If you're interested in helping, please drop a note at the Wine Project's talk page with the article you're interested in helping with. Thanks and have a great New Year! AgneCheese/Wine 00:29, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Request for help getting a picture

Can anyone in the Chicago area get a picture of the Burger King located at 506 South Washington Street in Naperville? I really need a commons image of this antique burger King location to use in an article. Thanks! --Jeremy (blah blahI did it!) 09:19, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

US Collaboration reactivated & Portal:United States starting next

Casliber recently posted a suggestion on the talk page for WikiProject United States about getting the US Wikipedians Collaboration page going again in an effort to build up articles for GA through FA class. See Wikipedia:U.S. Wikipedians' notice board/USCOTM. After several days of work from him the page is up and ready for action. A few candidates have already been added for you to vote on or you can submit one using the directions provided. If you are looking for inspiration here is a link to the most commonly viewed articles currently under the scope of Wikiproject United States. There are tons of good articles in the various US related projects as well so feel free to submit any article relating to US topics (not just those under the scope of WPUS). This noticeboard is intended for ‘’’All’’’ editors working on US subjects, not just those under WPUS.

The next item I intend to start updating is Portal:United States if anyone is interested in helping. Again this is not specific to WPUS and any help would be greatly appreciated to maximize visibility of US topics. The foundation has already been established its just a matter of updating the content with some new images, biographies and articles. Please let leave a comment on the Portals talk page or let me know if you have any questions or ideas. --Kumioko (talk) 19:18, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Penn-Can Mall

This article is in desperate need of more sources. I found a great deal of newspaper clippings in a website whose link I posted in the talk page, but most are missing the page numbers. If anyone wants to do the digging to find the newspaper pages, please let me know. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 05:24, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Relationship with WikiProject United States

People from a variety of WikiProjects have had concerns about the scope of WikiProject United States and its relationship with other WikiProjects. We have created an RFC and invite all interested editors to discuss it at: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject United States#Mission statement for WikiProject United States. Thanks, Racepacket (talk) 15:33, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

US Collaboration reactivated & Portal:United States starting next

Casliber recently posted a suggestion on the talk page for WikiProject United States about getting the US Wikipedians Collaboration page going again in an effort to build up articles for GA through FA class. See Wikipedia:U.S. Wikipedians' notice board/USCOTM. After several days of work from him the page is up and ready for action. A few candidates have already been added for you to vote on or you can submit one using the directions provided. If you are looking for inspiration here is a link to the most commonly viewed articles currently under the scope of Wikiproject United States. There are tons of good articles in the various US related projects as well so feel free to submit any article relating to US topics (not just those under the scope of WPUS). This noticeboard is intended for ‘’’All’’’ editors working on US subjects, not just those under WPUS.

The next item I intend to start updating is Portal:United States if anyone is interested in helping. Again this is not specific to WPUS and any help would be greatly appreciated to maximize visibility of US topics. The foundation has already been established its just a matter of updating the content with some new images, biographies and articles. Please let leave a comment on the Portals talk page or let me know if you have any questions or ideas. --Kumioko (talk) 19:11, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Guys, there is so much work to be done on coverage of Illinois, that I would hope that we can avoid the distraction of Kumioko's well-meaning efforts to restart the WikiProject United States. Let's get back to work here on our articles. If people within this project want to try a collaboration, propose it on our Project page rather than getting wrapped up in the other. Racepacket (talk) 14:28, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Relationship with WikiProject United States

People from a variety of WikiProjects have had concerns about the scope of WikiProject United States and its relationship with other WikiProjects. We have created an RFC and invite all interested editors to discuss it at: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject United States#Mission statement for WikiProject United States. Thanks, Racepacket (talk) 15:33, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Formal A-class review process?

I'm starting this thread to discuss the possibility of having a formal A-class review process for articles that fall under WPNY's scope. I think it would be a good idea because the FAC process is perpetually overloaded, and having a few uninvolved but knowledgeable editors identify any structural issues beforehand would help an article's quality and better prepare it for FAC. What does everyone think of this? Are there enough articles at this level of quality, and editors willing to do this, that it makes sense for the project?
--Gyrobo (talk) 19:10, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of NEIU Physical Education Complex

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The article NEIU Physical Education Complex has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

A search for references found a few promotional web hits and no published (gbook) WP:RS, fails WP:V and WP:N, Does it exist; yes, are there reliable sources for any of the article content; No

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Adding "Popular pages" to U.S.-related projects

A very interesting tool of the Wikimedia Toolserver is called WikiProject Popular pages lists. These lists are similar to project-related article lists like U. S. article lists used for generating assessment statistics. The Popular pages lists include the rank, total views, average daily views, quality and importance ratings for the listed articles. Here is the full list of projects using popular pages lists. An FAQ also is available at User:Mr.Z-man/Popular pages FAQ.

I recently added links to lists of popular pages as shown below to the U.S. Portal - WikiProjects box and the nominations sections for each of the selected articles boxes.

Portal:United States/Projects/Popular pages

Because this project was not included, I am bringing up the popular pages tool here. This tool makes it very easy to track three of four balancing dimensions when selecting articles for showcasing at a portal - quality, importance and popularity. When tracking the fourth dimension, topic, the related article lists tool (such as for U.S. article lists tool) also might be useful by filtering on categories of interest.

If you do decide to use this tool, feel free to update Portal:United States/Projects/Popular pages as well.

Regards, RichardF (talk) 02:37, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Featured portal candidate: United States

Portal:United States is a current featured portal candidate. Please feel free to leave comments. -- RichardF (talk) 02:37, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Adding "Popular pages" to U.S.-related projects

A very interesting tool of the Wikimedia Toolserver is called WikiProject Popular pages lists. These lists are similar to project-related article lists like U. S. article lists used for generating assessment statistics. The Popular pages lists include the rank, total views, average daily views, quality and importance ratings for the listed articles. Here is the full list of projects using popular pages lists. An FAQ also is available at User:Mr.Z-man/Popular pages FAQ.

I recently added links to lists of popular pages as shown below to the U.S. Portal - WikiProjects box and the nominations sections for each of the selected articles boxes.

Sorry. I screwed this up. -- RichardF (talk) 22:56, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Copyediting for FAC

I'm just throwing out an idea here. I see you guys are fairly active, and I'm currently copyediting one of your articles at FAC, La Stazione. I have some connections to New York, and I don't mind doing some copyediting at, or in preparation for, WP:FAC. But it's slightly annoying to make the same corrections over and over for the same writers, so over at WP:MILHIST, we've created a WP:Checklist of things that we like to ask writers to learn how to handle over time in exchange for the "free" copyediting. I'm not sure how many wikiprojects I can make this offer to ... it will help if you guys have someone who at least understands the items on the checklist that I could collaborate with. Do you? - Dank (push to talk) 21:59, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

I recently floated the possibility of having an A-Class review process for WPNY, partly because of how such reviews help improve articles at MILHIST. I'd be happy to help out where I can.
--Gyrobo (talk) 22:19, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
I'll be happy to help if you can get an A-class review going. - Dank (push to talk) 22:43, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

East Bronx watercourses

In recent years I've become interested in the historic and existing (and potential -- "water always wins") watercourses of the east Bronx, where I live, and that have slowly been built over over the past 200 years. At the Bill of Rights Museum I saw a map of them as they were in colonial times. Westchester Creek and tributaries of the Hutchinson R. are visible stubs of a flow that still must exist underground (as traceable by weight limit signs on some streets) that made a large portion of the eastern Bronx a swamp that cut off the peninsula that ends in Throggs Neck, or the entire southeast portion of the boro, from the rest. The landfilling has continued during my lifetime. It just awaits the historio-geogeographic research. (talk) 20:02, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Enhancing the Opportunity NYC page

While Opportunity NYC, a Conditional Cash Transfer program in New York City, is not a High Importance article on WikiProject New York, I feel it could become a much more prominent part of the New York City political sphere in a few years. It just completed its 3 year pilot program, and MDRC, a foundation which evaluates real world programs targeted to low income people, is currently finishing their initial research on the results of the program after 3 years. While the data only covers the first 2 years of the program, there are already some short term benefits shown in the data, and more will come as MDRC continues its long term research. I plan to add a section to the Opportunity NYC article about the initial results from the program, and will continue to update it as more research arises. Does anyone have any stories/information about the Opportunity NYC program and its results beyond the MDRC’s research?Sbh2 (talk) 04:55, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

Photo request: Mamaroneck

For those of you close to Mamaroneck, here is a new photo request:

  • Headquarters of Archie Comics at 325 Fayette Ave. Mamaroneck, New York 10543

Thank you, WhisperToMe (talk) 07:56, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Wall Street has been selected as the United States Wikipedians' Collaboration of the Month for May 2011

Wall Street, a page within the scope of this project, has been selected as the United States Wikipedians' Collaboration of the Month for May 2011. All editors interested in improving this article are encouraged to participate. You can also vote for next months article of the Month here. --Kumioko (talk) 20:43, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Request for NPOV review

  • Recently an editor has raised concerns regarding NPOV with some articles I had worked on prior to an extended wikibreak.
  • I have committed to no longer edit or watch these pages.
  • However, I would appreciate it if others could look them over with NPOV in mind, and discuss on their talk pages and make appropriate changes if need be.

Here are the articles:

  1. Jose Peralta
  2. Hiram Monserrate

I will not object to any changes proposed, discussed, or implemented.

Thank you for your time, -- Cirt (talk) 20:48, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Photo request for Menands, New York

If someone is in the area of Menands, New York and can drop by the Albany Rural Cemetery, I'd like to get a photo of a gravestone for William Bliss Baker, who is apparently buried there. Is there anyone here who could go there and take a good picture of the headstone, then upload it to commons and post a link here? I really appreciate any assistance. Thanks! ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 22:09, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of New York City Pedicab Owners' Association

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Created new article on US Supreme Court case = Time, Inc. v. Hill

I have created a new article on the U.S. Supreme Court case, Time, Inc. v. Hill. Feedback and especially help with additional research would be appreciated, at the new article's talk page. Cheers, — Cirt (talk) 00:18, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Article Request: Mid-Hudson Forensic Psychiatric Center

Hi folks-

Requesting an article on this place: — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:48, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Moves needed

The following cities need to be moved over redirects to remove the word "(city)" from their titles. All the cities in this list border adjacent towns. Only an administrator can make these moves.

--Gyrobo (talk) 00:42, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Unencyclopedic budget section headings

Our NY county articles are being spammed with unencyclopedic section headers regarding budget outlays and revenues. Not only is this information non-encyclopedic, it will be something hard to keep up to date every single year and creates blank sections that may never get filled in. I have tried reverting those counties under the NYCD wikiproject's perview but have been reverted by same spammer. I come here asking for opinions on next step.Camelbinky (talk) 15:09, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Your accusation My response
"Our NY county articles" You should familiarize yourself with WP:Ownership of articles as you clearly don't understand the concept.
"are being spammed" I added a budget section with a {{Expand section}} tag and a fully-cited statement about the county-specific sales tax to each county article. How exactly is that WP:SPAM?
"Not only is this information non-encyclopedic" So I assume you'll be WP:AfDing the article on United States federal budget, deleting sections California#State finances, Government of Texas#State Budget, Government of Florida#Budget, etc.
"it will be something hard to keep up to date every single year and creates blank sections that may never get filled in" So no article about a government entity should ever have a description of its budget because "it's too hard"?
"unencyclopedic section headers regarding budget outlays and revenues" You should familiarize yourself with WP:UNENCYCLOPEDIC as you clearly don't understand the concept.
"I have tried reverting [...] but have been reverted by same spammer" You're omitting a critical detail: You couldn't be bothered to provide a "a valid and informative explanation" in all ten of your wholesale undos. Per WP:REVEXP, "reversion is a complete rejection of the work of another editor and if the reversion is not adequately supported then the reverted editor may find it difficult to assume good faith"
"I come here asking for opinions on next step." No, you clearly came here to enlist others to do your dirty work for you, counting on the fact that they wouldn't bother to research the other side of the story.
-- DanielPenfield (talk) 17:02, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
I agree with this assessment; the information DanielPenfield (talk · contribs) keeps adding to these articles provides nothing useful, and should be removed. --Gyrobo (talk) 16:44, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
  • BTW, claiming "provides nothing useful" without further explanation is an "invalid argument" per WP:USELESS. You clearly are WP:EDITWARRING. -- DanielPenfield (talk) 17:02, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
    As Camelbinky said, the additions you've been adding to county articles have no encyclopedic value. They are empty section headers that put the onus on other editors to thoroughly research county government operations – and there's no guarantee that someone who actually did that would end up organizing the data that way. Instead of creating a large table refuting how Camelbinky came across to you, it would be more productive to discuss why the data you've copied and pasted into each article should remain there. --Gyrobo (talk) 17:23, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
Your claim My response
"the additions you've been adding to county articles have no encyclopedic value" Did you read the first sentence of Wikipedia:UNENCYCLOPEDIC where it states "''Unencyclopedic'' is an empty argument"? Or the last sentence that states "Simply answer the question, What guidelines does it violate, and how?"
"They are empty section headers" That is a falsehood as anyone who inspects the edits can easily verify: [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], etc., etc. They were strawman additions which contained two bulleted lists and a fully-cited statement about the county-specific sales tax.
"that put the onus on other editors to thoroughly research county government operations" Per WP:PRESERVE, "As long as any of the facts or ideas added to the article would belong in a "finished" article, they should be retained."
"there's no guarantee that someone who actually did that would end up organizing the data that way" Per WP:IMPERFECT, "Perfection is not required: Wikipedia is a work in progress. [...] The editing process tends to guide articles through ever-higher levels of quality over time."
"Instead of creating a large table refuting how Camelbinky came across to you" You had better believe that I will refute every calumny that you and User:Camelbinky charge, here or at User_talk:DanielPenfield#County budget sections are violations of policy, which, by the way, conveniently never mentions which policy is purported to have been "violated". I never, ever "spammed" anything. I never, ever "put the onus on" anybody. The claim that the articles in question are "Our [...] articles" is patently false. These are complete fictions that you invented that in your own imaginations.
"it would be more productive to discuss why the data you've copied and pasted into each article should remain there" Before these outrageous accusations of "spamming" WP:UNENCYCLOPEDIC material and howls of "provides nothing useful", I never would have expected that simply adding a "budget" section would be met with such vitriol. I would have thought that reasonable editors would have seen the "Budget" section header and {{Expand section}} template and been inspired to eventually expand upon those sections. Instead, you and User:Camelbinky summarily reverted that legitimate change, twice in some cases, contrary to WP:REVEXP, and now you are haughtily demanding "justification" for adding a section that exists in other easily-researched articles about government entities (California#State finances, Government of Texas#State Budget, Government of Florida#Budget, Illinois#Taxes, Contra Costa County, California#County budget problems, New Jersey#Fiscal policy, Economy of Virginia#Taxation, United States federal budget, etc., etc., etc.). Incredible.
Additionally, I'm also the editor who "spammed" (the claim being leveled in this talk page section) the tables of county executives into most of the upstate county articles ([10], [11], [12], [13], [14], [15], [16], [17], [18], [19], [20], [21]) which may be "hard to keep up to date every single year". Will you be wholesale reverting those without explanation as well?
-- DanielPenfield (talk) 22:00, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
Sorry, Daniel; I have to agree. Edits like this are not useful (with the possible exception of the sales tax, though I don't think that's particularly encyclopedic). Adding structure without actually adding content is not generally looked upon favorably. It's like adding a bunch of section headers without writing any prose. Powers T 13:00, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Waverly Confusion

As a native of the Village of Waverly I am attempting to clean up this article, the containing Town of Barton, and the confusingly same-named Town of Waverly, Franklin County, New York. I would appreciate any help, feedback, etc.

Naming the articles is just one issue. It seems pretty straightforward to me that to be consistent with Wikipedia convention for other towns and villages in New York (cf Owego), the primary titles should be "Waverly (village), New York" and "Waverly (town), New York," and I have created redirects for those entities for now, but it would be good to see the primary titles changed to something more consistent. Bardobro (talk) 14:07, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Actually, I think we prefer using the county name to disambiguate. In the case of Owego, both are in the same county (as the village is in the town), so we have to use the level of government to disambiguate. But in Waverly's case, disambiguating by county is available. I think county disambiguation is better because a reader is more likely to know what county a place is in than whether it's a town or a village. Powers T 12:55, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
OK, that makes sense. I have another thought. Maybe the article Waverly, New York should point directly to the Tioga Co village. It seems the town of Waverly (Franklin County) has no post office of its own, but I don't know if people in that area think of "Waverly" as a place, or use "St. Regis Falls" or other hamlets and locations. Anyone else know? If it's primarily an administrative division and not so much a familiar place name then it might make sense to rename the village article. Bardobro (talk) 14:55, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Peer review of William Bliss Baker

Please come participate: Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography/Peer review/William Bliss Baker. Thanks! ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 08:33, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Promote Articles from "Stub"

How do you get an article upgraded from "Stub", and given an importance score? I have done a tremendous amount of work on the "West Canada Creek" article, and I don't even know if it's been looked at. If anyone that can give a rating looks at the "West Canada Creek" would you please give me feedback? I have also started an article on "French Louie", and one on the "Adirondak League Club". DavidHenrickson (talk) 14:19, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

I added an infobox and a couple other things and changed it to Start class. It still needs work but I don't think its a stub anymore. --Kumioko (talk) 15:32, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Mexico (village), New York

Hi! At Mexico (village), New York I noticed that the 2000 census information is given in an image format instead of text. Shouldn't somebody type it into prose? Thanks WhisperToMe (talk) 07:35, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Well it's a volunteer project. If you have the time... Powers T 18:56, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

WikiWomen's History Month

Hi everyone. March is Women's History Month and I'm hoping a few folks here at WP:New York will have interest in putting on events (on and off wiki) related to women's roles in New York's history, society and culture. We've created an event page on English Wikipedia (please translate!) and I hope you'll find the inspiration to participate. These events can take place off wiki, like edit-a-thons, or on wiki, such as themes and translations. Please visit the page here: WikiWomen's History Month. Thanks for your consideration and I look forward to seeing events take place! SarahStierch (talk) 00:29, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

New York biography up for AfD

Can other editors please review the AfD for Frank Penale. It has been relisted after only four editors have commented on whether the subject is notable are not. Disclosure; I am the originator of the AfD.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 21:48, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Fellows v. Blacksmith/archive2

I've nominated this article for featured. Would appreciate comments from participants of this project. As a teaser, an 1857 New York Times article said: "The questions involved are of great magnitude, and affect more or less the title to a large portion of the State of New York." Savidan 03:02, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

4707th Air Defense Wing

The 4707th Air Defense Wing page is rated start/low importance on this project. IANA Project member, but I don't think this page should be in the project. The wing was located in MA. It had subordinate units located at three Air Force Bases in NY, but these units each have their own pages, which can be included in the NY Project. If anyone is interested in the wing, these pages link to its page.

I would suggest deleting it from the NY Project.

If it is not deleted, it is not Start Class any more. It is at least C Class, possibly B, Lineagegeek (talk) 01:44, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Thank you; I have removed it from the project. We do seem to have an overproliferation of topics tagged with our banner. I am an advocate of limiting out scope to people, places, and things that have had an active impact on the state rather than those that merely have a tangential, accessory, or coincidental relationship. Powers T 19:39, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

WikiProject SUNY (State University New York) was marked as inactive

I just wanted to drop a note that WikiProject State University New York was recently marked as inactive. I recommend pulling it under this project. --Kumioko (talk) 15:36, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Also Wikipedia:WikiProject Columbia University. If the New York project doesn't want to take them I will add them to the WPUS Supported projects list. --Kumioko (talk) 02:22, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
Since this discussion has been here since February with no opposition I am going to add these 2 projects to the WPUS supported projects list. I am also going to add WikiProject Cornell University. Please let me know if you have any comments or concerns. Kumioko (talk) 16:29, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Fellows v. Blacksmith peer review

I have requested a peer review of Fellows v. Blacksmith, an 1857 U.S. Supreme Court decision concerning Native American land rights in upstate New York. Input from members of this project would be appreciated here: Wikipedia:Peer review/Fellows v. Blacksmith/archive1. Savidan 03:22, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Sir William Johnson

Gentle Editors,

I must take issue with your designation of Sir William Johnson, 1st Baronet's biography as "C-Class, Low Importance" to the State of New York. He is a towering figure, to say the least, in both the history of the Province of New York, what was to become NYS, and what was to become the USA. Even NYS recognized his importance early on; by the very early 1800s (don't remember exactly when off-hand and this article left this information out) it sent agents out to buy and secure all of the Johnson papers they could for incorporation into the NYS Archives. I believe an agent was even sent to England to secure Johnson-related documents there. The WP article's failure to give him his full due is not the fault of history, but of this weak bio. It requires the attention of someone who is both knowledgeable about the period and has the writing skills to do him justice. As New Yorkers, we should be proud that this man chose to come here, stay, and cast such a long shadow across the place. Thanks for your time, Wordreader (talk) 01:20, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

I don't normally do assessments but yes, this was a case calling for correction so I did it. Jim.henderson (talk) 01:10, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

Stuyvesant High School

Stuyvesant High School has several faults that I feel compromise its FA status. Please see the discussion here. Ten Pound Hammer(What did I screw up now?) 05:18, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Category:Ithaca, New York

There's a problem with the category since it does not distinguish between the city and the town of which the city isn't part of. The category claims its main article to be Ithaca, New York which is the article for the city while the sub-category Category:Ithaca College should not be in the city category since it is located entirely within the town. --Matthiasb (talk) 18:34, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Willing to develop/found WikiProject Western New York

As a Western New Yorker, I am willing to collaborate and develop a WikiProject dedicated to the improvement of Buffalo/Niagara Falls articles.

--Dekema2 (talk) 19:58, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Could a Task Force be strong enough to handle the load? Jim.henderson (talk) 13:10, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Towns and villages

I grew up in upstate New York, so I'm no stranger to the sometimes byzantine system of villages and towns and cities. I know, for example, that Batavia, New York and Batavia (town), New York are separate entities. But I question the value to our readers (cf. WP:ASTONISH) and the ease of wikilinking when pages like Cuba, New York and Le Roy, New York are disambiguation pages. I'd be delighted if we could designate primary topics for these, or better yet, consolidate. I'm picturing a lede to the effect of:

"Le Roy is a town and village in Genessee County, New York."

Where a village, town, or city has distinctive characteristics, we can treat those in individual sections. And of course, this should be done with discretion; in some cases, especially page length, separate articles might be the best approach. It would not apply to settlements with the same name in different parts of the state (are there any?). --BDD (talk) 17:10, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Actually, we had this discussion some time ago at Wikipedia talk:Disambiguation pages with links/New York villages within towns, wherein the consensus was that the town encompassing the village should be the primary topic, meaning that the disambiguation pages should be moved to "Foo, New York (disambiguation)" titles, and the "(town)" pages should be moved to the "Foo, New York" titles. There's a complete list of pages to be moved on the project page. I just haven't gotten around to doing it, and would welcome help in doing so. bd2412 T 19:00, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
Done. Cheers! bd2412 T 23:50, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
Glad to hear it! This should be a positive to readers. Thanks, BDD (talk) 23:57, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Category: Films set in New York

The category, "Films set in New York" should be further sub-divided by region. Right now, it is sub-divided into those set in New York City, and those set in NYS. Along with NYC, there should be one for those set in Long Island, the Capital District, and so on. Do you all support this idea in the abstract? Chrisrus (talk) 18:40, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

I can't see why it wasn't sub-divided before. I'm all for it. ---------User:DanTD (talk) 15:17, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of television stations in New York

FYI. postdlf (talk) 22:24, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Article tagging in relation to subprojects

There's a bit of discrepancy between the scope of this project and what's actually being tagged as within the scope. Many Long Island, New York City, or Hudson Valley-specific articles are tagged only for those subprojects, while some others are tagged for both. I can see the point behind tagging everything that's specific to an area of the state with just the subproject, and also the point in tagging them with the state project and the subproject, but right now the practice is horribly inconsistent.

Thus, I propose three ways to move forward:

  1. Tagging everything covered by a subproject with just the subproject's banner.
  2. Tagging everything covered by a subproject with the subproject's banner and the state's banner.
  3. Tagging everything covered by a subproject based on their importance to the state. If it would be low-importance on the state level, leave it tagged for just the subproject. If it would be any higher than that, tag it with the subproject's banner and the state's banner.

One egregious example at the moment: WP:WPNY/A lists Brooklyn as an example of a High-importance article, but at the moment it isn't even tagged for this project. – TMF (talk) 21:04, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

I'm leaning toward #3, with maybe not even mid-importance things automatically included at the state level. Daniel Case (talk) 21:46, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
A modified version of #3 that only includes high and top-importance articles is fine by me. I just suggested mid-importance and up as a base for further discussion. – TMF (talk) 22:14, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
(omigod, an edit conflict!) Yes, Number 3 makes sense. This WikiProject New York has been relatively inactive. For a while there was more activity in several local subprojects, though those may have lost steam too. Anything in a subproject should be considered already part of the New York level project. Option number 3 expresses that, reserving right for state-level project to indicate something more important at the state level. No example comes to mind, though. Thanks for your interest. --doncram 22:17, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
In theory, articles tagged by subprojects are part of WPNY, but in reality the only articles that are part of this project are the ones tagged with this project's banner, since any article not tagged with {{WPNY}} isn't included in the assessment statistics. This is what I was alluding to in my original post: tagging everything (#2) gives a true assessment of the quality of articles across the state; tagging everything not covered by a subproject (#1) gives an assessment of the state excluding subprojects; and hybrid option #3 would give an assessment of the quality of the state's most important articles.
While some projects go for #2 to keep tabs on the entire state, I think that's a slippery slope to go down. I mean, where do you stop tagging articles as part of a project? The national level? Continent? World? Meanwhile, #1 would exclude articles on some of the state's most prominent locations and concepts, like New York City. #3 seems like a happy medium, tracking only the articles that are most important to the state while leaving lesser articles to be handled by subprojects where they'd receive a higher importance rating and likely more attention.
I'm well aware that WPNY has been inactive in recent months/years, and this is part of a larger effort to jumpstart it once again. – TMF (talk) 22:40, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

I remember once proposing that the NY subprojects become task forces. That way they'd all share the same banner while remaining autonomous. Does that sound like a viable option to anyone? --Gyrobo (talk) 21:18, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

I'm of the belief that projects should only be demoted to task forces if they're no longer able to sustain themselves. The New York City and New York state route projects definitely don't fit that bill, but some of the others might. The repurposing of the Syracuse project as a Central New York task force was proposed as early as 2009, and the Western New York project appears to be DOA.
Trust me, from personal experience, a one size-fits-all approach never works when it comes to this subject. – TMF (talk) 22:18, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
I think it's worth consolidating and subsuming inactive WPNY "subprojects" into task forces even as just an administrative action. Having task forces established should encourage any intrepid project-starters to build a posse in the main project first before spilling out and not vice versa. Now you have their mess to contend with. czar · · 09:46, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

If no one has any objections over the next day or so, I'll begin implementing #3, with high-importance (instead of the proposed mid) being the lowest importance for which an article will be tagged for a subproject and the state project. In summary, anything high or above that isn't tagged for WPNY will be tagged, and anything mid or lower that is tagged for WPNY will be detagged. Again, this only affects articles that are tagged with a subproject's banner.

I'm not dismissing the task force idea, but from my personal experience it can be a controversial subject and it's something that should be decided by the members of the subprojects, not this one. – TMF (talk) 01:45, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

I like the exceptions you put in for statewide officeholders and state-level historic events. With those exceptions, I'm mostly okay with "High-importance" and higher... however, I think state parks and possibly some non-Big-4 pro sports teams (those competing at the highest level in their respective sports) ought also to be exceptions and thus tagged with WPNY. Powers T 21:14, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
I put the exceptions in after realizing that the original High- and Top-importance only proposal would exclude many of the state's most important historical figures, like DeWitt Clinton and Robert Moses. I'm not sure if state parks warrant an exception, though: while they're designated at the state level, very few of them are of statewide interest. Most of them probably don't even register at a countywide level.
I'm open to adding an exception for teams playing in the highest league for their sport for semi-consistency with the "Big 4" High-importance criteria. – TMF (talk) 22:04, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
I'm thinking primarily of Letchworth, Alleghany, and Niagara Falls State Parks, I guess; they're not big enough to qualify as a "large geographical region" (and thus High-importance), but they're of statewide interest. I agree a park like Hamlin Beach or Chimney Bluffs doesn't need an exception. Powers T 22:49, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
I agree with that idea, and I've adjusted the importance scale accordingly. – TMF (talk) 23:17, 23 October 2012 (UTC)


Option #3 has been fully implemented across the state. There are many mid- and low-importance WPNY articles that should be moved to one of the subprojects per WP:WPNY/A, but I'll leave that effort to the members of said subprojects. – TMF (talk) 07:56, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Which project for Dinosaur BBQ?

Please see discussion at Talk:Dinosaur Bar-B-Que#Project scope. Powers T 17:04, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Hamlets in Lewis County

I was looking at the GNIS data for Lewis County, and they have a LOT of hamlets listed. I felt they should be represented here somehow. After seeing the archive about notability, it became clear that they should NOT have their own article for each little one. So I created a list article: List of hamlets in Lewis County, New York. I think it is a good starting point. However, I have some questions and would like opinions:

  1. For each hamlet, should there be a redirect page to point to the list?
  2. Should each hamlet be listed in the Lewis County navbox (Template:Lewis County, New York)? Or should I leave it as I have it now with a "List of other hamlets" link at the bottom? I see that the navbox for Oswego county (Template:Oswego County, New York) lists them all.

As an FYI, I have a program to scrape most of the data from GNIS, so I can create lists like this for other counties easily, should that be desired. Thanks --Arg342 (talk) 20:52, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Most (if not all) articles on New York towns contain a list of all of the hamlets within that town. Given that, I don't know that we also need coverage of hamlets on a county level. I work on articles relating to roads, and when I come across a hamlet that's a redlink, I turn the link into an anchored redirect that points to the town's hamlet list. One example is Bushnell's Basin, which goes to the list of hamlets in the town of Perinton. – TMF (talk) 05:01, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Eponymous villages and towns

Please see Wikipedia talk:Disambiguation pages with links/New York villages within towns#Strong concerns. When a reader searches Wikipedia for "Skaneateles, New York", should they be sent to the page for the town or the village? Powers T 21:54, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Hell's Kitchen (U.S.)

The usage of the name "Hell's Kitchen (U.S.)" is under discussion, see talk:Hell's Kitchen (U.S.) -- (talk) 01:12, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

List of New York State Historic Markers county-level lists

Right now, the county-level historical marker lists are "List of New York State Historic Markers in __ County, New York". Comparable lists in other states include the state name just once, e.g. List of Indiana state historical markers in Monroe County or List of Pennsylvania state historical markers in Beaver County. Since New York doesn't place historical markers in other states, the ", New York" on the end seems redundant, or we could remove it from the start of the page title. Plus, the page is historical marker, not historic marker, and capitalisation is also an issue. What if all of these lists were moved to "List of New York state historical markers in __ County"? Nyttend (talk) 21:48, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Yes, it looks to me like a good idea. Jim.henderson (talk) 11:52, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Need "External Link" section on "Potsdam Sandstone" page

Could someone add an "External Links" section to the Potsdam Sandstone page?

I would like to add the following relevant links:

"The Potsdam Red Sandstone Quarries," "Scientific American," Vol. LXVIII, No. 1, New York, January 7, 1893, pp. 1, 8-10.

"The Potsdam Red Sandstone Company’s Water Wheel," in "Scientific American," Vol. LXVIII, No. 3, January 21, 1893, pp. 37-38.

Quarry historian (talk) 23:33, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

  • Done. For future reference, this kind of request may get faster attention on the article talk page. --Orlady (talk) 15:24, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

WikiProject SUNY

Anybody familiar with WikiProject SUNY? I thought that project should've been linked to WPNY, but I saw no sign of a connection. I'm seriously thinking of tagging their page with a WPNY tag. ---------User:DanTD (talk) 05:02, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

It appears that the project was "absorbed" by WPUS (or at least its assessment banner was) for some bizarre reason a while back. It would certainly make more sense for its article assessment to be handled by WPNY and its banner. That said, apparently WPUS also does the tagging for Columbia and Cornell universities. The way I see it, if one is moved from WPUS to WPNY, they all should. – TMF (talk) 20:34, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
Bizarre reasons is more like a non-consensus that was given the bold treatment. I would assume at that point no one stood up to save it. If we were take it back, just deem it a TF of WPNY? Mitch32(The man most unlikely to drive 25 before 24.) 21:42, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
As I understand it, the SUNY project is a full, independent WikiProject that just had its assessment taken over by another project. So, it would be more of a subproject than a task force, albeit one whose assessment is handled by the WPNY banner. – TMF (talk) 15:32, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
You are correct TMF. Just to give some background on this I am the one who included it as a supported project under WPUS. I started a discussion on the SUNY talk page and on the talk page of WPNew York. At the time NY felt the project was inactive and didn't want it and no one commented on the Suny project talk page at all about the suggestion so after a long wait for comments I added it. With that said, I stopped supporting the WPUS project and the supported projects a few months ago so if you want to break it back out into its own banner or add it to WPNY feel free. Its fine with me and the WPUS project is basically dead now since there is no one acting as a coordinator. If you need help let me know. Kumioko (talk) 03:36, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
What Kumioko means is that, with his stepping down as co-ordinator, there's no longer anyone at WPUS who thinks it's a good idea to include everything which has anything in the least to do with the United States in the project and is willing to usurp other projects for that reason. Before Kumioko, articles went into the most reasonable and logical WikiProject, and post-Kumioko they can do so as well, but during the Kumioko regime, WikiProject United States was a great vacuum cleaner that sucked up everything in its path. Beyond My Ken (talk) 11:34, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
Ken I would appreciate it if you wouldn't try and get in my head. I have enough voices to contend with already. And what you are saying is ridiculous. I said exactly what I meant to say. I was the coordinator that got things done, did the maintenance, the newsletter, the collaboration, a lot of the assessment, day to day maintenance, etc. I never forced anyone to do anything but what I had was a bunch of loudmouthed bully editors scream bloody murder every time I tagged an article. Who were repeatedly allowed to show article ownership issues and didn't want to collaborate with anyone outside their cliche but because no one had the balls to enforce the policy I was the asshole for trying to make the project work. How dare I. So now the project is dead and editors like you with attitudes just like yours won. I'm sad to say I shouldn't have expected people to want to actually work together on here to build a better encyclopedia. They just wanted to stake their own claims and get credit. BTW before Kumioko tens of thousands of articles weren't tagged, they weren't assessed, they didn't have infoboxes, persondata, portals, categories or references. Hundreds didn't even exist. Before Kumioko dozens of projects were inactive or defunct (and they soon will be again). But because some editors who were allowed to "own" their articles, edit war and violate 3RR and generally act like assholes the WPUS project faced opposition at every turn. Thanks Ken, thank you so very much for all your help in helping the project to succeed. Let me suggest that next time you have smart ass comment about something you don't know anything about keep it to your self. Kumioko (talk) 13:31, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
Assume good faith.
Kumioko was just doing what he felt was best when there was no one interested at that time in adopting inactive wikiprojects, and there were no objects. If there are other potential more focused (geographical or subject oriented) wikiprojects who wish to take up the burden, good. Unfortunately, at the time that was not the case. There is no reason for anyone to point any fingers, everyone has good intentions, lets all be civil and work together. Now that WPNY wishes to take up the responsibility, great. As I said at WPKS regarding their potential un-amalgamation, I saw WPUS as a central discussion board for those WikiProjects that did not have many (or any active) eyes on their pages when the need to form consensus arose; no harm in that.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 14:40, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
It would make more sense for all those projects to be bannered under WP:NYstate, or if the WPUS-Education project still existed, also bannered under that. Though Columbia may be more appropriate under WP:NYC. -- (talk) 09:03, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
As I suggested above thats fine and seems like a good idea. At the time NY didn't want to do it so I added them to WPUS. If they want to do it now great. Kumioko (talk) 13:33, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
I plan on migrating the SUNY, Cornell University, and Columbia University WikiProjects over to WPNY sometime this weekend. – TMF (talk) 06:24, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
I didn't catch the comments made by the anon poster about Columbia before I hit save. I tend to agree that Columbia University would probably be a better fit for WPNYC since it is based in Manhattan. That said, if WPNYC doesn't want to take the project on board, WPNY will add it at some point. – TMF (talk) 06:34, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

All of Cornell, Columbia, and SUNY's articles have been switched to the WPNY banner, which was upgraded to support the three projects. If WPNYC wants to take on Columbia University's project at a later time, that's fine; I just added it to WPNY for now since WPNYC didn't. – TMF (talk) 08:50, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

I recommend dropping a note at WPUS to let them know. They should remove the projects from the supported projects list and remove the code for these projects from their template. Otherwise it may cause confusion. The transition also orphaned a number of categories that were supported under WPUS but not under the WPNY banner so they should be deleted as well. (talk) 17:41, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
A message about the change was posted to their template's talk page about a week ago. Assuming someone from the project is watching that page, they've known about this for a while. – TMF (talk) 01:01, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
It would probably have been better to put it on the project page if you really wanted comments from the project but it doesn't really matter. The project isn't really very active anyway so you probably wouldn't have gotten much response anyway. (talk) 13:03, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
In fairness to all participants here, please note that the IP editor 108...125 is User:Kumioko. Beyond My Ken (talk) 05:33, 20 February 2013 (UTC)