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Requests for closure
Administrative discussions
(Initiated 821 days ago on 30 May 2022) I request that this be formally closed. It appears that there may be a consensus here, but the result of the discussion needs to be logged. Thank you.--Rusf10 (talk) 17:56, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
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Requests for comment
(Initiated 897 days ago on 14 March 2022) No new comments have been made for one and a half months. I think it's ready for closure. WARNING: The subject is very controversial and the discussion has become very extensive (I apologise for my part in having perhaps contributed to that excess...). Closure would be greatly appreciated. Thank you! LongLivePortugal (talk) 14:16, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
(Initiated 852 days ago on 29 April 2022) We have decided to close this RFC to partially rewrite it and start a new one. A formal closure is necessary in order not to create confusion with the new RFC that will be started. --Scia Della Cometa (talk) 07:35, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
- I agree with User:SDC's closure request. --Checco (talk) 08:58, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
- After reviewing the discussion in the subsequent talk page section, especially in light of the comments volunteers at WP:DRN, I do not believe there is consensus to close this RfC. Though I would appreciate a second opinion on this prior to marking it as not done. Sideswipe9th (talk) 03:29, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Sideswipe9th: Maybe we should wait the now open ANI thread. I feel like closing that RfC would be for the best, not so that they can start a new, very similar RfC, but so other users can discuss on what the best options would be for the next RfC, so a broader WP:RFCBEFORE. My fear of closing the RfC now, though, is that they will see this as a green light to start the other one. Isabelle 🏳🌈 21:55, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Isabelle Belato: Yeah, I think that may be best given the circumstances. At the time I wrote this last night, the ANI thread had yet to be filed, and that certainly has the potential for changing the underlying situation. Sideswipe9th (talk) 21:59, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment In the meantime I had stated that some changes to the current RFC were enough to prevent its closure, I don't understand why they were rejected. And if I'm asked not to start a new RFC after the closure of the current one, I wouldn't start it. It seems fair to point this out.--Scia Della Cometa (talk) 09:54, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- This is now at AN/I.—S Marshall T/C 16:21, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- Looks like the ANI thread closed yesterday. I'll ask on the article talk page if the participants there still wish the RfC to be closed. Question asked. Sideswipe9th (talk) 19:58, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
- This is now at AN/I.—S Marshall T/C 16:21, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment In the meantime I had stated that some changes to the current RFC were enough to prevent its closure, I don't understand why they were rejected. And if I'm asked not to start a new RFC after the closure of the current one, I wouldn't start it. It seems fair to point this out.--Scia Della Cometa (talk) 09:54, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Isabelle Belato: Yeah, I think that may be best given the circumstances. At the time I wrote this last night, the ANI thread had yet to be filed, and that certainly has the potential for changing the underlying situation. Sideswipe9th (talk) 21:59, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Sideswipe9th: Maybe we should wait the now open ANI thread. I feel like closing that RfC would be for the best, not so that they can start a new, very similar RfC, but so other users can discuss on what the best options would be for the next RfC, so a broader WP:RFCBEFORE. My fear of closing the RfC now, though, is that they will see this as a green light to start the other one. Isabelle 🏳🌈 21:55, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
- After reviewing the discussion in the subsequent talk page section, especially in light of the comments volunteers at WP:DRN, I do not believe there is consensus to close this RfC. Though I would appreciate a second opinion on this prior to marking it as not done. Sideswipe9th (talk) 03:29, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
- RfC would benefit from closing just so it's done. — Ixtal ( T / C ) ⁂ Join WP:FINANCE! 12:50, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
(Initiated 833 days ago on 18 May 2022) Vote count is 7-1. Last vote was June 11; the three more-recent posts have been about non-contentious technicalities. The page itself seems pretty lifeless, but I don't want to close myself because I responded to the RfC and it involves everyone's favorite perennial source. SamuelRiv (talk) 19:04, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
(Initiated 831 days ago on 19 May 2022) Request formal closure of this expired RFC since it was started to deal with a lengthy and heated debate, involves RL political issues, and may attract real-life attention. Abecedare (talk) 11:33, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
(Initiated 830 days ago on 21 May 2022) Please review this discussion. --Jax 0677 (talk) 07:58, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
(Initiated 824 days ago on 27 May 2022) Discussion has appears to have slowed (there is some additional new discussion in a sub-section on sources that shouldn't affect how this is closed) and the RfC template was automatically removed due to expiration. —Locke Cole • t • c 15:37, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
(Initiated 819 days ago on 31 May 2022) Requesting closure of RfC for inclusion of Australian Indigenous placenames within the lead and infobox of articles. This discussion has stagnated for long periods of time and there is no new arguments being added. It would be helpful if the closer had knowledge of Wikipedia naming guidelines, notability guidelines, and potentially a basic knowledge of history or linguistics. Poketama (talk) 07:14, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- It would also be helpful if the closer could wade through a morass of discussion caused by a poorly-formatted and vague RfC. What is really needed is a more focused question, rather than some request that Indigenous names must be included in lede and infobox regardless of appropriateness or reliable sourcing. Consensus from experienced editors seems to be that these should be included on a case by case basis according to existing Wikipolicy, rather than mandated. The WP:SPA nature of editor raising the RfC should laso be noted. --Pete (talk) 20:21, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- I edited in a clarification on the question shortly after posting the RfC and I think it can be resolved from the content of the discussion what the result was, rather than re-doing an RfC that has taken months. Users who were unsure of the meaning of the question still gave thorough explanations of their opinions, which can be used to reach consensus.
- Additionally, the meaning of the question has repeatedly been explained to Pete. I'll note that Pete is one of the primary parties in the dispute and thanked me for starting the RfC, as well as doing the formatting of the RfC themselves (See here: User_talk:Poketama#RfC) Poketama (talk) 14:01, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
- Very true. Still the question is poorly formed and the discussion consequently rambling. Making Indigenous placenames mandatory in the lead - for that is the effect your question seeks - is very poor wikipolicy. There may be no reliable sources, and WP:UNDUE always applies. The way forward, as found in discussion aimed at resolving the RfC, is for involved editors to collaborate in writing an essay giving guidance for the case-by-case decisions favoured by most respondents. Your contributions in that effort would be most welcome; this is something we have to get right and opening the gates for crusaders from either side is just going to turn Australian geographical articles into a bitter morass for years as cultural warriors throw stones at one another. We work together to produce a useful and respected encyclopaedia, not to sing our team songs as we piss in our opponents' beer. --Pete (talk) 23:43, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
- The RFC tag shouldn't have been deleted, but rather left to expire. GoodDay (talk) 02:46, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
- Comment - Should an RFC not be allowed 30 days prior to closure? --Jax 0677 (talk) 23:03, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
(Initiated 821 days ago on 30 May 2022) Needs a formal close. Iamreallygoodatcheckers (talk) 23:29, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
(Initiated 822 days ago on 28 May 2022) Request closure of this RFC. Slywriter (talk) 23:51, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
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Other types of closing requests
(Initiated 1127 days ago on 28 July 2021) Major backlog of requests needing closure czar 17:58, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
(Initiated 939 days ago on 31 January 2022) Please review Talk:Death_of_Michelle_Go#"Alleged". --Jax 0677 (talk) 17:35, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- I oppose this close request. Jax 0677 is requesting to close a normal talk page discussion, where multiple editors disagree with his use of "alleged" and "allegedly" in one way or another. Such a close is non-standard and not beneficial to anyone except for Jax 0677. Others might want to comment on the topic. For example, Jax 0677 was recently involved in an edit war at the article with Zedembee, who last edited on June 18th. Zedembee's last edit was to challenge Jax 0677. So Zedembee might want to comment in the discussion when returning. GBFEE (talk) 21:01, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
(Initiated 896 days ago on 16 March 2022) Discussion about a change in the general notability decline message for AfC. There is disagreement about whether consensus was found for the last (bulleted) proposal, and a template edit request was declined. I started a discussion to address the open question (what to do with the decline messages for topics with an SNG), unaware of this declined edit request. Would be good to have a formal closure, so that the new discussion can build on that. Femke (talk) 20:08, 11 June 2022 (UTC)