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I've moved earlier discussions to archive pages (as listed below). A few of the items I've simply got rid of - if I have, it's simply that it was trivial and/or stuff which has been dealt with, and is therefore no longer relevant. The deletion is not a reflection of my opinion of the writers!

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Suburbs of Dunedin

I think you have probably noticed my working through the suburbs of Dunedin adding demographics and making general improvements. You seem to have been the main author on most of these. When several suburbs are covered in the same article with redirects, eg Kenmure and Bradford being included in Kaikorai Valley, I've mostly left that structure as is. Sometimes I've split those articles into new ones, as with Concord, because the fundamental character of Concord seems at odds with Burnside. I'm happy to go back and split some of the existing multi-surburb articles, or combine statistical areas in different ways, if you think that would be more appropriate.

Kew and Corstorphine are next on my list. Should I create an new article for Kew? Should I split Forbury from St Clair? Should I combine Forbury with South Dunedin instead? The three schools in South Dunedin are technically in the Forbury statistical area. The other one that's coming up: should I split Tainui, New Zealand out of Andersons Bay, and if I do, should I split Ocean Grove out of Tainui?

You or any other editor are always welcome to tweak the surrounding suburbs or any other aspect of my edits. I don't have the local knowledge so I've probably got some things wrong.

If you post messages to me on the talk pages of any of these articles, please ping me, because I don't usually put them on my watchlist.-gadfium 04:10, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi G - Forbury could be split out (it's probably more similar to Caversham than to either St Clair or South D in any case), and definitely Ocean Grove can be split - it has quite a different feel from Tainui. Tainui could probably combine with Musselburgh as easily as it could with Andy Bay; there'd be nothing wrong with having it as a separate article though. I originally only added them as redirects because there were so many of them and the boundaries aren't really that strict for the most part - also it would have led to some very small articles unless I was willing to put in the hard yards on research, and I was too lazy :) Grutness...wha? 05:02, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Great, thanks for the advice. I take it you don't suggest Kew should be split from Corstorphine. I'll probably add demographics to them later tonight.-gadfium 05:09, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I missed that one! It probably could be, but it wouldn't be a priority. Grutness...wha? 05:11, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Cafés in the Czech Republic

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Hm. Looks like someone had emptied a bunch of these categories inappropriately. All but one of the five nominated for speedy deletion have now been repopulated. Grutness...wha? 12:15, 13 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

A cup of tea for you!

Just added a stub template...and again fondly remembered you...I hope life treats you well. You are still going strong I see. Time flies, really. Toodle pip :). Lectonar (talk) 13:43, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that @Lectonar: yes, it's been a while since we've been in touch! I'm here on and off, when the Real World allows... then my obsessive-compulsive side comes out and I do a few thousand edits in a week :) Hope things are fine with you! Grutness...wha? 14:51, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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@Salavat: Good Lord... is that old thing still in existence? I made it as a temporary stopgap 17 years ago! Delete at will. Grutness...wha? 11:05, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Haha, must of managed to slip through the cracks. 17 years just sounds like an unimaginable time frame for anything on Wikipedia. Salavat (talk) 14:33, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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State Highway maps

Kia ora Grutness - I noticed that you seem to be the user behind many of the route maps for the NZ state highway / other route articles. I'm planning on whipping up some articles in the near future for some of the red links (Thermal Explorer highway, Wine trail and so on), and was wondering whether you'd be interested in doing accompanying maps for the articles so that they're able to stay consistent? Turnagra (talk) 04:13, 12 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Heh - that was ages ago! Yes, if I can find the template I used, I'll do that :) Grutness...wha? 07:33, 12 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Boring -> Born

Hi there, thanks for picking up on that unfortunate typo on my end over at Nicola Toki. Nauseous Man (talk) 22:38, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It was the funniest typo I'd seen all week! :) Grutness...wha? 02:50, 12 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Red House (paris)" listed at Redirects for discussion

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Yes, that's why I moved the article in the first place. Grutness...wha? 02:55, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Just noticed your Otago update to Template:Seismic faults of New Zealand

You are rather more active on Wikipedia than me. Once lived in house in Dunedin that in retrospect I was convinced was likely to have been built on a historic fault escarpment related perhaps to the Kaikorai Fault. If so the escarpment displacement indicated a past event of 7+ Mw on this rarely active fault. Less relevant to major faults with higher risk I was there for the 1974 4.9 Mw that brought down neigbours chimmeys ChaseKiwi (talk) 13:54, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There are quite a few faults round Dunedin, but thankfully they are at the least dormant. You're right though - the 1974 one was a rattler. FWIW, I live out at St Clair. Let's hope there are no more 7+ quakes in the immediate future! Grutness...wha? 03:24, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Bill Ditchfield

Hi. I noticed that you'd edited The Tumbleweeds recently. I happened across Ditchfield's article which, at the time, was about his brief cricket career. They're definitely the same person though, so have incorporated some details from the band article as well as the draft article that was created on Ditchfield. You might want to have a look and see if there's anything else obvious that needs adding. Blue Square Thing (talk) 20:30, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi - thanks for that. I can't think of anything else. All I was really doing was trying to save an article from deletion - the Tumbleweeds at least are worth an article, even if individual members are perhaps less so. But if Bill was also a first-class cricketer, that changes matters and his article is definitely worth having too. Grutness...wha? 03:23, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Islamic organizations established in 1935

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Hm. Someone must have emptied it. Ah well, so be it. Grutness...wha? 08:24, 28 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm...we had some problems with empty categories recently, see here. Might be a glitch. Lectonar (talk) 08:21, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Could be connected, but I doubt it. It would make more sense if someone's just decided to make these categories by decade instead of by year though. Grutness...wha? 11:11, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Source?

The fact that much of low-life is unsourced is no reason to add another unsourced statement: please add a ref. Thanks. (Feral (disambiguation) is on my watch list). PamD 07:14, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The fact that it is unsourced is also no reason not to add another statement either. And I was busy hunting for some references after my network went down. I'm adding them now. Grutness...wha? 12:04, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of Dignan

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@Mccapra: If you'd taken ten seconds to look, you'd see that a vandal had removed text from the page. It has been a perfectly sensible redirect to Ó Duibhgeannáin for more than a decade. I thought there was also a guideline not to boilerplate such notices on long-standing editors (with 18 years on WP - 16 of them as an admin - and over quarter of a million edits, I doubt I need reminding about using the sandbox!) Please check a page's history before slapping a speedy deletion notice on it! Grutness...wha? 02:32, 7 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hear, hear. Schwede 66 04:43, 7 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies and thanks for pointing out my mistake. Mccapra (talk) 06:30, 7 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No problem - apologies from me for being grumpy! :) Grutness...wha? 07:31, 7 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Happy Eighteenth First Edit Day!

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Happy First Edit Day!

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Ghost/paranormal sections

Can I ask why you are adding the above to articles. Aside from the fact they appear completely uncited, I'm at a loss as to how you think doing so enhances the 'pedia. KJP1 (talk) 14:34, 13 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

In what way does it not enhance the encyclopaedia? It is extra meaningful and relevant information about the subject of the articles. As it happens, I simply added the ones from the Paranormal Lockdown article where there was no cross-reference to the location articles. All the other locations with articles that were dealt with in that series already had similar information in their articles. Why the double-standard where some of those links are perfectly acceptable and other identical links to other articles aren't acceptable? In any case, many articles for locations which have a reputation for hauntings have information about those purported hauntings in their articles. And that information is there because it is relevant information about the locations. And before you suggest it, it doesn't matter whether hauntings are real or not - the fact that the fame of these places is in part because of their reputation is no less relevant than talking about a myth relating to a city's origin or name. As for being uncited, all the citations are in the Paranormal Lockdown article. Grutness...wha? 14:51, 13 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Can I suggest you don’t edit war, hardly suitable behaviour. If you really want this nonsense to appear, then make a case for it on the relevant Talkpage. And Other Stuff Exists is an extraordinarily weak argument for an admin to use. Crud exists all over the place on here, because people haven’t noticed it/had the opportunity to clear it up. I remove all paranormal nonsense from every historic building article I see, unless it has at least a half-way decent cite. And mentions on TV programmes that specialise in this sort of garbage don’t constitute reliable sources. KJP1 (talk) 14:56, 13 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Whose edit warring? I simply added references, as you suggested. Please stop deleting my perfectly acceptable additions to articles. You don't own them. Grutness...wha? 14:59, 13 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

An admin, who thinks a promotional site for a ghost tours business, [1] constitutes a Reliable source. Wonders will never cease. KJP1 (talk) 15:23, 13 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

So, you're ignoring the BBC source, then? By the way, are you really claiming that I am using "Other stuff exists" - a fallacious argument in deletion discussions - for adding something to an article? Not really the same thing at all. Firstly, it wasn't added as part of a deletion discussion (so doesn't apply), and secondly, any encyclopaedia should aim for internal consistency. If you wish to start a larger-scoped discussion about removing all mentions of hauntings from Wikipedia, so be it - but don't pick and choose individual articles. Grutness...wha? 01:48, 14 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Gordon H Brown

Hi there,

I have just put up a page for Gordon H Brown the New Zealand art historian. If you have a moment could you give it a quick look to make sure there are no terrible mistakes! I wondered about using a disambiguation as there are so many Gordon Browns. If you thought this was called for I would go for (art historian). Cheers mmd

Manymanydogs (talk) 02:12, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'll have a look, though I don't know much about Gordon H Brown. As long as there are no other Gordon H Browns I don't see the need for parentheses, though make sure he's listed at Gordon Brown (disambiguation). Grutness...wha? 11:32, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I've moved the page to Gordon H. Brown (with a full stop) as is standard, added a link to the dab page I mentioned, and added a group of categories. Other than that, from what I can tell it looks pretty good! Grutness...wha? 11:39, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page watcher) I've made a redirect from his full name Gordon Harold Brown and added him to List_of_people_with_surname_Brown#Art_and_architecture. And Yes, Success: he is linked from List of honorary doctors of Victoria University of Wellington by his full "Sunday" name. It happens quite often, so it's always worth adding a link from the full form of someone's name (as used in honours lists etc) and also from any other version you find in any source, or which could otherwise be likely. Sometimes it needs a dab page entry or a hatnote. Always worth then checking the "What links here", just in case you've found a guitarist or tennis player with the same name, so that some disambiguation or piping is needed. PamD 16:43, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that, really appreciate it Manymanydogs (talk) 17:50, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers Pam - good work all round :) Grutness...wha? 01:22, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Happy New Year, Grutness!

Happy New Year!

Grutness,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.
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And to you too! Happy 2023! Grutness...wha? 23:43, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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@Felix QW: Given that you're talking about an image of a Wikipedia page, it should be obvious that the attribution is CC-by-SA, as is stated on the image page. In any case, the image was only uploaded temporarily with the understanding that it would be deleted once the problem illustrated was fixed. Sixteen years ago. Why no-one deleted it shortly after its use is a mystery to me. PS - for future reference, it's not normal practice to use a boilerplate template implying that someone is new to Wikipedia's standards and policies when messaging long-standing Wikipedians (which I think I qualify as, having been an admin here for a decade and a half!) It's no biggie to me, but you will find some editors getting very annoyed about it. Grutness...wha? 13:04, 5 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Grutness,

Sorry for the template, and for not being clearer - the notification template is added by Twinkle when notifying editors after placing a speedy deletion tag for a file. The derivative work refers to the Internet Explorer browser rather than the Wikipedia page, and the quickest way to have it deleted now is through a speedy deletion tag. I only noticed it because it has spent almost the entirety of its 16 year existence in a clean-up category for images with disputed licensing, which I am now sifting through to clear the backlog. I could of course have PRODded it instead, which may have been clearer. Felix QW (talk) 13:09, 5 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That makes sense - I never even considered that the browser image would be a problem! Could probably be speedied since I'm the only editor of the image file itself - all the other edits are clean-up/deletion template adds. In any case, feel free to delete it :) Grutness...wha? 13:20, 5 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Philip Clairmont

Hi there, I was thinking of doing a page on Phil Clairmont and found you had already done one some time ago. I knew Phil very well and would like to expand the page but seriously don't want to cause you any grief given how kind you have been to this newcomer to Wiki. Not sure how to move forward on this. Would it be appropriate for me to send you a copy of what I have? And if so what is the best way to do that? - can you look at my sandbox page for instance. Essentially I have expanded the biography and added an exhibitions section. Strangely the name Clairmont was invented by Phil's mother and not given to him until he was quite old...no idea where she got it from. Hope your New Year has started well. Cheers, Manymanydogs (talk) 21:09, 9 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Manymanydogs: Don't worry about it - go ahead and post what you have on that page. Wikipedia doesn't work by one person "owning" a page - if you can improve on a page that's already there, just go ahead and do so - but don't be surprised if someone else comes along and edits or adds more to it again later! The only proviso I'd make is to make sure what you put there is referenced - knowing the person you're writing about is a big advantage, but it can also be a problem because anything that put there which you simply know by acquaintance and isn't referenced might be challenged as original research or conflict of interest. Other than that though, feel free to add whatever you have to the article. Happy new year to you, too! Grutness...wha? 01:47, 10 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, thanks for that. Will check it over and make the changes later in the week. Manymanydogs (talk) 02:30, 10 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No prob :) Grutness...wha? 02:31, 10 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Good article reassessment for Princes Street, Dunedin

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Spring (season) events in Kosovo

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Someone seems to have gone around emptying all of these seasonal categories, which is a shame, but... well, pick your battles, eh? Grutness...wha? 02:56, 28 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

18th Adminship Anniversary

Grutness, I had to add a more personal touch to the template and thank you, not only for the time you spent as an admin here but for your message of community. I fully believe we need more co in community and I support any effort to build the community as a structure around the encyclopedia bolstering its purpose and effectiveness. You have my upmost respect and appreciation. I see your Colors and I hear your Song. Keep shining and keep singing. Remember to be a Rainbow in someone's sky, today. --ARose Wolf 18:39, 15 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! I'll do my best :) Grutness...wha? 02:27, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed deletion of Luhwa

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St Peter Chanel School (disambiguation)

Hallo, I'm puzzled by your move: there doesn't seem to be a primary topic, so surely the dab page should be at the basic name? Or am I missing something? PamD 23:46, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I was puzzled, too, TBH. Schwede 66 23:55, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

My bad. Tired editing :) I'll move it back. Grutness...wha? 00:35, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

These things happen! Thanks. PamD 06:10, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Index troubles

Hi there, Sorry to use you to patch up my errors again, but noticed that in the Robert Leonard page the category listings for 'New Zealand curator' and 'art writer' have Robert's name indexed under R rather than L. As you can imagine I have no idea how to sort this out. Can you help? Cheers Manymanydogs (talk) 18:53, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Manymanydogs: Sure. It's easy - there's a special "magic word" template called Template:DEFAULTSORT. You add it above the category links at the bottom of the article with however you want the categories to sort (in this case, {{DEFAULTSORT:Leonard, Robert}}). If you want some categories to index one way and others in another you can pipe categories in exactly the same way as you pipe article links (e.g., [[Category:New Zealand curators|Leonard, Robert]]). Hope that helps :) Grutness...wha? 00:41, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination of Jennings, Saint Mary for deletion

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it's all fading away^talk 00:43, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Bizarre. Perfectly acceptable article, now saved. Grutness...wha?

Cornwall football teams

What is a football league pyramid? And why single out one team? That is what I meant by puffery. Also you gave no source. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 07:14, 11 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Murgatroyd49: The football pyramid is the English football league system. Truro City FC is by far the highest ranked Cornish team, in level six, two flights below League Two. The next highest-ranked Cornish team is Mousehole FC, two flights lower down in level eight. There are several Cornish teams in level nine (Falmouth Town, Helston Athletic, and St. Blazey), which is where Mousehole played last season - it would thus seem odd to include them and not the other three teams. So it was a case of listing just Truro or listing five teams. This is all thoroughly cited and sources in the articles on Truro City F.C. and National League South, and the pyramid is explained at English football league pyramid. BTW, "puffery" means excessive hype, which would be a very odd description for what I added, which was factual objective information relating to sport in Cornwall. Grutness...wha? 12:36, 11 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Much more accurate to say they play at various levels in the English football league. Must say that during 50 years working in sports coverage, I've never heard it referred to as a pyramid. Teams being in the lower leagues is hardly noteworthy enough to warrant mention in the county overview. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 13:11, 11 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

None of them play in the Football League. They play in the English football league pyramid, and all the clubs are below the Football League level. And the level of the top Cornish team in the pyramid is definitely noteworthy enough for the sports section of the article. I'm amazed that someone who has worked in sports coverage so long has never heard of the pyramid - it is the standard way of referring to it, and has been for quite a few years now. Everyone from the BBC to the Premier League refer to it in that way. The same term has become common in other national football league systems, from New Zealand to Ghana. Grutness...wha? 13:35, 11 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Page moves

Thanks! Could you do the same with James Clark (New Zealand cricketer) - seems to have been known as Bernie so Bernie Clark - which is a redirect - would seem to be the best option. I don't think I can move over redirect (if I can please tell me how to!!!). If you get a chance. Thanks. Blue Square Thing (talk) 16:51, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

OK - will do. Grutness...wha? 04:37, 18 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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