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Errors in the summary of the featured article

Please do not remove this invisible timestamp. See WT:ERRORS and WP:SUBSCRIBE. - Dank (push to talk) 01:24, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Errors in "Did you know ..."

Current DYK

The DYK on Fang Yi'ai states "his wife Princess Gaoyang was forced to commit suicide after their failed rebellion". However, there is no mention of suicide in the linked article on Princess Gaoyang, which states: "They stormed the palace but were stopped and captured. Gaoyang and her husband were executed by hanging shortly after." The only mention of a suicide on her page is the category: "Forced suicides of Chinese people". Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 13:43, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Confirmed. Secretlondon (talk) 14:19, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

It wasn't even approved like that. Someone made up another hook as it looked hookier! Secretlondon (talk) 14:26, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

The hook that was approved in the DYK hook review is now on MainPage. --PFHLai (talk) 16:15, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

@Secretlondon and PFHLai: both hooks were approved in the nomination. Could you please explain the logic of dismissing a hook based on what is in another, much more poorly-written article? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:49, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Approved? The reviewer wrote "I can't promote ALT1...." I'm staying away from it. Trouble avoidance. No one is complaining about the original hook. --PFHLai (talk) 18:47, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

@PFHLai: I wasn't able to promote ALT1 because it hadn't been approved, but I was able to AGF approve it as it complied with WP:DYKHOOK.--Launchballer 22:16, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

PFHLai, a reviewer cannot promote a hook they approved. This was a fundamental misubderstanding of the DYK process on your part and Secretlondon's. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 22:20, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

The actual quote is "I can't promote ALT1 as it introduces new information, but it is AGF sourced, interesting, and short enough" Secretlondon (talk) 23:15, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

The DYK on the Larmanjat guided rail system describes it as being "successfully demonstrated in England", but the demonstration system was actually built in France, according to the article itself. FourteenDays (talk) 16:29, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

The third paragraph in the Lisbon steam tramways section says Sharp Stewart delivered the first locomotive to Buckhurst Hill, Essex, in December 1872, where a length of demonstration track had been laid. Public trials were held ... Performance was satisfactory on the first day, ... Clark, Punchard were authorised to continue construction in Lisbon. Buckhurst Hill, Essex is in England. --PFHLai (talk) 18:55, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

 Not done as not an Error. Schwede66 23:10, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Errors in the summary of the featured list

Friday's FL

(June 14)

Monday's FL

(June 10, tomorrow)

Errors in the summary of the featured picture

Notice to administrators: When fixing POTD errors, please update the corresponding regular version (i.e. without "protected" in the page title) in addition to the Main Page version linked below.

Tomorrow's POTD

POTD is missing. 21 hours left to fix it. June 11 and 13 are also not ready yet. Art LaPella (talk) 02:50, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

General discussion

More ITN picture silliness

A bold but brutally effective military strategy.

The first impression you get from ITN at the moment is that the Sri Lankan army have captured Mullaitivu, which is apparently in the middle of the Mediterranean. At least to those of us who read left to right and up to down like virtually everyone else on the planet, and aren't familiar with en.wiki's stupid formatting policies. As can be seen from the current image, the Sri Lankans chose to surprise the French by landing on the poorly-defended western coast adjoining the Bay of Biscay. They then stormed through the southern French mainland, which let's face it, isn't the most difficult of military campaigns. After sampling the local wines they crossed the Mediterranean and captured the well-known Tamil Tiger stronghold of Corsica.

No, I agree, that wasn't at all funny. Either align that shit or caption it for god's sake. --81.157.142.106 (talk) 23:40, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

A rather enjoyable story I must say. They're probably behind all these recent avalanches in Afhghanistan, Scotland and Turkey too, an added effect of their stomping carelessly across Asia and Europe. Presumably one of the slightly more insane members of the army got lost in Belgium along the way too... Chickens were dancing like hell along there and I knew they were all connected! --➨♀♂Candlewicke _S^T _# :) 02:29, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

As it appears you are already aware, this issue is discussed in the FAQ and in a section above. Saying the same thing over and over again is not going to achieve anything. As I've mentioned before, if you do the work to come up with a solution that works and pleases everyone, you might get things changed. If not, you're just wasting your time by coming up with silly stories. Incidentally, I don't know why you aren't more concerned about the people who think that Edward III, his mother Queen Isabella and her lover Roger Mortimer all lived at the Moscow State University because of yesterday's SA/OTD Nil Einne (talk) 00:07, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Er, Nil Einne, I agree with you that ITN formatting is that way for good reasons (lets just take every single previous discussion of this as already read, okay?), but 81.157.142.106 has a good point here - this particular combination of image and lead item is very bad. More to the general point, we know that people sometimes just assume that the lead item and image are related, so we ought to be careful not to confusion. All it takes is one moment to think about how people might mistakenly associate the image and lead item, and a willingness to reject images that might confuse people unduly. I realize that our new articles don't always have appropriate images to choose from, but we should still avoid confusion like this. — Gavia immer (talk) 07:14, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

81.157.142.106, stop being silly and get a wide screen monitor. The ITN pic will be next to the corresponding news item if the column is wide enough. Or look at the top of Portal: Current events. --74.13.127.206 (talk) 13:13, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

why dont we put the "(pictured)" before the text of the item so it is immediately obvious to those with narrow screens which is the pictured item Machete97 (talk) 17:10, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Because that will either result in us having to put pictured twice or people having to guess what precisely is being pictured or having to be unnecessarily verbose in all instances. (If you don't get what I'm talking about, pay a bit of attention to ITN or even just look at some of the current headlines. I don't know if we had a picture for the de-excommunication item but there are 6 people that could be pictured there. If we had pictured Benedict or that bishop we just put it besides their names, the same if we picture all 4 excommunees?) Nil Einne (talk) 17:49, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

(pictured) before the item, caption explaining it.Machete97 (talk) 10:18, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Where to put the caption? --74.13.129.119 (talk) 14:48, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Where do captions usually go ? Great example here with the map. Machete97 (talk) 15:54, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Where do captions usually go on the Main Page? Nowhere. And this is the problem. In the absence of captions, we use the text "(pictured)". See Nil Einne's post at 17:49, 26 January 2009 (UTC) for an explanation to why putting "(pictured)" before the item won't work. --74.13.129.119 (talk) 16:06, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

I really don't understand the problem with the current situation, surely any new poeple to wikipedia are going to read the whole of the ITN section and see (pictured) next to the pictured article, and anyone who has been here longer will know that the picture is not always of the top article. I believe the problem is coming from people who are just too lazy to bother reading beyond the first article, yet can spend the time writing a big long argument demanding the picture be moved. If it is moved to be alongside the correct article the rest of the layout would look wrong as all four boxes use the same format of picture in the top right corner. It also seems to just be the ITN that gets the most complaints when DYK and OTD also do the same thing. Dark verdant (talk) 16:25, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

"surely any new poeple to wikipedia are going to read the whole of the ITN section"? dont think so. even if you do scan the thing for the (pictured) it takes a minute to find it (should maybe be in bold?) and if you aren't looking for it ie. a newcomer, it could appear that the Sri Lankans had invaded the Bay of Biscay and fought their way to the Mediterranean.

As per the post you mention, why not put (pictured) in bold at the start of the item, then elaborate in brackets and normal type at the end of it. this makes it easy to zone in on the pictured item, which leads you to read it, and with it a description of the picture.Machete97 (talk) 18:34, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Sounds like this will take up quite a bit of precious space. --PFHLai (talk) 21:36, 27 January 2009 (UTC) Not that I'm complaining about the "lack of space" on MainPage... --PFHLai (talk) 19:47, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Fair enough Machete97. I thnk someone had already mentioned that they did it bold at some time, can't remember who that was or when it happened. Also Nil Einne was explaing that you can't put (pictured) in front as it usually comes straight after the person or thing in the picture. An ITN sentence might mention more than one people or things so the (pictured) has got to go next to the correct one. Bold seems the best idea but if it has happened before and stopped there must have been a reason for it. Dark verdant (talk) 09:13, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

If the space is a problem it could be just (P) or P or PICTURED or Pictured or something at the start of the item, with the description of the picture as it has always been, such as after the name of the person mentioned as it is right now. Whatever we do it should be the same on DYK and OTD. Machete97 (talk) 14:45, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

I like the idea of (P) or P before the item, however will this just cause more complaints here demanding to know what it means.Dark verdant (talk) 16:07, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

If you saw the (P) or whatever and didn't know what it meant, then read the item/compared it to the others/saw the picture it should become obvious - but chances are there will still be people who don't get it. Machete97 (talk) 11:23, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Making the (pictured) bold seems like a reasonable solution, at least temporarily; if it was stopped for a reason, as Dark verdant suggests, then we will soon discover what that reason was. On the other hand, the practice of bolding the aside might have just lapsed due to thoughtlessness. Let's try it, I say... 168.9.120.8 (talk) 14:59, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

From memory, we tried making the pictured bold something but some people felt it too distracting. As they say, you can't please everyone. Edit: Yes I was right, see /Archive 108#Suggestion - "pictured" ITN item highlight. There may be more discussions, you can use our new search box to find them like I found this one. Nil Einne (talk) 11:52, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

looks like they considered PICTURED too. i agree with what they are saying there - bolding whole chunks of text like that doesn't look very good - but i think it would be good to leave it as it is apart from a (P) (or whatever is agreed) at the start of the item, so a quick look down the left margin of ITN, OTD or DYK will tell you which is pictured. 82.110.112.201 (talk) 15:59, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

I favor PICTURED. Not that distracting, unlike (pictured). –Howard the Duck 00:40, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Or like this. –Howard the Duck 12:48, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

I like that idea, though not sure how it would make the main page look with that in DYK, ITN and OTD. Might be best to see an example of the whole main page like that. It may look wrong with random blocks of blue everywhere. Dark verdant (talk) 15:24, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

DYK's first blurb always has a pic associated with it, so it'll only affect ITN and OTD, the two sections at the right. –Howard the Duck 06:16, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

P.S.: I really thought the photo was some nebula or something related to astronomy, until I saw a discussion at Template talk:In the news. –Howard the Duck 06:16, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Pic juxtaposition

For a while it seemed we had solved this problem, but today Jóhanna Sigurðardóttir's picture appears opposite two unrelated items.

If we can't move the pic, how about keeping the pic-related item at the top until a new pic is selected?

Sca (talk) 15:05, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

There is still a section further up dedicated to this topic, why not add to that discussion instead of starting a new one. There have been various ideas on how to counter it. Dark verdant (talk) 16:06, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

So moved. --74.13.129.109 (talk) 16:19, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Items are arranged in order of date. Spencer^T♦C 01:17, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

This is all so fastidious and irrelevant. The picture relates to the entire section of In The News, not the first entry. If you can't wrap your head around this concept after the first couple views than there's something wrong with you. Yeah, sometimes it's funny to see. Who cares? Right now, to correct this problem, there is a picture of Japanese Kanji next to the top story about a Japanese fraud. It's a picture of letters! It's not even relevant enough to be in the actual article. It's as interesting as having a picture of the words "NO TREES" next to a story about deforestation. When you see a top story side by side with a picture that doesn't match, do you get all flustered? Do you faint? Do you get on the phone and warn all of your French friends that India is attacking them, only to be painfully embarrassed later? Get over the slight incongruently, because now you're adding irrelevant data to the front page. The ITN picture should be whatever article has the most intriguing picture. Otherwise you're going to mostly end up with so dull meaningless filler up there. 173.49.91.134 (talk) 16:45, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

It's been replaced with File:UK snow February 2, 2009 img008.jpg, illustrating the London snowfall item, which is a big improvement. Note that the Enten image was used to replace an equally uninformative illustration of northern Colombia to go with the Titanoboa image. Frankly, it would have been better to keep Jóhanna Sigurðardóttir up for one more day. — Gavia immer (talk) 17:01, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Featured picture: Bugs and Birds bias

I have noticed a certain bias in the selection of featured photos in the wildlife realm. Not including today's picture (3rd Feb.) I have looked back at the featured pictures for January and of 8 pictures of flora and fauna there were: 3 birds, 3 insects, a cactus and a lizard/cameleon (didn't look too carefully.) This seems to be a long running bias in the selection of pictures. Remember there are other animals without wings and apart from those pesky humans. Comments? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kayakboy (talk • contribs) 23:00, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

It's merely a matter of what our high quality photographs depict, and what editors most interested in the featured picture process are, themselves, most interested in. In this sense, it is an example of systematic bias. Remember also that birds and bugs are some of the easier wildlife to find when you go out wandering- plants and, at the right time of year, fungi are also abundant, but a lot of people find them boring. (We don't have any featured images of fungi, as far as I know.) We also have a lot of featured pictures of space topics, as NASA releases images into the public domain. The best way to counter something like this is to nominate pictures of other types- I'm sure there are plenty of images on our servers that could be featured with a little attention. J Milburn (talk) 23:07, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

And has anyone else noticed the recent trend of hot air balloon related pictures? Alphabet55 (talk) 02:48, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

To put it a different way, it's a lot easier to get a high quality photograph of a Paper Wasp or Red-eyed Tree Frog in a relatively natural environment then it is to do likewise for a Siberian tiger, Python molurus or Blue Whale. Also if I'm not mistaken images on TFP are basically shown mostly in order of promotion. This is unlike TFA where there is selection and an abundance of article so it is possible to reduce systemic bias by giving a lower priority to classes of articles repeatedly featured and a higher priority to classes of articles rarely seen. BTW, I did a very quick search and didn't find any fungi FP. So it's possible JM is right. According to Wikipedia:WikiProject Fungi there is a decent web source for free pictures of fungi so you could be the first to guide a FP of a fungi to the main page, hint hint. Nil Einne (talk) 09:51, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

File:Backlit mushroom.jpg is our only fungal FP, which can be found in Wikipedia:Featured pictures/Sciences/Biology (not in Wikipedia:Featured pictures/Plants because fungi are not plants). As for the birds/bugs bias, we had a whole lot of bird and bug FPs promoted in quick succession (starting the middle of Wikipedia:Featured pictures thumbs 12 and continuing into group 13, which is where we are now); I've actually been spacing them out to about 1 each per 8–10 days so that they aren't all clumped together. howcheng {chat} 17:48, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

@Alphabet55: Yes, two in the last month! Not only that, but we've had two photos related to polar expeditions in the last month as well. When will the bias end?! howcheng {chat} 18:35, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Another fungi picture we have is File:Haeckel Lichenes.jpg, so discount what I said earlier. We do have a lot of decent fungi photos, I'm considering nominating a batch for featured status to help bulk out the fungi portal. J Milburn (talk) 16:50, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

BIrds, insects and restorations are the FP staple and has been since I started closing nominations (coming up to two years). Fortunately for you I will promote another fungi pic today. I'd also like to advise against flooding FPC with fungi pics because you'll find that lots of similar-looking pictures => hardly any reviews => non-promotion. MER-C 03:58, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

How do you explain the blatant anti-cat bias in the featured pics? Ceiling Cat (talk) 04:15, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

What blatant anti-cat bias? --74.14.20.60 (talk) 05:25, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

There's a blatant anti-cat bias on the main page. There haven't been any cats on the main page is months (years?) This is despite the fact that there was widespread support for a daily kitten feature. Ceiling Cat (talk) 05:38, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

I want ducks on the Main Page everyday. Especially if they don't wear pants. –Howard the Duck 07:40, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Can we have File:Lynx kitten.jpg on MainPage as a FP on St Mark's Eve or the following day (April 25), please? That's the only cat in Wikipedia:Featured pictures/Animals/Mammals. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 17:01, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Girl with a Pearl Earring TFP

Thanks Wikipedia, I scroll down to TFP and nearly have a heart attack upon seeing the image. That's some scary......erm, stuff!! --293.xx.xxx.xx (talk) 08:56, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Wow, bit of a hyperbole, no? Well, it's done its job.  GARDEN  09:28, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

What's scary about it?173.49.91.134 (talk) 16:50, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Sgurr nan Spainteach

The link to info about this mountain in the "did you know" section takes you to the wrong page 81.110.33.251 (talk) 17:39, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

What is the proper page to link to? Please suggest a new link on WP:ERRORS. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 18:01, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

The link is piped to Sgurr na Ciste Dhuibhe, which mentions Sgurr nan Spainteach as a subsidiary peak. Presumably it doesn't have its own article. --Herald Alberich (talk) 20:01, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

"investment scam"

As this is currently under investigation and nothing has been proven this should be re-worded to avoid implication of guilt. WP:BLP applies. Exxolon (talk) 19:41, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Nothing in the summary suggests to me an implication of guilt. He was arrested, there is a scam. Not "he participated in a scam". —Verrai 20:24, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

If there is a scam, someone did something illegal. No-one has been convicted in a criminal court of doing something illegal; some have been arrested for doing something illegal, but they are innocent until proven guilty in court. Until someone is proven guilty of fraud or some similar crime, it is an alleged scam/fraud/whathaveyou. Every single decent media source on the planet refers to ongoing criminal cases in this way. --81.157.142.106 (talk) 00:52, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

But not for any sense of moral obligation. Only out of fear of being sued. --Nricardo (talk) 03:47, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Proposal to add an ongoing issues and events section

I'm proposing the addition of an 'ongoing issues and events' section to the main page. The reason is that there are ongoing issues which are current and relevant, regardless of when they start, which appears to be the guiding principle regarding how long links are displayed in the current events section.

Currently, a list is kept on the current events page as a sidebar. My contention is that some of these are of interest to most people who visit the main page, and deserve thus to be there. Featuring these on the main page would also generate more attention for them, driving up interest in developing them further, and with more depth.

At issue for me is the Global financial crisis of 2008–2009. I think its currency, broad relevance, potential impact, and probably lengthy duration indicate its importance with regard to current events. Further, the topic has serious depth, as how it affects different countries is complex and requires treatment.

Certainly, for this one issue, just keeping it sustained in the current events portal would work, and Im wondering what current events people think of that (this is crosslinked there). But there are other ongoing issues of interest, are'nt there? They aren't "news," in one sense of the word. But they are news, in quite another. Thoughts? -Stevertigo 22:33, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

You may consider suggesting this at Wikipedia talk:2008 main page redesign proposal. Spencer^T♦C 22:47, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Though the fact that it's the '2008 main page design proposal', and we're in the second month of 2009, suggests that sticking your head in a bucket of shit may be a more productive and less stressful use of your time. --81.157.142.106 (talk) 00:55, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Erm.. call me optimistic! :) -Stevertigo 09:40, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Here's my take: If an article/story is truly a major event, then there will be no shortage of updates or related stories which can force it back to the top, "artificially" keeping ongoing events on the template. A recent example was the war in Gaza. If there are no updates to "bump" the story, then it's debatable if it is actually important enough to merit a permanent place on the main page. Also, you'll have far better luck trying to do this just through WT:ITN then the main page redesign proposal. Random89 20:02, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

TFA

Is the image for TFA (File:Dan Castellaneta cropped.jpg) really relevant to the article? I mean, I know that he guest starred, but... —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 04:46, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

At the very least, (pictured) needs to be inserted after the mention of Castellaneta. The connection between that image and the article isn't exactly self-apparent... -Elmer Clark (talk) 11:45, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

(pictured) has never been used on a TFA to the best of my knowledge. The note is used more to help indicate which article on a list is being illustrated, rather than exactly what is being pictured. I don't really see the problem. J Milburn (talk) 12:21, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Why we didn't we use David Cohen in his Bender shirt? The link is clearer and the quality isn't much worse; it looks pretty decent in thumbnail. Plus, it's used in the article. -- Vary Talk 16:15, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Of course, the main reason I came here to see if the image was being discussed was because I clicked on the article to find out who the guy was, and was annoyed that I had to go back and click on the image because the pic wasn't there. So I guess my question is less 'why didn't we use a picture that's in the article' and more 'why didn't we put the picture we wanted to use on the main page in the article'? The only place I can see to put it, though, is in the spot where the DXC image is now, and meh... -- Vary Talk 16:22, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

The image on Cohen's shirt is copyrighted. Is that a problem? Need to crop off the bottom half? Do we need Cohen's name to appear in the TFA text on the main page? --74.13.125.144 (talk) 20:26, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

WIKINEWS ? !!!

Please tell me why wikinews writes only about deaths, new catastrophies and stuff like that.

It's not news —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.255.152.35 (talk) 11:30, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Are you talking about Wikinews or the "In the news" section on our Main Page? --BorgQueen (talk) 11:37, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

If You are talking about wikinews and you do not like the content you can become a reporter. You simply Need to singn up for a wikinews account the wiki markup languge in that site is the same as wikipedia.--Koman90 (talk) 20:01, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Plant and Krauss

Why not use File:KraussPlantNIA2008.JPG which pictures them both together?? Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 22:16, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Because when shrunk to the size for ITN, nobody will be able to tell what's going on in that picture. howcheng {chat} 22:19, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

I still can't tell what is going on in that picture. It looks like those microphone stand are singing into the mouths of those two people? 173.49.91.134 (talk) 00:14, 10 February 2009 (UTC)