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July 6

Our Stories Films information

The information displayed is inaccurate. The page needs a complete overhaul, please could you assist us in doing so.

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ourstoriesfilms (talk • contribs) 00:02, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

The OP seems to be referring to Our Stories Films. Dismas|^(talk) 01:28, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

I see that somebody has posted to your talk page about conflict of interest and your unacceptable username. Your best course is to create new personal accounts, and then post to Talk:Our Stories Films, disclosing your connection with the subject and explaining what changes you think should be made to the article - with citations to independent reliable sources. --ColinFine (talk) 07:23, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Books Go Poof - Is There Light At THe End Of This Tunnel Or Is That Let Another Train?

Hello all,

I'm not going to take a lot of anyones time here because I can taste ground enamel in the back of my mouth so I'll get strait to the point:

I had begun to use the Book Creator to gather research rather that my previous approach of just squirting it into Acrobat and editing offline. Not pretty, but it worked. Book Creator seems to have worked alright, so I made the decision to forge ahead undaunted. I am still getting strait to the point - those are just some fun facts to know and tell.

I just spent over four hours preparing handouts and lecture notes, and as one who more or less charges (or at least is paid) by the hour, I was impressed. As I began to finish, adding some bibliography so I could download the work and take it to the next stage of slides and lecture and study guide, your server blew a socket. traceback through the TCP log indicates that is all that is was, one minute it was there, the next, the little Delete This Page from your book (owtte) red thingy was gone, and I was there looking at a nice picture of a Greek bust and coming summarily unglued. If anybody has any ideas about how one deals with this, that would be dandy. If not, the next question will be along the lines of how my Foundation gets its donation back.

I will just sit here, having thanked you all in advance for your sage advice and refrain from my remarking on my recent study about Wikipedia.

With hopes somebody knows where all that work went, I do most certainly remain,

With Best Regards

WikiMinstrel (talk) 01:16, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

If the book is not visible at Special:Book then I'm afraid it is lost. Only autoconfirmed or confirmed users get an option to save books at Special:Book. I have confirmed your account so you can save periodically in case there are problems again. Hopefully you can reconstruct the book faster than the original creation. Your browser history may help you find pages you have visited. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:46, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

edit conflict

I don't know where else to ask this, but sometimes I have self-edit-conflicts. Why is that? A person who has been editing Wikipedia since October 28, 2010. (talk) 04:08, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

The most likely reasons for this is that you have several browser tabs or windows open simultaneously and edit the same page in more than one. That or you use the back button to go to the edit page rather than clicking on an edit link. Stuartyeates (talk) 04:17, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

I have been saving, clicking “Stop”, then saving again, is that a problem? A person who has been editing Wikipedia since October 28, 2010. (talk) 05:40, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

I have also been saving, then hastily typing extra info in, and clicking Save again while it is loading. That's the problem, right? A person who has been editing Wikipedia since October 28, 2010. (talk) 05:43, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

I find the explanations and examples at WP:Edit Conflict very useful - does that help explain what happened? CaptRik (talk) 07:57, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Yes. Also, recently I have been clicking Save, without any other clicking or typing, and having edit conflicts with myself. I only typed the info, saved, and conflicted. I am sure it is myself that is being conflicted. Is that a bug/glich/crash? A person who has been editing Wikipedia since October 28, 2010. (talk) 16:11, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Maggots are also known commonly as gentiles

Why is it other than what may be perceived as political correctness and erring on the side of caution that no mention of this word ‘gentiles’ appears in the wiki explanation on maggots? It is certainly the word frequently used in Europe when purchasing these items in bait shops for fishing. The word is actually 'GENTIL' but becomes 'Gentiles' in plural form. I would hate to think that this fact is omitted for no other reason than the same one for changing the words to popular nursery rhymes. Even if this fact was included with an explanation as to why it is no longer commonly used would make wiki a more comprehensive reference don't you think? Michael Shea.

This is the help desk, for asking questions about or on Wikipedia. You may post this question at the Wikipedia:Reference desk. Also I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 6 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. A person who has been editing Wikipedia since October 28, 2010. (talk) 05:45, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

The word you are looking for is "gentle" without the "i". See wikt:gentle#Noun. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:08, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

As to why that word does not appear in Maggot... Based on the talk page and a very quick scan through the article's history, I think the reason it doesn't include the word gent or any variation is that no-one's thought to add it. You're welcome to do so yourself. Adrian J. Hunter^{(talk•contribs)} 07:11, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

By the way, it's core policy here that Wikipedia is not censored. Wikipedia aims to use neutral language, but not to suppress ordinary words for fear of causing offense. Adrian J. Hunter^{(talk•contribs)} 07:21, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Can I post a completed article to get feedback here? Just want to make sure that the article is Wiki correct and that it does not get deleted?

Can I post a completed article to get feedback here? Just want to make sure that the article is Wiki correct and that it does not get deleted? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nadirhasan (talk • contribs) 04:38, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

No, but you can either show me a link to the article, or type the name of the article here, and I will respond and check. Also, please remember to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). Thanks, A person who has been editing Wikipedia since October 28, 2010. (talk) 05:41, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

It would be better to create the article first using the Article wizard. Then you can follow the directions at Wikipedia:Requests for feedback, which is a page especially for getting feedback on newly-created articles. Adrian J. Hunter^{(talk•contribs)} 07:01, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the Feedback Adrian.

Nadirhasan (talk) 02:19, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Transwiki a template

I would like to use Template:Fmbox on my personal wiki. Problem is I have no how to do so, everything seem to break when I try to import templates because of their dependency on other templates. 74.33.120.35 (talk) 06:05, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

See mw:Help:Templates#Copying from one wiki to another

Other than that, this is a MediaWiki issue, I'm afraid. I suggest you see MediaWiki's Help Page instead. You can also try asking in the MediaWiki Users site.-- Obsidi♠n^Soul 13:58, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

An update I did is visible only to me

Yesterday I updated one entry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invenio but unfortunately the updated version is available only to me.

Other users (and myself with another PC) still see the previous version.

I have updated entries before and never had such an issue.

What is the problem?

Thanks in advance (Redacted) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.141.28.51 (talk) 06:36, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Are you using internet explorer? I have noticed multiple times where edits do not appear using Internet Explorer, especially if a transcluded template is involved. Ryan Vesey (talk) 06:44, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Your edits appear correctly in the history of Invenio. Occasionally server glitches cause problems like what you've described. I've just purged the article, which will hopefully clear up any problems. Adrian J. Hunter^{(talk•contribs)} 07:05, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, it works now! Just for info, I had done the first update at midday with Firefox on Ubuntu(Linux) and then last night saved again (the updates would appear in Edit mode...) with IE and Windows. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fcosta23 (talk • contribs) 07:20, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Dechra Pharmaceuticals PLC

To whom it may concern,

Please note that the following paragraph on Dechra Pharmaceuticals is incorrect and should be removed. The information does not relate to Dechra.

An 'elite' division held in a secret, tropical location strive for continued success under strengthened management simply known as Q, L and S. This location has recently held an awards ceremony to showcase the most innovative advances in AI analyts. This site has become renowned for its automated systems and concise, clearcut decisions that have created overwhelming success in this part of the world throughout the 23rd Century.

95.177.27.204 (talk) 08:30, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

The vandalism to Dechra_Pharmaceuticals appears to have been removed [1]. CaptRik (talk) 09:19, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

'Quarter-Final' vs 'Quarterfinal'

Hi. I have been having on-going discussions in various places regarding how 'quarter-final' should be written on this site. The format varies on different pages & in some cases, it varies on the same page. Having done some research & received replies from others who have researched this, it appears that 'quarterfinal' is the American English version whereas 'quarter-final' is the English version (although Collins, an English dictionary, appears to prefer 'quarterfinal'). I want to try to come up with a standard for this site but I realise this is both a) picky and b) a pain to maintain for the administrators. HOWEVER, if I was to edit pages myself to change the format to 'quarter-final', would I be in the wrong? I have tried doing this a number of times on the Wimbledon Championships pages but my edits were reverted. Not knowing the rules, I undid the revert a number of times & was politely (and correctly) put in my place.

Therefore, my question is: Am I allowed to change 'quarterfinal' to 'quarter-final' on pages without my changes being undone? Obviously this also applies to 'semifinal' vs 'semi-final'. This probably seems like extreme pedantry to most people but it is something that I am passionate about!!

Any comments would be very gratefully received. Thank you. FingersLily (talk) 08:31, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

I *think* that the consensus is that each article is allowed to have its own variation on words based upon national language differences, but it must be consistent within each article. In case you've not seen it, Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#National_varieties_of_English seems to cover this. CaptRik (talk) 09:27, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks CaptRik. That link does help to clarify. The problem here is that, if I were to change examples to my own preferred format, would I be in the wrong & would my changes be undone? There were issues with the Wimbledon_2011 page in that both styles were used on the same page. When I pointed this out, everything was changed to the style that I do NOT like. I would like to change this page but fear that I would get into trouble & find my changes undone. What is the rule regarding this situation? FingersLily (talk) 10:51, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

I would suggest you need to raise a discussion on the specific article's talk page to seek consensus for changing it. And unfortunately you (and everyone else) should then abide by the consensus even if it goes against your personal opinion. CaptRik (talk) 11:33, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Here's a modest suggestion: how about, since you said there were different variations, use the non-dashed version (“quarterfinal, semifinal”) on American tournaments, and the dashed version on other tournaments? In this case Wimbledon is British/English I believe so it would be dashed. Thanks, A person who has been editing Wikipedia since October 28, 2010. (talk) 21:51, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:New_contributors'_help_page

Resolved

What happens to Wikipedia:New_contributors'_help_page? Why is there a redlink? I answered a question in IRC a few minutes ago and get this link saying that the page doesn't exist. Either remove that box, or change the link to an existing page! mabdul 09:53, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Nice linking job Manytexts (talk) 10:20, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

? I copied it from the URL :p mabdul 11:32, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

I guess you mean the link on "Ask a question about a practical problem you have". The page was moved and somebody deleted the redirect without checking WhatLinksHere. The link has now been changed to the new page name. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:45, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

It's amusing that the project page is fully protected, but neither of the transcluded pages that make up all its content is fully protected. —teb728 t c 11:53, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, thanks. That was the problem. mabdul 17:07, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

middletons black and mild

Is there anyway i could get yall a better profile pic for middletons black and mild.better than a black an mild in a shit ash tray with electrical cords an a empty box in the back ground.it just seems a little cheap as if only poor ppl smoke them.it just seems there has to be a more artistic pic out there or i could take a better one an send it to wikimedia.

Just linking to the article for everyone... Black & Mild And to answer your question, you could take a better picture and upload it. See WP:UPLOAD. Note though that you'll need an account first. --Dismas|^(talk) 10:46, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Why do so many Wikipedia place pages read like a travel brochure or real esate broker's article

I think the soundness of Wikipedia's content is being severely damaged. Many place sites are written by real estate brokers and travel guides. I can barely figure out how to post here let alone edit elsewhere, I'm just wondering what is being done. I try and look up information about a place in Thailand and all it talks about is what a great place it is for Westerners to retire and how the housing there is a hot commodity and the locals are known for their friendliness. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.252.210.19 (talk) 10:52, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia is always a work in progress. Most editors dislike advertising and will remove it on sight; there are several policies about this. If you could tell us which article(s) you think have been written by real estate brokers and travel guides, perhaps we could try to do something about it. Astronaut (talk) 12:01, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

More generally, many articles about places are written by local residents using their "local knowledge", and reflect how they would like their places to be seen by outsiders. That may not be how it's supposed to be, but that's the way it is. Ghmyrtle (talk) 12:10, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

The problem, as outlined by Ghmyrtle, is that most such articles are created by local residents and not a lot of other editors see them. Adding to the problem is that there are a limited number of experienced users in Wikipedia, and we can't keep track of all articles easily. Nonetheless, we do try our best to fix such issues if we find them, or at least alert the main contributors to reword what they had written.

It's not only a matter of dislike though, it's a matter of policy. Anything that sounds promotional is forbidden in Wikipedia (see WP:SOAPBOX). If you find that the tone of an article (including geographic articles) is inappropriate for an encyclopedia, you are more than welcome to reword it or remove the blatantly promotional parts (see WP:NPOV). Be bold, all of us are volunteers here. -- Obsidi♠n^Soul 13:34, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

You could also add the tag {{tone}} to the top of the article which inserts this text:

Rmhermen (talk) 16:22, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Notification of subject

I notice that when someone is discussed at a public forum like ANI, it seems to be the thing to do that the subject is notified on his/her talk page. Just for my curiosity, is there a guideline on such notification? —teb728 t c 11:12, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

At the top of WP:ANI, it says "You must notify any user who is the subject of a discussion. You may use {{subst:ANI-notice}} to do so." GB fan (talk) 11:20, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

See also Wikipedia:Notification although it is only an essay. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:28, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks to both of you. —teb728 t c 11:47, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

RMS AMP

Can you please specify equalent amps for 1RMS Amp. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.171.17.108 (talk) 11:56, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Welcome to the Wikipedia Help Desk. Your question appears to be a homework question. I apologize if this is a misinterpretation, but it is our policy here not to do people's homework for them, but to merely aid them in doing it themselves. Letting someone else do your homework does not help you learn nearly as much as doing it yourself. Please attempt to solve the problem or answer the question yourself first. If you need help with a specific part of your homework, feel free to tell us where you are stuck and ask for help. If you need help grasping the concept of a problem, by all means let us know. CaptRik (talk) 11:59, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Article idea - South African artist named Portchie

There is a rather prolific, famous, current artist in South Africa named Portchie. Seems like a good Wikipedia subject. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.211.98.199 (talk) 12:26, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

You are welcome to request an article on Portchie at Requested Articles or create one yourself. However you must ensure that it meets Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion.

The links on the Requested Articles page should help you proceed. CaptRik (talk) 12:30, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

How about alerting to folks over at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject South Africa about this too. He is indeed a well known artist and I get the impression that SA artists are sadly underrepresented on WP. Roger (talk) 12:58, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

just a help i can do

what is Cherophobia (fear of fun) ? you dont have any information about it — Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.212.246.46 (talk) 13:33, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a dictionary, I'm afraid. There are virtually an unlimited number of phobias, and we can't really have an article on all of the variants. Cherophobia is just exactly that - the fear of fun and happiness. The symptoms, etc. are the same for all phobias though. I suggest you see the article on Phobia instead.

You can also try asking this question at the Science Reference Desk. Cheers.-- Obsidi♠n^Soul 13:41, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

ELECTRIC POWER

I put a Electric tester in a socket's neutral,it shows zero voltage.we know that Alternating current is a sinusoidal.i.e.,for positive cycle it travels in one direction and for negative half cycle it travel in opposite direction.according to this,is phase and neutral reverses for every cycle in a socket or not? if not how electrons flow in a conductor for A.C. Also in d.c. vsnkumar (talk) 14:13, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

The neutral lead stays neutral, while the hot alternates positive and negative compared to it. Comparing the two, the current reverses each half cycle, but not both compared to ground/earth. DMacks (talk) 14:20, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Uncyclopedia

Hi, I think uncyclopedia is guilty of copyright infringement for having pages like wikipedias. It looks just like an article from wikipedia, but it is full of blatant nonsense. It may be helping to give wikipedia a bad reputation. You should file a lawsuit against them. Thanks, have a nice day! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.18.52.99 (talk) 14:54, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Isn't everyone entitled to make a wiki about whatever they want to? Wikis aren't exclusive to Wikipedia. Uncyclopedia might have unfunny garbage (as bad as some of the later work on ED by people who had no idea of good humor. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | Say Shalom! 15:16, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

It's a parody and quite harmless (at least it's not as vicious as the "humor" in the former Encyclopedia Dramatica) as long as you keep in mind that it's meant to be nonsense. Just don't mistake it for Wikipedia. It's also hosted by Wikia, Inc., a company founded by Angela Beesley and Wikipedia cofounder Jimmy Wales.

Furthermore, Wikipedia is completely free. Content in Wikipedia can be reused and redistributed (even for commercial purposes), provided that you credit the source. As long as they aren't claiming the copied content as their own work, they are not committing copyright infringement.-- Obsidi♠n Soul 15:23, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

(edit conflict)They look similar because they both use the free MediaWiki software. There are many, many sites that use a similar format. You're right that people sometimes confuse other sites with Wikipedia – last year this page received many complaints about Wikileaks, which has nothing to do with Wikipedia. Adrian J. Hunter^{(talk•contribs)} 15:25, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

• About copyright infringement: see Idea-expression divide. Making a site that looks similar to Wikipedia is not a copyright violation, because Wikipedia does not copyright its overall look and feel. However, some elements of Wikipedia's design are copyrighted, such as the Wikipedia logo, but Uncyclopedia does not use that.
• About confusing one Web site for another: when people deliberately try to make a bogus site masquerade as a real site, it's called phishing. Criminals do this to trick people into entering their bank account numbers, passwords, etc. But this involves much closer similarity between the real site and the bogus site than exists between Uncyclopedia and Wikipedia, and the people who created Uncyclopedia are not trying to commit fraud.
  • Sometimes people can be easily confused, though. We have an {{Astray}} template which creates a standard response to Help desk questions that seem to come from people who write to us as though we are the people or organizations featured in Wikipedia articles. A contributing factor might be that Google places Wikipedia articles high in its search results, so people might come to the Wikipedia article first before going to the organization's own site.

The lesson is that we should always pay attention to the real identity of whatever site we think we are viewing. --Teratornis (talk) 16:55, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

New category - African American Women

A category, Category:African American Women, was recently created. I can't put my finger on it but it seems wrong to me for some reason. Besides the fact that it should be "women" and not "Women". Like if this cat were needed, then we'd have it already. Additionally, there is no Category:African American men. So before I put this up for CFD, does anyone else know of a guideline or policy that this goes against? I've poked around but couldn't find anything that really stuck out as being good enough a reason to put it up for CFD. Dismas|^(talk) 14:57, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

I can't see much reason for it either. Are race and gender categories done for any other group? Also, is it proper use of African American (Black person from the US) or all Black people as African American? Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | Say Shalom! 15:18, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

I agree, there is currently a List of African American women by the same author at AfD. Quasihuman | Talk 15:25, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Have tried to nominate the page but just won't delete

Hi, have tried nominating this page but is still online. Still appears in google: File:Bart_hendrikx.jpg Please delete this page. No Wiki page attached.

Why does it need to be deleted? Dismas|^(talk) 15:25, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

That image is on Commons and appears to have been validly released into the public domain, so there are no grounds for deletion. – ukexpat (talk) 15:28, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

new article developing a subject already covered in part by an existing article

Sorry if this question has been asked before ; couldn't find the answer.

I wish to create an article on 'Random art' which I have researched somewhat ; but some description of random art (albeit dated) already exists under "applications of randomness". I guess I could add to the latter but isn't it rather long already ? I feel that an extended article is less user friendly. Thank you.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.197.135.35 (talk • contribs)

No problem creating a separate article, but you will need to create an account first. General advice follows:

A Wizard is available to walk you through these steps. See the Article Wizard.

Thank you.

You will need to first register an account, which has many benefits, including the ability to create articles. Once you have registered, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. An Article Wizard is available to walk you through creating an article, but you will need to create an account to use it. if you don't wish to do so, you can submit a proposal for an article at Articles for Creation. – ukexpat (talk) 15:32, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

You might also propose at the existing article's talk-page the idea to split off the content on this topic and expand it into its own article (WP:Splitting article). DMacks (talk) 15:39, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Watchlist the contents of a category

Perhaps I am missing it, but is there a way to watchlist the contents of a category? For example, I've recently decided to start adding photos to articles that are near me. Now unless I go to the category page and review the list, I don't know which ones are new requests and which ones are stale, when a new photo request comes in, or a request for a photo gets satisfied. If this is a technical limitation of Wikipedia, I'll head over to the Idea Pump to propose this as an improvement. Thank you for your time Hasteur (talk) 15:33, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

I use

this

which is a specific example, I think you can make your request using:

this

Let me know if it doesn't do what you want.--SPhilbrickT 15:44, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

I may have gotten ahead of myself - I have used it, but it doesn't seem to be working now.--SPhilbrickT 15:50, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

(e/c) Hi Hasteur. I only know of one way to monitor the content of categories and I find the ability invaluable. I'm not 100% sure this will work in the vector skin (I use Monobook) Anyway, this tool will add category changes to your watchlist. Go to your personal JS and add the code importScript('User:ais523/catwatch.js'); Then create the page User:Hasteur/WatchedCategories.js. Place there

var WatchedCategories=new Array(
 
 // Place categories in this list. There should be a comma in all rows
 // but the last; make sure the names start with a capital letter, have
 // the correct case for all other letters, and don't have Category:
 // before them. This watchlist cannot be kept private (that is, other
 // users will be able to tell which categories you are watching).
 //
 // After editing this list (either for the first time or if you change
 // it later on) you will need to bypass your cache.
 
 "Name of category (do not prefix "category")",
 "Next category name",
 "Last category name has no comma"

 );

Make sure to then bypass your cache. Note that many user who have tried this needed to log out and restart their browsers before it would work, even after bypassing the cache. Note that this apparently does not play well with Internet Explorer; if you do use that, dumping all your temporary internet files may get it to work.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 15:45, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

We have a Winner! This is exactly what I want. I use modern browsers (FF& Chrome) so it'll work just fine for me. Only downside is it doesn't show Removals...Hasteur (talk) 16:48, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

How about Special:RecentChangesLinked? DMacks (talk) 15:48, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Clueless question about the article table I am using as a model

I'm trying to make a table on one of my sandbox pages and I'm using the sortable table in Aurealis Award for best fantasy novel as my starting model since it's very close to what I need. Most of it is acting the way I expect, but I'm not sure what to do if I don't want an item red-linked. For example in the Aurealis table "Dirk Strasser" and "Equinox" are red-links. How would I write that same little bit of wiki code if I didn't want them to be links at all? Cloveapple (talk) 15:52, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Text in a double square-bracket is a link. So "[[foo]]" becomes "foo", whereas anything else is just plain text, just like all the normal text you typed in this message. If you remove the brackets, the linked text becomes "just text". See Help:Link for extensive details and special features. DMacks (talk) 16:01, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

I'm familiar with double bracketed links within Wikipedia, but this table seems to be using something else that I don't understand. There are no double square-brackets on "Dirk Strasser" and "Equinox" in the table on Aurealis Award for best fantasy novel yet they are red links. If somebody can explain to me how I could change the table code so those two example items are not links, then I'd understand how to fix the table I am working on. Cloveapple (talk) 16:13, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Ah, an entry encoded as {{sortname|Dirk|Strasser}}? The documentation for the {{Sortname}} template explains how to control the linking feature. DMacks (talk) 16:18, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you so much. That was just what I needed. Cloveapple (talk) 16:30, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

copyright infringement

I am the same author or copy writer for my website and my new Wikipedia page John Shoemaker Tulsa Photographer it only makes sense that I would use some of the same information, is that a copyright infringement on your self ? Please help Best Regards John Shoemaker Photomakers Photomakers (talk) 16:49, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials. Be careful of WP:COI though. DMacks (talk) 16:54, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Yes. Simply put, copyrighted content can not be used in Wikipedia. Whether you own it or not does not matter, if it's not free, it can not be used (except for very rare exceptions). See Wikipedia:Copyright violations. If you're willing to donate your text for free to everyone, however, see Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials.

A far more important thing to consider though, is that promotion is strictly forbidden in Wikipedia. Please do not use Wikipedia for advertisement. As an encyclopedia, only topics which reach the minimum threshold of notability can have an article. As the owner of the website who will benefit from the creation of the article, you have a strong conflict of interest and should not be writing about it. (See also Wikipedia:Best practices for editors with conflicts of interest)

Your username is also in violation of Wikipedia's username policies, please change it (or abandon it and make a new one) as soon as possible. (See WP:CORPNAME and WP:UNC). -- Obsidi♠n Soul 17:14, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Easy way to tell when a user was last active

I'd like to do some recruiting for a revived translation Wikiproject. I have currently gathered the names of around 600 users that have affirmatively signed up in the past for various Spanish translation efforts, plus there are thousands of spanish-speaking users as indicated by userboxes. I'd like to send notifications only to active users to decrease spam, but it would be too much work to manually click on the contributions for each user to see when each last edited. Is there any automated way to do this, or am I out of luck? Calliopejen1 (talk) 17:02, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Where is your list? You can check rather quickly using the API. — Bility (talk) 18:04, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Well, I just went through the first 600 manually. (Kind of depressing how few of them are still active.) The others I just wanted to take from broad language/location categories. I think I would like to do the following categories, for users with at least 100 edits since the beginning of the year, plus the most recent edit April 1 or later:

• Category:User es-N
• Category:User es-5
• Category:User es-4
• Category:User es-3
• Category:User es-2
• Category:Wikipedians in Argentina (and subcategories)
• Category:Wikipedians in Mexico (and subcategories)
• Category:Wikipedians in Peru (and subcategories)
• Category:Wikipedians in Puerto Rico
• Category:Wikipedians in Spain (and subcategories)
• Category:Wikipedians in Uruguay (and subcategories)

Would this be doable? I'm not sure what volume of users would fit the criteria. The criteria could be made more stringent if they generate too many hits. Calliopejen1 (talk) 18:35, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, you can iterate through a category and check each user's contributions for those criteria using the API. You can even send out emails with it. :D — Bility (talk) 21:58, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Challenge of uncited allegation in CenterPoint Energy article

This newbie wants to follow protocol, so I raised a question about the CenterPoint Energy article on it's talk page and am also posting this message about a recently posted edit under the Hurricane Ike Power Outage section of the CenterPoint Energy page. Specifically the paragraph reading "Currently, Center Point Energy employs rogue agencies and companies to force conversion to their energy providing service, without consent from the consumer. The company will continue the harassment after the consumer has switched back to their chosen provider." If I understand this claim, it is factually incorrect (and in fact impossible). In the deregulated Texas electric market, CenterPoint Energy is an electric Transmission and Distribution Service Provider (TDSP), which owns the power lines and poles, reads meters, and restores power when it goes out, but does NOT sell electricity. CNP delivers electricity on behalf of dozens of Retail Electric Providers (REPs), from which Houston-area consumers can freely choose. So no matter which REP sells electricity to a consumer, CenterPoint Energy delivers it. Consumers can change REPs whenever they like, but CenterPoint Energy is the sole TDSP in the Houston area. It makes sense for TDSPs to remain regulated monopolies since it would be impractical (and unsightly) to have dozens of sets of powerlines and poles. As an employee of CenterPoint Energy, I don't want to unilaterally remove that paragraph, but as I've noted, it is not only incorrect, but impossible, in addition to being uncited and not neutral in tone.

You can find a map of TDSPs (or TDUs - Transmission and Distribution Utilities) in Texas at http://www.puc.state.tx.us/industry/maps/maps/tdumap.pdf, which shows CenterPoint Eneryg's electricity delivery service area around Houston.

CNPsteve (talk) 17:03, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

CenterPoint Energy (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

It also violates Wikipedia's Neutral Point-of-View policies. Feel free to change it or reword it, although be careful not to do the opposite (i.e. don't paint them in glowing terms as well, as that is also not neutral). You can also simply remove it, as it is uncited, though I recommend you post your reasons in the article's talk page.

As an editor with an admitted conflict of interest (honesty is always much appreciated), please read this Wikipedia:Best practices for editors with conflicts of interest as well if you're planning to expand the article. And please source any new additions. The article desperately needs references. See WP:REFBEGIN if you don't know how.-- Obsidi♠n Soul 17:21, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Some other articles have related content: Deregulation of the Texas electricity market and Electricity provider switching relate directly; Renewable Energy Certificates (United States) relates peripherally. REPs and RECs are somewhat hard for ordinary people to grasp, as the electricity customer continues to consume the same grid mix of electricity as before, while purchasing an abstract property right to electricity from a particular supplier. In the case of RECs they represent the environmental attributes of particular green energy sources, sold separately from the physical electricity, thus functioning as a type of carbon offset for electricity. Anyway, we need to make sure the various articles for companies that participate in a deregulated electricity market square with the higher-level articles that describe how the market works. See Wikipedia:Summary style for advice on how to keep related articles coherent with each other. In general, when editing articles on Wikipedia, one should try to read the related articles to see how the particular article should fit in with the overall structure of knowledge on the topic. --Teratornis (talk) 19:05, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Deleted Picture

Can I reupload a picture that has been deleted? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mnaeymir (talk • contribs) 18:34, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

It depends on why the picture was deleted. If you can give the exact filename you uploaded before, I can check to see why it was deleted. Sometimed, pictures are deleted for inadequate documentation (all uploaded pictures need certain information such as the source, copyright status, etc. etc.) Furthermore, sometimes the picture itself cannot be accepted at Wikipedia. Please review Wikipedia's image use policy for more info. But if you tell us the name of the picture, someone may be able to give you more information as to why it was deleted. --Jayron32 19:54, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Racist and Harassment of Iberian in Wikipedia

Genetic history of the Iberian Peninsula (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Dear Mr. Wales:

I have edited more than once the article about Genetic History of the Iberian Peninsula. In my genealogy I have two grandparents from Iberia; my educational background includes History and Anthropology.

I edited the article more than once, because the information is not scientific and it is racist. For example, the article implies that Iberians are 99% African, this is not true; before my editing the article had sections, where the Iberians were described as being 1%> African. I consider this racist harassment of Iberian people.

Racist people like members of Nazi/Arian organization want to limit membership in groups; the case of Nazi Germany comes to mind, where the Christian German said that they were the only Europeans. If Wikipedia wants to declare the Iberian people none European, please let me know.

I am writing to the founder of Wikipedia, in a rational way. If Mr. Wales would like to answer this message, I will discuss my point of view rationaly.

Jack Email: (Redacted) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.234.85.152 (talk) 21:27, 6 July 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jack Robert-Smart (talk • contribs) 21:30, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

I think you misunderstand what Wikipedia is. See Wikipedia:Role of Jimmy Wales.

In no part of the article is it stated that Iberians have 99% North African genetic origins.The section on >1% simply lists the different locations in the Iberian peninsula with a North African Y-DNA admixture greater than 1%. It does not, for example, list Gascony, a historically Basque region, which has 0%. The values range from 2.3% to 14.7%, with the latest genetic study in 2007 showing an average North African male genetic admixture of only 5.6%. All of this is mentioned in the article with accompanying sources you can see for yourself. And 5.6% is a bit far from your impression of 99%.

"European" is a purely geographic term and does not reflect genetic heritage. You are falling for Hitler's trap by believing in his Aryan delusions in the first place. Why would it matter if Iberia had a greater amount of North African Y-DNA markers than say... Germany? It's natural given its proximity to N. Africa and the history of Moorish invasions.

The important thing here is that all those information are cited to scientific studies. Please do not remove sourced information. You can add opposing views if you can find another study contradicting the results of the cited sources. But please do not write essays or opinion in the article page itself. Use the talk page instead to discuss issues. Furthermore, original research is not acceptable, I'm afraid. All information in articles must come from a reliable published source (personal experience and opinion does not matter as they are not verifiable).-- Obsidi♠n Soul 22:31, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

July 7

Override template default

Template:Infobox fashion designer (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Apparently, the template automatically populates the occcupation parm with "Fashion designer". Is there a way to override that? I want to put in "occupation=Fashion designer, film director", but when I do that, it ignores me (story of my life :-) ).--Bbb23 (talk) 00:48, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

I think it is automatically fixed for fashion designer. Try this. A person who has been editing Wikipedia since October 28, 2010. (talk) 01:09, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

The problem with the template infobox person is it doesn't have parameters for fashion designers.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:11, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

It's always a good idea to tell us what article you're working on so that we can look at the specific case you're referring to. Dismas|^(talk) 01:13, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

What is the page you are trying to edit? I could take a look. Ryan Vesey (talk) 01:15, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

I found the page Tom Ford; however, I cannot make it work. I changed the template to infobox person and used the parameters found in infobox fashion designer. Ryan Vesey (talk) 01:23, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Hmm, I noticed that the parameter for label_name does not work at all with either template. Ryan Vesey (talk) 01:27, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

(outdent) I have edited {{Infobox fashion designer}} so that the "occupation" field defaults to "Fashion designer" but can be overridden if necessary. And I've fixed the label_name parameter. -- John of Reading (talk) 03:42, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Sorry for not following up in this discussion. Ryan, thanks for finding the article, and John, thanks very much for the fixes.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:46, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

pic

This may sound ametur, but how to upload a photo to Wikipedia? A person who has been editing Wikipedia since October 28, 2010. (talk) 00:57, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Not at all. See WP:UPLOAD for a step-by-step wizard. Make sure you fill out ALL information, including the source of the image and the copyright status. --Jayron32 00:58, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, A person who has been editing Wikipedia since October 28, 2010. (talk) 01:10, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Also, how to change resolution/size of photo? This one to be specific. A person who has been editing Wikipedia since October 28, 2010. (talk) 22:35, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Generally, you can use "<number of pixels>px" to change the displayed size of the image i.e. [[File:Walnut Creek Intermediate.png|200px]]. Although this is rather small, low quality image and changing the size won't do much good. I also note the image lacks a complete fair use rational, see Wikipedia:Non-free use rationale guideline. Rehevkor ✉ 22:53, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. A person who has been editing Wikipedia since October 28, 2010. (talk) 01:07, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

How to fix a fair use rational? A person who has been editing Wikipedia since October 28, 2010. (talk) 01:19, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Go to Wikipedia:Non-free use rationale guideline. Copy/Paste one of the templates in to the image's description page, fill in the fields, save. Dismas|^(talk) 01:27, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

How to add text under photo? A person who has been editing Wikipedia since October 28, 2010. (talk) 22:16, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

On the article it's on? You can add a caption by adding "|caption=<text>" to the code of the info box, although some info box templates might work differently, in which case consult the info box documents (in this case Template:Infobox school/doc). Rehevkor ✉ 22:36, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

If you're asking how to put the fair use info on the image, just click on the edit link at the top of the image's page. Dismas|^(talk) 23:11, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Bundling citations: Can same ref be bundled in one place and stand alone in another?

If I want to bundle, let's say, three refs at one point, but I would like to refer to one of them somewhere else, is that possible without duplicating the ref? For example:

<ref name="foofinkle">{{cite web | title=Foo | url=http://0.0.0.0 etc.}}</ref>

(Possibly much article material here...)

<ref name="bundled_stuff">{{cite book|title=The Book of Dork|isbn= etc.}}<br/>{{cite web|url=http://localhost|title=Good Luck, Charlie etc.}}</ref>

Is there a way to include the ref named foofinkle in the bundle? From experiments it seems that a <ref> element cannot contain another <ref> element, so adding something like <ref name="foofinkle"/> to the bundle doesn't do it. Rhsimard (talk) 01:22, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

See WP:REFNEST. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 01:57, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Archiving

What is the correct practice for archiving of talk pages? Pl elucidate.--Nvvchar. 02:10, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

It's not fixed. See Help:Archiving a talk page. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:24, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

need help

Dear Sir/Madam

I had fill up my form for trading account/demat account through IIFL (India Infoline Ldt.) but till now I am receive any demat/trading account. Can track my account status online? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.250.159.159 (talk) 06:10, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 3.6 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck.Template:Z25 --ColinFine (talk) 07:30, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Time Stamp

Sir, How do i can find the time stamp for the time given in the view history option. The time format means IST, UTC PDC etc.--59.178.203.159 (talk) 08:51, 7 July 2011 (UTC)--59.178.203.159 (talk) 08:51, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

It's UTC. Registered users can override this by setting a preference. -- John of Reading (talk) 09:26, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

retriving a page that was seen earlier

Earlier while I was viewing a Wikipedia article on a telecom firm from that page from template, clicking something I was directed to a page that had a list of things relating to business. After that I haven't been able to revisit that page. For example there was a written Business mergers & acquisitions, management etc — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.211.91.34 (talk) 09:49, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Your browser may be able to give you a list of the Wikipedia pages that you've viewed recently. For example, Firefox has a menu option "History > Show All History". If that doesn't work, you could try typing some of these keywords into the Search box and see if any of the results jog your memory. -- John of Reading (talk) 09:56, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

It's a stretch but think back: was there any particular phrase when you were reading it that stuck in your mind—something unique enough that it's not likely to appear in many articles? If so (and if your browser's history doesn't contain the page, per above), I suggest going to Google and typing that phrase in quotes next to the limiter site:en.wikipedia.org.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 15:08, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Circumventor IP

While reverting vandalism on Huggle, I came across an IP that had Secured Servers LLC listed as the ISP. When I checked the DNS records it showed that that IP is used for outgoing traffic from multiple Peacefire circumventor (web proxy) sites. The IP has some history of vandalism in May 2011, but the vandalism is mostly from this month (at last check there is a Level 4 Warning but no report to WP:AIV yet). Should I wait for it to be reported then note it on the AIV report, or is there another policy that Wikipedia has regarding these sites? RA0808 ^talk_contribs 13:27, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

The policy for which you looking is this one. Wikipedia does not generally allow editing through anonymization services such as web or HTTP proxies. TNXMan 13:35, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you! RA0808 ^talk_contribs 13:55, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Image update problems

Hello. I'm here to report a possible bug. When I upload a new version of an image at a different resolution, the image does not update, but it takes the new image's dimensions causing it to distort, stretch or squeeze. I've tried all possible options such as purging the cache, clearing my browser etc. If I rename the image, it updates to the newer version but that's the only way. It'd be ridiculous if I had to rename every image I upload. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, ..George Sorby • Talk • Contribs .. 13:49, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Noticed this too. I removed watermarks on two images recently. Instead of the thumbnails and image updating after purging, they remain stubbornly the same. It's not an uploading problem, the files have already been clearly replaced, having different file sizes.-- Obsidi♠n Soul 14:59, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

It would probably be a good idea to repost about this at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) so the tech gurus and developers are informed and can weigh in or fix the issue.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 15:03, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

ELECTRIC POWER 2

IN DIRECT CURRENT,flow of electron is continues i.e.,from negative terminal to positive terminal.but in ALTERNATING CURRENT, electron moves forward and again backward but does not move from negative terminal to positive terminal so that only current wave travel like when we throw a stone in a river then wave only travels not the water particle. is it true or not. PLEASE GIVE ME BRIEF DETAIL ABOUT ELECTRON FLOW IN A.Cvsnkumar (talk) 14:16, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Have you tried the Science section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps.Template:Z38 TNXMan 14:22, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

bits

Why do I spend a lot of time waiting for bits.wikipedia.org? I'm on Hughes.net, using Firefox. And what is it? Bluefox79830 (talk) 15:43, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

There is no http://bits.wikipedia.org You probably mean Bits Wiki, but we can not answer questions about it since it's not a part of Wikipedia or the Wikimedia Foundation. Please do not confuse other wikis with Wikipedia. -- Obsidi♠n Soul 16:01, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

I understand *exactly* what this poster is talking about. When I refreshed this page, the message at the bottom of my screen went from "retrieving from en.wikipedia.org" to "retrieving from bits.wikipedia.org" and back to "retrieving from en.wikipedia.org". I've had cases where it has gotten stuck for a while at 'bits'...Naraht (talk) 16:21, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Oh. So that's why it sounded familiar. haha. In that case, no idea, sorry, maybe the techies can help. :P -- Obsidi♠n Soul 16:30, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Apparently all Wikipedia web pages load their CSS files, JS files and a few other things from this domain. -- John of Reading (talk) 17:03, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

hwy 385 correction

U.S. Route 385 (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

This is correct to a highway listing. HwY 385.

"On rural US 385, Speed limit is 75 mph in all counties (except Ector) going south of Gaines County starting between Seminole and Andrews down to US 90 in Marathon" We just drove this highway this week and found NO area that was at 75mph. Since this was a deciding factor on choosing this route we want to make sure it is correct for others. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.23.68.40 (talk) 16:16, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Since this information is unsourced, you are welcome to remove it from the article. Even better would be if you could find a published reliable source (not just your own experience) that said what the speed limit was, and put that in the article instead. But it's fine to remove the unsourced information - make sure you put something informative in the edit comment, so people (and bots) won't think your change is vandalism. --ColinFine (talk) 17:56, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Jamie Floyd

Hello. Please request for your readers a bio of TV personality Jamie Floyd (CNN). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.113.72.173 (talk) 16:18, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Please make the request at WP:Requested articles. – ukexpat (talk) 16:44, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Assistance to disambiguate

Neil Barnes was recently created as a redirect to Leftfield but another person with the same name is a scientist linked into The Periodic Table of Videos, I'm not sure how to handle this, he could be unlinked on The Periodic Table of Videos or should a disambiguation be made, or a hat on Leftfield redirecting back to The Periodic Table of Videos.... Any help here would be appreciated. — raekyt 17:12, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

I think the best solution would be to link the scientist to Neil Barnes with [[Neil Barnes (scientist)|Neil Barnes]] I'm assuming it was a red link before the redirect was created. Ryan Vesey (talk) 17:59, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

I actually modified the wikilink to do that, but should the people all be linked anyways? Ryan Vesey (talk) 18:01, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

According to WP:REDLINK if the article could meet notability guild lines it's better to redlink it, since it could help the encyclopedia to grow. I'm not sure all of the presenters in those videos listed there would meet WP:N, Neal Barns may not, I think hes a lab tech, but some of them have grants and doing published research, so they would meet WP:N. — raekyt 18:11, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

How do you edit a title of a page?

I'm currently trying to edit the PeaceJam wiki. PeaceJam is more formally known as the PeaceJam Foundation, which I think would be more appropriate. How would I do this?

Cheers — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.213.218.179 (talk) 20:17, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

It seems like it should remain as PeaceJam per WP:COMMONNAME. An articles title can be changed by moving the article; however, you must create an account if you would like to move articles. As of right now you could use requested moves. Ryan Vesey (talk) 20:23, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

(edit conflict) You need an account to move pages. However, since this isn't a housekeeping move I would suggest you request a move on the talk page. I recommend to still create an account, though. Island Monkey ^{talk the talk} 20:24, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks... will do! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.213.218.179 (talk) 20:40, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

July 8

Injure in spinal card/lower butt

Hi,

I am from Lahore <Pakistan>i need some assistance for the recovery of some pain in my back/lower butt its due to a road clash ,i have also patient of joint pains too ,so please help me can i seek some help and is it possible can i gone through trophy and cure it,back to my normal life if it is please write on<span title="Content was removed for the following reason: <sunbeam_009@yahoo.co.in>">(Redacted)along with its expenses and time(Period) for rehabilitation.

Looking for your reply

With Regards,

Akram — Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.2.181.100 (talk) 04:42, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

• I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 3.6 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck.Template:Z25 - 194.60.106.38 (talk) 07:07, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

That said, we cannot offer medical advice. - 194.60.106.38 (talk) 07:08, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

bus nos

I intend to go to Botanical gardens from TAMPINES iNT.May I ask to provide me the buses I have to board? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.156.11.11 (talk) 05:20, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

• This page is aimed at people who need help with their work on Wikipedia. If you want factual information and can't find it yourself, please turn to the reference desk - 194.60.106.38 (talk) 07:09, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
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a template won't allow an image to site beside it

See my draft page: User:Brianann MacAmhlaidh/draft. See how the ancestry-template won't allow the sword-image to nest beside it like normal? Can someone fix this so there isn't that big space of nothingness?--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 09:04, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

I've experimented and have perhaps improved the layout, but I doubt if this is the proper solution. If you don't get a better answer here, I suggest you ask again at Village pump (technical). -- John of Reading (talk) 10:33, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

What is the meaning of these colors

Why is the tag here gray [2]

And the tag here golden? [3]?Curb Chain (talk) 09:14, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Apparently the {{rfctag}} template re-colours itself to match other message boxes that are used in the same "namespace". It uses the {{mbox}} template to do this; you can read about it at Template:Mbox/doc. As to what the colours mean, I don't know. -- John of Reading (talk) 09:40, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Article display problem

I have made some changes at the Romania article adding some important istorical events and dates to the formation section. But now the display of the page is affected and I don't know why.Please help me in restoring the correct display. — Preceding unsigned comment added by EddyVadim (talk • contribs) 09:54, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

I've fixed the formatting problem - you had missed out one pair of square brackets. -- John of Reading (talk) 10:03, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

applications for nokiac7-00 symbian^3 mobiles

where i can download the video player for Symbian^3 mobiles. i am trying it but it is coming certificate error. if the video player will work in this type of mobiles.kindly tell me some suggestions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.92.154.251 (talk) 09:59, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

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References aren't showing up

Hi,

I've edited the Cable & Wireless Communications page, but none of the references are listing at the end of the article. I'm directed to this page - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Cite_errors/Cite_error_references_no_key - but still don't really understand what the issue is.

SteveSmith1977 (talk) 10:54, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

I've fixed a couple of syntax errors. The proper syntax is described at Help:Footnotes. Welcome to Wikipedia, by the way; I've left you some introductory links on your talk page. -- John of Reading (talk) 11:11, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

I made changes to an article which are not registering except when I log in myself

I have made some further small factual changes to the article on Adolfo Müller-Ury recently, but for some reason these only show as live when I log in, they are not showing when you click on the article. They have always shown up before. Why is this happening please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.31.246.123 (talk) 11:05, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

I don't know. I logged out just now, and saw the latest version of the page. I have purged the page, which should refresh all the copies of the article held at Wikipedia servers. You could try bypassing your browser cache to see if that gives you today's version of the article. If that doesn't fix it for you, please post again here. -- John of Reading (talk) 11:21, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

fools gold jewelry

I have tried to find out more information about jewelry made from fools gold and seem to get the same answers but it is not what I want..I have a piece a 'gold' locket beautifully made with 3-4 small pearls and the the same turquoise stones layed on the front to look like leaves..it is a lovely piece, I was told the man who made this jewelry was arrested for treason can you help me find more info.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.216.114.144 (talk) 11:15, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

You might find what you are looking for in the article Pyrite. If you cannot find the answer there, you can try asking your question at Wikipedia's Reference Desk. They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except about how to use Wikipedia, which is what this help desk is for). I hope this helps.Template:Z39 Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 11:22, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Reference Help

Hello, I got pulled into helping with an article ( kevin cook ),I have found plenty of quality references and are verifiable....but, am having trouble with listing them in the edit. Am also confused as to why there are numbers listed above the references on the page.Thank you for your help!Franlan (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 11:29, 8 July 2011 (UTC).

Please sign your post by typing four tildes (~~~~) or clicking the signature button above the edit box which looks like this: . Do NOT sign in articles.

Kevin Cook. See Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners. The numbers are because someone stuffed citations into the References section and not in-text— these need to be moved if you can figure out where they belong. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 11:35, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Links deleted

I've tried to link a few wikipedia pages to the site containing the digital sound archive of the Centre for the Cataloguing and Documentation of the Sicilian Intangible Cultural Heritage, a project of the Sicilian Region at www.arcadeisuoni.org. All the pages linked include contents which are perfectly consistent with the public interest Arca dei Suoni is aimed at (namely Sicily, Sicilian language, Soundscapes). The reason for such deletions is not therefore quite clear to me, as the site has no personal or commercial intent but a mere public cultural end. Any clarification will be welcomed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.26.146.175 (talk) 11:39, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

On an article which is as well established and trafficked as Sicily, there will be a temptation for many to add links to various places. These links are likely to be summarily removed unless a good case for their inclusion is given. You added them, without even an edit summary, so they were quickly removed. I suggest you post on the article talk pages to explain what the link is, and why it is appropriate for that specific article. That would increase the chances the link would remain, assuming that contributors agree with the rationale.--SPhilbrickT 11:48, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. I'm not a wikipedia expert but will try and comply with your suggestions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.26.146.175 (talk) 11:53, 8 July 2011 (UTC) By the way, this is what I tried to put in. Link + On-line digital sound archive Arca dei Suoni, CRICD - Dipartimento regionale dei Beni Culturali e dell'Identità Siciliana. Where are the talk pages supposed to be posted? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.26.146.175 (talk) 12:02, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

You can reach the talk page of any article by clicking on the word "Discussion" at the top of the page while viewing the article in question. Basically just to the right of the Wikipedia logo. Also, about the links, generally we try to keep links to a minimum. So anything that doesn't have a specific reason to be there gets removed. Not everything that it related to Sicily will be linked on the article. We're not a linkfarm or catch-all for anything related to Sicily or any other subject, no matter how noble the cause. Perhaps our WP:EL external links guidelines would be of help to you. Dismas|^(talk) 12:06, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Please see also WP:LINKSPAM and WP:NONENGEL. The links you add appear to have the intention of promoting the site--especially in light of the fact that you add them to multiple articles. They don't need a personal or commercial intent to be inappropriate. Also the fact that the target page is non-english means the page would need a much higher value to be included. —teb728 t c 12:14, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you again. This is what the site I was trying to link is about (from its homepage). As a matter of fact, it belongs to the Sicilian administration: “Arca dei Suoni” is a project aimed at the collection, sharing and preservation of sound documents related to the life and history of the local communities of Sicily. The core idea is to actively involve high schools and cultural associations in a network, in order to get them to record, upload and download audio(visual) files - after proper theoretical and practical training - through a dedicated platform so as to foster awareness of the citizens’ direct responsibility in the monitoring and protection of the Sicilian cultural heritage. I hope wikipedia is not going to consider me a spammer. I'm only inexperienced. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.26.146.175 (talk) 12:28, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Splitting and renaming an article

Hello ! I would like to improve the article "Coherent states", because it is grossly incomplete concerning the developments in mathematical physics. The solution I propose is the following: . rename the present article as "Coherent states (Quantum Physics)", after some minor editing . create a new one, called "Coherent states (Mathematical Physics)" How should I proceed? CSmaker (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 14:56, 8 July 2011 (UTC).

Where you need to start is on the article talk page, Talk:Coherent state. You should start a new section and explain what you want to do and why you want to do it. I think it would be good to notify the pertinent project on their talk page, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Physics, that you have initiated the discussion. The editors that watch the article and the editors that frequent the project will be able to give better input on the direction for the article. GB fan (talk) 15:11, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

how do I close an unsigned entry?

I would like to make a comment on a discussion page below a comment which was not signed. When I look at the preview page I see that it looks as if the anonymous comment is part of mine. Is there a standard sign I can put at the end of the previous comment that will 'force close' it or something like that? --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 15:58, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

One way to do this is to add the {{unsigned}} or {{unsigned2}} template at the end of the unsigned post. You will need to look in the page history to find the correct date and user name. -- John of Reading (talk) 16:07, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

You can add {{unsigned}} at the end of the post. The syntax for the template is {{ subst:unsigned | user name or IP | time, day month year (UTC) }}. The username and the time/date can be found on the history page. If you need any assistance let me know. GB fan (talk) 16:11, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

thank you. worked like a charm! --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 16:18, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

WLTN-FM and WLTN-AM Traded In IRN USA Radio Network For CBS Radio Network News

I was driving through the New Hampshire North Country the other day and I had my radio locked to WLTN-FM and noticed that at the top of every hour, they were now airing CBS Radio Network News (just as they do over on their co-owned station, WXXS-FM). They even featured a promotional advertisement of WLTN Radio's newly-found affiliation with the CBS Radio Network. Although I don't have any non-refutable evidence that this switch has occurred, I can certainly tell you from first-hand experience that this change HAS taken place and is applicable to WLTN Radio as a whole (meaning that both WLTN-FM and WLTN-AM are affected by this latest change). I thank you for your time and would appreciate your attention to this latest update here. 98.229.132.126 (talk) 17:21, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

If you have information which you want to contribute to a particular article, but no sources for the information, your best course is to bring the matter up on the article's talk page: it may be that somebody else there can find a reference for the information. --ColinFine (talk) 22:56, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you very much for that piece of advice...except that the only thing is that...I'm three steps ahead of you, ColinFine (talk), for I have already copied and pasted this same exact message onto both the WLTN-FM talk page and WLTN-AM talk page. Thank you very much for your advice though...but I suppose I got the jump on you with this one. 98.229.132.126 (talk) 00:05, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Cheney Mason

I found Cheney Mason's birthplace (Jacksonville, Florida) and birth date (December 12, 1943) at: http://www.martindale.com/J-Cheney-Mason/820078-lawyer.htm I do not know the reliability of the site, but just to let you know.

Thank you, — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.176.160.21 (talk) 18:26, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Copied comment to the article's talk page - frankie (talk) 18:58, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

help uploading larger size images, but that have changed file extension

Hi. I requested and got a donation of 3 larger size images. However, the extension is .tif (an allowed kind for us), but our original was .jpg. Trying to upload "new copy" does not work as the extensions are different and it won't let me change destination name. Should I upload as all new versions? run some conversion of my own through Paint (don't want to lose content though)? What?

Concerns these three images: [4]

TCO (reviews needed) 18:47, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

page for historic company with a lot of references on wiki

Our company is listed as the architect for several buildings listed on wikipedia. When you click the company name though, there is no page for the company. Other architects have created pages for themselves and we would like to do the same (eg. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skidmore,_Owings_and_Merrill). Our company turns 100 years old this year and we have notable projects in our history. Is it acceptable to create a page for our company? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ikminc (talk • contribs) 18:54, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

You could find some nice references for other editors to use and they could make the article. It's inadvisable for you to write it yourself as there is a conflict of interest, I'm afraid. Don't worry though, the article should be to your liking if written in accordance with Wiki's rules. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | Say Shalom! 18:56, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you!--Ikminc (talk) 19:07, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

You could put in a request at Wikipedia:Requested articles. Oh, and just a slight nit... The other companies that you see on Wikipedia didn't (or shouldn't have) written their own articles. Articles are generally written because someone sees a hole and fills it. Dismas|^(talk) 19:10, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

I've worked in this industry and it is a huge name. Well notable. And really in an industry where most firms are more local (thus amplifying their notability). Say this with no COI or particular love for them. But it's really a big name. Waxing meta I do wonder whether we start to become like the king who decided to have a large scale map made...at the size of his kingom (1:1!) as we duplicate Google and what is on the web besides. That said, for normal Wiki standards, it's pretty notable. Best thing to help getting an article done would be some references that are not just the website or your own press copy. A biography of a founder or a firm history if one has been written. Also, perhaps a profile by some independent journalist of the firm and perhaps a general article on large AE firms that puts SOM in perspective of the industry.TCO (reviews needed) 19:24, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

But it seems like you DO have an article for the company and have for years?TCO (reviews needed) 19:37, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

I think the last two respondents are mis-reading the question. They are only using SOM as an example of an architecture firm that has an article. They don't say that they work for that firm. Dismas|^(talk) 19:46, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

The original poster is a role account for IKM Incorporated (thus the name Ikminc), not for SOM. --Orange Mike | Talk 23:34, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Photo

I am the son of Arden Mounts and would like to share a photo of him and his race car with everyone on your site — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.14.160.22 (talk) 19:41, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Consider uploading it to Wikimedia commons. Go to http://commons.wikimedia.org, register an account (it is free and confidential) and select "Upload file". Please be sure, when you upload the file, that you fill out all relevent information (source of photo, etc.) and be sure to select a lisence when uploading which is compatible for Wikimedia sites (GFDL and CC-BY-SA). --Jayron32 19:46, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Out of date tag

Hi, is there an out of date tag somewhere? I do not want to tag Talk:Supercomputer#Yesterday... for a rewrite, but now that no one responded, should say it is out of date. History2007 (talk) 20:01, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Just fix it or leave it. Or put a comment on the talk page. We know the articles are not perfect, so emblazoning them with tags is actually counterproductive. Plus, you might think you are actually contributing when you are not.TCO (reviews needed) 20:04, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

No, sorry that is no help in my view. I prefer not to accept incorrect/outdaed info. So is there a out of date tag? History2007 (talk) 20:08, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

No worries I found it anyway. In any case TCO, in fairness the reader needs to be told that they are reading yesterday's newspaper. It will take time to fix/rewrite this, until then let teh reader know. History2007 (talk) 20:15, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Peace. You have a stellar user page. Reading it now. Kudos on your content work. Feel bad for trolling you.TCO (reviews needed) 20:18, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

No worries. I will eventually fix the supercomputer page too. But to do it right, one needs to have the other pieces together, e.g. even the basic pages on scalar processor and vector processor that it builds on have no ref tags and need clean up, so those need to get fixed first, then I will eventually get to this page too. History2007 (talk) 20:24, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Found the tag that can serve:

TCO (reviews needed) 21:16, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

• The appropriate tag for articles with major out-of-date content is either {{out of date}} or {{update}}. Zzyzx11 (talk) 01:24, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Requesting Input on Policy Proposal

I'm trying to get more input on a policy idea I started discussing here. But I wasn't sure what, if any avenues were available for me to do so. I thought I might be able to use RfC, but I wasn't sufficiently sure that I could use that for something that is not a dispute or looking for a binding vote. Thanks for any help. ‡ MAHEWA ‡ • talk 20:56, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

The dedicated forum for discussing policy is at the policy section of the village pump. The idea lab is much lower traffic. However, CSD policy is usually discussed at its talk page which is highly active. You could drop a note at the idea lab in place of the current content (leaving the section header) like Moved to Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion#CSD Expiration Date and then create a section at WT:CSD titled ==CSD Expiration Date== What is not a good idea is starting the same discussion while the original one persists.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:32, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Reference Desk Trolling

Can anyone suggest a warning template for a new IP user whose only edits have been six or seven troll-like questions and replies on reference desks? I'm like to report the user to WP:AIV, but if I don't jump through the warning template hoops then it'll get ignored per "insufficient warnings". — Fly by Night (talk) 22:45, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace/Multi-level templates. A person who has been editing Wikipedia since October 28, 2010. (talk) 03:56, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

I've been there already. That's why I came here. — Fly by Night (talk) 05:46, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

I think you'll have to make something up yourself. Perhaps adapt {{Uw-disruptive1}}? -- John of Reading (talk) 06:41, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Trolls love getting warning templates.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 07:44, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

I know, I quoted that policy when I removed the user's reference desk post. The only problem is, like I said at the top, if you don't warn them, then admins won't block them. So they're free to go around causing mischief. It's a tricky one though. Ignore it and hope they get bored, but they might not. Alternatively, take direct action, but risk whetting their appetite. — Fly by Night (talk) 18:01, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

I thought about that one John, but it seemed more vandalism orientated, and the mention of a sandbox seemed to not fit. I guess there just isn't one that fits. Thanks for the suggestion anyway. — Fly by Night (talk) 18:01, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Extension

Dear Wikipedia administration (or anyone who knows),

I'm wondering what Mediawiki extension the handy edit utility is. For example, one is able to select special characters (Latin, IPA, Symbols), and it works like a word processor almost. Can anyone help? Thanks, 173.78.122.178 (talk) 23:31, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

If you don't get an answer in a few minutes here, I suggest asking at WP:VPT, which is where the techies hang.--SPhilbrickT 00:44, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Edittools is the message which appears below the edit window. If a browser has JavaScript enabled, then MediaWiki:Edittools.js inserts a compact version in its place. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 01:25, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

July 9

Template help

Resolved

I'm an editor on a Wiki called MicroWiki, and I'm trying to create a template for Coats of Arms (is that the correct plural form of Coat of Arms?). Anyway, could you post the wikitext version of the Template:Infobox coat of arms here for me so I can copy it onto MicroWiki? Thanks in advance! Hekewe (talk) 00:32, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

You can go here, https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=Template:Infobox_coat_of_arms&action=edit and copy the text of wikitext of the template. GB fan (talk) 00:42, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

And you need to give attribution on MicroWiki back to the template page here to comply with copyright rules. GB fan (talk) 00:43, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Okay, thanks so much for your help! I'll make sure to do that, Hekewe (talk) 15:03, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Porting templates to other wikis can become very complicated, due to Wikipedia's templates often using many other supporting templates, and other things such as MediaWiki extensions and CSS classes. Only rarely will copying just the one template you want allow it work completely on the destination wiki. Template documentation is sometimes harder to port than a template itself, as the template documentation pages often use a bewildering number of other templates to display examples and so on. I made some notes about this in Appropedia:User:Teratornis/Template porting: theory and practice. You may need help from an administrator on the destination wiki, for example the MediaWiki:Common.css page is by default only editable by administrators on a MediaWiki wiki. If you are editing on another wiki that does not already have a lot of templates ported from Wikipedia, you may have to port an incredible amount of supporting material just to build up a comfortable environment for porting the templates you really want. There is no good solution to this problem yet, not even within the various wikis of the Wikimedia Foundation (many similarly-named templates on the English Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons, for example, are not consistent). See Wikipedia:WikiProject Transwiki for some (very) early steps toward a comprehensive solution. --Teratornis (talk) 20:46, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Number_1_Ladies_Detective_Agency

There is an upcoming book in the Number_1_Ladies_Detective_Agency by Alexander_McCall_Smith called Botswana 13. I found a source for the book right here: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Botswana-13-Alexander-McCall-Smith/dp/1408702606 Can someone please add this information in the Number_1_Ladies_Detective_Agency and Alexander_McCall_Smith articles? Thanks! Neptunekh2 (talk) 01:21, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

I know nothing about this series but it might be best to hold off on adding the book to the article since it doesn't appear to have a title yet and the release date is about 8 months off yet. A lot can happen in 8 months to push it off. Also, is there a reason why you can't add this to the articles? --Dismas|^(talk) 01:29, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Fix Reference

I add the information on the Number_1_Ladies_Detective_Agency and Alexander_McCall_Smith pages. But could someone fix the references I added on those pages please? Thanks! Neptunekh2 (talk) 02:05, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

In order to make references work you should remember to have the "<" before "<ref>" otherwise it will not read it correctly. I ended up removing your revisions, though. I was reluctant to use Amazon as a source because it is a solely money making website. Once the book has been printed, or sources come out on his website you could add the information again. Ryan Vesey (talk) 03:38, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

WP:SALT

Can anyone link me to the page for requesting salting, or is it just WP:RPP? — Fly by Night (talk) 02:21, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Yes, that's the link. A person who has been editing Wikipedia since October 28, 2010. (talk) 03:48, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Looking for help

Resolved

 – by User:TEB728 -- John of Reading (talk) 06:45, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Hi. I left a "help me" template on my talk page and got no response. Earlier I was adding many sources to the Jill Gibson article and I don't know what went wrong? I can't see the different page numbers on the 5 books that I used for references. I also added sources from old print magazines. I'm not sure why the page numbers are not displaying. Caden ^cool 03:40, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Please direct me to exactly which sources they are, and when you placed the {{helpme}}. A person who has been editing Wikipedia since October 28, 2010. (talk) 03:52, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

It's all of the sources I added today on the Jill Gibson article. I think I added the help me template on my talk page an hour ago. Caden ^cool 03:59, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Help on what is a reliable source

Hello

I am currently having difficulty in understanding how reliable a reliable source has to be in order to be used on Wikipedia. I recently made a contribution to the Like A Prayer article using this reference which came directly from this website. It was continually reverted (only by one editor) who gave reasons including it wasn't a reliable source and the website it came from was a fan site. I accept the fact that the article came from a fan site, but the actual article which I am quoting is a direct scan from a physical newspaper that has then been put online. The newspaper NME is very much a reliable source. It is fairly obvious the text has not been edited to be different from the original text. The original article comes from 1989, so it is not included on NME's current website. I fail to see the difference between referecning an online scanned copy of an article and using a full academic reference for the magazine (or any book) from my local library without any online link. Is it more reliable to use a reference for a book or magazine that no-one can actually verify without buying the said item or trawling through their local/national libraries?

I am more than happy to be proved wrong, I'm just confused as to where the line is drawn. Any thoughts are most welcome and appreciated! Paul75 (talk)

The source in this case should be NME, cached at the fan website. This puts the original source as NME, while still giving the working like to NME. Stuartyeates (talk) 10:09, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Hmmm... it appears to me that the reference at the fan website is likely a copyvio link. As such, it should not be used. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 12:33, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

My view would be the same, such sources can never be linked to (see WP:ELNEVER), reliability isn't really an issue. You'll have to reference the NME article directly and alone, but in order for it to be verifiable you'll need the precise issue/page number etc. Rehevkor ✉ 12:38, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Note also that in this era of Photoshop, we cannot assume that what appears to be a scan of a legitimate source is in fact anything of the sort. Fakery is easy. --Orange Mike | Talk 15:29, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Deleted articles

How do I view deleted articles as it seen before the moment it was deleted? 123.24.79.245 (talk) 03:44, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Only admins can do that. Dismas|^(talk) 03:45, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Google search results sometimes retain a cached copy of deleted Wikipedia pages for a period of time ranging from hours to a few days after they disappear from Wikipedia. Sometimes an archive site like the Wayback Machine has old copies of a Wikipedia article stored "permanently", but not likely the last revision before the article was deleted. From WP:AFTERDELETE:

• "If the article is deleted and you would like a copy of it to be restored to your userspace so that you may work on addressing the concerns about the page, you may contact one of the admins listed at Category:Wikipedia administrators who will provide copies of deleted articles. Or post your request at Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion."

--Teratornis (talk) 19:00, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Downloading wikitext

I'm interested in downloading a few pages of Wikipedia content. I seem to remember a way of getting the wikitext rather than just screen-scraping; can anyone tell me what that is? Something like &format=raw I imagine.

I looked at m:Help:Downloading pages but, oddly, it doesn't address the issue. Wikipedia:Database download is not relevant here; I just want a page or three, not gigabytes of source.

CRGreathouse (t | c) 04:22, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

It's "action=raw"; see mw:Manual:Parameters to index.php at Mediawiki. Eg This example. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:50, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Is there an equivalent of BLP1E for articles about dead people?

The only notable thing about Kevin r winterbottom (sic) is his death, so I don't believe the article should exist. Roger (talk) 07:19, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Plenty of people are best known for the way the died.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 07:53, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

So what? That does not mean they rate a biography here. (If you're not going to even try addressing the issue please don't post a reply.)Roger (talk) 08:01, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

(edit conflict) If you think that the article should not exist, start off by discussing this on the article's talk page. Give it a week, and see what people think. If the consensus is that it should be deleted (or there is no response), or you still feel strongly that it should be deleted, you can either propose it for deletion or take it to Articles for Deletion - of course, you can do either of those two right now if you wanted to, but I think it would be a good idea to try to discuss this first on the talk page - someone might come up with a compelling argument for why it should be kept that you agree with - and in this case, there is no compelling reason for a quick deletion, so the week's wait won't do any harm. PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 08:03, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Actually, having looked at the article, I don't think that Winterbottom meets the criteria for inclusion, so I am going to propose it for deletion. PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 08:07, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

(ec) I just find it strange that the "one event" rule applies only to living people. Does it somehow make someone inherently more notable if the "one event" happens to involve the person's death? Roger (talk) 08:14, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

• For non-living people, see WP:BIO1E. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 09:05, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks SmokeyJoe, that is exactly what I was looking for. The case of this article has however moved on. It appears the subject may possibly be notable due to being awarded the Honoris Crux medal. Roger (talk) 09:28, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Editing raw watch list

I have a few entries on my watch list that just will not go away, no matter how I edit them. I would expect editing the raw watch list would be pretty straightforward, but it is not. Is there a way to access the raw source code? There used to be, if I remember correctly. --TimL (talk) 12:12, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

At the top of your watchlist right under where it says "My watclist" it says, "For GB fan (Display watched changes | View and edit watchlist | Edit raw watchlist)" You should be able to click on the edit watchlist link. GB fan 12:18, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Well I guess I wasn't clear, no matter how I edit them. Including the link you referred to. --TimL (talk) 12:35, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Please tell us what happens when you click on Edit raw watchlist. Does it not bring you to your raw watchlist? Or are you saying that you were able to access it but didn't find the page titles in order to remove them? Or are you saying that the page titles were in there and you removed them and saved (by clicking on "update watchlist") but even after you did that the pages are still coming up in your watchlist? Something else?--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:52, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Or are you saying that the page titles were in there and you removed them and saved (by clicking on "update watchlist") but even after you did that the pages are still coming up in your watchlist? That. Regardless of method. --TimL (talk) 17:16, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

If this were a page viewing issue, I'd think it was a cache issue on Wikipedia's end. I don't know if watchlists are cached like this, but they may be. How long ago did you clear the pages? Try clicking on the following purge link (which may do nothing but won't hurt) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Watchlist/raw&action=purge --Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 17:29, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

I tried the purge link but no dice. This looks like some sort of bug in the wiki software. I'm not sure what you mean by how long ago did I clear the pages. If you mean how long ago did I try to remove pages from my watch list? 5 minutes ago, Two hours ago, several times a day ago. It seems to be certain entries, for example, I just removed 'Edwin Drake' from my watch list with no problems. Definitely seem like a bug in the wiki database. --TimL (talk) 17:54, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Are you trying to remove page names that contain a question mark? There is a known bug in this area. A workaround is to use "Edit raw watchlist" as follows: copy your watchlist out to a text file, then delete the whole watchlist and save it, then paste the text file back in except for the unwanted entries, and save that as your new watchlist. Messy. -- John of Reading (talk) 20:30, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Sean Burch article

I submitted an article on an individual named Sean Burch and have not yet seen anything on him on Wikipedia. Does that mean I did something in error when submitting? Should I resubmit?

Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 239Catapults (talk • contribs) 14:21, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Your contribution list shows only this posting to the Help desk, and I don't find Sean Burch in WP:Articles for Deletion, so my guess is that you did not manage to save your work (perhaps you pressed "review", or perhaps your article contained links which were rejected). Since you have not yet made ten edits, I would expect that your account is not yet WP:autoconfirmed, so you will not be able to create new pages anyway.

There is actually no such thing as "submitting" an article to Wikipedia: you edit articles, and when you save an article it is live. It does make a difference, however, whether you create the article in main space or in a subpage of your user page.

Have a look at WP:your first article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ColinFine (talk • contribs) 15:24, 9 July 2011

I believe that any registered editor can create pages. See WP:AUTOCONFIRM -- John of Reading (talk) 20:35, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Special:ListGroupRights says the "Users" group (i.e., all registered users) have the createpage right. --Teratornis (talk) 21:24, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

X5 Winner

Hiya

I came on to this site on 9th July 2011. It said that i was the X5 winner for the day and gave me some prizes to choose from and the system was counting down. However, when i went to pick a prize, my computer wouldnt allow it and kept saying i am not authorised.

Is this a legite prize?? If so what happens now, can i still get the prize or have i missed out because of this??

Please reply to my email address: Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by LucyTwin86 (talk • contribs) 14:57, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

You are at Wikipedia, the free encyclopaedia that anyone can edit. As far as I know, Wikipedia never gives prizes or offers to give prizes, so I don't think the site you came on to was Wikipedia, or anything to do with Wikipedia. If you were trying to go to Wikipedia, it is possible that your computer has been compromised by malware which is redirecting you do a suspect site, and you should get your computer disinfected as soon as possible. --ColinFine (talk) 15:28, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

I've seen this before, both here and on other sites. You probably typed in "wikpedia" or some other misspelling. If you'd managed to give them your email address, you'd be deluged with spam. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 18:08, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Disambiguation page please

Hi, caught up in editing Al Capone, Prince Buster and so on, I have created a redlink for The Trojans (group), London based ska and blues band, as this group was wrongly wikilinked to The Trojans, would someone be so kind as to do a disambig page for The Trojans? and then I might get around to creating a stub for the group some time soon. Cheers. CaptainScreebo ^Parley! 16:13, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Normally we only create a dab page when there are three or more articles that are known by the same name. I only see one article right now and with yours there would be two. In this instance once you create the article you can just put a hat note on the top of The Trojans directing people to the new article. GB fan please tell me what you think of my editing 16:24, 9 July 2011 (UTC).

There is an existing disambiguation page for Trojan, which lists Les Troyens. I added a hatnote on Les Troyens with a link to Trojan, using: {{about|the opera||Trojan}}. Trojans is a redirect to Trojan. I see no need for another disambiguation page with the similar title "The Trojans", just use the page we have, to list The Trojans (group) when you have created the page and shepherded it past the deletionists. Also see Sports teams named Trojans, which does not directly apply to this question but lists many more articles with Trojans in their titles. --Teratornis (talk) 18:35, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

When searching for applicable disambiguation pages, one should search also for variants on a title, for example without the definite article "the". The Trojans is currently a redirect to Les Troyens (the opera) but might be better as a redirect to Trojan which lists many other articles that someone might search for under "The Trojans" (for example the many famous and obscure sports teams). --Teratornis (talk) 18:44, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

adding attribution

I started a page Oryctes Rhinoceros , and the content was from wiki.pestinfo.org, and that site was under creativecommons. How to add attribution to that page? -- Raghith 18:42, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Look through Category:Attribution templates to see if a specific attribution template is available. If not, then the procedure seems to be to use a generic template such as {{source-attribution}} or {{citation-attribution}}. --Teratornis (talk) 18:47, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Except that {{source-attribution}} refers to public domain, and you want a Creative Commons attribution template. {{Cc-by-sa-3.0}} might work, although we normally use that template on file pages. You could also create a {{Pestinfo}} similar to the other attribution templates, which could be used in many articles that draw content from this source. --Teratornis (talk) 18:53, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

username

If usernames cannot be taken by someone else once they are taken, then won't there eventually be no usernames to choose from? A person who has been editing Wikipedia since October 28, 2010. (talk) 19:11, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Strangely, WP:USERNAME does not seem to specify the maximum length of a username, but the length is probably high enough to allow for an astronomical number of possible usernames, making it unlikely that all usernames will be taken any time soon. However, increasingly more of the "good" usernames will probably be taken as time goes on, making it harder for new users to pick a name they like which is not already taken. Maybe in 100 years if Wikipedia still exists and virtually all of today's editors are dead, Wikipedians of the future may come up with a scheme to archive off some or all of the old names to alternative aliases, to free up the "good" names that future editors might want to usurp. Note that a similar issue arises with Web sites such as Tinyurl that provide shortened URL aliases for Web pages - thanks to the wonders of combinatorial mathematics, it only takes a relatively few characters to give enough combinations to equal all the Web addresses that exist. Of course the vast majority of character combinations will not have grammatical meaning. --Teratornis (talk) 19:26, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Also, WP:USERNAME excludes many possible usernames, such as those that are misleadingly similar to existing usernames. Thus a given username occupies a larger "footprint" in the possible space of usernames than just one place. Again, this would mostly create an issue of using up the "good" usernames that new users would be likely to try choosing. The number of possible usernames is so vast that we can afford to consume them wastefully by forbidding similar usernames. --Teratornis (talk) 19:30, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

It appears from mw:Manual:$wgMaxNameChars and http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=InitialiseSettings.php that the current length limit for Wikipedia is 64 bytes. If we only allowed lower case letters, spaces and digits then this would still give around 37⁶⁴ or approximately a googol possibilities. This is more than the total estimated number of fundamental particles in the observable universe so we could give each of them a username, if we could just figure out where to store the username database. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:19, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

CLOSED CAPTIONED UNDER SPENCER FAMILY AS HENRY FONDA AND JAMES MACARTHUR

THE MOVIE IS REAL GOOD PLAY HENRY FONDA, JAMES MACARTHUR, MAUREEN OSULLIVAN AND TWO PEOPLE MORE ADDED I DID NOT NOTICE ENOUGH I KNEW THEM ONE WAS PLAYED EX WITH ANDY GRIFFITH SHOW WITH AUNT BEE (FRANCES BAVIER ) AND MALE WAS PLAYED WITH "I DREAM OF JEANNIE" WITH LARRY HAGAMAN THE SOLIDER WAS BOSS I DID NOT CATCH HIS NAME. I HOPE YOU WILL REALZIE THEM. THANK YOU BARBARA SMITH — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.84.25.180 (talk) 19:39, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Do you have a question? If you are trying to identify actors who appeared in a film, you can ask on Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities Wikipedia:Reference desk/Entertainment. Stating the name of the film, if you know it, would make such questions easier to answer. --Teratornis (talk) 20:23, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Searchable table number order

Hello. I'm using Wiki markup to create a searchable table on Wikia, and one column is intended to have any of the numbers from 0 to 10 and the ? symbol. The table is working fine, I'm very happy with it, but now that there are some 10s in this column, it sorts going 0, 1, 10, 2, 3, etc. Is there any way to fix the order to numerical without breaking the rest of the table? Thank you. Lady BlahDeBlah (talk) 20:21, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Do you mean "sortable" rather than "searchable"? All the text on a Web page is normally searchable in a Web browser, with Ctrl+F or ⌘+F. See Help:Sorting#Numeric sorting with hidden key for one possible solution to your question. --Teratornis (talk) 20:27, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, it's sortable. We generally called it searchable because the sorting makes it easier to find things...it's lateish here. XD Lady BlahDeBlah (talk) 20:30, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Am I correct perhaps in thinking that the ?s are making the column sort like this, and not numerically? Lady BlahDeBlah (talk) 20:35, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Help:Sorting#Sort modes explains how the sort function decides what to do. The presence of a non-numerical string in a column (such as "?") might cause the sorter to treat every element in the column as a string, in which case the string "10" would sort before "3" since the sorter would compare the the two strings character by character, starting with the first character. I'm not familiar with the details. You should be able to get the sorting behavior you want by specifying hidden sort keys. "Searchable" is not a good synonym for "sortable" as searching and sorting usually have very different meanings in computer science. Searching is like finding one item in your house, whereas sorting is like tidying up the entire house (something I have never actually done, although I have contemplated it on occasion). You are correct to note that a sorted list is usually easier to search, both for humans and for computers. --Teratornis (talk) 21:18, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

File:William Hearn umpire.jpg

Can someone crop File:William Hearn umpire.jpg to remove the whitespace? Thanks, Albacore (talk) 21:11, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Photo confusion

Can someone tell me how to upload a photo? And when I click on them some look like they're on the English wiki and others say "This is a file from the Wikimedia Commons (icon) Information from its description page there (icon), is shown below." I don't get it. Thanks.PumpkinSky (talk) 22:46, 9 July 2011 (UTC)