User talk:Just Step Sideways

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Policy

Please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Bishonen#Policy. Looks like you would be willing help Bishonen with this. I think all conditions are met.--Elvey (talk) 19:52, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

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Early archiving

I noticed that, in November, you simultaneously removed a tag and archived the related discussion. If your behavior was procedural, I think it was premature and has now had the effect of implying that you "contested" the proposal. If you were indeed against the proposal, then you deserve a finger-wagging for stifling conversation with a premature archive in a way that superficially appeared to be merely procedural. — Ƶ§œš¹ _{[ãːɱ ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɪ̃ə̃nlɪ]} 19:14, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

The merge tag was added to the article here]. That's May 19th 2010. No actual proposal for merging was made on the talk page at that time. Fast forward to October of this year. You made a comment and the person who added the tag replied. More than a month later I removed that tag and archived that page. How anyone could think that it was premature is a bit obscure to me, so your "finger wagging" is a bit misplaced from where I am sitting. For the record I have no opinion whatsoever on the actual merge proposal. While I can't say two comments over a period of two and a half years constitutes a consensus there is also a lack of consensus against the merger so instead of complaining to me I suggest you review WP:SILENCE and WP:SOFIXIT as they both seem to apply to this situation. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:05, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Hello?

I see you're back. Are you going to consider my request here?--Elvey (talk) 00:32, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

(Belated} Barnstar

It's a little late, but I've been meaning to give this to you for starting up the FZ project:

		The Original Barnstar
		For finally getting the WP:ZAPPA project started

ComputerGeek3000

I think you jumped the gun just a bit. He was originally blocked by copyright violations. When he returned, he started by posting fair-use images of living people, but with correct sourcing and copyright information. Once I pointed out the problem with images of living people, he stopped, and every subsequent image was of dead people. He was clearly listening to warnings and modifying his behaviour to take them into account.—Kww(talk) 00:58, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

That's what I get for just going by the warnings. I'll have another look. I'm still concerned about the utter lack of communication though. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:23, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Just saw that block-unblock thing. Kww is right up to that point, which is also the reason I didn't block again. The reason I gave him that final warning was because of his last upload: he first uploaded a non-free image of a deceased person, with correct attribution and everything, but it happened to be from a commercial agency, so it had to be deleted as F7. Innocent mistake, so far. But he then re-uploaded the same image and changed the authorship attribution to "unknown", as if trying to circumvent the rule with a falsehood, so that's basically another deliberate copyright violation, in my book. I'll be happy to leave it up to you how to further deal with him. Fut.Perf. ☼ 20:45, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

I'm hoping they will get the point from my unblock message that when they are not sure what to do they should ask for help instead of guessing or worse, lying. It is possible they will manage to do that but I am not holding my breath. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:48, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Arbcom Reform Party

You are an admin and you should know better than engage in personal attacks like this one[1] (especially the edit summary). Please redact. Nsk92 (talk) 23:53, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

The evidence of his dishonesty is manifest right there on that very page for all to see, as well as at his candidate page for the recent arbcom election. If he is going to be the leader of this useless organization he will need to be able to face that his actions will be criticized. Beeblebrox (talk) 02:44, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

You might want to re-read the opening paragraph of WP:NPA: "Do not make personal attacks anywhere in Wikipedia. Comment on content, not on the contributor." Criticism is one thing, but giving your post the summary "Oh, and you are a liar" is not criticism, it is a personal attack. Nsk92 (talk) 13:49, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

The problem in this case is that the "content" is the party itself, which is being run by a person who has shown a staggering pattern of WP:IDHT behavior along with outright dishonesty. The content and the contributor are more or less the same thing in this case. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:55, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Ethnic conflict in Sri Lanka

whatever

Above page is proposed to delete again in Nov 2012 Here are the comments by users Jsorens > Keep 175.157.37.73 > Please Keep Shu-sai-chong > Keep MediaJet > Keep 131.107.0.81 > Keep obi2canibe > Not improved Sue Rangell > The result was KEEP. Can you please re iterate tags put by user self for this page. No one mentioned problems in this version and all agreed result was Keep from previous Keep and improve — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.245.172.32 (talk) 07:55, 7 January 2013 (UTC) I'm sorry but I don't understand what it is you want me to do. I closed a previous AFD on this article back in August but otherwise have had no editorial involvement with it. Administrators do not have any special authority over actual article content. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:52, 7 January 2013 (UTC) Here is your involvement to the article. Here is the discussion you used to put tags to the page and result was Keep and Improve. Here is the latest discussion about the page and most of the people appreciated the content and one person said this need improvements. The result was just Keep. I don't want you to go inside the content or the article. Just look at the latest discussion and agreed result considering your tags (neutrality,grammar, structure, point of view,expert on the subject). Then can you please double check whether you want to keep tags introduce by your self. Even participants collectively concluded page is improved your feedback is important since you are the person who introduced tags. Thanks I introduced the tags as a result of the consensus arrived at at the discussion in August. Since consensus can change it would be more appropriate to discuss this with users who are actually involved with this article, which I have not been watching in the interim, to determine if there is a consensus now that it has been sufficiently improved and the tags are no longer applicable. You could also pursue some form of dispute resolution if you are unable to resolve this issue amongst yourselves. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:44, 8 January 2013 (UTC) What I can't understand is you put tags as a result of the consensus ( Keep and Improve ) arrived at the AFD discussion in August. So why you reluctant to re consider your tags considering result of the consensus (Keep) of latest AFD discussion happened during November ? If consensus of AFD can be used to introduce tags why a consensus of 100% same AFD discussion can't be used to remove tags ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.245.172.16 (talk) 12:11, 9 January 2013 (UTC) The tag were introduced by you. You must able to use same algorithm or what ever facts you considered when tagging the page to re consider tags are required. Others don't know why you made these tags and what algorithm used for tags. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.245.160.252 (talk) 15:26, 9 January 2013 (UTC) I don't see what is so hard to understand about it. Added the tags as a result of the close of the previous discussion. I have not been monitoring the article in the meantime and I am not interested in becoming involved in it now. like everyone else here I am a volunteer and self-assign what work I do. I don't take assignments from you or anyone else. Beeblebrox (talk) 16:43, 9 January 2013 (UTC) If you say you are not interest about this article it is ok. But if you edited something you are a party of a dispute. I will create a dispute resolution to remove tags in which I may add you as a party. I created a dispute resolution discussion on Here. You may participate to the discussion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.245.165.18 (talk) 06:22, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Are you familiar with a certain users vandalism and talking style?

It seems that you know him, as you've reported him using socks years before, so I would like to ask you if you're familiar with his older incarnations or talking style. I do not know where he operates, so I can't check anything back then. From the list of people who report his socks on sock investigation page, most users who have dealt with him more than once have retired. The current suspected sock has respond to my message. Can you take a look at [2] and tell me what you think? There's also an ongoing investigation of whether Redcoyote18 is Bambifan101's sock here [3], and a CU says that the physical location is quite different. We're still waiting for more opinion from another CU at the moment, but more entry from someone familiar with him will be appreciated. If Redcoyote18 is indeed innocent, like, a good faith but misguided/disagreeing editor, I would want to give him a fair chance. May I have your opinion in this regard? Anthonydraco (talk) 14:26, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

It's been a very long time and I'm not sure I would be able to say one way or the other, but I will have a look. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:45, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

From what I am seeing I don't think it is him. Although he has certainly been known to alter his targets and style in the past this seems like just some other hard-headed person. I could elaborate on my reasoning by email if you like, I'd rather not get too detailed here, just in case. Either way they are probably headed for a block. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:36, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. But there's no need to do it via email. I've added the link to your response to the sockpuppet investigation page. More than one user, including me, suspect that a new user is the case. The spelling's different. Once I learned that this user's location is quite different from Bambifan101, I asked around. Gotta give this user a fair chance. Anthonydraco (talk) 23:01, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Bears. Grrrrrrr.

Hey, Beeblebrox. I'm wondering whether this was such a good idea. The page has 229 watchers, which should be more than adequate to ensure that valid edit requests don't languish. There have been six edit requests over the past six months—not exactly what I'd call a "high number". Five of the six requests were answered the same day; the sixth, which required a fair amount of thought, was answered within two days. The most recent request (the one that brought me to the article for the first time ever) probably would have been accepted had it been posed as a pending edit, and it might well have been left unmodified, which would have been unfortunate. If you'll notice, what the user requested was less than what was optimal, and less than what I did. If it ain't broke . . . imho. Rivertorch (talk) 11:15, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

• From what I have seen so far most PC edits are being reviewed within one hour so it is hoped this will encourage users to submit edits. if it doesn't work it can be changed back to semi easily enough. Beeblebrox (talk) 16:40, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

I'm skeptical that Bear is the sort of article that would benefit from PC, being of the top-level, heavily watched persuasion. I had hoped it would be applied more conservatively, specifically to solve demonstrated problems that under-watched pages are having under semi. Anyway, I guess it's fitting somehow that you're the one to PC the first PCed article on my watchlist. (I actually mean that in a a nice way, believe it or not.) Rivertorch (talk) 19:32, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

I should have mentioned as well that it was under PC during the trial and was put back under semi when the trial was over. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:00, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Around

Are you around? Youreallycan 06:15, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Not sure if you mean in general or right this second, but the answer to both is "sort of". Beeblebrox (talk) 06:17, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Cool - would you please remove my rollbacker right - I don't need it an it seems to affect twinke in a net loss sort of way. Thanks - Youreallycan 06:19, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

 Done Beeblebrox (talk) 06:23, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Many thanks to you Beeblebrox - Youreallycan 06:24, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

You know, now that you mention it I have been having trouble with twinkle lately. But rollback is automatic in the admin toolkit, I don't think I can get rid of it without turning in the whole set. Maybe some tech nerd has a fancy script for this... Beeblebrox (talk) 06:27, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

For what it's worth, I would consider this removal to be somewhat "under a cloud", as I'd just warned YRC for inappropriate rollback use prior to this request, which YRC removed just prior to making this request from you: [4]. I find the timing...interesting, to put it mildly. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 07:07, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

To be perfectly honest, I consider rollback to be a more or less worthless user right. Since YRC requested it be removed because it was interfering with Twinkle (which has rollback included in it and can be used by anyone who has registered an account) it seems fairly unimportant either way. Beeblebrox (talk) 07:22, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

True enough, just wanted to let you know what's going on. By the way, I happen to be a tech nerd, would you have some interest in a .js that suppresses rollback for admins? I'm not sure if that's possible or what interference it would cause with Twinkle, but if it's acting up, it might be worth a few lines of code. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 07:27, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Well, I am not entirely sure rollback is the issue. Twinkle rollback sometimes does not work for me, but I have also been having issues with its protection function. I suspect it is related to the tool not being optimized for iPad, which is how I have been editing much of the time lately. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:19, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Userfy deleted

Could you please userfy the deleted version of List of defensive gun use incidents for me? Gaijin42 (talk) 16:48, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

 Done. see User:Gaijin42/List of defensive gun use incidents Beeblebrox (talk) 18:16, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

thanks! Gaijin42 (talk) 19:51, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Penyulap

I have not got to the bottom of the block yet, but I can say with a fair degree of confidence Pen is not a suck-puppeteer in any way that is significant. These claims were made based on a number of misunderstandings, which reflect badly on us as a community. As I say I am not exonerating Pen completely in regard to other matters, because I have not investigated them (and maybe never will) but so far he comes up, if not squeaky clean, at least clean enough, and as they say "more sinned against than sinning". Rich Farmbrough, 05:14, 13 January 2013 (UTC).

I don't really know myself, but I was under the impression they had repeatedly bragged about socking. However I also understand Penyulap has a somewhat unusual sense of humor and overall style of communication. At the moment I'm not sure it really matters given the bizarre rant submitted as an unblock request. Beeblebrox (talk) 05:55, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Block of Ucycoin

You blocked Ucycoin (talk · contribs) for having a "promotional username". Can you please explain the reasoning for that block? — Hex (❝?!❞) 15:32, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Never mind, I found the reason by examining the old revision of their sandbox. — Hex (❝?!❞) 15:35, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Laina

Please unsalt. I want to redirect it to Overly Attached Girlfriend#Laina. CallawayRox (talk) 21:16, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

 Done. Beeblebrox (talk) 00:54, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Message from ComputerGeek3000's IP address

Dear Beeblebrox, JeremyA blocked my account for violating copyright policy again, but I didn't upload no more images on Wikipedia and I continue to edit without violating copyright policy, and I read the Wikipedia:Copyright violations, Wikipedia:Copyrights, and Wikipedia:Non-free content project pages and I fully understand the copyright policy on Wikipedia and I did what you told me, not to upload no more images on Wikipedia and that is what I did. 69.209.202.155 (talk) 18:45, 15 January 2013 (UTC).

Note that Computergeek3000 has been found socking on Commons, using sock accounts to upload the images there and linking to them here.—Kww(talk) 19:12, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

I would also note that block evasion is the surest path to not being unblocked. please use the unblock template as described in the notice on your talk page. Beeblebrox (talk) 21:16, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

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Hello, Just Step Sideways. You have new messages at Mediran's talk page.
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John Evangelist Stadler

Hello and thanks for tagging this for notability back in Jan 2008. I've removed it because inclusion in The Catholic Encyclopedia seems to prove notability. If you disagree, you may want to consider taking it to the Notqability Noticeboard or AfD. Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 09:28, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, and my apologies

Thanks for your informative help. And my apologies for my ignorance having caused me to unwittingly break Wiki rules.Tlhslobus (talk) 10:12, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

3 year old edit

Hello, Beeblebrox! When I read a WP article I have a habit of checking it's evolution throughout the years via the page history, and I sometimes do this on its talk page, too. Which brings me to an edit you made 3 years ago. In this edit, you removed a large chunk of a talk page with the edit summary "archiving/tagging" but I can't find an archive. Was this accidental? If so, could you please create the archive? Forgive me for pestering. Rgrds. --64.85.214.103 (talk) 09:33, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

I just tried to do so, and got a spam filter message: "The following link has triggered a protection filter: <redacted>.associatedcontent.com Either that exact link, or a portion of it (typically the root domain name) is currently blocked." So, somewhere in that chunk of text is a link to that website that is being blocked. I had to redact the prefixes just to reprint the warning here on my talk just now! I vaguely remember this now, I searched the text but could not find the link. I could swear i also remember explaining that on the talk page at the time, but I don't see any such edit now. Beeblebrox (talk) 15:57, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Whoa, I got it to work: Talk:Cult of personality/Archive 1, but now I don't know what to do with it. Could you make sure the talk page is linked to the archives properly and check that I did it right. The offending link was in the first sentence of the George W. Bush section (the text in italics, I replaced the "." with "<dot>"). Rgrds. (Dynamic IP, will change when I log off.) --64.85.215.183 (talk) 17:17, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Nice work, looks good. I added the relevant tags to the archive and talk page. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:31, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

MFD on Rich Farmbrough's blog

Fuck off

Beeblebrox, I see you closed this as Keep. Per the policy NOTBLOG blogs are not allowed on user pages, so how on earth is this a keep ? Policy supersedes votes, so policy should have been carried out (No I'm not yelling at you....I'm curious ....that's all )  KoshVorlon. We are all Kosh ...  12:25, 22 January 2013 (UTC) "policy supersedes votes" I don't where you got that idea but it is dead wrong. Policy is meant to reflect the community's will, not dictate to it. Consensus is Wikipedia's fundamental model for decision making and it seems abundantly clear that consensus did not support your deletion reasoning. Beeblebrox (talk) 15:41, 22 January 2013 (UTC) Policy indeed does | for example ... it's stated here | here too... in fact, it stated near the bottom that policy superces consensus - and that's from an admin , | and here too | yet another admin emphatically stating that policy overrides consensus . I won't add more here, but the main point of all of these links are to show that policy has and does override consensus.  KoshVorlon. We are all Kosh ...  17:30, 22 January 2013 (UTC) (talk page stalker) If policy trumped consensus, there'd be no point in xFD discussions. Simply apply policy, right? Nope. No point in pursuing this Kosh, it's a dead end and all you're going to end up doing is looking bitter about it. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:19, 22 January 2013 (UTC) Those links all go to the edit window, not specific edits, so I don't know what in particular you are referring to. If you wish to challenge the outcome of the MFD you can pursue a deletion review. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:26, 22 January 2013 (UTC) He already has here. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:36, 22 January 2013 (UTC) Hmm, yes and according to the timestamps he did so before even my first reply here, yet he did not bother to inform me of it. charming. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:48, 22 January 2013 (UTC) Yep, hence my note. Nothing to worry about, but poor behaviour nevertheless... The Rambling Man (talk) 18:50, 22 January 2013 (UTC) So..... you asked me where I got my notion from that policy superceded votes, and I gave you links, and your response was not to read them? Great. Next time read . I pointed you to three discussions on ANI board where that very thing was stated. + Is there a way to access the source code for the now-deleted List of Bell TV channels, please? With all the hard work put into it, i wish Wikipedia would at least allow the chance to move this to (say) a channel listing Wiki. Thanks! --True Tech Talk Time (talk) 20:38, 22 January 2013 (UTC)>br> − − − 1.) Was User:Kelly on then 7th indent down on [[5]] − stating: − I understand where you're coming from. However, when it comes to clear policy violations, I think we have a different interpretation of "involved admin". Just because Future Perfect pointed out policy during the discussion does not disqualify him from taking action in the same case. If an admin were to opine that a particular fact was a violation of WP:BLP in a particular biography, this does not bar her from blocking the BLP-violating editor or protecting the article. The overall community consensus of site policy overrides the individual consensus of involved editors in cases like this. Kelly hi! 16:22, 24 August 2008 (UTC) − − − 2.) Was ADMIN User:Jclemens once again on the AN board [[6]] stating , once again , that policy superceded consensus: − − While yes, the act of making something deletable and then nominating it for deletion is bad form, that's not the case here. The thing that made this (and every other possible non-free image) deletable wasn't consensus or the presence or absence of the image in an article. If a free image exists all non-free images are off the table and to be deleted from the encyclopedia, period. Doesn't matter what consensus is, nor does it matter how much better the non-free image might or might not be: It's not up for debate. Between two non-free images or two free images, by all means let the debate continue in a polite and aboveboard manner. In this case, however? Nuke the non-free image--there's no debate to be had, just a reiteration of the policy. Jclemens (talk) 03:34, 29 May 2010 (UTC) − − − 3.) Yet another admin weighted in User:Gonzo_fan2007 ion this AN posting [7]] and he stated: − − People this is a Foundation Issue. The use of the images specifically violates WP:NFCC#8. Someone please explain to me how the use of this image meets WP:NFCC#8 and I will gladly stop what I am doing. Also, I am admin of this site, and am obligated to enforce policy. I am not required to wait to enforce policy, nor do I need consensus to enforce policy. I am stopping now because there is opposition (ignorant opposition, but opposition at that). « Gonzo fan2007 (talk ♦ contribs) @ 04:38, 2 September 2008 (UTC) − − Once again stating that policy trumps consensus. So it's not just my word, it's at least 2 admins and one user. −  KoshVorlon. We are all Kosh ...  20:54, 22 January 2013 (UTC) By your own logic WP:CONSENSUS proves you wrong in its first sentence. Don't yell at me to read when you are the one too lazy or incompetent to post actual diffs. Actually, just go away, I have had it with your thick-headed nonsense. Beeblebrox (talk) 21:03, 22 January 2013 (UTC) Really ? Actually, it isn't just my logic. I based my argument on the arguments of three other users, two of whom are admins, so now what you're really saying is those other three uers (and I ) are wrong and you're right. O.K, if you really believe that, fine. 21:26, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

List of Bell TV channels

Is there a way to access the source code for the now-deleted List of Bell TV channels, please? With all the hard work put into it, i wish Wikipedia would at least allow the chance to move this to (say) a channel listing Wiki. Thanks! --True Tech Talk Time (talk) 20:38, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

 Done See User:True Tech Talk Time/List of Bell TV channels. Please be sure to properly attribute any content that is reused elsewhere. Beeblebrox (talk) 21:15, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Blocked as compromised account

I have blocked this account as apparently compromised - the latest series of edits are not typical behaviour for the editor in question. I will be opening a thread on WP:AN (✉→BWilkins←✎) 21:49, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

The account is most definitely not compromised. --Rschen7754 21:50, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Disagree. Please unblock. I see an editor frustrated by another, but no compromise of account. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:51, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Are you fucking kidding me B? It is me, not compromised, and I have often told thick-headed people who refuse to stop posting to my talk page to fuck off. See User:Beeblebrox/fuck off, a page all about how I reserve the right to do so. Please undo this ridiculous block right away. Beeblebrox (talk) 21:52, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

You have mail, Beeblebrox. Please respond. Bishonen | talk 21:57, 22 January 2013 (UTC).

Like the others, I don't think this is a compromised account, but I do think Beeblebrox has flown off the handle in an unbecoming manner. While blocking for being a compromised account isn't the right call, I'm not at all sure that we could hold to a civility policy of any kind while not dealing with someone who calls others "petty fascist idiot"s. Beeblebrox, dial it back. Please? I know you don't entirely buy into the civility thing, but consider that calling Kosh names is no more likely to make him do what you want than punching him in the face, and significantly less likely to do so than just not talking to him anymore. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 21:57, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Unblocked. I care not a whit for the civility questions, as blocking someone because you think they could never be angry and therefore must be someone else entirely is pretty bad. --Golbez (talk) 22:00, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

I can confirm in my role as a CheckUser that the edit was not made by a compromised account. Tiptoety ^talk 22:02, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

My decision to block as potentially compromised was an WP:AGF reaction to the wholly out-of-character personal attacks made from the account. That type of phrasing towards any editor - whether in the middle of an argument or not - is not typical behaviour for Beeblebrox. If CU says it was not compromised, then I'll believe it, and I'm sorry ... I'm going to be absolutely shocked instead, it appears (✉→BWilkins←✎) 22:05, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

AGF my ass B. All i wanted was for a thick headed person who completely misunderstands what Wikipedia is and how it works to quit posting nonsensical crap to my talk page. He chose to try and war the section back open, so I turned up the volume to try and make my position more clear. Nothing more complicated than that. Beeblebrox (talk) 22:08, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

I too am very confused by the use of "AGF" here. You assumed good faith that Beeblebrox couldn't possibly be that pissed off, so it must have been someone else? To remove so much agency from someone seems insulting on its own, let alone the consequences it had. --Golbez (talk) 22:31, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

That's why I just hat the thing and rollback any further comments --Rschen7754 22:09, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

• Note to Bish I got an email from UTRS in response to an unblock request and another from an arb making sure I hadn't gone crazy. If you weren't referring to one of those I guess try again. Beeblebrox (talk) 22:30, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

• • Well, I happened to catch sight of your famous all-caps edit summary just after you posted it, and tried twice to contact you via the wikimail feature, just before and just after you were blocked. I got the "Your e-mail has been sent" screen both times, but something technical clearly went wrong nevertheless, because I never got the confirming copies to my own address. I was just about to ask if they reached you; clearly not. Anyway, all I wanted was to express my sympathies with the sentiment in your inappropriate edit summary, suggest you cool down, offer to revdel your edit… stuff like that, pretty obvious and of course all moot by now, along with my offer to unblock you, which was in my second message. Large trout to BWilkins for unnecessarily escalating this with the silly "compromised" idea, which could easily have been checked (as it was). And if you feel you need something like that yourself, Beeblebrox, you may regard yourself as being in receipt of Darwinbish's NPA template. Bishonen | talk 22:56, 22 January 2013 (UTC).

Allrighty. I would guess the email fail has to do with the big server migration going on this week. I'm fine though, really. I'm used to folks freaking out on the (very few) occasions I have felt it necessary to cuss someone out, but I can't say I expected what happened today, and I certainly don't need arbcom all up in my grill, but I assume this will all blow over and at some point Kosh will finish digging his own grave. Beeblebrox (talk) 23:07, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Quite likely. But first, he gets a free go at shouting FUCK OFF YOU PETTY FASCIST IDIOT at someone who annoys him. He will be blocked of course, but then quickly unblocked when he screams "but look what happened to the admin who said exactly the same thing to me". Just saying. Moriori (talk) 23:40, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Not really, since an arbitrator has now zapped the edit summary. Beeblebrox (talk) 23:45, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

hey ...

Sorry to see ya had a bad day Beebs. I don't know the details (don't need to know) .. but I know you're one of the good guys, so I hope it all chills for ya. Try not to be too pissed at BW .. he's a good guy too - just things spinning out of control is all. Have a beverage of your choice, and smile when ya wake up in the morning. Cheers. — Ched :  ?  23:52, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I've already popped by his talk page with a "no hard feelings" message. I know he thought he was doing the right thing. My wife is at the store buying fajita supplies and beer as we speak. Although, funny as it may seem, I really was not too upset, I just consider what I did trying to send a message to someone who didn't seem to get it when I sent the same message with less harsh language. Others clearly did not see it that way, such is life. Beeblebrox (talk) 01:25, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

That was all a bit unexpected. Anyway, welcome back, and enjoy the beer! RashersTierney (talk) 01:36, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

A beer for you!

With a hearty 'fuck you' to boot! Take it easy Beeblebrox. Drmies (talk) 02:03, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Unblock review request

About the thread at AN. After seeing the user(s)'s responses and the community's position, I think that it is safe to say unblocks are in order despite other concerns. You've listed yourself as the reviewing admin and I do not wish to step on your toes, so I'll let you handle it as you see fit. Salvidrim! ✉ 05:35, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for reminding me, with all the other chaos here the last 24 hours I hadn't been giving that situation much attention. I have closed the thread and unblocked the accounts. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:06, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

On another matter

Hi. I don't think we've talked but I've seen you around. I wonder if I might ask your opinion on a couple of things. (1) I never swear or engage in ad hominem on article talk pages. I almost never swear on project pages and, though I sometimes discuss the behaviour of others on project pages, I never engage in ad hominem on them. I say whatever I like on user talk pages but expect others to not address me when I tell them not to, and extend the same courtesy. (It pisses me off heartily when people tell me what I can and can't say or talk about on user talk pages.) (2) I'm worried about the way BWilkins uses his block button. Do you have a view on that? --Anthonyhcole (talk) 13:15, 23 January 2013

Hi Anthony. And hello to anyone else looking for any sort of summary statement from me about my actions and block yesterday. Here it is and I don't plan to speak on this matter any further unless there is some unexpected new development.

I almost never swear here either, somebody really has to be acting the fool before I resort to it. While I believe most folks don't find it to be that big of a deal, there is an extremely vocal minority that will freak out when anyone uses a "bad word" for any reason. Of course what I did yesterday ended up going a bit beyond that. For the record, I would do exactly the same thing again, up to and including the first "fuck off" message. I did and do believe it is every user's right to disengage from a conversation on their own talk page that has degraded past the point of usefulness. Any person who keeps posting after being asked to stop is basically trolling and I will always support the right of any user to tell someone who is behaving like that to fuck off. They need to told to fuck off since they are not responding to normal language asking them to stop. But , clearly, I crossed the line yesterday and yes, I did post an angry all-caps attack on another person in an edit summary. Whether I had the "moral right" to do that or not it was and is against site policy to ever engage in name calling. And that is as it should be, if everyone behaved like that all the time we would never get anything done and a lot of valued users would leave. So, short version, I think I did make a mistake, but just one. Everything up to that point I stand behind 100%.

As to your concern about how B uses the block button, in this case he was in error about what was going on and he probably should have quietly spoken to a CU before just blocking, but he was acting out of a genuine belief that my account had been compromised and a genuine desire to protect WP from harm, and I was only blocked for nine minutes so I can't say I see a real problem there. If there are other block actions he has made you have other issues with I would suggest you discuss them with him directly. He's pretty easy to talk to and I count him among "the good guys" around here, he just sees things in a a slightly more black-and-white/right -vs- wrong light than I do. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:24, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Beeblebrox, wasn't BWilkins sitting at the table with us in DC? Do you think maybe he was pissed cause you ran off with those three Swedish chicks who knew men only from books? Drmies (talk) 23:16, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Do the WP:CIV and WP:NPA policies apply to administrators?

This is a notification that I mentioned your name at the Village Pump --Senra (talk) 14:04, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

I fully accept that I may not be welcome here and I am genuinely sorry that I used your recent outburst as an example. It was sincerely not meant to be a personal attack as some have stated. If I had looked, I am sure I could have found similar examples from others. However, on the basis of this (point 3) and your subsequent reply, would you be willing to request a reversal of the revision deletion to place it back on the record? --Senra (talk) 17:11, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

It seems like everyone knows what it said by now regardless. I'm not really in the mood to trouble the arbs about this but for the record it was User:Risker who did the revdel, If you want it undone that would be who you need to talk to. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:48, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you --Senra (talk) 18:03, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

An award for you!

	The Wikipedia "Tell it like it is" award
	For the inherent lack of ambiguity and the ability to clearly communicate a point to another user as seen in User:Beeblebrox/fuck off. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:28, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

While I get that a lot of people appreciate Beeblebrox's bluntness, I have to ask - Ritchie (and Beeb, I guess) - do you really intend to communicate here that what it "is" is that Kosh is literally a fascist idiot? Because that's what Beeblebrox said - he didn't stop at "fuck off"; rather, he called Kosh a very insulting thing as well. I just want to make sure you guys are aware that while "tell it like it is" might make sense for "fuck off" (which is basically a blunt, impolite "go away", not any character aspersion), it certainly doesn't for "fascist idiot" unless you're really arguing that that's what the other person is. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 15:26, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

It's more a comment that I find that Beeb's user essay tickles my sense of humour. 'Tis all. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 15:44, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks fot the award, and see my comments two sections up for what I hope is my final statement on this incident. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:45, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

block log barnstar

A bit late but fully qualifying - congratulations and thank you for your lengthy contributions

		The block log Barnstar
		(award details) - I would like to use this opportunity to thank User:Beeblebrox for his/her fine contributions to wikipedia over the years and welcome him or her to the contributors that got a little heated club and allegedly made a heightened comment or that caring extra revert. Many thanks for all your work here. Respect and best wishes to you from Youreallycan 01:04, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

User:DileepKS69

Hi - I'd also been concerned about the phrase "except as a regular user", but took this to mean "as a reader", rather than for editing purposes. I was going to refer this to AN tonight, as it seems that some of the suspected socks may be meat-puppets instead (not that that's any better), but if the user agrees not to meat-puppet either, I think there may be grounds for an unblock here. Indef does not necessarily mean life. What do you think?  An optimist on the run! 17:39, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Hmm, i suppose that could be what they meant. Review too many unblock requests and it can make you a little overly suspiscious. Beeblebrox (talk) 21:56, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

I've raised a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Unblock request of User:DileepKS69.  An optimist on the run! 22:36, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

DragoLink08: ANI discussion regarding requested range blocks

Beeblebrox, Cuchullain and I have filed ANI reports regarding User:DragoLink08's continued disruptive editing and sock-puppetry. I have also requested appropriate range blocks for the University of South Florida IP addresses that have provided him with an escape hatch for three years. Your input is requested. Dirtlawyer1 (talk)

Formatting issue

Nothing at all urgent here, if there are others looking for help with real issues please help them first. This is the sort of thing for which I have no talent. On my user page, I have my admin stats posted as well as a "five pillars" sidebar. I am wanting to put them in the same section, with the admin stats on the left and the pillars on the right. I've previewed several possible ways to do this and none of them seem to work. Need a format/coding expert to sort it out. Thanks. Beeblebrox (talk) 22:32, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

I'll take a look at it and see what I can do. While I'm doing it; want me to remove that table of contents? Seems a bit useless. m.o.p 22:53, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Agreed, that would be great. Thanks! Beeblebrox (talk) 22:55, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Alright, done. Open to fine-tuning if you'd like, just say the word! m.o.p 22:59, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

It seems like switching the order of the templates ({{adminstats|Beeblebrox}}{{User:Dr Santa/5pillars}} → {{User:Dr Santa/5pillars}}{{adminstats|Beeblebrox}}) would work too if that was not what you had in mind. HueSatLum 23:07, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

That almost got it, I tweaked it one more time and now it looks more or less like what I was wanting (what do you know, OI do know something about formatting) Thanks guys!. Beeblebrox (talk) 23:17, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

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Hehe

Well, you got closer, but you're not quite there yet. It should be "summarily". MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 21:54, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

doh. I love my iPad for most things, but I swear the spellchecker changes its own settings once in a while or just decides it doesn't want to work sometimes. Beeblebrox (talk) 23:16, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Any point in mentioning WP:IAR in your excellent 'Fuck off' essay?

I've just read your excellent User:Beeblebrox/fuck off. I was wondering would there be any point in you adding for the benefit of the somewhat pedantic that your behavior is fully in accordance with both the letter and the spirit of Wikipedia rules, specifically WP:IAR? Tlhslobus (talk) 00:02, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

I'll think about it, but it seems to me that most people either completely agree with it or think I am an ogre for saying it is ever appropriate to use a bad word. I'm not sure policy based arguments will do any good in changing that perspective. Beeblebrox (talk) 00:40, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Having now read quite a bit of the row at village pump (before eventually getting bored with it), it seems to me that a lot of people there simply take it for granted that both 'Fuck off' and your essay are violations of all sorts of rules (but mainly WP:CIV), whereas they seem to me at least arguably to be well within the scope of WP:IAR, which nobody there mentions. So, quite likely due to my ignorance, inexperience, and general foolishness, I thought it might be useful to point it out (get your retaliation in first, as Welsh rugby coaches allegedly advise). But as you understand these things a great deal better than I do, I would strongly advise against giving any weight whatsoever to anything I say :) All the best. Tlhslobus (talk) 02:46, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Bad words are fine (albeit sometimes slightly uncivil) unless they're directed at or are used as a descriptor for another editor (✉→BWilkins←✎) 16:47, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

I fully agree, context is very important, as I unfortunately recently provided a bad example of myself. But there seem to be many here who take a more simplistic approach, feeling that any use of a "bad word" anywhere, ever, is automatically unacceptable. Oddly, I have even seen those who argue that this is a workplace and we should talk as if we are in a workplace. I have been part of the workforce for about 25 years and have worked in a wide variety of jobs, from construction to restaraunts to the cenus beureau to libraries, and have never once found myself in a workplace where four letter words were forbidden and never used in any context.

As a matter of fact the "fuck off" essay is modeled after how many, including myself, who work in the service sector deal with problematic customers who need to leave. You never start with "fuck off" but if "hey buddy you need to leave" doesn't get the job done you might have to go therre. A few years ago I had a recurring problem with a group who called themselves "the wrecking crew". They were a small group of drunks who sometimes used our service. They caused too many problems and we had to throw them out, but they were soooo drunk all the time that they kept forgetting they had been thrown out. Some new person would not know them and would not know not to provide services to them, and I would find out and have to kick them out again. Eventually it got to the point where I was openly cursing and swearing at them on sight, and after doing that about three times, they finally understood that they really were kicked out, it wasn't just for the night or until they sobered up because they never did sober up, and I was not going to just wink at it if they behaved, which they never did either. Would i have rather not felt compelled to handle it that way? Of course. If they had just left the first time they got kicked out there may have been some chance that if they ever got their collective act together they would be welcome again, but coming back in again and again after they had been thrown out blew any chance of that.

Ok, I've gone on longer than I intended but there it is. I feel that refusing to leave someone else's space when asked to do so is one of the rudest things a person can do and not worthy of the politeness we all usually exhibit. The person doing that is declaring their lack of respect for you by refuisng to leave. I know, it's different here, you can just hit "rollback" and be quiet, but I am not inclined to do that in all cases. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:26, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

I've probably used similar words on my own talkpage in similar circumstances B2 ... just usually absent the NPA :-) Trust me, I know it's not black and white, and fully understand the timeline that led to the situation (✉→BWilkins←✎) 17:38, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Discussion on the AFT5 Request for Comment

Hey Just Step Sideways - this is to notify you that there is a discussion starting on the Article Feedback RfC talkpage that has ramifications for the RfC itself. Your input is much appreciated :). Thanks! and apologies if I've missed anyone Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 16:35, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Skyblueshaun

I'll reply at User talk:Skyblueshaun for completeness if that's OK? GiantSnowman 17:19, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

sure. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:22, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Sudsy

And I thought that Lin and I were the only people to have played a launderette! (We had a need to practise some stuff for an approaching gig and she had need of a launderette as well, so we played in the launderette. And got invited back by the owner, as so many people had come in and then gone quickly to bring their washing... (This was in Liverpool, either Aigburth or Toxteth.) You gotta save that article. Peridon (talk) 23:53, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Update

Shouldn't Help:CentralAuth be updated. On the picture that includes all of Wikimedia's Projects does not include WikiVoyage and it needs to be updated. Thanks User:Superdadsuper —Preceding undated comment added 01:49, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

Uh, yeah, I guess so, but I'm not sure why you thought I would be the person to talk to about it. Actually WMF logos are kind of a special case as they are copyrighted but obviously intended to be used on WMF sites. I think the foundation would need to at least approve any updated version of the image and creating such an image is not really my area of expertise. So I guess I would suggest contacting the WP:IMAGELAB for help with creating it. I would guess that User:Philippe (WMF) would know who to talk to about whatever restrictions there might be. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:43, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

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The Dubro guy

You think it's severe enough to just go straight to UFAA?

My personal vibe is that he's really this guy - a bad mob editor who likes to make grandiose claims. --Lenin and McCarthy | (Complain here) 19:39, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

WP:REALNAME says that such users will sometimes be blocked until they prove their identity by email, so it is a bit of a grey area. If they were vandalizing or something like that I think we would go for the block, but in this case I think asking them to contact info-en@wikimedia.org to discuss it with the volunteer team that deals with this sort of thing might be the best move. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:45, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Wait, hold on, I'm obviously not paying attention here. If you think the issue is sockpuppetry I would say file an WP:SPI. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:48, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Given that concern I have gone ahead and blocked. If they are not really him they should not be able to convince the OTRS team that they are, but a sock investigation is still not a bad idea, a WP:CHECKUSER might uncover some "sleeper" accounts. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:53, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Seward Highway to Glenn Highway Connection

The "Highway 2 Highway" study process which began around 2005 or 2006 is officially dead by this point. It owed a lot of its existence to Mark Begich, and to a lesser extent on the notion that work would begin anytime soon on the Knik Arm Bridge. I haven't looked up what Dan Sullivan has said or not said on the subject, but clearly there was no desire on his part to continue pursuing it to the extent Begich did. To complicate matters further, this is another topic which won't be covered properly until someone is willing to dig up historical material (pre Highway 2 Highway process) buried in the shelves of the UAA or Loussac libraries. I haven't had a whole lot of time for the library lately, so I don't know what I could find locally. RadioKAOS  – Talk to me, Billy 20:52, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

Aww, and just this morning I passed up the chance for a "there and right back in the same day" trip to Anchorage." Then again that doesn't sound like an expedition that would have left me much time to explore a library anyway. This strikes me a s a great but expensive idea, the kind of thing that used to get done fairly easily in Alaska, but times have changed... I don't know if you listen to APRN much but I have noticed lately that the "Knik Arm Bridge and Toll Authority" is doing the bulk of the underwriting for Alaska News Nightly, with nearly every break on the show featuring one of their promo spots (or whatever euphemism the public radio folks use for ads) talking about the Knik Arm Bridge as if it is right on track and will be built any minute now. Beeblebrox (talk) 22:22, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

The Milepost has recognized Tudor and Muldoon Roads as a bypass route for decades. I didn't check as to exactly how far back. However, I have come across an old plan (1961, to be exact) calling for a freeway connection paralleling that route. This was before anything was built out that way, apart from a few homesteads and small residential subdivisions. I also didn't check for how long this option was considered viable, but this was several years before the Totem Theatre was built, which itself was several years before Pete Zamarello began his real estate development career on the other end of Muldoon. Once East Anchorage started building up, most of the plans concocted in the years before Highway 2 Highway called for the freeway to cut through the Chester Creek greenbelt and/or Merrill Field. With the prevailing attitudes, I'm surprised that no one has thought of revisiting that. They don't appear to have a problem with eradicating wooded areas because someone had the temerity to live in a tent rather than let a social worker live off of them, so what would be the big deal with a freeway?

I haven't listened too much to public radio lately. We don't necessarily have more of a choice in radio in Fairbanks, just more stations (three broadcasting companies run all the commercial stations, and they try to duplicate each other's formats as much as they possibly can). As for your "choices", is KGTL still the Frank Sinatra station? I'm guessing that KBBI has a bigger community impact, as well as carries more APRN programming than what we get here. I haven't heard any deluge of KABATA underwriting, but I wouldn't be surprised. The corporatization of public radio continues to be a source of complaint, with the management of APRN cited as the chief culprit. RadioKAOS  – Talk to me, Billy 23:08, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

Your revert of my edit at Wikipedia:Deletion policy

Please clarify for me the reasons why you believe that the essay Wikipedia:Deletion by redirection represents an "extreme minority opinion." Nothing there seems that extreme to me, but maybe I'm missing something. To give you some more background and perspective on what I'm driving at, look at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Warren (Porridge). Thanks, Wbm1058 (talk) 21:51, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

The word "extreme" in this context is intended as a modifier of the word "minority" not the word "opinion". In other words, I do not believe this essay is representative of the mainstream of Wikipedia users and therefore should not be linked to within the actual text of a policy as if it were reflective of the broader community's view of the purpose and appropriate use of redirecting. I could see adding a link in a "see also" section or a navbox or something, but not within the actual text of the policy. Beeblebrox (talk) 22:14, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

Trout

Please watch your <noinclude>s, like this one so you don't nominate ~160 others' userpages for deletion also. Thanks, -- DQ (ʞlɐʇ) 05:33, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Howzat? I've never added no include tags when MFDing and it's never been a problem before. Beeblebrox (talk) 06:06, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

You should use noinclude when tagging any page that gets transcluded or substituted, for any kind of deletion, etc. Especially if it's substituted, or else someone has to clean up after the mess... — This, that and the other (talk) 11:35, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

WP is funny that way. I've been contributing for about six years and never run into this problem before. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:34, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Deletion

Hello there Can we nominate an article for fast deletion or proposed deletion which was proposed for deleting 2 years ago because of None-Notable and low quality and did not deleted because of the result of a voting? Specially if the creator couldn't add more reliable sources or reasons for Notablitiy. --Machinhead666 (talk) 11:30, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

• If it has already been through a deletion discussion that is pretty much the only option for re-nominating it for deletion. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:02, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

• • What do you think about an article like this. It was nominated for deleteion in January 2011. After more than 2 years still the creator of the page couldn't add any sources to prove notability of this band, even the record label which was mentioned does not exist. --Machinhead666 (talk) 18:15, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

I assume the reason you are bringing this to me is that I closed the previous deletion discussion. If you are considering re-nominating it I would suggest you carefully read that discussion and be sure that you really can't find significant coverage in reliable sources regarding this band. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:31, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Exactly, I just want to make sure that I'm doing right things. Machinhead666 (talk) 20:43, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Rhode Island Red.2

Not that I object too strenuously, but why did you end the discussion of the above RFC? Sincerely, GeorgeLouis (talk) 06:13, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

I was reviewing requests for closure at WP:ANRFC. Most user RFCs are open for about thirty days.This one had been open for for nearly three months and did not appear to be making any forward progress. Beeblebrox (talk) 16:49, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

OK. Actually, progress was made. RIR toned down considerably for a time but recently has started to be disruptive again. His remarks in the Edit Summaries are much improved. I think you can consider this RFC as a success in that RIR is aware of his problem, so I think the system did work here. Thanks for your attention to this matter. GeorgeLouis (talk) 16:59, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

I beg to differ -- the apparent conclusion is that no progress was made. The litigious exercise was a complete waste of a considerable amount of my time. Incivility was never the primary problem on the article (it was -- and still is[8] -- tendentious editing and POV pushing), and George seems to be missing the larger point expressed in the summary of the RfC's closure. Since before the user conduct RfC was filed, I stated that ArbCom -- with closer scrutiny of all editors involved and a binding resolution -- would be the only remedy. I urge that we go the next step and put and end to this once and for all. Rhode Island Red (talk) 00:04, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

WP:WMFN

And then the picture explaining my point is at your user talk page... I can't help but discuss something I think will become important to helping Wikipedia improve. I hope you can forgive me for that. And I desire quality discussion. I hope you can forgive me for that too. Considering the picture you have on your page, might you owe me a better response at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WMF noticeboard? Biosthmors (talk) 17:05, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

I was just trying to help you understasnd that you are accomplishing nothing except to annoy other users and malke a spectacle of yourself. I hope you can forgive me for that. See, i can pull the humble pie act too. Your "aw shucks" affectations do not change the fact that you are badgering anyone who does not agree with you. I don't see how my comment was any worse than the one that preceeded it, which suggested that the user making the comment was too stupid to understand what the purpose of this new board is. Or for that matter, your comments to me where you attempted to put words in my mouth. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:22, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

I do understand I risk looking like I'm badgering others. I understood that before I was commenting, but your reminder helps emphasize it more. Thanks. I think you could have had a more civil way of saying it (and wouldn't my talk page have been the better place?), though. I'm sure Philosopher is not stupid. But thanks for noting your impression, because I don't want others to think I'm implying others are stupid (and I didn't understand how you thought I could possibly be attacking). I also don't understand how I attempted to put words in your mouth, in your impression. If you want to explain I'd be happy to reply here. Anyhow, best wishes. Biosthmors (talk) 18:10, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

A towel

	Towel
	For all your hard work on Wikipedia. You really know where your towel is! öBrambleberry of RiverClan 21:25, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! Beeblebrox (talk) 22:10, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

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