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Errors in the summary of the featured article

Please do not remove this invisible timestamp. See WT:ERRORS and WP:SUBSCRIBE. - Dank (push to talk) 01:24, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Tomorrow's FA

• When she became its leader, she evaded capture by the authorities making her a heroine for the Other Backward Classes.

Missing a second comma after "authorities." As it is, it reads like the authorities made her a heroine, and that was what allowed her to evade capture. -Elmer Clark (talk) 02:45, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

@Gog the Mild, do you concur? Seems a sensible change to make. Schwede66 05:54, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

The comma was deliberately omitted and to my eye - and school of commaisation - it reads better without it, but it is not an issue which greatly concerns me either way. Gog the Mild (talk) 09:52, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

In U.S. Eng., comma after "authorities" would be de rigueur. -- Sca (talk) 12:26, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Not in BrEng, and many of the Commonwealth variants. No idea specifically on IndEng, though. - SchroCat (talk) 12:28, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Interesting to learn this is an ENGVAR issue, I was not aware of that. But I would still push hard for this (or at least some) change. My first reading of that line was that this woman had had some kind of under-the-table understanding with the authorities where they let her remain free and propped her up as a figurehead leader among the Other Backward Classes in exchange for her keeping the rabble-rousing to a minimum or something. That kind of ambiguity is a way bigger concern than ENGVAR issues - and to an American reader it isn't even a case of ambiguity, the comma-free version can only be "correctly" read the way I read it.

So I propose the following: if it's not explicitly wrong to include the comma in Commonwealth English, it should be added per (frankly a pretty extreme case of) Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Opportunities_for_commonality. If that is explicitly wrong in Commonwealth English, then reword to "When she became its leader, she evaded capture by the authorities, which made her a heroine for the Other Backward Classes." Or if that second comma is also wrong in British English, then I suggest "When she became its leader, she became a heroine for the Other Backward Classes by evading capture by the authorities." -Elmer Clark (talk) 14:46, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Personally I wouldn't add a comma where you have in either of your two final suggested alternatives either. BrEng doesn't automatically add them after the introductory part of a sentence. - SchroCat (talk) 15:05, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Errors in "Did you know ..."

Current DYK

2025 Philippine general election

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• ... that the 2025 Philippine general election is set to be the first to be held under a new voting system provider after the previous one was disqualified over bribery allegations?

Item on 2025 Philippine general election: please hyphenate to read "voting-system provider". JMCHutchinson (talk) 07:04, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

This seems to be a blatant violation of WP:CRYSTAL and WP:DYKHOOK – "a definite fact that is unlikely to change". If the previous one was disqualified then we can't be sure that this planned one will happen. Events in Bangladesh and elsewhere demonstrate that these things don't always go to plan. And there seems to be considerable cause for concern about the proposed new provider with many problems and allegations about the selection process. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:30, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Hannibal von Degenfeld

• "... that Hannibal von Degenfeld (pictured) played the leading role in establishing the Bavarian Army in 1682, before leading it to the Battle of Vienna a year later?" too many "leading"s. suggest "played a crucial role in...", which avoids the repetition and reflects the language of the target article. DuncanHill (talk) 12:42, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Next-but-one DYK

• "... that New York Mets executive Jay Horwitz did not reveal that he had a glass eye until he was in his 70s?" - revealed to whom? His eye was removed in sixth grade, so presumably his parents knew, as well as whoever sold him the glass eye, and any optician giving him an eye test over the years. DuncanHill (talk) 12:51, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

  Thanks for the report. I've added "publicly" to the hook. RoySmith (talk) 13:57, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Errors in "On this day"

Today's OTD

• In the section for 1944, the link for Bambi is Bambi (i.e. the film) not Bambi (character). Aydoh8^[contribs] 01:47, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

•  Fixed the link. Schwede66 02:45, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

• Maybe clarify that link change? Per the Smokey Bear article, it was specifically the Disney Bambi ("Walt Disney allowed his characters to appear") rather than the original character from Salten's novel. Perhaps clarify by changing "mascot to replace Bambi" to 'mascot to replace Disney's Bambi.'... or... change Bambi link to section 'Bambi (1942)'? JennyOz (talk) 05:18, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

• 1974 – Nixon — Don't mean to quibble, but perhaps it really should say "the only president of the United States to resign," not "the first president," etc. – Sca (talk) 13:43, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Tomorrow's OTD

• 1904 Battle of the Yellow Sea - the sentence that has "naval history's first major confrontation" is not sourced. It may be in sources of next para but I can't access Forczyk and a search gives ambiguous results (some say that the following year's Battle of Tsushima was the first).

Instead of pulling, we could change the item to something else from article that is sourced? JennyOz (talk) 05:22, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

• 2019 Typhoon Lekima - has been superseded as costliest in Chinese history (by Typhoon Doksuri 2023). Also Lekima's article suggests Typhoon Fitow 2013 was costlier.

Swap "made landfall in Zhejiang, China, and went on to become the costliest typhoon in Chinese history." to 'killing 45 people in the province'? JennyOz (talk) 05:22, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

 Done as suggested. Schwede66 05:57, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Errors in the summary of the featured list

Friday's FL

(August 9, today)

Monday's FL

(August 12)

Errors in the summary of the featured picture

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General discussion

Non-English script

Today the lead DYK reads:

... that hōchōdō (庖丁道, the way of the cleaver) is a traditional Japanese culinary art form of filleting a fish or fowl without touching it with one's hands (demonstration pictured)?

Why was the non-English script so important to be presented on the main page? This after all in English Wikipedia, right? §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 04:19, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

Japanophiles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.156.68.21 (talk) 02:55, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

Please post the same argument about the Dutch on ja.wp's FA blurb, then we'll talk. PhnomPencil (talk) 23:57, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Telling a person who asks a question to post the question in Wikipedia in another language is a cheap shot. If you have a reason, give it; if you don't, fix it.--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 02:43, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

What's more curious is why you're so bothered by Japanese script that you felt the need to complain here about it. Seriously? --Samuel Peoples (talk) 02:07, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

The OP's question hasn't been answered. Why is the non-English script there? HiLo48 (talk) 02:11, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Relevant guideline: Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English)#Modified letters

Note that I don't know whether it's been applied properly in this instance. —David Levy 02:46, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure the OP was complaining about 'hōchōdō'. My belief is the main complaint was about '庖丁道'. Nil Einne (talk) 03:37, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Oh, you're probably right. And I'm inclined to agree that its inclusion was superfluous. —David Levy 03:44, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

It is there because it was in the hook that the person who proposed the DYK wrote, and no one objected to it. Prodego ^talk 02:48, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Surely you realise that just leads to another question. Why was it there in the hook? HiLo48 (talk) 03:47, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

A more visually appealing sister projects template

IMO the design used for the sister projects list on Commons, commons:Template:Sisterprojects-en, is more visually appealing than the one used on en.wp today. It nicely wraps the projects under the Wikimedia logo, and de-emphasizes the project descriptions. How would people feel about using the same template here?--Eloquence* 09:45, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Compare with our current Template:Wikipedia's sister projects (permalink).

I agree there is much to be preferred about the Commons version. My only worries would be: (1) color-contrast for the descriptions (does that meet the minimum? #767676 squeezes into AA compliance.), and (2) whether 3x4 or 4x3 is better (I suspect our 3x4 layout is preferable for dynamic sizing). –Quiddity (talk) 07:49, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

It looks nice, but it would be strange to just drop it into our current design (in which we pointedly use one style of heading for dynamic content and one style for static content).

Moving the section back to the bottom of the page might be a viable solution. We swapped its location with that of Wikipedia languages to enable the latter to be any length without pushing down the former, but subsequent consensus has been to minimize the quantity of Wikipedias listed anyway. —David Levy 09:52, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

There are some elements that are an improvement; shorter descriptions and the 4x3 layout. Even better would be a dynamic layout that reduces the number of columns automatically (and lose the table in the process). — Edokter (talk) — 12:28, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

See here for another proposal and some discussion... Although I like the Commons version better... Thanks, Surfer43_¿qué_pasa? 20:33, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

What next?

Two toxic critters on the main page.

Comment not complaint. 80.254.147.68 (talk) 13:01, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Why, three strange hens and four golly birds, of course! And a dropbear in a peach tree. ♫ -- OBSIDIAN†SOUL 13:25, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

'Obscure Wikipedia games' numbers X and X + 1: getting several items in a (slightly obscure topic) on the MP on the same day - and/or a sequence of stories on a theme over several days. 80.254.147.68 (talk) 13:45, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Yes. And after that, five olden things, six donkeys braying, seven sharks a-swimming, and a dropbear in a peach tree! ♪ -- OBSIDIAN†SOUL 14:50, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

... the nine lords a-leaping would be suitable for this version (and possibly 12 doctors hoovering tardily). 80.254.147.68 (talk) 15:50, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

That frog is EVIL! 86.176.211.137 (talk) 20:55, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Easy Jet

How come there is a picture of him in the article but not on the main page. Yugenftf (talk) 00:17, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

It's because the picture is still in copyright, and not published under a free license. We can therefore justify using it on the article about the horse; but not on the main page. Other Wikipedias have slightly different rules; thus for example the German language Wikipedia would not be able to use that image on the article about the horse either. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 00:32, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

See also Wikipedia:FAQ/Main_Page#Why_is_a_Main_Page_section_missing_an_illustrative_image.3F CaptRik (talk) 10:55, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

DYK

Münchsmünster Abbey — Now that's obscure! Sca (talk) 02:37, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Help please

I need to know how to create a Wikipedia page or submit one Bobbybeefburger (talk) 21:02, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Starting an article. However, this is not the right place to ask - see the box at the top of this page about using and contributing to wikipedia. Richerman (talk) 21:13, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Super Mario

Super Mario is the day's showcase. Who cares? Was there no other article to showcase? Just another thing that proves Wikipedia isn't a serious academic source, because the main editors are all teenagers who only care about video games and girls' breasts. Disappointing. Carrots Sucker (talk) 01:09, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

We have plenty of serious topics at TFA, and this is the only video game for December. Looking ahead, we have a plant, Jesus, a football game, an album, a cricket admin, a general, a tank, and a king. We have this article today because editors have put the effort in to write a quality article, and it was chosen to provide topic diversity. Chris857 (talk) 01:17, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Maybe I'm just biased as a former member of the WP:CVG, but why do video game article seem to always catch heat for being TFA? Nothing else generates this kind of controversy. hbdragon88 (talk) 02:24, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Unless I am mistaken the last two or three video game articles that have been on the main page have not gotten these types of complaints. It seems that on the whole the complaints have been going down and it appears that most of the complainers have moved on which I see as a good thing since it was getting old.--174.93.163.194 (talk) 03:32, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Who says that video games are not a serious academic subject? It isn't the subject matter, but rather its treatment, that makes something academic, and the Wikipedia article in question is quite well researched and written, and based on sources that are themselves scrupulous. I'm at a total loss why someone would not want to highlight such an article. And if you think only teenagers play video games, you really haven't been paying attention for the past 20 years. Please consider reliable sources such as this, which shows, among other things, that 1) The average age of video game players is 30, over 1/3 of all video game players is over 36, and less than 1/3 of all video game players is under 18. In fact, 31% of video game players are women over 18, compared to only 19% who are boys 17 and under. People who have grown up with video games keep playing them well into adulthood, and the video game industry now rivals other media (music, film, etc.) in terms of sales, money spent, etc. From the source above, video game sales peaked in 2010 with 16.9 billion dollars in sales. By comparison, music sales in 2009 was 6.9 billion dollars: [1] and in 2010, the movie industry made 10.4 billion dollars: [2]. If you do the math, the video game industry is essential as large as movies and music COMBINED. It simply isn't a niche industry for teenage boys anymore, and it's simply baffling that any person who is paying attention would think so. You should be careful when speaking about subjects you have little knowledge of, because it makes you appear foolish. --Jayron32 04:19, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Not to mention that Super Mario is a major pop cultural icon, familiar even to people who have never picked up a controller. 75.156.68.21 (talk) 07:26, 23 December 2013 (UTC)