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*Major points for brevity, but a single rude remark is the only evidence? Given the usual bile with discussions in nationalism-related areas, this seems downright mild and not really what AE is for. Unless there's more evidence or more context I'd be inclined to close this with warnings all around. <span style="font-family:Courier New;font-size:3">[[User:The Wordsmith|'''The Wordsmith''']]</span><sup>[[User talk:The Wordsmith|Talk to me]]</sup> 14:08, 19 May 2016 (UTC) |
*Major points for brevity, but a single rude remark is the only evidence? Given the usual bile with discussions in nationalism-related areas, this seems downright mild and not really what AE is for. Unless there's more evidence or more context I'd be inclined to close this with warnings all around. <span style="font-family:Courier New;font-size:3">[[User:The Wordsmith|'''The Wordsmith''']]</span><sup>[[User talk:The Wordsmith|Talk to me]]</sup> 14:08, 19 May 2016 (UTC) |
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*{{u|Kingsindian}} probably sums it up best above, so I won't repeat it, but will add that VM's hands are far from clean here. I suggest closing with a simple warning for both parties. [[User:Dennis Brown|<b>Dennis Brown</b>]] - [[User talk:Dennis Brown|<b>2¢</b>]] 16:29, 21 May 2016 (UTC) |
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Abbatai
Abbatai is hereby topic banned from all pages related to Armenia, Azerbaijan, or related ethnic conflicts, broadly interpreted, for 30 days. — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 20:10, 19 May 2016 (UTC) |
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Request concerning Abbatai
The article is placed under 1rr, and Abbatai already made 2 reverts of his edit of April 20th ([3]).
Discussion concerning AbbataiStatements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by AbbataiThe first edit above was not a revert at all. I added the word "separatist" with reference to NKR, previously it was stating NKR Forces in the lead. And this one: 15:17, 1 May 2016 was my first and only revert in which I explained why? on talk page and invited users to discussion. See [5] and [6] Thanks Abbatai 18:53, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
I am amused to see how one revert of me maliciously brought here and there started an anti-Abbatai campaign by pro-Armenian users. @Étienne Dolet if you think my edits were wrong you are welcomed to discuss it on talk page. However you seem you even did not read what I wrote there. What you are doing here is not constructive at all with being very willing to have me blocked. I find what you are doing here quite threatening since simply you accuse me with socking without any IP investigation and calling admins to ban me just because you do not like my edits. Can you please explain what was wrong changing this [7]. The section is "Caucasus" but Central Asian Turkic legions stated there. So it was completely wrong. I added Azerbaijani and Georgian legions along with Armenian legion which were the collaborators from Caucasus. And here [8] instead of picture from Turkistan I added Armenian soldiers which were native to Caucasus. Next time please read carefully what you are reporting. I hope you have basic geography knowledge that Turkistan is not in Caucasus. Thanks Abbatai 22:51, 17 May 2016 (UTC) Finally @Étienne Dolet seems s/he has an obsession with me. Trying to dilute the topic and extend this thread by several baseless accusations [9] [10] and reverts[11] [12]. I demand closure of the case because as I explained above I feel threatened by him or her bringing unrelated things here and accuse me every means possible. Abbatai 00:44, 18 May 2016 (UTC) Clearly as @Étienne Dolet could not support his latest groundless accusation S/he came with something that happened earlier. Just wondering how long this will last. Abbatai 01:16, 18 May 2016 (UTC) Statement by OptimusViewAbbatai still continues editwarring as an IP [13]. OptimusView (talk) 07:43, 11 May 2016 (UTC) Statement by EtienneDoletI'm also concerned about the socking. In addition to the IP OptimusView has aforementioned, I ran into a similar case at the Defense of Van (1915). Abbatai apparently lives in Istanbul. An IP out of Istanbul, similar to the one OptimusView has shown, reverted on Abbatai's behalf (IP edit and Abattai's edit). This also appears to be the case at Drastamat Kanayan ([14] and [15]) and also at Persecution of Ottoman Muslims ([16] and [17]). Étienne Dolet (talk) 20:49, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
Result concerning Abbatai
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Miles Creagh
Closing without action. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 22:51, 20 May 2016 (UTC) |
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Miles Creagh
Editor is involved in a dispute about the official status of the Flag of Northern Ireland and if it is used to represent Northern Ireland or if the Union Flag is used, the article has seen a slow edit war which while not breaching the 1RR restriction it certainly stretching it waiting just long enough so as to avoid sanctions. As can be seen in the diffs the editor removed that flag was not official and then removed that the Union Flag is the only flag used officially in Northern Ireland. I asked the editor to self revert to avoid this process but they refused here and said they will wait till after this request is completed in some way to negate this request. The whole crux of the dispute as I said is that Ulster Banner has no official status and that the Union Flag is the only official flag and mentions of both of these things where removed by Miles, a compromise was agreed which was the addition of a sentence proposed by User:Eckerslike the edit was made and then Miles removed more thus ending the proposed compromise. I wont be surprised if one of the dormant accounts come along and revert I already asked for admin assistance on the page looks like a sock farm because if it looks like a duck...
Discussion concerning Miles CreaghStatements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by Miles CreaghIt's too bad that Mo ainm didn't just provide me the diffs when I asked him repeatedly to do so on my talk page[22]. Now I know what he's talking about! I would argue that the second diff he provides is not in fact a revert, as it removes no content whatsoever from the article. Eckerslike had just inserted this [23] new sentence that we had all three of us (Mo ainm, Eckerslike and myself) discussed and agreed on here[24], as part of a good-faith effort to move a long-running dispute on a difficult topic towards a balanced conclusion. The new sentence Eckerslike inserted as agreed at the start of the second paragraph of the lead was "There has been no flag in use by the government for the purpose of representing Northern Ireland since 1973". The existing first sentence of the second paragraph, which became the second sentence after Eckerslike's insertion read "During official events, the British government uses the Union flag which is the official flag of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and is the only flag used by the government in Northern Ireland." (My emphases). What Mo ainm is now claiming is a revert that removes content, is not a revert as it doesn't remove any content. In fact, it is me removing a repetitive redundancy from the paragraph, as the very content and concept it conveys had just been given greater prominence, per the discussion on talk, by the addition of a new first sentence to the paragraph conveying the exact same information. I would argue that the relevant diffs in this case, that demonstrate no content was removed, but was switched around pursuant to a discussion are these [25]. That said, Mo ainm clearly feels there has been a revert here, and now he has indicated what he meant, so I will now self-revert in the interests of reducing tensions and furthering the on-going attempt to resolve this dispute. Done [26] Miles Creagh (talk) 21:52, 12 May 2016 (UTC) Statement by (username)Result concerning Miles Creagh
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AE sanction appeal regarding a 3 way topic ban between MarkBernstein, Thargor Orlando and DHeyward
The three-way mutual interaction bans between MarkBernstein, Thargor Orlando and DHeyward are hereby lifted. — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 20:44, 19 May 2016 (UTC) |
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This topic ban originated from an ARCA, and three AE requests regarding GamerGate. It was poorly thought out (i.e. ThargorOrlando and I never had a dispute, rather we noted personal attacks by MarkBernstein. MarkBernstein viewed our ARCA and AE requests as personal attacks. Gamaliel imposed a 3-way topic ban with the apparent attempt to limit requests for sanction. Despite the wording, ThargorOrlandao and I never had a disagreement. Rather MarkBernstein was repeatedly brought to AE and Gamaliel sought to stop it. It's clear this topic ban did not stem the flood and MarkBernstein has since been topic banned. I have no interest in replying to direct and personal inquiries by MarkBernstein. Since then, despite numerous AE requests to sanction MarkBernstein by others, Gamaliel has insisted that his topic ban didn't apply. Yet he jumped in and rev-del'd a comment I made and supported a block when MarkBernstein complained. The Admins at AN disagreed strongly, undid the oversight and the block and chastised Gamaliel for bein too close to the topic. The latest interpretation by email is even more confusing as it now allows comment at drama boards which I believed to be off-limits. This is a long history so I will provide diffs on request. My desire is to lift the ill-concieved topic ban. He can make as many comments as he likes about me. Diffs on request. -DHeyward (talk) 05:23, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
@Liz: The restriction on filing AE or any other kind of request was lifted in November 2015. I've not filed anything regarding MarkBernstein. I've not commented either on the many times MarkBernstein has been brought here by other parties except above when he received email reinterpretation. Considering I've been able to file requests for 6 months and haven't even commented shows both an iban or tban is unnecessary. In addition it did not slow down the AE requests filed against MarkBernstein so whatever its intent, it did not happen. MarkBernstein is now topic banned from GamerGate so I see no overlap at all. I believe I have only filed 1 AE request (it's a good read) regarding MarkBernstein and that was met with Gamaliel's topic ban well over a year ago when MarkBernstein filed a retaliatory request (one against Thargor Orlando and one against me). You can read the diffs above and the sanctions log to see that it was modified in November. Also, do you still consider yourself involved in GamerGate related matters per your RfA? If so, can you kindly move your statement to the statement section? --20:11, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
@Dennis Brown: to clarify, it was a Topic Ban so that we could all contribute and discuss article edits. Both MarkBernstein and I can edit any article, discuss any content with each other, comment on any proposal, etc. I am Topic Banned from the topic of MarkBernstein, though, but with the exceptions (noted in the log and email in MarkBernstein section above) there doesn't seem to much of even a Topic Ban anymore and it is difficult to parse where the line is. It would be incorrect to change to an Iban as there never has been an interaction restriction, nor does there need to be. --DHeyward (talk) 15:15, 15 May 2016 (UTC) @Liz: See above, it is a Topic Ban. MarkBernstein and I can interact on any article or talk page we like. Second, the section you commented in is for "uninvolved admins". Feel free to move your comments to the regular statement area. If you cannot take administrative action because of involvement, your statement/opinion is in the wrong area as you are not "uninvolved". --DHeyward (talk) 15:20, 15 May 2016 (UTC) Statement by Only in DeathEither convert the IB to a standard 2-way interaction ban between DHeyward and MarkBernstein (As DHeyward says, he and Thargor have not had conflict that justified it) or lift it altogether. As it stands its clearly been crafted and amended by Gamaliel to favour MarkBernstein as much as possible. The 'commenting at drama boards' stuff MB thinks is valid is completely voiding the point of an IB. Which is to prevent editors interacting at all. As it stands there is also a good case for lifting it entirely - as MB has been topic banned from GamerGate, and that was the only locus of dispute - it is unlikely to rear its head again. Only in death does duty end (talk) 07:50, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
Statement by Ryk72Whatever the intentions behind these topic bans, it is clear that they have long outlived any usefulness they might once have had. I should not wish to dwell on the unfortunate genesis of these topic bans in two WP:POINTy noticeboard filings, but do consider that if we have now reached the point where that same editor "complies" with the topic ban by talking not about another editor but about their dog,[30][31] and is encouraged in such "compliance" by the sanctioning admin,[32] it might be time to remove these sanctions.
Statement by Starke HathawayIn my opinion this sanction ought to either be lifted or converted into a mutual interaction ban, which is easier to understand and enforce. Note to The Wordsmith: Thargor Orlando's last edit was in December 2015, so I think waiting for him to respond here may not work out. -Starke Hathaway (talk) 14:13, 13 May 2016 (UTC) Statement by MarkBernsteinIs there an urgent reason to deal with this now now now? (What reason might that be?)
So, I have no need just now to talk about DHeyward or Orlando on-wiki. I’m not doing anything on-wiki that DHeyward or Orlando would want to discuss, or could properly discuss even if they thought discussing it would be really swell. We have a complex and volatile situation with potentially serious consequences, involving any number of people and processes. My recommendation would call for a cautious approach. MarkBernstein (talk) 15:37, 13 May 2016 (UTC) @Liz:: No, they won’t be bringing more traffic about MarkBernstein to AE because they don't don't need to. As Ryk72 attentively points out, I may not bring to your attention incontrovertible facts that are directly pertinent to your question, and to the issues discussed above. MarkBernstein (talk) 20:33, 14 May 2016 (UTC) Result concerning Topic Ban Appeal
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Tiptoethrutheminefield
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Request concerning Tiptoethrutheminefield
- User who is submitting this request for enforcement
- Volunteer Marek (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 08:20, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
- User against whom enforcement is requested
- Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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- [35] "Volunteer Marek needs to pack up his own crap and stick to edit warring in subject areas he knows he has a carte blanche permit to edit war in. " <-- self explanatory
- [36] Tiptoethroughtheminefield doubles down on apologetic personal attacks - discussing editors rather than content. "Volunteer Marek is misusing this talk page" - apparently attempting to discuss the issue on talk is now "misusing the talk page". This is clearly WP:BATTLEGROUND and evidence of WP:NOTHERE.
Probably could find more evidence of WP:BATTLEGROUND attitude in the AA2 area but the above should be sufficient.
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I'm not quite sure what EtienneDolet is talking about. Apparently they object to me making edits to this article at all and think this is some kind of conspiracy against *them* despite the fact that this report has nothing to do with them. I made edits to the article because it was in the news, then I remembered about it when Jamala won the Eurovision contest and I followed some links. This appears to be a desperate attempt at deflecting the issue from Tiptoethrutheminefield's problematic behavior. I'll leave EtienneDolet's - who just jumped in to edit war on that article [39] - motives out of it, though it's not hard to guess them. I resent any charges, which are completely baseless and amount to casting WP:ASPERSIONS, that I have "unclean hands" (whatever that is suppose to mean) or that I'm pushing "pro-Azeri POV" which is ridiculous and it only reveals EtienneDolet's own biased WP:BATTLEGROUND attitude.Volunteer Marek (talk) 12:47, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
This isn't the place to discuss content (I have discussed it on talk page - EtienneDolet and Tiptoethroughtheminefield, aside from their personal attack above, have not) but just to make it clear the two paragraphs I removed (I guess that's "mass deletions") are obviously highly POV, and sourced to non-reliable sources like breitbart news, a bunch of primary sources from the involved governments and a few others non-reliable sources. Then a couple actually reliable sources are included to source trivial or irrelevant facts to make it look legit. It's a classic POV pushing tactic.
And yes, like many topic areas which have been placed under discretionary sanctions due to nationalistic WP:BATTLEGROUND this one too has its share of dedicated tag teams.
@User:The_Wordsmith - in the past I've let stuff like this slide. Then it just build up and eventually ended up being a huge mess. And at that point administrators and arbcoms were like "why didn't you bring it to WP:AE earlier?". Well, here I am bringing it to WP:AE earlier. Additionally keep in mind that User:Tiptoethroughtheminefiled has been sanctioned, with good cause, in this topic area.
ADD: another diff to support that Tiptoethroughthebattlefield is just not getting it. A reasonable user, interested in compromise and working towards a neutral article would have at this point struck the offending personal attack and said "ok sorry, I went to far, let's discuss the issue". Unfortunately this is NOT what Tiptoethroughthebattlefield has done, instead they've just flung around more weird accusations.Volunteer Marek (talk) 22:05, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
Finally, after a comment like that *how exactly* are we suppose to have a constructive discussion about the issue at hand? Putting aside for the moment the fact that the comment clearly indicates Tiptoethroughtheminefield is not interested in such, it also shuts down discussion with others. And of course the fact that s/he is not only defending but doubling down on the personal attacks in their comment here only makes it more problematic. Volunteer Marek (talk) 19:10, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
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Discussion concerning Tiptoethrutheminefield
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Statement by Tiptoethrutheminefield
Volunteer Marek drives by an article he has never edited before, in a field he has never (or very rarely) edited before, and starts deleting VERY large quantities of referenced content [41] without prior discussion, content he MUST have known would constitute a contentious deletion. When reverted, he refers to a talk page post he's made in a dead and settled discussion thread (his post is made one month after the last post there [42]), that is half way up the talk page and is about an entirely different subject, to allege that a lack of "consensus" permits all of this deletion, and he deletes it all again [43]. This is a misuse of the talk page (pointing out that misuse and suggesting it should stop is a "personal attack" according to VM). When others point out that the deleted content had numerous sources VM then goes on an I-don't-like-it tirade against all the sources. Without presenting any argument or evidence, he asserts this source is not "reliable", that source is not "reliable", that one too is not "reliable" - all this is referring to well known and well used sources like The Sunday Times, Le Monde, Eurasianet, etc. And he asserts that media sources based in Armenia or Azerbaijan are "primary sources", when they clearly are not. When this is questioned his assertions get even wilder, now the sources are all "junk", are all "crap" [44]. However, the only "crap" I saw on display was in the arguments coming from Volunteer Marek, and I think for me to have reused his use of the word "crap", and asked him to leave with it, is a fair comment to have made under the circumstances. If he wants to return with proper arguments, and present those arguments in a reasonable way, without edit warring, then he is welcome and I will engage with him. No other editor who has worked on the article has advocated such a massive deletion of content, prior discussion about it been mostly about what appropriate wording to use. I suspect the only reason Volunteer Marek came to 2016 Armenian–Azerbaijani clashes is that he was following Étienne Dolet around to cause harassment, after having had several disagreements with that editor on Syrian and Ukrainian and Putin-related articles. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 15:24, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
- Volunteer Marek has also now added a number of bad faith assertions and false assertions. He made three attempts at mass deletion of content on 2016 Armenian–Azerbaijani clashes. Three different editors restored the content - none of those editors was me! My supposed "sanction", 1RR, long expired, was a ludicrous sanction imposed by Sandstein, ludicrous because it was imposed without me having done any reverting (far from making more that one revert a day, I was not even making one revert a week in the article the case concerned). It was imposed simply to match the sanction imposed on another editor who was doing the reverting. This will be on Sandstein's talk page for that time, if someone wishes to dig it up. Of course VM has already dug it up - or has his claim that my sanction was imposed "with good cause" got the same lack of evidence as his "crap" sources claim? I doubt that I have ever done any more than one revert a day on any AA2 article, ever, so I demand he explain why he knows that my 1RR sanction was imposed "with good cause". I should have appealed it at the time, to avoid just this situation - an unscrupulous bullying editor digging up old history to cast unfounded aspersions - but since abiding by the sanction was causing me no difficulty whatsoever and involved no change to my editing, I let it go. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 20:06, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
- Volunteer Marek has now described the entire article as "utter garbage" [45] - is calling the work of numerous editors over several months "utter garbage" acceptable? Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 16:11, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
- Volunteer Marek has also now added a number of bad faith assertions and false assertions. He made three attempts at mass deletion of content on 2016 Armenian–Azerbaijani clashes. Three different editors restored the content - none of those editors was me! My supposed "sanction", 1RR, long expired, was a ludicrous sanction imposed by Sandstein, ludicrous because it was imposed without me having done any reverting (far from making more that one revert a day, I was not even making one revert a week in the article the case concerned). It was imposed simply to match the sanction imposed on another editor who was doing the reverting. This will be on Sandstein's talk page for that time, if someone wishes to dig it up. Of course VM has already dug it up - or has his claim that my sanction was imposed "with good cause" got the same lack of evidence as his "crap" sources claim? I doubt that I have ever done any more than one revert a day on any AA2 article, ever, so I demand he explain why he knows that my 1RR sanction was imposed "with good cause". I should have appealed it at the time, to avoid just this situation - an unscrupulous bullying editor digging up old history to cast unfounded aspersions - but since abiding by the sanction was causing me no difficulty whatsoever and involved no change to my editing, I let it go. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 20:06, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
Statement by EtienneDolet
The filer of this report appears to have unclean hands. Volunteer Marek, who has never edited an AA2 article, only did so to revert an edit of mine after the whole feud at Putin subsided in what seems to be classic WP:HOUND-like behavior. He has been pushing some strange pro-Azeri POV at that article ever since. A month later, Marek gets reverted by me at this article, and responds 10 minutes later by making a massive deletion of material concerning human rights violations against Armenians here. In other words, Marek's two instances of editing at this article was either to revert me or bait me to revert him. Since then, for the past three days, Marek has made 2 reverts ([46][47]) to maintain his deletion of an entire section consisting of 11,000+ characters and 30+ sources/reports while edit-warring over several users in this 1RR article. That's one revert every 24 hours. One can only assume that there's some WP:GAMING going on. As for Tiptoe's comment, I don't know if that is necessarily an AA2 issue in and of itself. Perhaps WP:ANI would be a better venue to handle a single remark like that. As for his editing pattern, I'd say that his edits are rather productive and neutral. He'll go so far as to confront Armenian POV here, Azerbaijani POV here, and Turkish POV there. That's quite a rarity in the AA2 these days. Hence the main reason why I think he's a good asset to the topic area. Étienne Dolet (talk) 10:13, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
Statement by OptimusView
While the article is under 1RR rule, Volunteer Marek already made 3 reverts [48][49][50] during the last 4 days, deleting a whole section with very dubious and disaffected comments. Several users asked him to stop editwarring, but no result. OptimusView (talk) 15:42, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
Comment by My very best wishes
It is wrong that lower civility standards should apply to discussions in nationalism-related areas. To the contrary, higher standards must apply. It is precisely the personal attacks of the kind provided above (and these comments are undoubtely directed at a contributor) that makes editing in such subject areas unbearable. If someone can not edit politely in difficult subject areas, s/he should not edit in such areas. Very simple. My very best wishes (talk) 01:30, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
- Even comments like that ("there's no need to attack [subject of the page] over and over" in response to question "what exactly was wrong in my edit?") is not acceptable on article talk page. Yes, such comments are rather common and should be generally ignored. That is exactly what many people, including VM normally do. However, if someone's patience was exhausted, and the matter was brought to WP:AE, this should be properly addressed, not ignored. My very best wishes (talk) 12:14, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
- @Tiptoe. You said to VM: "stick to edit warring in subject areas he knows he has a carte blanche permit to edit war". What "cart blanche permit" do you mean? I saw you making similar statements on a number of occasions. My very best wishes (talk) 13:49, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
- It is not up to me to teach you Wikipedia's history. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 18:50, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
- No, I do not have a slightest idea why do you think he is protected by admins. I thought he is simply another contributor, just like you or me. Actually, it is exactly the opposite. I saw that VM recently submitted a 3RRNB report about an obvious 3RR violation, and a user he reported continued edit warring during standing 3RR request about him. But that was left without action. I think you should apologize for your comment and never do it again because you can not support your accusations by anything. My very best wishes (talk) 21:15, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
- It is not up to me to teach you Wikipedia's history. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 18:50, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
Comment by Kingsindian
It is almost impossible to avoid this mild level of hostility and language in nationalist areas. I suggest closing with no action. On the content matter, I agree with Volunteer Marek's position - a lot of the content is junk and should be deleted. However, the local consensus is for inclusion. Unfortunately, it can be very hard to get consensus to delete junk in such areas. That's just the way it is. I suggest an RfC to get more people looking at the article. Kingsindian ♝ ♚ 13:04, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
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Result concerning Tiptoethrutheminefield
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- Major points for brevity, but a single rude remark is the only evidence? Given the usual bile with discussions in nationalism-related areas, this seems downright mild and not really what AE is for. Unless there's more evidence or more context I'd be inclined to close this with warnings all around. The WordsmithTalk to me 14:08, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
- Kingsindian probably sums it up best above, so I won't repeat it, but will add that VM's hands are far from clean here. I suggest closing with a simple warning for both parties. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 16:29, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
TripWire
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning TripWire
Just came off a topic ban this year.
I don't see how one can deal with such user after they create such a toxic environment. it's time for a ARBIPA topic ban at the very least. @The WordSmith, If you think I should withdraw this request then I will. However, I have only provided edit diffs from 8 May and as latest as of 2-3 days ago. --ArghyaIndian (talk) 17:04, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
Discussion concerning TripWireStatements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by TripWire
Statement by SheriffIsInTownThe request should be declined as stale. I went through almost all the diffs, i did not find a single diff younger than a week. Also, please take a note that this request might have been inspired by a couple of recent topic bans e.g. User:Towns Hill and User:FreeatlastChitchat. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 16:33, 19 May 2016 (UTC) Statement by TopGunI'm here as I watch TW's talkpage. The report is blatantly frivolous and full of stale diffs. From what I understand, it is an attempt to resolve disputes by removing users from the topic area which is not how wikipedia works. You have to go through the DR process. I also noticed that Arghya was warned just above in another AE report. The fact that he filed this report inspite of that definitely calls for a block of appropriate length that would deter any future hounding of such sort. The offer of withdrawal of this report by the filer seems be looking for a way to avoid WP:BOOMERANG only after he saw it coming where as he was wasting every one's time with lengthy replies in the above AE report(s) and even here till now when he had the WP:ROPE. This kind of behaviour is unacceptable on wikipedia. TripWire, I would really like to note that you dont need to respond with such long statements... admins are generally experienced enough users to get your point if you simply list your arguments (as you finally did in your update statement). I also hope you will avoid discussing the users in future and focus on content instead, unlike those diffs from April (although stale) as I noticed RegentsPark recently applied restrictions to the Kashmir conflict topics for all users, esp. wrt discussion on users. I am also noting this here as a record so that admins can keep a check on editors who bring ethnic claims about other editors in future edits instead of discussing content which is categorically mentioned in the restriction. --lTopGunl (talk) 17:25, 19 May 2016 (UTC) PS. ArghyaIndian blanked the report which I have reverted. If you want to withdraw, please leave a comment... but let the admins deal with whether they have to hat the report or take some action. Blanking does not guarantee that WP:BOOMERANG wont be opted by an admin anyway. --lTopGunl (talk) 17:29, 19 May 2016 (UTC) Statement by (username)Result concerning TripWire
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