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December 2

Another abortion question

Can the following two bits of information be verified? According to here Beginning of human personhood#Fertilization,the beginning it says "The indication of these objects itself seems to indicate that they are aberrations from nature,rather than the norm." And the next bit of info that needs to be verified is that the unique genetic identity of the zygote has been challenged. I'm not able to verify these myself. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Uncle dan is home (talk • contribs) 06:10, 2 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The first statement is probably unverifiable. The truth is that the rate at which non-zygote objects are generated by human sperm-egg interactions is unknown. Estimates have been made, but who knows. You also get to the question of aberration and normal. It is not known why some zygotes do not implant. They may be defective in a way that is not understood. Now, these are actually probably more numerous than viable zygotes, so by a certain definition, the normal outcome of fertilization is spontaneous abortion, and live human infants are the aberration. As to the challenge of the unique genetic identity, it's worded in a clunky fashion, which is part of the problem. No one is challenging that a new zygote statistically almost certainly has a unique genetic profile as compared to its parents or anyone else who has ever existed. That is not being challenged. Rather, the writer of that statement is suggesting that people have challenged that feature as an essence of personhood, on the basis that individual gametes are also genetically unique, but not argued to be people. It would be trivial to produce a reference for the fact that gametes are also almost always genetically unique, but what you want is a reference to someone making an argument that this matters in the context of a personhood/abortion debate. Someguy1221 (talk) 07:40, 2 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Conchita Wurst: "Gehen Sie Wählen!"

Is there an online transcript of the German text for this video message by Conchita Wurst calling on Austrian citizens to vote (again) in their country's presidential election and presenting the significant differences between the two candidates? I'd also appreciate a transcript of the English translation (appearing as subtitles in the clip to which I linked here). This is to expand the Conchita Wurst page here and for WP projects in other languages. -- Deborahjay (talk) 13:04, 2 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There are tools to download Youtube subtitles. Just google 'download youtube subtitles' and pick your favorite. I've never have any need for doing it, so I can not recommend a concrete one. --Llaanngg (talk) 14:50, 2 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The YT clip has both english and german subtitles--click the sprocket (settings) icon to choose which language you want. Both sets of subtitles appear to have been done by humans, unless machine transcription has gotten a heck of a lot better recently. 50.0.136.56 (talk) 22:59, 2 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I checked the German subtitles, and they were most certainly done by a human being, because in addition to hearing the words correctly and using correct spelling, grammar and punctuation, they also prove they understood the content by shortening the text a bit without really changing the message (for example, within the first 20 seconds the subtitles omit the words "dazu" and "in Zukunft", and replace "so viele Menschen als möglich zur Wahl gehen" with "möglichst viele Menschen wählen"). So it's not a verbatim transcript (just like subtitles in movies). ---Sluzzelin talk 23:09, 2 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

European Coups

In post-WW2 Europe, which countries have experienced changes of government via coups / armed rebellions / revolutions, etc.? I think a number of the Eastern European countries rebelled against Communist control, and there have been wars in some of the Balkan countries. I don't think there have been coups or armed rebellions in any of the Western European countries since WW2, but I'm not entirely sure. Dragons flight (talk) 17:13, 2 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Carnation Revolution, a bloodless coup in Portugal in 1974.Loraof (talk) 17:18, 2 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

~~If you count a war of secession, there's the Kosovo War.~~ (Sorry, you already mentioned the Balkans.) Loraof (talk) 17:20, 2 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The coup known as the May 1958 crisis led to the collapse of the French Fourth Republic and the return of Charles de Gaulle with the formation of the current French Fifth Republic. A second coup, by many of the same leaders, also sought to depose de Gaulle three years later (see Algiers putsch of 1961), but it failed. Still, the 1958 coup toppled a Western European government and installed a former military leader. Checks all of the boxes for a successful coup. --Jayron 32 17:29, 2 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

(E/C) We have articles at List of coups d'état and coup attempts by country and List of coups d'état and coup attempts, which is chronological, to help your research. Matt Deres (talk) 17:28, 2 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That's very helpful. Thank you. Dragons flight (talk) 14:04, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There were a couple of military coups in Greece, in 1967 and 1974, and one in Cyprus in 1974. See Greek military junta of 1967–74 and 1974 Cypriot coup d'état. --Xuxl (talk) 21:34, 2 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Spanish transition to democracy (1975) after the death of Franco, involving an attempted coup followed by elections. 50.0.136.56 (talk) 01:10, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Of the revolutions that ended Communism in Europe, only the Romanian Revolution was actually a violent coup of the type you're imagining. Czechoslovakia had the peaceful Velvet Revolution (and Velvet Divorce), the Baltic states had the Singing Revolution, East Germany had the Peaceful Revolution, Poland had Solidarity and first democratic election, and so on. There was an attempted Communist counter-coup in the rump Soviet Union, but that failed and essentially led to the formation of the modern Russian Federation. Smurrayinchester 10:52, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The violence in Lithuania came from the Russians, the BBC reported 13 Lithuanians killed and 140 injured on 13 January 1991 as Soviet troops attempted to retake the state radio station in Vilnius. [1] See January Events (Lithuania). Alansplodge (talk) 13:40, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

ID cards

In the USA, are ID cards issued by a state government considered the property of that state, or the property of the identified person? --M @r ē ino 20:39, 2 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I just looked at my California drivers license and it doesn't say anything about it belonging to the state. But I know that the police will confiscate it if they find you driving around with a suspended or expired one. 50.0.136.56 (talk) 01:13, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

When I first got my driver's license, the Rules of the Road stated that the police taking the license was "in lieu of bail". Driving is a privilege rather than a right, and each state makes its own rules about that document. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 03:48, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

My Virginia license is like California's, and ditto with my Ohio license; when I moved here, I phoned the license bureau back in Ohio to ask if I had to return the driver's license, the license plates, etc., but the deputy registrar told me that I was free to keep them. I'm guessing that the confiscation thing is exactly that — confiscation — and not merely repossessing a piece of state-owned property, but I can't prove that. Nyttend (talk) 03:58, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

December 3

Ruins of the Gambier Islands

I am trying to find a list of the ruins and churches (the names of the churches especially) from the mission era on the Gambier Islands like St. Michael's Cathedral, Rikitea? Rikitea#Landmarks lists some but doesn't go into the details.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 02:43, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I did not locate a decent book. Here is a point to possibly starting from, with some information. French Catholic missionary Père Laval came to the islands in 1834 via Valparaiso and built St. Michael's Cathedral as well as nine other churches and other buildings or compounds. He died in 1880. The link is in French but Google translate can be used with good results. Some other links in French: [2] (a travel blog with photographs), [3], [4], [5]. Air Tahiti knows about [6] "more than one hundred stone buildings" erected between the eighteenth and the nineteenth centuries, counting chalk or backery ovens as well as some workshops etc,. --Askedonty (talk) 19:36, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Travel guides and other sources to the region might also provide some basic information on such churches. Also, at least for churches in those bodies which have a clear organizational structure, like the Roman Catholics, the archives of the local diocese or archdiocese might provide at least information on what churches have existed, their approximate era, and that sort of thing. John Carter (talk) 19:53, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Stories that use the counterfactual that ww2 never happened,or happenned much later

Are there any stories that use the counterfactual of ww2 either never happening at all,or ww2 happening much later?Uncle dan is home (talk) 07:50, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The Red Alert series of games begins with a time traveler assassinating Hitler in 1924. The writers then assume that with such a change, WWII basically still happens, but it's the Allies (including Germany this time) fighting the Soviet Union. Someguy1221 (talk) 07:58, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The Worldwar series has aliens with Desert Storm-era equipment invade Earth during WWII. Rmhermen (talk) 18:48, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

An enormous number. The genre is alternative history. --47.138.163.230 (talk) 23:28, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Century Rain has the invasion of France failing, Hitler being deposed, and the war ending before much of significance happened. Iapetus (talk) 15:24, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

December 4

Whitewings -- street sweepers and duck uniforms

In parts of the US, people employed as street sweepers used to be called "whitewings", apparently because they wore white duck uniforms. Why duck uniforms? Also, does anyone have any photographs of this uniform? I can't seem to find anything relevant in Google Images. Equinox ◑ 01:00, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[7], [8], [9] and more generally [10] --Tagishsimon (talk) 01:12, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I get the impression that 'duck' is a style of jacket --- our Sailor suit alludes to 'White duck jacket, trousers and vest made up the summer uniform'. --Tagishsimon (talk) 01:17, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It's the woven fabric, etymologically not related to the bird, see cotton duck. ---Sluzzelin talk 01:19, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, that article lists uses according to the weight of the fabric: "No. 2 (17 oz): hatch paulins, No 3 (16 oz): heavy-duty bags, No. 4 (15 oz): sea bags, No. 5 (14 oz): heavy work clothes...". It's similar to a kind of heavy white denim. Alansplodge (talk) 10:46, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You can still buy classic white duck trousers in the US, although they seem to be aimed more at the Ivy League than street sweepers. Alansplodge (talk) 11:23, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Aqueduct named after which women?

I'm working on a wikidata project looking at bridges named after women, which has led me to a number of aqueducts bearing women's names (Perhaps the last two are not women's names). The couple I checked did not specify for whom they were neamed. I'd be obliged if anyone could match the aqueduct to a named person - a link to the person's article would help. (or confirm that they're generic female names rather than named for specific women). thanks --Tagishsimon (talk) 02:24, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Most of them are not women's names, but eponymous adjectives taking the feminine form dictated by the feminine noun Aqua. In most cases, the articles you linked give the (male) namesakes, such as Severus Alexander, Appius Claudius Caecus, Claudius, ... ---Sluzzelin talk 02:46, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Bummer. Thanks. --Tagishsimon (talk) 05:47, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewing the individual articles and external sources, there only seem to be one or two that might have been named after women. One is the Aqua Virgo: This page and this page both says it's named after "a girl" who showed people the spring that produced its water. However, this page, on the same site as the last one, also says it might have been "named after a statue of a water goddess... near the source". The other is the Pont d'Aël, whose name I couldn't find anything about the origins of. --76.71.5.45 (talk) 21:12, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Although Aël is the name of the nearby village, according to our article. Alansplodge (talk) 11:32, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Could something named 'Virgo' after a young girl really be said to have been 'named' after her? Virgo (='virgin') refers to her condition of being a child, not to her name. Or am I misunderstanding? Maybe it's just a grey area. Matt Deres (talk) 15:46, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Bridges named after women

I'm working to ensure that Wikidata has data on as many bridges named after women as possible. Right now we're up to 70 or so such bridges according to this query. I am listing, below, bridge names where I'm uncertain as to the women after whom the bridge was named - presuming there is such a women. Any help in identifying the women much appreciated. Please also post details of any bridges not found in the query results, and I'll add them (the display dropdown allows you to turn the map into a table). Eventually I'll put a wikipedia list article together to cover these. thanks --Tagishsimon (talk) 05:47, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

How about:
- Annabrücke
  - Regarding Annabrücke: Judging from the distance of less than one kilometer from this bridge to the Filialkirche Heilige Anna in Saager, the bridge might be named after Saint Anne, but I found no direct reference linking the bridge and the saint. ---Sluzzelin talk 03:39, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Barbara-Rohrbrücke

No clue from the internet but Saint Barbara "is invoked against... all accidents arising from explosions" so very apt for a gas pipeline bridge. Alansplodge (talk) 17:19, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

- Bethany Bridge
- Carolabrücke (Bad Schandau) - Carola of Vasa?

Deutche Fotothek calls it the Königin-Carola-Brücke or "Queen Carola Bridge", so it seems most likely. Alansplodge (talk) 20:46, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

- Lady Wimborne Bridge - Might this be Cornelia Henrietta Maria (née Spencer-Churchill), Lady Wimborne (1847-1927), Wife of 1st Baron Wimborne; daughter of 7th Duke of Marlborough?

Yes, see British Listed Buildings - Lady Wimborne's Bridge . Alansplodge (talk) 16:32, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

- Mariánský most?

"The proximity to the Marian rock gave the name of the new bridge and largely determine its shape". Marian Bridge

But how was the rock named? "Maria" can be a man's name in some European languages. The same comment applies to the other listings with similar forms, unless their actual origin is known. --76.71.5.45 (talk) 21:42, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

- Marienbrücke (Passau)
- Marienbrücke (Wolfratshausen) - is this named after the Maria & Child statue, or is there a person behind the bridge & statue? Are all of the Mariens alluding to the mother of god?

This 1875 document shows that the bridge predates the modernist sculpture, which must represent the dedication of the bridge. Couldn't find anything to confirm that though (BTW, God usually merits capitalisation in Wikipedia). Alansplodge (talk) 17:13, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

- Marienthalbrücke

Marienthal = Mary's valley, so named after the valley which is named (probably) after the mother of Jesus.Tobyc75 (talk) 20:11, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

- Pont de Sant Joan (Cardona) - which Saint Joan?

Sorry, not "Saint Joan" but Sant Joan which is Catalan for "Saint John". Alansplodge (talk) 16:43, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

- Ponte D. Maria

Most likely Dona Maria I of Portugal. "D. Maria" seems to be the accepted Portuguese abbreviation for "Queen Maria". The bridge was probably built a few decades before her reign (nobody really knows) but she was the very first Dona Maria. Alansplodge (talk) 16:51, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

- Queen Elizabeth Bridge. Which one - I or II?

Almost certainly the latter, since it was constructed in 1966. Alansplodge (talk) 10:50, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Or maybe it was after Queen Elizabeth The Queen Mother. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 18:49, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Good point. My opinion is that if it was anybody other than QEII, there would have been some attempt to disambiguate the title. I've had another search of Google hoping to find details of the opening, but no luck. Alansplodge (talk) 20:34, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

- Pont de la Reine Jeanne - Jeanne de Laval (1433-1498) or Jeanne Ire de Naples? Both are in the see-also of the article.

One place I didn't see highlighted on the map when running the wikidata query service you linked to are the bridges in Puerto Madero, such as the Puente de la Mujer, the Puente Peatonal Macacha Güemes, bridges named after Cecilia Grierson, Rosario Vera Peñaloza, ... ---Sluzzelin talk 04:15, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for those. I'm running through a spreadsheet of possibilities I culled from wikidata's 16,000ish bridges ... I'm not up to the Ps, but I would not have recognised any of these as named after women ... I'll make sure they get linked to an appropriate named-after value. All suggestions welcome. The report now stands at 62 long, so progress is being made. --Tagishsimon (talk) 04:26, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

So to clarify / check: Puente de la Mujer (Women's Bridge) is formally named for E. Rawson de Dellepiane - R. Vera Peñaloza - A. Villaflor - M. Güemes - C. Grierson per [11] - do I have that right? --Tagishsimon (talk) 04:36, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't read it as that specific ... some names of streets in Puerto Madero were changed to be named after famous Argentinian women in the 1990s (see for example this La Nación article), but I couldn't find what prompted that. My impression (mainly from English and Spanish WP articles) is that the Puente de la Mujer merely reflects this rare hommage without being limited to the women who gave the other bridges and streets their name. ---Sluzzelin talk 23:37, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

How about the Mary Jane Cain bridge over the Castlereagh River at Coonabarabran, New South Wales?Djbcjk (talk) 04:50, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Djbcjk. I've added it to wikidata - https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q27954391 - can you tell me, is it at 31°16′18″S 149°16′35″E / 31.27161°S 149.27643°E? --Tagishsimon (talk) 05:09, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, they are the coordinates for Coona; whether they're the exact coordinates of the bridge I don't know. Photos, etc, of the bridge, year of commissioning, etc, can be found by googling "mary jane cain" + bridge, and biographical data on MJC can be found on her wiki page. Djbcjk (talk) 11:41, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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There's another Queen Elizabeth II Bridge in Belfast, right next to the Queen's Bridge, named after Queen Victoria. In the Republic of Ireland, there's the Mary McAleese Boyne Valley Bridge in County Meath; and the Anna Livia Bridge (named after a fictional woman from Joyce's Dubliners) and the Rosie Hackett Bridge, both in Dublin. --Nicknack009 (talk) 09:40, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There's the Queen Elizabeth Quay Bridge in Perth, although if you're being pedantic, it's named after the quay which is named after the Queen.

Our Victoria Bridge disambiguation page lists 25 bridges around the world which are directly or indirectly named after Queen Victoria.

And there's St. Mary's Covered Bridge in Pennsylvania. Alansplodge (talk) 11:11, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Also Queen Anne Bridge in Maryland. North Queen Anne Drive Bridge in Seattle is a bit more indirect.

In Curaçao, there is a Queen Juliana Bridge and a Queen Wilhelmina Bridge, not to mention Queen Emma Bridge which is known as the “Swinging Old Lady”. Alansplodge (talk) 14:54, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Queen Margrethe Bridge is in Denmark. There was a Maria Theresia Bridge (Maria-Theresien-Brücke) in Vienna that was replaced in 1931.

In Scotland there is the Princess Margaret Bridge and the much older and much smaller Queen Mary's Bridge at Rothiemay.Also mention of a Queen Margaret Bridge in North Kelvinside. Alansplodge (talk) 15:43, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Finally, there is a Queens Bridge (Melbourne), probably after Queen Victoria who seems to be the all-time champion bridge patroness. Alansplodge (talk) 15:43, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding Bethany Bridge, the USGS topo map shows a Bethany Cemetery near the eastern end of the bridge, which seems to be this place. I assume that the bridge was named for the Bethany Baptist Church that used to be located there (before the construction of the Allatoona Dam) and that the church was named for Bethany (biblical village). No woman involved, apparently. Coincidentally, I just yesterday edited the article Amelia Earhart Memorial Bridge, and I'm curious—did your search hit on that one? Deor (talk) 16:09, 4 December 2016

In France the is a Pont Jeanne-d'Arc at Rouen and another at Melun, and there's Pont Notre-Dame ("Our Lady") in Paris and another in Melun according to List of crossings of the Seine.

In Warsaw there's a Pont Marii Skłodowskiej-Curie (you'd have thought that there'd be one of those in France, but apparently not).

One more: Edith Cavell Bridge in New Zealand. I promise I'll stop now... Alansplodge (talk) 16:18, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Another one in France: there is a fr:Pont Anne-de-Bretagne in Nantes, named after Anne of Brittany. Adam Bishop (talk) 02:50, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks all; some excellent suggestions; I'll add all that are not already in the wikidata report this evening. Deor, yes, Amelia was in the report - it depends on the wikidata item being an instance or subclass of a bridge, and having a 'named after' property which resolves to a human female; both conditions were satisfied in the https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q4742251 record. Sleuths, we still have quite a list of unresolved bridge names at the top of this query; just sayin'. --Tagishsimon (talk) 16:30, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Do only bridges named after actual women count? There is a Venus Bridge [12] in Kobe, Japan named after the mythological Goddess. I suspect one could find other bridges related to mythological figures with a bit of effort, but it is unclear to me if you are interested in those. Dragons flight (talk) 00:10, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ha! Dragons flight promoting articles on mythological subjects. WP:COI much ;). But beyond that, yes, we already have a couple of bridges named for fictional females, and we should be working towards all bridges having an item in wikidata, and that item specifing who or what the bridge is named after. I welcome any suggestions fictional & mythological. Right now the report only deals with human females, but could be tweaked to include all females. --Tagishsimon (talk) 00:27, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Bridges named after Queen Victoria needs filling. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 18:39, 4 December 2016 (UTC).[reply]

Please note that bridges named after women come in 2 flavors:

A bridge whose name is the woman's maiden name (e.g. Bouvier)
A bridge whose name is the woman's married name (e.g. Kennedy)

The latter case is not as interesting as the former when it comes to classifying bridges by the gender of people they were named after because then the bridge is in fact named after a man via his wife. Georgia guy (talk) 23:41, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Don't understand the point you are trying to make. If a bridge is named Hillary Clinton, it's named after the woman called Hillary Clinton. Even if the bridge is simply called Clinton, if the developers have clearly indicated it's named after Hillary Clinton it still makes sense to say it's named after a woman and not bring her husband in to it. Perhaps the developers (or whoever named it) were also thinking of the husband but in the absence of evidence of that, it's best to just go what by whoever named it said.

Given my age and Chinese Malaysian heritage, I've never really personally agreed with the practice of women taking marital names but it's ultimately their choice and once they've done so it becomes their name. It makes no sense to say that calling the bridge by their name always means you're referring to their husband simple because they took their surname from their husband. To give an obvious example, it's fairly unlikely anyone naming something Angela Merkel or even Merkel is thinking of her first husband.

I mean why even limit to the husband? Why not say something named Helen Clark or Clark is named after her father, actually his father, actually.... And this applies to men to. The only thing you have to decide is whether something name Trump is named after the first person to adopt that spelling probably in the 1600s or you should go back further to Drumpf etc. I mean heck, with a number of European naming customs it isn't uncommon for all components of the name to originate from a relative. And many of these originally (although sometimes directly) arise from saints or sometimes other famous people.

Nil Einne (talk) 07:27, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

BTW some women are mostly only well known because of their husband but this doesn't directly relate to their name. For example Rosmah Mansor doesn't share any part of her husband's name. It's possible people may be more likely to name something after a woman mostly only well known because of her husband when she has adopted his surname so it also give connotations of him but that's complicated. In fact your Kennedy example is a good one of this since it shows how it can expand to families since the same could apply to Caroline Kennedy and a number of other male and female Kennedy's who got the name from their father.

Nil Einne (talk) 07:43, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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I found during extensive Googling that it's known locally as the "Elizabeth Bridge" as there is a nearby Victoria Bridge at Datchet constructed during Queen Victoria's reign. Note that Queen Elizabeth The Queen Mother was never called "Queen Elizabeth" in the UK during her daughter's reign; if there was any shortening, it was to "Queen Mother" not "Queen Elizabeth" for obvious reasons. I was unable to find out who opened it in 1966, but QEII only lives down the road. Alansplodge (talk) 11:18, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Lady's Bridge in Sheffield (named after the Virgin Mary)? Warofdreams talk 00:00, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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THanks; I've added Sheffield's Lady Bridge. I wonder about Harewood's Lady Bridge - can't immediately find naming info. --Tagishsimon (talk) 17:26, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Names of North America

The other day, I was reading an article about a (probably non-notable) eccentric, who (among his other eccentricities) describes North America as "Atlan, Amexem, Turtle Island, Land of Frogs". We have an article on Turtle Island. Atlan is a dab page, with nothing obvious linking from it, but I think it's safe to assume the name is connected to Atlantis. Amexem redirects to Pangaea, but there's no mention of the word in that article - what is the term's meaning and origin? An explanation in the Pangaea article might be useful, if one can be found. Similarly, is "Land of Frogs" a translation or other rendition of a traditional name for the continent? The other three terms seem fairly legitimate, after all. Tevildo (talk) 10:00, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This may be of interest - https://www.bennettjones.com/Publications/Updates/Alberta_Court_Skewers_Gibberish_Legal_Arguments Wymspen (talk) 13:24, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This is indeed the gentleman in question - I was wondering about the origin of his names for the continent. I believe they may be associated with Nation of Islam#Cosmology, but that article doesn't go into details either. Tevildo (talk) 14:28, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The term Amexem seems to first appear in a 1927 book called Circle Seven Koran where it refers to a transatlantic country centred on Moorish Africa and including Africa, Atlantis and the Americas. reference, scroll to page 23. The book was written by an American, born Timothy Drew in 1886, who called himself Noble Drew Ali. [same reference, page 15]. For more, see Moorish Science Temple of America. 184.147.120.192 (talk) 16:55, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! A very interesting reference, although I'm reluctant to make any changes to the Moorish Science page as it seems to be a rather controversial subject. It's probably a better target for the redirect than Pangaea, at least. This forum thread (although rather - er - divergent from conventional views and English orthography) gives us, as well as Amexem, both Atlan and "Land Of Frogs" - I don't suppose there are any more reliable (or at least coherent) sources out there for "Land Of Frogs", by any chance? Tevildo (talk) 22:33, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome! I had no luck with Land of Frogs; there were just too many unrelated hits. Even if you search wikipedia for the phrase you get hits from Australia, South Africa, Mexico... Everyone has frogs! 184.147.120.192 (talk) 00:51, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Arabian 18th-century warrior woman

The article of Ghaliyya al-Wahhabiyya is intriguing but hard to expand as there does not seem to be much written about her outside of Arabian language sources. Does any one have any information about exactly when the event (her defense of Mecca) took place? The article only say it was in the 18th-century. Also: how come she was able to raise and command an army at all? Thank you--Aciram (talk) 15:25, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

By searching for "Ghaliya" instead of "Ghaliyya" (one of those usually annoying Google prompts "Did you mean..."), I found: "A number of incidents ensued (including a Saudi victory under the command of a woman, Ghaliya, at the Battle of Turaba in 1814)..." Ménoret, Pascal. The Saudi Enigma: A History. Zed Books. p. 76. ISBN 978-1842776056. Alansplodge (talk) 17:37, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Also: "Initially, Muhammad Ali suffered a series of military failures. In late 1813 and early 1814, his troops were defeated near Turaba and Qunfudha. In the Turaba battle, the Wahhabis were commanded by a woman, named Ghaliya, to whom the Egyptians immediately ascribed the power of casting the evil eye". Vassiliev, Alexei (2000). The History of Saudi Arabia. NYU Press. ISBN 978-0814788097. (Chapter 5).

At least we have a date and location now, but little else. Not mentioned at all in Ottoman–Wahhabi War. Alansplodge (talk) 17:59, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent! Thank you very much. I have added this to the article, I hope you don't mind. The Arab language article does include more information, but it cannot be added when Google translate is so bad. This was no doubt a remarkable incident in several ways, sad that the information is so hard to come by.--Aciram (talk) 22:49, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You're most welcome. Alansplodge (talk) 23:30, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You could try posting the relevant text on the language refdesk, and asking for a translation. Carbon Caryatid (talk) 16:07, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Marie La Pen winning election in France

Would France quit the EU if she were to win next year's election?Uncle dan is home (talk) 15:53, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Her name is Marine Le Pen. See the section "European Union and globalization" in that article regarding her position on Europe. --Xuxl (talk) 19:50, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Also "Prediction is very difficult, especially about the future." --Stephan Schulz (talk) 21:44, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Is it Marine or Marion? The article contradicts itself in its first line. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 22:06, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, it doesn't. She was born "Marion Anne Perrine Le Pen", but goes by "Marine Le Pen". Compare Rock Hudson or John Wayne or Willy Brandt. I've updated the article to more clearly reflect this. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 22:23, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It did, but doesn't now. Good fix. :) ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 22:48, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There is also a Marion in the family though. Adam Bishop (talk) 02:17, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

December 5

Gambia and the Commonwealth

Has the new president-elect of the Gambia made any comments on his country's relationship with the Commonwealth? The previous government withdrew in 2013 calling it a neo-colonial institution. Rojomoke (talk) 14:33, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Not a direct quote, but BBC says "Mr Barrow has promised to undo some of Mr Jammeh's more controversial moves, including reversing decisions to remove The Gambia from the Commonwealth and the International Criminal Court (ICC)." 184.147.120.192 (talk) 15:07, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Aha, here's the quote they are referring to, made by Adama Barrow to the Anadolu Post on Nov. 27: "“We will ensure that we respect all international agreements we are a signatory to and we will take the country back to the Commonwealth and the International Criminal Court." 184.147.120.192 (talk) 15:11, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

talking to yourself as sign of madness

Does psychology consider talking to yourself a sign of mental problems? Is too much verbalization of mental self talk a sign that something is wrong with ourselves?31.177.98.136 (talk) 15:01, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia's article on the subject is at Intrapersonal communication. It mentions no mental illness that causes it; indeed it seems to imply a near-universal aspect of normal human behavior. --Jayron 32 15:14, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Merely pretending that there is another person isn't likely a problem. However, if you actually believe you are talking to (or listening to) someone other than yourself when no one else is actually present, then that could be a sign of a delusion. Dragons flight (talk) 16:36, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Prayer would be exempted. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 19:05, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure Christopher Hitchens would have agreed with that... --Stephan Schulz (talk) 19:09, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The mental illness of which prayer is symptomatic is not talking to yourself, it's the belief that fictional entities can influence the real world. Not relevant to the OP. Fgf10 (talk) 19:35, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Prove those entities are fictional. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 20:24, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That's rather reversing the burden of proof. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I don't have to proof that something doesn't exist. Also, I have the law of physics on my side. Fgf10 (talk) 21:06, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I find your lack of faith disturbing. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 21:49, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It is impossible to prove or disprove the existence of any such entity through scientific methods. Unrelated, but there's one psychiatrist, a real one, who works for the NHS in the UK who keeps a facebook page. He once posted: "The psychiatry consultant regrets to announce that the CIA have not yet developed a chip which can read your thoughts. So, if you believe you have been implanted with such a device, please see your local psychiatrist as soon as possible so they can take appropriate action". One poster's response? "There's no point! My chip is programmed to evade detection by psychiatrists!" Eliyohub (talk) 05:18, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Depending on how you talk to yourself, not only isn't it a sign of madness, it's actually a good thing. http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-fernyhough-voices-in-head-20161205-story.html 🔯 Sir Joseph ^🍸(talk) 19:10, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

People talking with themselves are a real bore, after they find a way of convincing other parts of the public they are after something worth either new or forgotten. You witness the birth of a new sheme of exclusion. --Askedonty (talk) 06:10, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I think this might not be so directly about talking to oneself, which I did a hell of a lot of when practising for plays or speeches, but whether the speech is being directed at some form of auditory hallucination. Talking in a way that others might perceive as being directed at yourself might be seen as kind of weird, but depending on circumstances maybe not unreasonable. Talking to "the voices" might be another matter entirely. John Carter (talk) 19:41, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with the above posters. If you know that you're talking to yourself, merely voicing your thoughts as a way of processing and pondering them, this would not be considered a mental illness, though in certain situations when others are around, it would be considered odd, even though most people do it. On the other hand, if you're responding to "voices" in your head, this may well be in indication of hallucinations, which would be a mental illness. Eliyohub (talk) 05:18, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Occasionally it can be useful, see rubber duck debugging (which can be performed effectively without a duck) MChesterMC (talk) 13:33, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Talking to oneself is not a sign of mental disease per se. But if you run into somebody who is obviously having a loud and emotional conversation with himself, it will frequently turn out that he is suffering from schizophrenia and hearing voices inside his head. So it can be an indicator of mental disease in a statistical sense, if it is blatant enough. Looie496 (talk) 15:28, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Casino fire?

I remember hearing a while ago on the news that there was a fire at a casino or a diner or something where over one hundred people died. It caught my mind because I remember that the owner wouldn't let anyone out until they paid, and he barricaded the doors, which caused a lot of people to die. Can anyone else find something about this event, because I sure as hell can't. It happened in the United States, so I couldn't get any results because of things in Asia and South America. Thanks in advance. UN$¢_Łuke_1Ø21^Repørts 15:58, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Are you thinking of Cocoanut Grove fire in 1942? Nearly 500 people died. "The scale of the tragedy shocked the nation and briefly replaced the events of World War II in newspaper headlines. It led to a reform of safety standards and codes across the US, and to major changes in the treatment and rehabilitation of burn victims internationally." Carbon Caryatid (talk) 16:09, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Carbon Caryatid: No, it was a recent event. I remember hearing about it on the news in 2010 or 2011. UN$¢_Łuke_1Ø21^Repørts 19:00, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

My first thought was the Summerland disaster in 1971 on the Isle of Man, which killed 53: "There was no attempt to evacuate the 3,000 people present until the visible evidence of the flames prompted a panic-stricken mass rush for the exits, where many people were crushed and trampled. Because of the locked fire doors, many people headed to the main entrance, which caused a crush". Alansplodge (talk) 16:27, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

But then I found The Station nightclub fire in 2003 in Rhode Island: "The fire was caused by pyrotechnics set off by the tour manager of the evening's headlining band Great White, which ignited flammable sound insulation polyurethane foam in the walls and ceilings surrounding the stage. A fast-moving fire with intense black smoke engulfed the club in 5½ minutes. Video footage of the fire shows its ignition, rapid growth, the billowing smoke that quickly made escape impossible, and the exit blockage that further hindered evacuation. The toxic smoke, heat and the stampede of people toward the exits killed 100; 230 were injured and another 132 escaped uninjured". Alansplodge (talk) 16:27, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe the MGM Grand fire, which killed 85 people? Not over 100 and the owner didn't barricade the doors...but it was sort of at a casino at least. Adam Bishop (talk) 16:30, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Also the Dupont Plaza Hotel arson in 1986 which killed 98. Alansplodge (talk) 16:32, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

And yet another, the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire, keeps abreast of the theme of "owners locked the doors to cut down on theft, and that's why so many people died". --Jayron 32 16:38, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

And the Happy Land fire killed 87 in 1959 in the Bronx. Alansplodge (talk) 16:53, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

In 1959 Southern Boulevard, that is. The date was 1990. —Tamfang (talk) 00:24, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Finally, feel free to peruse our List of fires - the second list down deals with fires in individual buildings. Alansplodge (talk) 17:30, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, it wasn't any of these. I will look through that list later, because I'm at school and don't want to look weird. UN$¢_Łuke_1Ø21^Repørts 19:01, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

However, if by recent you mean 1990s or after, the only other fire in the US with a significant number of lives lost where locked doors were involved that is in that article seems to be Hamlet chicken processing plant fire which was 25 deaths. It's possible it's simply not in the list, but with a high number of lives lost, happening relatively recently and in the US, I suspect it would be. How sure are you that it's in the US? As mentioned above and below, locked doors to prevent theft etc isn't exactly uncommon. And as insular as the US is as times, I'm fairly sure a fire causing a hundred deaths (or something close to it) could make your local news even if it happened outside the US. Nil Einne (talk) 01:54, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I am 99% sure it happened in the United States. My dad is a firefighter, so he is normally notified whenever there is a huge fire, no matter where in the US it occurred. I think it happened on the East Coast but I'm not really sure. I'll ask him, I guess. UN$¢_Łuke_1Ø21^Repørts 17:23, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps getting confused with Ycuá Bolaños supermarket fire? See also Category:Fire disasters involving barricaded escape routes. Nanonic (talk) 19:35, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That wasn't in the United States but was in South America so wouldn't seem to be what the OP is after. As shown above, locked doors to prevent theft is unfortunately a common occurrence so I'm not sure if it would be easy to single out any particular incident as a cause of confusion especially once we expand outside the US. The incident you mention is perhaps somewhat out of the ordinary in the locking allegedly happening after the fire started, although [13] this briefly happened in the Kiss nightclub fire too and our article suggests also 2009 Nakumatt supermarket fire albeit again with unclear consequence. Further back, it was also suggested locking after the fire happened in Ozone Disco Club fire. So unfortunately I don't think people allegedly being locked in after the fire had started can be linked to only one incident either. (There was a successful prosecution of a security guard in the Ycuá Bolaños case so it may not be just alleged. I can't see this mentioned for any of the other cases, but coverage of even major incidents outside the developed world can be spotty on wikipedia. Also if you're remembering reports from when the incident happened it's likely you're just going by what others said anyway.) Nil Einne (talk) 02:19, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Not what the OP is looking for, I know, but in terms of locked exit doors, the Bradford City stadium fire ranks right up there. The exits were apparently locked to prevent fans sneaking into game without paying. (Stupidly, fire extinguishers were also absent, as fans had in the past used them as weapons against rival fans). Thankfully, in many cases, people managed to break the doors down, but in one section, they failed, and most of the 56 deaths were in that section. Note that there were approximately 2,500 people in the stand, it was a Flash fire, and all but those 56 escaped. here is a clip of it "live" (see how fast it spreads - real time!) but do beware, parts are graphic. Eliyohub (talk) 05:00, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

All other things equal is building fire a bigger or smaller risk at high altitude?

Especially as high as La Paz/Lhasa a fire would more easily use up oxygen till you black out right? Woe to those who are lowlanders and unacclimated. Would low O₂ balance things out though by making fires grow slower? Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 19:40, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This sounds like a science question to me, not a humanities question. I don't know the answer, but perhaps you should switch desks? Eliyohub (talk) 04:46, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note that breathing-wise, the lack of oxygen isn't the usual problem in a fire, it's the presence of toxic fumes. So, with that in mind, I suspect that the fire-retardant nature of thin air would make fires somewhat less dangerous at altitude. It would be interesting to find stats that support or counter this. StuRat (talk) 16:51, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

If the World Wars, Cold War and Great Depression never happened what would happen population-wise?

We don't answer requests for opinions, predictions or debate

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Would Europe have more people now? Western Europe? Eastern? Japan? Would the US have less? Could the current borders of Germany have 90 or 100 million instead of 81? Would Europe still be about to stop growing? Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 23:16, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I think you're aware of the admonition at the top of the page "We don't answer requests for opinions, predictions or debate." You're wishing to indulge in a little Counterfactual history. Perhaps start with that article and follow links; you may find writers who have gone in the direction of your interest. The sheer scale of what-ifs in your question renders any further answer futile. --Tagishsimon (talk) 23:25, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There would probably have been other disasters to take up the slack. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 23:53, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

. This doesn't mean I endorse i

Note that the 1918 flu pandemic happened to occur near the end of World War 1, and killed more people than the war itself. Sometimes the true killers get forgotten. I'm not aware of many memorials to the victims of the pandemic, whilst there are thousands of memorial sites to the victims of the war. Your question is in general way to vague to be answered, even in the realm of "counterfactual history". There are forums devoted to the topic, and if you like counterfactual history, consider reading the book What If? (essays) where "military historians imagine what might have been", and its' sequel more "what if". Eliyohub (talk) 04:55, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Rojomoke (talk) 05:05, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

December 6

Church of Scotland patronage and legal terminology

Church Patronage (Scotland) Act 1711 notes that patronage disputes sometimes reached the civil courts. Was there a specific legal procedure for such disputes, something comparable to the quare impedit process for patronage in England and Wales, or was it just another lawsuit? Nyttend (talk) 01:03, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The Scots law equivalent is an action of declarator. There wasn't a specific form of declarator for an ecclesiastical patronage. The leading case is Macdonnell v Gordon (1828) - I'm not sure how to construct a neutral citation for that, I'm afraid. Tevildo (talk) 22:31, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Tenth Commandment

Alright, I asked another question earlier but this one is actually important, so I'm asking twice in one day.

Does anyone know of any biblical stories relating to the Catholic Tenth Commandment (Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's goods)? Here's some background: I go to Catholic school, and for Scripture class we have to make an iBook about the Commandments. I was born in October so I got the Tenth Commandment. I need to include a way that a biblical story relates to this Commandment. I did a Google search, and nothing came up. So, once again, can anyone help me find one? Thanks again in advance. UN$¢_Łuke_1Ø21^Repørts 01:05, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

What do people born in November and December get? Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 01:10, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing, since no one is born in November and December. For November "or" December, they get pumpkin pie or figgy pudding, respectively. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 01:28, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe this could help? Someguy1221 (talk) 01:11, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much! If I didn't add any of this stuff my teacher would fail me! UN$¢_Łuke_1Ø21^Repørts 01:12, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

UNSC Luke 1021, don't forget to distinguish between jealousy and coveting, the former being appropriate in certain situations (consider the conclusion to the First Commandment) and the latter not. One relevant biblical account might be that of Naboth and his death. Nyttend (talk) 01:16, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

How about the coat of many colors ? While it was his brothers who were jealous, that might be close enough. StuRat (talk) 16:47, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Why is this bit in the Miranda warning?

"Anything you say may be used against you in a court of law."

Why is this there? What purpose dose it serve? Surely the point of the warning is to advise of the right to silence and the right to an attorney. Anyone being questioned by the police must surely know that anything they say may be used in court, they will know they're not just there for a chat. Is there any court opinons in the past that have dealt with this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amisom (talk • contribs) 14:19, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"Surely" is always a problem in legal terms. How sure is this? How robust is this assumption? If the law is to be equally fair to all (a strong principle in US jurisprudence), then who would correctly understand this assumption and who could be misled by failing to do so? In UK law there is a notion of a "reasonable person", exemplified by "the man on the Clapham omnibus". This is the direction on which UK law is based and is one of the subtle differences to the US.

In the US, a viable defense strategy would be for a lawyer to portray their client, pejoratively but pragmatically, as an ignorant fool; thus someone who would not understand the unstated implication of the situation you describe. To avoid that, US law and Miranda has chosen to explicitly state these assumptions, leaving no room for doubt or an incorrect assumption. Some states even add a question "Did you understand?" after them (one might surmise that a legally safer, albeit longwinded, strategy might be to feign ignorance at that point). The underlying principle in the US stems from the Constitution and is that it's for the prosecutor to show that all suspects would have been made aware of the issues. In the UK it's largely to assume that if a "reasonable" person would act or interpret in some way, then it's the suspect's task to demonstrate why they would act differently.

The UK laws have changed over the years. From an initial assumption of a right to silence, and later requirement for this to be stated at the time of arrest, the 1994 PACE rules replaced that with an implicit threat that silence could also be taken as harmful evidence against the suspect in the future. This caution, and the potential assumption that a suspect either must speak, or should speak then (even before legal advice) has been questioned (weakly), as it goes against the type of situation that is the concern behind Miranda. Andy Dingley (talk) 15:17, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It's actually quite common for police to behave as though they're just having a "chat" after arresting somebody, in hope of eliciting incriminating information. Looie496 (talk) 15:22, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly, people have implicated themselves in the past after "just a chat". Consider a situation where a police officer says they want to talk to you "off the record". There is an opinion thatpolice are allowed to lie and whatever you say "off the record" can still be used against you, which many people would not naturally assume. No longer a penguin (talk) 15:34, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There's the famous US case where the local police used a "lie detector" test by placing the word "LIE" in a photocopier and pressing the copy button whenever their suspect said "the wrong thing". This is simple browbeating of the weak, isolated and unsupported, which is exactly what Miranda sets out to prevent. Andy Dingley (talk) 16:21, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

But if police are allowed to lie to suspects and use info those lies elicits, then how do the suspects know if the Miranda warning is true ? For example, if a police officer later says they gave the Miranda warning just because it's a technical requirement, and it doesn't really apply, how would the suspect know which is true ? StuRat (talk) 16:42, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

For posterity and convenience, any reference to the case(s) of this fake lie detector business? SemanticMantis (talk) 16:46, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You would think anyone who fell for that could claim diminished capacity (or rather their lawyer could). StuRat (talk) 16:55, 6 December 2016 (UTC) [reply]

Snopes lists it as "Legend", unfortunately. Tevildo (talk) 19:41, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed they do. My conclusion after searching a bit is that lots of people on the Internet seem to believe it's a true story, but they tend to be people advocating anti-police positions. I did find a couple of cites claiming knowledge at one remove:

In this article it says that David Simon wrote such an incident into the TV series The Wire because he "saw Baltimore cops do it" and already knew that "it actually used to happen in Detroit".
And here in the book Gabby: A Story of Courage and Hope, Mark Kelly says that his father was a cop who used to do it.

But of course that's that sort of thing that happens with legends: if you checked with Simon or with Kelly's father (if he's alive) they might actually say "No, I didn't see it or do it, but I knew someone who did". It sounds good but it's not strong evidence. --76.71.5.45 (talk) 22:34, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The cop lie I've seen most often on cop shows is, "Your partner [in the crime in question] has given you up." ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 22:44, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Or "we found your fingerprints." ("How do you explain that?" "Well, I've watched enough TV to think of several possibilities, of which the simplest is that you're lying.") —Tamfang (talk) 01:56, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

In one of Agatha Christie's mysteries, after explaining how a murder was committed, Hercule Poirot declares to the killer, "You even left your fingerprints on the bottle"; and the reply is, "You lie! I wore--". Case closed. --76.71.5.45 (talk) 06:17, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

December 7

Child labour laws and environmental laws w.r.t. goods sold

Are there, or have there ever been, any jurisdiction that apply their child labour laws and environmental laws to all good imported and/or sold within the country?

As in, country A restricts import of goods manufactured in country B because country B's child labour laws and environmental laws are too lax compared to country A's laws. ECS LIVA Z (talk) 00:09, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Asma El-Bakry

Hi, I am looking for French and Arabic-language sources that cover Asma El Bakry, an Egyptian film director, in significant detail. Hack (talk) 00:59, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe you want the Entertainment desk? —Tamfang (talk) 01:57, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"winter weather to the Mediterranean in late November"

I was just reading the Suez Crisis and came across this sentence: "Additionally, the coming of winter weather to the Mediterranean in late November would render the invasion impossible, which thus meant the invasion had to begin before then."

But the climate chart at Port_Said#Climate shows an almost ideal weather in November there: average low of 17.5 C to an average high of 23 C, high sunshine hours and extremely low precipitation. I personally wouldn't mind a vacation in such a climate. So what's going on here? Is there some military weather factor that I'm missing here? ECS LIVA Z (talk) 01:54, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Wind and waves? {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 176.248.159.54 (talk) 03:24, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This suggests that the problem wasn't really landing, it was getting the Royal Navy to Egypt in the first place. Plus, there was an additional problem that reservists and ships had to be released for other duty. Smurrayinchester 09:15, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

What is the name of the female singer that sing at some flaming lips songs?

What is the name of the female singer that usually sing for flaming lips lips songs? I tried to look at wikipedia article but it has just male names.~~

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+What is the name of the female singer that usually sing for flaming lips lips songs? I tried to look at wikipedia article but it has just male names.~~