::::"Accessibility" as a general concept may apply to all namespaces, but the MOS page [[MOS:ACCESS]] does not - it explicitly says that it is a page about editing articles. Your argument would be stronger if you had pointed at [[WP:TALK]], which also has something about blank lines between comments. We don't want to start a trend of people point to MOS guidelines for talk pages.
::::"Accessibility" as a general concept may apply to all namespaces, but the MOS page [[MOS:ACCESS]] does not - it explicitly says that it is a page about editing articles. Your argument would be stronger if you had pointed at [[WP:TALK]], which also has something about blank lines between comments. We don't want to start a trend of people point to MOS guidelines for talk pages.
::::But I think it would be more productive to discuss the question Jc3s5h asked -- how should someone format an indented response that has more than one paragraph, in a way to leave a space between the paragraphs? Based on looking at the results generated by these examples [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:CBM/sandbox&oldid=848727587] it looks like one of the two options in LISTGAP does not work,and a bare paragraph tag is needed instead of a blank line. But I think I have almost never seen someone use a paragraph tag in that way in practice. — Carl <small>([[User:CBM|CBM]] · [[User talk:CBM|talk]])</small> 21:57, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
::::But I think it would be more productive to discuss the question Jc3s5h asked -- how should someone format an indented response that has more than one paragraph, in a way to leave a space between the paragraphs? Based on looking at the results generated by these examples [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:CBM/sandbox&oldid=848727587] it looks like one of the two options in LISTGAP does not work - in my browser an empty dd has height 0px. So to follow INDENTGAP a bare paragraph tag is needed instead of a blank line. But I think I have almost never seen someone use a paragraph tag in that way in practice. — Carl <small>([[User:CBM|CBM]] · [[User talk:CBM|talk]])</small> 21:57, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
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Where can you sail to by Stena Line? — Preceding unsigned comment added by IkbenFrank (talk • contribs) 20:08, 27 April 2015
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I forgot to thank you for your constant assistance, oversight and comment at the Moorgate tube crash article during the rewrite and reviews it went through. Your knowledge and expertise was most welcome throughout.
This is the station I was telling you about once...never completed..Lullingstone railway station. In 1937, proposals were made to move an airport to Lullingstone, near Eynsford, in Kent. In anticipation, Southern Railway built a station, ready to train into Victoria’s platform 17. Known as the ‘ghost station’, it was demolished in 1955, although the two original platforms still remain today. 🚂 Whispyhistory (talk) 17:36, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Whispyhistory: Ah yes, I recall this one: if you look at the page history, whose name is third from bottom? The article was created by Lamberhurst (talk·contribs), one of our main creators of Kent railway pages. Another of our main creators of Kent railway pages is Mjroots (talk·contribs), who has also edited the Lullingstone railway station article. You might like to discuss airport matters with Mjroots.
BTW regarding your third sentence, we would normally write "In anticipation, the Southern Railway built ..." - although omission of the definite article is normal for British Rail and its successor train operators, it's almost never done for pre-nationalisation railway companies. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 18:42, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
You left a message in the history for Chemeketa Cooperative Regional Library Service saying one should not use |thumb for images in the infobox. Can you tell me, is it the inclusion of that text in the text string, or is it the nature of the image that is the problem? I'm new to this, and didn't find the Infobox help page to be very enlightening on this topic. I want to be sure I got it right, this time! Jam today, jam tomorrow — Preceding unsigned comment added by Everydayjam (talk • contribs) 18:14, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Everydayjam:This is the page as it had been before my edit: the infobox image has a double border - which with the infobox border makes three - and the font size of the caption is below the minimum permitted by accessibility guidelines. This is how I left it: no superfluous extra borders, caption font size matches the rest of the infobox. The relevant guideline is WP:INFOBOXIMAGE. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 18:36, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you very much for explaining that, and especially for the examples so I could see to what you were referring. Much appreciated! Jam today, jam tomorrow — Preceding unsigned comment added by Everydayjam (talk • contribs) 19:55, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Initiated
Sorry about that duplicate 'Initiated' tag. Where is it supposed to be placed? Above the request, on the same line as the request, or after the request? I would like to add a sentence or two to the instructions so that it's clear to others.- MrX 🖋 19:15, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It doesn't actually matter; but recently we have been listing requests in chronological order by the date the discussion began (instead of simply adding new reqs at the end of the list) so it makes sense for the {{initiated}} to go at the start of the request. Newlines are optional. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 19:20, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
RE: Wey navigation template
Hi
You complained about interweaved replies on User talk:Useddenim. Unfortunately when you moved the comment it no longer made sense. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 17:38, 1 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Murgatroyd49: You dropped your comment into the middle of a post by Useddenim (talk·contribs). In doing so, you divorced their signature from their comment "I'm not sure; I'm still trying to nail down that glitch." thus making it look like you made that comment. This goes against WP:TPO#Interleaving replies which says "Generally, you should not break up another editor's text by interleaving your own replies to individual points; this confuses who said what and obscures the original editor's intent. In your own posts you may wish to use the {{Talk quotation}} or {{Talkquote}} templates to quote others' posts."
Dear Radrose64, you added the category [[Category:Year of birth missing (living people)]] - but in the article, it is named that she is born 1945. I would have loved to add this to the template on the right side, but there is only a possibility to name her day and month of birth also, and i don't know them. Do you know a way to add to the infobox the year 1945? Kind regards, --Gyanda (talk) 22:06, 1 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Gyanda: Now that you mention it, I do see that 1945 is there - but there are two problems: one is that it doesn't actually say that she was born in 1945, it's just a figure in parenthesis with an unexplained asterisk and the words "in Berlin"; the other is that per the policy on living people all personal information, including year of birth, must be referenced to a reliable source. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:25, 1 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your quick answer. Would a gallery who has the vita of the artist be counted as a reliable source? (It only gives the year though, not day and month). Kind regards, --Gyanda (talk) 00:08, 2 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Gyanda: Regarding reliable sources, this should be covered at the link that I provided; there is more info at WP:BLPSOURCES and if you have questions on a particular source, the place to ask is WP:RSN. As for the asterisk - I've not seen it in a Wikipedia article before, and it's not mentioned at MOS:DOB, so please give an example of where this is done. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 07:06, 2 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I'm deeply thankful that you took the time to answer me in such detail. This helps a lot! Thank you very much - and i will delete the asterisk! Kind regards and THANKS again!!! --Gyanda (talk) 12:41, 2 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Re: Lisle Park District
Hi, @RedRose64!
Can I ask why they moved it back to my sandbox? Were there any issues regarding the article?
@Andrianajohnson: The person to ask is the person who moved the page, which (as may be seen from the page history) is Calton (talk·contribs), and you already asked them a question at User talk:Calton#Lisle Park District. But we can find out quite a lot by examining the events: first, you created the page in your own userspace (and there is nothing wrong in that) when it looked like this; it contains nothing apart from the template {{dashboard.wikiedu.org sandbox}}. Ten days later, when it still did not contain any actual text, you moved it to mainspace; 100 minutes later, Calton moved it back, notice the edit summary "empty sandbox". In fact, the page was not quite empty at the time, since it still contained the template {{dashboard.wikiedu.org sandbox}}, but this on its own would have been sufficient for the page to be speedy deleted under WP:CSD#G2 (Test pages), WP:CSD#A1 (No context), or WP:CSD#A3 (No content) - take your pick.
You ask "were there any issues regarding the article?" - yes there were, since there was no actual article as such. I think that Calton was being lenient in simply moving the page back where it came from rather than requesting speedy deletion. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 07:30, 2 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
London Paddington Station Platforms
I can see you undid my edit. Paddington dose in fact have 14 platforms, not 13 and this is shown on the Network Rail Website how runs the station. So I have undone your edit. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Slindsell15 (talk • contribs) 23:07, 6 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Slindsell15 I think that what Redrose is saying is that that diagram is out of date (which wouldn't surprise me). However, you are correct, Redrose does need to show sources to refute yours. -mattbuck (Talk) 07:18, 7 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, After doing some research and actually contacting Network Rail I believe I have a solution. Paddington Has 14 platforms, it has 6 lines splitting into 14 rail tracks going into the station which are all connected to the GWR network. I can see that there was an extension to platform 12 and you are correct about that. However, platform 12 and 13 did not share a rail track, they were separate platforms. If platform 13 was removed and called platform 12 there were still two lines serving Paddington which means two trains, two services which means this has to be counted as a platform. Therefore Paddington has 14 platforms serving the GWR in London. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Slindsell15 (talk • contribs) 08:45, 7 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Slindsell15:On the left, Platform 12 at Paddington; on the right, platform 11 No, as part of the platform remodelling in 2017, the tracks were realigned. Previously, there were indeed two tracks; now there is only one. The accompanying photo was taken from the former platform 13, looking along the extended platform 12. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 08:58, 7 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry but I don't understand. The map on Network Rails website is very different. Platform 12 is long anyway. Could you elaborate please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Slindsell15 (talk • contribs) 09:11, 7 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Slindsell15, yes, NR's map is different. It hasn't been updated since the remodelling took place. Platform 13 no longer exists. Platform 12 may be long, but it's a single platform, not two. I've tweeted to NR to ask them to fix it. Also, please remember to sign your messages using four tildes (~~~~) and you can just edit the page rather than adding a new section each time! -mattbuck (Talk) 18:20, 7 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It's TedEdwards here. Last month, to prepare for exams, I started an Enforced Wikibreak. However recently, someone is attempting to log into my account. Obviously, as I can't log onto my account (this is the case till late June) to see how many times this person has attempted to log into my account etc., could you please edit my JavaScript to end the Wikibreak enforcer. Thank you. 86.149.230.184 (talk) 17:12, 7 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I'm puzzled why you are asking me: I know little of JavaScript and nothing of this WikiBreak Enforcer, other than the fact that it appears to be in User:TedEdwards/common.js. Who suggested that you add this code? Is there any reason why you cannot ask that person, rather than me?
I'm asking you because according to your user page, you're a computer programmer and the first admin I could think of. To remove the Wikibreak Enforcer, just blank the page of the JavaScript. And no one suggested I should add the code, I found a mention of it of WP:SELFBLOCK and thought it would serve my need. Due to my account being password protected, it hasn't been breached yet, I'm just getting emails saying someone has unsucessfully attempted to log onto my account multiple times. I can log into my account, however when I do, I can't do anything before I'm automatically logged out again. So to be clear, this person does not know my (strong) password, so only I can log in. To explain how I know you, I hate to say this, but I changed my username from User:Theoosmond a few years ago, if that rings any unwanted bells (check User talk:Redrose64/unclassified 14 if you can't remember). I hope you realise that I have grown up since those incidents, and to reiterate, I am sorry and embarassed about what happened, and I hope you don't hold a grudge against me as I don't as I accept my behaviour was immature, offensive and unacceptable in general. I'm asking you because your the only admin I've had extensive dealings with before that I can think off. 86.149.230.184 (talk) 21:18, 7 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
And to be clear, I believe you were completely in the right when the incidents described above occured, hence I don't hold a grudge. 86.149.230.184 (talk) 21:33, 7 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
(talk page watcher) If you want to stop a piece of Javascript running, disable Javascript, and once you're logged in to your account you can adjust whatever preferences you like. You do not need to be going around trying to persuade admins to delete other peoples' user pages to access your account. If Redrose, or any other admin, did delete someone else's .js page at the request of a dynamic BT IP who could literally be anyone in Britain, the net result would just be one less admin. ‑ Iridescent 221:42, 7 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Iridescent 2: Wish I knew that! So cheers for that. But I never asked for my Javascript to be deleted, just blanked. And I would like to make it clear (if it isn't already) that the IP was me. To RedRose: Thanks for that anyway. Again I sorry and I hope you moved on from what I descibed above and I wish you well in editing. TedEdwards21:58, 7 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Not all computer programmers know all computer languages - ask a JavaScript expert to write a program in COBOL-74 and they'd be totally flummoxed.
I don't have the ability to rename users. Examining the CHU request, it's clear that the rename was performed by K6ka (talk·contribs).
I don't have access to the relevant data tables, so cannot find out anything about who was making the attempt; all I can offer is what it says in a typical email, which is the blue button Help.
Don't know why you're talking about changing usernames, as I know you didn't do it nor do I want to change my username, but nonetheless thank you. TedEdwards15:32, 8 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I'm talking about changing usernames because that is precisely what 86.149.230.184 (talk) mentioned in this edit and this one. Since you deny having mentioned that matter - and I have no reason to doubt you - it is therefore clear that 86.149.230.184 is not you, and they were indeed attempting to gain access improperly. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 19:45, 8 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
No, you misunderstand, the IP was me; I mentioned changing my username in a crap attempt to prove who I was (by showing how I came across you a couple of years ago, and showing that me and Theoosmond are the same person).
I've been on the admin's noticeboard, and apparently people trying to hack peoples' Wikipedia accounts has been going on a lot recently, so there isn't a problem. TedEdwards21:00, 8 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I am holding fire in this. I just popped down to Strood to get a photo on the new livery- but no trains. All the timetables except the Govia website- said there was an 12: 17 and a 12:24. But nothing is running- there are only Tameslink timetables and no Southeastern ones available- no staff and the historic services. Govia website suggests this bill be a Monday- Friday service until mid-June- their paper timetable just have a red overprint- check before you travel. When this does happen- the Template:Medway area RDT and I suspect everal others will need a little hacking.--ClemRutter (talk) 13:05, 20 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@ClemRutter:Template:Medway area RDT appears to be a fork of Template:Medway Towns RDT, which I created. The latter is nothing to do with services, who runs what train or anything else current. It is a diagram of all the railway lines within the Borough of Medway, plus all the passenger stations that were open at any time in history. Unless a station is closed and resited (like Rochester a couple of years back), it should need no amendments as a result of a new TOC taking over services in the area. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:17, 20 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Got it- the train does exist
In spite of the cancellations- I finally got a photo. Overall the picture here is bleak. Thameslink is a replacement for our CHX service not an addition as we had been led to believe and the last train from London is now 22.25 (late afternoon by my standards). Borough of Medway refers to previous name for Rochester (1974-1979)- not the Medway Council, but I see a few redirects need to be redirected!ClemRutter (talk) 21:02, 21 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Just wondering about your reversion of my edit to the opening date of Carluke Railway Station. I'd changed it to the opening of the actual station in its current location, rather than the earlier station on the Wishaw and Coltness line, though I appreciate that I should probably have changed the line to Caledonian too. But if you feel it should reflect the earliest of any station that was called Carluke, then that's fine too.
Weatherman22 (talk) 01:38, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Weatherman22: You refer to this edit. At Carluke railway station#History, the only source given for the opening date is "R V J Butt 1995", which refers to this book, which I have: and on pages 220 and 54 it shows that the station named Stirling Road was opened on 8 January 1842 by the Wishaw and Coltness Railway, and renamed Carluke on 15 February 1848 by the Caledonian. There is no indication of two stations, nor of one station being resited. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 09:13, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the reply. I was using Firefox to look at Wikipedia's CSS as an example of clean design and table design, that's why I asked. --Chelston-temp-1 (talk) 12:08, 25 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry. Your explanation was perfectly clear but I just missed the S. Even after all these years, category stuff is in large part a dysfunctional mystery to me. I'm sure that is my fault! - Sitush (talk) 23:48, 28 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Module:Excerpt tries hard to remove such templates and almost always succeeds. The current problem is detecting whether a template is before the lead and should be discarded, or forms the first words of the lead and should be kept. As it would be impractical to write a bulletproof wikitext parser which deals individually with 500,000 different templates, it has to apply some heuristics. It's currently failing to handle three types of line: misnested braces such as I just fixed in Ediacaran biota; a template followed by part of another template as in William Bruce (architect); and a template followed by a File: image as in Food. I'll see what I can do about the last two. Certes (talk) 00:01, 30 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@MarnetteD and Redrose64: Fixed, thanks for the ping. By the way, the module does respect noinclude but I see that as a last resort. I'd prefer to find out about such problems so that they can be solved in the module rather than by adding noinclude tags to potentially large numbers of articles. Module:Excerpt may have gained 1500 transclusions but it's still supposed to be in alpha test so it's not too late to fix this sort of thing. Certes (talk) 00:26, 30 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Many thanks for working on this Certes. If it is okay I can let you know if new ones pop up in the category in the future. Thanks to you as well Redrose64 for taking a look and for contacting the right people. Regards to you both. MarnetteD|Talk01:25, 30 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Sections
BTW. Note that the Parsoid version of the parser automatically generates sections based on wikicode headers example. This is used for the mobile/app versions to do lazy loading, and for VE as well I believe. This only works if the wikicode of that page is well balanced, because the parser needs to be able to guess. If it cannot, then it will give up and return the output without section elements. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 11:45, 31 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
A new member who needs help
Hi, I'm new here and didn't make many contributions so I'm not really familiar with the system and was seeking help to report a page for deletion since I think it's violating the page as it is clear that the company is the one who created the page even making a section called "Our Vision" so I tried to report it my self but I didn't really understand the system and was afraid to screw up the whole thing so thought you may help me or at least guide me on how to report it since tgis company is already controversial enough here in Egypt. Thanks Mohab mazhar (talk) 20:04, 31 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
First of all, it is okay in Wikipedia policy to edit a page referring to yourself/your company as long as it is independently assessed for bias by other users (which of course is normally the case).
Secondly, they are not required to disclose their link to the topic, although it is good practise to do so, the exception to this is if they are getting paid to write/edit the page, in which case they must disclose this.
Thirdly, can you please provide a link to the page in question so that I, User:Redrose64 or one of the other WP:TPS's can take a look at the page?
Fourthly, it could be that they have copied/pasted from the company's website, in which case, it will need to be urgently reviewed in case any copyright claims are violated by the inclusion of content.
Fifthly, failing this, the page may possibly be in violation of policy, in which case it can be nominated for deletion.
First off, thank you for replying and for taking my matter seriously and replying so soon to this so I really appreciate it.
The page is about some sports advertising company called "presentation sports" or "برزنتشن سبورت" (in Arabic) the problem is that I'm almost quite certain that they are using the community as an advertising platform unfortunately this topic isn't available in other languages than Arabic which made it more suspicious to me since it's a really big company and also I think that would be a problem to you reviewing since I know Arabic isn't common in other regions than the Middle East which is understandable of course.
Again I am really thankful for your reply and hope that we can find a solution to tell if it is abusing the Wikipedia policy or not since I really appreciate this site and it's community. Mohab mazhar (talk) 03:22, 2 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
(talk page stalker) I'm afraid I cannot provide further existence if it is not on the English Wikipedia other than to say it may be best to seek out someone on the Arabic Wikipedia to help you out, but be advised that policy can and does normally differ depending on the regional Wiki (i.e. different languages). Apologies for not being much help, but perhaps @Redrose64: may still be able to provide you with assistance. Chieftain Tartarus(talk)15:41, 2 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry to bother you, especially with something which is probably a stupid/obvious FAQ and I am just not getting it, BUT:
I'm trying to get Tees Transporter Bridge so that if you click its geographical coordinates you see a localized version of the GeoHack page with the GB stuff like OS at the top right.
If I go to, say, Carluke railway station then click its coordinates it takes me here showing the GB stuff at top right as I would like.
If from Tees Transporter Bridge I click the same(ish) link then I go here to a more general version of the GeoHack page. The GB stuff is there, further down, but you have to scroll or search down for it.
You can see a couple of my inept attempt to fix this here. Obviously, it didn't work!
So, I hate to be a nuisance, but could you please enlighten me? Apologies in advance if it is painfully obvious and I am just being seriously dim. It would not be the first time. :( Thanks and best wishes DBaK (talk) 08:16, 1 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered: See this edit. The coords that you were editing were ignored because they were inside HTML comment markers; the coords displayed top right were actually generated by the infobox which gets its data from Wikidata. The thing to do is override the Wikidata coords by using the |coordinates= parameter in the infobox, and that allows you to set a value for region: Note that I didn't copy your region:GB-MDB - only half of the bridge is in Middlesbrough, the rest is in Port Clarence in the Borough of Stockton-on-Tees for which the ISO 3166-2:GB code is GB-STT. Since neither GB-MDB nor GB-STT is correct, it's best to use something more generic: either region:GB-ENG or the simpler form region:GB. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 14:46, 1 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Aha! Thank you so much for this lovely clear explanation, for sorting it out for me, and for stopping me from offending Stocktonians about their half! I see that I was thoroughly barking up the wrong tree and I'm most grateful to you for putting me right. Cheers, DBaK (talk) 15:48, 2 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Interqwark:WP:2SHORTCUTS says "The point of these template boxes is not to list every single redirect for any given page (indeed, that's what Special:Whatlinkshere is for); instead, they generally should list only one or two common and easily remembered redirects." Nothing about how different they should be. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:42, 4 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I don't hunt them down; I also don't reduce them to two on sight - when I notice somebody adding shortcuts in a way that takes it above two (whether from 0, 1 or 2 to 3, 2 to 4 or even from 9 to 10), I usually bring it back down to two. The way that I select the two to keep is based partly on how long they have been there, partly on how many incoming links each one has, partly on intuitiveness. So, when I spotted this edit, I selected the two to keep I found that WT:R had 16 incoming links; WT:REDIR had 5 incoming links; but WT:RDR had none, so the choice was obvious. I made a similar edit to the subject page on the same basis, and fixed some vandalism on the way. The intuitiveness factor was not necessary here, but it could have been (to somebody who used the CP/M operating system back in the 1970s, RDR is one of the input devices). --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 14:35, 5 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Who said anything about RFD? I removed them because we don't need more, MOS:ENGVAR has stood on its own for over seven years, people are used to it. What's AMENG anyway - something said when a preacher finishes a prayer? --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 16:07, 5 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
You only invented them today - less than six hours ago, to be exact. On what basis did you think that they would be "fine additions"? --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 16:51, 5 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Atsme and Dawnleelynn: It is never a good idea to arrange a wide table to look good on any given screen - you don't know how wide anybody else's screen is, nor what zoom level they are using. Even such things as browser configuration and installed fonts can make a difference. The best thing to do is to omit all formatting (other than appropriate use of header cells and data cells), including forced line breaks, and let the browser arrange the column widths.
On the matter of forced line breaks, the tags <br> and <br /> are equally valid, the space and the slash are both optional. A commonly-found invalid form is </br> which should either be removed, or altered to one of the others. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:33, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, thank you. I use the slash because of the highlighting feature in Preferences - without it, everything is pink highlighted from the first <br> until <br />. I added the formatting after the fact, so that was easy enough to undo. Atsme📞📧22:45, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Redrose, thanks for your help. We are converting several lists into tables in an existing article. But I'm doing the table in my sandbox first to keep the mainspace article unaffected. I looked the tag up in HTML documentation; it's been awhile since I've done HTML coding. I know that the tag <br /> is meant for xHtml, but see that many editors are replacing any other versions with this one. There is an editor who changes all of mine when I create new articles because I am set in my ways and use </br>, which as you say is a no-no. But now I am rethinking this and going try to use less. Of course, are instances when you really need one. But many times, there are other choices. Because I know exactly what you are saying. In my last job as a tech writer, I had Help web documentation that was mostly HTML tables that was for a company product and I knew that the programmers who were reading my Help documentation were using many OSes, browsers, and even cell phones to read it. So I let the table decide all of the formatting options. dawnleelynn(talk)23:11, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
72010 Hengist
Morning,
I am interested in why you reverted my update on 72010.
I am the commercial Director of the company building the locomotive, so I can assure you that any information that I add will be true, and as up to date as I can make it.
I have edited the page again, please leave as I have edited this time, as the information added is correct as of June 9th 2018.
In response to this edit summary, the documentation of Extension:SyntaxHighlight has suggested for years that <source>...</source> should generally be avoided in favor of <syntaxhighlight>...</syntaxhighlight>, since the former is a valid HTML element with an unrelated purpose; the latter tag was specifically introduced during MediaWiki 1.16 to work around this conflict. I have made this exact same change in several other places over the years, including in the sitewide CSS and JS files, and you're the first person to object to it. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy100020:19, 14 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Wales articles- thank you for your work.
Redrose64 I see you have kept an eye on sources being used in articles on subjects related to Wales and I believe I have a good source. I have listed it on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Wales "Parliament for Wales Campaign- potential source". As you can see by my atrocious use of wiki editing protocol, I am relatively new to editing here and ask you be gentle and please have a look at something I believe you will find helpful for this project. I am not yet of the caliber to construct such an article but believe your works speaks for itself. I have added this page to my watchlist, and look forward to peeking in occasionally to see the many things that you address as time allows. Respectfully, Mrphilip (talk) 06:32, 19 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Reply regarding WP:DELETE
Hi, as per this message, I posted there after reading the title of page REQUEST FOR CLOSURE that also mentions XfDs as I wanted to close or remove the discussion having same arguements even where I tried to include such parties of those fellow wikipedians who agreed with me for what I said and trying to proof is correct. Still the users from whom the article is protected doing same arguments, same unsourced thinkings, same unauthentic sources provided same to same, I tried to delete discussion by myself, tried to close discussion by myself but no one is listening. See, WWE.com still lists Cruiserweight Wrestlers under RAW Section as well as they have their own section 205 Live too. regarding this issue outside wikipedia I saw that this is a rumor as WWE.com even company itself hasn't made any announcement officially also. I know they aren't making appearances on RAW but that doesn't mean that they aren't RAW Rosters. it seems to be discussions full of arguements has been initiated at 10:25, 16 June 2018 (UTC) especially what I requrested for deletion(that discussion). You can see my talkpage for block templates for proof as well as events and incidents happened for why I got blocked. I need this thing to be cleared and closed i.e why I did requests.
Well, the changes are same regarding 205 Live and RAW as what I wanted at article List of WWE personnel. I don't wanted to reply there where you've left me message So I visited your talk page to respond, Thanks. CK (talk) 20:11, 19 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Broken nutshell: From what I can tell, you wish the article List of WWE personnel to be deleted: but WP:AN/RFC is not for initiating deletion discussions. It does mention XFDs, and has a heading "Deletion discussions"; the purpose of this is for requesting formal closure of an existingXFD that is still open but perhaps has stalled, and where consensus is not clear. For example, an AFD that has been open for a month or so and been relisted something like three times.
Since it has been to AFD before, and closed as "nomination withdrawn", you have two possible routes as described at WP:DELETE: speedy deletion (but you need to be certain that one or another of the criteria listed at WP:CSD will stick); or start a fresh AFD - see the directions at WP:AFDHOWTO for how to proceed, bearing in mind the extra procudures noted as "if this article has been nominated before". --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:49, 19 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
We ask them. Beyond My Ken, why are you insisting that "Further reading" not be a level 2 heading (quote: "It's ridiculous to have an entire hierarchical section for one lone book") when the "External links" section also contains a single entry, yet you seem perfectly happy for it to have a level 2 heading? --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:02, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Template : Caledonian Railway (Carstairs to Edinburgh) RDT
On looking at the RDT, the line connection areas to the north of Slateford seem "jagged". Is there anything that you can do to correct matters, please. Useddenim'Bold text' seems to be away from Wikipedia according to his notes.
I've partially fixed it but the right hand line still needs more attention (search for 3+1). Note that I've naughtily put a dark corner on the light diagonal: please fix if you can find a syntax for doing so! Certes (talk) 16:00, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It appears to have been broken in this edit. You'll need a {{Routemap}} expert for that, I'm not (and have stated as such on several occasions) - best bet is Jc86035 (talk·contribs) who converted it from {{BS-map}} in November 2017. If it were still {{BS-map}} I'd be able to sort it, no trouble. At first glance, it looks like some of the icons are narrower than square. The Slateford Junction row, for example, has a width of 1+1⁄2. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 16:25, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
You have previously attended or expressed an interest in attending a meetup in Bristol. I am organising one for this summer - provisionally Saturday 1 September 2018. For details see m:Meetup/Bristol/3 to join the discussion, including expressing preferences about dates and venues, see the talk page at m:Talk:Meetup/Bristol/3. Thryduulf (talk) 18:35, 30 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Many thanks. I had a suspicion that might be it when I looked at the log but I couldn't confirm that. Thanks also for mentioning that expiry time is now autodetected. Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk22:48, 30 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Blank lines in talk pages
I question this edit to a talk page. You invoke the indentation section of "Manual of Style/Accessibility". I am not prepared to accept this guideline at all, because it does not prominently answer the question "if we don't have the technology, at this moment, to make a feature that is usable to users with no accessibility issues, should we disable the feature, or should we make it available to users with no accessibility issues, or make it available and work toward making it more accessible"?
This applies to your edit in that the only widely used method of editing talk pages is to use the colon to indent contributions. If a contribution consists of more than one paragraph, the only widely used way to create a blank line between the paragraphs, so that readers can see that the paragraph exists, is to write a paragraph preceded by n colons, a blank line, and then another paragraph preceded by n colons. What is your solution to this issue? Jc3s5h (talk) 17:04, 3 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
But it wasn't paragraphs. It was colon-indented: and this is MediaWiki's way of creating an association list. In MediaWiki, any blank line in a list causes termination of the list and the commencement of another list, which has implications for screen reader software. Let's consider the second group of line removals, but trimmed down to the first 7/8 words of each line. Without the blank lines, this is
:OMG I just looked for where this has
::Thanks, {{para|order|out}} is exactly what I need.
::As suggested by the description above ("rather weird"),
::I guess my question is, why is
and the generated HTML is
<dl><dd>OMG I just looked for where this has
<dl><dd>Thanks, <codeclass="nowrap">|order=out</code> is exactly what I need.</dd><dd>As suggested by the description above ("rather weird"),</dd><dd>I guess my question is, why is</dd></dl></dd></dl>
There are two <dl>...</dl> elements, and four <dd>...</dd> elements. However, with blank lines, as in
:OMG I just looked for where this has
::Thanks, {{para|order|out}} is exactly what I need.
::As suggested by the description above ("rather weird"),
::I guess my question is, why is
the generated HTML is
<dl><dd>OMG I just looked for where this has</dd></dl><dl><dd><dl><dd>Thanks, <codeclass="nowrap">|order=out</code> is exactly what I need.</dd></dl></dd></dl><dl><dd><dl><dd>As suggested by the description above ("rather weird"),</dd></dl></dd></dl><dl><dd><dl><dd>I guess my question is, why is</dd></dl></dd></dl>
The first thing that you notice is that it is much longer. There are now seven <dl>...</dl> elements and seven <dd>...</dd> elements. Each one needs to be read out by screen reader software; and somebody like Graham87 (talk·contribs) is not going to be happy to hear "End of list. End of list." repeatedly when still only part-way through the discussion thread. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 18:22, 3 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I'm aware that talk pages misuse the colons for things that really aren't lists. But you have not answered my question: How do I prepare a talk page reply that contains more than one paragraph, in a way that will be familiar to other editors and that they will know how to deal with? Jc3s5h (talk) 19:39, 3 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
WP:INDENTGAP is part of the Manual of Style. The MOS does not apply to talk pages; the very first sentence of the page says "This is a guide to editing articles for accessibility." (I added the italics for emphasis). Talk pages should generally not be edited to bring them into compliance with the MOS. — Carl (CBM · talk) 20:42, 3 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
"Accessibility" as a general concept may apply to all namespaces, but the MOS page MOS:ACCESS does not - it explicitly says that it is a page about editing articles. Your argument would be stronger if you had pointed at WP:TALK, which also has something about blank lines between comments. We don't want to start a trend of people point to MOS guidelines for talk pages.
But I think it would be more productive to discuss the question Jc3s5h asked -- how should someone format an indented response that has more than one paragraph, in a way to leave a space between the paragraphs? Based on looking at the results generated by these examples [1] it looks like one of the two options in LISTGAP does not work - in my browser an empty dd has height 0px. So to follow INDENTGAP a bare paragraph tag is needed instead of a blank line. But I think I have almost never seen someone use a paragraph tag in that way in practice. — Carl (CBM · talk) 21:57, 3 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Thank you --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 07:14, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
Fixed, thanks for the ping. By the way, the module does respect noinclude but I see that as a last resort. I'd prefer to find out about such problems so that they can be solved in the module rather than by adding noinclude tags to potentially large numbers of articles. Module:Excerpt may have gained 1500 transclusions but it's still supposed to be in alpha test so it's not too late to fix this sort of thing. Certes (talk) 00:26, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
Template:Editnotices/Page/Template:Rail-interchange has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 12:45, 30 June 2018 (UTC)