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Tips for the angry new user - Gamaliel
Staying cool when the editing gets hot!
If you came here just to insult me, I will delete your comments without a reply.
And if I wasn't involved, personal attacks clearly warrant a block.
RevDel Request
Thank you for deleting the attack page that used a homophobic slur against someone. Can you please revision delete the following revisions as it is grossly offensive (dehumanisation): first revision to second revision. Note, for the first revision please delete the edit summary as well. Thanks. Train of Knowledge (Talk) 04:59, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
- Also, I forgot to mention to delete the person's username from the edits as well (for both edits obviously) as it is borderline attacking someone. Train of Knowledge (Talk) 05:02, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
- I think it is taken care of, Train of Knowledge. Let me know if there is something I missed. Liz Read! Talk! 05:05, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
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LOL, nice touch with your user page! Toad62 14:56, 1 April 2021 (UTC) |
In a weird way though it looks cool! I'm going to try it out myself! Toad62 15:00, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
- I borrowed it from another editor so I can't take credit for it. Liz Read! Talk! 20:09, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
Well still, that's hilarious! Toad62 23:52, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
No evidence provided
Regarding.... Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/COVID-19 there is no evidence provided for a consensus regarding the "ban" claim. [1], [2]. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 20:00, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
- There may not be a consensus but here is a precedence for deleting COVID-19 joke pages. Are you actually asking for it to be restored for four more hours before it will be deleted again? Liz Read! Talk! 20:07, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
- It doesn't matter the topic.... what bothers me is a lack of consensus and communication. If it's not allowed then it should be clearly stated rather than go through this every year. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 20:09, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
- Anyways I am going to add it to WP:FOOLR then with links to the CSDs. No use repeating the same thing and expecting different results... - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 20:13, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
- I wouldn't be surprised if it's not written down. It's a matter of taste, just like we wouldn't have joke pages about Nazis, war, prison, the Japanese tsunami, hate crimes, AIDS or racial violence. Liz Read! Talk! 21:24, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
Administrators' newsletter – April 2021
News and updates for administrators from the past month (March 2021).
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- Following a request for comment, F7 (invalid fair-use claim) subcriterion a has been deprecated; it covered immediate deletion of non-free media with invalid fair-use tags.
- Following a request for comment, page movers were granted the
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userright, which allows moving a page over a single-revision redirect, regardless of that redirect's target.
- When you move a page that many editors have on their watchlist the history can be split and it might also not be possible to move it again for a while. This is because of a job queue problem. (T278350)
- Code to support some very old web browsers is being removed. This could cause issues in those browsers. (T277803)
- A community consultation on the Arbitration Committee discretionary sanctions procedure is open until April 25.
Hi Liz, I was wondering if I could see what the Bixton page looked like before speedy deletion? When I have looked, it seems to be a valid surname page/dab, an index of articles MOS:DABMENTIONing people with this surname. All the best, Boleyn (talk) 09:03, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
Done, Boleyn. Liz Read! Talk! 15:14, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks :) Boleyn (talk) 21:49, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
Category:Templates for merging
Hi! Am I missing something, but why did you tag Category:Templates for merging for speedy deletion? Has the specific TfM use case been deprecated or something? Also pinging UnitedStatesian who tagged it similarly earlier. — HELLKNOWZ ▎TALK 21:20, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, Hellknowz,
- With a few exceptions, empty categories are tagged for deletion, although they sit for 7 days before deletion in case they were emptied out-of-process or a mistake has happened. It is not uncommon for a category to be temporarily empty and then the tag is removed. If you believe that this category should be retained, even if it is empty, you can tag it {{emptycat}} and that will mean that it doesn't show up on our daily lists of empty categories. Liz Read! Talk! 21:43, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
er, hahah
seems fine, not sure where all the indonesian tallest buildings went - maybe the skyscraper enthusiasm moved it all sidways - please feel free to remove whatever, and thanks.. JarrahTree 13:36, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
- Okay, JarrahTree, I will have to go back into my contributions & logs to see what page you are talking about. But glad I have your blessing! Liz Read! Talk! 17:26, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
UNDELETING Nuhu Muzaata Batte
Hello Comrade Liz, i am kindly requesting that you undelete Nuhu Muzaata Batte, it had been recommended and tagged for deleting citing copyright infringement which i had immediately corrected and cleaned. I therefore Kindly request that you undelete.Thank you very much. Ibitukirire (talk) 21:34, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, Ibitukirire,
- Since there were questions about the content, I have restored this page, moved it into Draft space and submitted it to Articles for Creation for review. You can still work on the page and can find it at Draft:Nuhu Muzaata Batte. Please do not move it to the main space of the project without being reviewed or it is likely to be deleted again. Liz Read! Talk! 22:03, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
Thank you very much @ Liz, but I will not make any edits on that draft, I know other people will do so and modify it further. This is because I have realised my edits are being mistaken by some editors non disclosed paid edits when I reality I do not have any penny received nor in any way connected to the subjects. I have already been warned by NJD-DE that I will be blocked from further editing given the nature of my edits, hence the my decision to first hold on, observe and learn before any serious edits. Thank you very much Ibitukirire (talk) 22:18, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Ibitukirire, not doing anything with this draft might not be the best idea though either. When loading the draft into earwig's copyvio detector I still see a lot of sentences that are very close to the original sites. To my taste too many and too close. – NJD-DE (talk) 22:43, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
- If that is the case, Then I will work on it later I need to take some rest, As it is 1:55AM here, thank you. Ibitukirire (talk)`
Revdel Request
Hi Liz, Revdel Request per WP:BLPCRIME for [3], individual named w/o conviction. CommanderWaterford (talk) 18:06, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
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GSMArena
Hi! You have deleted the GSMArena article, which was marked for speedy deletion. There were multiple, independent reliable secondary sources added to the article. Two users asked not to delete it on the talk page. Can you undo the removal? Thanks. 08:17, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, Editor,
- I'm willing to restore it if I can move it to your user space or Draft space and you submit it to WP:AFC for review when you believe it is ready. If you move it back into main space, I can guarantee that it will be deleted again and it is likely that the title will be protected so that there will never be an article with that title. Secondly, always sign your talk page comments with four tildes (~~~~) so I can see who I'm talking to. Liz Read! Talk! 02:25, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Liz: Hi, I can submit it to AFC, but I'm not understanding why it was deleted in the first place. WP:A7 is "a lower standard than notability." according to the guideline. Although the article was just a stub, I think it passes WP:GNG because it had multiple sources that were reliable, secondary, independent. Sorry for forgetting my signature. PhotographyEdits (talk) 08:56, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
Draftify Online Khabar
Hi Liz, I was thinking to work on Online Khabar after seeing it had a chance of deletion. I found few reliable sources so I thought I will improve it. But today, when I came back, I noticed that the article is already deleted. That's fine. But I request you to draftify it so that I can work on it. I know I can start afresh but that will be a disrespect to the previous authors work. Could you draftify it? Thanks, nirmal (talk) 10:18, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, nirmal,
- I have restored the article and moved it to Draft:Online Khabar. Please know that the editor who tagged your page for deletion wanted the title to be "salted" which means that the title would be protected so that there will never be an article with this name. What this means is that if you move it directly back into the main space of the project, it will be deleted and there will never be an article called Online Khabar. What you can do is make this article as noncommercial as possible and submit it for review at Articles for Creation. This is seriously your only option at this point if you want there to be an article on this subject on Wikipedia.
- If you need help and advice, I recommend visiting the Teahouse or WT:AFC. Liz Read! Talk! 02:33, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Liz: Thanks. BTW, its not "my" page. It was started by some other guy. Regards! nirmal (talk) 05:58, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
KSI Albums.
Just to give you a little history here. The article KSI (entertainer) was renamed mid-March to KSI. Timiwiki... then created new cats and started moving all the articles. I jumped in and listed for speedy under C2D (where somebody has objected, but in the wrong place!). I also notified Timwiki... 3 times about various things. I don't care how this is sorted, but perhaps you might have an idea. --Richhoncho (talk) 14:11, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
- PS. Speedy declined. --Richhoncho (talk) 14:57, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, Richhoncho,
- It looks like KSI (entertainer) is now a redirect. I know nothing much about YouTube but even I have heard of KSI although I didn't know he had albums. But we don't typically have categories on individuals. And Liz Read! Talk! 02:36, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
Candyce Kelshall draft page
Hello Liz, please help me to recover my deleted material so I can improv it and resubmit it. It is not spam or promotional, it is part of the Women in red project with King's College London, to visibilize women scholars. If it sound too promotional might be because it is my first time. I will rework it so to comply with the rules. Please help me to recover my material. Thanks
- Hello, Editor,
- First, give me a link to the deleted page so I can see why it was deleted. Secondly, sign all of your talk page comments with four tildes (~~~~) so I can see what your name is. Liz Read! Talk! 02:22, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
Hello Liz, this is all I can see now https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=-_Candyce_Kelshall&action=edit&redlink=1 please help me to recover my deleted material so I can improv it and resubmit it. It is not spam or promotional, it is part of the Women in red project with King's College London, to visibilize women scholars. If it sound too promotional might be because it is my first time. I will rework it so to comply with the rules. Please help me to recover my material. Thanks JMH2021 (talk) 22:26, 7 April 2021 (UTC)JMH2021JMH2021 (talk) 22:26, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, JMH2021,
- I've restored it to User:JMH2021/Sandbox. I wouldn't have chosen to delete it but it's a judgment call. It's waiting to be reviewed by an WP:AFC reviewer but you can still work on it. I'm not an expert on content creation but I think you really have to cut it down. Be selective in what you include, you shouldn't mention everything she has done and every publication. It's so lengthy that I can see why it was seen as promotional as it reads like a resume or CV (what we refer to as a LinkedIn biography which is not a compliment). If you have questions, you can visit WT:AFC or the Teahouse. Liz Read! Talk! 22:39, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
Hello Liz, Thank you very nmuch for recovering adn the feedback, appreciated. JMH2021 (talk) 07:36, 8 April 2021 (UTC)JMH2021
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Undeletion
Hi, if you look at the logs for This Is a Robbery: The World's Greatest Art Heist [4] you deleted it just after I restored the original article to its location fulfilling a WP:RM/TR request. This article was sourced and moved to draft without an explanation when it would probably need AfD to determine notability. (t · c) buidhe 03:14, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
- Pinging Thriley who made the move request. (t · c) buidhe 03:14, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
- Okay, I don't understand why the page was tagged for deletion then and the talk page wasn't moved to Draft space with the article. I'LL restore the deleted edits and you can move the talk page back. This wasn't made very clear. Liz Read! Talk! 03:18, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for clearing that up! (t · c) buidhe 03:25, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
Editing Henry Clifford De Meillon (1800-1859)
Hello Liz You notified me that my edits were deleted as they were inactive over 6 months. Reason is I was waiting for replies to this one and to another. I am sorry but I find communications tedious and cannot easily reply as by email. I was unable to reverse the edit. If you have time to review what I had written in reply to others it would be appreciated. Basically, there are two issues.
1. I am the most knowledgeable person about HC De Meillon's life as I have recently had a book published on him and his ancestors: De Meillon’s Legacy – Art, Science and War by L.J. Cabri & R.W. James. Footprint Press, Hermanus, South Africa [www.footprintpress.co.za] 2020. 227 pp. Price R650.00 (hard cover). ISBN 978-1-990980-86-2
Why can't I edit the many mistakes? 2. Someone had created an entry for me that is also riddled with errors. Why can't I correct them.
Thanks Louis J. Cabri lcabri@sympatico.ca
- Hello, Louis,
- First it would be great if you gave me a direct link to the page of the deleted article or your username. Second, if it was deleted as a CSD G13, that is a stale draft, you don't need to explain to me what you plan to do with it, it was only deleted because there had been no editing activity on it for six months. We want to see that editors are working to improve drafts and after six months, we assume they have been abandoned. It frequently happens that new editors start articles and then never return to work on them. Liz Read! Talk! 23:30, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
you've got mail
Hi Liz, I woudl apprecaite your advice. Is this page a good example of a non-promotional Bio https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lauren_Southern ?? thanks :) JMH2021 (talk) 20:52, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
Weather Categories
Besides the Category set I am currently working on, are there are other red-linked ones? NoahTalk 03:08, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, Noah,
- I generally look at Special:WantedCategories to see red link categories that need to be dealt with. A new list is generated every three days. The next one will be appearing tomorrow, April 10th. Liz Read! Talk! 19:08, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
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Thanks for deleting the many drafts I've been tagging for G3 and G11. Noah 💬 19:04, 9 April 2021 (UTC) |
- Well, -noah-, you are certainly on a roll! Thank you so much for posting a talk page notice for the page creators. You might be surprised to know that some of our long-term editors started out as youthful vandals...there is always a possibility they will get the message and turn into contributors. Liz Read! Talk! 19:10, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
Mar dun ga
It feels like they are harassing UPE's. Fittingly as they're user name translates roughly as "you are dead". I think I will block based on the user name. I AGF'd a warning, they've not responded. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 02:05, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, Deepfriedokra,
- I think a block would be appropriate. Personally, I'm reluctant to block unless there is ongoing disruption but I think there are a lot of red flags with this editor and peculiar behavior for a new editor. Liz Read! Talk! 02:07, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
Skimmermotion
Hi. The article Skimmermotion refers to a 2013 invention that has been sold since that year. It's not advertising. Its a real invention. The invention changed the way the pools were cleaned. On Wikipedia there is an article dedicated to pool cleaning. This article is written historically and technically and does not seek to be advertising. The team of inventors is venezuelans who are now Americans. See Automated pool cleaner in wikipedia I respectfully ask you to reconsider the measure of deleting the article.
- First, there needs to be substantial coverage of this invention by mainstream newspapers, magazines, books, media websites, etc. Second, please sign all talk page comments with four tildes (~~~~) so I can see who is leaving this message. Liz Read! Talk! 03:32, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
Hi Liz!
Hello how are you Liz ? can you review this article [[5]] if it is ok can you move it to Article space thanks a lot --Istanbul1453Istanbul (talk) 08:24, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, Istanbul1453Istanbul,
- I don't review drafts, you should submit it to Articles for Creation to editors who review new articles. They will offer helpful advice and let you know if it is ready for main space. Liz Read! Talk! 04:05, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
restoring page
Hi Liz, You offered to restore my page PrOphecy Sun to my sandbox. As no one bothered to read my contestation of the speedy deletion and the fact that 4 more references were included. I may as well put it thought the review process. BF (talk) 11:22, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
- Okay, I'll restore it. I thought it was hastily deleted when it was in the process of being reviewed. Liz Read! Talk! 04:05, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
- BF, it is now at User:Thebaconfairy/Sandbox. Please let me know if another editor attempts to move or deletes your draft before it can be reviewed by WP:AFC reviewers and I'll provide my explanation. Liz Read! Talk! 04:12, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
Category:Federal electoral districts of Montreal
Hi Liz, I am disagreeing the Category:Federal electoral districts of Montreal for speedy deletion for CSD C1. I have already restored the category I have created the category since 2011. I am against a similar category Category:Federal electoral districts of Montreal and Laval because it has no province name for the article Laval, Quebec. I have now put Category:Federal electoral districts of Montreal and Laval for CSD C1. For my request could delete Category:Federal electoral districts of Montreal and Laval for speedy deletion under CSD C! and I want to keep the category Category:Federal electoral districts of Montreal. Rememeber delete Category:Federal electoral districts of Montreal and Laval and Category:Federal electoral districts of Montreal will be kept. OK? Thanks. Steam5 (talk) 03:29, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, Steam5,
- Why on Earth are you BOLDING words here?
- Except for a few, limited exceptions, empty categories are tagged for deletion. If, after 7 days, they are still empty, they are deleted. If they are not empty, the tag is removed. If an empty category is deleted and it is later needed, it can be restored, no problem. Those are the rules. Liz Read! Talk! 03:56, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
"Lexi Rabe" listed at Redirects for discussion
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Lexi Rabe. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 April 9#Lexi Rabe until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. IronManCap (talk) 17:31, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
Problem user
Hi Liz. I think we have a problem user, namely Ndeofm. You have deleted some of their contributions already. They have also created a userpage for the nonexistent account "NdeofmBot", making it seem like a bot. On their own userpage, they also imply that it's a bot account. They also include misleading userboxes to make it appear like they are an administrator and have an edit count much higher than it really is. I can tell that the userpage is actually a mashed up copy of my userpage.
I believe they are a native speaker of Indonesian, as they have been active on Indonesian Wikipedia and seem to indicate being from Indonesia on their userpage. So there is probably a language barrier, if not also some WP:CIR issues. Can you recommend an appropriate response so that they aren't posing as an admin or bot owner? Thanks. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 17:21, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, Drm310,
- I just looked into this and it looks like their Bot pages were quickly deleted, thanks for tagging them. Although they created their account in 2012, they have only been active for about a week or so, so I'll leave them a note and remove any inappropriate userboxes. At this point, I see red flags but nothing blockworthy so I'll just keep tabs on them. Liz Read! Talk! 01:21, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
- I'm afraid to say that they have once again added an admin userbox to their userpage. They've also received a bunch of new warnings about creating garbage pages. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 14:31, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
- I added another warning. I'm giving him/her one more chance. Liz Read! Talk! 19:48, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
- I'm afraid to say that they have once again added an admin userbox to their userpage. They've also received a bunch of new warnings about creating garbage pages. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 14:31, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
Question about CSD tagging for CSK#4
Hi! Thanks for the edit and explanation here about the {{db-banned}} tag on speedy keep AfDs. In general, where should the CSD tag be placed on the page when an AfD satisfies WP:CSK#4: (
the nominated page is speedily kept while the nomination can be removed from the log, tagged with {{db-banned}} and speedily deleted as a banned contribution.
— Wikipedia:Speedy keep
Should it be placed under the section header to prevent it from being transcluded to the main AfD page? The instructions in the guideline may need a slight re-wording so the steps for handling these cases is a little clearer. — MarkH21talk 00:51, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, MarkH21,
- Yes, unfortunately, CSD tags causes the AFD main page and AFD sorting pages to show up in Category:Candidates for speedy deletion as having been created by blocked or banned users which might confuse patrolling admins. If it was me, I'd just alert an admin you are friendly with about the situation rather than tagging the pages which are transcluded. As for me, I think retaining deletion discussions can be useful even if they are initiated by sockpuppets which is why I didn't delete them. But I'm sure it would be difficult to find an admin who agrees with your position. Liz Read! Talk! 00:59, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks! I would actually also lean towards your position. Should the wording about {{db-banned}}-tagging at WP:CSK be revised then? Maybe I should just bring this up at Wikipedia talk:Speedy keep? — MarkH21talk 01:04, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
- I don't think it ever hurts to bring up issues like this on policy talk pages. Some of them aren't on many Watchlists and won't receive many responses but others, like WT:CSD, have a lot of very experienced editors and admins who keep tabs on discussions there and can offer their opinions. Liz Read! Talk! 01:18, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks! I would actually also lean towards your position. Should the wording about {{db-banned}}-tagging at WP:CSK be revised then? Maybe I should just bring this up at Wikipedia talk:Speedy keep? — MarkH21talk 01:04, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
Red Link Categories
Thank you for the information, but I'm actually not sure about which ones you're referring to? Are these the categories in the Standings Templates? Or on the Men's Volleyball Conference Tournament pages? If so, you should know I actually plan on creating season team pages for each of the teams that wins their respective conference as well as those that make the NCAA Tournament. They would actually fall in the same categories as some of the red links. I was planning on waiting until the tourneys are done to do those pages because I've previously been told that I shouldn't create a category UNLESS at least two Wiki pages links to it. So are two different policies in play, or is someone misinforming people like myself? I'm more than willing to do what is asked without any problem, but I need to know which one to follow.Bigddan11 (talk) 22:42, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, Bigddan11,
- I actually had to go search through my contributions because I've been removing a lot of red link categories today that showed up on Special:WantedCategories.
- The page that prompted my message to you was Template:Mountain Pacific Sports Federation Volleyball Tournament navbox. I removed the red link categories because they were part of a template and were showing up on article pages as well. The problem with templates and userboxes is that if they have a red link category, it shows up on every page where they are placed. Any way, if you'd like to create the categories, just revert my edit. If you'd like someone else to create the categories for you, you can go to Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Redirects and categories.
- I hope this helps explain my too-short message to you. If there is a next time, I'll try to include more helpful information. Liz Read! Talk! 22:58, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
Guidelines for manual archiving at ANI
Hey, I was just kinda curious about this - what are the guidelines you use for when to manually archive threads at ANI? (asking you since you're the most recent person to do it and seem to have a good idea of what's going on) Thanks! Elli (talk | contribs) 18:09, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, Elli,
- Sorry I missed your message when you first posted it. I use to do a lot of archiving at ANI when I was a new editor but I don't go there very often since I became an admin. For ANI, I usually wait at least three dates after the cases have been closed. If the page isn't very crowded, I leave them longer. I think there is an official minimum of 24 hours after a case is closed before it is archived but I think that is too short of a period for editors who participated in the discussion to see the conclusion. For AN, I leave the threads much longer, more like 5 days, because it is not as busy as a noticeboard. Just a reminder that should you decide to close a case yourself, please add {{nac}} to your statement, either at the beginning or by your signature. I hope this helps. Liz Read! Talk! 19:49, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks! Elli (talk | contribs) 19:51, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
Hello. I intend to create the category above. Noticing the title has been previously deleted by you on grounds of C1 (empty), and per instructions in the header on the creation page, I am contacting you. This is part of an effort to cleanup and reorganize categorization related to prehistoric life in North America. The category in question will be a subcategory of Category:Lists of prehistoric life in the United States and Category:Paleozoic life of North America and will be populated by articles in the form "List of the Paleozoic life of 'U.S. state X'". It will serve similar function as Category:Lists of the Mesozoic life of the United States by state. May I go forward on this? Are there any problems you are aware? --DB1729 (talk) 13:26, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, DB1729,
- This category was deleted simply because it was empty. However, since there is no permanent list of category contents, it's difficult to know what pages it held before and why it was emptied.
- I can restore it as soon as an article is assigned to the category. I'd rather restore it than have it recreated so it retains its edit history. Liz Read! Talk! 15:27, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
- I have just added an article to it. You may now restore it if that's how you prefer and I will take it from there. Thanks. --DB1729 (talk) 15:33, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
GT name in Talk:John Morrison and the Miz
Hey, the name of the Good Topic changed (to better accord with MoS), so the name used in the article history template on this page does need to change, also; the solution to the redlink category is to create the corrected category, which I've now done. Thanks for noticing the category issue; I didn't even realize that GT/FTs created category membership like that! -Bryan Rutherford (talk) 20:23, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, Bryan,
- If there are other pages in the misspelled category, you should request a speedy category rename at Categories for Discussion to keep the edit history of the original, misspelled category and so that other pages are reassigned.
- I was just going through Special:WantedCategories and a lot of these red link categories are due to an editor changing a template and not realizing that it created a new category so you are right about that. Thanks! Liz Read! Talk! 20:29, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
- Yeah, thanks for the cleanup work! I do a lot of the same kind of work in categories relating to Good Articles. That's a good point about trying to preserve category history; I'll try that the next time. Thanks! -Bryan Rutherford (talk) 20:40, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
Hossein Mohammadi Vahidi
I wanted to know why you deleted this article? New resources and a new award have been added to this article, which proves the reputation. What is the reason for this?--Jackpet11 (talk) 08:15, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
I can edit the article. It was not all copying. Please be reasonable. I ask you to retrieve the article and give me another chance because it will disappoint me--Jackpet11 (talk) 08:16, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
- Admin Athaenara laid out all of the reason for deletion here on their talk page. I stand by their conclusions. Liz Read! Talk! 00:44, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
Please give me another chance to edit and improve the article. I understand that you should not break the copyright law. Please help and turn this page--Jackpet11 (talk) 04:33, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
please answer me. I made an extensive edit of this article. It is available on my sandbox page. Please check if it is good? I am waiting for your answer--Jackpet11 (talk) 04:35, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
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Nice CSD work. Sorry, I didn't notice that it couldn't have been speedied.. CutlassCiera 16:21, 20 April 2021 (UTC) |
Your removal of the CSD Tag
Hi Liz, you removed the CSD A10 Tag at Openings (The Queen's Gambit) - it seems to me that you perhaps did not read the article entirely. 95% of this article are about the already exiting Article so CSD A10 applies. CommanderWaterford (talk) 16:49, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
- Looks like we have both edited this page again and I think you resolved the issue. Liz Read! Talk! 19:38, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
Guillermo Alonso Martínez Espinoza
Hi - You recently blocked User:Guillermo Alonso Martínez Espinoza. I suspect that this is the same editor: User:Guillermo Alonso Martínez Espinoza at Torreon LLC. They are following a similar editing pattern. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 19:15, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, Dormskirk,
- Actually, I never blocked Guillermo Alonso Martínez Espinoza but I do agree that they are the same editor so I've blocked Guillermo Alonso Martínez Espinoza at Torreon LLC as a sockpuppet. Liz Read! Talk! 19:37, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
- My mistake...I now see you declined the unblock. Many thanks for getting involved again. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 21:39, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
- No problem, Dormskirk. This was a pretty clear cut case. Liz Read! Talk! 00:45, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
- My mistake...I now see you declined the unblock. Many thanks for getting involved again. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 21:39, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
Thx So Much Liz
Liz i just want to say thank you so much for letting me in on the teahouse group is a honor for me to be in a special place if u wanna chat i here!!!
Sincerly, Phantom Digital
- Hello, Phantom Digital,
- Glad to help. If I hadn't discovered the Teahouse when I started editing regularly in 2013, I wouldn't have continued to edit. I was very frustrated with being corrected by other editors and the enforcement of policies I didn't understand and I was basically complaining a lot. The Teahouse regulars at that time were very patient explaining how things were done here on Wikipedia while I tried to speed up the learning curve so I wasn't making so many mistakes. Liz Read! Talk! 02:16, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
Question about deleted sandbox
Hi Liz, I noticed that my sandbox was deleted on April 8th, 2021. I'm a new user and was practicing in my draft space. I was wondering if you could please revert my sandbox. Thanks in advance for any help! Ketchum.e (talk) 16:28, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, Ketchum.e,
- I did delete your sandbox but all that was there was a broken redirect to User talk:The Daily Wire which is where you moved your sandbox. There is nothing to restore on that page. You'll have to talk to CambridgeBayWeather who deleted User talk:The Daily Wire as it was a page mistakenly put into user space and there is no editor with that name so it was deleted as the page of a nonexistent user. Liz Read! Talk! 00:50, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
- Replying here for convenience. Ketchum.e it was partly deleted because there isn't a user by that name but also because it was tagged as a "Article for Creation" and it was a duplicate of an existing article. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 16:50, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
Hi allCambridgeBayWeather - It was not a new article but rather proposed changes to the existing article. I'm new to all of this so I'm sorry if it was tagged incorrectly. Can you please revert the deletion and I will make the appropriate changes?
- Ketchum.e I restored it to User:Ketchum.e/sandbox. Cheers. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 22:23, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
Question
Did you scold me for using an inappropriate term? If so, I apologize for not using better terminology, and I'm open to suggestions. Lay some on me, I'm all eyes. Atsme 💬 📧 20:13, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, Atsme,
- It actually wasn't a comment about any individual editor but about the climate that exists right now in the American political area. I think after the past few years, people are divided up into camps. I don't know the articles and talk pages well enough to know who supports what I just see evidence of this polarity on noticeboards and arbitration enforcement complaints. I don't visit the Trump/Biden/Congress/Washington, DC articles as it has seemed there are plenty of editors keeping watch over them. Liz Read! Talk! 00:45, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
- I agree, it has become a highly toxic area. Take a look at the attacks on me for simply requesting review of a close. Also look at the discussion on the closer's TP because that's where I went first, and then you'll have a bigger picture of what took place. I don't understand it. It's like you described but worse. All one has to do is oppose or question or simply express their view - and boom - they become a target of aspersions and/or ridicule. It's appalling behavior and to think it happened at AN, of all places, and nothing was said. It's really sad. 😢 Atsme 💬 📧 01:26, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
Recreated Robert Turner (Bahá'í)
Hi Liz,
I recreated the Robert Turner article that was recently deleted because of copyright issues. I rewrote everything so that no content was copied / pasted from https://bahaipedia.org/Robert_Turner.
You can find the new article here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Turner_(Bahá%27%C3%AD)
Please let me know if there are any additional issues with the article that I can address.
Thanks! Nonameplayer (talk) 00:21, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, Nonameplayer,
- According to our Copyright tool here, there aren't any copyright problems any more. Looks like an interesting article. Congratulations! Liz Read! Talk! 00:53, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2021 April 21 Millimetre of rain
User SCP-053 has challenged your delete per CSD R3 of their redirect — Charles Stewart (talk) 05:17, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, Charles Stewart,
- Okie doke, thanks for letting me know. Liz Read! Talk! 05:26, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for alerting me
Hello, dear Liz, thank you for alerting me about the empty Category:Filipino contemporary pianists page. It was a work in progress that fell through the cracks for just a few days. I have now added entries into this Category. Cheers! Buszmail (talk) 08:45, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, Buszmail,
- That's how you should think of these talk page notices, as reminders. Glad you could progress with the category. Liz Read! Talk! 19:38, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
Revdel request
Hello. Would you carry out a revdel (RD#2 Grossly insulting, degrading, or offensive material) at the BLP articles, Arjun Tendulkar, Bobby Deol, and Tiger Shroff. Foul language in Hindi added by an IP 59.92.75.60. Thanks in advance. -- Ab207 (talk) 19:14, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, Ab207,
- I think I took care of everything. Let me know if there is anything I missed. Liz Read! Talk! 19:44, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you for the swift action! -- Ab207 (talk) 04:40, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
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Becky Bear Mahoney
Hi, Liz. I saw that you declined my CSD nomination of Draft:Becky Bear Mahoney. Should I just wait out the six months before it gets deleted as stale? Or would you say that my nomination was overly BITEy?
Best wishes, Sdrqaz (talk) 02:47, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, Sdrqaz,
- It's a judgment call. Some admins would have just deleted the page. But I think when it only contains a few words, I'd prefer to just blank it. Deleting a page for a new editor when the page isn't really objectionable or damaging just seems like overkill. There's a good chance that the editor will not return to edit it. I usually see this situation when editors tag user pages that have a small amount of personal information and deleting those pages just seems a bit in-your-face as long as it's not promotional. But that's my opinion. Liz Read! Talk! 02:53, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
- I see, Liz. I just felt that no good could have come out of it with "the absolute man". Thanks for sharing with me the nuances of these things. Yours, Sdrqaz (talk) 13:27, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
Deletion of PR for Poets
Hi Liz, the page PR for Poets was speedy deleted, and I would like to get the source code back so that I can work to improve it in a sandbox. (Someone else was supposed to follow-up on my article creation and do work on this, but it didn't happen before the speedy delete occurred.) Thanks!
Glenn777 (talk) 07:47, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, Glenn777,
- I have emailed you the content of the page. Liz Read! Talk! 18:50, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks Liz! Glenn777 (talk) 16:39, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
User:2010104aprameyan/sandbox
Hi Lizzy, I want to know why you declined my CSD nomination of User:2010104aprameyan/sandbox signed, Iflaq (talk) 12:51, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, Iflaq,
- Sometimes, when there is very little content on a user page that has been tagged for deletion, I blank the page instead. This is only when the content doesn't violate BLP or copyright guidelines. This is a judgment call on my part as an admin. I just think in some cases, deletion is overkill, especially if it a new editor and in this case, the editor only had 2 edits.
- This is only for user pages, if this content was in an article or draft, I would delete it. But I think we need to allow some leeway on a user sandbox. Liz Read! Talk! 18:56, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
- Thankyou @Liz, I respect you view. By the way I called you Lizzy, hope it was ok. Good-bye and Happy editing. signed, Iflaq (talk) 19:10, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
Draft: Muhammad Kaif Raza Khan Qadri
Hello Sir,
Sir please create an article about Muhammed Kaif Raza Khan Qadri. There is many sources available about him.
Thank You. Kaifraza786 (talk) 16:30, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
Help me on this article how to avoid Speedy Deletion. Kaifraza786 (talk) 16:34, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, Kaifraza786,
- I'm an administrator so much of my time is spent on admin tasks, not writing articles. I recommend you visit Wikipedia:Community portal and you can find links to places on Wikipedia where you can get help. Liz Read! Talk! 19:04, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
Preemptively then
Any of the articles you're deleting under G5 that I contested, I now request to be reinstated with my support of the article content and notability of the subject matter. Draftify, if needed, though i'll be moving them back to mainspace more or less right away, as they are notable singers/actors/songs that have tons of reliable source coverage. SilverserenC 02:47, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, Silver seren,
- You are laying a lot of conditions on my evaluating these articles that I do not feel that I'm the best to make...like which songs are "notable" and which aren't. I'll just not delete any articles that you contest. But I can't guarantee that the next patrolling admin won't just delete them so I think it makes the most sense to move the ones you care about. However, I have never heard of CSD G5 exemptions because another editor wants the content of the sockpuppet's articles so you might receive challenges about this. Liz Read! Talk! 02:52, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
- G5 REFUND undeletions are fairly common if another editor wants to take ownership of the content, especially in regards to articles made by banned users that wasn't specifically about the content of said articles. If someone was banned for POV or BLP article writing issues, then just rewriting from scratch is best. Otherwise, there shouldn't be a problem. In this case, the editor made a couple of hoax articles and was banned for that. But they made tons of non-hoax articles as well and I can find no indication that the ones I contested were hoaxes, since there's plenty of reliable source coverage on them. And particularly for song articles that have a structured format that really can't be made any other way. So writing from scratch would...just be the same article. SilverserenC 02:56, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
- Well, I didn't recommend you remove the CSD tag because the article taggers will probably come to your talk page and ask why it was removed (at least that's what happens to me). I thought you were going to move them to your user space. But since you are taking responsibility, I hand this matter over to you. Liz Read! Talk! 03:05, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you. I just don't see the point of moving them to userspace if they're notable and ready to go. Or did you mean I should move them to my userspace to then move them back to create some sort of chain of ownership? SilverserenC 03:10, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
- Well, I didn't recommend you remove the CSD tag because the article taggers will probably come to your talk page and ask why it was removed (at least that's what happens to me). I thought you were going to move them to your user space. But since you are taking responsibility, I hand this matter over to you. Liz Read! Talk! 03:05, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
- G5 REFUND undeletions are fairly common if another editor wants to take ownership of the content, especially in regards to articles made by banned users that wasn't specifically about the content of said articles. If someone was banned for POV or BLP article writing issues, then just rewriting from scratch is best. Otherwise, there shouldn't be a problem. In this case, the editor made a couple of hoax articles and was banned for that. But they made tons of non-hoax articles as well and I can find no indication that the ones I contested were hoaxes, since there's plenty of reliable source coverage on them. And particularly for song articles that have a structured format that really can't be made any other way. So writing from scratch would...just be the same article. SilverserenC 02:56, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
Special:Contributions/RIPARCA - please block
Hi Liz, will you please block this user? S0091 (talk) 20:36, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hi, S0091,
- Looks like Ched beat me to it! Liz Read! Talk! 20:46, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
- Now requested revoking TPA. I left a note for Ched but may come to you if you are around. I went to 4 different admins over a period of 30 or so minutes (this was after it sat at AIV for a bit) but kept missing them by like 2 minutes of last activity and this user was not (and still isn't) stopping. S0091 (talk) 20:52, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
- By the time I was looking at the account, the talk page access had been revoked and I reverted their last edit to the page. I remember seeing a page once that showed which admins were actively editing but I don't recall the page name now that I'm trying to remember. Usually, they are pretty fast addressing complaints at WP:AIV. Liz Read! Talk! 21:07, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
- It's [6] and what I was using but ended up with superb bad timing. Yes, usually AIV is fine but sometimes reports do sit for a while (hour or more, on occasion hours) but this particular situation really did need more immediate attention. This is actually the first time I had to go to more one admin, I think. No one was ignoring my request, simply they were not available. S0091 (talk) 21:35, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for that link, S0091, there is more available on toolforge than I knew about. I just saw a report there yesterday that was able to identify possible CSD G5 pages based on SPI reports. I'll need to bookmark some of these pages. Liz Read! Talk! 21:43, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
- That particular one is actually in the instructions at ANI. I had lost it as well and found it there. I really should keep these on a user page somewhere in case something happens and I loose my favs again. One day....S0091 (talk) 21:51, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for that link, S0091, there is more available on toolforge than I knew about. I just saw a report there yesterday that was able to identify possible CSD G5 pages based on SPI reports. I'll need to bookmark some of these pages. Liz Read! Talk! 21:43, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
- It's [6] and what I was using but ended up with superb bad timing. Yes, usually AIV is fine but sometimes reports do sit for a while (hour or more, on occasion hours) but this particular situation really did need more immediate attention. This is actually the first time I had to go to more one admin, I think. No one was ignoring my request, simply they were not available. S0091 (talk) 21:35, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
- By the time I was looking at the account, the talk page access had been revoked and I reverted their last edit to the page. I remember seeing a page once that showed which admins were actively editing but I don't recall the page name now that I'm trying to remember. Usually, they are pretty fast addressing complaints at WP:AIV. Liz Read! Talk! 21:07, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
- Now requested revoking TPA. I left a note for Ched but may come to you if you are around. I went to 4 different admins over a period of 30 or so minutes (this was after it sat at AIV for a bit) but kept missing them by like 2 minutes of last activity and this user was not (and still isn't) stopping. S0091 (talk) 20:52, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
Please restore this page, as I do not think it met WP:CSD#G13 (if nothing else, the addition of the MfD tag counts as an edit) * Pppery * it has begun... 21:06, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, Pppery,
Done . You are absolutely right. Our regular expired draft taggers are very accurate and so I assumed the tagging was appropriate when it was not. I've posted a talk page notice to editor who tagged this draft and I'm glad you brought it to my attention so I could restore the page. Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 21:16, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
- I checked all of the 10 CSD G13s that I recently deleted and found more to restore from a second editor new to tagging. I'll be double-checking ones that are not from our regular CSD taggers. I'm so glad you came to me about this one because it caused me to find other mistakes. Liz Read! Talk! 21:40, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
Creation Draft:Muhammad Kaif Raza Khan Qadri
Hello,
I want to say that I want to create an article about Muhammed Kaif Raza Khan Qadri but this article is protected so please help me how do I create it. Kaifraza786 (talk) 11:12, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
Draft:Selinus_University_of_Science_and_Literature
Hey Liz, I hope you are fine. I just finished editing the Draft:Selinus_University_of_Science_and_Literature as you recommended. Could you please review it so we can publish the article? Thank you, Erika --BancoBank (talk) 18:31, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, BancoBank,
- I am actually busy with administrative tasks and I don't create or review drafts of articles. If you put {{subst:submit}} at the top of the page, it will notify the editors at Articles for Creation that your draft is ready for review. They spend their time here evaluating drafts and are the best judges of readiness for drafts to move into the main space of the project. You also can go to their talk page to ask questions. I also recommend the Teahouse for general questions about how things work on Wikipedia. Good luck with your draft! Liz Read! Talk! 21:32, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
This editor...
I'm not sure what's up with their contributions but practically every edit has been reverted... (I noticed you nominated one of their categories for deletion.) Shearonink (talk) 19:52, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, Shearonink,
- I'll keep an eye on them. Thanks for the head's up. Liz Read! Talk! 21:28, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
Dear Liz,
Please create an article about Muhammad Kaif Raza Khan Qadri. I have many sources and references about him will you please do this.
Thank you Kaifraza786 (talk) 20:18, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
Hey Liz, I hope you are fine,
Drafts:Muhammad_Kaif_Raza_Khan_QadriCould you please review it and please publish this article? Thank you, Kaifraza0786 -- Kaifraza786 (talk) 20:21, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, Kaifraza786,
- You can keep asking but as I have told you (see above), I am busy with administrative tasks and I don't create or review drafts. The good folks at Articles for Creation do reviews and they are a great place to ask questions about your draft Draft:Muhammad Kaif Raza Khan Qadri. Right now, it has been proposed for deletion at MfD where you should probably go and present an argument for why it should be kept. Liz Read! Talk! 21:25, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
The Signpost: 25 April 2021
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- From the editor: A change is gonna come
- Disinformation report: Paid editing by a former head of state's business enterprise
- In the media: Fernando, governance, and rugby
- Opinion: The (Universal) Code of Conduct
- Op-Ed: A Little Fun Goes A Long Way
- Changing the world: The reach of protest images on Wikipedia
- Recent research: Quality of aquatic and anatomical articles
- Traffic report: The verdict is guilty, guilty, guilty
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Accusiations of (borderline) racism
Hi,
At Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Killing of Ma'Khia Bryant you commented "Some of comments here border on racism that is disturbing to see in a deletion discussion on Wikipedia. But since racism exists in the off-line world, I guess we shouldn't be surprised to see it here, too. How about we assess notability of the shooting and not whether or not the victim deserved to die?"
I was one in the minority who voted to delete the article, and find accusations of even borderline racism to be a very serious accusation. What comments in the discussion border on racism? You are free to disagree with the reasons for my delete vote, of course. That is part of the reason we have AFD.
For the record, I don't believe that Ma'Khia Bryant deserved to die. In my view, it is very callous to believe that a 16-year old child deserves death. That the right of self-defense (or defense of others) sometimes allows the use of deadly force arises from the would-be-victim deserving to live, not the assailant deserving to die. Sjakkalle (Check!) 07:07, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, Sjakkalle,
- No, it was not your comment, in fact your comment didn't even mention race. The comment I was concerned about was partially redacted. I'm sorry if you felt targeted but I was trying to make a comment about the tone of the discussion without singling anyone out. Some of the commenters seemed irritated that there was even an article on another black person who was killed by the police but it wasn't your remarks. Liz Read! Talk! 19:31, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
- OK, thank you very much for clarifying! Sjakkalle (Check!) 19:58, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
Dhangadhi FC, Biratnagar City FC, Butwal Lumbini FC
Hi. Please restore these articles. Because it belongs to G5: This applies to pages created by banned or blocked users in violation of their ban or block, and that have no substantial edits by others. I contributed to the improvement of that article. I still want to improve them. Please take it into account. Sincerely, --TarPas (talk) 08:20, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
- I'll look into this. Liz Read! Talk! 19:24, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you for your attention! --TarPas (talk) 07:43, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, TarPas,
- After looking these over, I'm going to have to decline your request. The only substantial edits to these articles was by the sockpuppet, not by other editors. They are also short articles that I think can be easily recreated. You can try asking at WP:REFUND but I think the admins who work there are typically more strict than I am but you can give it a shot. I'm sorry not to give you the answer you wanted. Liz Read! Talk! 19:40, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
- If possible, read this discussion: User talk:Cabayi#Lalitpur City FC and other Nepal Super League teams. Best regards, --TarPas (talk) 10:47, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
- I would like to inform you that I also have edits in the history of those articles. I do not want them to be deleted. Please restore relevant articles. Sincerely,--TarPas (talk) 08:06, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you for your attention! --TarPas (talk) 07:43, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
Revdel requested
Hi Liz, hope you are doing well. Revel requested at Murder of Peggy Knobloch, I had to remove the names per WP:BLPCRIME. Thanks. CommanderWaterford (talk) 19:06, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
Done Liz Read! Talk! 19:23, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
- There is an additional edit that needs revdeletion. Also, my sandbox needs some revdeletions. Scorpions13256 (talk) 20:25, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
- Earwig got the ones in my sandbox. Scorpions13256 (talk) 02:04, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, Scorpions13256,
- This is the second time Earwig has covered for me, I should give them a barnstar or something. Liz Read! Talk! 02:12, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
- I was considering doing the same. Earwig seems to be the one to respond to most of my revdeletion requests. Scorpions13256 (talk) 02:14, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
I am so sorry
I am so sorry about the ignorance related to my article. I had not read that guideline. I assumed that because it was highly publicized, it was okay. I assure you this will not happen again. This was my first time writing about living people. Scorpions13256 (talk) 20:09, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, Scorpions13256,
- The problem is not making mistakes, we all do that, we run into problem when editors don't change their behavior upon learning that they made a mistake. There is a learning curve on Wikipedia and even after nearly 8 years, there are still areas of Wikipedia I don't edit or admin in because I'm less familiar with the policy and guidelines. We're all still learning and it looks like today you learned some issues we have with WP:BLP which, along with copyright, is probably one of the most sensitive area of Wikipedia. Liz Read! Talk! 02:17, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks. This is the first time I have ever had any of my edits revdeleted, and I am hoping I do not outrageously violate any policy ever again. I do not recall ever repeating the same mistake on Wikipedia, but I will be more mindful. Again, thank you for your understanding. Scorpions13256 (talk) 02:24, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
Hi again. I restored this G8 deletion with 1700+ incoming links where an IP had inappropriately redirected it to a nonexistent title. (Another editor pointed it out off-wiki—I promise I'm not following you around, just weird coincidences!) It's similar to the Indian Academy Awards winners situation from last week. Maybe your workflow for G8 can be improved? I'd suggest double-checking anything that was recently retargeted (especially if the previous target still exists) and if the title has many incoming mainspace links, i.e., signs something fishy is going on. — The Earwig (talk) 05:06, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, The Earwig,
- This was due to this page's listing of broken redirects and I should have picked up on this one immediately. Typically, these broken redirects appear after an article has been deleted but occasionally it is due to a redirect being changed to a nonexistent page. Lately, the broken redirect page has been very full due to some mass deletions of articles on villages in Iran which have been done by other admins but I will double- and triple-check all listings. The reason I even go over this page is because these are typically deletions done by a bot and I thought a human admin would catch mistakes like this and a bot would not...but in this case, it was me who missed this one. Thanks again. Liz Read! Talk! 19:33, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
Revdel Request II
Hi Liz, seems like it is Groundhog Day...another Revdel for Draft:Yehuda Meshi Zahav because of BLPCRIME please, thank you. CommanderWaterford (talk) 16:05, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
Revdel request
Hello Liz, kindly take a look at these revisions 1 2 and kindly help delete for attacking a living person. Thank you. The Sokks💕 (talk) 16:56, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
Space Art (band) deletion
Hello Liz and @Revirvlkodlaku: I hope you're both well. I'm sorry to have to do this to you both, but can folks please perform a thorough check for additional sources, before PRODing and deleting articles? I had to reinstate Space Art (band), with better references, from what was still available at archive.org. Notability is low, but it's not nonexistent or borderline; there are at least two dedicated reliable secondary sources for the band. Thanks. EP111 (talk) 19:21, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, EP111,
- A contested PROD can always be restored and so I have restored all of the edit history to this article. If this happens again in the future with a PROD, you can ask any admin for a restoration or go to WP:REFUND. Liz Read! Talk! 19:26, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Liz: OK, thanks. EP111 (talk) 19:27, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
Twinkle
Thank you for your explanation, but this WIkipedia should be not for experts only. I do not know what Twinkle is and do not want to study the subject, I am 70.I have checked and the author was banned. 'Port of St. Augustine is a port in St. Augustine, Florida.' is a bad joke. Xx236 (talk) 07:44, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
Revdel Request III
Hi Liz, good morning, sorry to bother you again: EDP445 needs a RevDel per BLPCRIME. Thank you. CommanderWaterford (talk) 08:07, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
Hallo, in 2018 you deleted this redirect as "(Article has been deleted so this redirect doesn't serve a purpose)": you might be interested to see Unverified personal gnosis which has just appeared. PamD 08:44, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, PamD,
- Thanks for the head's up, I've restored the redirect. Liz Read! Talk! 21:37, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
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Hello Liz, I got notified that you deleted Draft talk:Italian Atelier earlier today, the reason being G8: Talk page of a nonexistent or deleted page. Since I'm a new user, I'd like to ask what the exact reason was and how I could improve next time. How can I also retrieve my draft? Thank you! Italianatelier-wiki (talk) 17:21, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, Italianatelier-wiki,
- Talk pages are where editors on Wikipedia go to have discussions about articles and pages. I believe you placed a draft on the draft talk page, not the draft page and since talk pages don't exist without a page to discuss, orphaned talk pages are deleted. I can restore your draft and move it to a draft page. Please keep talk pages reserved for discussions with other editors.
- If you have questions about editing on Wikipedia, I recommend visiting the Teahouse where experienced editors can address any concerns you have. Liz Read! Talk! 20:34, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
You removed the speedy tag from User:IeEditor/sandbox saying that the user wasn't blocked, they are a sock of blocked User:Samiwc see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Samiwc. Theroadislong (talk) 20:57, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
- Ahh I see they are not blocked yet! Only a matter of time though, cheers! Theroadislong (talk) 20:59, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, Theroadislong,
- I always check to confirm the page creator is a blocked sockpuppet and is the main contributor to the page. Some editors CSD G5 tag articles as soon as an editor is reported at SPI so your eagerness is not unusual (which is why I check). The way I look at it is, there is no hurry to delete their page creations if they are a sockpuppet and if they are shown to NOT be a sockpuppet, it's pretty awkward to go around restoring all of their deleted pages. Liz Read! Talk! 21:35, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
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Whilst I was checking for vandalism, I noticed that you were actively deleting non-existent talk pages and redirects. Keep up the hard work! MediaJS (talk) (C) 18:01, 30 April 2021 (UTC) |
- Thanks, MediaJS, I've been putting in a lot of time lately, not sure if that will change in the future. Liz Read! Talk! 01:35, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
Transclusions and category left behind by G7 deletion
Template:Daum TV series has a bunch of orphaned transclusions and at least one category. Is there a bot that needs to be notified about this deletion? I am not wise in the ways of XFD. Thanks. – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:22, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, Jonesey95,
- Thanks for letting me know, I didn't think about this template's transclusions so I'm just removing them manually. There might be a bot that will do this but I don't know which one that would be. This deletion was a template creator request, not through a TFD discussion and I'm sure if that route had been taken, a bot would do all of the heavy lifting. Liz Read! Talk! 01:34, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
Category:Florida circuit courts
Hi! Just wanted to let you know that I emptied Category:Florida circuit courts on April 30, and CSD C1 requires us to wait for 7 days prior to deletion. Edge3 (talk) 16:29, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, Edge3,
- You are correct that the category needs to be empty for 7 days before deletion. But the category is tagged on the first day it is empty. That's how the system keeps track of the 7 day period...it's 7 days after the category has been tagged that it is empty. Empty categories that are tagged CSD C1 do not get deleted until 7 days have passed since they were tagged AND if they are still empty. Empty categories that are tagged that are not empty after 7 days have the tag removed. Liz Read! Talk! 00:29, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
- P.S. Editors are not supposed to empty categories "out-of-process". If you want to rename a category, merge categories or delete categories, please nominate them at WP:CFD. Liz Read! Talk! 01:09, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
- Ah, thank you for clarifying! I don't have much experience with speedy deletions, so I appreciate your willingness to explain the process. As for the changes I made, I actually blanked several articles (Seventh Judicial Circuit Court of Florida, Tenth Judicial Circuit Court of Florida, Eleventh Judicial Circuit Court of Florida, Thirteenth Judicial Circuit Court of Florida, and Eighteenth Judicial Circuit Court of Florida) and redirected them to Florida circuit courts. That is why Category:Florida circuit courts is now empty. Hopefully that was the correct procedure; please let me know if it was not. Edge3 (talk) 01:59, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
- P.S. Editors are not supposed to empty categories "out-of-process". If you want to rename a category, merge categories or delete categories, please nominate them at WP:CFD. Liz Read! Talk! 01:09, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
FYI - in case this gets questioned, I posted a quick note at Talk:Florida circuit courts to explain what I did. Edge3 (talk) 16:23, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
- That's excellent, Edge3. Although you might run into pushback by announcing bold actions you've taken, it's always better to be transparent than doing edits surreptitiously. I'm not saying that's what you did but it's how things can be perceived by others. As for whether you did the correct action, I'm not knowledgeable about Wikipedia's category structure on the U.S. court system. I'd look at how other states' court categories are organized and emulate the best examples. Of course, it could be that your system is superior and then you could take on other states besides Florida! There is never a shortage of work to be done here. Liz Read! Talk! 16:35, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
WP:REVDEL request
Liz, can I please request a WP:REVDEL on this edit at Scarlett Estevez – as this involves a minor, it's even more egregious. Thanks. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 03:02, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
Treptichnus pedum
Hi Liz. I have requested a move on this article at Talk:Treptichnus pedum. This article should clearly exist at the genus level. I was previously simply follwing the advice obtained at Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1102 § Swap page title with one of a page title redirecting to the first page. Thanks. YorkshireExpat (talk) 09:11, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, YorkshireExpat,
- The example you link to at the Teahouse was a page and a redirect that had no history. In the recent case, you wanted to delete a page with a 14 year edit history to replace it with a different article. These are two different situations. We typically try to preserve the page with the fuller, longer edit history rather than replace it with a new article because we need to preserve attribution history. That's why I suggested merging the content of two articles rather than deleting one. Is there a reason why you don't want to do this? Liz Read! Talk! 22:55, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
- Hello @Liz:. For paleontology articles convention is for the article to exist at the genus level, not species, e.g. Tyrannosaurus is the page that exists and Tyrannosaurus rex is a redirect to that. This currently the wrong way round with Treptichnus pedum and Treptichnus. Note also the 'other species' section that exists on both pages; in my view that would be enough to justify moving the article for an extant species. Essentially, the contents need swapping, but I appreciate the need to maintain history (hence, don't just swap manually (looking at the history for Treptichnus someone has tried to do this already and it got reverted)). I don't think I had grasped the subtleties involved. I have rasied a request here now; hopefully this is correct. Thanks.YorkshireExpat (talk) 08:01, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
undelete
Category:Animated western (genre) animation is no longer empty. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:28, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
Done, BHG. Thanks for letting me know. Liz Read! Talk! 22:50, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks, Liz. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:45, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
Discussion at Talk:Jaime Brooks § Jaime Brooks Wikipedia page serves as advertisement for off-site projects
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Jaime Brooks § Jaime Brooks Wikipedia page serves as advertisement for off-site projects. -- Marchjuly (talk) 13:15, 4 May 2021 (UTC)Template:Z48
- Hey Liz. You were mentioned here (but the "ping" was malformed) and I'm just letting you know as a courtesy just it case you weren't watching the article. FWIW, the OP has been indef'd for WP:SOCK, but they seem to be involved with some real world dispute with the subject of the article which is probably the only reason they were on Wikipedia. Apparently, the article was WP:REFUNDed after you'd prod deleted it, and the prodder was unwilling to accept that outcome and take the article to AfD instead. -- Marchjuly (talk) 13:24, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
assistance with possible block.
Please see the talk p. for Care.com. and its history. I think one of the parties will probably need to be blocked, (see my user talk here, ,[7] but I've already done enough there, and it would be better if the block should be done by someone else. DGG ( talk ) 07:39, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, DGG,
- As an admin, I'm not quick to block unless there is pretty clear misconduct but I'll take a look. Liz Read! Talk! 01:35, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- and neither am I. but it does need watching. DGG ( talk ) 02:37, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- It looks like you took out the bad sources but I'm a bit concerned about the paid editor even though I knew he's very professional and he knows the COI guidelines better than most of us. Liz Read! Talk! 02:50, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- and neither am I. but it does need watching. DGG ( talk ) 02:37, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
Requested undeletion for K. V. Dhanesh
Could you please undelete the page K. V. Dhanesh? You deleted it because it was created by a sockpuppet, but Dhanesh is still a notable athlete who captained the Indian National football Team, and in requesting undeletion I take responsibility for the article.Jackattack1597 (talk) 01:30, 6 May 2021 (UTC). Jackattack1597 (talk) 01:30, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, Jackattack1597,
- I have restored K. V. Dhanesh. Please make an immediate edit to the page to make good on your promise to take responsibility for the article. Thanks. Liz Read! Talk! 01:39, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
Draft schedules
Hi Liz, I'm not sure if you've noticed, but the drafts you have been deleting today, like Draft:Mohammad Shawky Hassan, are scheduled for deletion for tomorrow, not today. The bot decided to just skip November 6 on the subpage for some reason. ✗plicit 02:29, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- I will try to go over them to verify. Unfortunately, there is no easy way to look at deleted material. I try to stay a few days ahead in screening them, but this past week is one of the times I have not been able to keep up, as things at RS and Fringe have not merely distracted me, but upset me to the extent I'm reluctant to get started each day. DGG ( talk ) 02:40, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, Explicit,
- Oh, damn, I've been working with CSD G13s since last September, I should remember this happens whenever the current month (April) is 30 days and the expiring month (October) is 31 days. SDZeroBOT misses a day updating its list that I use, User:SDZeroBot/G13 soon. It caused bad problems in February which is only 28 days, the bot skipped 3 daily reports. I've mentioned this to the bot operator, SD0001 but there hasn't been a fix yet. I appreciate you calling my attention to this. I'll just see what pops up on User:SDZeroBot/G13 eligible list tomorrow for drafts expiring May 6th. I'll work on something else like categories. Liz Read! Talk! 02:46, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
Atossa Therapeutics
You deleted the page citing that the page only cited its own website. However, all those cites were removed and the article was re-cited with independent sources several days ago. Is it possible to re-evaluate again as it seems the edit was overlooked. Thank you.73.0.115.41 (talk) 19:49, 6 May 2021 (UTC)