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July 30, 2023

July 29, 2023

  • (Discuss) – Fangame → Fan game – As much as it annoys me to realize it, "fan game" is in fact the common name. Google Ngrams puts it as having significantly more usage than the compound word. This is backed up by book mentions, such as What Is Your Quest? From Adventure Games to Interactive Books (which has a chapter titled "Fan games") and Game Localization, which also uses "fan game". Comparatively, "fangame" does not come up at all in Google Books. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 12:34, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

July 28, 2023

  • (Discuss) – List of anarchist communities → List of libertarian socialist communities – Many of the communities listed on this page weren't/aren't anarchist. For instance, Rojava is based on an ideology of democratic confederalism, which is explicitly not anarchist but a form of socialist communalism and libertarian municipalism--an ideology formed by Murray Bookchin as a libertarian socialist rejection of anarchism[4][5]. Similarly, the Rebel Zapatista Autonomous Municipalities are not explicitly anarchist, being influenced by both Marxism and anarchism in favor of Neozapatismo and semi-direct democratic local governments.1[6]. To give a historic and prominent example, the Paris Commune was not explicitly anarchist either, again having broad socialist influences (even if there were disproportionate leanings) including anarchism, Marxism, and old-style social democracy [7]. Finally, I will add that perhaps a couple of these societies are not explicitly libertarian socialist either, such as Cherán; but I believe that this new title would still be a broadly better descriptor of the societies listed overall than the current one, given that this article is not listing alleged right-wing libertarian societies such as the Republic of Cospaia, but it does list various non-anarchist libertarian socialist societies. Editors could potentially add new notes or sections anyway classifying societies like Cherán as related but not necessarily libertarian socialist. 4kbw9Df3Tw (talk) 21:09, 20 July 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. Adumbrativus (talk) 20:44, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

July 27, 2023

  • (Discuss) – Ovalau (Fiji) → Ovalau – I propose moving this article's title to Ovalau, because Ovalau (Tonga) is also known as Avalau, and the Tongan island appears to be more commonly called Avalau. The small Tongan island doesn't appear to be inhabited, meanwhile the Fijian Ovalau has about 9 thousand people. It seems much more likely to me that someone would mean the Fijian island when searching Ovalau, given the page views statistics (Fijian island - 337 views in June 2023, Tongan island - 9 views in June 2023). toweli (talk) 16:30, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Classic autism → Infantile autism – The article most recently provided this source for the term "classic autism" as well as some other claims regarding use of terminology (see this version), all of which the source does not appear to support. In fact, it does not even contain the term "classic autism". I have failed to find a source that shows "classic autism" to be a regularly used term. Google Scholar produces just a little more than 4,000 publications that include the term, some of which are likely to refer to non-syndromic autism, which is also sometimes called "classic autism". Compared to the 75,000 publications that mention "autistic disorder" (the name of the diagnosis in the DSM-IV) and the 68,000 publications that mention "childhood autism" (the name of the diagnosis in the ICD-10), that's minimal. The Encyclopedia of Autism Spectrum Disorders contains no entry for the term (not even the equivalent of a Wikipedia redirect) and just a handful of mentions, two of which are in quotation marks. While in these few cases the term appears to be consistently used to refer to the condition described in the article all mentions are in entries unrelated to the article's main subject. Thus, I propose to move the article to Infantile autism, which is the name coined by Leo Kanner that is also listed as a synonym in the ICD-10 as well as the DSM-IV. This is a well-established name that emphasizes the status as a "classic"/"prototypical" variant of the syndrome/diagnosis and does not give preference to either DSM or ICD. TempusTacet (talk) 09:18, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

July 26, 2023

  • (Discuss) – Enerhodar → Energodar – Good morning wikipedians! Renaming the Wikipedia article for "Enerhodar" to "Energodar" is justified on the basis of historical Soviet conventions, where place names from non-Russian languages were transliterated into Russian Cyrillic to ensure uniformity and ease of communication within the Soviet Union. As a predominantly Russian-speaking city, "Energodar" better represents the linguistic preferences of its residents and aligns with the usage of the main language in the region. Moreover, considering that the city was originally named in Russian and still predominantly uses this version, the proposed renaming not only adheres to historical precedent but also ensures linguistic accuracy and consistency with other examples of place name transliterations in the region. Also see my earlier arguments from November. EVaDiSh (talk) 22:35, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Federal prosecution of Donald Trump → Federal prosecution of Donald Trump on classified documents – As a second federal prosecution of Donald Trump regarding attempts to overturn the 2020 United States presidential election looms, as confirmed by a target letter publicized by the accused, this page will soon need to become a disambiguation page for the various federal prosecutions of Donald Trump lest we lump multiple criminal investigations and cases into one sprawling article. Obviously WP:CRYSTALBALL et al, no one is trying to predict the future, and I am certainly not suggesting making any of those new articles until the time comes (though if any user wants to start collating information in draftspace, sure). But given the expectation of an impending and potentially controversial move request given the contentious nature of the topic, I am opting to jumpstart conversation on this expected move now so that when the proper moment comes to make this move in the coming weeks, there is already a documented and ongoing conversation about it in move review, which can give a future closer the consensus they need to move forward at that time, rather than having this conversation then and having ambiguous names in the interim. Criticalus (talk) 15:33, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – TT8 → Tomb of Kha and Merit – Proposing this page be moved for recognizability and naturalness as outlined in WP:CRITERIA even though it would break consistency with other TT numbers (and I do so love consistency!). Reasoning: * "Tomb of Kha and Merit" or something similar is often put before the TT number - eg: Schiaparelli's (1927) publication is "The Intact Tomb of the Architect Kha...", Forbes' (1998) publication is "Kha and Merit (TT8)", and Vassilika's (2010) is "The Tomb of Kha: The Architect". Museo Egizio's publication dedicated to the tomb is "La Tomba di Kha e Merit" (The Tomb of Kha and Merit), and their gallery is "Tomba di Kha" (Tomb of Kha). However, "Tomb of Kha and Merit" doesn't show up in this Google Ngram but the phrase "Kha and Merit" is essentially tied with "Tomb of Kha" in this Ngram * This Google Ngram shows that "TT8" is more used than "Tomb of Kha" or "TT 8" but this is complicated by the fact that ""TT8" is also a gene (and a treadmill according to Google). Let me know what you think! Merytat3n (talk) 02:48, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Uijo of Goryeo → Jakjegeon – WP:COMMONNAME per English sources. WP:COGNOMEN should not apply as the individual was never a king himself, only granted the title posthumously by his descendants. For example, see Yuwen Tai, Yi Chun, and Crown Prince Sado. All three individuals, just like Jakjegeon, were posthumously recognized as monarchs by their descendants and granted posthumous names and temple names. Calling Jakjegeon by his temple name Uijo of Goryeo could potentially confuse a reader into thinking that he actually ruled the Kingdom of Goryeo, rather than his true status of a small mercantile regional lord from modern-day Kaesong. There is a precedent on the English Wikipedia to not call individuals who were posthumously granted the title of king by their posthumous names nor temple names, rather by the personal names they used in their lifetimes. ⁂CountHacker (talk) 01:29, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Odesa → Odessa – The name "Odessa" should be reinstated due to its historical significance, cultural heritage, and identity. With a history dating back to the late 18th century, "Odessa" has been widely used in English texts and historical records, and changing it to "Odesa" could cause confusion and diminish its historical context. The traditional name holds cultural significance to the people of Ukraine and the city's inhabitants, and renaming it might be perceived as an attempt to downplay its Ukrainian heritage. Additionally, "Odessa" has become the standard English name for the city, ensuring linguistic consistency and facilitating communication for researchers, historians, and tourists worldwide. The international recognition of "Odessa" further supports its preservation, preventing confusion among global citizens, businesses, and organizations. Moreover, considering the city's popularity as a tourist destination, maintaining the name "Odessa" is crucial for travel arrangements and tourism promotion. Anglicization of names is common in English to ease communication and understanding, making "Odessa" a practical choice while preserving its unique identity in the global context. The renaming of "Odessa" to "Odesa" was done supposedly to stand with Ukraine in Ukrainian solidarity, however it is a bastardization of the term as English is ENGLISH, not ukrainian. As Germany is Germany and not Deutschland, I don't know how the rename went forward in the first place as it seems to be more emotionally driven rather then practically. EVaDiSh (talk) 01:26, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

July 25, 2023

July 24, 2023

  • (Discuss) – Even-toed ungulate → Artiodactyl – This is probably going to be very controversial, but hear me out: While "even-toed"/"even-hoofed" animals/ungulates are technically the more popular term according to google scholar, the terms themselves tend to exclude cetaceans, as the articles within the search results often specify "cetaceans/whales and dolphins" + "even-toed ungulates," suggesting that the term isn't so inclusive for cetaceans as opposed to all members of artiodactyls. After all, cetaceans don't have toes/hooves. Yes, I know that the earliest cetacean ancestors walked on land, but it still doesn't change that they no longer have "toes" or "hooves." The term "artiodactyls" is used a lot too and can technically be more "inclusive" for cetaceans instead of just terrestrial artiodactyls. I'm aware that the etymology of "Artiodactyla" means "even toed," but taxonomic names can persist even if the ideas behind them are outdated. PrimalMustelid (talk) 19:00, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – List of Spaghetti Western films → List of spaghetti Westerns – In the discussion regarding upper/lowercasing "Western" in the Western genre and subgenres, it was noted that there are instances of "spaghetti Western" across Wikipedia that inappropriately uppercase "Spaghetti". Per MOS:GENRECAPS, "spaghetti" is not a proper noun and should not be capped. It is no different than "contemporary Western", "neo-Western", "science fiction Western", and other subgenres that do not begin with a proper noun. I am opening this as a controversial move discussion rather than requesting a technical move as there are editors who have noted that "Spaghetti" is longstanding consensus (a suggestion I disagree with based on GENRECAPS). With that in mind, if consensus is to move, it will require a technical move request to preserve edit history as there is a redirect in place at the suggested location. ButlerBlog (talk) 14:46, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Ceremonial Guard → Ceremonial Guard (Canada) – I came across this page when searching for "ceremonial guard" on Google; the Wikipedia card directs users to the Canadian Ceremonial Guard page. It's also the case that when one searches "ceremonial guard" on Wikipedia, it goes to the page. "Ceremonial Guard", in general usage, does not refer to the Ceremonial Guard of Canada, but describes a general class of military groups known as a Guard of honour. I propose that the current page at Ceremonial Guard be moved to Ceremonial Guard (Canada), and either for a redirect be made from Ceremonial Guard to Guard of honour or Ceremonial Guard to be a disambiguation page for the various Ceremonial Guard units in the world. Countries such as Kosovo also have units known as the Ceremonial Guard. WP:MILMOS#UNITNAME states: "[W]here a unit's name can reasonably be expected to be used by multiple armed forces... units should generally be preemptively disambiguated." So to be fair to Kosovo, and other the units of other countries whose honour guards are only called "Ceremonial Guard", Ceremonial Guard (in caps) should be a disambiguation page. Dawkin Verbier (talk) 14:42, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

July 23, 2023

  • (Discuss) – Charles III → Charles III of the United Kingdom – Second try after the previous failed discussion at Talk:Charles_III/Archive_6#Requested_move_8_September_2022. There is no WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for "Charles III". There are many other very notable monarchs at Charles III (disambiguation) and having the British monarch at the base name is a violation of WP:RECENTISM, WP:NPOV and WP:WORLDVIEW. We shouldn't show bias for a monarch from an English-speaking country when other monarchs from other countries are equally notable, if not more. Furthermore, the current title doesn't follow the naming convention at WP:NCROY, which was created in part to avoid this kind of problem with ambiguous titles. WP:PRIMARYTOPIC is determined by looking at two aspects: usage and long-term significance. In terms of usage, the British monarch gets significantly more page views than any other monarch with the same name. Per [22], the British monarch gets around 75% of the total views. However, that is not the full list of monarchs at Charles III (disambiguation), pageviews only allows to compare up to 10 articles. So the percentage would be even lower. The pageviews are indeed higher, but the difference is not overwhelming. For comparison, the fruit is the primary topic for "apple", even though the company gets more than 80% of the views ([23]). However, the main reason to move the article is that the long-term significance of the British monarch pales in comparison with other monarchs. He is merely a ceremonial figure and he is not a ruler as such. He doesn't govern or make any important decisions and he doesn't have any real military role (he commands no troops). Compare that to Charles III of Spain for example. He ruled as an absolute monarch over the biggest empire at the time, which spanned five continents (Europe, North and South America, Asia and Africa). He commanded the troops that conquered Naples and Sicily from Austria (Charles_III_of_Spain#Conquest_of_Naples_and_Sicily). As the intro of the article puts it: As king of Spain, Charles III made far-reaching reforms to increase the flow of funds to the crown and defend against foreign incursions on the empire. He facilitated trade and commerce, modernized agriculture and land tenure, and promoted science and university research. He implemented regalist policies to increase the power of the state regarding the church. During his reign, he expelled the Jesuits from the Spanish Empire[2] and fostered the Enlightenment in Spain. He strengthened the Spanish army and navy. Although he did not achieve complete control over Spain's finances, and was sometimes obliged to borrow to meet expenses, most of his reforms proved successful in providing increased revenue to the crown and expanding state power, leaving a lasting legacy. And that is just one monarch of the list, although he is arguably the most notable. But there is also Charles the Fat, the last last Carolingian emperor, or Charles III John of Norway, French commander in the Napoleonic army who somehow became king of Sweden and Norway, to name just two others. With so many other notable monarchs named Charles III, the British monarch has a very weak claim to be the primary topic and we should make Charles III a disambiguation page. Some would say he is the monarch of the whole Commonwealth Realm, not just Britain. That is true, but he is mostly known as a British monarch. Even in Australia, where he is also a monarch, the media refer to the British throne, not the Australian or Commonwealth throne ([24]). There are also plenty of other examples where only one of the kingdoms is mentioned in the title, like Charles I of England, also king of Scotland, and Ireland, or Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor, also king of Spain. Finally, I want to preemptively try to refute some possible opposition arguments: * "We'll need to change so many links." True, but there are tools that make the task relatively easy. * "Other British monarchs like Elizabeth II or George VI don't mention "the UK", so we should keep the current title to be consisten." That ignores all the above arguments about primary topic and it plays down the importance of the other monarchs mentioned above. The main point of discussion is whether the British monarch is the primary topic. The title of other British monarchs articles is irrelevant, what matters is the notability of other monarchs with the same name. Vpab15 (talk) 10:10, 23 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • (Discuss) – Kailyard school → Kailyard literature – Our article opens by basically disputing that this is in fact a "school" of literature rather than just a genre, and the literary-critical views on the topic are clearly divided, so WP should not be pre-emptively declaring it a "school" in the article title, especially since "kailyard literature" is entirely descriptive enough and otherwise adequate as a title.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  09:52, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Wendy (disambiguation) → Wendy – No clear primary topic, the given name has 2,530 views but Wendy's has 34,373, the singer has 11,049, the film has 2,547, the sing has 507, the TV series has 201, the village has 70, the storm list has 10 and the ship has 2[[32]]. Google, Images and Books seem mixed with uses other than the given name coming up most. By long-term significance the given name probably is primary as many of the other uses are probably derived from it though not the village. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:35, 13 July 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. EggRoll97 (talk) 03:03, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Route Views → RouteViews – The project name has changed and the title reflects the old project name. I'm asking for assistance as I am paid by the project and I'm not autoconfirmed. This is a contested technical request (permalink). The RouteViews project has created a lot of confusion over the years by permitting many variations of the name to be used. There are multiple redirects in Wikipedia that reflect this confusion over the project name. I'm attempting to create some clarity by reducing the number of name variations in use. Wikipedia is a common source for citation and an inaccurate name adds to the confusion. While a search for "Route Views" returns more results than "RouteViews", "route-views" returns an order of magnitude more results. It appears that the argument for keeping the name "Route Views" doesn't reflect common usage any more than my request does. I don't understand how internet search results forms the basis of a policy given it doesn't support the current name choice. InternetHex (talk) 20:58, 13 July 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. EggRoll97 (talk) 03:02, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Ma'ayan Harod → Ain Jalut – Per clear WP:COMMONNAME as evidenced by the no-contest results on Ngrams and long-term scholarly prominence (787 hits on Google Scholar for "Ain Jalut" / 846 hits on Google Scholar for "Ayn Jalut"), largely in relation to the extremely significant 1260 Battle of Ain Jalut at the locale. "Ain Jalut" is a name of legendary renown that continues to echo across history and appear in the history books as the spot where the Mamluks turned back the tide of the Mongol advance in the Middle East. The current page title, "Ma'ayan Harod", is just a transliterated foreign language-term created as part of a 20th-century rebranding exercise that, by contrast, has little to no presence in English language sources, with just 19 hits on Google Scholar, several of which are not English language sources, leaving maybe a dozen mentions that check out. As the page itself also states, serious archaeologists, such as Israel Finkelstein, actually reject the association between Ain Jalut and the aspirational Biblical association with Herod, so it is a clear WP:COMMONNAME versus an uncommon and contested name. Between the two spellings of Ain/Ayn Jalut it is a fairly even toss up, as the Ngrams and Google Scholar evidence shows, but "Ain Jalut" is simpler, more natural spelling and is consistent with the title of the page for the associated battle. Iskandar323 (talk) 08:26, 5 July 2023 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). Iskandar323 (talk) 11:24, 5 July 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 18:44, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Анчабадзе, Ю. Д.; et al. (2007). Минц, Л. М.; et al. (eds.). Народы мира: энциклопедия [Peoples of the World: Encyclopedia] (in Russian). Москва: ОЛМА Медиа Групп. p. 380. ISBN 978-5-373-01057-3.
  2. ^ Шнирельман, В. А. (2006). Калинин, И. (ed.). Быть Аланами: Интеллектуалы и политика на Северном Кавказе в XX веке [To be Alans: Intellectuals and Politics in the North Caucasus in the 20th Century] (in Russian). Москва: Новое Литературное Обозрение. p. 164. ISBN 5-86793-406-3. ISSN 1813-6583.
  3. ^ Кузнецов, В. А. (1992). Майсурадзе, Л. Ш. (ed.). Очерки истории алан [Essays on the history of the Alans] (in Russian) (2nd ed.). Владикавказ: Ир. p. 348.
  4. ^ https://www.punto-informatico.it/da-cselt-a-telecom-italia-lab/
  5. ^ https://www.quotidianopiemontese.it/2014/12/03/torino-si-celebrano-50-anni-di-tilab-ex-cselt-un-pezzo-di-storia-della-ricerca-tecnologica-italia/
  6. ^ https://web.archive.org/web/20010811191658/http://www.cselt.it:80/indexe.htm
  7. ^ https://www.uni-muenster.de/Informatik/u/lammers//EDU/ws03/Landminen/Abgaben/Gruppe4b/jade/doc/links.htm
Epicamused (talk) 14:41, 21 June 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 10:59, 2 July 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (I will not see your reply if you don't mention me) 03:43, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Nothing Can Stop My Love → Des mots qui sonnent (song) – Following 15 full years of having an article about Céline Dion's hit single "Des mots qui sonnent", a couple of years ago it suddenly got turned into a redirect to "Nothing Can Stop My Love" — but the problem is that this is deeply misrepresentative. For one thing, "Nothing Can Stop My Love" isn't even attempting any sort of notability claim at all in its own right, and Angela Clemmons doesn't even have an article about her as a person — literally the only discernible notability claim it has at all is the fact that Aldo Nova later handed his melody over to Luc Plamondon to write a completely different set of lyrics for Céline Dion. "Des mots qui sonnent" isn't "a French-language version" of "Nothing Can Stop My Love", it's a completely different song that just happens to share the same melody — "Nothing Can Stop My Love" is about exactly what the title says, while "Des mots qui sonnent" is literally about Céline Dion asking Luc Plamondon to write her a hit song. Like, I'm not even kidding, it's really, truly "hey songwriter, write me a song, write me a song like Sting, write me a song like Michael Jackson, write me a song that'll go top ten". It's just not in any sense the same song just because it has the same melody. But "Des mots qui sonnent" was a significant chart hit in its own right (which even actually did go top ten, very meta!), while "Nothing Can Stop My Love" had no discernible notability whatsoever except as a footnote to "Des mots qui sonnent" — which means the primary topic, and hence the proper title of the article, is "Des mots qui sonnent". The fact that "Nothing Can STop My Love" technically came first isn't as important as the fact that "Des mots qui sonnent" was the thing that actually attained notability under WP:SONGS. Bearcat (talk) 01:15, 6 July 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. Natg 19 (talk) 01:54, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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