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Antonkorol (talk) 01:35, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

January 18

== Why was my page deleted? work for Melissa Harrington AKA MelissaMidwest and I was trying to make a page for her and before I was done with it you deleted it. I am not sure why this is but Melissa is a very important person in the adult world and needs a page on your site. Melissa's site www.melissamidwest.com is currently the most successful amateur model on the web getting better then 8 million visits a month and over 500 million hits a month. She has been in over 30 magazines anywhere from Maxim, FHM to Playboy. She was arrested at least twice for doing her site and was featured on CNN one of the times. I got the idea to do this page because another model in Melissa's field has a page on your site http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raven_Riley and I was trying to do a similar one for Melissa but I am still learning how the site works. I in no way wanted to put things that are not allowed but I have read many pages on your site and they explained what people had done in there careers and the impact they had made in there field. Melissa is one of the only girls in the adult world that owns and runs her own company and is trying to get other girls to follow in her footsteps so they are not taken advantage of. She is very generous with the community donating quite a bit of what she makes back to the community. I feel she is more then worthy of having a page. If you tell me what I can and can't put I would be more then happy to follow your rules. Thanks, Shane

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Melissa_Harrington_AKA_MelissaMidwest.com&action=edit —Preceding unsigned comment added by MelissaMidwest (talk • contribs) 00:21, 18 January 2008 (UTC) . Hello are you there. So are you going to call me tomorrow. If you are gonna call me tomorrow just call me on your mobile, ok cause my dad & mum is gonna get angry at me if your gonna call me from the phone. Thank you for sending your message about when you were young & born.

Articles about people need to explain the person's notability, and provide reliable sources to back up these claims - this is the only "worthy" that counts here. For more in00:56, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

If you think you can demonstrate notability, etc, then you might like to create a draft of the page in private user space, eg User:MelissaMidwest/MelissaMidwest. When you're ready, come back here and ask for a review and if you meet the above acronyms, someone will move the page in main-space. But be warned, you never 'own' a page, other people are always free to edit it, or to propose it for deletion, which they will, if it isn't clearly notable. Regards, Ben Aveling 01:06, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Also see: Wikipedia:User_account_policy#Company/group names and Wikipedia:User_account_policy#Sharing accounts. Wikipedia has much stricter requirements for articles than many other wikis. You might want to check out other public wikis in wikiindex:Category:Pornography, such as for example NikkiWiki which according to its WikiIndex entry uses the same MediaWiki software as Wikipedia, so editing there probably works much like it does here (different MediaWiki wikis can have different features enabled, so they are not all 100% compatible, but the basic editing commands generally work the same way). Wikis that specialize in a given topic usually accept a wider range of articles within their topic than Wikipedia does. --Teratornis (talk) 04:53, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

after several tries, cannot log in

I just created a new account and have verified several disguised graphic phrases, but it does not let me log in. I have been told that my email has been verified, after I clicked on the link sent. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.141.74.126 (talk) 00:23, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

I’m assuming that “disguised graphic phrases” is referring to the CAPTCHA. I don’t have an answer for you, but hopefully someone can provide one. —Travis^talk 00:33, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

See Help:Logging in. Usernames and passwords are case sensitive. The account must be at the language Wikipedia you log in to. What is the username and what happens when you try to log in? PrimeHunter (talk) 01:19, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Boxed templates...

How do I put a box around a template, like {{Unreferenced}}? Kitsune 01:24, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Use Template:tl, like this: {{Unreferenced}}.   jj137 ^♠ 01:25, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Eh, that's not what I meant, I meant, click Template:Unreferenced, and look at the template. See the box around it? I want it like that. How do I place a box around text in a template? Kitsune 01:28, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Is {{Ambox}} what you're after? Bencherlite^Talk 01:30, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, something like that! Kitsune 01:32, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

My question was: How do I copy that sort of thing and make a box on my own wiki? :( Kitsune 01:33, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

View the source of any template that you want to emulate to see how other authors did it. —Travis^talk 01:34, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

(undent) Porting templates to other MediaWiki wikis can be somewhat difficult, because the template in question may:

• Transclude other templates, which in turn may transclude more templates. You have to copy all the transcluded templates to your wiki, or edit your template code to supply the same functions.
• Require various extensions. This may be true if the template you want to copy or adapt contains markup codes that "bleed through" unprocessed on your wiki when you view a page that transcludes your template. For example, many templates on Wikipedia rely on the ParserFunctions extension, and you have to install this yourself on MediaWiki. See Special:Version for a list of extensions installed on whatever wiki you are looking at.
• Require various CSS style classes to be in MediaWiki:Common.css. The easiest solution is to copy the whole page from Wikipedia to your wiki, although that will almost certainly be overkill.

Obviously, the more you learn about template programming, the fewer problems you will have with copying templates or template ideas from other MediaWiki wikis. I don't know if anyone has actually written a template porting guide, but this question comes up often enough on the Help desk to indicate demand for such a guide. --Teratornis (talk) 05:12, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Is there a way to make text invisible everywhere except when on the edit page?

I know there is a function for this in HTML, but is there a Wiki tag to make notes only visible to someone editing the page, such as a direct note to someone editing that those reading the page don't need to see? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.144.233.204 (talk) 02:33, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, enclose your text like this: <!-- Text here -->. Try to avoid doing this though, the talk page may be a better place to put a note on the article. Prodego ^talk 02:36, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Prodego’s disclaimer. I think that html comments should only be used to explain some element of the page layout or other technical detail. It can also be used in non-article pages to give instructions to other editors, for example, <!-- PLEASE ADD COMMENTS BELOW THIS --> could be used on a talk page. —Travis^talk 02:48, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

See also Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Invisible comments. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:11, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

says I didn't cite sources but I did

The article on "compulsory public education" has a notice on it saying it doesn't cite any sources. But as you can see, it does. How do I get rid of that notice? Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Griffothy (talk • contribs) 02:44, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

When you click "edit this page" at the top, you will see a template that looks like this {{Unreferenced|date=(date)}}; remove it. Voila.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 02:46, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

The article was missing {{reflist}} when it was tagged, but you have since added it. I took the liberty of removing the tags. —Travis^talk 02:52, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

China

Are there any ways to get around China's block? I have a friend who's going through withdrawal--69.246.23.58 (talk) 02:47, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

See Blocking of Wikipedia in mainland China. —Travis^talk 02:57, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

making a page

I am trying to make a page about a comedian named Steve Patterson. Someone is saying it should be deleted because I don't have enough sources. the page is still under construction. What should I do? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Britney901 (talk • contribs) 02:52, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

State your case on the article’s deletion discussion page. —Travis^talk 02:54, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

The article is at Articles for deletion, here Barring a snow close (which is extremely unlikely, except as a keep), the deletion debate will be there for five days or longer before any action is taken with respect to the article, including deletion. So my suggestion to you is to first read Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions before commenting at the deletion debate, and whether you do or don't, go add sources to the article. Two users have already expressed their opinion that the subject is notable, and should be kept, but that the article needs more sources to establish that notability.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 03:00, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Special TOC

On this page I'd like to have a TOC box that looks like this
1953 1954 1955 1956 1957 1958 1959
1960 1961 1962 1963 1964 1965 1966 1967 1968 1969
1970 1971 1972 1973 1974 1975 1976 1977 1978 1979
etc.
With the years divided into decade groups, instead of one hugely long vertical list. Is there any way to do this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dizzy hiss (talk • contribs) 03:17, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Oops. I took the liberty to create a TOC before you clarified your query. You may revert it. And sorry, i dont know how to create a horizontal TOC like you wanted. kawaputra^torque 03:37, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps {{CompactTOC8}} can fulfill your need. —Travis^talk 03:46, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Then again, no. That only works as an alphabetic TOC. —Travis^talk 03:58, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

MediaWiki's markup language is not a full-blown programming language with loops, so it is hard to write a template which could compactly generate a TOC box with variable start years, end years, and number of years per row. However, Wikipedia's users have made some remarkably intricate templates, so I hesitate to say it can't be done. If you have an hour to burn, you might browse through the intricate template category and see if anyone has done anything similar to what you want to do. --Teratornis (talk) 05:22, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the replies. I didn't think it would be possible, but thought I'd ask. Next question: can you have a TOC that's hidden by default? --Dizzy hiss (talk) 12:15, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes. Put __NOTOC__, that's two underscores, NOTOC, then another two underscores. I've done it on my userpage if you would like to take a look. NF24^{(radio me!)} 12:20, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, but what I'm looking for is to have a Table of Contents on the page, but collapsed (hidden) so that all you would see is a box that says "Contents [show]". You could then click on the "show" link to see the full TOC. --Dizzy hiss (talk) 12:55, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

I have added {{TOCleft}} to the page. It accomplishes basically what you are looking for. If you want it to start out collapsed whenever a user visits the page I believe there is also a way to do that.--Oni Ookami Alfador^Talk|@ 13:50, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Another alternative is to Create 1st tier section for each decate (1950s, 1960s, etc) and then use the {{TOClimit}} feature so only the top level section titles will show in the table of contents.--Oni Ookami Alfador^Talk|@ 13:53, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

background

this isnt actually a question,its a suggestion,why dont yall make your background color actively changeable for the viewer so the bright white background doesnt hurt peoples eyes while there trying reading, and possibly make the text color changeable too.didnt know how else to contact yall. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.218.30.46 (talk) 06:31, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

If you WP:REGISTER for an account, you can easily change the colours using a WP:SKIN. Bovlb (talk) 07:44, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

PLease remove pages on 'beauty queens'

Dear all, i would like to request the authorities of Wikipedia to REMOVE pages featuring beauty queens. In particular the page on 'Romanthi Maria Colombage' of Sri Lanka who participatedin the 2007 Miss WOlrd contest. i have personally found Wikipedia to be of immense interst and have gained much knowledge by browsing through its many pages. BUt i find that wasting pages in 'beauty queens' demeans such a web portal which has so much knowledge and interst to people. Kindly remove such pages, especially miss romanthi as she adds no colour or life to such a vibrant encyclopedia.. Thanks and Regards, an avid patron —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.247.212.30 (talk) 10:48, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

What stays or goes in Wikipedia depends on the person's (real or fictional), company, etc Wikipedia:Notability amongst other things. So unless a page violates Wikipedia:Policies and guidelines we keep it. VivioFateFan ^{(Talk, Sandbox)} 11:26, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a paper encyclopedia and has plenty of storage capacity so I wouldn't say "wasting pages" about things I don't like. With 6,870,015 articles, there are probably many things any given person doesn't like. See Wikipedia:Deletion policy if you want to suggest deletion of pages. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:28, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Has Information about Article Changes through RSS Feeds Been Substantially Reduced?

I follow the changes in about 150 articles by using the RSS Feed that is available under the "history" tab for Wikipedia articles.

Prior to about January 1, 2008 the feed would send a complete description of any changes to articles with the older revision in yellow and the newer revision in blue and the changes in red just like when you click on the "compare selected versions" button in the history tab of an article.

Since about January 1, all that seems to be coming in the RSS Feed is the "Edit Summary" with no details about the change that has been made to an article, making it substantially more difficult and time consuming to see if vandalism has taken place on an article.

Has there been a change in Wikipedia Policy about sending the complete description of changes via RSS or is there some setting in preferences I haven't been able to find that will get me back the complete description of changes made to articles via RSS feed.

Best Regards,

Reservoirhill (talk) 11:58, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

I checked the feed for this page, and each entry contains both the edit summary and the diff, at least in Mozilla Firefox. There doesn't seem to be anything wrong with the source code generated by the feed. Is it possible there's been a change in the software you use to view the feeds that could be cutting them off? Maybe a setting to only show the title? • Anakin ^{(contribs • complaints)} 16:15, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

No, I haven't changed anything that I know of. I'm using the Google RSS Reader on Firefox. The funny thing is that if I scroll down through old postings all the ones before January 1 still show the diff. It's only after January 1, that only the edit summary shows up. Since it is obviously there, I'll try a different reader and see if that fixes it.

Thanks for your help.

Reservoirhill (talk) 16:38, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Difficulty with referencing.

After reading instructions multiple times, I am unable to understand the directions related to referencing (and linking) web pages and was interested in whether someone can assist me for the following site?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icos —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.113.78.21 (talk) 12:34, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

You have to add {{reflist}} at the bottom of the page in a new References section. I've done it for you. Now you might want to use {{Cite web}} to format all those refs correctly. NF24^{(radio me!)} 12:38, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Blackberry

Would be AMAZING if you guys could get a download for the Blackberry so that we can have a local Wikipedia application on there. CONSTANTLY use the BB to search on the internet and would love to search with Wikipedia about information. Excellent website and organization, keep up the good work.

Robert Diaz —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.95.28.130 (talk) 14:28, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

You may want to propose this at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals) or Wikipedia:Village pump (technical).--Oni Ookami Alfador^Talk|@ 15:13, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

If TomeRaider runs on the BlackBerry, you could get Wikipedia that way. I looked at the Tomeraider site, however, and nothing about the BlackBerry jumps right out where I could see it. However, a Google search for TomeRaider BlackBerry finds lots of pages that mention both terms, for example this page which seems to be selling TomeRaider for the BlackBerry. Maybe you can figure it out; I don't own a BlackBerry, so I'm not sure. --Teratornis (talk) 05:18, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

You can just use Google from your BlackBerry browser to search Wikipedia. Just pull up Google in your browser and search on "site:en.wikipedia.org stuff" where stuff is the Wikipedia entry you want to find. A slightly more convenient setup is to save the URL "http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aen.wikipedia.org" as a bookmark. When you hit that bookmark it will pull up a Google search window with "site:en.wikipedia.org" already filled out and all you have to do is add the search term. Lastly, you could just use this guy's Wikipeida for BlackBerry tool. ;-) —Noah 19:01, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Masers of haematology in Ireland please

Please give me a list universies providing postigraduate and master of science degree in haematology and blood transifusion —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.45.39.111 (talk) 14:35, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

This page is for answering questions about Wikipedia. Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps.--Oni Ookami Alfador^Talk|@ 15:09, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Hide minor and reverted edits in history

The histories of some stable (neglected?) articles, e.g. Physics, are dominated by reverted vandalism and minor changes. This makes for a history that's hard to check for substantive changes. Is there some way to hide minor and/or reverted edits so the history will be easier to look at? Thanks, Gnixon (talk) 14:45, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

In your settings, under watchlist, you can hide minor and bot edits on your watchlist. Unfortunately there is no way to hide edits on a particular page without requesting oversight which is generally only done to protect personal information.--Oni Ookami Alfador^Talk|@ 15:11, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I forgot about the minor/bot edits setting. Too bad there's not some filter for ignoring obvious cases of reverted vandalism that can be applied from the history page. Gnixon (talk) 17:43, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

adding

how do you add pages —Preceding unsigned comment added by Weedman19899891 (talk • contribs) 14:49, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Just type the right address for that page in the address bar and you'll be taken to a form for creating the page. Hope that helps! Gnixon (talk) 15:02, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Some additional tips:

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:17, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

How do I create a sub page on my user page?--Htw3 (talk) 14:59, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Similar to the above, append "/Subpage_Name" to the address of your user page. Gnixon (talk) 15:02, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

See more at Wikipedia:User page. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:17, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

How to look up a meaning of a word

How to look up a meaning of a word —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.33.138.65 (talk) 15:26, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Try Wiktionary. Jauerback (talk) 15:35, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Nintendo DS Browser

Will this divice work with dial-up internet? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.177.103.49 (talk) 16:31, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps.Jauerback (talk) 16:39, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Quickly fixing broken pipes?

When you rename an article, that tends to create broken pipes. Right? You have to check the "pages that link here" thing on the left. When you do that, though, sometimes you find that there are hundreds of pages and it can be tedious to fix them all. Are there any scripts or bots that can automate this? ☯  Zenwhat (talk) 16:43, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Pages should be renamed by moving them. This automatically creates a redirect so links to the former location still work. The only problem is double redirects. It's recommended to fix them right away but otherwise a bot will do it automatically at some time. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:00, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it creates double redirects, and you should also fix the single redirects, and yes there are often hundreds of them. I do not know of an automated way to do this, and I would be very leery of an attempt to automate this in any event. One quick tip: when there are a great many links, they many of them are frequently generated by templates. So ont he"what links here" page, start by selecting "templates" instead of "all." It takes the software awhile to update the "what links here" page for links from templates. -Arch dude (talk) 03:45, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Email Spam/Abuse

Resolved

 – SharkAtomic has been indef-blocked by an admin. 18:39, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi. I've been editing in Wikipedia for more than a year now, but I just encountered my first case of email spam/abuse today. A user named SharkAtomic used Wikipedia to send this message to me via e-mail:

Hello, I present myself, I am a man of 25 years. I have a phantasm, it is that which an unknown woman looks at my photographs of me naked and sexy. If you want my photographs answer me and I send them immediately to you. I hope not to have to disturb to you and that you will answer my request favorably. I would really like that is possible because for me it is a dream which an unknown woman looks at my photographs. You would make ego the happiest man in the world. Please, please accept please. It is not a joke, I am really motivated, and that is done with a very great discretion. Good day.

After doing a Google search using the first line of the said message, I discovered that at least one other Wikipedia editor received the same email from the same person. I was just wondering, does this violate any Wikipedia policy and can the user be sanctioned for it? I looked through the policies a while ago and I couldn't find anything about cases like this, but I just thought I'd ask here to make sure. Thanks. --SilentAria ^talk 17:01, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

That's kinda creepy. Sanctioned for it? Trout slapping maybe? It violates Wikipedia is not a social network at least. • Anakin ^{(contribs • complaints)} 17:28, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

There isn’t anything that the help desk can do about this, however you might want to submit this to Wikipedia:Wikiquette alerts. If that doesn’t work, you can submit it to the Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. —Travis^talk 17:40, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

I just checked something: it is possible for an administrator to block a user's ability to use the Special:Emailuser feature, and apply this block to the IP address as well so that it would be blocked even from sockpuppet accounts. That should probably be a last resort though, as it might possibly affect other users. Mr SharkAtomic needs to understand that Wikipedia is not a place to find and contact people to show them naked pictures. For one thing minors use the web site. For another, he'd have much better luck on a web site designed for that sort of thing. • Anakin ^{(contribs • complaints)} 17:50, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

I made a post at AN/I here. For all we know he is sending mails to dozens of people, so it is important this is handled well. The eyes and experience from AN/I might help. Arthena^(talk) 18:17, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

User also left an inappropriate message on another user’s talk page. I reverted it and warned him. —Travis^talk 18:19, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Indef-blocked, e-mail disabled. Block, revert, ignore. Fut.Perf. ☼ 18:37, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the help, everyone! :) --SilentAria ^talk 22:56, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Mainspace edits

Hi. Could someone please explain to me what qualify as mainspace edits? Ever since I created this account I've been mainly reverting vandalism. I'm thinking of becoming an admin sometime and I want to be a more well-rounded editor. Could someone please show me some tasks I can get involved in on the site mainspace. Thanks.--Urban Rose 18:13, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

A good place to start is Wikipedia:Community Portal where you can find a variety of things that need to be done. Cheers! —Travis^talk 18:18, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Mainspace. Basically, article editing. x42bn6 Talk Mess 18:27, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

(EC)Any edit you make in the primary article space. (nothing like Talk: or Wikipedia: or template: in front of it) is essentially a mainspace edit. Basically when someone refers to a number of mainspace edits they are expecting a level of actual contributions to articles, as opposed to just chatting back and forth with users or rearranging your user page.--Oni Ookami Alfador^Talk|@ 18:29, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

One of the best ways to get more involved in this is to join a wikiproject related to something you are familliar with. For example, if you are familiar with many different cars you could join Wikipedia:WikiProject Automobiles as an example.--Oni Ookami Alfador^Talk|@ 18:31, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

See the definitions at Wikipedia:Main namespace and Wikipedia:Namespace. Reverting vandalism to articles is mainspace edits but many people in a request for adminship may prefer other types of experience. See Wikipedia:Requests for adminship if you haven't already. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:32, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Links are removed

I keep posting external links on the "dental implant" page and they keep disappearing. Why? Srobert1944 (talk) 18:35, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

If you were 76.109.162.23 then they were removed because they were spam links; the reverting editor identified them as that in the edit summary. -- Mentifisto 18:41, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:External links. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of external links, nor is it for advertising. The rest of the links on that article could use some serious cleanup too actually, if anyone is in a spam swatting mood. • Anakin ^{(contribs • complaints)} 18:48, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

User boxes, alignment

The User boxes on my User Page are in two columns. I want to move the second column to the right so that it aligns with the right side of the page.

How do I do that ?

Thanks,

Tovojolo (talk) 18:56, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Userboxes are themselves miniature tables. Using information at wikipedia:tables you could substitute the userbox and use the align parameter. You could also include them in a larger table and use the parameter on that. As I have done at User:Oni Ookami Alfador/Sidebar.--Oni Ookami Alfador^Talk|@ 19:26, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

You might also want to check out Template:Userboxtop. —Noah 19:00, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

removing "Quality standards" statement

Now that internal links/references have been provided, how can the following statement be removed? Site is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICOS.

This article or section needs to be wikified to meet Wikipedia's quality standards. Please help improve this article with relevant internal links. (April 2007) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.113.78.21 (talk) 18:59, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Internal links aren't the same as inline references. It's still lacking internal wikilinks and the refs need some formatting you see. I will fix it up a bit. • Anakin ^{(contribs • complaints)} 19:05, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikilinks are like this, and are made using this: [[Link]]. _{WEBURIEDOURSECRETSINTHEGARDEN}^{play it cool.} 19:14, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, but upon reading the article, I'm tagging it with {{advert}} as it looks very much like advertising. _{WEBURIEDOURSECRETSINTHEGARDEN}^{play it cool.} 19:20, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

How can one advertise a company that is no longer in business? • Anakin ^{(contribs • complaints)} 19:42, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

There is nothing to advertise here. This is a company that is no longer in existence and, as the article notes, had a 17-year history that is important because of 2 main reasons: (a) the company was the largest biotechnology company in the Pacific Northwest before its closure and termination of employees (following its acquisition by Eli Lilly) and (b) it had a single blockbuster therapy (Cialis) that made it attractive to large Pharma despite its inability to successfully develop other drugs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.113.78.21 (talk) 19:46, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

{{advert}} doesn’t mean that text is advertising but rather that it reads like advertising. I.e. it is unencyclopedic. --teb728 t c 03:36, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Addition Deleted?

I added a little-known fact about Carl Sagan and it is no longer there. It is not offensive in any way. It just stated that there is a charter school named after and based on his work and beliefs that everyone can and does learn. Why was it deleted? HELP! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Azanakamili (talk • contribs) 21:10, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

If you check the page history of that article, you'll see that another editor removed it with the edit summary, "promotion much?". Apparently they thought that the paragraph was too promotional of the school and didn't conform to neutral point of view. You should read the neutral point of view guidelines and rewrite the paragraph slightly to make it sound less promotional, and a bit more balanced. Hope this helps. If you need any more help feel free to ask again. • Anakin ^{(contribs • complaints)} 22:10, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

On second thoughts, those guidelines are incredibly long and rambling. Take a look at Wikipedia:Avoid peacock terms instead; it's shorter and more to the point. • Anakin ^{(contribs • complaints)} 22:16, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

can i find information about dating businesses?

I plan to start a dating business. Where can I find mentors online?

68.211.73.117 (talk) 21:52, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Have you tried the Miscellaneous section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps. • Anakin ^{(contribs • complaints)} 21:59, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

See also

• Matchmaking
• Anonymous matching
• Online dating service
• Dating agency

I hope that helps. The Transhumanist 22:26, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Help disappearing text when I editr

Please help me I'm trying to make changes to pages on the fench Baroque and it doesnt work. First some of the text disappears and then it goes away and I made a change but made I typo but it went awat too. Someone called Voabot is saying I vandalized but I just cant figure out how to restore text /SAVE

1. SAVE

Done —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brodie2 (talk • contribs) 22:32, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

I see you've been typing commands into the edit box, "/restore", "/quit", "/save" , etc. Note that the edit box is basically like any other text editor. Go to the text and make the change you want with the letter and arrow keys, and then click the Save button below the edit box. It doesn't accept typed commands. Make sure you're not selecting or highlighting any text with the mouse or with the ⇧ Shift keys, or the highlighted text will disappear when you next type. Have a read of Wikipedia:Introduction and Wikipedia:Tutorial, and try out your editing in the Wikipedia sandbox, so that you won't be told off by the robots for deleting text. If you do manage to delete some text, please don't save that version of the page.

If I have completely misunderstood your question, forgive me; please ask again, and clarify. To do so, click the "[edit]" link to the right hand side of the heading above, and type your question at the bottom of this section. Hope this helps, and please feel free to ask again. • Anakin ^{(contribs • complaints)} 22:40, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

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You have misunderstood. I have no trouble inserting the links and saving them:

• Dental-Implants.com: The Source for all information about dental implants
• DDS-online.com: Dental education and online courses on dental implants
• Dental-Implants.com: Cost of Dental Implants
• dentalimplant411.com: Dental Implants- Cost of dental implants. Dental implant information. Find dental implant dentist
• dentalimplant411.com: Learn about cost of dental implants

It is just that I come back a day or two later and they have been erased! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Srobert1944 (talk • contribs) 23:03, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

It appears that those links are in violation of the external links policy. This will lead to the links being removed. NF24^{(radio me!)} 23:08, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Srobert1944, I think you have edited in the wrong section, please see the reply to your question above.... • Anakin ^{(contribs • complaints)} 23:11, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

January 19

Proper procedure if your employer is a notable entity?

I believe that my employer is notable under WP:CORP, for reasons I've outlined on my user page.

What is the correct procedure for causing an article to be created? I see that I shouldn't write it myself, per WP:AB; I also see that I shouldn't submit it to WP:AFC. I am concerned that WP:RA has accumulated a massive backlog and has little activity.[1] Would it be inappropriate to ask a disinterested acquaintance to write it? To look for Wikipedians interested in the science of aging and ask some of them if they'd be interested in writing it? Failing everything else, to write it as neutrally as possible and submit it to some kind of peer review?

I appreciate it! --SierraSciSPA (talk) 01:23, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Go ahead and write it yourself, but in userspace as a subpage of your user page. Then come back and ask us (or others, if you can find someone) fora review. Once one or more disinterested reviewers have commented on the article, ask a reviewer to move it to main space. WP:COI is not a strict prohibition, but it is written very strongly to make sure that an interested party must try a lot harder to maintain NPOV. And good luck! -Arch dude (talk) 03:32, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Columns

How do you get three columns across the page ?

Thanks,

Tovojolo (talk) 02:00, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

See Help:List for how to do it with a table. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:58, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

How can I get a deleted page re-created?

I created a page for wikipedia in 2006 for the term caricology. The page needed a reference and was deleted by wikipedia. Nevertheless, the term is cited under the entry in wikipedia for the word Carex. I have just now added the references to the Carex entry. I believe wikipedia may now want to re-add my info on the term caricology, since you now have references supporting the term. Sedgehead (talk) 03:08, 19 January 2008 (UTC)Philip E. Hyatt

Either you can recreate the article or go to deletion review to get the previous edition undeleted. I would just recreate the article given your circumstances. See Wikipedia:Citing sources for information on adding references. NF24^{(radio me!)} 03:10, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Caricology was not deleted. It was redirected to Carex after this version. Wikipedia is not a dictionary so a redirect was appropriate for that version. Carex is a short article and I see no reason to have a separate article for a term meaning the study of Carex. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:50, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Dinghies_on_Kinghorn_Loch.JPG#file

1. As a first time user playing in the sandbox I inadvertently managed to upload the above image and now can't remove it. Can you do so because I did not intend to make this copyright free.

2. How do I add a new page with a photo and hyperlinks embedded in it? I wanted to upload the following new content with the imagehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:K14_Loch_from_hide.JPG embedded in it:

Kinghorn Community Land Association

KCLA is a Community Body recognised by the Scottish Government to bring land into community ownership using the Land Reform (Scotland) Act 2003. It has over 100 local members and has successfully obtained Ministerial approval to register the Kinghorn community's interests in 19 plots of land at and around Kinghorn Loch, in Fife, Scotland. This Right to Buy aims to secure community control over land in the long term and access to Lottery funds for improvements.

Kinghorn Loch was first gifted to the Town in 1605 by King James VI of Scotland (James I of England). Although sold off in the the 19th Century, it remains a highly attractive and well used focus of natural heritage, leisure educational and environmental activity benefiting not just the local community but people from further afield. An important feature and highly regarded attraction is the Ecology Centre, renowned for its environmental education and social inclusion work. It also hosts the first UK Earthship building.

Faced with some uncertainty over the future of the Loch area and its facilities, KCLA has sought Registrations of Community Interest to give the Town the opportunity through first refusal to exercise a Right to Buy as and when a willing landowner chooses to sell. These registrations have twice been supported with petitions signed by some 25% of the local electorate.

Right to Buy purchases will only go ahead with the support of local people in a ballot. Scottish Ministers will appoint an independent valuer to decide a fair price for the landowner and the local community.

link to [2]

ENDS

Thanks

Cemitchell (talk) 04:01, 19 January 2008 (UTC)cme

Responded on user talk. --omtay38 04:07, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

I have deleted Image:Dinghies on Kinghorn Loch.JPG. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:09, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Multiple images

Resolved

I've just uploaded a picture on the commons. But, an image with the exact name already exists in Wikipedia (I probably should have checked this). I tried [[commons:Image:Zune.jpg|120px]], but that just created a link to the page, not rendering an image. What should I do? Thanks --Weatherman1126 (talk) 04:35, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

See Help:Images and other uploaded files#File name. You can request deletion of the commons image and upload it with a new name. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:50, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! --Weatherman1126 (talk) 05:05, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

How do I make a wikipedia page?

How do I make a wikipedia page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Polishking94 (talk • contribs) 06:30, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. PrimeHunter (talk) 06:38, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

MAp

how to locate or find our city through wikipedia —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.96.144.82 (talk) 06:51, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

What is your city? Did you try searching for its name using the box on the left? Wikipedia is not an atlas, and while we do have maps, they tend to be few and simple. You might like to try Google Maps. Bovlb (talk) 07:01, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

If you are physically in your city, you can locate it by stepping outside and looking around. If you want to locate an article about your city in Wikipedia, you can try searching for it. If you want to know your geographic coordinates, see: Wikipedia:Obtaining geographic coordinates. Wikipedia has articles about many cities, but if your city is small, we might not have an article about it yet. The coverage in the English Wikipedia is probably better in the English-speaking countries, e.g., we have articles about many small towns in the United States, but in a nation like Myanmar we might only cover the major cities. If your city has a common name, you might have to sort through several articles to find it. For example, we have articles on Athens, Greece; Athens, Ohio; Athens, Georgia; and others on Athens (disambiguation). If you had told us the name of your city, we could have given you an exact answer. --Teratornis (talk) 19:05, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

This user appears to be in India, possibly in the vicinity of Ahmedabad. Bovlb (talk) 01:50, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Memorial Hospital, Houston, TX

I was born in Downtown Memorial Hospital, Houston, TX, in Nov. 1937. It was later torn down to make way for progress. How can I find the history of that hospital: i.e.; when was it built and when was it torn down?

Jack Cooper <personal info removed>…69.151.245.145 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 16:28, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia does not appear to have an article about the subject you are looking for. Try posting your question (with perhaps a little more detail about the location and/or relevant dates) over at the Reference desk. Happy editing! --omtay38 16:36, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

This link seems to indicate it was moved in 1971 and torn down in 1977. —Noah 19:16, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Adenomyosis

An additional symptom of this condition is constant severe back pain. The back pain is due to the swollen uterus pressing up against other internal organs that then press against the lower spine. This condition is also much more common in women of Black African ancestry than Causcasian and Asian women due to the keloiding process in the formation of scar tissue in women of Black African descent. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.188.23.59 (talk) 18:12, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Hello there! Is there something particular we can help you with? Are you maybe looking for the article on Adenomyosis? --omtay38 18:19, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

If you have suggestions for the article on Adenomyosis, and you have not yet learned enough about editing on Wikipedia to edit the article yourself, a somewhat easier method is to suggest your changes on the talk page for the article, in this case: Talk:Adenomyosis. Please read Help:Talk page first, so you understand how to use our talk pages. If you have never edited on a wiki before, there is much here you probably won't find intuitive, so Reading The Friendly Manuals is necessary. --Teratornis (talk) 18:55, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercheats

Hello,

You have information regarding my site http://www.supercheats.com here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercheats

It forwards directly to UGO.com's wiki page.

It is not owned by UGO we are merely advertising partners, please immediately cease this forwarding, if a page for supercheats.com is not valid in your directly as a page on it's own then please kindly remove it from your database completely, you should not be forwarding our site to a reference for UGO.com there is no ownership relationship we are ad partners like we are with many other companies.

If you would like to check my ownership credentials please visit netsol.com and do a whois look up and email that address (it changes frequently to prevent spam), it will forward to my real account. Alternatively use http://www.supercheats.com/contacts.php

Yours faithfully,

Richard Gardner Webmaster http://www.supercheats.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by Webmednet (talk • contribs) 18:16, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Hello there! Per your request the article has been proposed for deletion (see here). If nobody objects to the deletion, the article will be removed in five (5) days. Hope this helps! --omtay38 18:27, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Given that it was only created last week, apparently to stop another article being created about it (see history) after vandalism of the previous article (which I'm not convinced is a good reason to have a redirect), another administrator might also choose to delete it immediately and simply protect the title. But then I am not an admin. • Anakin ^{(contribs • complaints)} 18:39, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

I've gone ahead and deleted the redirect, I don't think protecting from recreation is necessary yet. Mr.Z-man 18:49, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi Richard, I suggested creating the UGO redirect at the Supercheats deletion discussion. I'm sorry for misinterpreting the business relationship between the two websites. ˉˉ^anetode╦╩ 13:39, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

referencing

how would I reference the material I used from this site at the end of a case study? In APA format

The Citing Wikipedia help page covers APA format. —Noah 19:25, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

what is grungy?

what is grungy? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.83.215.180 (talk) 19:16, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

An adjective form of the noun grunge.—Noah 19:19, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

"citation needed" Greek Railways Organismós Sidirodrómon Elládos Network and stations

" When the line was fully open the journey took about 5 hours.[citation needed]"

It would be difficult to verify this today as the timetables have been long lost! They were chalked up on a blackboard on Volos station and I made the journey from Volos to Meteora/Kalambaka in both directions in 1990 when the line was still open. If anyone else has made this journey they would be able to verify it - or it might be possible to obtain the old timetable from OSE. Comment added by Harfo32 (talk • contribs) 19:33, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Verifiability says: "The burden of evidence lies with the editor who adds or restores material. All quotations and any material challenged or likely to be challenged should be attributed to a reliable, published source using an inline citation."

Adding [citation needed] with {{fact}} or similar is a challenge. If you added the statement about 5 hours but don't have a published reliable source and don't think you can find one then I suggest to remove the time. By the way, Organismós Sidirodrómon Elládos has two almost identical sections called "Network and Stations". I guess it was first copied and then modified a little. You know the article well so will you fix it? PrimeHunter (talk) 23:27, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

The "Network and Stations" duplicate has been fixed. --Harfo32 (talk) 15:43, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

I will see if I can track down a reliable source of Greek Railway Timetables dating back to 1990, If not, I will remove the time! --Harfo32 (talk) 15:46, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Related question: Someone has also added 'citation needed' tag to "Key people" in the "Organismos Sidirodromon Ellados (O.S.E.)" infobox of this article. First, the information is on the OSE webpage http://www.ose.gr/ecportal.asp?id=656&nt=18&lang=2 (even if Prof. N. K. Baltas is there listed as 'President'). Second, how in the first place references should be added to an infobox!???--Sivullinen (talk) 15:40, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Need a hand with IPA

The article Brisingr could use a pronunciation key, but I just can't seem to wrap my mind around IPA well enough to do one and be confident that its correct. As explained on the article's talk page, an official press release gives "BRIS-ing-gr". If anybody could convert that into IPA, I'd be much obliged.--Fyre2387 ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:38, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Have you used the audio clips on the Help:IPA page? The audio clips are indicated by little speaker icons . —Noah 19:45, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

By the way, my best guess is that it would be (Template:PronEng) although that is my first attempt at using IPA. —Noah 20:15, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Are u sure about the "ʒ" part? I would guess (Template:PronEng). Although im also new to this. kawaputra^torque 03:52, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Userpage

Resolved

Question, on my userpage where it has the purge server cache and edit counter, what dose the purge server cache erase. →Dust Rider→ 20:45, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Nevermind. →Dust Rider→ 20:52, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

how do i do an artical

how do i do an artical —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.155.83.186 (talk) 20:45, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

You will need to first register an account, which has many benefits, including the ability to create articles. Once you have registered, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. NF24^{(radio me!)} 20:47, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Waiting

How long does it take for Special:Whatlinkshere to catch up once you correct a link in a template? Simply south (talk) 21:53, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

I guess you mean: Article A C transcludes template B which is corrected to link to article C A. When will Whatlinkshere for A include C? I don't know when/if it will happen by itself, but it should happen if C is edited. You can force it without a registered edit by making a null edit on C (purging C doesn't help). PrimeHunter (talk) 22:33, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

I'll try, thanks. Btw, it is Northumberland Park, London. Simply south (talk) 22:42, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

I swapped A and C in the example. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:50, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Erm, i'm not quite sure that is what is meant. Template:LB Haringey originally had Northumberland Park as a link which is a disambiguation page. I corrected the link on the template after (finall) creating the article on the area. I suppose this means only a null edit on the disambig page needs to happen in order to force the links to finally go to the suburb\district\area. Simply south (talk) 23:01, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

It was your question so you should best know what it meant. If my guess was wrong then can you please clarify what you want with the actual page names? "the links" is a bit vague. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:18, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

I think you were right but it seems the links are getting closer. I think i will just wait instead. Thanks for the help and suggestion. I will try this properly in the future. Simply south (talk) 01:11, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Who is watching?

Is there a magic button somewhere that shows who is watching an article?--Yamanbaiia^{(free hugs!)} 22:46, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

For administrators, Special:Unwatchedpages shows which pages are not on any watchlists, but I don't think anything tells which pages are watched, let alone who's watching them. Keilana|^{Parlez ici} 22:53, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

A warning to my ISP

Today I received a the following message...

Welcome to Wikipedia. We invite everyone to contribute constructively to our encyclopedia. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing. However, unconstructive edits are considered vandalism and immediately reverted. If you continue in this manner you may be blocked from editing without further warning. Please stop, and consider improving rather than damaging the work of others. Thank you.

I have never vandalised a Wikipedia page and the last time I made a small change to an arcticle that was being vandalised by another ISP was weeks ago. I am at a total loss as to why I was sent this message. Can you give me further information?

thank you :-) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.202.3.252 (talk) 22:47, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

This is probably because someone else shares or used to have your IP (internet protocol) address. This is no big deal, it happens quite a lot, but you may want to create an account so that you don't get any warnings not meant for you. Good luck, and thank you for contributing to Wikipedia. Keilana|^{Parlez ici} 22:55, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

The message was added 29 January 2007 [3], probably for this edit. The message is undated because the editor failed to sign it. You may recently have seen an orange banner saying "new messages" but "new" is misleading here. Don't worry about it. As Keilana said, somebody else probably used that IP address a year ago. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:03, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you both for replying, I appreciate it and I have actioned your 'create an account' advice Keilana.

regards, Lucy —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lucy Sky (talk • contribs) 12:26, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Mickey Rourke page

The birthday of Mickey Rourke should be 16sep1956 (see http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000620/) but it looks if it is not possible to edit that part of de information on wikipedia. When you open de page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mickey_Rourke and klick on edit directly right under content you get the information of the bio not the first part.

I hope I didn't do anything wrong or dumm if so let me know.

Regards, Conny Ruijgrok —Preceding unsigned comment added by Conny ruijgrok (talk • contribs) 23:21, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Click the "edit this page" tab at the top to edit the lead. In Gadgets at Special:Preferences you can choose to get an edit link for the lead. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:42, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Wow, I never found that option before. Wouldn't it be more sensible to put it under the Edit tab rather than Gadgets? Or even to set it as the default? (No doubt this has been debated in the past, so I'm sure there's a really really good reason...)--Shantavira|^{feed me} 16:55, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

January 20

Multiple identities?

For the past little while, I've been patrolling the recent changes pages and wiping out vandalism with the help of Twinkle (and Friendly). I enjoy the challenge and I'm glad to help out. There's one minor drawback, though, in that all those edits create a daunting list to go through when I want to quickly look back on discussions I've been having. What I'd been doing (until recently) was, as soon as I logged in, I would check My Contributions tab to see if there was anything requiring further input (I help out on FPC and RD) before going on with new stuff. Now, my contributions list is a huge mass of reverted vandalism, with my "personal" stuff getting lost in the tide. Is there any kind of policy or guideline toward me getting a second account? I'm not planning on sockpuppeting myself; I'd just like a way to keep my anti-vandal duties from interfering with my enjoyment of the rest of the site. Creating a second ID was the best idea I had on the subject, but I'm certainly willing to consider others. Thanks! Matt Deres (talk) 00:23, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

There is no explicit policy against that, as long as you make it clear that those two accounts are the same (links on the user pages, for example), and as long as you don't do any sock puppetry. I'd advise you to ask before doing anything that you worry may be against policy. --Evan Seeds (talk)(contrib.) 00:28, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

There's more info at WP:Username policy#Using_multiple_accounts. Astronaut (talk) 00:46, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Other alternatives would be (1) have a user (sub-)page with quick links to places you're particularly watching, for ease of reference (perhaps using "related changes" from the toolbox as well); (2) use your watchlist rather than your contributions to check for recent changes, either not adding pages you unvandalise to your watchlist or regularly cleaning out your watchlist to prevent it getting cluttered. Bencherlite^Talk 01:30, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the tips guys. One other thing I've just thought of - is there a way to hide minor edits from my contributions screen like there is for my watchlist? By default, Twinkle lists my rollbacks as minor edits. If there was a way to hide minor edits as well as the edits to user pages, I'd have a much cleaner list to work with. The thing I liked about using my contributions page as a starting point was that it would allow me to quickly jump to the section of the article where I'd posted; the watchlist only kind of does that indirectly. Matt Deres (talk) 03:53, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

creating a new page

I have a problem for finding a url to a page that lets me creat a new article. I guess my question is, how do I create a new page?

See Help:Starting a new page and Wikipedia:Your first article for instructions and notes on creating new pages. x42bn6 Talk Mess 01:37, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

population

How many people are there living in the world today? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.222.216.58 (talk) 02:21, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

According to our World population article, a recent estimate put the figure at exactly 6,641,114,623. In the future, please take fact-based questions to the reference desk. NF24^{(radio me!)} 02:24, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

remove search list

How do I delete or remove the list of previously searched items on Wikipedia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.70.121.10 (talk) 02:39, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

If I understand right, I think this is really a question about your browser, not about Wikipedia. On my browser (Mozilla firefox) I can click Tools-->Options-->Privacy and then there's a box I can check "Remember what I enter in forms and the search bar". I'm guessing (just guessing) that if you uncheck that, it will remove the list you want removed. If I understand you correctly. --Coppertwig (talk) 03:22, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

This was asked previously: see Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2008 January 12#clear search history. Algebraist 04:08, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikibreak

Can someone please assist me in setting up a wikibreak to end on January 19, 2028? Rhythmnation2004 (talk) 03:44, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Copy this code into your monobook.js file. However, if you are using a different skin than monobook, you will have a different .js file. See Wikipedia:WikiProject User scripts/Scripts for a list of .js filenames. Be aware that once you enforce your WikiBreak, there is *NO* way to change your mind becuase no one can edit your .js file except you. NF24^{(radio me!)} 12:57, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm not to sure about this since I am not an administrator, but I think they can edit other people's monobook.js files as well. VivioFateFan ^{(Talk, Sandbox)} 13:28, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, really? I thought that it was protected from everyone except you. NF24^{(radio me!)} 13:30, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Admins can edit peoples monobook.js. Woody (talk) 13:34, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

The top part of an editable page is not editable.

Is this a intended feature of Wikipedia pages? See for example "Carbon offseting". The "Conservative definition" part at the top of the page is not editable. When clinking on "Edit this page" it does not appear in the editable text. How do I use this feature? Can anyone block his or her text? How can I edit or remove that part ? Thank you. Please also reply to my email address [e-mail address removed] Thank you again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.105.96.22 (talk) 05:37, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

The "Conservative definition" paragraph has been removed, that's probably why you couldn't edit it. --Silver Edge (talk) 05:53, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Your post here was an hour after the removal. Maybe you have to bypass your cache to see the most recent version of the article. PrimeHunter (talk) 06:03, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Comment from Will2green

User talk:Zscout370 From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search This has become quite disturbing as my page keeps getting deleted, first of all my image got deleted supposedly because of Copyright violation, the image of which I created as well as produced for my patent...

Then my entire page was deleted for what ever reason I don't know, however I do assure you all the information was an original work by me...

Any and all materials not by me has been referenced...

Account: Will2green

Regards Will Green —Preceding unsigned comment added by Will2green (talk • contribs) 06:43, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

User talk:Will2green was deleted by Zscout370 with the summary: "(CSD G12: Blatant copyright infringement)". The page ended with "Copyright by Will Green 2006" and I just deleted it for the same reason. You cannot claim copyright on Wikipedia edits. You must agree to license them under the GNU Free Documentation License. See Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials if you have the copyright. But also see Wikipedia:Conflict of interest and Wikipedia:Original research. PrimeHunter (talk) 07:19, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Will, Similarly your image, Image:HP1.JPG, was deleted for reason WP:CSD#I4: You did not provide a copyright tag. All user-created images must be licensed under as free content. Your other image, Image:Run Motor.gif, will be deleted soon if you do not provide a copyright tag for it.

Admins, I’ll bet the original version of his talk page contained non-copyright-violation content. Shouldn’t the page be reverted to that? --teb728 t c 07:53, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

The version I deleted only had one edit. It was by Will2green in 2008 and ended "Copyright by Will Green 2006". The two earlier deleted versions only had edits by Will2green, by IP's which looked like Will2green based on their contributions, and by 2 bots and an editor giving standard messages about missing image copyright tags. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:59, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Small correction: The page history had the image copyright messages but they had been deleted by Will2green. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:26, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

how can i get an external link changed on a page that is locked

(Above question posted by User:EleInfo.)

You can request it on the page's Talk page. (The link to it is confusingly is labelled "discussion", just to the left of where the "edit" link would normally be.)--86.149.61.251 (talk) 11:29, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

When you post to the article's talk page, you can add the template {{editprotected}} above your post, which is likely to get you much quicker action.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 14:21, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Looking for a specific rule on Wikipedia

My question is regarding movies, games and shows from another language (Japanese for example) translated into English. When it comes to the names and terms used on a Wiki page, should should we use the ones from the original language or the dubbed/translated ones? Yes or No, please provide a link to the Wiki rule. Thanks Duhman0009 (talk) 14:48, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Hello there! Per the Manual of Style articles on the english wikipedia should be written in english except when unavoidable. For names or proper nouns, the "regional specific" spelling and/or pronunciation can be noted (in parenthesizes) next to the closest english approximation. This is especially true for names with non-latin characters (i.e. chinese). For more information on specific non-latin examples, see Manual of Style Hope this has helped! --omtay38 16:01, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I forgot to specify, I wasn't talking about putting names in Kanji or Kana, I was talking about for a video game like Street Fighter where the character Gouki is name Akuma outside of Japan. Now Street Fighter is a Japanese game, so his real name would be Gouki, so should this last name be the one used on his wiki page and every Street Fighter wiki page where he is mentioned? Duhman0009 (talk) 16:23, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Naming conventions provides a list of guidelines. The convention is normally to use the most common english name. --h2g2bob (talk) 18:42, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

I just read that, but it doesn't seem to apply to media in particular. Even if they are fictional characters, these are still proper names. Taking something closer to the English language, Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone (film) is the European title while Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone (film) is the American title. The European title is currently used in the Wikipedia page, so how is that different from using the Street Fighter example that I just gave? Duhman0009 (talk) 19:11, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia displays in an unreadable font

Dear helpdesk

On my pc Wikipedia dispays in a bold font that is very difficult to read. 81.204.93.59 (talk) 15:31, 20 January 2008 (UTC) What font do I need to download or how can I change it to a 'normal' font? 81.204.93.59 (talk) 15:31, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, Rik

What is your browser? Does it happen on all tested pages? Does it happen at other websites? Do you have an account? PrimeHunter (talk) 16:06, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

My Browsers is just plain IE 7.0. It happens on all Wiki pages (including this page), not on any other websites to my knowledge. I do not have an account. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.204.93.59 (talk) 17:01, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Go to your bar at the top and select view. Make sure that "text size" is set to medium and "encoding" is set to either Western European or Unicode. If either of these two setting is altered it can potentially screw up the way the page looks.--Oni Ookami Alfador^Talk|@ 17:56, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

You may be experiencing a bug in IE7 or it may be a configuration problem. Here are some questions and some things to try.

• Check the "skin" you are using in Preferences. Try the various skins and see if that changes things for the better.
• Have you cleared your browser cache recently? (IE7's online help will explain how to do this)
• Have you checked Windows Update lately? That is, are you running the most recent version of IE7?
• Are you using an English version of IE7 and Windows?
• Have you considered using Firefox?

—Noah 18:24, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Suspicious edits - want second opinion.

User:71.31.115.35 has made a number of edits that look like they might or might not be vandalism (number changes and so on). I don't want to revert them all without at least getting a second opinion since it's quite a lot of changes. Can someone else look over the diffs and see what they think? Pseudomonas_(talk) 16:21, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

They are quite probably suspect. I've looked into the user's first edit (to Aaliyah, which hasn't been undone as yet) which changed over 20 million worldwide sales to over 40 million. This differs from many other websites such as this which generally give over 24 million. Also, many of the user's other edits have been undone by other users.--86.156.182.144 (talk) 17:38, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Page moves

I'm familiar with the procedures for page moves but I'm at a loss here. Lying from You (the correct format but currently set to redirect) has a history from 6 August 2005 to 21 August 2007. Lying From You (the incorrect format but currently the "live" article) has a history from 22 February 2006 to 5 January 2008. Do I just redirect over the wrong title (adding any additional information to the correct title)? I hate to throw out a year's worth of history but I see no other way. Precious Roy (talk) 17:29, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Bring it up at WP:RM. This happens all the time, people are either lazy or don't know what the hell they are doing and they do some horrible cut and paste move that screws everything up.--Oni Ookami Alfador^Talk|@ 17:50, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Actually WP:SPLICE is the best place to bring this up. I will see if I can fix it for you though. Prodego ^talk 18:49, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Though User:PeaceNT interfered in the middle of the C&P, by also doing it, it is now fixed. Prodego ^talk 18:56, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks all. (Files away WP:SPLICE for future reference.) Cheers! Precious Roy (talk) 19:02, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

using wikipedia

how do you start a new page —Preceding unsigned comment added by Simrama (talk • contribs) 19:16, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. Algebraist 19:39, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Looking for unclaimed money

Im looking for unclaimed money in stocks in the Bank of England from the railroad —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.160.178.39 (talk) 19:37, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

This help desk is for questions about how to use the encyclopedia Wikipedia. We cannot help you. PrimeHunter (talk) 05:20, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

What did I do wrong, here?

Yeah, I need somebody to let me know what I did wrong in this RFC template, here:

Category talk:Airline destinations.

I'm guess you can't have an "RFC on policy" except on policy pages. Correct? If so, then what should I use for categories? The article RFC template? As noted here on WP:RFC, there are no instructions on how to request comments on a category. ☯  Zenwhat (talk) 19:53, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Your best bet in this case would be Wikipedia:Categories for discussion. Unlike Wikipedia:Articles for Deletion, CFD includes discussions on renaming, moving, and deleting categories; it's sort of an omnibus one-stop-shop for all discussions on categories. In this case, if your concern is that the category is unencyclopedic (and, presumably, should be deleted), then CFD would be the way to go. If you have a concern over an underlying policy related to the category, then the Wikipedia:Village pump (policy) would be a good start. UltraExactZZ ^Claims ~ Evidence 14:17, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Pictures

I have edited the article on Religion in Sri Lanka and was dissapointed that there is not a picture of the temple of the tooth - most beautiful buddhist temple in Sri Lanka. Where can I obtain one that is legal for use here. Ismailmk (talk) 20:00, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Good question. If you were to search the internet (say, with Google Images), you'd probably find pictures, but they'd be unlikely to be freely licensed for use here. Your best bet is to either take a photograph yourself, or if that's not possible, then try Wikipedia:Requested pictures and/or commons:Commons:Picture requests. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 22:15, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

An excellent option is the flickr Creative Commons section. All of the images in that section are fit for usage on Wikipedia; if you can find a picture in that section, feel free to use it. Cheers, Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP!☺} 01:16, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Request for use of pictures

I am a Supply Program Analyst with the 11th Signal Brigade. I have been working on a project for the past two years preparing all needed component lists needed for the brigade (over 1000 so far). After making these component lists, I entered all the components in a database that currently has over 49,000 line items. This will assist the soldiers in locating where specific items belong as lines may or may not have more than one component list it belongs to. I have FEDLOGed each line so that the soldiers do not need to to get the information they need. I am currently trying to make links for each line to a picture of the item or like item so that those less experienced get see what they are inventorying and/of searching for.

I have found many pictures in your website, but will not use them without permission to do so.

Once this task is complete, it will be fielded in NETCOM our head office and my picture will go to the Department of the Army FEDLOG section to assist them in missing pictures.

I have sent the copies of the component lists all over the world as it takes a long time for them to be made. If they use my component lists there is a savings of thousands of man-hours.

Thank you for your consideration. If you allow me to use you pictures, I will abide by any restrictions you desire and will indicate your permission to use the pictures on each picture used. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.27.1.3 (talk) 20:23, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

If you see a picture on Wikipedia that you would like to use, click on it. This will bring you to the image's information page, which should including licensing information. If you're lucky, the picture will be in public domain, in which case you can use it freely, or under a free license which will let you use it as long as you follow a few conditions (usually attribution to the original creator of the image and a copy of or link to the license, sometimes something more). If you're not quite so lucky, the image will be under fair use, in which case it has come from another source, which should be mentioned on the image page, and you should contact the source directly. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 22:12, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

See also Wikipedia:Reusing Wikipedia content. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:17, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

In the interest of verification, this IP address is registered to the United States Army Information Systems Command, United States Army Intelligence Center, Fort Huachuca, AZ. --SSBohio 22:25, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

New-B needs help

IS there any one that can direct me in the right direction on how to post basic info on this site? I have launched an article "Lady VIctoria Luchadora" and I am getting a "Article Needs Clean Up"? Plus it is being listed a "orphan" with no related links. Any advice would be appreciated thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rlegaspi (talk • contribs) 20:33, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

There is a lot of information at Help:Contents, but the most relevant sections to you are probably Help:Contents/Editing Wikipedia and the notability guideline. You've got 4 tags; all of them include links to more information, but here are some basics:

• Cleanup tag: for example, your text shouldn't be surrounded by those dotted lines. This is caused by having a space at the beginning of a line (this markup is used for programming code, among other things). The article also needs renamed to capitalise the person's name, which I have done.
• Notability tag: Subjects should be "notable" (important) in order to have an article. The guidelines I linked to above describe how a person can be notable. The best way to prove notability is by adding verifiable, reliable sources, eg. from magazine articles, reliable websites etc.
• Wikify tag: the article needs internal links. Some have been added already; for example Barstow, California has been linked to the article on that place. You can link to other articles by adding 2 square brackets to either side of the term like this: [[ article name here]]
• Orphan is like wikify, but the other way around. Find articles that mention this person and put brackets around her name to link to her article, or add a link to related, appropriate articles.

If you need any help, you can ask here. Wikiproject Professional Wrestling may also be useful, if you haven't found it yet. --Kateshortforbob 21:47, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Actually, now that I look at it, is her name "Lady Victoria Luchadora" or is she "Lady Victoria" and Luchadora is a job description? If it's a description, the article title should probably be Lady Victoria (luchadora). Sorry - I don't know much about wrestling! If you want to change the title, your account needs to be 4 days old. Then you can click the "move" button at the top of the page, and enter the new name. Or you can ask someone here to do it. --Kateshortforbob 21:51, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

login failed

Hello, I am unable to login to Wikipedia with my account (Qwertyqazqaz). The password I've always used is not being accepted (and there is no alternative e-mail apparently.) Please advise, as I'd very much like to recover my account. Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.77.206.228 (talk) 21:16, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately, there is nothing we can do if you did not set an e-mail. You will have to create a new account. NF24^{(radio me!)} 21:40, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

User:Qwertyqazqaz has not edited since April 2007 and has not set an email address. As NF24 and Help:Logging in says, if that is you and you are unable to access the account then you will have to create a new account. You can place links between the user pages of the accounts. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:06, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

January 21

Guidelines for referencing video sources

What are the guidelines for referencing video sources? Is it sufficient to simply reference the name of the source or does the video itself have to be accessible. If the latter, is it acceptable to reference Youtube and other online video sources even though their copywrite status may be questionable? I have added a statement to a page referencing the name of the source but an Admin has told me that I must provide a link to a written transcipt of the source...the source is directly available on Youtube but it is a copywrited TV documentary.71.168.36.54 (talk) 00:25, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

No. YouTube is not a reliable source or external link, especially if the video in question violates copyright laws. NF24^{(radio me!)} 00:26, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

If it's a documentary that's regularly re-aired or sold, you can simply cite the documentary with enough information that it can be found by anyone interested in doing so. If it was a one-time thing, I'm not sure. Note that in general a documentary won't be as reliable as a book published by a reputable publisher; if you can find the information elsewhere, you'd do better to cite it there. --NE2 00:36, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

From WP:YOUTUBE: "There is no blanket ban on linking to these sites as long as the links abide by the guidelines on this page (which would be infrequent). See also Wikipedia:Copyrights for the prohibition on linking to pages that violate copyrights." --omtay38 00:43, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Custom skin

I would like to create my own custom skin, but I don't know how. I want to make a skin that has a black background with mostly white text, as this is easier on my eyes. I thought it would be as simple as finding my personal .css MySkin file and simply setting background to black and text to white, but I can't even locate the .css file. I'd appreciate some help. HoCkEy PUCK (talk) 00:38, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

You may want to check here and here for help on what you are attempting. This "feature" has actually been brought up on wikipedia talk pages a number of times but as far as I know has never been fully implemented. However, you are free to do as you please with your own css files. Hope this helps! --omtay38 00:46, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

See Prodego's advice below (wow, that's new!) --omtay38 01:08, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Copy this to here, save, and clear your cache. Prodego ^talk 00:53, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

You know what, forget that. Go to Special:Preferences, select the Gadgets tab, and chose the black monobook option. Prodego ^talk 00:59, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Excellent! Much kinder on the eyes, thank you. DuncanHill (talk) 01:21, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Or it would be if it worked on article pages :( .DuncanHill (talk) 01:23, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

I am working on that now, with User:Topaz's help. Also working on contribs pages. :) Original skin by Brian0918. Prodego ^talk 01:25, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

OK, cool! DuncanHill (talk) 01:27, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

CSS people, this needs some updating. See my monobook history for the best version so far, I will continue working on it tomorrow, with Topaz, but until then if anyone wants to work on it... I think there is also a mediawiki bug in the way. Prodego ^talk 02:09, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Credit for entries before creating username?

I just made a bunch of comments on the Cloverfield discussion and decided I should probably make a username. Is there any way to get credit for these or does it not matter anyway? Thanks! Sorry if this was asked or is in the FAQs. Ryan M. (talk) 02:05, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi there and welcome to wikipedia! If you want, you can link to the IP address these edits were made under. Chances are, it won't matter in the long run and you can always look them up again. Again, welcome and happy editing! --omtay38 02:08, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Oh, thanks! Where exactly do I do that? Ryan M. (talk) 02:11, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

On your userpage you could include some links to the diffs of those edits if you'd wish. Cheers, Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP!☺} 02:13, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Pictures

Hi, I filled out info for a picture on Kafu the wrestler and it hasn't set up. Can you help me please? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wrestlefreak (talk • contribs) 02:47, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

OK, first, while it is generally good practice elsewhere to start paragraphs with a space, on Wikipedia it does nasty things with the text so I've fixed it up for you. If you're talking about Image:Hurt Hurt Hurt!.jpg, then it appears to have uploaded just fine. To get it to appear in an article, you have to put a link in that article, e.g. [[Image:Hurt Hurt Hurt!.jpg|thumb]]. To learn the details of image syntax, check out Wikipedia:Image tutorial. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 02:54, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

(edit conflict) You uploaded Image:Hurt Hurt Hurt!.jpg. You can place it in the infobox at Kafu by replacing image = Replace this image male.svg with image = Hurt Hurt Hurt!.jpg. See Help:Images and other uploaded files for ways to display it outside the infobox. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:56, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Return to an article after using a link

Grump33071.234.248.42 (talk) 04:04, 21 January 2008 (UTC)Why can't I return to an article I was using after using a link in it?

I don't know. Most browsers have a 'back' feature (generally involves clicking on a leftarrow icon or pressing backspace), but yours might not. Algebraist 04:06, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

User:Granola lips

Why does this user have blocked and a blocked sockpuppet template on there user page, when there is no blocks listed in his/her block log? VivioFateFan ^{(Talk, Sandbox)} 04:09, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

It was apparently vandalism and has been removed. PrimeHunter (talk) 05:15, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

question

how do u make a page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Samjor08 (talk • contribs) 04:14, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:16, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

question

how do you create a page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Biggmammy101 (talk • contribs) 04:43, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. PrimeHunter (talk) 05:13, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Disambiguation of a topic

I was looking for an article for an Austrian hiphop group by the name of Texta. Currently entering Texta redirects automatically to a marker article. How can I get started on changing a redirect to a disambiguation? I would like to do as much of this on my own/ learn how to do it on my own. Thank you in advance.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Tristanape (talk • contribs)

I don't think a disambiguation page is necessary since the articles don't share a common name that needs disambiguating; at best a hatnote would be needed on the prospective article on the hophop group (something like {{For|the felt tip pen|Marker pen}}). You can simply go the the redirect page and make it into the article on the hophop group. However, before you write that article, please take a look at our notability standard for bands, and don't forget to cite sources. By the way, always sign your posts to discussion pages such as this (but not in articles) by typing for tildes (~~~~) after your post which automatically formats to your signature when you save. You can also place the tildes using the editing button which looks like this: . Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 05:54, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

I have started a page but I dont know why it isnt in the form

that is seen on other topics? need help

Found what I needed —Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrewts357 (talk • contribs)

(edit conflict) You created Presidential Youth Services Award. Which form are you referring to? It can take days or more before a new article is indexed by Wikipedia search. Please sign your edits here and on talk pages but not in articles. PrimeHunter (talk) 05:50, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

It has been deleted. The name "Presidential Youth Services Award" has no Google hits but I guess it is the Kids award mentioned in President's Volunteer Service Award#The awards (although that article says 50 hours of volunteer work is enough while the deleted article claimed it was only awarded once a year). PrimeHunter (talk) 06:18, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

I need help

with adding a new wiki entry can anyone help? Freemefromher (talk) 07:21, 21 January 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Freemefromher (talk • contribs) 07:19, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. --teb728 t c 08:09, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

saving edits

I am editing the "Santa Clara Vanguard Drum and Bugle Corps" page, and my edits are not always showing up. I'll change something in the edit page and then click "save changes" and the page will have all my edits like I want. But if I go on a different computer to view the page, or if I view the page the next day, all my edits are gone, BUT when I go to the edit page to fix those things again, my edits are STILL in the editing box, they are just not being displayed on the page. Why is this happening? Am I doing something wrong? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Joshuapeterson (talk • contribs) 07:22, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

You may have to bypass the cache on the used computer. PrimeHunter (talk) 07:43, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

I think it has something to do with the page, because I've edited other pages with no problems from the same computer. Any other thoughts? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.236.106.47 (talk) 08:01, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Did you try bypassing your cache? I notice your first post was while logged in and the second was not. This can display different cached versions of a page. Also, some ISPs cache pages. You cannot override that by bypassing your own cache. If you click the "history" tab and then click on the date of the most recent listed version then you may be able to see the current version (doesn't work if the history page is cached but I don't think it will be). PrimeHunter (talk) 08:12, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I bypassed the cache and it still isn't showing up. The other edits that I just made to another page are still there, but the edits I'm making to this page are not staying. I noticed that when I logged out, and closed and reopened my internet browser to the page, it didn't show my edits, but once I signed in to wikipedia, my edits were there on the page. Is there something wrong with my account or the page, or anything else you think? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Joshuapeterson (talk • contribs) 08:41, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

I still think an old version is cached somewhere and others are seeing the current version. Did you try clicking the history [4] and the currently most recent date [5]? You can also try the normal url with something manually added to the url to possibly avoid a cached version, for example a '?' in [6]. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:20, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

When viewing a page starting with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ the bottom of the window should say "This page was last modified ...". If you see a cached version then the time is probably older. The time depends on your time zone. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:24, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

I clicked the history, and the most current version of the page is up, even though on other computers it's displaying a version of the page that hasn't been editing since Jan. 3rd. I think there are actually two different pages for this page, one called "Santa Clara Vanguard" and one called "Santa Clara Vanguard Drum and Bugle Corps" when I go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Clara_Vanguard, the title on the page says "Santa Clara Vanguard Drum and Bugle Corps", and underneath it, it says (Redirected from Santa Clara Vanguard). But when I go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Clara_Vanguard_Drum_and_Bugle_Corps, there is no redirect underneath the title, and when I view this page on different computers, my edits are there, they're just not on the "Santa Clara Vanguard" page. But I can't seem to edit them separately. There is only one edit box for both sites I think, but it's only showing up on one page. How can I fix this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.236.106.47 (talk) 19:26, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Santa Clara Vanguard is a Wikipedia:Redirect to Santa Clara Vanguard Drum and Bugle Corps. Clicking on either one will display content at Santa Clara Vanguard Drum and Bugle Corps (with a redirect message added at the top for the former). It's stored in the same place and cannot be edited separately. But it's not a URL redirection. Santa Clara Vanguard results in the URL http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Clara_Vanguard and not http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Clara_Vanguard_Drum_and_Bugle_Corps. They are distinct URL's to your browser and ISP and they may have been cached at different times, resulting in different content. If you want to access the redirecting page then you can click Santa Clara Vanguard and then click the link in the redirect message at the top, producing http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Santa_Clara_Vanguard&redirect=no. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:59, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

After clicking on a redirect like Santa Clara Vanguard, you can get the URL for the target page by clicking the "article" tab at the top. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:03, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

I still don't understand why I'm seeing different content on the different sites? When I go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Clara_Vanguard, I get my unedited page, but when I click on the "article" tab on the same page, I go to a page with all my edits. I have cleared the cache on my computer; this just isn't making sense to me. On the bottom of the "unedited" page, it says it was last modified on Jan 3rd, but then I click on the history tab and I see that the current version was edited last on Jan. 21st (the last time I made edits on the page) but it's not showing up. Are you seeing that too? Is there something I'm missing? I want my edited information on the original http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Clara_Vanguard page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.236.106.47 (talk) 04:25, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

article about U.S. drug Czar John Waters

hello... I attempted to edit an article on John waters. I simply added some truth to the article. I got a message back twice...saying I was trying to vandalize the article.

It was not my intent. My intent was to simply add some truth to the page.

I wont do it again... apparently you people cant handle the truth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.19.64.5 (talk) 07:46, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

You added your negative opinion about a living person without a reliable source. Thanks for not doing it again. It is forbidden by Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons. Also see Wikipedia:Neutral point of view and Wikipedia:Verifiability which apply to all articles. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and not the place to express your own opinions. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:07, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Biography of "Sam Small"

Hi My name is Sam Small. It's a popular name and there's a posting under that name of a deceased English footballer. Is there a way that I can add info about myself in the same listing or create a different posting with the same name Sam Small? Thanks --70.210.186.207 (talk) 08:05, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Writing an autobiography is strongly discouraged. See Wikipedia:Autobiography and Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. If we have articles about two people of the same name then they are placed on different pages with different names. See Wikipedia:Hatnote and Wikipedia:Disambiguation for different ways to handle it. Without knowing which Sam Small you are, we cannot say whether you might satisfy WP:BIO and how a disambiguation should be best handled. (I will not post for at least 6 hours from now) PrimeHunter (talk) 08:26, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Blocking

Can you stop blocked administrators from being able to unblock themselves? 124.180.63.58 (talk) 08:29, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

I believe this is impossible, short of desysoping the admin in question. Algebraist 12:39, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

An administrator can always unblock themselves. If they must be prohibited from editing, a Wikipedia bureaucrat must de-sysop them (take away their admin privileges), at least temporarily. If this were not the way it worked then a rogue admin would have the power to block all the other admins in the night and bring chaos to Wikipedia (probably)... • Anakin ^{(contribs • complaints)} 15:45, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Slight amendment, only stewards can desysop and admin on the english wikipedia. Woody (talk) 15:48, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Page deleted

Hi all,

I created a page "Business Value Game" and somebody deleted it, so I thought I did something wrong. I created it again, tried to give all references etc. It was deleted again. I am not so keen in using wikipedia, but I found out that the reason was, that the guy who deleted it said it is advertising.

My questions. 1. If somebody invents something new which helps in a specific field. Why I can not insert this in wikipedia. Of course there will be a link to the website and of course there is not no much more about it to find at the beginning... So how I can do it right???
2. I found a page about planning_poker and I tried to prepare my text like this one, because I am not so firm, as I said before. This one is allowed and mine not. Why? 3.Caneverybody delete everything? Why the one who deleted it didnt ask whats the Business Game is about and helped me in correcting it instead of deleting it. I dont think, that he even know what this game is for and what I was talking about.

and last but nor least. 4. What can I do. How can I insert my page in a proper way?

Thanks a lot Marion Teckmx5 (talk) 08:40, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

In answer to the questions:

1. The most important thing when writing an article is to make sure that you're using "neutral" language which doesn't make it look like an advertisement or promotion. This can be tricky sometimes, particularly if you're writing about something you really believe in or enjoy, but it's a very important thing to do. The second thing is to have independent sources which support the idea that this game (it's a game, right? The article seems to say it is) is notable. Have newspapers or specialist websites written about it or reviewed it? That kind of thing is what I'm talking about. 2. A lot of the time, an article on a similar subject to your own will be here because there were independent sources supporting its notability (as I mentioned in the first answer) or something like that. Looking at the article you're talking about, I'm not sure there are any of those offhand, so it might just be that nobody's discovered it as spam/advertising yet. 3. Only administrators can delete things, although other users can flag pages as possibly needing to be deleted. Normally, if someone flags a page that way, they should let you know so that you can change the page around a bit to try to prevent it from being deleted. 4. See above :P BigHaz - Schreit mich an 10:21, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Your article is visible in Google's cache. It is, IMO, written in fairly neutral language. The big problem is that there is no evidence that the game is noteworthy - important enough to merit an article in Wikipedia.

Two of Wikipedia's most important policies are notability and verifiability. A subject must be sufficiently notable to be worth including in the encyclopedia and that notability must be able to be verified through references to reliable sources.

To oversimplify, if there are newspaper articles with enough information to write about a subject, then that subject is notable and those articles can verify the information in the Wikipedia article.

If you cannot find newspaper web sites that provide information for an article, then the subject is not notable or verifiable and almost certainly will be deleted. Sbowers3 (talk) 17:59, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Editing a page title

Hi - i recently created a page called Browne jacobson - which I wanted to do, but hadn't noticed the lower case "j" in jacobson - I couldnt see how to change the title of the page so created another page called Browne Jacobson - should i delete the first one i created? I'm guessing this was not the best way to do this - where did I go wrong!?

Cheers,

Rich —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rjsmorley (talk • contribs) 12:10, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

You can move the article to the correct title by clicking the 'move' tab at the top of the screen (next to edit, history etc.). See WP:MOVE for more information. Algebraist 12:37, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Help/my account won't sign me on? (moved from WP:ANI)

Hello there, I can't log on to my account,

• I click the button "e-mail my password" and it sends the temporary password up on my email
• but when I log on it accepts my password
• then asks me "change" it.
• But when I change it says "invalid" password.

Why does it email me a password and when I type it in it accepts then asks me to type in a new one then declines?

78.148.107.145 (talk) 12:57, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

It sounds like a cookie problem. (1) Clear your browser cache. (2) When you log in with the temporary password, uncheck the "remember me" button. (3) When you change your password, uncheck the "remember me" button. (4) If you get prompted again to login, use your new password and you should be fine. --B (talk) 13:50, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Bug in HTML tag: div dir="rtl"

I just read the article Mesha Stele, and there is a problem in the way it displays. The article uses HTML "div dir="rtl" tag for a section of hebrew transcription of the text, here is a copy of part of the article code:

== Text ==
The text, in [[Moabite language|Moabite]], transcribed into modern [[Hebrew alphabet|Hebrew letters]]:

<div dir="rtl">
<pre>
1. אנכ. משע. בנ. כמש.. . מלכ. מאב. הד
2. יבני | אבי. מלכ. על. מאב. שלשנ. שת. ואנכ. מלכ

... MORE LINES OF HEBREW HERE ...

33. ---------[ויש]בה. כמש. בימי. ועל[...]. משמ. עש
34. -------------- שת. שדק | וא
</pre>
</div>

== Translation ==

''I am Mesha, son of Kemosh[-yatti], the king of Moab, the Dibonite. My father was king over Moab''
...

Notice that only the hebrew text is inside the div tag, the problem is that the "Translation" header of the following section is displayed in my browser justified to the right, as if inside the div tag. The next line after the header is displayed correctly on the left.

I'm using English Windows XP Professional, Interent Explorer 7. I have hebrew support installed. Itaj Sherman (talk) 17:02, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

I would bring this up at the tech section of the Village Pump.--Kerotan^{Leave Me a Message} Have a nice day :) 17:07, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Here in my sandbox I made a copy of the problematic part of the article, you can see the bug occures. I tried in another sandbox, you can see that adding a line of text "ADDED LINE OF TEXT", just before the "Translation" header, makes the bug silent. Itaj Sherman (talk) 17:13, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

OK, I put it there Wikipedia:Village pump (technical). Itaj Sherman (talk) 17:24, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Irregular reversion of article to earlier version

Hi.

Ref: article "Remo Four"

I have spent some time refining and adding to this article, including addition of images. Most times I go back to it (but not every time) it has reverted to an earlier version, losing all edits since (and including) 21:06, 20 January 2008 86.142.243.54

Checking history, all the edits are still there but don't show on the article itself.

Undoing 04:41, 21 January 2008 PixelBot and manually making the correction to (robot Modifying: simple:Remo Four) cures the problem but only until I next open Wikipedia when (usually) the edits and images have gone again.

Anyone able to advise, please?

Weydonian (talk) 17:14, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

I checked the history of the article, and nobody appears to be reverting your edits or anything. I purged the page, in case that would help, but it sounds possibly like a small cache issue in your web browser. If it gets stuck at an old revision again, try clearing your web browser's cache of the page, following the instructions at Wikipedia:Bypass your cache. (Generally this is simply a case of pressing Ctrl + F5, but varies across browsers.) That should help, but if it doesn't work or there are still problems, feel free to ask again. In any case, your edits are saved there in the article, so even if there was a cache problem on some of Wikipedia's servers, it should flush through and fix itself after a while. • Anakin ^{(contribs • complaints)} 17:30, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

There is nothing odd going on here. Another editor is simply working on the article as well. You have also overstated the problem as the article has not "reverted to an earlier version", rather, some of your changes were modified. This is the way Wikipedia works (and, yes, it can be a little irritating at first if you are used to other forms of writing where the author gets to own the article). The changes from 8 Jan to 20 Jan included additions by the other editor but also "re-factored" the way you had setup the track listing which seems to be a reasonable improvement. (I don't see in the edit history where the image disappeared, however, there appears to be a "fair use" dispute with at least one of the images in that article.) The best thing to do, if you have specific disagreements about edits would be to start a new section on the article's discussion page. —Noah 17:33, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Anakin101 and Noah for your advice. I don't think the latter suggestion is the cause (all contributions in the history shown AFTER Zephyrad's tidying of the track list (except the Pixelbot amendment) are by me, albeit I was not signed in for some of them). I've cleared the cache and things seem OK at present so I'll monitor the situation. Regards, Weydonian (talk) 19:20, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Contributions under GFDL license

Isn't there a way to do something against the GFDL license? I mean, isn't that rather frustrating if contributions are existing forever? It's totaly unconfortable for me. D@rk ^talk 17:27, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

On Wikipedia? Simple, don't edit on Wikipedia. Wikipedia:Copyrights might give you more insight. x42bn6 Talk Mess 17:34, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia is the best known, international website where there are the most informations. I also heard that other users feel harassed about their saved contributions. D@rk ^talk 17:35, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

If you don't want to release material under a free license, don't edit the free encyclopedia. This is not going to change any time soon. Algebraist 17:43, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

My aim is to edit Wikipedia but my only critism on this website is the GFDL license. D@rk ^talk 17:46, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Remember that Wikipedia tries to protect your anonymity: Revealing your real name or identity is never required. By staying logged in, your IP address is protected. And by using the secure Wikipedia, all traffic between your browser and the web site is encrypted. Also, with 195,237,303 edits so far, it seems unlikely in decades to come that anyone will be reviewing casual edits made in 2008. But if you really don't want to submit stuff and have it stored on Wikimedia's servers potentially forever, and reproduced and redistributed on mirror sites, then the best thing to do I'm afraid, is don't. • Anakin ^{(contribs • complaints)} 17:53, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Ah, understood. I was afraid if someone would create an account with my personal infos. I mean a person, who knows me personally and doesn't like me. Well, thanks, Anakin. May the force be with you. D@rk ^talk 17:56, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

If there is ever personal info about you or anyone else placed on Wikipedia, you can request it be moved to a hidden part of the database where not even most Administrators can see it. Take a look at Wikipedia:Oversight. Oversight requests are handled very quickly, and only a small number of trusted users (specifically, these people) and Wikimedia developers could then access it. • Anakin ^{(contribs • complaints)} 18:01, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

I hope the admins are trusted users too. But I think so. D@rk ^talk 18:04, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Admins are trusted to do some things, for example delete pages and see normally deleted pages, but they cannot see oversighted edits. The GFDL means that if something is kept visible then there should also be a record of the account or IP address that wrote it. But the GFDL doesn't prevent things from being deleted. Many pages are deleted every day. For practical reasons (not a GFDL requirement), deleted pages are still stored and accessible to admins but not to ordinary users. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:42, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Special:Listusers/developer

I was wondering, why is the above user group always empty? Was it ever used? Why did they stop using it? • Anakin ^{(contribs • complaints)} 18:07, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, since developers are above all wikis they prefer to reside at Meta... so in this case Meta:Special:Listusers/developer is populated, although I wonder myself why Kate is the only one since there are more developers... generally though, the developer group is deprecated. -- Mentifisto 18:14, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

I believe the main reason they stopped is that the powers they once wielded are now held by stewards and bureaucrats, so they no longer have an active role on the 'pedia. Algebraist 18:39, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Prophet Paul OkikiJesu

The stub that I published regarding Prophet Paul OkikiJesu is showing up on different names whenever I search for it on the web. What should I do?Esther Akanbi (talk) 18:10, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

It appears that you created the page on Mr. OkikiJesu in Template:Christian-clergy-stub instead of its proper location, Paul OkikiJesu. Create the article in the latter and everything should be back to normal. NF24^{(radio me!)} 18:36, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

government-owned utility company looking to post article

Hi,

I work for a government-owned utility company, with one stakeholder, looking to post an article on Wikipedia. I understand that companies posting must use outside sources for referencing and was wondering if that applies to government owned utilities as well?

Also, will I be notified automatically if someone edit's my page, or do I need to check daily to see if any changes are made?

Thanks very much! Ten Lee (talk) 18:16, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

First of all, once you create your article, it is not yours as anyone can edit it. Article ownership is frowned upon and considered disruptive. As for the reference question, references are required for every Wikipedia article. See Wikipedia:Cite your sources for information on that. You will also want to check out Wikipedia:Notability (companies) for inclusion guidelines. Finally, if you watchlist the page, any edits that are made to it are listed on Special:Watchlist. NF24^{(radio me!)} 18:29, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Also see the Business' FAQ; it contains a few good pointers. • Anakin ^{(contribs • complaints)} 18:53, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Untrue statement from WIKI

The following text can be found on Wiki´s main page:

"Welcome to Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit."

This is untrue, as some aticles are closed and Wiki doesn´t allow all articles to be written either. As a cognitive psychologist, I wrote together with a sociologist an article on Idiocracy as a social system. This article was deleted by Wiki faster than we could blink. At first we thought we did something wrong, but then on the secong posting, we got banned for a week. Due to this we have now issued warnings to universities in four countries not to use wiki, due to its management, which seems to be not scientifically open.

We are sorry for this, but we cannot let our students or population be misinformed by an incorrect dictionary. We will continue our recommendation to universities throughout Europe and propose a law against the use of Wiki in schools and universities in the EU region.

George Reek (talk) 18:17, 21 January 2008 (UTC).

We don't allow original research. If you want your article included in wikipedia, it must be published by an outside source beforehand. · AndonicO ^Hail! 18:23, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

We are sorry that you had a negative first impression of Wikipedia. Since we strive to be a comprehensive and reputable encyclopaedia, we have strict inclusion guidelines. If you give us the name of the article, we can tell you exactly why it was deleted and how to avoid deletion in the future. NF24^{(radio me!)} 18:25, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia IS free... some articles are protected because otherwise they're overridden with all kinds of rubbish (vandalism etc.), and the article loses its quality. And your article was probably deleted because it didn't meet our criteria for inclusion... Wikipedia is an encyclopedia not a dictionary. That is also the reason why only certain articles could be included here.

Wikipedia is also as scientific as any other encyclopedia, but science isn't the main factor. An encyclopedia doesn't conduct experiments, it documents them (using primary sources too).

So please find out what Wikipedia truly is before doing anything against the use of such freedom of knowledge. -- Mentifisto 18:32, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi from another editor. I'm glad you're not taking everything you read on Wikipedia at face value, but I must disagree that the statement on the front page is untrue; actually everyone can edit it. Even with semi or fully protected articles, the talk pages of those articles are never protected. Anonymous editors, not even logged in, can post requests on the talk page of an article for it to be edited, possibly using the {{Editprotected}} template for a fast response, or make requests elsewhere (like this Help Desk) requesting the edit. As for allowing "all articles to be written", you're absolutely right, Wikipedia doesn't. See the list of What Wikipedia is NOT. Wikipedia is not for original research, as stated above, and is not for originally published theories. If we allowed everyone to post stuff they made up, then Wikipedia would be useless as an encyclopedia, and would have no reliability at all. There are many other ways to publish original information; but Wikipedia isn't one of them. (Notice that we focus on the edit, and not the editor; anyone can edit, but the specific content they try to add is not always suitable for the encyclopedia.) • Anakin ^{(contribs • complaints)} 18:35, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

To save others the trouble of checking, this user has one contribution (to this page), and no deleted contributions. Bovlb (talk) 18:54, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

In addition I want to point out a few non sequiturs in the original message. Quote: We are sorry for this, but we cannot let our students or population be misinformed by an incorrect dictionary. How is this conclusion drawn? (even if we assume that the prospective editors were treated by Wikipedia as described). To not be allowed to write an article about Idiocracy is one thing. What does that have to do with the rest of Wikipedia being incorrect? This kind of generalisation is not scientific. I would advise the editors to do some research on logic prior to drawing spurious conclusions. In addition Europe is not a monolith. I'm sure the fact that two editors did not get to write an article on the worthy subject of Idiocracy will not create an avalanche of wiki-phobia. Dr.K. (talk) 19:20, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

To be fair to the questioner, the slogan: "...that anyone can edit" is an obvious case of overselling. The slogan is not strictly true, because Wikipedia could not function if anyone could edit it. Wikipedia relies on a battallion-sized group of administrators to prevent some people from editing Wikipedia. While only a relative handful actually do get banned, the threat of bans and blocks is a vital component of Wikipedia's enforcement machinery. The "anyone can edit" claim is similar to calling the United States the "land of the free" even while the U.S. prison population is the world's largest. In the United States, as in any nation, citizens enjoy certain types of freedom, and it's not too hard to follow the rules and stay out of prison, but nobody enjoys complete freedom. Not even a dictator like Saddam Hussein enjoyed complete freedom, because there were limits to how much he could provoke George W. Bush. President Bush, in turn, had to stand for re-election, and has his freedom limited by the separation of powers of the U.S. government. Everyone who lives in society has to trade a little freedom for a little security (despite Ben Franklin's hyperbole that doing so is always a bad thing - we didn't see Ben giving up his comfortable upperclass society for an isolated cabin on the frontier). And furthermore, the questioner is yet another victim of one of Wikipedia's user-interface deficiencies: the fact that we do not make it perfectly clear to new users who create new articles that their new articles are at high risk of deletion. Wikipedia is sort of like a ski resort that lets anybody walk in and with no training or experience go straight down the double black diamond run. --Teratornis (talk) 21:04, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

The thing to remember about "anyone can edit" is that it's implicit in that statement that "anyone ELSE can edit". If you type something in and someone else deletes it, that isn't a negation of the priciple: it's the principle in action. AndyJones (talk) 21:13, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

The way I understand it, if I held a party and said "everyone's invited", that doesn't mean "everyone can come into my house, smash my furniture, re-paint my walls, and steal my music collection". If someone did that, I would feel within my rights to throw them out and/or call the police. Similarly, anyone can edit Wikipedia, but if they're not working towards improving the encyclopedia then they shouldn't be surprised if they get blocked. In this case, the poster probably thought that they were improving the encyclopedia, but failed to understand what an encyclopedia, and in particular Wikipedia, is not. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 21:38, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

There is Wikiversity, where one can upload original research. Johnny Au (talk) 00:11, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Vandilizing

When I was exploring Wikipedia, I noticed a padlock in the corner of the page. Interested, I clicked it. It talked about pages that were secured, and I was wondering which pages were blocked by the golden padlock, just out of curiosity. There were some pages saying Template:Test1, Template:Test2 and so on. I wanted to know what it was, so I clicked the link, and at the top a message said I had vandilized the page, and I was banned from editing temporarily. I didn't vandilize, so I decided to click back, and clicked a different Template:Test(#) page. At the top it said it was my last warning. I want to know if it was a glitch, and I'm not really banned, or if something happened and I was blamed. I did not vandilize the pages. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.68.100.95 (talk) 19:57, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Those templates are templates that are placed on user talk pages to warn them not to vandalise - it has nothing to do with you vandalising. The padlock indicates protected pages to prevent them from vandalism somewhat. x42bn6 Talk Mess 20:00, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

If you had actually received a vandalism warning, you would have seen an orange box saying "You have new messages", and when you clicked it, the message would have been posted there on your talk page. So you weren't being warned - all you did was find the pages where the warning message templates are kept. • Anakin ^{(contribs • complaints)} 20:19, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

It's like when you go to the hardware store and see all the signs on display. Some of the signs say "No Trespassing," but that does not mean you are trespassing in the hardware store, while the store is open for business. Because of our social upbringing, we generally know how to recognize the difference between a sign which is for sale, and a sign that is directed at us. On Wikipedia, we have a whole new set of conventions, which nobody learned in real life. Instead you have to learn the new conventions here by reading the friendly manuals. Wikipedia is unlike anything which existed before; just ten years ago, for example, almost nobody would have believed the Wikipedia of today could exist and function as well as it does. Even the people who started Wikipedia had no idea whether it would work. So to make something which is really different than anything which came before, the Wikipedia user community had to evolve a whole new set of principles and procedures, and these are still evolving. Which means you can expect a lot of things to seem confusing here at first. The familiar rules of real life could not have built Wikipedia. --Teratornis (talk) 20:45, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Foreclosure process

What is the foreclosure process and timeline in California? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.167.98.122 (talk) 20:03, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Please refer non-Wikipedia related questions to the reference desk. The Evil Spartan (talk) 20:09, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. The Helpful One ^{(Talk) (Contribs) (Review)} 20:11, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Template:Convert

I am having problem with the dual conversion feature of Template:Convert at Lucien Lagrange.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 20:47, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

You'll have to make Template:Convert/acre sqm. _{WEBURIEDOURSECRETSINTHEGARDEN}^{play it cool.} 21:14, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome.... _{WEBURIEDOURSECRETSINTHEGARDEN}^{play it cool.} 21:49, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

user contributions lists nothing after 30 nov 2007 - yet user left comment on my talk page today?

subject should be self-explanatory. i don't get it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=jkaharper&namespace=&year=&month=-1 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anastrophe. (talk • contribs) 21:18, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

They did it while not logged in: [7]. --barneca (talk) 21:24, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Is that even allowed? How would one tell the difference between a logged out user and an IP forging their signature? • Anakin ^{(contribs • complaints)} 21:32, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

By looking at the history, of course. Unfortunately, it is possible to do, although for obvious reasons it's highly discouraged. About the only other way, I think, is if SineBot is set up to check the page in question, since I *believe* that it will look for a link to the userpage of the person who added the text, and obviously in the case of a forged signature they won't match. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 22:17, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

thanks for the replies. i should have looked more carefully at the history. duh. Anastrophe (talk) 22:23, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Moving an archive?

I was about to archive a WP Talk Page for 2007 when I noticed that the 2006 Archive was "Archive1" I would like to move it to "Archive 1" so it would work with {{archive-nav}}. Do I need a consensus? It's not a very active WP so no one would probably respond. Should I ask first or just move that page and fix the links (the only link there is from the original talk page). Thanks! Deflagro ^C/_T 21:29, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi, I would probably just leave a message to tell them what you have done on the discussion page, just so that you can ensure it wasn't formatted like that for a reason! Therefore, if there is a problem, you can say that you left a message on the discussion page. I wouldn't be entirely sure though, so you might want to wait for another helper to answer your query as well. I hope this helps! The Helpful One ^{(Talk) (Contribs) (Review)} 21:36, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Time Zone Differences

In Nubio I found this article:

121: When is the Main Page updated? Why do you have the wrong date in Selected anniversaries? Why is the Main Page not updating? As an international community, Wikipedia is organized along Coordinated Universal Time, which roughly corresponds to Western European Time.

If the Main Page is out of date for you, most probably your web browser has cached an older version of the page and is not checking to see if there is an update. Try purging the cache to force your browser to get an update. If that doesn't seem to work, find out more about browser caching.

My Question is: Whilst I understand the statement "organised along Coordinated Universal Time", the following statement about clearing the cache doesn't apply if you live in a Time Zone that is in advance of GMT. I can't get todays (22nd January) main page and it's 8:26 am here (East Coast Australia). And Wikipedia is still at 21st Jan. Is there settings that can be changed so the current page for that day can be displayed allowing for your local time zone? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.233.70.131 (talk) 21:31, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

The Main Page cache statement relates to the templates, if they have just been changed and it isn't showing, say at midnight (UTC). I am afraid there is no way of having time zone specific updates except for Wikipedia:Main Page/Tomorrow. DYK is the exception though as that is updated manually. Sorry I can't help more. Woody (talk) 21:43, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

If you live in a particularly strange time zone or are thinking of doing any time travelling, there's also Wikipedia:Main Page/In two days. The news box, unfortunately, does not carry news of the future. • Anakin ^{(contribs • complaints)} 21:49, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Template

Is there a template or tool, which explains what the userpage & subpages is best viewed in i can't seem to find references. →Dust Rider→ 21:32, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm a bit confused about what you are asking when you say "viewed in". For information on userpages, see Wikipedia:Userpage. For subpages, see Wikipedia:Subpages. To find a particular user's subpages, go to the Special:Prefixindex and search under a user's name. I'm not sure I'm helping at all. If not, can you clarify your question?--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:39, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

When i was browsing wikipedia, and went onto some of the user's userpage & subpages it had a message at the top saying "this userpage was created in Mozilla Browser and may not display correctly in other Browsers" as well in IE 7, but i don't know if it was an actual template or a user made template. →Dust Rider→ 21:42, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

I think it's a usermade template. See userboxes. _{WEBURIEDOURSECRETSINTHEGARDEN}^{play it cool.} 21:53, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

I've copied one of the templates and modified it on my userpage & subpages, since is not on the list i think you're correct. →Dust Rider→ 22:04, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Users do different things. This search finds many who have inserted the text "best viewed in Mozilla Firefox" without using a template, or by transcluding one of their own user subpages. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:12, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Missing Article

There is a short article on "Lean Accounting" in Wikipedia. This evening I spent several hours expanding this article. I have tried to bring up the article and it is no where to be found. The old short one has returned - but my work seems to be lost. How can I retrieve it? Thanks BMaskell (talk) 22:13, 21 January 2008 (UTC) Brian Maskell

If you mean Lean accounting, unfortunately Ronz deleted quite a bit of it. See this diff for more info. In the future, you can check edits on one page with the history tab at the top of the page. _{WEBURIEDOURSECRETSINTHEGARDEN}^{play it cool.} 22:16, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

You haven't made any edits to Lean accounting per your contributions. However, Ideasintoaction (talk · contribs) has made a lot of edits that have been reverted. You can see the page history (ie those people who have edited a page) by clicking on history at the top of the relevant page. Lean accounting history. See Help:Page history. Are you sure that you correctly saved your edits, or are you the other user? Woody (talk) 22:19, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Forgot password, changed email address so I can't get the new password

I was trying to login to edit my Wikipedia entry (. It's been a while since I logged in and I was trying to login. I apparently don't remember the password I set up for this account. I have a number of email addresses and when I click on the 'forgot' password link, it tells me that the password change info was mailed. However, I think the email account used is long dead. I have a number of email addresses but no email from Wikipedia has been sent to them. I did have a hotmail account but that account is deactivated.

So, how can I log back into my account? Thanks.

Unfortunately, there is nothing we can do. You can create a new account and place text on your userpage to the effect of "I used to be [username]". NF24^{(radio me!)} 22:55, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Creating a page

how do you make a page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bopol (talk • contribs) 22:44, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

According to Sinebot, you are logged in. _{WEBURIEDOURSECRETSINTHEGARDEN}^{play it cool.} 22:53, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. NF24^{(radio me!)} 22:55, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Ball parks in Yuma

Ball Parks in Yuma —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.35.61.240 (talk) 23:12, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm not a mind reader, could you please elaborate? Also, if your question isn't about Wikipedia, please ask it at the reference desk. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 23:16, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

January 22

NPOV and interests

Why does WP actually encourage people who have specific interests (and thus, possibly, POV) to edit the articles? I actually wonder why conventional encyclopedias are written by people who are experts in the subjects (and, again, a possible POV) too.
I mean, I know that this is standard (it's just a personal curiosity) but what's the difference between a CEO writing its company's article and a person with an interest in dinosaurs writing about them? Both like the subject. -- Mentifisto 00:04, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

The biggest difference I can see between the CEO and the dinosaur fan is that the CEO presumably has a vested interest in promoting his/her company and may end up writing the article accordingly. The dinosaur buff (at least if they're anything like I was years ago) is probably more interested in reciting as much information about the animals as possible, rather than promoting any particular agenda. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 00:46, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Let's see: Experts who like a subject are POV suspects. Non experts who like the subject don't know what to write. Indifferent people about a subject don't care to write anything. Indifferent experts cannot exist because they wouldn't care enough about a subject to study it. Successful experts who became CEOs of their companies pursuing commercial avenues for their research products are going to be accused of promoting their product and have a conflict of interest. What a mess. Dr.K. (talk) 01:04, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

This should be like a sign on the main Wikipedia page "Read prior to entry" :o)--mrg3105mrg3105 01:10, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Experts who develop the subject they research are suspect for WP:OR :O)--mrg3105mrg3105 01:12, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Maybe we should have a warning "If you find this article interesting, you must not edit it." That would prevent any COI. DuncanHill (talk) 01:15, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, of course. Plus we should employ a Wikipedia profiler (similar to an FBI profiler) who would only allow depressed or otherwise disillusioned experts who, lacking any enthusiasm, would be sufficiently detached to mechanically recite facts with minimum risk of POV. Dr.K. (talk) 02:06, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Image

Thak you for this help desk. I've been scratching my head for a long time but have been unable to find a solution.

Question 1: Why can't I see the image on Brazilian_waxing page and why I have to click on the image to see it. Is it because of syntax error?

Question 2: Images [[8]] and [[9]]share the same name but are at different locations (wikipedia and wikimedia commons respectively). How do you display the appropriate image in the relevant article? The wikipedia extended image syntax will apparently display only wikipedia image and not wimedia commons image.

[[Image:Example.png|thumb|right|Example image caption]]

68.62.20.94 (talk) 00:05, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Answer 1: The specific image is on a "bad image list", which only allows it to be included on specific articles and not on any other pages. You can request an exemption here.

Answer 2: One of the images needs to be moved. You do this by downloading the image and uploading it under a new name. Also make sure all the accompanying text is moved to the new page and than mark the old image for deletion. --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 02:16, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Note, images and categories cannot be "moved" (see here) the only way to give an image a new name is reupload it with the desired name. VivioFateFan ^{(Talk, Sandbox)} 03:32, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Invalid tags on images

The images at Vijay Arora appear to be mistagged (a movie cap as self-made for example) and also lack fair-use rationale, but I am unfamiliar with image use policy and don't know the proper procedure to deal with such a situation. How should I proceed? Doctorfluffy (talk) 00:44, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

I went with {{di-no source}} which I think is accurate for those images. You can see other templates at Wikipedia:Template messages/Image namespace or you could list them at Wikipedia:Copyright problems. Hope this helps. Woody (talk) 02:53, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

For future reference, you might want to look at Wikipedia:Possibly unfree images as well. In this case, I think the source is known: the movie, so this board does not apply. Woody (talk) 03:28, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Quotation templates

I'm having trouble picking out the correct quotation template from . It's for the Degrassi: The Next Generation article, and I want to quote a chunk of text from the Official book. What is the preferred/best option to do this? -- Matthew Edwards | talk | Contribs 02:19, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

I like Cquote myself. To some extent it is up to you to decide which quote style you prefer. —Noah 05:14, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Pages under construction

Is there a way to tag a page as being under construction? I was working on a page about the molecular geometry "seesaw", but it was tagged for speedy deletion. For the most part, I do not have the time to create an entire page in one sitting, nor the energy. I would like to notify people that although the page is currently in poor condition or incomplete that I am still working on it so that it is not tagged for deletion. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Skiaholic (talk • contribs) 02:20, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

See {{under construction}} and {{In-use}} more specifically. Just add {{under construction}} to the page and people should wait. You could also create it in a WP:SUBPAGE first such as User:Skiaholic/Subpage and edit the article until you think it is ready. Then you could copy it over into the main article space. Hope this helps. Woody (talk) 02:32, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Aren't all of Wikipedia's articles technically "under construction" anyway, as new information can always be added? -- Matthew Edwards | talk | Contribs 02:51, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes but in the initial stages of an article, it can be tagged whilst it is still being expanded and information added that would negate the speedy tags. Woody (talk) 02:52, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Marking articles

Id like to mark an article as needing attention, how would I do that. Specifically Authors of the Bible --Omnipotence407 (talk) 02:27, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Template messages/Cleanup. You probably want {{cleanup}} or something like that. There are lots of templates on the link here. Hope this helps. Woody (talk) 02:35, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Additionally, you may find a template of use here. Happy editing! --omtay38 02:37, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia for blind people

Is there any Wikiproject or something which exists to promote the accessibility of the Wikipedia for blind people? DuncanHill (talk) 02:57, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

I think something like Wikipedia:WikiProject Accessibility is what you are thinking about. --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 03:01, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Cool, thank you! DuncanHill (talk) 03:02, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Do you have any tours?

There are many pages with lots of information about how things work and policy and whatnot. I easily get hyperlost in links. Is there a linear tour I can take? Are there tour guides? Thanks! Pi Pi in my face (talk) 05:17, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

How about the Introduction? —Noah 05:20, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

create page

How do I create a page or article?