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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by A. B. (talk | contribs) at 02:00, 28 January 2009 (→‎www.closingcostfax.com: more closingcostfax.com stuff + a competing site also spamming Wikipedia: closingcost.info). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

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    1. Does the site have any validity to the project?
    2. Have links been placed after warnings/blocks? Have other methods of control been exhausted? Would referring this to our anti-spam bot, XLinkBot be a more appropriate step? Is there a WikiProject Spam report? If so, a permanent link would be helpful.
    3. Please ensure all links have been removed from articles and discussion pages before blacklisting. (They do not have to be removed from user or user talk pages.)
    4. Make the entry at the bottom of the list (before the last line). Please do not do this unless you are familiar with regular expressions — the disruption that can be caused is substantial.
    5. Close the request entry on here using either {{done}} or {{not done}} as appropriate. The request should be left open for a week maybe as there will often be further related sites or an appeal in that time.
    6. Log the entry. Warning: if you do not log any entry you make on the blacklist, it may well be removed if someone appeals and no valid reasons can be found. To log the entry, you will need this number – 266879367 after you have closed the request. See here for more info on logging.

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    closingcostfax.com

    This user repeatedly spam the "closing cost" article after warnings. The site offers wikipedia users nothing but links to use their services at a cost. They are a business (and a shady one at that), and are not considered a helpful link in anyway to the user. They come back repeatedly to edit good external links in lieu of their spam links.

    Spam account and domain

    Jimwalez (talk) 19:04, 18 January 2009 (UTC)Jimwalez[reply]

    Additional IP:
    --A. B. (talk • contribs) 00:18, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Also:
    Deleted material:
    Related domains:
    --A. B. (talk • contribs) 02:00, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    A competing site that also spams Wikipedia: closingcost.info

    Spam domains
    • Google Adsense ID: 0837727812886198


    Related domains


    Accounts
    Some seem to trace within the vicinity of the Scarborough GO Station

    --A. B. (talk • contribs) 02:00, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    clickwrestle.com

    This site was mass added today even after warnings. The site promises video clips of particular professional wrestlers. However the links lead to a subscription site which requires payment and membership to view the videos. I think most all of the links have been removed but they do seem to come back.

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    Thank you for your time. JodyB talk 02:12, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]


    I did some checking. Black Pants Productions also owns these domains:
    --A. B. (talk • contribs) 03:31, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    visataxes.com

    Spam domain


    Spam accounts


    Spam-only user page

    --A. B. (talk • contribs) 19:56, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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    Continued after final warning. No additions since.--Hu12 (talk) 18:27, 23 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]


    amazonkindlecheap.com

    Periodically appears on Amazon Kindle, although when I looked at it just now, it was a deadlink. Still, no reason for such an obvious (to me) spammy link.

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    Yngvarr (t) (c) 22:57, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    lenr-canr.org (original thread)

    The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

    Long-term spamming and use to push fringe views in Cold fusion (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views), see also Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Cold fusion. Links actively being promoted by the site owner (e.g. [7]) in continued furtherance of a real-world dispute which has spilled over onto Wikipedia. Inappropriate as a source due to polemic and fringe advocacy, includes material hosted in violation of original publisher's copyright. Adding now, and listing here for transparency. Also newenergytimes.com seems to be apart of the same problem. Guy (Help!) 21:12, 18 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    This was added, as noted; this addition by JzG appears to have supported his preferred content, making reversion of some edits of his, the same day, impossible. I have requested removal below.
    The site is a library of articles on the topic of cold fusion. I have not checked it for balance, but even if it is only a library of articles selected with a bias, it could still be usable under some conditions. I'm concerned that a private decision that some individual is linkspamming -- he presents no evidence of this, the post diff'd above doesn't show it, but is a legitimate, on the face, Talk page reference to the site, signed by the librarian -- is resulting in the loss of a highly useful resource for copies of articles; the site's own content would be, most likely, unusable, depending on details I don't know; but what JzG broke was citations of articles with links to copies of the articles on the site. Thus what could be easy verification by any reader becomes difficult; the reader will have to go to a library that has a copy of the journal involved. As to the claim of copyright violation, the site claims that permission has been obtained for its content. As I understand the matter, we are not responsible for copyright violation by a site we do not control, and absent clear evidence that a site is massively in violation, which raises other issues, this should not be a reason to prohibit links to the site. In any case, the arguments JzG presents, above, are *content* issues and should be resolved by ordinary editorial consensus, not by administrative fiat, unless some clear and serious policy violation is involved, which has not even been alleged. I do not get, as an editor, to decide unilaterally that some source is inappropriate, and neither should any admin be able to decide that and enforce it with his tools. --Abd (talk) 01:02, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

    See discussion below, MediaWiki talk:Spam-blacklist#lenr-canr.org --Abd (talk) 18:18, 10 January 2009 (UTC) Link fixed due to subject name change below.--Abd (talk) 18:38, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Hott Media, UK (www.hottmedia.net)

    195.160.253.4 (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • blacklist hits • AbuseLog • what links to user page • COIBot • Spamcheck • count • block log • x-wiki • Edit filter search • WHOIS • RDNS • tracert • robtex.com • StopForumSpam • Google • AboutUs • Project HoneyPot)
    User:195.160.253.4 has used this IP since 11 March 2007 to insert promotional links to blogs and entertainment/music artist websites such as micro-softmusic.com and terencemas.com. Editor recently used IP to request an article created on "www.hottmedia.net," which editor described as "A private media company that facilitates the needs of many commercial record labels and unsigned artists." -RoBoTamice 16:13, 23 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    ED

    The following discussion is an archived report. Please do not modify it. Subsequent reports should be made in a new section.

    I just tried to view the page history of a page on ED and my anti-spyware detector went off that the page was trying to edit my registry. Now every couple of minutes I get a random popup for pantomi.com: Linksearch en (insource) - meta - de - fr - simple - wikt:en - wikt:fr • Spamcheck • MER-C X-wiki • gs • Reports: Links on en - COIBot - COIBot-Local • Discussions: tracked - advanced - RSN • COIBot-Link, Local, & XWiki Reports - Wikipedia: en - fr - de • Google: search • meta • Domain: domaintools • AboutUs.com . I think a page that is known to download malware to users computers would be a good addition for this list. MBisanz talk 23:15, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    • It's on the meta blacklist, only the main page can be linked (through whitelisting) and I would say that anyone who links that anywhere other than in the article on ED should be banninated. Guy (Help!) 14:17, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Talk:Encyclopedia_Dramatica/Archive_5#Whitelisted  Not done. Main page already whitelisted for use ONLY in the ED article. --Hu12 (talk) 22:22, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

    farecompare.com

    I am in the process of blacklisting and purging the many hundreds of spam links to this price comparison site, added as spurious references to large numbers of articles. Herby spotted this one, kudos to him. Guy (Help!) 14:18, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Ive seen this spam before. needs blacklisted. Canis Lupus 14:58, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    FYI: past discussions on the links (no objections to removal of the links):
    --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 04:02, 3 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Still over a hundred of these...--Hu12 (talk) 22:25, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    I took care of 60 of them last night ... I'm hoping to have time tonight tomorrow night to remove at least that many more. But, additional help is appreciated! --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 22:32, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    I did the last ones, luckily they're all rather stubby which makes life a lot easier. Nice find Herby. --fvw* 06:10, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    That is to say, I did en:, but I think that's the main one. --fvw* 06:11, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Great work, consider this one  Done--Hu12 (talk) 19:02, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    nonciclopedia.wikia.com

    Another uncy off-shoot which never needs to be linked anywhere and has been spammed on User talk:Hinoa. Has potential to be spammed by the sites users like what happened with uncy.--Otterathome (talk) 22:08, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    f1portal.net

    Also per Wikipedia:WikiProject_Spam/LinkReports/f1portal.net,  Done thanks--Hu12 (talk) 23:41, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    undergroundcashsecret.com

    Accounts:

    MLM marketing scheme, user MO is to replace valid links with this URL. - MrOllie (talk) 00:34, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    indianservers.com

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     Done--Hu12 (talk) 22:09, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    drakecircus.net

    moved here from my talk page. -- seth (talk) 00:16, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    [...] Users are adding www.drakecircus.net instead of .com, so you might want to add it to the blacklist. Jolly Ω Janner 21:46, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    [...] Blacklisting will be done in a few minutes. -- seth (talk) 22:25, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Seems to be working, as one of the latest sockpuppets is resorting to redirecting pages there. Jolly Ω Janner 17:25, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Yep. Revert, indef block, protect user talk page, later, rinse, repeat. OhNoitsJamie Talk 17:34, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Special:Contributions/Jeremy-parkurst-junior another. DMacks (talk) 20:40, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    optiontradingpedia.com

    Garden variety financial web-site spamming. User account and IP sock blocked. COIBot shows a pattern of abuse going back months.

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    Accounts:

    Ronnotel (talk) 16:02, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

     Done Ronnotel (talk) 04:14, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    See also - Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Spam/2008_Archive_Dec_1#http:.2F.2Fspam.optiontradingpedia.com
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    (also logged this).--Hu12 (talk) 21:46, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]


    cabbagesoupdiet7day.com

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    118.101.68.176 (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • blacklist hits • AbuseLog • what links to user page • COIBot • Spamcheck • count • block log • x-wiki • Edit filter search • WHOIS • RDNS • tracert • robtex.com • StopForumSpam • Google • AboutUs • Project HoneyPot)
    60.53.232.54 (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • blacklist hits • AbuseLog • what links to user page • COIBot • Spamcheck • count • block log • x-wiki • Edit filter search • WHOIS • RDNS • tracert • robtex.com • StopForumSpam • Google • AboutUs • Project HoneyPot)
    60.53.233.147 (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • blacklist hits • AbuseLog • what links to user page • COIBot • Spamcheck • count • block log • x-wiki • Edit filter search • WHOIS • RDNS • tracert • robtex.com • StopForumSpam • Google • AboutUs • Project HoneyPot)
    118.101.124.88 (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • blacklist hits • AbuseLog • what links to user page • COIBot • Spamcheck • count • block log • x-wiki • Edit filter search • WHOIS • RDNS • tracert • robtex.com • StopForumSpam • Google • AboutUs • Project HoneyPot)
    118.101.127.31 (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • blacklist hits • AbuseLog • what links to user page • COIBot • Spamcheck • count • block log • x-wiki • Edit filter search • WHOIS • RDNS • tracert • robtex.com • StopForumSpam • Google • AboutUs • Project HoneyPot)
    124.13.177.87 (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • blacklist hits • AbuseLog • what links to user page • COIBot • Spamcheck • count • block log • x-wiki • Edit filter search • WHOIS • RDNS • tracert • robtex.com • StopForumSpam • Google • AboutUs • Project HoneyPot)
    118.101.23.250 (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • blacklist hits • AbuseLog • what links to user page • COIBot • Spamcheck • count • block log • x-wiki • Edit filter search • WHOIS • RDNS • tracert • robtex.com • StopForumSpam • Google • AboutUs • Project HoneyPot)
    118.100.180.18 (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • blacklist hits • AbuseLog • what links to user page • COIBot • Spamcheck • count • block log • x-wiki • Edit filter search • WHOIS • RDNS • tracert • robtex.com • StopForumSpam • Google • AboutUs • Project HoneyPot)
    60.53.236.116 (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • blacklist hits • AbuseLog • what links to user page • COIBot • Spamcheck • count • block log • x-wiki • Edit filter search • WHOIS • RDNS • tracert • robtex.com • StopForumSpam • Google • AboutUs • Project HoneyPot)
    60.53.234.211 (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • blacklist hits • AbuseLog • what links to user page • COIBot • Spamcheck • count • block log • x-wiki • Edit filter search • WHOIS • RDNS • tracert • robtex.com • StopForumSpam • Google • AboutUs • Project HoneyPot)
    60.53.236.2 (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • blacklist hits • AbuseLog • what links to user page • COIBot • Spamcheck • count • block log • x-wiki • Edit filter search • WHOIS • RDNS • tracert • robtex.com • StopForumSpam • Google • AboutUs • Project HoneyPot)
    Clear and persistant long term spamming. Additionaly it appears along with this domain, other related domains by the same Adsense owner (pub-0540338099227977) have been clearly spammed and has used wikipedia to promote his/her site under multiple anon accounts. All are  Done--Hu12 (talk) 19:43, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    immigrationlawyersecuador.com

    Has been added 6 times to Ecuador by 190.154.199.67, whose only other contribution is a similar link. Edit summary requests ignored

    190.154.199.67 (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • blacklist hits • AbuseLog • what links to user page • COIBot • Spamcheck • count • block log • x-wiki • Edit filter search • WHOIS • RDNS • tracert • robtex.com • StopForumSpam • Google • AboutUs • Project HoneyPot)

    webs.com

    webs.com: Linksearch en (insource) - meta - de - fr - simple - wikt:en - wikt:fr • Spamcheck • MER-C X-wiki • gs • Reports: Links on en - COIBot - COIBot-Local • Discussions: tracked - advanced - RSN • COIBot-Link, Local, & XWiki Reports - Wikipedia: en - fr - de • Google: search • meta • Domain: domaintools • AboutUs.com

    This main home for this domain bills itself as a place to "create your own website for free". The problem is that many of the websites created are not written by authorities on the subjects. While there may be some legitimate pages on the site, the ones I have reviewed thus far are comprised of fansites, soapboxing, advertisements, and original research into various subjects.

    Unfortunately, there are over 600 uses of this domain in multiple articles on Wikipedia, so reviewing is going to be time consuming to determine which (if any) of the uses should be viewed as legitimate and potentially allow white-listing for any legitimate sites that may be found.

    Note: this was initially reported a few days ago at Wikipedia talk:WPSPAM#webs.com. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 18:53, 20 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Comment: After searching further, it appears that webs.com was originally named freewebs.com. For both that site and for webs.com, it appears that blacklisting has been done in the past based on subdomains. Looking at this closer, I suspect that's the better way to address this: blacklisting subdomains only if they become problematic - not doing the whole webs.com domain due to several inappropriate uses of it. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 19:29, 21 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    pureinsideout.com

    This link has been added to multiple articles by multiple IPs over several months. Deli nk (talk) 18:03, 21 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Sample IPs:

    Cross wiki IP
    Persistant spamming, and in addition its a Link normally to be avoided.  Done--Hu12 (talk) 19:20, 21 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    recoverdatasoftware.com

    Please add

    per m:User:COIBot/XWiki/recoverdatasoftware.com and Data recovery. This is the only wiki that's been targeted. --Erwin(85) 14:44, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    plus Added recoverdata(?:software|tools)\.com -- seth (talk) 15:33, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    atfindia.org


    Domain has been added to external links pages repeatedly by multiple suspected sock accounts, promoting web-articles tenously related to the topic. user has been warned repeatedly. User A1 (talk) 22:48, 26 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Proposed removals


    scififantasyfiction. suite101. com

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    I want to use this article [scififantasyfiction. suite101. com/ article.cfm/ nicola_griffith] as a reference is an article about Homosexuality in SF. It looks like a reliable source, and the interviewee is notable. I assume it was blacklisted for a spamming reason, but it remains a useful reliable source (this interview is not hosted elsewhere).Yobmod (talk) 13:59, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Ah, i see this site has much spamming, therefore i requested white-listing of just that page instead.Yobmod (talk) 14:14, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Closing as deffered to whitelist (some time ago). --Hu12 (talk) 20:01, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

    www.historyhouse.co.uk/essexg05a.html

    I tried to add this link to the history section of the Grays article. It contains interesting information about the history of the town from an 1848 publication. I was therefore surprised to see that it's regarded as spam and blocked. I can only presume that there have been problems with it in the past. I have no connection with anyone running the site, I found it when looking for online sources about the town's history, a subject which is only very briefly touched on by the Wikipedia article. Since the site also contains further interesting sections from White's Directory of Essex (1848) in relation to other small towns in Essex, I might further wish to refer to it when developing similar articles. Would it please be possible to remove either the site or the page mentioned above from the list? Obviously if this is a problem I'll look for other sources, however this site seems to have several worth referring to in one convenient location. IrishPete (talk) 11:33, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    • Thanks. This is the first time I've encountered this problem, so I wasn't quite sure how to go about it.

    IrishPete (talk) 05:26, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

     Defer to Whitelist Stifle (talk) 11:55, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    www.drakecircus.com

    There has been a continual and ongoing disruption of the Drake Circus Shopping Centre article by several disruptive editors. Their preferred method is to removed the official website address of the article's subject. This address has not been spammed and so far as I know only appears on the article itself which is quite within the rules of WP. After the protection has been removed from the article one of the disruptive IPs has removed the link once again. We have not been able to revert the edit due to this address having appeared somehow on the spam filter (no doubt requested by one of these disruptive editors. I'd be grateful if this entry could be removed from the filter as it should never have been there in the first place. Thanks. --WebHamster 00:36, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    • A user with a dynamic IP had been adding the link, and promotional content about the shopping centre, to random articles, but this was probably the same user who was removing the link from the Drake Circus Shopping Centre article in an attempt to have it added to the blacklist. It was added to the blacklist on 14 November by User:Herbythyme (who is currently on a wikibreak and not an administrator). —Snigbrook 20:09, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    It was being spammed across a number of pages (including user ones) at the time. That was disruptive & that is what the list is for. I am no longer an admin & only watch limited areas of the project due to time issues.
    Whatever else it was correct to list it given the disruption being caused by people placing the link. --Herby talk thyme 12:43, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    {{editprotected}} The link has been removed from the Drake Circus Shopping Centre article by an IP, and I tried to revert but I am currently unable to because of the blacklist (the blacklist would also prevent other users from editing the article without removing the link ). See comments above for an explanation of why it was added to the blacklist – a more appropriate solution, if the link continues to be used for vandalism, would be to add it to User:XLinkBot/RevertList. —Snigbrook 20:09, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Webhamster's summary at the top of this section is right in places but wrong where pointed out by Snigbrook and Herbythyme. The URL was indeed spammed in unlikely places either by IPs or by throwaway accounts (I now forget which) who were unconvincingly posing as tenants of this shopping mall. (Here's just one crass example.) At the same time the presence of the URL within the article on this shopping mall was repeatedly (and tiresomely) opposed by IPs as worthless and spam. I can agree with the latter IPs that the website is uninformative and uninteresting. (It's the site of a shopping mall, so one can hardly expect more.) Because it's uninformative and uninteresting, I find it very hard to imagine any legitimate reason ever to link to it from anywhere other than this one article. And because IPs are tireless in expressing their loathing of this shopping mall, the joe-job spamlinks elsewhere are likely to reappear. If User:XLinkBot/RevertList does what its name suggests, it will allow some irritating person with an endless supply of IP numbers to waste WP resources. I think the domain should instead stay blacklisted. (My own inclination after hours and hours wasted over this uninteresting article: Unblacklist the domain to let it be added to this article, edit the article, protect the article indefinitely, and reblacklist. But no doubt this would violate various policies.) -- Hoary (talk) 15:15, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Hoary's final piece in brackets seems perfect to me :). The only difference to me is (fortunately) I've not wasted hours on the (remarkably) uninteresting article. --Herby talk thyme 15:28, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    To be honest I don't really care what happens either to the article or to the link, what does piss me off though is when wankers 'win' by gaming the system. In my eyes it just sets dangerous precedents. By adding the address to the blacklist you have given these prats exactly what they want. When it comes down to it though is that this is giving in purely because of convenience. What happens when someone tries the very same thing with www.micro$haft.com? The fact of the matter is that this link is being used correctly on the article and therefore should be allowed to be added to the article. It's a shame that the blacklist can't be versatile enough to filter the address if it's not used on that article or if it's used more than once. I still think it's a bad day when convenience wins over correct procedure.
    Oh, and yes I totally agree that this is a thoroughly uninteresting article and doesn't warrant the time that's been spent on it... not to mention all the other faecal fallout associated with it that Hoary and I have had to deal with! --WebHamster 15:55, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • I think it would be appropriate to remove it from the blacklist. The next time the certain disruptive user removes the link, I (and other users) will not be able to revert the edit and will have to seek admin help. This is a ridiculous waste of time. The link was probably spammed around in the first place just so that the certain disruptive user could increase the time it would take for one of us to revert the edit. Jolly Ω Janner 16:39, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    What about a semi-protection of this article for at least 6 months? If a link is on the blacklist it doesn't mean, that the link is evil, but it's just a possibility for us to protect the wikipedia against spamming. If we let the link on the SBL but additionally semi-protect the article that solution won't waste much time. This could be a work-around until the we are possible to restrict SBL entries to certain articles. -- seth (talk) 19:49, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Protecting the article makes no difference. If the IP fuckwits don't want the web link to appear all they have to do is spam it over the project like they did last time so that a pissed off admin like Herby once again adds it to the SBL. Once it's on the blacklist the article can't be edited without removing the link. So they get it removed by proxy so's to speak. As I said, they are gaming the system and this needs to be sorted because it's a loophole other vandals can use. Either way they win and disrupt the project in the process (albeit marginally) --WebHamster 19:57, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    But there should be a link to the website on the article. It is not possible to do so whilst it is on the blacklist. I do not wish to compromise an article's quality to prevent SPAM elsewhere. Jolly Ω Janner 19:57, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    I totally agree, which is why I commented above that the convenience of admins does not outweigh the fact that it's appropriate to include the link. This is the short end of a wedge that sooner or later could be jammed up a lazy admin's rear-end. --WebHamster 20:04, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Normaly when Wikipedia encounters this sort of disruption from a user, blocks are enforced. I have never seen one of the IP addresses blocked. I think that if this user becomes active again, we should try to enforce a range block. We have plenty of evidence. Jolly Ω Janner 20:12, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    The problem is the insidiousness of the spamming...not only on related pages and not "many pages at once", so hard to catch by watchlisting. I concur that there appears to have been (and again is, now that protection expired) a ton of gaming and throwaway/sock/rotating account usage here, bad enough that it can't even be discerned which socks are on which side of the aisle (or posing to be). But it doesn't matter...the URL is a spam problem. Blacklisting it solves it in a way that xlinkbot can't: I don't see any legitimate use of it anywhere by anyone except on this page, but we do have evidence of users attempting to do so and vandal-trackers having an annoying time tracking them. I'm with Hoary and seth here...the link seems appropriate IMO. Too much time has already been spent on such an unimportant article...fix the vandalism, protect so it doesn't happen again, move on. DMacks (talk) 21:10, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    On comment "Once it's on the blacklist the article can't be edited without removing the link.":
    That's not true. Since May 2008 an article is not blocked, if there's link on it which has been placed there before the link was blacklisted. That's why I said, that a combination of a sbl addition and and a semi-protection would solve the problem. -- seth (talk) 22:11, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    I would support semi-protecting the article. At least six months, as the user has shown no sign of stopping. We need to remove it from the blacklist, add the URL back to the article and then re-add the URL to the blacklist and then semi-protect the article, so IPs cannot remove it. Jolly Ω Janner 22:51, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    information Administrator noteI have removed the editprotected template, as this discussion seems to be moving away from that option.--Aervanath talks like a mover, but not a shaker 19:02, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    As there are no objections to the proposal we repeated a few times up there...
    Could any admin reading this semi-protect Drake Circus Shopping Centre for about 6 months? I guess my half adminship does not allow me to do that. The rest, i.e., temp unblocking I can do by myself. -- seth (talk) 22:39, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes I certainly could. Indeed, I've just tried to do this -- of course after readding the link. But I was told The spam filter blocked your page save because it detected a blacklisted hyperlink. Seth, you're right, your silly half adminship doesn't permit you to do this kind of thing. If I'd been aware of your candidacy I'd have voted to make you a full admin with none of the silliness. So, plan A, in the spirit of "IAR" and more importantly of "let's stop dicking around", I, rouge administrator extraordinaire, authorize you to deblacklist, edit the page, save it, sprotect it for six months, and reblacklist. If people are unhappy with that they can desysop both of us, ha ha. Alternatively, plan B, I'll do the whole thing myself: I'm unfamiliar with de/reblacklisting and may screw something up, but then you're unfamiliar with protection and may screw something up there. Plan B would be less controversial than plan A, and wouldn't jeopardize your career (if career is the right word). So which is it to be, A, B, or something else? -- Hoary (talk) 01:47, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    plan C (which actually was my original plan, sorry that I was not clear enough):
    1. semi-protection only (you part)
    2. all the rest (my part)
    Ok? :-) -- seth (talk) 10:22, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    c1 done; over to you, Seth. -- Hoary (talk) 11:49, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    c2 done.  Done -- seth (talk) 13:26, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    It would have been easier to revert the original edit, which removed it from the infobox. I guess we'll have to do without the link there, as it's already been blacklisted. Jolly Ω Janner 16:34, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    That's no problem. If a blacklisted link is on a page once, you may place more occurences of it. So I undid that edit, but hat to remove the final "/". -- seth (talk) 17:08, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Ah, thanks. Jolly Ω Janner 17:23, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    yes thank you - is there any way to permanently protect this article as no doubt the next intake of first years at Plymouth University will want to vandalise it again with their boring crap about bomb shelters, that damn levinsky building and those silly little shops in the drake circus area. We really do not need the hassle and if it was permanently protected we could all get on and contribute in other areasJeremy-parkurst-junior (talk) 20:26, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Jeremy-parkurst-junior indef-blocked as another clone involved in the spamming. DMacks (talk) 20:42, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    www.holocaustresearchproject.org

    The site looks legit to me. I was attempting to add a ref from it to an article Heinrich Müller (Gestapo) (regarding the date when he joined NSDAP), when I got the message that the site is blacklisted. Sounds like a strange site to blacklist, as it seems to be a legitimate research project. Nsk92 (talk) 21:43, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    It's been discussed before. Previous consensus was that it did not meet WP:Reliable sources criteria. It was originally blacklisted at meta because of spamming from multiple accounts. OhNoitsJamie Talk 21:49, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Hmm, interesting. I found a link to this site by a fairly random google search when looking for some info for the Heinrich Müller (Gestapo). Superficially it looked quite all right to me. But if there is history of actual spamming from this site, that is a different matter. I would have to look at it more closely. Nsk92 (talk) 21:57, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    There was no spammin from this website. The spammers were third party "Hate-Bloggers" who attempted to have this website removed by creating the appearance that the spam was actually coming from the HEART website. This was nothing more than an attempted denial of service attack that affected both wiki and the HEART website. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.160.29.6 (talk) 11:08, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    lenr-canr.org

    The following discussion is an archived report. Please do not modify it. Subsequent reports should be made in a new section.


    This site is a library of articles on the topic of Cold fusion, which is highly controversial. Some articles that have been published in peer-reviewed journals, or that are written by a notable expert, and which may, under some circumstances, be usable as sources for Wikipedia, can be found here; the site claims that permission was obtained, and there may be no other available copies on the web. Administrator JzG appears to have been involved in disputes over the cold fusion articles; in any case, he removed some links from the article on Martin Fleischmann, breaking citations, without discussion, and, at the same time, blacklisted the library site. His "proposed" listing -- he had already listed it -- explained his rationale, but didn't show evidence of spamming, the single diff appears to be a legitimate mention of the site by the librarian, who identifies himself, on a Talk page, which is exactly where a COI editor should make suggestions. This appears to be an administrator making a content decision and enforcing it with his tools; it was impossible to undo his edits to the article because of the listing. He cites Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Cold fusion, but that arbitration didn't establish that lenr-canr was proper to blacklist. I've requested that he remove the listing, but he has refused. Please remove the listing. --Abd (talk) 00:50, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    • This is not a "library" it is a fringe advocacy site. Problems which led to blacklisting include:
    1. Spamming by the site owner - he calls himself a "librarian" but is actually the webmaster of the site. He is banned for multiple block evasion. Some of his contributions:
      JedRothwell (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
      64.247.224.24 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
      208.65.88.243 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
      See also his input in debates
    2. Promotion of the site by the site owner in evasion of multiple blocks.
    3. Copyright violations (which abd appears to acknowledge in the request above; those peer-reviewed papers are not copyright of lenr-car, the ones which do not violate copyright come from fringe journals, the ones from journals which are actually usable violate copyright, and in any case we sould cite the source journal not some fringe website which hosts copies of the articles with, in at least one documented case, editorial comment to skew the presentation).
    4. Misrepresentation of sources (e.g. a heavily editorialsied summary of a USDoE review linked from lenr-canr instead of the report itself being linked from .gov).
    5. Fringe advocacy - as a "library" it fails badly, since it includes primarily sources which are against the mainstream (and where the mainstream is represented, editorial comment and apologia may be added).
    Abd apparently wants one link on one article. That might justify a whitelisting of that one link if it weren't for the fact that it is not a reliable source, and the article subject in question is a WP:BLP who incidentally has over 14,000 hits on Google Scholar, which rather indicates that better sources are probably available for any facts needing support - assuming the section in question does not fail WP:UNDUE, which it might well do. Regardless, this domain has been abused for a long time and I have also been requested to take it to the meta blacklist, so removing it from the blacklist on the basis of wanting to restore a single link to a single article seems foolish given the long-term disruption the site owner has caused. Guy (Help!) 09:58, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Sure, whitelisting individual citations is a possible solution, but it's not what I "want" right now. I want the blacklisting removed until and unless it is independently reviewed, with proper consideration and evidence. I consider that JzG, as an involved editor, improperly used his administrative tools to add the site. He should not do both: vigorously argue for blacklisting, as he does above, and then be the judge, jury, and executioner. I could take the time to dismantle what he's written above; on the face of it, it's inadequate. The request is made for removal here, because the addition was improper. I'd rather not waste time right now arguing against each point JzG has made, but it could be done. It should be moot. He shouldn't have added the site, period, and, as Petri Krohn notes below, I wish he would just remove it. How much harm would it do? I can say this, it could do some harm if it stays on the blacklist, it has already done harm. --Abd (talk) 04:46, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    What, so you could address the policy reasons for blacklisting a site which was abused but you prefer to focus on the person instead, even though I posted it for review at the time? Riiiight. Apart from the single link on the Fleischmann article, which others do you intend to restore? The copy of the DoE review which turned out to be heavily editorialised? The ones where there is no evidence of copyright release? The ones added by Pcarbonn, who is now banned from this topic? The ones added and suggested by Jed Rothwell, the site owner? Or are there others which are provably good content which does not advocate a fringe POV and/or violate copyright? Guy (Help!) 09:09, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • P.S. - As to the copyright issue: Copyright on scientific publications (like all works) originates from the creator, not the publisher. Authors can and generally do retain rights to distribute the papers outside the printed journal. The lenr-canr.org site states: "...more than 500 original scientific papers reprinted with permission from the authors and publishers." I see no reason to doubt that they have the right to distribute the limited set of articles. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 02:12, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    You are wrong. I have had exactly that discussion with numerous academic publishers and authors in respect of a site where I am on the editorial board. Even the creator is not usually allowed to put full text on the net, and they are certainly not allowed to "release" copies to another site - the copyright statement tells you that the material is (c) the publisher, not the authors. Here we also have at least one case where the hosted "copy" was shown to have been falsified to better reflect the bias of the site owners. There is no way we should be linking to that site, plus the main reason for blacklisting was abuse and promotion by the site owner anyway. This is not a case of "abusing the spam filter to enforce POV", it is a case of using the spam filter to control link abuse. As to POV, have you actually read the arbitration case on cold fusion? This addressed the precise issue of the abuse of Wikipedia to promote a POV, and it was not me who was doing it. But that is a sideshow. This site is (a) subject to spamming and promotion by its webmaster (WP:SPAM; (b) hosting copyright material without evidence of copyright release (WP:C); (c) not a reliable source, having been shown in at least one case to be hosting a falsified copy better reflecting a fringe POV (WP:RS); (d) a site which is biased and advocates a fringe POV and is therefore not a neutral source for content (WP:NPOV). It is not an appropriate source, and Wikipedia was abused by its owner and his friends to promote it. Perfectly routine blacklist. Guy (Help!) 09:05, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Copyright issues

    I wrote to Jed Rothwell asking about the copyright issues.

    >Could you elaborate on why you believe you have the right to host
    >these publications.


    As stated on the first page of LENR-CANR.org, this website: ". . .
    features a library of more than 500 original scientific papers
    reprinted with permission from the authors and publishers."

    If I do not get permission, I do not upload the paper. I have ~1,200
    scanned images of papers plus roughly 1,000 printed copies of papers
    that I cannot get permission to upload, so I have not uploaded them.
    They are listed in the bibliography.

    Here is an example of document by the publisher gave me permission to
    upload "selected pages." They let me decide which pages to upload:

    http://lenr-canr..org/acrobat/McKubreMCHdevelopmen.pdf

    Here is an example of a paper that the publisher told me I could not
    upload. They did give me permission to upload the abstract:

    http://lenr-canr..org/acrobat/SzpakSfurtherevi.pdf

    Obviously, I have a copy of this paper. If I were to go around
    ignoring publishers' demands, I would upload it. I would also incur
    the enmity of publishers and authors alike, and they would stop
    giving me papers -- which would be a disaster for LENR-CANR.org. So I
    wouldn't do that!

    - Jed

    What further proof would be needed on his permission to host the documents on his server? -- Petri Krohn (talk) 22:51, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Thanks, Petri. I asked admin User:DGG, who is a librarian professionally, to take a look at this. He wrote an opinion on JzG's talk that the site should not be blacklisted. --Abd (talk) 18:15, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • He would need to prove copyright release from the copyright owner in every single case, the owner being the publisher of the source journal. In most cases (as in: in every single case I have come across with any journal of any significance whatsoever, so likely every single paper whichmerits inclusion per WP:UNDUE) this is not granted for any purpose to any site. Jed Rothwell is employing a fairly typical fast-and-loose attitude to copyright - it's OK unless they tell me not to - but L.A. Times v. Free Republic makes it pretty plain that explicit consent is required in all cases. Of course Rothwell is extremely keen that we link to his website, but his needs are not really our concern. It is, after all, a site devoted to advocating a fringe view, so effectively useless as a source of original content, and that content which is not original should be cited to the original source ideally using a DOI - abstracts are almost always available from the original publsihers, certainly if the content is reputable enough to be cited. DOIs work like ISBNs for academic papers; the dx.doi.org service redirects you to the appropriate source for the abstract. This is a much better solution than linking to a site which has been abused in the past for falsification of references. Guy (Help!) 21:14, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    What part of this was difficult to understand?
    As stated on the first page of LENR-CANR.org, this website: ". . . features a library of more than 500 original scientific papers reprinted with permission from the authors and publishers."
    If I do not get permission, I do not upload the paper.
    He states: "authors and publishers." He's either lying or all the material on the site, excepting possible errors, is legitimate. And our policy is clear that isolated violations don't justify excluding a site. He claims to have "explicit consent," so the case cited is irrelevant. Is there any evidence that any papers there are in violation. Yes, we can cite the papers, without using lenr-canr.org, but serving the readers indicates that linking is a convenience to them. Abstracts don't cut it. I've asked for evidence of "falsification of references," and it hasn't been provided; however, I think I know what JzG means. He means that, in his opinion, an editor inappropriately used a source. That does not impeach the source, it impeaches the editor who abused it. It was a technical error, in any case, to cite lenr-canr.org as the source; the source is the original publication, which is acceptable or not, depending. The legitimate use of lenr-canr.org is to show a legitimate copy of the paper. And, in spite of some substantial objection from editors, JzG is insisting on his right to use his tools to block this, to essentially abuse the blacklist in service of his position on content. Abuse of admin tools is a serious matter, it is more serious than the issue of this one source. --Abd (talk) 18:15, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    fyi: I removed lenr-canr.org from this blacklist for it is blacklisted at meta now. So from now on this thread should be treated as a whitelist request. Actually that makes just a technical but not a practical difference. -- seth (talk) 19:40, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    As seth reported its now a meta issue. Closing this as  Not done Defer to Whitelist --Hu12 (talk) 23:27, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

    note the related request below for newenergytimes.com

    [talk:Spam-blacklist#newenergytimes.com] --Abd (talk) 23:42, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    moneyweek.com

    Major UK financial magazine. Blacklisted here. Causing obvious problems on the editor, Merryn Somerset Webb's article [15]. Please justify addition. If removing, please enable the commented out text and reference link in the article. Thanks -- John (Daytona2 · Talk · Contribs) 10:16, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    • Having seen the justification, I agree with blacklisting Agora group as a whole. The ban the group argument hits a nerve with me too - why should people who volounteer their time to edit Wikipedia spend significant time and effort to determine which elements of the group spam, and which do not. Agora had the same opportunity to learn and conform to Wikipedia rules as everyone else. They failed to do so. I say this as someone who has considerable respect for some of the Moneyweek journalists - after ~20 years of investing, and having read copious material on the subject, the number of peope who hold this respect can be counted on the fingers of both hands. Good work A. B.
    If it hasn't already been done, I'd suggest removing links added by proven spammers.
    I don't understand how the process works. Please allow -
    Oh bugger, I can't list them as they're blacklist, of course :-( - see edit text comment.
    Since Moneyweek is a large (the largest?) UK financial magazine, blacklisting will prevent editors less persistant than me (like many things on WP it seems complicated for experienced editors who are not normally involved in the particular aspect) from adding genuine information. You may need to review the existing URL references to Moneyweek in ~61 articles - [16] as they may well be genuine and will prevent any further editing.
    -- John (Daytona2 · Talk · Contribs) 12:13, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    I suggest removing the whole domain moneyweek.com from the blacklist, because it seems to be a useful domain: [17]. Perhaps it should be added to a list of one of your bots? -- seth (talk) 09:58, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Extensive (and fairly recent) Spamming by Agora Publishing despite the 2 years of warnings. When there are more trusted, high-volume editors requesting the use of this domain because of their encyclopedic value in support of our encyclopedia pages, only then should additional consideration be given to fully lifting the Blacklist. no Declined, however;

    • http://www.moneyweek.com/news-and-charts/economics/imaginary-profits-dry-up-14251.aspx
    • http://www.moneyweek.com/file/229/merryn-somerset-webb-.html
    • http://www.moneyweek.com/file/19277/how-anthony-bolton-finds-winners.html

    the (above) three specificaly requested URL's by Daytona2 are speedily Whitelisted for use.  Done.--Hu12 (talk) 00:01, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Thanks, but whether someone is or is not a high volume editor should have nothing to do with it. Just because I, or other editors are not high volume contributors, does not and should not somehow make us second class editors. -- John (Daytona2 · Talk · Contribs) 09:17, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    I believe you misinterperate what I ment. The statement was not directed at your edit count, but at those accounts and IP's which are Single purpose accounts, used to spam "particular" links and which typicaly make requests for delistings with no other edits outside a particular topic. Editors requesting the use of this domain because of their encyclopedic value in support of our encyclopedia pages are always welcome, however the quality of editor requesting them is also a factor, especialy when there has been a history of widespread abuse. cheers--Hu12 (talk) 21:48, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Fair enough, if you'd said non Single purpose accounts, I would have understood :-) -- John (Daytona2 · Talk · Contribs) 10:36, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    As the original blacklisting admin, I have no problems with the idea of whitelisting specific Agora pages upon request from established editors and based on very close review. Having spent many hours looking at all the Agora domains and publications, I have to say they are a very mixed bag. A few probably meet our Reliable Sources Guideline, depending on the context, while others are just "financial porn".
    Even the good stuff is often one analyst's opinion, so they should be treated as opinion pieces; i.e., "Moneyweek, a financial publication, has described Acme Roadrunner Traps as a leader in its field" as opposed to "Acme Roadrunner Traps as a is a leader in its field". Furthermore, we try to stay away from opinions unless the source is notable and the opinion is both relevant and notable in itself: Prime Minister Gordon Brown's views on the Obama election are probably quoteworthy (in a section on "foreign reaction to the 2008 election") but not his views on Australian wildlife. So even the Acme example would not be appropriate unless Moneyweek was one of the top experts on roadrunner traps.
    As for removing these domains entirely from the blacklist, that's just inviting abuse, given their history (including multiple ignored requests to stop spamming us). --A. B. (talk • contribs) 17:11, 20 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    newenergytimes.com

    More an explanation request than a removal request (although the owner would probably be delighted if it were removed). The owner has contacted me with a query why his domain was blacklisted. Not really my area, so if there's a readily accessible archive please provide a link to it. Otherwise, would much appreciate an explanation of the decision for the domain owner's peace of mind. Thanks much, DurovaCharge! 05:11, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Check the thread above about lenr-canr.org. It seems that both are related to Cold fusion. Jehochman Talk 05:18, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    That thread ends by referring the reader to Meta, and I was referred here from Meta by Mike Lifeguard. DurovaCharge! 05:52, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Have you asked User:JzG if he knows anything about this? Jehochman Talk 06:27, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    (outdent) Jehochman, it is very odd that 20 minutes after you express a wish to minimize contact with me,[18] you follow me to this page where you have been active at no other open thread. Please cease interference in this query.

    The site owner has already knocked on the obvious doors--otherwise he would not have come to me. I would like a straight answer, please, from someone who knows the circumstances relevant to this domain. DurovaCharge! 16:09, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    I originally became aware of this issue, well before this present thread was started, through discussion on Jehochman's talk page of lenr-canr.org. He is aware of some of this, but I don't know that he's been following developments. He was generally neutral but seemed to assume that blacklisting wouldn't take place without some consensus among those running the list. JzG, in fact, bypassed that, he just did it himself. This matter has been discussed extensively, as to lenr-canr.org, on User talk:JzG, he recently archived it (when it was fresh), which is certainly his right....
    There is no denial that there might be some issues involving usage of the site, it could be seen as -- or simply is -- an advocacy site, though I think it does publish skeptical articles. However, that's a matter for editors of the articles to determine. There are some editors who think that something is about "cold fusion" means automatically that it's fringe science, which is quite definitely not true. It's science in a field which has been considered "closed" by some kind of majority, but by no means by consensus of informed scientists, which is what would be true of a fringe field. And there is recent research that is ... stunning. Some of which exists in RS, but ... we have editors who will vigorously oppose using those sources just because it seems to "open" up the controversy. And I'm not talking about newenergytimes, I'm talking about sources we'd ordinarily consider solid.
    Please see also discussion on this page of lenr-canr.org. There are two threads, the original "proposal" (brief) and the recent (with substantial debate). --Abd (talk) 19:16, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    I remember this site and the issues regarding it. Here are some starting links - [19] (especially telling) [20], [21], [22], [23] (there are, of course, more). The source was rejected by an 2 uninvolved editors (shockingly, without us involved editors showing up to poison the well) on RSN Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_14#www.newenergytimes.com. I have no opinion on it's remaining on the blacklist or not, or when/why it was put there, nor do I especially care, but I thought someone should note the two (er, there might have been more, but I forgot their names) problematic accounts and the RSN discussion that was with the GA review. Questions posted to me should be copied to my TALK page - I was checking for a totally unrelated site here and do not have this page watchlisted, because I'm not interested in getting reinvolved in this issue. Hipocrite (talk) 17:34, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't see the RS noticeboard discussion in May 2008 as conclusive on anything. Some obvious questions or issues were raised, but no firm conclusion was drawn. In a field like this, there is going to be a lot of debate over what sources are usable, and for what. NET is somewhat notable, its not exactly obscure. But I'd not care to debate its usability as a source without a specific example, and the result for that example might be different than for another one. Blacklisting is a blunt instrument and the level and nature of the uses of NET links above doesn't even come close to the linkspamming that might justify it.
    That "telling link" is indeed interesting. Compared to totse.com, the prior repository, which was labeling the paper as fringe science, NET would be quite usable. But that was for a copy of a paper. TOTSE is now defunct, supposedly shut down yesterday. So ... exactly what was "telling" here? Krivit shouldn't have made that edit because of COI, to be sure, but that was, after all, in 2005! The most recent edit in the list of diffs was January, 2007. I also looked at the FA review that demoted the article in 2006, and at the GA discussion that promoted it in May 2008 (the occasion for the RSN query), as well as the delisting. I don't see any sign of linkspamming. --Abd (talk) 02:45, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Right, the site has a pro-cold fusion POV and it would be surprising if it passed WP:RS. Yet we don't normally blacklist sites for advocating fringe science or failing RS; they might still be acceptable as external links unless actual abuse were happening. Have there been spamming/socking/copyvio or other specific problems that brought things to this extreme? The site owner is willing to accept blacklist status if it's been assigned fairly. Best regards, DurovaCharge! 18:08, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you for the talk page notification - it will remain required as there is a 0% chance that I can watchlist this page and retain my wikicivility in the near term. I really don't know the definition of "spam" as used here. I don't believe there was overly-disruptive sockpuppeting to include links back then, and I don't believe there is a copy-vio argument. I do know that the owner of the site repeatedly added in article-space references to his site that were not-reliable and often authored/co-authored by him. I know that the site has repeatedly commented on Wikipedia, and has, in my involved (but uncaringly retired from Cold Fusion untill such time as lots and lots of people get banned) opinion expressed a desire to modify the Cold Fusion page to be more in line with the sites POV, which in my involved (burfcfustalalopgb) opinion is at odds with Wikipedia's goal to disseminate knowledge. Hipocrite (talk) 18:29, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    The site was listed by admin JzG on December 18, after he removed two references from Martin Fleischmann. He did not discuss the removals from that article, but he immediately went to the blacklist and blacklisted both lenr-canr.org and newenergytimes.com. He didn't name these in his edit summaries, and he didn't log them, so they were hard to find. The blacklisting was apparently discovered when an editor attempted to revert his edits. When he was challenged, he went to meta and argued there for a meta blacklisting, which was done. Nobody who understood the issues noticed the blacklist request there. There is now discussion on both this page and the meta blacklist talk page. The content arguments are not ones that we should resolve here, that's not what spam blacklists are for. No evidence was provided of anything like the level of linkspamming -- if any at all -- that would merit blacklisting as distinct from dealing with inappropriate edits individually. No editor is blocked, so that, as well, wasn't tried. The lenr-canr.org link removed by Fleischmann was placed several days before by a legitimate editor, and it seems appropriate to me. Here, for convenience, are the removals from the article by JzG: [24][25], and his edits to the blacklist: [26][27]. I have discussed this with JzG on his talk page, which was joined by DGG, and JzG has been intransigent. I would argue that at least one of these sources, being a paper by Fleischmann himself, would be qualified as source for his bio, on the history of the cold fusion affair. It should be attributed, of course, but I think it was inserted as a general reference, not as a citation for specific text. The Fleischmann reference wasn't inserted by a COI user or spammer. It has, in fact, been restored, but without the link that allows readers to actually read the paper, since the blacklist prevents that. This paper wasn't published by lenr-canr.org, it was published in China, being proceedings of a conference, and there is no controversy over the copy being accurate, nor any reasonable controversy over copyright; lenr-canr.org webmaster Rothman has written in an email cited in discussion (here, I think it was), over the copyright issue that he is very careful to obtain permission from both authors and publishers, for all material on his site, which makes sense. He'd be shot down quickly, since lenr-canr.org is very prominent in searches. Summary: the blacklisting was an attempt to enforce a content position. The arguments for blacklisting are red herrings. --Abd (talk) 19:03, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Baby steps first (am slowly getting up to speed here). So are you telling me this domain actually is blacklisted at Meta, in spite of what Mike Lifeguard said last night? Meta was the first place I checked. DurovaCharge! 22:26, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    No, this site, i.e., newenergytimes.com, isn't listed there, I just checked, the meta blacklist is at meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Spam_blacklist, for convenience. JzG "proposed" and blacklisted lenr-canr.org on en, i.e., here, about simultaneously, December 18. About a half-hour later, as I recall, he blacklisted newenergytimes.com. He didn't log either of these as far as I could see. He did not specifically propose newenergytimes.com, but stated that there might be a problem with it. He didn't list them in the edit summaries where he added them to the blacklist, which made it all harder to find. Then, much later, a few days ago (12 Jan as I recall), and after there was some questioning of the blacklisting, he went to meta and proposed the blacklisting there of lenr-canr.org, and the request was granted. Since lenr-canr.org was now meta blacklisted, the blackisting here was redundant and was quickly removed, but newenergytimes.com remains on the list here. Clear? Any more questions? --Abd (talk) 23:37, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]


    Hello Wikipedia,

    I do not know if I am allowed to post here or not. If this is the wrong place, please forgive me, delete this message and kindly provide some redirection.

    In reference to the folllowing:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bubble_fusion&action=history 21:23, 18 December 2008 JzG (Talk | contribs) (29,045 bytes) (Pruning gratuitous references to fringe website, per WP:BLP we need to be rigorous about sources.)


    It's disturbing to see one particular Wikipedia editor, let alone administrator, censor the work of another Web-based information service. It's hypocritical for JzG to suggest that references to our work at New Energy Times are categorically "fringe" and that whoever links to our research is doing so "gratuitously." Wikipedia is not Encyclopedia Britannica.

    JzG's references to New Energy Times are pejorative and constitute name calling. Wikipedia may have risen quickly in 9 years, but this sort of behavior will not lead to its permanence or help it sustain its dominance.

    Among others, we are reporting on U.S. government (DARPA, ORNL), academic and industry (Babcock and Wilcox) sponsored research. We are reporting on research published in peer-reviewed journals, not MAD magazine for goodness sake. If this is too "fringe" for Wikipedia, that is Wikipedia's loss.

    If our investigations are challenged for their accuracy, state such and show it. If comparable investigations are available elsewhere, provide them. Otherwise, JzG and Wikipedia are abusing their power and the goodwill of numerous volunteers by aggressively and recklessly deleting references to our work put there by good faith editors. Why such fratricide in the Web-space?

    The same day JzG deletes the bubble fusion references of our Web-based work from *his* Web-based work (Wikipedia), he blacklists our Web site without explanation, without attempting any due process.

    This is shameful and abusive. How does JzG explain himself? I don't know. He has failed to respond to my e-mail to discuss. How does the Wikipedia community tolerate this?

    I admit that I am largely ignorant of how Wikipedia works, but I do know that it has a significant level of respect among the public. The behavior of this administrator (JzG) does not enhance the image of Wikipedia and it does not serve the public interest.

    Steven B. Krivit Editor, New Energy Times

    StevenBKrivit (talk) 07:31, 13 January 2009 (UTC) [reply]

    Agreed with Abd...I am a fish out of water here. I apologize for my previous message.
    StevenBKrivit (talk) 03:38, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Well, it's unfortunate that Mr. Krivit wrote so much here, but he's not an experienced Wikipedia editor and doesn't understand the politics, which he would better stay out of, he'll just gum it up. He asks a lot of questions that won't be answered here, or possibly not anywhere, this is Wikipedia, for better and for worse. He has the right to defend his site against blacklisting, and this is a Talk page where Conflict of Interest editors are invited to comment. If he adds references to his site, himself, to articles, that's revertible simply on that basis, because of the COI, but he can ask the assistance of editors who don't have a conflict of interest, and Talk is the place to do that, it is not "spamming" unless it is done so often that it becomes a true nuisance. (In which case he'd be, properly, warned and, if the objectionable behavior continued, he'd be blocked.) The blacklist is properly reserved for linkspam where the burden of individual correction by editing has become too great and warning and blocking doesn't work; this should always be an action taken either with consensus or in the reasonable expectation of consensus, for efficiency. By now, that reasonable expectation isn't reasonable any more, but these things can take time.--Abd (talk) 15:14, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Replying to the query a couple of posts above, it seems the rationale for a different site has been spelled out much more clearly than for this site. There's a separate issue about the separation between editing and admin roles, so let's take this one at a time. What exactly was the problem that brought this domain to the spam blacklist? DurovaCharge! 19:30, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    • Um, we don't typically remove links fomr the blacklist at the request of the site owner. This was being abused (like the lenr-canr site, including advocacy from the site owner, as we see) to promote a non-neutral view of a controversial subject - i.e. fringe advocacy. It does not matter to me if we have zero links because it fails WP:RS and WP:EL or because it fails WP:RS and WP:EL and is blacklisted, the main thing is that we need to firmly end the long-term POV-pushing by the cold fusion advocates. Essentially we are being accused of free energy suppression, a conspiracy theory, when what is actually happening is that we are wrestling content back from a bunch of POV-pushers. Martinphi is banned, Pcarbonn is topic-banned, and I sincerely hope that we will end up with a more credible encyclopaedia as a result. Guy (Help!) 21:06, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Blocking and banning people who hold a minority position and advocate it is highly unlikely to improve the encyclopedia; it's more likely to make it dull and less useful. When I'm researching a topic, I want to know about the minority positions, in an NPOV but relatively complete manner, not just majority views. Cold fusion isn't actually "fringe," there is a persistent minority of scientists who think the possibility is worthy of research, that research is appropriate is actually mainstream, and there is, in my opinion, some considerable reason to suspect that such research might eventually confirm it conclusively. But we are limited in what we can include in articles by reliable source requirements, which, on a topic like this, can take a few years to catch up.
    The view that "POV-pushing" is blockworthy is a very dangerous idea. Incivility, treating Wikipedia as a battleground, edit warring and the use of reverts instead of the negotiation of consensus, all these may be blockworthy if suggestions and warnings don't work. Martinphi was banned, not for POV-pushing, but for the reality or at least the appearance of "outing" an editor with the editor's real name. The most dangerous POV pushers are those who push majority positions, in fact; the minority POV pushers are easy to handle if they violate guidelines and policies regarding editor behavior. Now, what does this have to do with newenergytimes.com? I'll say it: JzG has a bias against cold fusion, he's concluded that it's fringe and that anyone who accepts it is fringe, ipso facto, and what such a person publishes must necessarily be biased and unusable. There was no evidence of linkspamming on behalf of newenergytimes.com; as a magazine focused on research on the topic of low energy nuclear reactions, reporting on that, not publishing original research, it's a valuable resource, whether or not individual references are appropriate. JzG's unlateral blacklisting of the site, apparently to support his own edits that removed links added legitimately by other editors and not in dispute, except by him, and only disputed by bare removal without discussion, was administrative abuse. He's been asked to revert the blacklisting on the grounds of conflict of interest, if nothing else, and he's refused. So ... we will now see if it is legitimate to make "fringe" arguments and RS arguments in blacklisting, if mission creep has overcome the restraints on the blacklists, and if an administrator can protect his own edits to an article by blacklisting. If that's happened, broader community attention will be necessary, I'm afraid. This part of this affair could end quickly, right here. --Abd (talk) 22:45, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • Um, um. The request here isn't from the site owner, it was from Durova, and, obviously, I've joined in it. Are you saying, JzG, that it's appropriate to use the blacklist to enforce content decisions (such as whether or not a particular link is allowed or not?) in the absence of linkspamming? Newenergytimes may or may not be usable, that's an opinion, and seems to be based on a judgment that cold fusion or other topics covered by the article are "fringe science." That's a POV, not a fact, there is substantial evidence that it's a serious field of research, including DOE recommendations that research continue. You are not being accused of free energy suppression by Durova and myself, it's merely been pointed out that you added newenergytimes.com to the blacklist yourself, on your own, without consultation, out of process, without evidence of a level of linkspamming that couldn't be handled by ordinary means. I have no opinion on whether or not links to newenergytimes are appropriate, only an opinion that the blacklist isn't how we suppress the use of a particular site in the absence of linkspamming. As to lenr-canr.org, same story. JzG has been asserting a content position for more than a year that lenr-canr, an archive of documents published elsewhere and which claims, credibly, to have permission from authors and publishers, can't be used, and it doesn't matter to him that editorial consensus was obviously to allow it. Nobody was edit warring to maintain these links, newenergytimes.com had been linked from Martin Fleischmann for a long time as a host for the 1989 U. Utah press release about cold fusion. JzG removed it from that article, and a similarly accepted link to lenr-canr.org, and then went to the spam blacklist immediately to make his edit not revertible, added it without logging it, without listing it in the edit summary, with barely mentioning it as a possible problem in his "proposed listing," which was moot because by the time anyone read it, he'd already listed it himself. JzG has claimed that these links were "linkspam," he really should, then, block or at least warn User:LeadSongDog for linkspamming, since he is the one who added the lenr-canr.org link to the text that ended up in Martin Fleischmann. Except, of course, that LeadSongDog, who is far from affiliated with lenr-canr.org, he's a critic of lenr-canr.org and appears to support the blacklisting, merely added the link as a place to read an otherwise unobtainable on-line for free access (as far as I know) copy of a Fleischmann paper published in China. --Abd (talk) 02:55, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Summary: There was no linkspamming on a scale sufficient to make blacklisting legitimate, if there was any at all. I have seen none. Two things have happened: registered editors in good standing have added links to articles, using newenergytimes.com, and these were not controversial at the time of blacklisting. They were relatively stable. Nobody was warned or blocked over this, not to mention persisting after warning or block as IP editors. No evidence of linkspamming has been presented here. Rather JzG has asserted "advocacy," which apparently refers to Talk page posts, as a problem, when, on the contrary, COI editors are not only required but encouraged to make such edits. In any case, blacklisting which restricts registered and legitimate and non-COI editors from using sources, or simply from discussing them with a link, is not the mission of the blacklist; instead, it was here used outside its mission by an administrator with clear involvement, in promotion of his "anti-fringe" POV, not in pursuit of true NPOV and balance, on the face of it, but of a "side." (I'm not denying good faith, but only failure to recognize and respect conflict of interest.) If this blacklisting is allowed to stand, the overall issue of how the blacklist is being used or abused will have to be addressed. No claim is made as a part of this comment that any particular citation of NET is appropriate, only that editorial process should decide the matter, not administrative fiat. Suggestions are appreciated. --Abd (talk) 19:11, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Hence, my suggestion would here be similar to lenr-carn.org, keep this blacklisted as there obviously are and have been problems with it (some xwiki abuse, not deemed to be reliable). Where there are specific documents which are suitable whitelisting is the way to go. As such, no Declined. --Dirk Beetstra T C 11:58, 20 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    WikiJob.co.uk

    This domain was blacklisted during the debate over having a wikipedia page for WikiJob. The page was allowed (see "WikiJob") and I am now requesting the link to www.WikiJob.co.uk to be re-instated. I do not wish to use this domain to spam, or even link in Wikipedia. I only wish this link to be un-listed because I ahve heard scraper sites use the Wikipedia list of blacklisted domains - and I don't want this to happen.

    Please help - and pleae visit WikiJob.co.uk to see, it's ot a spam site!!

    86.0.222.254 (talk) 20:37, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Here's the answer you got on 5 December. If you have any evidence that scraper sites use the Wikipedia blacklist -- and I can't think why they would -- you should probably present it here. Thanks. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 21:28, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    no Declined. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia - as such many links do not belong here. Equally Wikipedia is not a place to to promote a site. In addition, its a Link normally to be avoided and fails Wikipedias specific inclusion requirements of our External Links policy, Verifiability Policy and Reliable Source guidelines. Additionaly spamming talk pages and Source soliciting is also unwelcome on Wikipedia.--Hu12 (talk) 23:20, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Epilogue I do not wish to use this domain to spam, or even link in Wikipedia. O Rly?. OhNoitsJamie Talk 15:57, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Accounts
    Redsuperted (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · blacklist hits · AbuseLog · what links to user page · count · COIBot · Spamcheck · user page logs · x-wiki · status · Edit filter search · Google · StopForumSpam)
    86.0.221.59 (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • blacklist hits • AbuseLog • what links to user page • COIBot • Spamcheck • count • block log • x-wiki • Edit filter search • WHOIS • RDNS • tracert • robtex.com • StopForumSpam • Google • AboutUs • Project HoneyPot)
    86.0.222.254 (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • blacklist hits • AbuseLog • what links to user page • COIBot • Spamcheck • count • block log • x-wiki • Edit filter search • WHOIS • RDNS • tracert • robtex.com • StopForumSpam • Google • AboutUs • Project HoneyPot)
    86.3.90.180 (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • blacklist hits • AbuseLog • what links to user page • COIBot • Spamcheck • count • block log • x-wiki • Edit filter search • WHOIS • RDNS • tracert • robtex.com • StopForumSpam • Google • AboutUs • Project HoneyPot)
    --Hu12 (talk) 18:54, 20 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    www.associatedcontent.com

    I was trying to paste a link to a relevant storyfollowing link (.../article/196938/breast_feeding_cuts_hiv_risk.html) for reference for this reference desk science question. While I think it would be improper in most cases to link to an AC article as a reference or external link, it seems a bit over-the-top to ban it from talk pages and similar. Since wikipedia has a nofollow tag on external links, AC shouldn't be able to benefit on google rankings in any case. (I've been unable to find a page listing the original justification for the ban) EverGreg (talk) 10:07, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Associatedcontent.com has been (coi-)spammed on many occasions, and most of the contents fails our reliable sources guideline. If you think this specific link merits inclusion, I'd suggest filing a request for whitelisting. --Dirk Beetstra T C 11:24, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]


    Associated Content links
    • Have no editorial oversight (see WP:RS) and articles are essentially self-published
    • Offers its authors financial incentives to increase page views
    • Fails Wikipedia's core content policies:
    no Declined. However,  Defer to Whitelist if a specific link does meet Wikipedias core content policies, as suggested above. thanks--Hu12 (talk) 18:38, 20 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    vuze.com

    This was added to the blacklist on the basis of rather flimsy evidence of spamming (half the anons listed I can't find anything wrong with their edits). The blacklisting is making it difficult to expand the article of this notable subject, and I do not see a great likelihood of excessive spam coming from the domain if the blacklisting is removed. - Mark 04:59, 20 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Until someone has a chance to look into how much copyvio material is hosted/listed there, I'm reluctant to remove it entirely. For the time being, I've made the entry for this domain more specific to the content/user pages.. It may turn out that we move this to XLinkBot in the same way that YouTube and other video sites are listed. --Versageek 05:24, 20 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks, that should do the trick anyway. :) - Mark 06:12, 20 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Here are the original discussion:
    and two follow-ups:
    I suggest checking with Hu12 before removing. My own opinion is that we should not remove from the blacklist but rather whitelist individual URLs on a case-by-case basis, given possible copyright concerns. --A. B. (talk • contribs) 04:38, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Unless there is a specific link to be used, I hold the same opinion as Versageek and A.B. on the lack of evidence showing copyright permission or fair-use disclaimers for the site. Additionaly there is spam abuse evidence, as origionaly reported.--Hu12 (talk) 19:24, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    seabreeze.servegame.com

    I don't even know why it shows this address, because I actually typed the URL above with :4675/index.htm and it complains about being blacklisted, it even removed the :4675/index.htm, doesn't wikipedia handle port from the URL ?? Or just remove this address from the blacklist, it's a real website for a real BBS, go see for yourself, thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zurd (talk • contribs) 00:37, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Every external link containing "servegame" is blocked at meta wiki. So you may request whitelisting her at en-wiki, but such a request would be declined, because seabreeze.servegame.com:4675/index.htm does not seem to satisfy WP:EL.
    So no Declined. -- seth (talk) 16:03, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    I didn't find servegame as being blacklisted, both in local and global blacklist, but anyway, I put the address on the webpage by removing the http:// and it works fine ;)
    so you can delete this request, thanks --Zurd (talk) 15:49, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    VBS.tv

    I recently started working at VBS.tv, an online, video-based extension of Vice Magazine. Apparently, a former Vice employee edited entries to the point of being abusive and links to VBS material have been blacklisted. Where can I locate the details of the blacklisting, and what can be done to have VBS removed from it? The individual involved is no longer with the company. Of course, if linking is allowed, we would be happy to request an admin add relevant links and refrain from doing so ourselves. I believe much of our content would meet Wikipedia standards and be useful, legitimate links. Our interview with the tailor that made the bullet-resistant suit President Barack Obama wore to his inauguration is one such example. Thank you. CorridorX (talk) 20:50, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    For reference for those reviewing, here is the LinkSummary and prior discussions on vbs.tv:
    --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 21:27, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Evidence of abuse
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    132.170.34.38 (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • blacklist hits • AbuseLog • what links to user page • COIBot • Spamcheck • count • block log • x-wiki • Edit filter search • WHOIS • RDNS • tracert • robtex.com • StopForumSpam • Google • AboutUs • Project HoneyPot)
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    Cross Wiki spam Accounts
    es:Special:Contributions/Melanieh
    de:Special:Contributions/Vicegermany
    de:Special:Contributions/MaiTaiMünchen
    de:Special:Contributions/Pepples
    de:Special:Contributions/84.191.237.45
    de:Special:Contributions/87.187.85.203
    de:Special:Contributions/87.187.101.45
    fr:Special:Contributions/Maryone
    en:Special:Contributions/201.210.238.52
    de:Special:Contributions/Buchumhang
    de:Special:Contributions/213.39.149.77
    de:Special:Contributions/MaiTaiMünchen
    fr:Special:Contributions/90.39.216.247
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    redirect site
    We do not remove domains from the spam blacklist in response to site-owners' or employee's requests. Instead, we de-blacklist sites when trusted, high-volume editors request the use of blacklisted links because of their encyclopedic value in support of our encyclopedia pages. If such an editor asks to use your blacklisted links, I'm sure the request will be carefully considered. no Declined--Hu12 (talk) 21:34, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    rythm.galatta.com/community/blog_entry.php?user=randorguy&blogentry_id=5544

    I am planning to write an article on the sensational Lakshmikanthan Murder Case and I am using this blog by eminent film historian Randor Guy as my source. But the site appears to be blacklisted and I am not able to add this link to the list of references. Could you please remove this URL from the blacklist so that I could add it. Thanks-RavichandarMy coffee shop 19:24, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    If a specific link is needed as a citation... Defer to Whitelist --Hu12 (talk) 23:59, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    filmtaka.com

    My website www.filmtaka.com is now blacklisted, i add some pages of my website in wikipedia, when i add my website link in wikipedia, i got a message that my external link will be deleted by regex rule(s): \bfilmtaka\.com\b . the page of my website contain the movie trailer. so how can my website violate the terms of wikipedia. please also tell me how can my website URL will include regex rule. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Film17 (talk • contribs) 07:53, 26 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    I see that you used at least three different accounts to add your links and you were repeatedly warned to stop:
    Had you heeded these warnings, your domains would not be blacklisted.
    Typically, we do not remove domains from the spam blacklist in response to site-owners' requests. Instead, we de-blacklist sites when trusted, high-volume editors request the use of blacklisted links because of their encyclopaedic value in support of our encyclopaedia pages. If such an editor asks to use your links, I'm sure the request will be carefully considered and your links may well be removed.
    Unlike Wikipedia, DMOZ is a web directory specifically designed to categorize and list all Internet sites; if you've not already gotten your sites listed there, I encourage you to do so -- it's a more appropriate venue for your links than our wikis. Their web address: http://www.dmoz.org/.
    Should you find yourself penalized in any search engine rankings and you believe that to be a result of blacklisting here, you should deal directly with the search engine's staff. We do not have any arrangements with any of the search engine companies; if they're using our blacklist it's purely on their own initiative.
    no Declined --A. B. (talk • contribs) 15:11, 26 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Troubleshooting and problems

    Discussion

    Malicious sites

    Can a site be blacklisted for being malicious? prowrestling.com is one, a Google test shows 6.97% of the pages on the site resulted in malicious content being downloaded to the users computer without their consent. My own personal experience with the site was the same, I would have to run my McAfee security sweep after visiting the site due to the problems the site would cause. Here is the Google report [28]. I have brought this up at the wrestling project and so far they seem to agree about not using this site. TJ Spyke 02:36, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Blacklist logging

    Full Instructions for Admins


    Quick Reference

    For Spam reports or requests originating from this page, use template {{/request|0#section_name}}

    • {{/request|213416274#Section_name}}
    • Insert the oldid 213416274 a hash "#" and the Section_name (Underscoring_spaces_where_applicable):
    • Use within the entry log here.

    For Spam reports or requests originating from Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Spam use template {{WPSPAM|0#section_name}}

    • {{WPSPAM|182725895#Section_name}}
    • Insert the oldid 182725895 a hash "#" and the Section_name (Underscoring_spaces_where_applicable):
    • Use within the entry log here.

    Have added a supplement, a general " how-to of sorts. --Hu12 (talk) 10:31, 23 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Note: if you do not log your entries it may be removed if someone appeals and no valid reasons can be found.

    Addition to the COIBot reports

    The lower list in the COIBot reports now have after each link four numbers between brackets (e.g. "www.example.com (0, 0, 0, 0)"):

    1. first number, how many links did this user add (is the same after each link)
    2. second number, how many times did this link get added to wikipedia (for as far as the linkwatcher database goes back)
    3. third number, how many times did this user add this link
    4. fourth number, to how many different wikipedia did this user add this link.

    If the third number or the fourth number are high with respect to the first or the second, then that means that the user has at least a preference for using that link. Be careful with other statistics from these numbers (e.g. good user do add a lot of links). If there are more statistics that would be useful, please notify me, and I will have a look if I can get the info out of the database and report it. The bots are running on a new database, Eagle 101 is working on transferring the old data into this database so it becomes more reliable.

    For those with access to IRC, there this data is available in real time. --Dirk Beetstra T C 10:41, 26 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    poking COIBot

    I notice that sometimes people who are not active on IRC need some link reports. Admins here can now add {{LinkSummary|domain}} to User:COIBot/Poke, when COIBot picks up the edit to that page (and it should), it will put the domains into its reporting queue (high priority, which is, only behind waiting XWiki reports) and create a report on the link(s). The first report should be saved within about 5 minutes, if it takes longer than 15 minutes there is probably something wrong, and it may be useful to add the template with the link again (it reads the added part of the diffs (the right column)), or poke me or another person who is active on IRC personally. Hope this is of help. --Dirk Beetstra T C (en: U, T) 12:46, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    P.S. Please don't overuse this function, everything still needs to be saved .. --Dirk Beetstra T C 12:54, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    It had some startup problems, but all seems to work fine now. --Dirk Beetstra T C 17:27, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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