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    Interaction ban

    How does one go about requesting an interaction ban between themselves and another user? No guesses or assumptions please. Would appreciate reply from an admin or senior editor with actual policies or guidance. Thanks - thewolfchild 02:16, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Answers here usually come from editors that are somewhat experienced with Wikipedia, I don't understand what types of answers you're specifically trying to avoid. I suggest you post on WP:ANB, where admins are far more likely to lurk. Scarce2 (talk) 03:09, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    I assume input from those without the necessary 24,000 edits, automated or otherwise, is also welcome? Guidance on how bans are discussed and implemented is at WP:CBAN and the paragraph immediately above it. Community bans may be requested either at WP:AN or WP:ANI, depending on the previous history. Here, for example, is an archived community ban request discussion from ANI, and here's one that was discussed at AN. This talk page thread directly addresses the question of selecting which of the two venues to post such a request. Hope this helps. - Karenjc (talk) 10:45, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    All bans are "imposed by community consensus, by the Arbitration Committee or, in certain topic areas, by administrators". Although briefly discussed at WP:IBAN, formal requests for interaction bans are made at AN or ANI, ensuring that one provides appropriate proof as to why it needs to be a 2-way ban, in lieu of 1-way. Note the exceptions to IBAN's reach, as per the WP:BAN page as a whole ES&L 21:44, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Citing Personal Correspondence?

    Can personal correspondence, such as letters of recommendation, be cited on Wikipedia if an image of it has been scanned and uploaded to the internet? — Preceding unsigned comment added by BryantL90 (talk • contribs) 03:05, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Generally no, see WP:OR. Scarce2 (talk) 03:13, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    The letter would need to have been published by a reliable source, not simply posted to an arbitrary web page. Basically the letter should be published in a mainstream news source, magazine, journal or a book from a reputable publisher. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 11:18, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Multiple Personal Sandboxes?

    Hi,

    New to editing wikipedia. I want to work on multiple projects at a time, all the while making the changes in my sandbox. Is it possible to have multiple sandboxes, each displaying a different article that I've worked on?

    Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zaidis11 (talk • contribs) 04:10, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    You can make as many subpages of your username as you like, using the structure User:Zaidis11/Whatever you want the page to be named. They will all be visible as links at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/User:Zaidis11/ . Here is a list of my subpages for instance: link. - Purplewowies (talk) 04:28, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    However, I would advise against using a sandbox for editing existing articles (they're fine for developing new articles). When you copy your edited text back you risk inadvertently throwing away anybody else's change, or else have a difficult task to merge your changes and theirs. And it can also cause difficulty in attributions, which Wikipedia regards as important. Better, usually, to work on the live article, but do it bit by bit if possible, rather than a huge single change. --ColinFine (talk) 14:02, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Hateful Content on a Page

    Hello,

    I just noticed that someone posted hateful information on the Junipero Serra High School (Gardena CA) page. The content is totally false and inappropriate. Please remove this listing until someone from the school can provide factual information.

    Thank You,

    Tony Oreabean Serra Alumni 1993 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.117.238.192 (talk) 04:49, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Done. Rwessel (talk) 05:03, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    "Somebody from the school" is welcome to suggest factual improvements to the article on its talk page, but they are strongly discouraged from editing the article itself because of their conflict of interest. - Karenjc (talk) 10:12, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Sometimes an editor requests that an article be "taken down" or "removed" because it has been vandalized. That is not the way that Wikipedia works. Since anyone can edit Wikipedia, vandalism can be reverted. There is an occasional myth among inexperienced editors that an article that "contains hateful information" or "contains errors" should be "taken down" by the "person in charge" until it can be fixed. Fix it, or ask someone to fix it on the talk page. Robert McClenon (talk) 11:41, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    As the IP committing the vandalism geolocates to Pico Rivera - about 15 miles from the school - this is probably inter-school rivalry, or a disaffected pupil. Arjayay (talk) 14:35, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    And it's partly my fault for my not-quite correct comment after removing the vandalism. I did vaguely see the "taken down" request when I saw the initial posting, but by the time I got done fixing it, I had lost that bit and I tossed a generic "done" in here. At least "vandalism removed" would be been clearer. Rwessel (talk) 06:25, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Edits for the page on the Economy of Cyprus

    Dear Sir/Madam,

    I am Anita Orphanidou and the Marketing Communications Officer of the Cyprus Investment Promotion Agency. It has come to our attention that the following page Economy of Cyprus features the following text:

    The 2012–13 Cypriot financial crisis, part of the wider Eurozone crisis, has dominated the country's economic affairs in recent times. In March 2013, the Cypriot government reached an agreement with its Eurogroup partners to split the country's second biggest bank, the Cyprus Popular Bank (also known as Laiki Bank), into a "bad" bank which would be wound down over time and a "good" bank which would be absorbed by the larger Bank of Cyprus. In return for a €10 billion bailout from the European Commission, the European Central Bank and the International Monetary Fund, the Cypriot government would be required to impose a significant haircut on uninsured deposits, a large proportion of which were held by wealthy Russians who used Cyprus as a tax haven. Insured deposits of €100,000 or less would not be affected

    We would like to note that Cyprus is not a tax heaven destination but rather an EU country with a strong business and financial center. Plus, the haircut affected more than wealthy Russians.

    We kindly ask you to relook at the text and revise if possible.

    Thank you and let me know if you have questions. I can be reached at: XXX

    Regards,

    Anita Orphanidou — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.7.194.26 (talk) 05:59, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    I've removed your email address for your privacy. As the tax haven assertion was not explicitly made by the quoted sources, I've deleted it. Rojomoke (talk) 06:26, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    And I have restored it, with a reference. Further references can easily be found.[1] Maproom (talk) 07:43, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    To clarify, for Anita Orphanidou: if reliable sources say something, and the consensus among Wikipedia editors is that the matter is important enough to appear in an article) then it will appear in the article, whether the subject would like it to be there or not. You are welcome to suggest changes to the article on its talk page, Talk:Economy of Cyprus, but it is up to other editors to decide how far your suggestions should be incorporated into the article. --ColinFine (talk) 14:08, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    1. ^ "Cyprus Rescue: The Destruction of a Tax Haven". Time. 25 March 2013. Retrieved 24 October 2013.

    Linguistic issues

    Where can I address linguistic issues? I am not sure if a phrase is correctly formulated in English language and I need a confirmation. Thanks in advance for the answer 79.117.173.188 (talk) 07:34, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    You could try the Wikipedia:Reference desk/Language. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:38, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks a lot 79.117.173.188 (talk) 07:41, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Quote request

    Can you please tell me how much time has to pass before removing a text followed by and unanswered "Request quotation" template. I assume that we can't wait forever for a quote to be given 79.117.173.188 (talk) 07:41, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Have you tried to source it?
    If the content violates WP:BLP immediate removal is ALWAYS appropriate.
    Otherwise, how busy is the page and how potentially valid is the uncited statement? If the page is busy with many active editors and yet no one has addressed the tag, a month would be long enough, ( and if the content was meaningful, one of them would be able to notice the removal and provide a source to restore the content). Although it would be better form to post a note on the talk page about your concerns and wait a few additional days.
    On low activity articles waiting 6-9 months is generally considered appropriate grace period.
    The more trivial, off topic, WP:NPOV violating or unlikely to be true the unsourced statement is, the less time you need to wait.-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 11:33, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    The template in question is the one from the lead of Kingdom of Hungary 79.117.161.193 (talk) 12:03, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    oh, that is very different. Where a full source citation has been made and what you are requesting is merely a courtesy translation, then it should stay. WP:NOENG we dont require sources to be in English. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 12:36, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Also, per WP:LEADCITE, the lead section of non-controversial subjects is less likely to be challenged and less likely to require a source since leads are usually written at a greater level of generality than the body. If the "Kingdom of Hungary was ... at various points ... regarded as one of the cultural centers of Europe" helps define the topic and/or summarize the body of the article with appropriate weight, then [when?] and [need quotation to verify] requests should be removed from the lead of Kingdom of Hungary. If it does not help define the topic and/or summarize the body of the article with appropriate weight, then the text itself should not be in the lead and its removal should be discuss on the article talk page. Either way, I think the the [when?] and [need quotation to verify] requests should be removed from the article lead and, if needed, posted in the article body. -- Jreferee (talk) 15:42, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Are you saying that a quote is not necessary? How do we know that the text from the source is not denaturated?
    That idea is not expanded in the article. The only reference is the one existing in the lead. Consequently, I think we can talk about undue weight 79.117.168.27 (talk) 15:49, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    What is Talk?

    Can you explain the meaning and usage of function Talk in Wikipedia? Sincerely, Mirek — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.250.187.186 (talk) 12:11, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Every article has an associated Talk page where the editors can collaborate to improve the content of that article. For the article Dog, it is Talk:Dog. see WP:TPG for how a talk page is to be used.-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 12:40, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Wikilinks

    Is there a guide about when to use them? I found at Kingdom_of_Hungary#Hunyadi_family links to Matthias Corvinus article in the "Main articles" template, in the paragraph and in photo descriptions (total: 3 times). Isn't 1 time enough? 79.117.161.193 (talk) 12:19, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    WP:REPEATLINK notes "Generally, a link should appear only once in an article, but if helpful for readers, links may be repeated in infoboxes, tables, image captions, footnotes, and at the first occurrence after the lead." -- Jreferee (talk) 13:34, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Heading

    My life is back!!! After 8 years of marriage, my husband left me and left me with our three kids. I felt like my life was about to end, and was falling apart. I contacted you and after I explained you my problem, you sent me a Save My Marriage Spell. In just weeks, my husband came back to us. We solved our issues, and we are even happier than before. Thanks to DR AGU.”contact the spell caster on <redacted>

    I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 6 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 21:26, 28 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Organization Chart

    What is the process/format for creating an organization chart in Wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 214.3.138.234 (talk) 12:35, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    There's Wikipedia:Graphs and charts and Wikipedia:Family trees (I'm assuming that the text in the Family trees can be revised to reflect an organization). I think it depends on how you want the organization chart to appear. -- Jreferee (talk) 12:59, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    The Scouting project uses {{chart}} for history where a number of entities have merged. See Bay-Lakes Council for example. --  Gadget850 talk 18:23, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Copyright

    Dear Sir,

    Myself Vishnu Ghimire and regarding the contents which I wrote about Tara Ghimire .

    The site http://www.pranathashram.org/ belongs to Tara Ghimire and I am the web admin for same. The content about Tara Ghimire is written entirely by myself and no copyrights has been violated.

    The link for the content is: http://www.pranathashram.org/about/staff/tara-gurumaa


    Please see below link about web admin: http://www.pranathashram.org/about/staff-directory

    Thank you.

    --Ghimirevishnu (talk) 13:06, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    You did not state a request. However, Wikipedia articles typically are footnoted summaries of Wikipedia reliable sources (think newspapers, magazines, books, etc.) that are independent of the topic. The information on Tara Ghimire[1] is not footnoted. Also, if the information at tara-gurumaa is a summary of your personal knowledge of her and/or a summary of sources that were published by Tara Ghimire, the Prannath Ashram, or someone else who is not independent of the Tara Ghimire topic, then it may not be viable information for a Wikipedia article on Tara Ghimire. Also see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tara Ghimire. -- Jreferee (talk) 13:25, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    There also is a problem with how her name is presented. The pranathashram.org website shows her name as Tara Gurumaa, Tara Guruma, Tara Ghimire, and Guruaama Tara Ghimire. This makes it very difficult for Wikipedia editors to find independent source information on her from which to write the biography. I looked for independent information on Prannath Ashram, Prannath Anath Sewa Ashram, Shree Prannath Anath Sewa Ashram, and Shree Prannath Anath Sewa Ashram - Devghat, but did not find any. Again, without knowing what name the media uses to write about the orphanage for children who have lost their parents, it is very difficult to find source information on the topic. Also, if the source material is not in English, it will be hard for English Wikipedia editors to find the information. You may want to ask editors at Nepal Bhasa Wikipedia to help you develop Wikipedia articles on Tara Gurumaa and the orphanage and that Nepal Bhasa Wikipedia then can be brought into English Wikipedia via a request at Wikipedia:Translation. -- Jreferee (talk) 14:00, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    First off, text copied from another source is highly unlikely to conform to Wikipedia's policies. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and as such it is required that the text be neutral (dispassionate) and formal in tone. Text from a self-published source tends to be non-neutral and promotional. Thus even if it is your own text, it is still unacceptable. Wikipedia is not a PR platform, a brochure, or a means to gain publicity.
    Secondly, like Jreferee said, we need the sources to be reliable. Especially for a biography of a living person. As such, while primary sources (sources published by the subject or people closely related to the subject) are acceptable in certain uncontroversial cases, we do still need secondary sources (sources independent of the subject) to confirm that her account is true and most importantly to confirm that she is notable enough to deserve a page in Wikipedia. If you can not prove notability, I'm afraid the page will be deleted.-- OBSIDIAN†SOUL 13:34, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    An additional point is that even if the material previously published on another website were sufficiently neutral to be used, it couldn't be used without the copyright problem being addressed through the processes for donating copyrighted material; it isn't enough for you to state here that no copyright has been violated. There are links to that process, & other useful links, on Tara ghimire. - David Biddulph (talk) 14:07, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Article star rating feedback system where is it ?

    For about 2 years up to about last January we had a useful star rating feedback system at the bottom of every article. Since about January it has vanished. I understand that in theory it is to be replaced by a better feedback system but there is no sign of this and anyway i cant see any excuse for having nothing for about the last 9 months, the old system although imperfect was useful. --Penbat (talk) 15:07, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    See Wikipedia:Article Feedback Tool, which links to this RfC, which noted on 28 February 2013, "No to full roll-out but there is a large enough minority to support continued experimentation if the foundation wants to do that." -- Jreferee (talk) 15:28, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    For what it's worth, I'm glad it's gone. All we need is another toy for goofy kids to play with. You know, you can't be sure whether people are expressing their true opinion, if they even have one, when they rate an article. Good riddance, I say. Kelisi (talk) 16:29, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    The correct Bulembu description

    Hi

    Can you please assist on searching of "Bulembu". The description is not complete your only naming a town but not explaining what/who is "Bulembu".

    Im the grandchild of the "bulembu" clan.One of my ancestors ended up in swaziland in the mines that is why they have a town that is called Bulembu.

    Can you please assist me by telling me where can i submiitt the correct descrioption what/who is "bulembu" cause we are born with certain gifts that you passed on to your children.We are not just called "bulembu" we are Bulembu for a reason, "bulembu is the gift.

    I need assistance where can i submitt the correct description.

    Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thobeka Bulembu (talk • contribs) 16:26, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    You should post on Talk:Bulembu. It would be very helpful if you can cite a published reliable source that confirms your statements. DES (talk) 17:15, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    I looked but could not find where the town name Bulembu came from. I posted the question at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities. -- Jreferee (talk) 04:46, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    This seems unlikely. Bulembu means "spider web" according to our article, and there is no evidence of it having another meaning. I haven't studied Swati, but the same word (ubulembu) exists in the very closely Zulu, where it means spider web, and there's no word for gift that seems similar. It sounds like someone deciding "the spider web clan" is unglamourous, and creating a nicer backstory. Keep in mind I cannot, however, prove a negative. μηδείς (talk) 21:48, 26 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Copyright question

    While footling about on the internet I came across [2]. I'm here interested the lower left image. Because I very recently found [3], which seems to be the same image. Point is, the latter website says that rights to the image belong to Airbus: surely if the image has been previously published before a certain date this image is in the public domain?? (the website has a number of images which are described as rights expired)TheLongTone (talk) 16:33, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    For items published in the US by US nationals the date is 1923. For items published elsewhere the rules vary by country. One would need to know who took the photo or who employed the photographer to be able to determine its copyright status. But there are many invalid copyright claims to old images and text on the web. DES (talk) 16:45, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Published in the UK. The photo was taken by for the Bristol & Colonial Aircraft Company, and rights have ended up with Airbus. I've misunderstood the PD-1923 tag, I took it to mean that if the image had been made freely available in the US, ie including publications originating outside the US but likely to have been available there, as would have been the case with Flight. The second website is operated by a local government body, so is unlikely to be trying to pull a fast one.TheLongTone (talk) 16:58, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    The UK uses a "Life of the author plus 70 years" standard, but I don't know their standard on "works made fore hire" that is where the creator (photographer here) was an employee acting within the job, and so the company is considered the "author" for copyright purposes. The US has a 99 year term for such cases for current works, but did not apply this retroactively. The UK, like many other countries, but unlike the US, retroactively extended or restored copyright when they amended their law to adopt the Life+ terms. Under the Uruguay Round Agreements Act the US honors such adjustments and extends copyright to items that were free in the US but not in their source countries on January 1, 1996 as if they had not fallen into the public domain. It does not simply adopt the other country's term, but applies a modified US term. This can apply to works published in the US where one of the authors was a non-US national.
    It isn't so much places "trying to pull a fast one" as people being careless with the rather complex rules about copyright, although dishonest claims do occur. DES (talk) 17:13, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    >Bad interwiki links

    The en:WP article Horbach, Bad Kreuznach is mislinked to the de:WP article "Horbach (Pfalz)", when it should be linked to the de:WP article "Horbach (bei Simmertal)". It is apparently a confusion of two places not too far from each other named Horbach. The facility at WikiData won't let me make the adjustment. Can someone tell me how I avoid the error message "An error occurred while trying to perform save and because of this, your changes could not be completed.", or make the adjustment for me? Thanks. Kelisi (talk) 16:38, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    The problem seems to be that Wikidata has two pages—Q1023864 and Q705187—for the same place. The links at Q1023864 (a page which also has the wrong coordinates) need to be merged to Q705187, and then Q1023864 needs to be deleted. I'm not familiar enough with the procedures at Wikidata to do that myself; hopefully, someone will come along here who is. Deor (talk) 19:40, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    (edit conflict) The issue seems to be that the de version of the article is in fact already linked to a WikiData:Q705187, and it can't be linked to more than one place. The WikiData entry on which the en version is listed needs to be merged with 705187, so I've gone ahead and done that.  drewmunn  talk  19:44, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    New formatting of "IP editors"?

    I'm returning to Wikipedia after a years-long layoff, and I've been seeing more and more anon accounts with a "name" like 2602:304:AAB5:659:8125:B46A:37E:57B5. Is this some new form of IP formatting (IPV6, maybe?) or a MAC address? The first time I saw one in an article history I thought some-one'd picked the worst username in history. --Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 17:17, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Its the format of the newer IPv6. Werieth (talk) 17:19, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks. Dang, it's ungainly, though. --Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 17:28, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    I agree that they are ungainly looking, much longer than IPv4 addresses.. Maybe the ugliness of IPv6 addresses could be an incentive to anonymous editors on networks that have upgraded to IPv6 to register. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:10, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    I believe the software used to denote the IPv6 addresses. - Purplewowies (talk) 00:13, 26 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    SOROTI UNIVERSITY

    DEAR Wikipedia

    this is to request you to update information on Soroti University. Please see the official website at www.sun.ac.ug

    James Gregory Okello academic Registrar — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.202.240.2 (talk) 18:19, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    I would advise you to post on Talk:Soroti University with specific changes or corrections that should be made, and specific sources for them. Independent reliable sources would be nice, but for uncontroversial facts primary sources are OK. DES (talk) 18:39, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    I added some information to the article. -- Jreferee (talk) 04:48, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Creating an article 2

    I'd like to write an original article for Wikipediai. I tried to make a few starts, but the instructions that I could find on the Wikipedia website seemed extremely complicated. Is it really that hard? Can someone explain the process to me? Mqodm2 (talk) 19:01, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Take a look at WP:YFA and consider using the articles for creation process.--ukexpat (talk) 19:25, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    It is somewhat involved, but if you want to get something posted to where others can improve on it:
    1. Gather all the independent reliable sources about your topic that you want to summarize into one article. Don't proceed until this step is done. Avoid websites and press releases for now. Try just using newspaper articles, magazine articles, and books to source your article.
    2. Create a Template:Citation for each source.
    3. This writing the body of the article step depends on the topic. If its a biography, basically summarize the sources chronologically. There is more to it, but that is a start. If it is some other type of article - corporation, product, movie, school, etc., you can check out a few Wikipedia:Featured articles in that area to see how the articled may be structured. As you write each sentence, add one of the Template:Citation to the end of the sentence.
    4. Write the WP:LEAD of the article from what you wrote for the article body.
    5. Add things like an infobox, see also section, reference section, external links section, and categories.
    6. If you do the above, you should have enough of an article ready to post.
    7. Create the article talk page by adding appropriate WikiProject banners. You can get an idea of which ones to use from WikiProject banners posted on the talk pages of the links in the article you just wrote.
    The only real way to figure this out is to just try it. Once you get a few articles under your belt, you have a general idea of what to do. If you have a particular topic in mind and would like some help, let me know. -- Jreferee (talk) 03:43, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    It is not nearly as hard as ukexpat makes it seem. For instance, you don't need to know anything about templates. Maproom (talk) 07:23, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Where did I say that?--ukexpat (talk) 12:49, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    What does a proper sandbox look like

    I am currently working on two articles in need of updating [[4]] and [[5]] but I'm worried that I do not know what the proper formatting of updating an article in my sandbox should look like. Could someone please help me out?

    Natliout93 (talk) 19:13, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Actually you should never work in a sandbox if the article already exists. You need to edit the article directly. You can discuss your proposed edits on the article talk pages if you would like input from others before changing the "live" article. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 19:24, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    The only exception I'd suggest to that is when an article is essentially being rewritten entirely. That way, other editors can be invited to contribute or discuss the new version, and the content can be moved (an actual page move rather than a cut-and-copy) to the target article when it's ready.  drewmunn  talk  19:28, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    No, not even then - moving a new version over an old version loses the history and attribution of everything that existed before the move. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 19:36, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Good point, although I've always assumed it to be covered by "It is an article that has been created as a subpage of a Wikipedian's user or user talk space for development purposes and it is ready to be posted to the mainspace". How would you suggest rewrites are undertaken (I'm thinking those especially where there's not enough time in one day to make the content ready for inclusion, and not putting it somewhere would mean losing it)? I suppose an alternative would be offline (in TextEdit or the likes), but then it wouldn't be open to collaboration.  drewmunn  talk  19:49, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    If the rewrite is equivalent to a "delete and start over" then a sandbox may be used. A "draft" page is often used with the draft text being inserted into the actual article in a single edit. This is OK if there is only one editor who edits the draft but takes suggestions from others, or if the draft page is preserved for attribution (with a note on the talk page), or if a history merge is done. In a number of cases a draft page is used for convenience and no one worries about the loss of attribution for the detailed edits on the draft. Technically a copyvio, but if none of the editors of the draft care, it may not matter much. I've seen it done several times. DES (talk) 20:12, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Cheers, that clears things up.  drewmunn  talk  21:11, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Not showing up in category

    I created a page about a Swedish architect and added it to the appropriate category for that, but it can't be seen in the list there. Shouldn't it be? I have tried to reload the page. Please answer at Category talk:Swedish architects. Boot Blues (talk) 19:37, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Now, that's strange. Now he is there! Boot Blues (talk) 19:38, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Display of category membership can run behind. DES (talk) 20:16, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    medication and low blood pressure

    For several weeks I have had low blood pressure example 96/50 or less and am concerned the medication I am taking for mental health issues may be a possible reason for this. Need advice. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.40.159.119 (talk) 19:41, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Wikipedia does not respond to requests for medical advice. Seek such advice from a medical professional. AndyTheGrump (talk) 19:44, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Can this new category be created?

    Kind of "Inductees of the Canada's Walk of Fame" or something like that. Someone of English-native language can give me a better grammar for such a category? Thank you. Japanesehelper (talk) 23:56, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    There is List of inductees of Canada's Walk of Fame. A category could be something like Category:Canada's Walk of Fame inductees similar to Category:Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductees. However, List of stars on the Hollywood Walk of Fame does not have an associated category, so there may be no need for a Category:Canada's Walk of Fame inductees. -- Jreferee (talk) 03:18, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    October 25

    Sappi Fine Paper

    Update for the SAPPI article; In 1995 SAPPI purchased 4 mills from SD Warren . Muskegon, Mich; Mobile, Ala; Somerset, Maine and Westbrook, Maine. In 2002 SAPPI purchased the Cloquet, Minnesota pulp and paper mill from Potlatch Corp.

    I worked for Potlatch, Sappi for 38 years. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.7.235.66 (talk) 00:06, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Firstly please post this information to the Sappi talk page, and second, even if you worked for them, your information needs to be verifiable with a reliable source. If you have one for this info then post it on the previously mentioned talk page :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Samwalton9 (talk • contribs) 00:14, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Used a wrong user name while creating account on wikipedia.

    Hello All

    I was trying to create a company profile in Wikipedia. Using sign-up option. However, I was supposed to choose a user nsame related to the company name. But mistakenly I have used a wrong user name. That is what showing in the profile url. (UserPage-User:Digitalgroupinc)

    Now after exploring on wiki I got a redirect option which I have used to redirect the page on the right user name. But I am not able to find it.

    Please let me know. If the user name in the profile url is the same what we use in the user name at the time of sign-up.

    Also, how can i check the redirect.

    UserPage- User:Digitalgroupinc Redirected Page - The Digital Group Inc

    How can I use the Redirected page and abort the User page for users. Nothing has been edited yet in the page. I am looking out to fix this and start creating the content as per the Wikipedia guidelines.

    Many Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Digitalgroupinc (talk • contribs) 09:40, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Before going any further please read Wikipedia's policy on conflict of interest and Wikipedia's user name policy.
    You should not be creating a page about any company you work for, or are otherwise connected to, as you cannot do this from a Neutral point of view.
    Furthermore, as your username contravenes the user name policy, it will probably be blocked shortly. Arjayay (talk) 09:53, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Wikipedia does not contain profiles. It contains articles. The difference is subtle, but important. --ColinFine (talk) 16:55, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    largest malls in india

    A NEW MALL HAS OPNED IN ALIGARH(U.P.),INDIA 3LAK SQ FT ADD THAT IN YOUR LIST ALSO PLEASE

    FOR MORE DETAIL http://www.franchiseindia.com/property/great-value-mall.php — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joyc97 (talk • contribs) 11:21, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Requested articles is thataway.....---> WP:RA.--ukexpat (talk) 12:50, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    I think Joyc97 wants it added to List of shopping malls in India, but as they have already made 26 edits, I'm not sure why they have asked here - although I've deleted a couple of Indian real estate adverts from this page recently. The reference is to the letting agents particulars - a primary source - I don't know if there are any WP:RSs available. Arjayay (talk) 13:08, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    It may be added to the list if we have, or could have, an article about it. That in turn depends on whether it is notable in Wikipedia's sense, i.e. whether several reliable sources (such as major newspapers) have yet written about it. If it is only mentioned on agents' websites, directories etc., then it is not (yet) notable. --ColinFine (talk) 16:58, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    ColinFine - my impression of List of shopping malls in India is that it largely sourced to the shopping mall websites themselves such the list is mostly complete. By not limiting the list to independent, reliable sources, Wikipedia is creating pressure on developers of new shopping malls in India, such as the Great Value Mall, to have a presence in Wikipedia's List of shopping malls in India article. We probably should do something about this. -- Jreferee (talk) 19:27, 26 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Searching within a category

    Dear editors: I wanted to find articles in the Afc that are about football. I typed this search: Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/football and chose "containing...". Here is the result: 4443 entries. This includes old, declined entries as well as draft articles that haven't yet been submitted and redirects to accepted articles. I would like to narrow the search so that it only includes pending submissions (:Category:Pending AfC submissions). I tried adding this in the search box, but it searches for "pending" and "submissions" in the text instead. What should I do? —Anne Delong (talk) 15:53, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Hi Anne Delong - Microsoft excel has a Home>Conditional formatting>Highlight cell rules>Duplicate values options that highlights identical text in a column. If you added the names of each of the 4443 entries to a first column and, below that, add the names of each of the entries at Category:Pending AfC submissions and then select highlight duplicate values for the column, the highlighted Category:Pending AfC submissions entries would be the ones you are looking for. Now, before you think, "this guy's banjo is really out of tune," another option is to post a request at Wikipedia:Bot requests to see if one of the bot developers will run a search for you that will give you the results you are looking for. -- Jreferee (talk) 14:58, 26 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Dear Jreferee: Much as I enjoy complex spreadsheet operations and Microsoft products in general, I was hoping for a preprepared onWiki solution, which could be posted on a Wikiproject page, and which could easily be clicked on by members to see if any of the current Afc submissions are about their area of interest. A manual solution won't work, because the contents of the "Pending submissions" category change from minute to minute. Your answer tells me that the search engine likely won't do what I want, so I will move my request to VPT. Thanks! —Anne Delong (talk) 15:36, 26 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, the Wikipedia:Bot requests could work for one search, but not for an ongoing search. Hopefully, VPT will have an answer. -- Jreferee (talk) 16:06, 26 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    @Anne Delong: I would suggest you try the incategory parameter within your search, but unfortunately categories created by templates aren't findable using such a search approach. (In general, see Help:Searching.) I suggest you try using a Google search - specifically site:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation football If you do that, you'll get one result, plus this message: "In order to show you the most relevant results, we have omitted some entries very similar to the 1 already displayed. If you like, you can repeat the search with the omitted results included." Click on the link "repeat the search with the omitted results included", and you'll get what looks to me like what you're looking for.
    If that doesn't do it for you, then yes, WP:VPT is almost definitely the best place to ask (again). -- John Broughton (♫♫) 23:52, 26 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks, John Broughton, I thought of a Google search, but unfortunately, since pages in Articles for creation aren't ready for the encyclopedia yet, they all have templates with NOINDEX in them to prevent Google from picking them up. I have left a message at VPT. —Anne Delong (talk) 00:04, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    denada versus De Nada

    Ola. I don't contribute much or often but I wanted to stop lurking and create a user account with the name "De Nada" but the registration system says it is too close to username "denada" yet when I search for *anything* tied to username "denada" there appears to be nothing at all, no user page, no contributions, no edits of any kind. Can an admin help me either (a) get username "De Nada" or (b) explain why this is not allowed if no one else is using it? Thanks 66.97.209.215 (talk) 16:34, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Account Denada was created on 24 October 2008, but never created a user or user talk page, which is why you can't find them by searching for User:Denada. They have not made any edits, which means, I believe, that you should be able to usurp the username. Please see WP:USURP. --ColinFine (talk) 17:03, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    ColinFine: Your advice was in error, the correct policy in this case is WP:IMPERSONATOR. I appreciate that you wanted to help but you should NOT have removed the {ADMIN HELP} tag if you were not an Admin. I wasted a lot of time trying to resolve the process conflicts between WP:CHU/S and WP:USURP requests when the whole time neither of these was the correct procedure. :( 66.97.209.215 (talk) 18:43, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    I removed the admin help template because it was inappropriate to use it on this page. It is for use on article talk and user talk pages.--ukexpat (talk) 18:52, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Indeed, I answered to the best of my ability, but I did not remove the tag. --ColinFine (talk) 22:59, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    The documentation of {{Admin help}} actually does say it can be used here. As WP:IMPERSONATOR says, you can request the username at Wikipedia:Request an account. There are account creators who can create it for you without renaming the similar username. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:52, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    You could file a request at Wikipedia:Changing username/Usurpations to make User:De Nada your user name and, per Commonly misspelled usernames, request that User:denada be usurped to be a doppelgänger account since, as ColinFine points out, User:denada has not made any edits. Usurping User:denada as a doppelgänger account avoids a potential request rejection at WP:IMPERSONATOR due to "De Nada" and "denada" not being different enough as to prevent other people from confusing the two users. -- Jreferee (talk) 14:39, 26 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Edit the Title of my Company's Wikipedia Page

    My company rebranded and the name of our transit service has changed. How can I update the title of the page? I am referring to the "Connect-a-Ride" page that is found at: Connect-a-Ride

    Thank you.

    CMRT2013 (talk) 17:38, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    I have moved it to Central Maryland Regional Transit. You should also create a new account (and abandon your current account) with user name that represents you as an individual rather than your company, per WP:CORPNAME.--ukexpat (talk) 17:58, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    How do I change the name of a Wikipedia Category?

    For example I want to change Category:Turkmenistan people of Russian descent to Category:Turkmenistani people of Russian descent

    Thanks1982vdven (talk) 18:17, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    You need to raise it at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion, have a look at the page it explains the procedure. MilborneOne (talk) 18:26, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    1982vdven, it seems that People of Turkmenistan are called Turkmen people, not Turkmenistani people, so Category:Turkmenistan people of Russian descent might be renamed to Category:Turkmen people of Russian descent. However, it appears that Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2010_April_17#Category:Turkmen_people renamed Category:Turkmen people to Category:Turkmenistan people to resolve ambiguities, so Category:Turkmen people of Russian descent won't work. However, using Turkmenistani people instead of Turkmenistan people might not be an unreasonable change. -- Jreferee (talk) 14:10, 26 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Now that someone has redirected the Connect-a-Ride page, it isn't showing correctly

    Someone updated the Connect-a-Ride page by redirecting it to Central Maryland Regional Transit, but now the table with the various routes is gone.

    CMRT2013 (talk) 18:44, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    That material was removed because Wikipedia is not a directory.--ukexpat (talk) 18:50, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Listing the public transportation available in a region doesn't make it a directory. A variety of other pages include that pertinent information, such as: Howard Transit and Baltimore Mass Transit Administration. Alexmt27 (talk) 18:57, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    that other articles are crappy and contain stuff they shouldn't is not a valid rationale to allow more crappy articles. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, it is not a bus schedule nor a free web host for promotional content about your company. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 20:33, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Please also see WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS - but thanks for pointing it out - it may disappear shortly. - Arjayay (talk) 20:46, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Slaight Communications

    Astral Media did not acquire Iceberg radio in the purchase of Standard Broadcasting. Iceberg Radio was acquired by AccuRadio in Chicago. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.101.124.134 (talk) 19:59, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    The place to bring this up is the talk page of whichever article it is you want changed. It would be helpful if you provided a reference to a published source that has the information you are suggesting. --ColinFine (talk) 23:01, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    The AccuRadio website[6] says "Iceberg Radio is now AccuRadio." This article does not say anything about AccuRadio acquiring Iceberg Radio and I could not find anything about it being transferred to the Astral Media family. I added, to both Slaight Communications and Iceberg Radio, a reference[7] about the non-sale of Iceberg radio to Astral Media and a citation needed tag regarding the subsequent sale. -- Jreferee (talk) 13:53, 26 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    RW Johnson

    Dear Wikip33edia

    I am writing about the entry on myself - RW Johnson. There is a lot of poor information here, supplied by a small sect of Trotskyites who wish to do me down for obvious ideological reasons. They have supplied you with information citing, for example, the one critical review (by a rival writer) of a best-selling and well-reviewed book I wrote (South Africa's Brave New World) and they also both fomented the agitation alleging racism by me and then supplied you with stuff about it. All the nonsense about baboons.

    For the record, several members of my family are black or married to black people. I have a black nephew and niece, black grand-nephews, a black daughter in law, a whole set of black in-laws - and well, need I go on ? The idea that I am a white racist is, frankly, laughable. Also, the biog online makes no mention of the fact that I was a Professor at the Sorbonne, that one of my books (KAL 007) was filmed in Hollywood, that I am the Chairman of the Advisory Board (and also a founder) of Good Governance Africa and that I travel the Continent a good deal trying to set up GGAs in all the major centres. Similarly, no less than three of my former students featured in the British cabinet of 2010 - they all clubbed together to send me a photo of it, signed by all three - Hunt, Huhne and Hague). Perhaps half of the staff of the Economist are also my former students including Bill Emmott, the former editor. Similarly, I have many friends among the French political elite inc. a number of Communists and Socialists and also the Gaullist leader, Francois Fillon. The Vice Chancellor of the University of Cape Town, Max Price, is another of my former students. In the official history of Magdalen College my name features more than any other in the modern period. As Senior Bursar of Magdalen I was responsible for the completion of the Great Tower (then restored), a distinction which I share only with Cardinal Wolsey who helped erect it in the first place. I was also responsible for turning the whole college around financially and then for dramatically improving its academic results. I also helped set up the Stanford University campus in Oxford. 1If you go to my website, rwjohnson.co.za, you will get a far better view of what I do. Frankly, what you have about me at the moment is just a disgrace.

    RW Johnson — Preceding unsigned comment added by 105.227.243.59 (talk) 21:49, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    I added a title uhhlive (talk) 21:53, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    I see that there have been problems on this article before. Can you please post a list of desired changes on Talk:R. W. Johnson with sources? Please remember that, as a primary source, the subject's web site can be used for only limited purposes here, although it can be a starting point. DES (talk) 23:42, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    You can also request help at WP:BLPN to get the article checked for accuracy and balance, and its sources for reliability. -Karenjc (talk) 07:25, 26 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    I posted a request at BLPN.[8] -- Jreferee (talk) 13:24, 26 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Eli Harvey

    I am trying to put a chart in the Elk or Elk at Rest section. However the chart is appearing at the bottom of the article, not where I'd like it to be. Any ideas? Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 23:36, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Carptrash, I fixed it here. Basically, you forgot to close the table. Dismas|(talk) 23:42, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you very much. I copied the table format from somewhere else and probably just miscut. May the gods look favorably upon you and your descendants for seven generations. Carptrash (talk) 23:50, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Photo uploaded for article on Thomas Wakem Caldwell

    Hi,

    I am the great grandson of Thomas Wakem Caldwell who was a member of the Canadian Parliament. I have family photo of him and I would like to have it added to his page in Wikipedia. Thanks, Kevin Saya-Moore

    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:ListFiles/Kevin_Saya-Moore — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kevin Saya-Moore (talk • contribs) 23:55, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

     Done in this edit.--ukexpat (talk) 01:07, 26 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    October 26

    Just a quick question

    Hi. I had previously made more than 900 edits as an IP over the last several months and I finally decided to make an account. I was just wondering, is there any way that my previous edits and talk page could be attributed to my new account? Thanks. Survivorfan1995 (talk) 03:47, 26 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    According to Wikipedia:Changing username (point #2 under Limits and Restrictions), what you're asking for is not possible. Sorry. Dismas|(talk) 05:00, 26 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    ... but, as it says a little further down the same page: "You may wish to inform others of previous username(s) via a simple statement on your user page, or use of {{user previous account}}." - David Biddulph (talk) 05:08, 26 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    but note that doing so means that your new account will be tied to the information that is available about IP edits- geolocation etc. information that is not available for viewing from your registered account. so make sure that you are ok with being publicly identified like that.-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 14:25, 26 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Canaanism

    May I suggest that the reference to Hofmann, Klaus, ‘Canaanism,’ Middle Eastern Studies, 47, 2 (March 2011), 273 – 294 be included in the Wikipedia article "Canaanism". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.68.106.219 (talk) 07:45, 26 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Generally sources are not added to Wikipedia article for the sake of including them. The references listed in Canaanism are actually used in that article, and the external links in that article are added based on Wikipedia:External links. -- Jreferee (talk) 12:56, 26 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    I encourage you to find a statement in the article that (a) is lacking a source and (b) is supported by information in the article you mention. Then by adding a reference (see WP:REFB) for that statement, you're helping Wikipedia by (a) telling readers that the footnoted sentence is supported, and (b) getting a good source onto the article page.
    Alternatively, at least post a note at Talk:Canaanism that this source exists, and that someone might find it useful in footnoting and/or enlarging the article. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 23:34, 26 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Can not get a diff

    When I went to use a diff from a recent ANI post, I noticed that some of the post history at ANI has been struck out, but the text of those posts still are on the ANI page. Any idea what happened? -- Jreferee (talk) 12:49, 26 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    See Help:Page history, where it says "In rare cases... see Revision deletion and Oversight...". In this case, something was posted at 15:35 and not removed until 22:53. To keep everyone from seeing what it was, all the revisions between those times have to be made inaccessible. -- John of Reading (talk) 13:43, 26 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    How to add another language's article on the same subject?

    I remember a while ago this can be done by adding something like [[fr:Wikipédia]] at the end of the article, but now I don't see any list of such code at the end of any article even though the left-hand tab says that the article has other languages counterpart. At the left-hand tab there is a link that says "Edit links", and it takes me to another page that list all different language version of this article. But I cannot link an existing article here, because it says "Site link Foo is already used by item Q1234567. Perhaps the items should be merged and one of them deleted? Feel free to ask at Project chat if you are unsure. ". Giabd789 (talk) 21:12, 26 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Check out Help:Interlanguage_links, and see if it helps. RudolfRed (talk) 21:44, 26 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    I see. I went ahead and did it [9]. But how come the other languages are listed in the left hand side without adding what I added? How did they add the link? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Giabd789 (talk • contribs) 23:37, 26 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    I added it to Wikidata (see d:Q3102918) and merged the duplicate. ~HueSatLum 23:53, 26 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    about divorce

    if a wife forces her husband to divorse herself and husband anounces tripple divorce at the same time. would the full divorce placed or it will counted just one divorce and what`s the purpose of iddat after divorce. thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.26.216.145 (talk) 22:20, 26 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    We don't provide legal advice, contact a lawyer. CTF83! 23:06, 26 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    The IP is inquiring about a concept in Islamic religious law, not Western law. You are right that we can't help here, but I found there are numerous Web sites that discuss talaq (divorce) and this specific issue -- the IP just needs to search for them (or contact someone familiar with Islamic law). The Wikipedia article Divorce (Islamic) may be of some help. Dwpaul (talk) 01:32, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    October 27

    CANTONISTS

    HOW CAN I TTRANSFER THISD ARTICLE TO MY E-MAIL?--Miriam biskin (talk) 00:39, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Have you tried copying the text and pasting it? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 00:45, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    the cut and paste will not bring the formatting or pictures. Most browsers will allow you to save a web page: in Firefox it is File > Save page as > Webpage, complete. In Internet explorer it is File > save as > Web archive single file.
    depending upon what you want to do, simply emailing the link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cantonist and letting the other person go see the current live version (or in the Toolbox on the left column, use the Permanent link to keep a specific version). -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 01:10, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    I just highlighted the entire article in Chrome, opened a new GMail message, then pasted and sent it. All the formatting copied, as did the photo. The only major difference was that the References section has a bunch of "Jump up" links. So if Chrome/Gmail happens to be the OP's arrangement, it should be "good enough for government work" as they say. :) (Much respect intended to TRPoD) Cyphoidbomb (talk) 01:31, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    I was thinking a cut and paste from the edit screen, which neither you nor the OP would have done, so ignore my claim that it wouldnt work.-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 10:55, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    If not, and the user's email supports HTML (which Gmail obviously does, as do most webmails), then copying the source should do it from the "View Source" or "Inspect Element" of your browser's menu.  drewmunn  talk  08:39, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Teahouse Skins

    Hi, I recently became a Teahouse host and I just created the suggested skins, (viewable here and here) however I can't get them to load correctly. What have I done wrong? I saved them just like I was told to do, but now I just get a bunch of Wikitext. Help would be greatly appreciated. Jinkinson talk to me 01:23, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    The Moon is made of green cheese

    For some reason (I don't know why or how), my edits to this article failed to produce the "Ref groups upper alpha" for the notes. It shows arabic numbers. I am too close to this article, and can't see the forest for the trees. Please help. Thanks. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 01:37, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    I found Help:Cite link labels, but haven't yet determined how to get the notes group to have upper case alpha characters. -- Jreferee (talk) 03:24, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    These special group names only work if you use {{reflist}}, not <references>. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:56, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you. {:>) 7&6=thirteen (☎) 11:46, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Requesting Neutral Arbitration Regarding Speedy Deletion of Roger W. Jones Award for Executive Leadership

    Concern, User talk:Orangemike did a speedy delete of Roger W. Jones Award for Executive Leadership, yet the page I saw before it was deleted, and it might have changed, did not seem to be advertising or spam? The award is the equivalent to the Fulbright Program or MacArthur Award for government senior executives in the U.S., and you wouldn't delete that from Wikipedia would you? Do you want to reconsider your action? It might be the user was a newbie who was well-intentioned but needed refining the article, to including articles other than just American University itself but not a speedy deletion? Notable winners include Richard A. Clarke and Christopher C. Kraft, Jr.... perhaps further discussion is needed on this topic? WashD101 (talk) 01:29, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    • The page, sourced to American University and named for Roger W. Jones, promoted the American University award by advertising the award and showcasing its winners. The Roger W. Jones Award page was written by the now blocked Rogerjonesaward user. You can challenge the deletion at Wikipedia:Deletion review after discussing the matter with Orangemike. The user name/account has multiple issues and it looks like Orangemike merely picked one issue to deal with. The block can be appealed at Wikipedia:Appealing a block. -- Jreferee (talk) 03:11, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • Many thanks Jreferee, it might have been that the editor needed to make sure to source edits other than American University, however the content that I saw... and I caveat that it might have changed between when I saw it and when it was speedy deleted... was of the same type as Fulbright Program or MacArthur Award... OrangeMike cites G11 but I personally would have said the problems were single source materials and that additional sources were needed... perhaps giving it 30 days to be rectified before pulling the ban hammer? Have left a message with OrangeMike and hope to hear back. Can't contact the user who contributed to identify their thinking given the ban... I appreciate your help and thank you. WashD101 (talk) 03:32, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • There is some source material on the topic from the early 1980s and 1990s, and more after that. About half the sources are press releases. You can find much of the source material at Archives - Washington Post. Most of the source material on the award are the giving of the award, but not about the award itself. The topic needs significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject to meet WP:GNG, and I don't think you can find two news articles whose main topic is the award itself. I also don't see the topic meeting Wikipedia:Summary style for the American University article. -- Jreferee (talk) 03:49, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    What led me to do a G11 block was the fulsome "His service was distinguished by his ability to lead change based on the belief that government can mobilize human talents to accomplish goals" and the reference to their winners as "distinguished". --Orange Mike | Talk 12:56, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks OrangeMike for the insight, couldn't that line have been struck instead? TheMacArthur Fellowship opens with the phrase "Genius Grant" and "exceptional merit and promise for continued and enhanced creative work" as well? Awards are meant to have some element of fulsomeness. The second, the word distinguished does have meaning in the world of public service, namely the Distinguished Presidential Rank Awards https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_Rank_Awards#Distinguished_Executive in which even Wikipedia has a subsection on Distinguished Executives? Maybe a better part of valor would have been an AfB or PROD instead? WashD101 (talk) 13:05, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Since I am not an admin, I do not have access to the original article. However, without seeing the original of the article, I would concur with WashD101 that the use of speedy deletion was an overreaction. I will assume that the article was overly promotional and contained peacock language. However, it had notable content that was capable of improvement. Is there a reason why speedy deletion was used rather than AfD? Was there any harm in leaving the article up for discussion? It didn't violate copyright or BLP, did it? Why couldn't AfD have been used, which provides an opportunity to improve the article? Robert McClenon (talk) 16:03, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    give it a rest. if you have third party sources, created a draft using them that assuredly is NOT purely promotional. if you want a WP:REFUND ask for it. beating the dead horse about a move well within the discretion of the admin is a COMPLETE waste of time and pixels. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 16:15, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    I am striving not to post in to many places about this, since User:EatsShootsAndLeaves indicated we should strive to keep discussion in one place... however since this discussion has forked, might I recommend you listening to this brief video clip in which a team of Wikipedia senior editors themselves experienced a speedy delete from an over-zealous admin when they were trying to create an article about the ragtime songs of the number 2 ragtime composer... fast forward to 2 minutes 50 seconds for both a laugh and a sad moment when the senior Wikipedia editors themselves have the speedy deletion occur on them when they were obviously trying to act in good faith... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NTWW_34-1.ogg sim if Wikipedia is about assume good faith shouldn't we consider whether the contributor did not know additional sources were needed? I am happy to work with them and others if it is restored to try and improve the article, I had seen it all to briefly and thought it needed some work as a stub... also, the admin blocked the user too without even talking to them, since when is that nice Wikipedia behavior? WashD101 (talk) 20:17, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    I think this has gone beyond the scope of the help desk and can be marked as closed here, discussion is continuing at DRV. Яehevkor ✉ 20:40, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Policy Issues

    I see at least two policy issues. First, one editor has said to take the issue to Requests for Undeletion, and another has said to take the issue to Deletion Review. Since we have two mechanisms for restoring deleted articles, and reasonable editors have taken different interpretations of how to restore this article, perhaps the policies have an ambiguous overlap. Second, perhaps the criteria for speedy deletion need to be clarified, because this was a borderline case where PROD or AFD could have been used. Maybe this should go to WP:VPP. However, should the request to restore the article so that it can be corrected be handled at Requests for Undeletion, or at Deletion Review? Robert McClenon (talk) 17:33, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Deletion Review ("DRV") is the right place, since Requests for Undeletion ("REFUND") is for uncontroversial stuff. DRV is where you go to say "Orangemike deleted this page under this criterion, but it should be undeleted because he made an error with ___ and ___ and ___ etc." REFUND is where you go to say "Orangemike deleted my userspace page at my request, but now I'd like it back again". A proper REFUND request is one with which nobody would reasonably disagree. Nyttend (talk) 20:19, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    How to lock the posted / edited content in wikipedia

    How to lock the posted / edited content in wikipedia202.62.93.202 (talk) 08:26, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Pages can be protected by requesting protection at WP:RFPP. But there has to be a good reason. The criteria are supplied at that link. Dismas|(talk) 08:39, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Uploading a photo

    Hello I would like to upload a different photo to use on the webpage for Jean-Louis Cohen.How do I do this?

    File:JLC LA 2012 photo NS.jpg
    Jean-Louis Cohen
    Genevievehendricks (talk) 13:08, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    This is how: you go to WP:FUW. Jinkinson talk to me 14:08, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    The file upload wizard will not work because Genevievehendricks is not yet autoconfirmed. Genevievehendricks, until you are autoconfirmed you will need to ask for it to be uploaded for you at WP:files for upload. GB fan 14:14, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Proposed food wikilove template

    I would like to turn this into a wikilove template.

    A Dobos torte for you!

    {| style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;" |style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;" | [[File:Dobos cake (Gerbeaud Confectionery Budapest Hungary).jpg|120px]] |style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Could you please turn this into a new food wikilove template? I have no idea how to do that. Enjoy! <span style="text-shadow:#396 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml">[[User:7&6=thirteen|<b style="color:#060">7&6=thirteen</b>]] ([[User talk:7&6=thirteen|<b style="color:#000">☎</b>]])</span> 14:49, 27 October 2013 (UTC) :[[Template:Dobos Torte]] is the beginning. <span style="text-shadow:#396 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml">[[User:7&6=thirteen|<b style="color:#060">7&6=thirteen</b>]] ([[User talk:7&6=thirteen|<b style="color:#000">☎</b>]])</span> 16:29, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

    Take a look at Template:Cookie or other templates at Category:Food WikiLove templates to get an idea as to how to create a food wikilove template. -- Jreferee (talk) 17:53, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks for the suggestion. {:>{)> 7&6=thirteen (☎) 17:58, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Boris Duncan is the same person as Ronald Duncan (alpine skier)

    Hi, I was editing Ronald Duncan (alpine skier) and noticed that there is another article for him. As you will note from the references on Ronald Duncan, his nickname is Boris. Not sure how to proceed! Can I suggest we delete Boris Duncan?

    Thanks, Gomach (talk) 20:46, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    I've turned it into a redirect. Be Bold. Rojomoke (talk) 21:13, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Dobos torte boxes are too long

    How do we close the Dobos torte box from two sections above this one? I tried adding |} after 14:49, 27 October 2013 (UTC), and I tried adding </span> and </b span> after 7&6=13's "thanks", but when I hit preview, all I got was the same thing with those characters added. Nyttend (talk) 21:21, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    I couldn't figure it out either - I've enclosed it in <nowiki>...</nowiki> for now. AndyTheGrump (talk) 21:32, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Elevation Church & Steven Furtick.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elevation_Church

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Furtick


    Elevation Church is a developing media story in the Charlotte NC area. There is a firestorm of controversy surrounding the finances of the the church and the pastor, Steven Furtick.

    As such, new information is consistently available for updating the Wikipedia page.

    • Eventhewise* and *71.68.60.201* are consistently deleting accurate and properly documented information -- this should stop. They want the two pages to function as nothing more than a resume page.

    Ridintherails (talk) 21:38, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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