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November 21

Rfc on upgrading the NAC essay to a guideline

Interested editors can comment on the Deletion process talk page. Thanks. Lourdes 05:39, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

Did you see the notice at the top of this page: This page is only for questions about how to use or edit Wikipedia.? Your RfC has been listed at Requests for comment along with all the others: Noyster (talk), 11:20, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

Hi Noyster, do please try and ping me if you reply as otherwise I miss the replies (as I almost did this). As I contribute considerably to the Help Desk and help editors out here, the message was left for the regulars who frequent this desk like me. I've recently noticed your contributions at the Help Desk and would like to thank you for giving your time in clarifying queries of editors here. There are times when I notice that questions go unanswered simply because I or the other regulars don't have the time. That's why it is heartening to see other editors chip in and do their bit. Coming back to your note, If you feel my post is a misuse of this page, do please remove this post (or any future post from me that you feel is out of order; no issues in that with me; just leave a note whenever you do that). Thanks. Lourdes 11:05, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Immaculate Heart High School (Los Angeles)

I have added a photo but have failed trying to place it higher up the page. Please help if able thanks 101.182.180.24 (talk) 09:45, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

 Done - moved image into infobox - Arjayay (talk) 09:52, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

Restore Picture file

Hi, following this Deletion request on Commons, the file corresponding to File:AsimovOnThrone.png was deleted, as Commons does not accept (anymore) the GDFL-IS licence tag. Could the original file be restored here? Where have I to ask for? Thanks. --Harlock81 (talk) 12:20, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

Indian - NOT NATIVE AMERICAN.

Please stop referring to us as NATIVE AMERICANS. That is PC we are Indians. In my case, an Indian of the Porch Band of Creek Indians.

We had OUR COUNTRY (NOT AMERICA) when it was taken from us, but we are still INDIANS and proud of our name and HERITAGE. Just like African-Americans is only true if they have dual citizenship.

PLEASE stop this politically correct crap. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.20.68.128 (talk) 14:38, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

This is being discussed at Talk:Native Americans in the United States#Native American: A legal or racial term?. The term Indian has a variety of meanings in different parts of the world. Dbfirs 14:47, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

Dbfirs are you sure that is the correct talk page link? I can't find a current discussion and the most recent post is Oct 2nd. Apologies if I have missed something. MarnetteD|Talk 14:55, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

MarnetteD Sorry, perhaps I should have written "has been discussed". I've made the link more specific. Dbfirs 15:02, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

We have an article Native American name controversy. Dbfirs 15:09, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for clearing that up Dbfirs. Much appreciated. MarnetteD|Talk 15:23, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

Noae Naganuma

Why do my Bold and large font headings disappear in the submitted document? How can I construct them properly in the draft?

ArborgateAborgate (talk) 15:36, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

The section headers in Draft:Naoe Naganuma seem to me to be correctly formatted. Maproom (talk) 16:27, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

The section headings look fine to me too. †dismas†|^(talk) 19:28, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

Portimonense S.C.

Yesterday I made a merge from the article Portimonense S.C. (football) (which had a sizeable amount of information about Portimonense's association football team) to the article Portimonense S.C. (which was about the club in its entirety, but was extremely small, defeating the purpose of its separate existence). It happens that I am not very experienced at doing these moves and I failed to move the talk page in the process and I can't do the talk page move manually. Is it possible to move it separately or do I have to undo what I did and try again? Thanks in advance. The Replicator (talk) 20:47, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

@The Replicator: You can't move the talk page because the page you are trying to move it to has more than one revision. I've requested the move be done at WP:RM/TR, where you can request noncontroversial moves you cannot make yourself in the future. Pppery 21:33, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

Xerxes date range

Just wanted to let you know that the date of Xerxes 1 reign is backwards on the photo of him it says he reigned from 486bc to 465bc — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spidertig (talk • contribs) 22:57, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for your interest, Spidertig. If you have points to discuss about the contents of a particular article, that article's talk page is the best place to discuss it - here Talk:Xerxes I. However, in this case, there is nothing to discuss, as the dates are the right way round. 486 BC was before 465 BC! . --ColinFine (talk) 23:06, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

Dear Spidertig, regardless of where you ask the question, it could have easily been answered here to help you better understand the chronology of time: BC (before Christ) and AD (anno Domini). Years progressing after the birth year of Jesus in the Julian and Gregorian calendars count forward 1 to 2017. However, since no one knows when time actually began, the counting of years progresses in reverse; mirroring the extension in the opposite direction: i.e. 2016 AD is the same as 2016 BC in opposition. However, since time moves forward, if you were born in 486bc and lived for 21 years, you would have died in the year 465bc (in the Julian and Gregorian calendar years). But if you died in 2AD and lived 21 years, you would have died in the year 23AD. Does this make any sense? I hope so. (I hope I got it right, myself!) Maineartists (talk) 23:41, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

Viewing the history of Exurb before it was moved/merged

Is it possible to see see the edit history of Exurb? The talkpage is accessible, but the main page gets redirected to Commuter town. In 2007, Exurb was merged and moved to Commuter town.(diff) Usually there's an infobox on the talkpage with a link the edit histories of pages that were merged, but I don't know how else to find it when that link isn't on the talkpage. Thanks! —PermStrump(talk) 23:10, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

@Permstrump: Yes, it is. If you go to the page exurb, then scroll up to the top and click on the small link where it says (redirected from exurb), that will take you to the redirect page, where you can click the "view history" link as usual. Pppery 23:15, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

@Pppery: Woah. I never knew that! This will surely come in handy in the future too... Thank you! :) —PermStrump(talk) 02:23, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

November 22

Great Zimbabwe origins

Oral traditions have been accepted facts for many historians. Great Zimbabwe is not exception: according to oral traditions of the Dziva Hungwe clan (royal priests of the city), King Soro Rezhou (of the elephant clan) began to build the city of stone cirica 2200 A.D. The dry masonry of the city is replicated in the local construction of traditional buildings. It is no surprise that the highest math scores on the O and A level exams and the highest percentage of engineering students in Zimbabwe come from Chivi, Zaka and Gutu Districts: the builders of Dzimbabwe. Not only have I spent six years in rural Zimbabwe, I also drew commentary from Dzimbahwe : life and politics in the golden age 1100-1500 A. D by Prof. Kenneth Mufuka.(1983)

References

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.84.168.47 (talk • contribs) 23:50, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

Why does this matter? Pppery 00:00, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

I don't think you meant 2200 A.D. Rojomoke (talk) 06:28, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

@Rojomoke, he has a very high math score :-) --AboutFace 22 (talk) 21:42, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

A product in Kickstarter

Dear editors: If a new product has been written about in several lengthy news and magazine articles, the company is raising funds on Kickstarter to produce it, has met the original goal, but the product isn't actually available for purchase yet, should it have an article? I have a draft in progress (User:Anne Delong/Pokito), but I am not sure what is the right time to move it to mainspace.—Anne Delong (talk) 00:27, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

The only part of that that matters is "written about in several length news and magazine articles." See WP:GNG. However, a possible counter-argument is WP:NOTNEWS and WP:NOTNEWS -- in the long run, the article will need to demonstrate that there's any lasting notability beyond the initial announcement of this product. Ian.thomson (talk) 00:37, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, Ian.thomson. I found another news article today, so I decided to move it to mainspace. I guess time will tell if I made the right decision.—Anne Delong (talk) 03:59, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Topic bans

Do we have a policy or guideline about someone who is under a topic ban discussing topic bans without touching on his banned topic?

I am looking at a couple of recently topic banned users who are now discussing how unfair their topic bans were. On the one hand, there is a benefit to discussions where users protest admin actions (sometimes admins get it wrong, and sometimes admins get it right but users just need to vent). On the other hand I see a benefit to them dropping the stick and moving on. Plus there is a real risk that they will stray into actual topic ban violations.

So do we have a policy on this? --Guy Macon (talk) 00:44, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Per WP:BANEX, if they're earnestly asking for clarification or appeal, then it's OK. That said, I've seen precedent for users who just would not STFU about their ban after an appeal fails being banned from appealing for a set amount of time and being told that further complaints would be treated as violations of the topic ban. Ian.thomson (talk) 00:59, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Immaculate Heart College

I have not done references 1 and 7 correctly. The refs. are from the same JOURNAL (not a publisher) and I would like to put down the publisher. Please can you do it? (I always take ages to get it right) Please be kind Srbernadette (talk) 01:15, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

I think it would be good for you to practice.--S Philbrick(Talk) 01:26, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Please help! sorry - Reference number 2 is a BOOK - I hope I got it right. I have left the other refs - 1 and 7 - as they were because I know I will stuff them up if I change them myself. Does it matter if these refs do not have publishers?

Why don't you learn referencing yourself instead of repeatedly asking for help with it on the help desk? Pppery 02:13, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Moortown, Leeds

I did not do this edit - reference number 1 on this page. Please fix if able. Thanks Srbernadette (talk) 03:13, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Resolved

@Srbernadette: - The title error? All I did was at |title= and add a title. it is not really a huge issue though.. and easily fixable. I "fixed" it though. --Jennica✿ ^{talk / contribs} 05:42, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

To clarify, this simple edit was what Jennica did. What stopped you from doing that, Srbernadette? --David Biddulph (talk) 05:51, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

@David Biddulph: - I have offered to help this user on their talk page but they never answer me back, but I've noticed their posts on here asking for this similar thing. Oh well. --Jennica✿ ^{talk / contribs} 10:54, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Rowspans

Hi! The film tables are given in WP:FILMOGRAPHY, but no "rowspan"s are used for the same "year"s in the table. Does this mean that the rowspans shouldn't be used in film tables, or can be used but prefer not to, OR what does it mean? Because I can't see any info about rowspan there. Please reply, thanks! M. Billoo _(talk) 16:02, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Dunno M.Billoo2000. Maybe they wanted to keep it simple, or maybe it's because the table entries sometimes extend a long way vertically and the year would become invisible. Filmographies in articles like James Mason#Filmography use rowspan with no apparent problems. If it bothers you you could ask at the talk page: Noyster (talk), 17:57, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

@Noyster: Hi! Thanks for your kind response. This means that there is no kind of any "blockage" for using rowspans, but it was witten at Emma Watson#Filmography that don't add rowspans. Thanks again! M. Billoo _(talk) 18:09, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

OK, having looked myself at the project talkspace I see that this has been repeatedly discussed. The most recent seems to have been here, the conclusion being that rowspan was OK to use in a left-hand "year" column, but not elsewhere - this postdated the adding of that comment to Emma Watson's page: Noyster (talk), 18:32, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind responce! M. Billoo _(talk) 05:23, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

NPP

I have recently been less active on Wikipedia and just learned about the new NPP rights. Firstly I'm a bit confused about the rationale. Doesn't this mean that less people are qualified to review? Secondly, the page about the user right says,

Editors who have not reviewed new pages since 1 January 2016 will no longer be able to do so until they have made a special, but straightforward, application for the right at WP:PERM.

so what about those who have? "Grandfathering" only involves those with more than 200 uncontested patrols, so what if I did less than that? And must I have used the Page Curation Tool to do patrol? I didn't like the look of the curation tool but I think I must have at least did some patrolling since January. Sorry if this sounds stupid but I have been on rather long Wikibreaks lately. The Average Wikipedian (talk) 05:30, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

• @The Average Wikipedian: see the links at Wikipedia:New_pages_patrol/RfC_on_patrolling_without_user_right#Previous_discussions. Basically, a (significant) restriction on who can patrol passed recently. In a nutshell, the consensus was that no patrol is better than substandard patrol. You can still access Special:NewPagesFeed.

As I understand it, the "200 uncontested patrols" refers to ticking the "mark as patrolled" button, so sending to AfD/CSD may not count towards grandfathering. I would expect admins at WP:PERM to be relatively liberal in granting the permission; the problem was barely autoconfirmed accounts jumping it without having read the guidelines. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 13:06, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

@Tigraan: Thanks for the reply. I definitely think I did click the mark as patrolled button a couple of times at least, and Twinkle does mark pages as patrolled after tagging AfDs and CSDs. However, what happens if my number of patrols is larger than 0 (which if fallen short of would deprive me of the right to review new pages without applying) and smaller than 200 (which if exceeded would automatically grant me the right)? What happens in this zone? The page suggests that I do no have to apply but at the same time am not automatically granted the right... The Average Wikipedian (talk) 15:50, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

There was some debate about how exactly the number of previous patrols would be counted, but the grandfathering has been done now, and rather than try to re-open the question I think your best course is to read the updated WP:NPP tutorial page, then if you want a New Page Reviewer job and are qualified, apply for it at Requests for permissions: Noyster (talk), 17:40, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

@The Average Wikipedian: Maybe the tutorial page is not clear, but from the discussion, I understood fairly clearly that the grandfathering applied to people having made 200+ patrols in the specified time window, hence a number <200 would not qualify. Again, looking at successful requests on Wikipedia:Requests_for_permissions/New_page_reviewer and comparing with your edit stats (and patrol log), I would think you will be granted the permission fairly easily if you just ask. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 18:18, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Succession box generated a second reflist?

Hello all. I tried to move the succession box to the bottom of a page and any way I did it, it would produce a 2nd reflist below it followed by errors. here is the edit I did, which I have since reverted. Can anybody tell me what I did wrong? --Jennica✿ ^{talk / contribs} 05:39, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

@Jennica: That would be because you moved it after the reflist in the References section. The reflist displays the refs which appear before it. Any refs without a following reflist are displayed at the end of the article. —teb728 t c 09:31, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Editing image on sandbox

I wish to practice editing an image licenced under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 Unported licence on my sandbox page. I am very unsure about the regulations and implications regarding this. Firstly, would I be able to edit the image in sandbox without altering the image throughout the enterity of its use on Wikipedia, as I only wish to practice on it. Also, Would there be other issues which I'm not aware of? I have no idea what the licence actually entails in plain English. I will greatly appriciate any advice. Regards, Aardwolf A380 (talk) 05:50, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

@Aardwolf A380: There is no way to edit an image on a page. If you need to edit an image, you download the image to your computer, edit it there on your computer, and then re-upload it to Commons (or Wikipedia). The CC-BY-SA license allows anyone to use or modify the image, subject to the restrictions that they credit the copyright owner and that any modification must be licensed under the same license. —teb728 t c 09:46, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Thanks so much for your help! Regards, Aardwolf A380 (talk) 09:57, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

hi

Hello the locations that comes up after starts tracking is incorrect — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.167.119.5 (talk) 08:58, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 6.8 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. —teb728 t c 09:47, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Virginia Conventions

Reference help requested. I am new to using wp:cite web, and received an error notice. I am sorry, I do not know enough about the convention to diagnose my error. Any assistance would be much appreciated, as it seems that I cannot advance my article to GA without conforming to wp:cite book and wp:cite web conventions. Thanks in advance. Thanks, TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 09:50, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

You are trying to use "cite web" for documents published in 1861. I'm not surprised it doesn't work. You could use "cite journal" and include a URL field. Maproom (talk) 10:03, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

It wasn't that which was flagging up an error. The error message was "Cite error: A <ref> tag is missing the closing </ref> (see the help page)", with the words "help page" being in blue to indicate that they were a wikilink, in this case to Help:Cite errors/Cite error included ref. Another editor has subsequently added the missing </ref> tag. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:10, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Thanks to all for prompt responses. I'll try to be more careful. TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 09:39, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

User Name and other stuff

Hello everyone ! I am new around the block and also, even though I consider english my second language and I am quite confort using it I am from Argentina and my native language is spanish (but I want to be here and use this wiki insted of the spanish one) OK here si te thing. I have already done some editing and embarked this weekend in the gathering of an article BIG entreprise for a newbie...Since my endevour is to start the page of AVI KAPLAN (bass of Pentatonix) and I understood that being this a collective plataform would be usefull to start a hull that inmediatly would receive masive editing from around the world, I took as reference KEVIN OLUSOLA page (the other bass and beatbox of Pentatonix whose history is much more alike Avi s adn Pentatonix s page than of course has much info about Avi. rarely there are not many public pics I could use so I spent THE WHOLE week end working against the clock in order to understand to edit in font text and gathering all the reasonable NEW info I could, but I got slashed by censorships about using too much info from Olusola and Pentatonix pages ! Of course I understand it is not personal, so I took the advise and spent the whoe day studying from wiki about how to do it right AND HERE COMES THE MAIN QUESTION since I wrongly I know now changed my user name to a one with a non valid symbol my username disappear so I do not know now if I was banned or rejected by the system. I want to contribute here, by no means I want to do wrong things or vandalize SO HELP !!! Thank you ! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Florencia Pellejero (talk • contribs) 15:40, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

As is explained at User talk:Florencia Pellejero#Wikipedia and copyright, material which you added to Draft:Avi Kaplan had to be removed as it was a copyright violation. I'm not sure what you mean about a user name with a non valid symbol; have you edited under a different username? --David Biddulph (talk) 15:57, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for replying. No, I did not edit under a different ussername. On Monday I tried to shorten it an in Preferences I used an arroba (that I now know is not a valid symbol) I do not know if it has to do with that but now, everytime I sign in my name appears in red and it says that my name is not a username that exist. Florencia Pellejero (talk) 08:28, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

@Florencia Pellejero: When you see a red link in Wikipedia, it (almost always) means that it is a reference to a page that does not exist. So when you see the red link in your signature, it means that you have not created a user page yet. You don't need a user page, but if you want one, click on the red link, enter what you want to appear on your user page in the big text box (you don't have to enter anything), and then click "Save page" at the bottom. —teb728 t c 09:07, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Author

Hi

I am an author and want my name to be appear in India writers list Please hep

Vikrant — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vikrantsantt (talk • contribs) 22:23, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Dear Vikrantsantt. Since I could not find any author/writer on WP with the name "Vikrant"; I am guessing that you mean this list here: [1]? If so, this is not a "list" per say, but assembled links to article pages of notable Indian Writers on WP. If you are a notable Indian writer, chances are you would already be on this list. You must meet certain requirements as a subject to meet guidelines of notability for inclusion on WP; see here: [2]. If you feel you are a notable subject, you may "request an article" here: [3]; however, WP discourages subjects to create articles on themselves or partake in their creation due to "conflict of interest": [4]. My advice: if you are indeed a notable Indian Writer, it is best to simply wait until someone creates an article about you. Best of luck. Maineartists (talk) 23:22, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Search for bare URLs

Hi, is it possible to search all wikitext in the article namespace to fish out bare URLs in references, aka search for <ref>[ or ]</ref>? Icebob99 (talk) 23:23, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Here's a simple https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=insource%3A%2F%5C<ref%5C>https%3F%2F&title=Special:Search

—Trappist the monk (talk) 00:11, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

If you use AWB you could identify pages with bare URL refs using the regex <ref[^>]*>\s*\[?(https?://[^][<>\s"]+)\]?\s*</ref> (CAUTION: do not run this against all pages; it will kill the server and return more hits than you can use.) If you want to see a partial list of such pages that I have been working through, take a look at User:Gronk Oz/Bare URLs. Feel free to fix them, and take them off this list when they are done. --Gronk Oz (talk) 00:26, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

@Icebob99: hope you're using the reflinks tool! --Jennica✿ ^{talk / contribs} 11:03, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

November 23

Charles F Bryan

At the top of the Charles F. Bryan article, there are links for the Charles Faulkner disambiguation page and the Faulkner surname page. I see from the talk page that his middle initial stands for Faulkner. Is it typical to put disambiguation and surname page links based on middle names? Leschnei (talk) 00:20, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

• Hi Leschnei, I don't think there is anything typical or atypical about putting such links. It's an editorial discretion that editors make on a case by case basis as the intent is to ensure that the reader does not confuse the subject with someone else. That said, if you believe the said links are editorially inappropriate, why don't you put up a note at the talk page of the said article? Come back if you have any other query. Cheers. Lourdes 11:20, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Thanks Lourdes, I was just curious, since Faulkner wasn't in the title. On my first read through, I glossed right over the full name right underneath (it was late), so it was a little confusing. I don't think that there's any change needed. Leschnei (talk) 13:19, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Can you give me simple instructions on how to cite sources?

I don't have the time to read the entire article and find what I need, it would be nice if someone gave me a quick answer. Boötes (talk) 00:42, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

At a bare minimum for web sources, you can put the URL between two ref tags. So it would look something like <ref>URL goes here</ref>. But that really is a bare minimum.

You could review WP:REFB. I don't know if that's the article that you don't have time to read but it's the basics on referencing. †dismas†|^(talk) 00:44, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

@Boötes: If you don't want to take the time to read the article, can you take two minutes to watch a video instead? Wikimedia Foundation has a number of videos on YouTube, and you might find the one on citing sources helpful. I tried to post the link here, but YouTube links are blacklisted (even Wikipedia's own videos). So go to YouTube and search for "Wikipedia editing basics: Citing sources (part 2)" --Gronk Oz (talk) 05:24, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

@Boötes: In the edit window there is a drop down menu called "Templates". It gives you easy to use templates for citing a webpage, news article, book, and academic journal. Click on the type of source you want and fill in the boxes that appear. That's the easiest way. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 15:32, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Ok, thanks! Boötes (talk) 00:52, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

How to add a summary after I UNDO a revert of a correction I did; Also How & Where to Argue my points on Edits

I have made a common sense edit in the article Cyrus The Great. In the 'Early Life" section it talks about Cyrus' maternal grandfather having two dreams. However, the description of these ends in two sentences, and then the section goes on to state how the grandfather went about doing things to ensure that the dreams did not come true. That is, after the 2-4 sentences describing the dream, it reverts to real acts by the grandfather. I merely edited th article stating that these supposed acts by granddad are now considered MYTHS in that they are basic stories in most histories of great men. That is, to avoid being killed by wicked king, usually a relative, they were taken after birth and hid amongst the poor, until their nobility and god-like qualities betray their identity. Then they raise an army and regain their rightful place & property, usually a kingdom.

However, the person that reverted my edit says these stories are the dreams, which if you read the article you can see they are not.

Xenophon as a cite, that he claims is unacceptable, whereas he uses Herodotus, who is no more or less accepted than Xenophon.

Leecorp1 (talk) 01:15, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

@Leecorp1: The place to discuss page content is on its talk page, in this case Talk:Cyrus the Great. —teb728 t c 04:53, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Oh, and discuss it BEFORE you decide whether to undo the revert. —teb728 t c 05:10, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

cross categories

How would I find out what pages are in both https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Films_set_in_the_1940s and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Films_set_in_Brooklyn ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.220.7.154 (talk) 01:16, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

There is a tool that can do this - Wikipedia:PetScan. This link shows the tool giving eight results for your query. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:41, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.220.7.154 (talk) 13:11, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Appalachian Trail

On the Wikipedia article about the Appalachian Trail, you might wish to add a Book citation under Non-Fiction Print - "The Spirit of the Appalachian Trail" - by Susan Power Bratton - subtitled "Community, Environment, and Belief on a Long Distance Hiking Path" - 284 pages - Copyright 2012 by The University of Tennessee Press / Knoxville - ISBN 13:978-1-62190-191-4

Thanks .... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.169.45.217 (talk) 03:03, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

• Hello, thanks for your suggestion. I've copied your suggestion to the talk page of the said article. I'm sure if editors frequenting that article find the reference worthy, they will include the same. Thanks again. Lourdes 11:27, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Page Deleted

A page I created after painstaking research has been deleted and the deleting admin refuses to explain why except citing ' unambiguous promotion' in the deletion summary. Please help me in restoring this page so that I can rewrite any inappropriate parts from a neutral stance. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by FilmForum61 (talk • contribs) 03:06, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

You have already presented your request here: Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion#Agneya Singh. You were told to demonstrate that the subject meets the notability guideline for academics. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 03:16, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

(edit conflict)If the subject of the article is notable, then people who are not affiliated with him can re-write the article. You removed the tags pointing out the neutrality problems resulting from the subject's friends rewriting the article, so it's hard to see how you'd be making it more neutral (a word, which, by the way, doesn't mean "totally in favor of the subject"). Also, the article history indicates that the article was created by Anitsaraf. Are you using multiple accounts? Ian.thomson (talk) 03:20, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

I was not the original creator of the page but I rewrote it extensively. And I thought it was neutral and objective but naturally respect the decision of the Wikipedia admin if they think otherwise. I am a film curator so I am speaking from a base of some experience Ian.thomson. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FilmForum61 (talk • contribs) 04:11, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Help for removing speedy deletion tag

I got a message with a speedy deletion tag for an information I wrote. So i myself deleted the whole sandbox. I don't know what to do next. Please help me so that speedy deletion tag was removed. PrashantS.Prashant (talk) 07:30, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

• Hi S.Prashant, you don't need to do anything else. I would suggest that you should give a quick read to Wikipedia's conflict of interest guidelines before creating promotional articles. And while you're at it, try to check out Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Come back here for any further help. Lourdes 11:16, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Adding a translated page of your wikipage

Hi,

There is already a wikipage about the company I work at in English, Portuguese, and French. How can we get this wikipage translated to Italian, French, German and Russian? Is this something an editor can help us with or can I try to submit a version in each language?

Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.111.218.130 (talk • contribs)

Hello. In general, please read Translate us for information about translating articles into other-language Wikipedias. More specifically, on the English Wikipedia you are strongly discouraged from writing or editing an article about your own company, because of your Conflict of interest. I don't know for sure that that is the case on the fr. de. and ru. Wikipedias, but I would expect it to be so. Please understand that Wikipedia is not for promotion of any kind. An article on your company does not belong to you, and you do not have any control over the contents. It ought to be a summary of what people unconnected with your company have published about it in reliable sources: Wikipedia has essentially no interest in what you or the company say about it. --ColinFine (talk) 11:16, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

re: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andreas_Gripp

Hi Wikipedia,

This page is a synopsis on my writing career. However, after much consideration, I don't feel that I am notable enough to warrant having a Wikipedia page. Though I didn't originally start the page itself, I have maintained and updated it over the years. I am retiring from public writing and believe that since my books are independently "published," I have not achieved the minimal acclaim from the literary community to justify its existence and therefore request for this page's deletion. Thank you for your time and consideration. Kindest Regards, Andreas Gripp, London, Ontario, Canada. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greenwichbeat (talk • contribs) 17:58, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Hi Greenwichbeat I have proposed a deletion of the article. If someone opposes this deletion, then it can be nominated using articles for deletion which starts a deletion discussion about it. Joseph2302 (talk) 19:09, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

How to create a WIKIPEDIA listing

Hello, I am new to writing article's or listings on Wikipedia, and was hoping to get a few pointers on writing a listing about an author. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by CatherineSellers (talk • contribs) 19:38, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Hello. The most important thing to start with is the general inclusion criteria: WP:AUTHOR. As a general rule, state the most important thing about the person within the first two sentences, and add multiple independent references. For further ideas about development, take a look at existing articles about authors. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 19:53, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Hello, CatherineSellers. As well as what zzuuuzz said, I recommend you study Your first article before you embark on the difficult process of writing an article (not a "listing": this is and encyclpaedia, not a directory) in Wikipedia. --ColinFine (talk) 22:30, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

position of image

Hi there,

can anyone please help me with the position of an image (left of an infobox). It's about this page: Saint_Peter_and_Saint_Paul_Archipelago. The historic map (1839) should be placed higher, next of Darwin, and especially next of Ross. Can anyone fix that? I can't. Thanx in advance. --Dick Bos (talk) 20:05, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

I'm not sure why but it seems like it's being pushed below the infobox. This is likely so that you don't have an infobox and image together making one very small, and some would say unsightly, column of text in the middle of the article. †dismas†|^(talk) 21:45, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

I have used {{Stack begin}}.[5] PrimeHunter (talk) 22:09, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. --Dick Bos (talk) 22:25, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Steven French

I just created a stub article for a subject that meets entry levels requirements for notability on WP. However, I accidentally capitalized a letter in the last name: FRench. How can I correct this in the article title? [6] Thanks. Maineartists (talk) 23:44, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Resolved

By 'moving' the page. (Click on 'more' and select from the drop-down). I've done so in this instance but your account meets the criteria for doing so if need be in future. Eagleash (talk) 23:51, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

The automatically created redirect might be deleted under {{Db-r3}} as it seems unlikely that anyone would search for 'Steven FRench'.

I've re-read the 'rules'; doesn't apply to page moves. Eagleash (talk) 23:57, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Eagleash Next question: how do I send you a "cupcake"? Maineartists (talk) 23:58, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Absolutely no need... but to send that sort of thing, click on the heart icon at the top of a user's talk page. Eagleash (talk) 00:04, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

Eagleash Do you think I should have listed it as "Steve French"? Maineartists (talk) 00:05, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

I just realized that his name is linked to several articles on WP as "Steve French". Will this pose a problem? Maineartists (talk) 00:07, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

'Steve' does seem to be the WP:COMMONNAME judging by the sources. Eagleash (talk) 00:12, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

I can't find any articles with this Steve French in, but there is a disambiguation page with others of the same name. He should probably be added to that. If you move the page again be aware of double re-directs. A bot will fix them but editors are encouraged not to leave them. If you move the page, you will get a link "what links here" clicking on that will show where the links are. Eagleash (talk) 00:30, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

• Eagleash I should have drafted this first. My apologies. Here are a few articles that mention French: [7] & [8]. In full disclosures, I have never "moved a page" before, and should have never submitted this page without that knowledge. Maineartists (talk) 00:41, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

You could pipe the links at the pages where he's mentioned. I.e. [[Steven French|Steve French]] but it the long run it might be redundant as it's always possible that the page would be moved by another editor in the future. I would hold off adding the links to the pages where he's mentioned until you decide whether to move the page again. Eagleash (talk) 00:54, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

November 24

Referencing errors on Ant and Bee

Reference help requested. How can I revert an article to what it was before I edited it (earlier today)?

About 4 hours ago, I added some text and a reference to the article "Ant and Bee". Somehow, this messed up pre-existing references, and a Wikipedia bot notified me of this. The easiest way for me to fix this would be to revert the page to what it was before I started editing it, and then start over., because I'm not sure exactly what the garbled references used to contain.

Thanks, Acwilson9 (talk) 03:41, 24 November 2016 (UTC) acwilson9

Never mind for now - I think that I have stumbled upon another way around this. Thanks, Acwilson9 (talk) 03:57, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

Acwilson9 for future reference, to revert back more than one edit, a quick & simple way is to click on the 'history' tab at the top of the page and then click on the date in the history, of the revision you want to go back to. This will display the page as it was at that time. Click 'edit source' and save the page. This will restore that earlier version. Use an ES like 'restore page' and add the reason. You can then redo your edits as required. Eagleash (talk) 14:48, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

Acwilson9 An alternative, if you only want to revert some of a string of edits, is to use two separate tabs in your browser, one editing the current version and the other editing the old version. You can then copy sections from the old version and paste them into the new, replacing the faulty sections, but you need to keep careful track of what you are copying from and to. Dbfirs 08:02, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

Phil Akashi

Hello, It seems that I made a mistake to create the article "Phil Akashi". I wanted to create it on the English version of Wikipedia, and I think it is on the french one. How can I change that?

Thank you caroline — Preceding unsigned comment added by Art Plus shanghai (talk • contribs) 04:24, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

Art Plus shanghai: you created it on the English version of Wikipedia, and wrote it in English. But it needs some attention, as it currently cites no references. Maproom (talk) 09:28, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

The post was about fr:Phil Akashi which has been deleted for not being in French. The English Wikipedia version Phil Akashi was created after the post. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:56, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

Deleted as a copyvio. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:49, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

Duplicate Pages

Can anyone help me delete Agneya singh or merge it with Agneya Singh? As you can see these are two identical pages but the first one has a capitalisation error in the last name. Any ideas on how this issue can be addressed? FilmForum61 (talk) 05:35, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

You seem to have blanked the page which has produced a speedy deletion request under criterion G7. However, did you create the new page by copy and paste? This is not something that should be done as the page history of the original page has to be retained. The page should have been 'moved'. (See WP:MOVE). The original page should be kept as a redirect and it may require a history merge. Eagleash (talk) 06:56, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

I blanked the page because it was created by error. I did not realise the last name was not correctly capitalised so I blanked it and shifted the contents to the correct page spelling. I realise I should have Moved the page but had already made the error by then. So should I wait for the speedy deletion or is there something you recommend that I can do in order to address the issue? I have redirected the page but that is just a temporary solution. Thanks for your help Eagleash! FilmForum61 (talk) 07:01, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

If you saying that you cut and pasted the content it will require a history merge I think. I believe this can only be performed by an Admin. If it gets deleted as speedy it will only confuse the issue, so I will remove the and create a redirect and req. hist merge. Eagleash (talk) 07:08, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

Great thanks! That should hopefully solve the issue. However can the page be merged entirely? It will be confusing to have it listed as a redirect for simply a capitalisation error. FilmForum61 (talk) 07:13, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

It should be kept as a redirect to preserve the page history. This is a copyright issue and apparently quite important! (It's a possible search term too). Eagleash (talk) 07:16, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

Okay I understand. Thank you. FilmForum61 (talk) 07:22, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

FilmForum61 It seems you have created a bit of a muddle here! Apparently an article was deleted via AfD and the content transferred to your user space. Despite this a further page was created at an incorrect title and subsequently C&P'd. This page is likely to be deleted under CSD G4 and it would be best if you worked on the 'draft' in your user space until it is ready..and do not cut and paste it into mainspace. (See WP:MOVE). Eagleash (talk) 07:37, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

Eagleash I did work on implementing the copy revisions in my user space. The only error I committed was creating a new page under an incorrect title and then copying the contents instead of moving it. FilmForum61 (talk) 07:43, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

It now transpires it was deleted as promotional not via AfD. New page is improved. An Admin. is 'on it' so it will be sorted. Eagleash (talk) 08:06, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

Thank you. Apologies for the confusion. FilmForum61 (talk) 13:50, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

Vague page

Zoovier - I came across this page today in the new album articles and I don't know what's going on with it. It has an infobox from an entirely different album and no other information. Should it be marked for deletion? --Jennica✿ ^{talk / contribs} 05:58, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

Infobox was probably copied from a different article but not all fields were changed. You can complete the work if the album is notable. Ruslik_Zero 16:23, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Shapiro Senapathy Algorithm

Reference help requested. 1. How can I have a list of citation as a table for any research people to refer under different table format? If you don't accept how I can achieve this? 2. Let me know where is DOI error. Thanks, Ganeshmanohar (talk) 11:14, 24 November 2016 (UTC) Ganesh Manohar

Trying to track down an old edit of mine

I did a particular edit between around 6 months and a year ago. But I cannot remember which article I edited although I checked two likely contenders but drew a blank. It has to be either an article about a particular type of bias or an article about an aspect of managers or management. I used a fascinating cite to support my edit but I just cant find it. I have waded through my contributions. I have tried searching on search terms "manager" and "bias" but have still not found it. Any ideas? Incidentally the edit is no way controversial so it wouldnt have been deleted from the system. Even if it was reverted, which is probably unlikely (i didnt get any notification of that) it would still be listed as a contribution of mine. It would be helpful if I could do a keyword search on just my own edits.--Penbat (talk) 11:47, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

I was going to suggest WP:WIKIBLAME but you need to know what article. Maybe someone at WP:AWB can help you in the requests user tasks section. If you know a certain word that you used in your edit, maybe they can search through your contribs? Just an idea. Not sure if it will work. Or if someone would assist. †dismas†|^(talk) 13:15, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

Changing "Died" to "Attained immortality"

We have a new editor who is changing "Died" and "Death" to "Attained immortality" in articles about Sikh Gurus. They are also changing "Death date" to "Immortality date" and "Death place" to "Immortality place" in infoboxes - which means that they do not show up, as these are unsupported infobox parameters.
I am aware of WP:EUPHEMISM, but this is a question of fundamental belief, rather than polite phraseology - specifically a belief that the Gurus being referred to, did not die. Is there a policy/guideline that covers these circumstances ? - Arjayay (talk) 15:18, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

It certainly violates WP:CRYSTAL, and will continue to do so. Ghmyrtle (talk) 15:42, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

Hi Arjayay. There's no policy supporting the change to attained immortality either. Even if there were a formal ordainment of attaining immortality for the Sikh Guru, the term died et al. is what should be used in the relevant paragraphs of the respective articles, with a note/section giving details about the ordainment (if at all such a thing happens in Sikh Gurus). I suspect it's just a religious follower who does not like the term died used for Gurus. e.g. At the Guru Gobind Singh article, an ip has been adding a honorific repeatedly. Maybe nudging your newbie might help. Thanks. Lourdes 01:26, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

In fact, I just noticed you've taken the editor to the edit warring noticeboard. Absolutely the right move, given that I noticed the editor's edits now. Lourdes 01:33, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

Hi

hi,how are you? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.248.50.24 (talk) 15:30, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

Hello, ...do you have a question about how to edit Wikipedia? Eagleash (talk) 15:33, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

ForeverSpin

Hi, can someone please check out this article as I've used up 2 reverts of unsourced "warning" notice, thanks Atlantic306 (talk) 17:18, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

I've done that, and improved the formatting of the article. Maproom (talk) 17:25, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Ben Feringa

Reference help requested. I copied the reference tekst example but now it says it's wrong??? It's some html code that's probably missing a special sign?

Thanks, 82.75.246.57 (talk) 18:51, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

Resolved

It was fixed with this edit. You don't need a ref name if the ref is only used once and when defining it like that where you want to use it again later, you don't put in the closing '/'. For a second or subsequent use you use <ref name="xxx"/> with the closing '/'. See WP:REFB for a basic guide to referencing. Eagleash (talk) 19:02, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

Monash University

Please make the word "education" at the bottom of this page NOT be in the colour red - there are some Wikipedia pages which are to do with education which this page should be linked up to. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Srbernadette (talk • contribs) 21:56, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

The reason it is red is because it is a piped link to "Monash University Faculty of Education" I.e. to a Wikipedia page which in this case does not exist. When someone writes the page (assuming it warrants one) the link will become blue. Eagleash (talk) 22:05, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

Mount Macedon, Victoria

This page has many mistakes which I am not responsible for. Please have a look. Srbernadette (talk) 23:54, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

Please clarify what is causing you concern. Also, as has been mentioned to you many times, if you see something wrong you are at liberty to correct it. Eagleash (talk) 00:05, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

There are many sections on this page in a grey boxes - in the "Notable houses" and "Private gardens" sections. I have never attempted to "fix" up this as I do not know if it is OK. I suspect it is all wrong. Please look. Srbernadette (talk) 00:36, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

They are in grey boxes because they start with a space, Srbernadette. It appears that whoever wrote that section was trying to get a nested list: the way to do that would be to start the second-level items with two stars, rather than the space-plus-star they have used. I have not corrected this, because I think the list (and especially the nested list) is not the most appropriate way to present this information: it should be rewritten as prose. --ColinFine (talk) 00:41, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

I have tried to re-write the section on "Notable houses". I am not sure what to do regarding the "Gardens" sections which follows. I shall leave it all for another more capable editor to fix up the mess. Cheerio Srbernadette (talk) 02:08, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

I have reformatted the "Gardens" section. Thank you, Srbernadette, for reporting this misformatting. Maproom (talk) 08:59, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

November 25

Issues with inbox & documentation pages

Hello,

2 issues here. Any time I insert an infobox, it aligns to the left, does not have borders, and various other formatting issues. I've verified the Navbar, Navbox, Infobox modules are installed properly in addition to the various templates. I can't figure out what could be causing this.

Additionally, all of my /doc pages are formatted incorrectly as well - no background colors/borders etc. Maybe these are related? Thank you for your help! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stillhouse (talk • contribs) 00:14, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

@Stillhouse: This is a help page for the English Wikipedia. Are you referring to a wiki not run by the Wikimedia Foundation? It sounds like you need code in MediaWiki:Common.css and maybe elsewhere. It's hard to tell without a link to your wiki. Anyway, questions about the MediaWiki with no relation to Wikipedia or other Wikimedia wikis belong at mw:Project:Support desk. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:26, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

The Changes to the Biography of Robert Payne

I am Robert Payne's widow and proprietor of the literary rights to all his works. The biography that was there previously was disjointed, disconnected and quite frankly didn't make too much sense. A more detailed biography of his early life and his literary career is on the website www.robertpayneauthor.com. Reference Notes at the bottom of the biography on this website gives the sources for all the information. I would appreciate any help I can get from any of your editors in order to correct the Wikipedia biography. Thank you.

Sheila Lalwani Payne — Preceding unsigned comment added by Payneslp (talk • contribs) 05:27, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

@Payneslp: Welcome to Wikipedia, Ms Payne. I understand and appreciate your concern to improve this article. I see that your first attempted edit was automatically reverted, because it removed large portions of the article without explanation, and this we discourage as "blanking". I'll take a look at the article in the next day or so, but I'd have to point out that we prioritise independent sources over a website set up in the author's own name. Such a website can, of course, be used to locate such independent sources.

Should you have concerns over any other article, the first place to voice them would be the "talk page" for that same article: in the case you raise it would be Talk:Robert Payne (author): Noyster (talk), 11:18, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

The article has now been revised and Ms Payne has been notified on her talk page: Noyster (talk), 01:05, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

Article about proposed event

I am thinking to create an article of TEDx Event that is proposed to be held in our city. I saw source codes of many TEDx events and didn't find any that is PROPOSED. Thus, I want to get the source code to create a proposed TEDx event article where I can include stuffs like "To be held on". Sorry for my bad language! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hell walker guy (talk • contribs) 05:55, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

Hello, Hell walker guy. Wikipeida only has articles about subjects that are notable, which means (in Wikipedia) that people who have no connection with them have thought it appropriate to publish substantial material about them. It is rare (not unknown, but rare) for an event in the future to meet that criterion. So, if you can find substantial published writing about this event, that does not come from the organisers, sponsors, or participants (and is not just based on interviews and press releases from them) then you could try writing an article, which summarises what these independent sources say bout it. Remember that Wikipedia has essentially no interest in what you know, or what I know, or what people associated with the event know or say: it is only interested in what independent people have published in reliable places about it.

If you decide it is worth going ahead with this article, please read Your first article, which will tell you how to make a draft in a safe place. --ColinFine (talk) 13:27, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

It doesn't look like we have articles on each and every individual conference. (And rightly so, IMO.) So, this might not ever have the notability necessary. There is a list of TEDx events by city but these only gloss over the city's events as a whole and don't give details on each and every conference in that city. †dismas†|^(talk) 15:01, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVG_Technologies - wrong info about the company being defunct

Hi, I am writing on behalf of AVG company. There is a misleading information on the wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVG_Technologies) in the knowledge box on the right side of the page. The company is not defunct. The company is consolidated with AVAST company and it continues to function under this company. Please can you remove the information from the knowledge box? thank you! VK — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kotlantka (talk • contribs) 06:31, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

Hello VK, and thanks for the notice. But I'm not sure I follow what the problem is: the Infobox does not say the that AVG is defunct. It says "Acquired by Avast Software", which is consistent with the references (which were provided by the company itself). Do you think it should say something different?--Gronk Oz (talk) 06:50, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

The infobox says 'defunct September 30, 2016' but I'm not sure it needs changing given the references; it is clear that it is part of Avast Software. Eagleash (talk) 06:52, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

Huh? Under the logo, the Infobox text starts with:

Former type	Public
Industry	Computer software
Fate		Acquired by Avast Software

There is no mention of it being "defunct" - where are you seeing that?--Gronk Oz (talk) 07:01, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

Look a little further down. General Ization ^Talk 07:03, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

Hey guys, thanks very much for reply, There is a DEFUNCT in the box - under the logo there is former type, industry, founded, founder, and then DEFUNCT - can you remove this please? VK

I agree that "defunct" does not accurately describe the software, but this article is about the company. I tried changing the infobox to "takeover" but this seems not to be a valid entry. What would be a more appropriate and valid word? Dbfirs 07:48, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

Add it to the "fate" parameter as explained at Template:Infobox company - Arjayay (talk) 11:27, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

I added it to the "fate" parameter. (The reason a "takeover" parameter does not work is that that parameter name is not implemented for this template.) —teb728 t c 12:25, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

Oho! So that explains why AVG, heretofore an excellent free product, has now become an exceedingly annoying piece of nagware. --ColinFine (talk) 13:35, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

Seeking a tool to browse Wikipedia as of a particular date

As an example, suppose I'm up to season 5 of Mad Men and I want to look at articles like Don Draper in their version as of April 13, 2012. I know I can click on the history tab, use the menus to choose a month and year, then carefully go down to choose the particular date and time of the revision that I want to see, but this has three drawbacks:

• it's cumbersome (especially since I want to be able to click on wikilinks like Peggy Olson and go straight to the 2012 version of that page in one click)
• there's the possibility of inadvertently seeing spoilers on the 2016 version of the page
• when viewing a prior revision, all templates are manifested as the 2016 version of the template, not the version on the appropriate date in the past

In some cases the Internet Archive Wayback Machine will do what I am asking for, but it can be slow to load and of course does not have every revision. Since Wikipedia stores every past version of every page, is there any convenient tool that will let me navigate Wikipedia as of a particular date? Mathew5000 (talk) 09:33, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

You could try Wikipedia:WikiProject User scripts/Scripts/TimeTraveller. It shows the current version of templates and images. Wikipedia:WikiProject User scripts/Scripts/TimeTraveller.js hasn't been edited since 2009 so I don't know whether it still works. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:28, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

How do you even know these things? Lourdes 16:03, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

You seem to be asking for phab:T2851 to be implemented, which, considering it has been around for 12 years, does not seem likely. Pppery 16:09, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

In spite of popular belief, I'm not omniscient and have to research some questions. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:41, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

(side note: what you said above is not true; many revisions from 2001 have been lost, and other lost revisions occur occasionally as recently as 2004). Pppery 17:06, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

Notability of a company that's not "mainstream"?

Per WP:ORGCRITE there should be some independent coverage. Well... I was looking for an article about Hakko (a Japanese company) which makes soldering and rework equipment that very well known in the electronics and hardware community, and I couldn't find one in any of the major Wikipedias. The problem is that it's not known outside of the community (because it's a metal and soldering company). There's an article on Apex Tool Group (American) which also makes the well-known Weller soldering stations. That article is facing similar issues (i.e. not enough sources). However, at least being a US company got it coverage from Bloomberg.

I can't find anything on Hakko other than what's covered on its site. Citing the site only would definitely award the article a deletion nomination. What to do here? —Hexafluoride ^{Ping me if you need help, or post on my talk} 12:06, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

• Hi Hexafluoride, you could consider leaving a note at Wikipedia:WikiProject Japan. Interested editors could find out regional sources or even English sources on the company, if such exist. Thanks. Lourdes 15:59, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
• What Lourdes just said. Non-English sources are fine, though English sources are preferred. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 16:02, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

I've posted in WikiProject Japan, and Electronics. Hopefully good source will come up. —Hexafluoride ^{Ping me if you need help, or post on my talk} 16:52, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

Towns and villages of London -UK

Noticed that in a few recent years, some editors have started changing the location of villages and town in the north west of Greater London to simply west. Editors that live in London (and as they know were they live) just keep reverting them but the changes keep coming. Is there any way to stop this? --Aspro (talk) 15:46, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

• Aspro hi. Is it an editorial dispute about the location or pure vandalism? Lourdes 15:51, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

Certainly not vandalism, otherwise I would have brought it up before. Many editors ( err... going on memory here) aren’t even residents of the UK. Greater London is a very large conurbation and the cardinal points of the compass is too imprecise (to blind you with science we where taught ordinal points at school but that was so many decades ago I cant even remember what they referred to but at the time it made perfect sense). Think this is just no more than just ignorance and naïveté. Most certainly, I don't wish to restrict their efforts, because we accept and honour, WP as an Encyclopedia that anyone can edit but some edits, when they occur and repeat time and time again, become a pain. There should also be no dispute about the location. London & Greater London is well mapped. This is what is so frustrating.--Aspro (talk) 16:41, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

Wouldn't postal areas be a good unambiguous means of distinguishing West from Northwest London? AlexTiefling (talk) 16:47, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

Yes, NW postcode area seems to make for a clear-cut definition. If the slow-paced edit war continues without discussion, this becomes disruptive editing - but even if it comes from the right side. I suppose you have tried to discuss it on the talk page? Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 16:51, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

Back in and on the 27 June 2010. P.g.champion created a Wikimedia Commons category so that up-loaders of images had a good geographical location. So yes, postal areas does gives the towns and villages a geographical placement and is pertinent and evident here: London region postal towns but some editors keep corrupting this long accepted nomenclature of where people live.--Aspro (talk) 17:38, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

That's not so straightforward for Ruislip, HA7. I'd also recommend using talk pages, as well as gathering references. It might also be preferable to change the wording to avoid the issue entirely, as per Queensbury, HA7 and Belmont, HA7. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 17:04, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

Err.. why is it not straightforward for HA7. It is not in west london but north west London. It encompases Stanmore for heven's sake!--Aspro (talk) 17:53, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

Using the NW postcode (or the N or W postcode for that matter) is not so straightforward for HA7. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 19:04, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

Stanmore is a Greater North Western London Postal Town not an inner London Postal District area, so I don't see what your point is.--Aspro (talk) 19:29, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

Then I recommend you don't use the NW postcode area suggestion above which I was highlighting problems with. I do suggest you read my other comments. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 19:46, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

You're not making sense, so how can I comment?--Aspro (talk) 19:52, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

Use the talk pages. Add references. Consider whether the wording can be improved in order to prevent incorrect edits. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 20:00, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

• Anyway, coming back to my point. How can we stop the geographically challenged editors from continuously switching North-West to West ?--Aspro (talk) 19:39, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

  If it's an issue where a significant number of editors subscribe to what you're saying here, an alternative I would suggest is that you may request for comment on a standard that will be applied to all such pages, and a banner that may be placed on all talk pages of relevant articles, notifying future editors of the Rfc and guideline accepted. Once the Rfc is closed, paste the banner on all relevant articles, and just keep them on your watchlist (all this is assuming the Rfc goes your way). That's about it. Lourdes 02:07, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

• Can you or another editors guide me as how to do this RfC ? Think, I now know why, a few editors (many of which are not even residents of the UK) are getting the Greater London locations confused. But for us, that keep reverting these edits, is like not being able to see the wood for the trees and we would benefit from an uninvolved NPOV input to cut through it. Which is why I have bought the issue here for your help.--Aspro (talk) 18:25, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

Is it possible to change the user name after about 5-7 years of using it?

I wonder if I can change my user name but with one condition. I want my new name appear in all my previous posts even a few years back. Is it possible? Thanks, - --AboutFace 22 (talk) 18:16, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

@AboutFace 22: See Wikipedia:Changing username. Your old signatures would not change but page histories and so on would. You can redirect your old user and talk page to the new name so signature links still work. Such redirects are automatically made during the rename. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:38, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

I think I understand what you mean, @PrimeHunter. Thanks, --AboutFace 22 (talk) 21:44, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

One more question. I have a SandBox associated with my name, actually two. What will happen to them? Thank you, - --AboutFace 22 (talk) 21:55, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

@AboutFace 22: Actually three: Special:PrefixIndex/User:AboutFace 22/. Sandboxes and all other pages in your userspace are automatically moved to the new name. See Wikipedia:Changing username#Must read. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:28, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter, thank you, - --AboutFace 22 (talk) 01:37, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

speedy deletion

hi, I nominated this[9] for speedy deletion, how long does the process usually take? thank you--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 21:50, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

Not too long, depending on what's in CAT:CSD it can typically take up to a few hours if it's not important. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 21:56, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

thank you--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 22:32, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

Y It's gone now. --Gronk Oz (talk) 00:54, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

template message / second opinion

Does this page deserve some kind of Wiki template from WP:TC? I feel like I need a second opinion. To me, the whole thing is an eyesore [by the way, I'm not the author]

Also on This page - the overly long subheader. I have no idea what it would be renamed --Jennica✿ ^{talk / contribs} 02:16, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

Simple reversion question

Recently I made an edit on the page Florence Henderson which was reverted and then reversed. When I questioned the editor, (for learning purposes only) they mentioned a method called: "fast" reversion that encompassed 20 edits (including mine) that allowed several reversions of vandalism at once; which then allowed the editor to simply reinstate my one "good" edit. I questioned this method, but I have yet to understand it clearly and fully here: Florence Henderson Talk. The history that I see only is this: [10] and since I am ignorant of this "fast" reversion edit, I only see one reversion along with mine. Could someone show me exactly where the other 18 are in this umbrella reversion? and how does one accomplish this "fast" reversion? Thanks so much! I appreciate it! Maineartists (talk) 02:35, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

@Maineartists: They bulk "reverted" back due to the vandalism before yours. it isn't a vendetta against your edit though. It seems like the editor explained it clearly on the talk page --Jennica✿ ^{talk / contribs} 02:42, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

@Jennica: Thank you. This has nothing to do with the editor. I wasn't offended. To someone who does not know this method, it simply looks as though an editor reverted mine and one other. I am trying to learn; and honestly, I still don't know how to "bulk revert". I guess I'm not asking the right question: how does one bulk revert / fast revert? Thanks. Maineartists (talk) 02:47, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

@Maineartists: - it's a permission for established users to counter vandalism. Say there were 10 vandalistic edits. Instead of manually doing it one by one, I can revert back to a previous version that wasn't littered with vandalism. --Jennica✿ ^{talk / contribs} 03:07, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

@Maineartists: The editor in question here was using Twinkle, but one could also accomplish the same thing by clicking on "edit" while viewing an old revision. Pppery 02:51, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

• @Jennica: Thanks. I am beginning to understand. I need to do more research on this. It seems like a useful -- yet confusing to those who are unfamiliar with it -- tool. I don't think I'll ever use it; but it's good to know I can. I appreciate your taking the time to explain. Maineartists (talk) 03:21, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

Extrapolating dates from sources

I do apologise if this gets asked frequently, or if it's explicitly covered in a policy somewhere, but I haven't been able to find anything about it using a few different sets of words. My question is this: is it acceptable to infer a date from a relative time clause in a dated source? For example, if I have a newspaper article claiming that something occurred "about 30 years ago", and the article can be verifiably dated to 2015, is it acceptable to use this source to support a statement that the event in question occurred "in the mid 1980s"? This is of course presuming that no more accurate source can be found. Does this count as WP:CALC? Or is it WP:SYNTH? Triptothecottage (talk) 04:45, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

I will be interested to see what others have to say, but what you suggest sounds fine to me - as long as you treat it with the appropriate precision (or lack thereof). So if the source says "about 30 years ago", or even "30 years ago", that isn't an exact figure. If it says "30 years last Friday", that's a much more specific figure. As you say, it is a routine calculation covered by WP:CALC. To cover the bases, you could include the relevant wording in the "quote=" parameter of the citation.

A related situation comes up with dates of birth when the source says the subject is "28 years old" (as at the date of the article". In that case, there is a template to cover it specifically: see {{Birth based on age as of date}}. --Gronk Oz (talk) 09:02, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

I thought there might be a template to cover this situation (similar to the one above), but I can't find one at Category:Date mathematics templates. To my mind, this reinforces that it is considered a straightforward, routine calculation. --Gronk Oz (talk) 09:18, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

There are editors who would reject such a calculation as original research. (I am not among them.) Maproom (talk) 10:19, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

Tag for copyvio removal

What is the tag to flag an article for removal of copyvios in its history. —teb728 t c 08:17, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

Hello @Teb728:, you are probably looking for Template:copyvio-revdel. A list of useful copyvio-related templates can be found at WP:COPYVIO#Templates. GermanJoe (talk) 08:32, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, that's just what I was looking for. —teb728 t c 13:29, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

Chart procession and succession navboxes on music articles

I can't find any definitive info about this. On So Gone, the navbox has its own section "Chart procession and succession". WP:ALBUMSEL mentions navboxes should be at the bottom, which I guess this falls under. Here's a bottom example: this page-- which I think is the correct way.. however, I just cannot find any documentation on it. --Jennica✿ ^{talk / contribs} 09:39, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

Looking for an English author to format and edit the translated version of a German Wikipedia article

Dear collegues, I am a German Wiki author and would like to have my latest article edited in the English Wikipedia. As I don't have any experiences there and the formats, keywords, items and structures look so different to ours, I would kindly like to ask, if perhaps any collegue, experienced with the English formats and rules, could help and edit the article in my place. It's about a painter, a huge edit including nice photographes (already for free use in the commons) and of course I would deliver the translation. Only the formating and all technical details would have to be done by a kind collegue. Could this be of interest for anybody out there? I would be extremely thankful. --Pas de chat (talk) 10:42, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

@Pas de chat: Ja ich möchte helfen :-) you can email me or leave a message on my talk page -- samtar ^{talk or stalk} 10:49, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

Flag usage on album pages?

Is this allowed? I am seeing it on a [less notable] album pages and I haven't been able to find anything about it on the album guide. See: Imeall for what I'm talking about. I feel it's pretty dated. What's the consensus? Thank you. --Jennica✿ ^{talk / contribs} 13:53, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

WP:INFOBOXFLAG should probably apply. That apart, if it were applied as in the example quoted, infoboxes could be crowded with flags as albums are not always released on a 'universal' date. Eagleash (talk) 13:58, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

Okay thanks @Eagleash:. It's probably because it's not listed in the examples. I assumed it wasn't allowed. It's been awhile since I saw it in another album infobox.. It's always the stuff that's not there that I'm looking for :P - --Jennica✿ ^{talk / contribs} 14:04, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

(IBAN CODE) In figure s International Account Number for Bank Windhoek in Namibia

Kindly help me to search for me the iban code or The International Account Number for the Bank called Bank Windhoek in Namibia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Songiso076 (talk • contribs) 16:26, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

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Wrongfully edited page of Yang Hyun-suk.

Respected editor, Page on Yang_Hyun-suk is wrongfully edited by some fans of 2ne1 kpop group which was under his management and disbanded on 25th november 2016. Not happy with this decision someone rudely edited his page. Please restore it back. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.203.120.187 (talk) 17:36, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for reporting this. It looks like several editors are already handling the issue, and a semi-protection of the page is requested at WP:RfPP. Anyone can revert obvious vandalism immediately, or request page protection in cases of serious ongoing problems. GermanJoe (talk) 17:54, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

Page now semi-protected by User:Zzuuzz - Arjayay (talk) 17:55, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

Asian Month signup help

Hello! Where should I copy the format #YourUsername (talk) in order to sign up for the 2016 Asian Month? And will the sign-up be valid across language versions? Thank you! Cristixav (talk) 20:06, 26 November 2016 (UTC)