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Errors in the summary of the featured article

Please do not remove this invisible timestamp. See WT:ERRORS and WP:SUBSCRIBE. - Dank (push to talk) 01:24, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Errors in "Did you know ..."

Current DYK

Jonny Pelham

... that the comedian Jonny Pelham is one of only 200 people in the UK to suffer from popliteal pterygium syndrome?

This is contrary to the general guidance of WP:DYKBLP that "Hooks that unduly focus on negative aspects of living persons should be avoided." The condition is a disfiguring mutation and so quite negative.

The fact is also biomedical information per WP:BMI – "Number of people who have a condition" – but does not have a source satisfying WP:MEDRS. The condition is part of a spectrum of genetic mutations which cause a range of disfiguring disorders and so classification would not be so exact. The number 200 is suspiciously round and I suppose that it's a guesstimate from the common statistic for incidence in the literature of 1 per 300,000 which will likewise be a rough approximation. Presenting this as if these 200 people are known individuals is quite misleading.

Andrew🐉(talk) 06:51, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Nice way to insult and stigmatise people with this condition. Having a condition or disease is not a "negative aspect" of a person. Fram (talk) 07:14, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Not a hook I would have chosen, but that certainly isn't because I think it's a negative aspect of a living person. There was an ALT0 at Template:Did you know nominations/Jonny Pelham, and I would have chosen that, but can see why it wasn't chosen. Pinging AirshipJungleman29, in case there are non-obvious factors. CMD (talk) 07:49, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Seconding the observation that having a physiological condition is not in itself a "negative aspect". Claims that conditions necessarily are negative aspects come across as rather ableist, and I would object to changing the hook on such grounds. Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits) 07:51, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Nighat Arif

... that BBC Breakfast's resident doctor Nighat Arif has advocated for more women to be given vibrators for medical reasons?

This is contrary to the general guidance of WP:DYKBLP that "Hooks that unduly focus on negative aspects of living persons should be avoided." That's because this is sensational and salacious and so might be considered scandalous in the conservative Punjabi community from which she comes. For comparison, a more respectable fact is that she is one of the deputy lieutenants of Buckinghamshire.

As the hook is also advocating for a fringe medical treatment, there are also WP:MEDRS issues. The source is just an opinion piece in a newspaper which was written by the subject and so is nowhere near MEDRS standards.

Andrew🐉(talk) 07:04, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Er, what? Nearly everything may be considered "scandalous" somewhere, by that reasoning we may e.g. not post hooks about a Muslim woman doing, well, anything really, as some groups find that scandalous. Well, these groups probably find it just as scandalous for non-Muslim women to do activities outside the house, so let's ban all hooks about women perhaps? Or alternatively, don't raise such silly objections. Fram (talk) 07:17, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

a Muslim woman doing, well, anything really, as some groups find that scandalous. Well, these groups probably find it just as scandalous for non-Muslim women to do activities outside the house, so let's ban all hooks about women perhaps—I can't help but think there's a less orientalist (in the Edward Said sense) way to disagree with the criticism of the hook than reinforcing stereotypes of Muslim communities as distinctively misogynist contra other parts of the world (i. e. implicitly the global north, since we're on English-language Wikipedia which overrepresents the global north).

To the OP I would say that this concern that Arif's activities might be considered scandalous in her community seems paternalistic. Arif herself hails from her own community; who are you or I to say that what she's proposing is scandalous and inappropriate for a Punjabi woman? Characterizing the view as scandalous implies, whether inadvertently or not, distrusting her judgment and agency. Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits) 07:47, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

I was thinking of the Taliban cs, which is as far as I know about the most women-unfriendly regime in the world. I refered to Muslims because Arif is a Muslim. But perhaps should have said Taliban immediately, instead of using more vague words. Fram (talk) 07:56, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Would we expect this item to be discounted because her opinion piece in inews fails WP:MEDRS? If it's a fringe treatment, then would MEDRS be expected to cover it anyway? Perhaps it's the word "medical" that's the problem. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:31, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Errors in "On this day"

Tomorrow's OTD

• 17 May Top line item Sanja Matsuri is orange issue tagged (original research, added Feb 2024) - it is therefore ineligible per No 4 of WP:OTDRULES? JennyOz (talk) 08:07, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
• 1954 In Brown v. Board of Education item, the link for landmark case would be better piped to List of landmark court decisions in the United States (on which Brown appears)? JennyOz (talk) 08:07, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Errors in the summary of the featured list

Friday's FL

(May 17, tomorrow)

Monday's FL

(May 20)

Errors in the summary of the featured picture

Notice to administrators: When fixing POTD errors, please update the corresponding regular version (i.e. without "protected" in the page title) in addition to the Main Page version linked below.

Today's POTD

"The site is a listed as a", the first "a" should be removed Elspooky (talk) 07:49, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

 Fixed Schwede66 08:00, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

General discussion

Where can I see previous versions of the front page for each day?

Hi all

Can someone tell me how to see previous versions of the front page for different days? Also can I suggest that that link is added at the top of this talk page somewhere since it's very unusual for the History tab for a Wikipedia page to not show previous versions of the page.

Thanks very much

John Cummings (talk) 20:55, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Previous versions of the front page can be found at Wikipedia:Main Page history.

It is linked at the top of this talk page in a navbox. Unfortunately, navboxes are not visible in mobile version. You can see how the navbox looks in a desktop skin. —⁠andrybak (talk) 21:16, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks very much, that's why I missed it :) John Cummings (talk) 21:34, 26 April 2024 (UTC)