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January 11

Use of present tense for historical events

I have noticed that some Wikipedia historical articles misuse the present tense to describe historical events. This is what I call "TV documentary English" since it seems to me that only documentary participants speak that way naturally. Carried over to written English, this style creates confusion and irritation in the reader and gives the impression that the writer is also confused. These sins are made worse by frequent switching back and forth from past tense to present tense, often within the same paragraph. Could you possibly issue a guideline on this issue ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.72.235.228 (talk) 00:20, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

The historical present is a standard use of the present tense in English. It is used to narrate past events for stylistic or rhetorical effect. See present tense#English. —teb728 t c 07:24, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

But I'm inclined to agree that such stylistic or rhetorical effect is probably out of place in an encyclopaedia, and certainly arbitrary changing of tense is not a good idea. 114, can you give an example of such a page, that people can look at?

The best place to suggest this is probably Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style. --ColinFine (talk) 11:09, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

The historical present may well be a standard usage, but normally legitimate only in dramatic or literary contexts. In my view, people don't talk that way naturally and it sounds stilted and contrived in TV documentaries about historic events and bizarre in a conversation. In a historical text, it is confusing and irritating, particularly when current events are discussed in the same paragraph or article. The sense of immediacy is at the expense of losing the sense of past context. Unfortunately, I can't recall the specific articles, but I will update this post when I find them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.73.75.209 (talk) 22:58, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

An example of the inappropriate use of the historic present in Wikipedia articles is in the Wikipedia article on the economist Claudia Goldin - see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claudia_Goldin. "With Lawrence F. Katz, she explores the United States' economic slowdown in the late 1970s. She reasons that it was rising levels of economic inequality at the end of the 20th century, not slow productivity growth nor economic convergence between nations, that was at the root of the United States' economic trouble". Is the author inviting readers to believe that Goldin is performing these actions right now ?

I submitted an article but forgot to create a subpage first so I could play around.

My user name is PierreQuenneville. I accidently submitted an article (my first) on subject of 'Lutherlyn Camp and Conference Centre'. I wanted to compose a draft first, but I think it was submitted for review. It needs to be touched up. How can I retrieve it? Kindest Regards, Pierre Quenneville PierreQuenneville (talk) 00:48, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

By the looks of your contributions you either never saved the page, or it was deleted. If you did save the page and it was was deleted you might be able to ask for it to be undeleted and moved to your userspace. Otherwise, there's no way to retrieve it. - Purplewowies (talk) 01:01, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

(e/c) Can you tell us exactly what you did? Were you editing while logged in under this account? The reason I ask is because your account has only ever made one edit—the post above—and it has no deleted edits. Moreover, I just checked the deletion log for the title you provided and no article by that exact name and capitalization has ever been created. It is unfortunately not that uncommon for people to attempt a first edit but not properly save the material for various reasons, including that they hit the "show preview" button rather than the "save page" button, or they fail to see various messages when they attempt to save such as that the page could not be saved because of a "loss of session data" (usually happens when you let the page sit for a while or work on it for a long time) or because the edit included an external link that is blacklisted or which required a captcha to be added to save. For future reference, and it may be little consolation, but I always save any decent size edit to my computer's clipboard and for really large or labor intensive work, to a wordpad or word processing document, before attempting to save. Meanwhile, if you are still editing from the same tab/window, it's possible that if you to hit your browser's back button, it might, just maybe, be retrievable.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 01:08, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Pierre, no article has ever existed under that name, nor have any articles you have created been deleted. In fact, this question you asked was the first thing this account has ever done at Wikipedia. The only possibilities I can think of are

• a) You never saved the article
• b) You created the article under a different name, using another account
• c) You created the article at a different Wikipedia (not en.wikipedia, but another language or sister project, like simple.wikipedia or something like that)

Please try to retrace your steps and see if you can figure out exactly what the title was, or exactly what account you used to create it. If it was option a, there's nothing that can be done. If it was option c, then you'll need to ask at that language's Wikipedia. --Jayron32 01:33, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

how to edit

There is a article I would like to edit but it is to much information and to complcated to figure out — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.162.180.246 (talk) 02:06, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Have you read Wikipedia:Introduction? There's some basic information there. If you have any specific question, we can try to answer it here as well. --Jayron32 02:13, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

There is also Help:Editing that might help you understand how to edit. GB fan 03:25, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Or you can wait until April for the new editing GUI, which will be much easier.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 15:33, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Or you can leave a message on the talk page of the article, saying what you think should be added, and someone may do it for you. Or if the article is overseen by one of the WikiProject teams (it should say on the talk page if it is), you can ask the project team. --Colapeninsula (talk) 13:48, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

reporting an offensive page

I saw a page on me, and am offended, as I didn't want one, so how do I get it deleted? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.116.191.68 (talk) 02:56, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Which page is that? —teb728 t c 03:15, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Are you asking about an article in Wikipedia? If so, is there something about the article that you find objectionable other than the fact that it exists? (Is it, for example, libelous?) Are you a person who has received significant coverage in reliable sources? If so, are the things it says about you verified by references to reliable sources?

If you want the article deleted, you could nominate it at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. But if it conforms to our policies on biographies of living people, notability, and neutrality, it is unlikely to be deleted. —teb728 t c 05:41, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Guessing it might be this page that the IP is bothered by, since it mentions controversy and was recently edited by the IP. A single reference stub. fredgandt 06:38, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, as recently as March 12, 2008. :-o —{|Retro00064|☎talk|✍contribs|} 07:03, 11 January 2012 (UTC).

Hey! I just woke up. Ok!?  fredgandt 07:12, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

In general, the decision to include an article about a person is made on the merits of notability. However, IIRC, where the notability issue may be a close call, I think we are willing to defer to the subject if the subject prefers deletion. I didn't book mark that discussion, and I am in a meeting, so it isn't convenient to search for it now, but perhaps someone else recalls the WP position on this issue. I haven't looked closely to see if this is a close call, but a former mayor of a small city (which coincidentally, I will be visiting Friday) doesn't strike me as so obviously notable as to foreclose consideration of the request.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 15:31, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

It's in WP:DGFA. Reaper Eternal (talk) 21:16, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I had forgotten that it was a rationale to be used when closing an AfD, I had thought it could be used outside of that process, but my recollection was not accurate.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 22:33, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

I thought you would like to know that I've removed some content from that article for violating our policy on biographies of living people -- specifically it was controversial and unsourced. If someone finds a source to support it, however, it may return. --NYKevin @844, i.e. 19:15, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

How to post English translation of a French quote found in English article (!) on English Wikipedia ?

On the page titled TITI ROBIN, there is a long French quote which I have perfect English translation for. How do I post it ? ( I really really really looked for an answer but...) Thank you one and all ! Noleakshere (talk) 04:53, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

I see you did it. —teb728 t c 05:10, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

please some body help or assist

Reference link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiney_Ahuja Dear Sirs, Actor Shiney Ahuja was accused of rape by his home maid. He was then arrested and then released and the maid retracted her statement saying she had lied. I want help. The actor's wikipedia page has all these details. I am beseeching some authority to please consider taking out this information from the page of the actor as a criminal is only a criminal when he is convicted in the court and it is not right to sensationalize an issue and destroy a person's life by including such material on wikipedia. Please help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.251.75.18 (talk) 10:49, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

The references in the article (and other reports such as The Guardian) say that he was convicted and jailed. - David Biddulph (talk) 11:00, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Dear Sir, My apologies. I had not seen this. My apologies for the trouble. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.251.75.18 (talk) 11:16, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Finding your edited page has been changed back to the outdated content

UBM plc has an article describing the company which was updated in line with recent changes and with its current website (as linked to from the page). Overnight this was changed back to the outdated content. Is there a way to stop this from happening? Why did it happen? All information is verifiable with the links provided and is authorized content. CAn the page be protected? I have re-edited it to the new content again. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mleastop (talk • contribs) 11:33, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

It was reverted as the tone you used was promotional and not NPOV. Please read: WP:COI and WP:NPOV Jarkeld (talk) 11:40, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

In addition, the material you added was directly copied from UBM's own website - Wikipedia cannot accept copyrighted materials like this (see WP:COPYVIO). I have reverted your edits again; please discuss the changes you want made on the article's talkpage to establish editorial consensus. Yunshui 雲‍水 11:44, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Draft article question

a draft of an article i was writing about someoneelse was submitted for reviewing while i was trying to preview, the article isn't finished yet, what can I can do to stop this ?Jenna0194 (talk) 13:25, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

I don't see any edits on your account apart from the one on this page - which article were you working on? UltraExactZZ ^Said ~ Did 13:37, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Jon Driver

Jon Driver (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

There is an article on Jon Driver, my brother, which has been edited to include details of his suicide as well as the distinguished history of his work as a neuroscientist.

I have edited these details out twice now, as it is causing his bereaved family great distress. My changes have been reverted by the person who first put that detail online. I am a novice Wikipaedia editor, and appear to have been given warning that entries should be impartial. Surely however it should be possible to use some discretion in what public information is recorded, salacious details of a family's suffering are not in the public interest?

Could you advise me please on how to proceed with having this information removed.

thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shumphreys (talk • contribs) 14:13, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not censored. -- kainaw™ 14:37, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

... but the description of such a recent death should be a little less blunt. I have improved the wording of that section of the article. Gandalf61 (talk) 14:58, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

I agree, it looks less blunt, hopefully that will help.Naraht (talk) 15:32, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

To the original poster, I am sorry for your loss. However, all of the information about his death is from apparently reputable sources (I don't know "This is London" well enough to judge) and seems done in Neutral Point of View. May I suggest honoring your brother in Wikipedia by working to improve his article. There is currently know information on what degrees your brother had and which universities granted those degrees. That information would certainly be welcome. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Naraht (talk • contribs) 14:50, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Avoiding_harm. We can wait a bit. His death is not related to his notability. I removed some info, but I will put it back later. See also: The Golden Rule. Von Restorff (talk) 15:43, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

OTOH it's not a BLP any more... I suggest that you not leave it off forever. I'm also a little surprised by that essay: it encourages administrators to violate the deletion policy (which says you have to go through the deletion process before deleting an article; I've never heard of administrators secretly discussing the deletion of an article off-wiki). --NYKevin @829, i.e. 18:53, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Given the sensitive circumstances around this article and that family are involved, I think it's really quite thoughtless to mention that it's no longer a BLP, NYK. I back Von Restorff's removal; I hope that this goes a little way towards easing the distress of Prof. Driver's family. Brammers (talk/c) 20:19, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

You think that is thoughtless? Well if such a minor thing is thoughtless, I might as well go all the way. See WP:COMPREHENSIVE and remember that WP:HARM isn't policy in the first place. But I'm not going to do anything about it. That would be... thoughtless. --NYKevin @165, i.e. 02:56, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Account

I created this account in error. Wish to delete it completely. I made no entries/contributions. Please assist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mstovall495484010 (talk • contribs) 15:35, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

You cannot delete an account. Just stop using it. Von Restorff (talk) 15:43, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Theoretically, you could ask for Wikipedia:Courtesy vanishing (or a change in username if that's the error part), but since you have no contributions, you could just leave. Deleting your account isn't possible. - Purplewowies (talk) 16:01, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

For info: Deletion of accounts is not possible since all contributions must be attributed. fredgandt 16:18, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Ironically the fact that you used the account to post this enquiry makes it impossible to delete it, because the account now does have an edit history. If the problem is just the username you can change it as Purplewowies explained. Roger (talk) 20:39, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

I also left a message on the user's talk about how to change username, because they tried to do so on WP:USURP twice incorrectly. - Purplewowies (talk) 21:45, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

infoboxes on manufacturers' pages

What is the best way to go about including an infobox on a manufacturer's page? I see that many mfrs have these for company info and would like to add one. Wikkiwitchh (talk) 16:32, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

I'd find a page with an example I liked and copy the source and then edit it for the company I wanted to use it for. (After you find one you like the look of, start to edit it and at the top you'll see a template called something infobox or infobox something copy everything from the opening double { to the closing double } and then cancel the edit.) RJFJR (talk) 16:43, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Use Template:Infobox company. Copying an already used template from an existing article risks errors and also limits you to the fields that happen to have been used in that specific instance. Using the "original" template gives you the full set of all the possible fields and also isn't "contaminated" with info that is not relevant to the new article, which can easily be left behind by accident. The "original" template page also contains comprehensive guidance on its use. Roger (talk) 16:50, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Locate a similar company, edit and view the source, then note the name of the infobox. At the bottom of the page you should see a list of templates used in the article. Click on the desired template and view the documentation to see the full set of features. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 16:54, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Edit removed for insufficient reference ... what to do?

Hello ~ I recently added a truthful, historic addition for an event I personally conducted regarding the Wikipedia page for Scott Joplin's Opera "Treemonisha" ~ it was in 1997, long before articles and reviews were linked or posted to the internet. The only proof I have for a reference link is the Homepage for the production company itself, which sites the review and the reviewer and its paper and even the venue locations, dates and times. How can I edit and add this information to the Treemonisha page <ref>http://takeaboughproductions.com/</ref> and even cites: The Lincoln County News published the complete review of TREEMONISHA, written by Lucy L. Martin on November 13, 1997, and not have it removed by Wikipedia, siting that without a proper reference to a specific online review, it is viewed16:44, 11 January 2012 (UTC)Music4ibc (talk) as "SPAM" ... ??? It's a Catch-22, but there is significant history to be added to this page. I even saw that others had posted far less media covered or legitimate additions, and yet were allowed to be kept on the page by Wikipedia. Could someone tell me how I could possible get around this loophole? The review quotes are right there on the Homepage with the reviewers name and paper. What more can I possibly do to reference under the guidelines for Wikipedia's standards? Thanks Music4ibc (talk) 16:44, 11 January 2012 (UTC) Aaron

References do not have to be online, Wikipedia articles use "dead tree" sources all the time! To cite an article published in a newspaper use Template:Cite news. Roger (talk) 16:55, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Please note that you might have a conflict of interest here, on other hand properly citing reliable sources will be enough to get your content into the article whether or not they are online. Some times content does get in on the basis of common knowledge that might not need citation, but if you think the content needs to be cited too you are in your full right to remove that. --lTopGunl (talk) 17:01, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

In order to cite a dead-tree source, you must personally read the dead-tree source. If you have access to that source, by all means cite it. Not everything that can be cited will be kept in an article; some things aren't important enough to mention in an encyclopedia. I'm not familiar with writing encyclopedia articles about operas, so I don't know if a single adaptation and series of performances is usually included in opera articles or not. Jc3s5h (talk) 18:01, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

I can see why your edit was taken as spammy. Even if it was quoted (without attribution) from the review, the phrase “hoping that choruses everywhere will add this to their repertoire” betrays a promotional intent, as does the part about the “original cast recording.” If you have a source that says that choruses everywhere have added it to their repertoire, your adaptation would be a good addition. But I see that all of your edits have been for promotion of Aaron Robinson; please don't do that; Wikipedia is not for self-promotion. —teb728 t c 22:51, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

every time i search the web my internet explorer stops working what can i do to fix this problem?

every time i search the web my internet explorer stops working what can i do to fix this problem? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.167.76.184 (talk) 17:59, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

This page is for asking about how to use Wikipedia. Questions about computing in general may be asked at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Computing. Jc3s5h (talk) 18:02, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Go here; click run now. if that does not help use the system file checker. Von Restorff (talk) 06:55, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Citing a documented that was updated twice

[1] - it was updated twice, in 2009 and 2010; would the update date be the thing to use for the |date= parameter, or the original publication date? Is there a parameter for {{cite report}} that would have both an update and original publication date? HurricaneFan25 18:01, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

See the doc page for the use of origyear. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 18:08, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

The thoroughbred Ahonoora

I have read several articles about his legacy (Dr. Devious for example) here, but nothing about an article about this stallion itself. Would there be anyone to do this? Can't do it myself I am Dutch. Thanks in advance, Margreet van den Brink — Preceding unsigned comment added by Erins isle (talk • contribs) 19:02, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

I think Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Thoroughbred racing would be the best place to raise this matter. Roger (talk) 20:34, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

I'm on it. Horse is definitely notable for stud record. Late 1970s not an easy period for sources. Will see what I can do. Tigerboy1966 (talk) 21:16, 11 January 2012 (UTC) Done. Tigerboy1966 (talk) 23:21, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Advertising Wikiprojects

I've done this before, but I forget what places we're supposed to advertise new Wikiprojects on. I mean, I know there's lists to add them to, but I thought there was a noticeboard or two where we could as well. Silverseren^C 20:53, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Template:Announcements/Community bulletin board looks like the thingummy-bob. Lot of informative pages linked from Wikipedia:WikiProject. fredgandt 22:26, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 22:34, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Template:Wikipedia ads#Creating ads (kind of a bonus, but why not?) --NYKevin @870, i.e. 19:52, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Unveiling old myths: procedures and expected effects (ref song "Ging gang goolie" and Robert Baden-Powell, etc)

We have found that most statements in the "Ging gang goolie" Wikipedia article are either unfounded (=myth) or fictional (=non-encyclopedic). So we posted a week ago a lengthier item to the Discussion page of the "Ging gang goolie" song and alerted the two involved projects (and some other non-Wikipedia pages) via their Discussion pages (and mail), that we propose that the article content is more or less mythical. [[2]]

Now we have the following dilemmas.

1. To prove that the content is mythical we have had to do part OR (Original Research) digging into published material (documents, books) in century old libraries, etc, not previously published on the web.

Q. Can we still edit the article in question based on our non-googlable facts and insert them to replace the myth? What other recommended steps are there for this kind of situation (I have read the policies and help and about sources, etc; is this a case for the first pillar?)

2. We notice there are up to 500 in-Wikipedia links to this article and several outside Wikipedia. And that there are lots of other types of wikies that somehow "subscribe" to the Wikipedia article (and/or just cut and paste from it)

Q. Is there this kind of subscription that allows the receiving wiki outside Wikipedia to automatically become updated with the wikipedia article? And if so, how do I ensure that this service will continue with the edited article? Brommabo (talk) 21:56, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Throughout your question you keep referring to "We", Is this account used by multiple people? GB fan 22:06, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

"We" are presented in detail in the Background subsection of the Discussion of the article in question (reference link above). It is NOT a multiple person account. Brommabo (talk) 08:56, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

First: References do not have to be "Googleable". As long as they are to verifiable sources, they're fine (with all other bounds (notability, reliability etc)).

Concern: Who are "We"? I'm worried by your turn of phrase that you (all) may have a possible conflict of interest that might need consideration. fredgandt 22:09, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

This was brought up at Talk:Ging Gang Goolie#Myths? regarding Ging gang goolie, primarily: Robert Baden-Powell as the originator. I skimmed through it and had been poking around a bit. The article does have references, but I don't have access the one book listed. Brommabo has a few sources listed there that might be of use, but there are obvious issue with original research.

Regardless, the discussion belongs on the article talk page. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 22:33, 11 January 2012 (UTC) WikiProject Scouting

"We" presentation referred to above, ref "Background" subsection in the article Discussion (re above too). Brommabo (talk) 08:56, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

If there is controversy about who wrote something, then all sides of the controversy should be represented, as long as there are suitable references. It's not the job of editors to judge who has the most valid claim and remove references to other claims; that would be original research, but it's not original research to say that a controversy exists or to describe the controversy. --Colapeninsula (talk) 13:58, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

It seems there might be a misunderstanding. I fully understand that editors are not supposed to be umpires re who did what. I also fully understand that the Discussion and Talk pages for the respective articles are to be used for discussions/controversies (which I use). However, here I seek guidance on how to proceed when the facts I base my article changes upon are hard to retrieve for internet parties in general (like century old document archives/libraries in UK and Sweden). Yes there is some OR here; on the other hand should a couple of possible wiki myths stand undisputed just because presumed true-er evidence opposing these possible myths has not become webbified yet? Brommabo (talk) 16:23, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

The webbification or non-webbification of the sources is not relevant: if they are reliable in nature, and available to the public (even if difficult to access) you can refer to them. If they say something different from other published sources, you can summarise their argument (though not synthesise from them), and state how they are different from other sources; but you should not attempt to resolve the disagreement in the article, as that would be original research. --ColinFine (talk) 16:52, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks a lot ColinFine, that explains a lot. The OR angle for me means my sources seem primary from the point of timewise and personwise closeness to the earliest manifestation I have found of the song. I have in the Discussion page of the article invited interested parties to display whatever sources in the form of historical evidence that they use as support, focussing the period one century ago. At present no such sources are referred to on the web.

Further I am interested in what anyone would suggest as comment to my second question: propagation means of wiki article content. Brommabo (talk) 22:48, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

We cannot update websites that copy our content, but usually some of them do that themselves even though it will take some time and some will never be updated. It is a bit chaotic. Von Restorff (talk) 07:03, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I understand that Wikipedia editors do not have any responsibility to manually update other types of web based wikis. However, I am still wondering if there is some kind of automatic update mechanism available at Wikipedia that updates via "subscription" other wikis: yes or no? (the acknowledgement wording in some of the non-Wikipedia articles about Ging gang goolie implies that). Brommabo (talk) 09:23, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

The point is, we do not publish our content on those websites, they copy our content when they please. Von Restorff (talk) 10:25, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

January 12

channel numbers for fox footy

the new channel numbers for fox footy on foxtel and austar are hd 206 and sd 504. the reference is feom austar website — Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.238.233.216 (talk) 01:42, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Is there an article that needs to be updated? If so, which one? RudolfRed (talk) 02:47, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Rap Group Cali Swag

You have listed that Cali Swag member Corey Fowler aka DC Smoove was killed in a car accident on December 31. THIS IS NOT TRUE. HE IS NOT DEAD. He is still a member of the group. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.131.146.49 (talk) 01:57, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Looks like someone has already fixed this on Cali_Swag_District. RudolfRed (talk) 02:26, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Security Code/Picture problem

I've lost the password to my earlier account and I understand that I can't recover my account as I didn't record my email at the time.

I've tried registering for a new account but can't do so due to the confirmation (security) codes used by the process. Is there a way to register (eg by email?) without a security code being used? Thanks, 182.177.24.16 (talk) 02:01, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

See WP:ACCT. There's a form you can fill out. RudolfRed (talk) 02:23, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks...however I think I will post a note on the policy page about the security codes that Wikipedia uses anyway.182.177.24.16 (talk) 04:03, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

What's a security code? The Mark of the Beast (talk) 22:12, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

I think this refers to the CAPTCHA - it has its own help page. -- John of Reading (talk) 22:32, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Can't find an old TFD

{{Holidays}} (formerly on the Main Page) was tagged with {{tfd}} on 3 December 2004; does anyone know how to find this discussion? WhatLinksHere doesn't give any links from TFD-related pages, the deletion log has disappeared, a search for "holidays" in the "search archives" section at the top of TFD doesn't yield anything relevant, and the December 2004 TFD archive doesn't have anything about it. Nyttend (talk) 02:37, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

TfD back in 2004 had the discussion right on the TfD page, that is it did not transclude separate discussion pages. The last revision before closing (by removal) is here and the removal diff is here. The weird thing is that I cannot find the entry in the deletion log.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 03:02, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Aha. The deletion log apparently only goes back to December 23, 2004. Interesting.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 03:11, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

URL points to Incorrect article

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worlds_Within_%28The_Outer_Limits%29

The above URL does not point to the synopsis of the "Worlds Within" episode of Season 7 of the Outer Limits, but rather a page which describes the history of the Outer Limits television series, both original and newer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.121.27.65 (talk) 03:00, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

It was actually intentional. It's a redirect in the Wikipedia sense which means that the url does not change although another article is displayed. Below the heading it says "(Redirected from Worlds Within (The Outer Limits))". The page history of the redirect shows there was once a tiny article: [3]. See also Wikipedia:Television episodes. I have changed the redirect target from The Outer Limits (1995 TV series) to List of The Outer Limits (1995–2002) episodes#Season 7 (2001–2002). The latter has a brief mention of the episode. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:39, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

I don't think it's intentional. All the other links on the episode page go to articles for that episode. Why would the link for the Worlds Within episode point back to the main Outer Limits article? RudolfRed (talk) 03:44, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Because there is no separate article for the "Worlds Within" episode? – ukexpat (talk) 14:10, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Reporting vandalism

Users with IP152.226.7.211 and IP152.226.6.204 been vandalizing articles. Thought you guys might want to know and block it.--NeoBatfreak (talk) 03:44, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

152.226.7.211 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) has been given a final warning; 152.226.6.204 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) has not edited for two days so it's probably too late to do anything. For general advice see Wikipedia:Vandalism#How to respond to vandalism. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:04, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

recently added 'Eric Arnott' article

I have done some editing on this article and added in line citations and removed dead links. Can someone advise what other major issues need to be addressed to further improve this article. Thank you Ovigalltd (talk) 13:07, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

I will answer on article's talk page. – ukexpat (talk) 14:21, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

 Done. – ukexpat (talk) 17:59, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Darren Clarke and Rory McIlroy

Hi

I have obtained Darren Clarke and Rory McIlroy items for a sports dinner auction. I wish to match it with a photo and write to ask whether Wikipedia has copyright on the displayed photos of the two golfers? And if so, whether or if it is possible to use these photos?

Thanks

John F.31.52.136.102 (talk) 13:27, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

The photos currently displayed on those golfers' pages are:

commons:File:Rory_McIlroy.jpg

commons:File:Rory_McIlroy_practicing_on_the_green_at_the_2010_PGA_Championship.jpg

commons:File:Rory_McIlroy_at_the_Memorial_Golf_Tournament.jpg

commons:File:DarrenClarke.jpg

Wikipedia does not own the copyright for any of these photos. However, all four are hosted at the Wikimedia Commons and have been released under a Creative Commons Attribution ShareAlike licence, which allows you to re-use the photos subject to certain easily-met conditions. You can see what those conditions are by clicking the file names above and scrolling down until you see "Permission" or "Licensing". If you have any more specific questions, the best place to ask is Commons:Village pump/Copyright, or else check out Commons:Reusing_content_outside_Wikimedia. Cheers, Adrian J. Hunter^{(talk•contribs)} 14:27, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Special:DeadendPages

Special page Special:DeadendPages has not been updated since 2009 and is therefore useless. How can we get the page updated so we can address dead-end pages? Lineslarge (talk) 13:43, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Good luck getting it fixed. If you want an alternative, many articles that contain no or few external links are marked with the Wikify template and are listed at Category:Articles that need to be wikified. Of course that's not much help in finding these articles, only in repairing them. --Colapeninsula (talk) 14:05, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Take a look at Wikipedia:Deadend pages and read this last 4 comments in this section. Von Restorff (talk) 14:30, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

The answer below from John of Reading clearly shows that the comments that Von Restorff refers to no longer apply: there may well have been a technical problem several years ago when the comments were made but this external site has obviously overcome that. Lineslarge (talk) 15:55, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

You may have more success at the technical village pump or on wikitech-l. I don't have the faintest idea how to update that special page, but I suspect it requires sysadmin intervention, and those places are good starting points for that. --NYKevin @886, i.e. 20:15, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Dead-end pages which have been tagged with {{Dead end}} are listed at Category:Dead-end pages (238 of them). Dead-end pages which have not been tagged can be listed using the tool described at Wikipedia:Deadend pages#Toolserver (767 of them). -- John of Reading (talk) 09:18, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Ok, well John of Reading's answer certainly gives a workaround and I will use that external resource to find the pages for now. Someone outside of Wikipedia has obviously solved this. Back to my original question then: can the Special:DeadendPages be fixed so it updates automatically? Lineslarge (talk) 15:55, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

No. It was disabled because it used too many server resources - see here. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:27, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

complaint against biju rasheed

hi I want to complaint against biju rasheed he is from varrakal kerala,phone number is(REMOVED PHONE NUMBER) he make fake id in the name of roma asrani and put my photo my pic and number in his photo album with nude picture kindly block tht id — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.73.45.193 (talk) 14:02, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 3.8 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck.Template:Z25 TNXMan 14:18, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Ugh

I see "improve this page" blocking the lower-right hand corner of the Google article... 71.175.53.239 (talk) 14:15, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

I do not see that. Have you tried adjusting your display -perhaps that is the cause of the issue. TNXMan 14:20, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

No Tnxman307, this bug is a feature. This location for the WP:AFT5 is a terrible idea, but the AFT1 was much much worse. screenshot Von Restorff (talk) 14:22, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

For those who (like me) have the AFT thingummy turned off, this is what the OP means. Deor (talk) 16:19, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

??? Von Restorff (talk) 17:16, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Unable to locate article

I created an article without an account for the Cardigan Bay Special Area of Conservation. The editing team then asked me to input further references for it to be approved. I have done this and re-sent for approval but it has not been published and I don't know how to find the article again in the editing bit. How would I know who to ask whether it has been approved and can I find a way back to the article I wrote? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.83.155.213 (talk) 14:17, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Do you mean this? Von Restorff (talk) 14:19, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

I got two warning notices

Hi, I am trying to write some biography pages for scholars in law-and-society. I got two warning notices -- one for "Carol Heimer" and one for "Susan Hirsch". The "Heimer" one said I needed to put in more refs, and I did, but it still seems to have a warning on it? and the "Hirsch" one said it had too much promotional material, so I took off some external links (which I personally think would be helpful, but I removed them anyway). What else should I do, and how can I get the warnings taken off of those pages? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thepeanut2 (talk • contribs) 16:25, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

If by "Warning notices" you mean the page top boxes saying that "the article reads like an advert" or that "the article needs to be cleaned up" etc.; they aren't strictly "warnings". They are observations by other editors that work should ideally be done to the articles to improve them. Do what you can to improve the articles with the templates messages in mind, then when you feel the article doesn't suffer from the issues highlighted, just remove the template from the page (usually the template will have been placed at the very top of the page or section it refers to). fredgandt 16:40, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thepeanut2 (talk • contribs) 16:54, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Why does redirect point to an old/obsolete page???

I've noticed this: For example if there is a page for SomeLongName, but there is a redirect page for it called Shortcut. Now if I click on SomeLongName I always get the current version with the latest edits. But if I click on Shortcut, it always redirects me to an old version of SomeLongName and not the current version. I've tried purges, etc. Nothing worked. Why? I thought a redirect should always send the reader to the current article... Thanks. Useroipho (talk) 16:52, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Shortcut is a disambiguation page not a redirect. If you are using "Shortcut" symbolically, please refer to one or more specific pages. —teb728 t c 16:58, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

It's caused by caching on Wikipedia's servers for performance reasons. "always" is an exaggeration but it's common for unregistered users on redirects. Your account was created 8 minutes before your post so I guess your experiences are as unregistered. Purging ought to work but make sure you are purging the redirect url and not the target page. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:13, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Edititing page title

Hello, I am trying to set up a page for an Artist Lucien Smith, i have it saved in my sandbox not quiet ready to submit.

i have one issue, there is already a page for a "Lucien Smith" who is an Attorney. It looks as if the page was created to promote the Attorney while he ran for Treasurer last year.

i am wondering how and if i can change his page title to Lucien Smith (Attorney)

in order to create a page for Lucien Smith

please let me know if this is possible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lazlo718 (talk • contribs) 17:05, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

You wouldn't. You would move your draft to Lucien Smith (artist), assuming that it meets the relevant inclusion criteria. – ukexpat (talk) 17:23, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Please also take a look at WP:CREATIVE for guidance on notability. – ukexpat (talk) 17:27, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

SOPA Sucks

As a user of your service, I thank you for your continued opposition of H.R. 3261, the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA), and S. 968, the Preventing Real Online Threats to Economic Creativity and Theft of Intellectual Property Act (PROTECT-IP). I implore you to consider one-half or full-day of restricted site access to your global services in protest of the aforementioned bills in the way that news-sharing site Reddit plans for January 18th between 8am–8pm U.S. Eastern Time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pylonx (talk • contribs) 17:29, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Appreciated, but the Help Desk probably isn't going to be the place where most run across this message. Calabe1992 17:32, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

If you really want to discuss a blackout or other action, go to WP:SOPA, and note that new users may carry less weight than established users (I know it's unfair, but it's just how the politics here work out). --NYKevin @838, i.e. 19:06, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Search facility

Although Juan Vicente de Güemes Pacheco de Padilla y Horcasitas, Second Count of Revillagigedo is listed among the "Viceroys of New Spain" in Wikipedia, entering "Revillagigedo," (the name by which he is best known) in your opening search facility does not lead to this entry. Why not? How can this be corrected? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.19.19.50 (talk) 18:29, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

It looks to me like the word could refer to either Count of Revilla Gigedo. In any case, I think a hatnote would suffice, but I'm unsure where to direct users. --NYKevin @875, i.e. 20:00, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

"Revillagigedo" by itself could refer to the count, or to his father (also a viceroy of New Spain); to any of the three geographical features named for him, to the palace in Gijón of that name, or to the fish native to the Revillagigedo Islands. This calls for what we call a disambiguation page for the word "Revillagigedo" without qualifier. I have created such a page at Revillagigedo. --Orange Mike | Talk 20:13, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Eaton Bay Financial

Eaton Bay Financial-- understand this investment company was sold back in the 1986 time frame. Would like to know to whom and the present owner ,if any , as to its disposition — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jjkilburn. (talk • contribs) 18:34, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

This page is for questions about using Wikipedia. Please consider asking this question at the Wikipedia:Reference desk. They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. You could always try searching Wikipedia for an article related to the topic you want to know more about. I hope this helps. --NYKevin @850, i.e. 19:24, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Photo Removed

I added a photo for an article I wrote about Susan Ershler and it was removed.Why? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Reliablecyber (talk • contribs) 18:35, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Is this the file you're talking about?

File:Susan Ershler.jpg (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

According to the logs, the first time you uploaded it, you did not fill in the non-free use rationale, and the second time you failed to specify a source. For reasons of copyright, every file must have a source specified. Additionally, files which are not available freely must have a detailed non-free use rationale -- basically an explanation of why we need to use an unfree file. If you took this picture yourself, you should release it under a free license, such as one listed at WP:ICT/FL (as there are a lot of options there, I would recommend picking one of the Creative Commons licenses, particularly cc-by-3.0 or cc-by-sa-3.0, but it's up to you), if you want it to be accepted. If it belongs to someone else, follow the non-free use guidelines. --NYKevin @833, i.e. 18:59, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Addendum: In this case it looks like the non-free use was rejected because Susan Ershler is still alive, so someone could go and take a free image of her. In that case, you may not be allowed to use that image unless you can show that someone taking a free image of her is unlikely to happen. --NYKevin @835, i.e. 19:02, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Contributing a photo which is relevant to an encyclopedia article already on Wikipedia

Hello, I have at various times consulted Wikipedia, but this is the first time I have ventured into the "inner workings". I have been teaching myself to use Photoshop (I have the full commercial version 7 from '02, as well as the latest {v.10} PS Elements). For source material, I have been looking around The Library of Congress picture collections, and out of the thousands I have studied, there are about 75 that I've downloaded in .tif format, each file being between 20 & 30 MB. Yesterday I found a very nice shot, needing very little (compared to what I've seen) restoration of two streamlined steam passenger trains running side-by-side over a stone viaduct, dated c. 1939. I was intrigued because upon close inspection I saw that one locomotive was British, the other American. Googling the British loco got me to Wikipedia URL en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LMS.Princess_Coronation_Class_6220_Coronation

The information in the Wiki article both satisfied my curiosity and answered my question about how an American and British train could be running together: The British locomotive was in the USA on a tour in connection with the World's Fair in New York. The photo I found was apparently taken during the tour. It would make a dandy illustration for an article that currently has none, and is directly related to statements within the article. I have literally just this moment signed up for a Wikipedia account, and am very interested in taking part wherever I can, but am presently totally overwhelmed with the sheer volume of information to absorb. I don't know where to start. I have all the relevant info about the photo, including the statement on it's web page within the LOC that there are "no known restrictions on publication". Could you please point me in the right direction so I could make this photo part of the article? Thanks very much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xgi93 (talk • contribs) 19:18, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

It would be helpful if you could tell us precisely when the image was published, if ever (remember: publication and creation are separate things). Is it an orphan work? If so, this may be rather complicated; although there may be no known restrictions, there could still be unknown restrictions which we still need to comply with. I would recommend starting at our page on public domain images, but note that you may not be able to contribute the image if it turns out to still be copyrighted. I'm sorry that it's so complex, but copyright law is very messy. On the other hand, if it is copyrighted, you may still be able to contribute it under our non-free content rules, but those are a lot more stringent (the image has to be actually, currently useful as well as impossible to replace with a free equivalent). Finally, if it does turn out to be public domain, please upload it at Wikimedia Commons instead of here, so that other projects and languages can also use the image (Commons doesn't accept non-free content). --NYKevin @861, i.e. 19:39, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Please Consider Helping

SOPA/PIPA are very dangerous and threatening to the internet. Please consider joining many websites Jauary 18th by either blacking out the site or putting an informational banner across the top of every page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.11.52.17 (talk) 19:19, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but this page is for questions regarding using Wikipedia. You may want to post your request at the village pump. TNXMan 19:25, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

See WP:SOPA. – ukexpat (talk) 19:27, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Formatting error on Wikipedia Page

I noticed a formatting error on at Arab Citizens of Israel. When I tried to fix it, I was unable too as it was some sort of bizarre error I'd never seen before. Could someone take a look at it or at least let me know how to fix it. Thanks. Oneworld25 (talk)

Sorry, that article is very long and I have no idea where the formatting error is. Is [4] relevant (I know that's not you...)? Can you describe the error at all (was it big red ugly text in the middle of the article, for example?)? --NYKevin @890, i.e. 20:20, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Does this fix it? (I assumed that the three citations were supposed to be to the same reference.) – ukexpat (talk) 20:40, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

The error been fixed. It was under the section about Arabic and Hebrew as official languages. Sorry I wasn't more specific.Oneworld25 (talk)

Request assistance:Moving a category

Hi, administrators

Please help moving Category:Television adaptation of The Legend of the Condor Heroes to Category:Television adaptations of The Legend of the Condor Heroes. Thanks you--NeoBatfreak (talk) 22:11, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Maybe a passing admin will do that, otherwise you will have to request it at Categories for discussion. – ukexpat (talk) 22:21, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Admins can't move categories (no-one can - the contents of a category can be moved to a new category and the original deleted, but that requires editing the articles not the category). I have added the request for renaming and Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Speedy where, if there are no issues, a bot will carry out the article changes to sort out the category in 48 hours or so. Sit back and relax, NeoBatfreak! Bencherlite^Talk 22:24, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

User name change went wrong!

Resolved

I got my name Ursurped and it seems my contributions went to the name JayJay but my username is still technically JDOG55, because all my contributions where moved JDOG555 has no edits and I cannot use twinkle. I would like to contact this User but it is locked please help me! JDOG555 (talk) 23:52, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

You need to log out and log back in as "JayJay" with the same password as before. Goodvac (talk) 23:55, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Both accounts will now have the same password and the same email address attached to it as your original account. The old one would be a redirect to the usurped account by default. You should now use the new one with the same password as suggested by Goodvac. Everything's normal. --lTopGunl (talk) 00:03, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

• I see the user now has new contributions (marked as resolved). --lTopGunl (talk) 01:18, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

January 13

Is it gluten-free?

Is cornflour gluten free? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.37.142.170 (talk) 01:11, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

If it has no wheat flour mixed in, then yes. Gluten is a product created when wheat flour mixes with water. Some close relatives of wheat, like barley, also produce gluten, but other flours like corn flour and soy flour have no gluten. The article Gluten-free diet has a list of common flours that are also gluten-free. --Jayron32 01:23, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Gluten is a generic term to refer to most grain proteins. Corn contains gluten. Confusion is generated by the public refering to only certain grain proteins as gluten. This is incorrect usage. Wheat gluten is gliadin and other grain glutens have more specific names. This usage confusion has become common and is used by celiac sufferers, also. The problem glutens for celiac disease people are: wheat (and related grains like spelt), barley (malts usually made from this), rye, and oats, although not containing offending gluten, are usually contaminated by wheat from shared processing facilties and proximity of growth within hundreds of km. from wheat fields. Corn and rice are the usual grains consumed by celiac suferrers. 99.251.114.120 (talk) 02:19, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

I'm afraid the Wikipedia article titled Gluten directly contradicts what you have to say on this matter. To whit: "True gluten, with gliadin and glutenin, is limited to certain members of the grass family. The stored proteins of maize and rice are sometimes called glutens, but their proteins differ from gluten." --Jayron32 02:28, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

I can only find references to the food industry uing the terms rice gluten and corn gluten at this time. The US government uses the terms in many documents. I will have to consult technical texts to look further as the research has been tainted with celiac misinformation. I was informed years back by research people for the basis of my statements above. I place no faith in wikipedia's accuracy on technical matters of this kind and misinformtion tends to spread rapidly on the Web. Next thing you know it's in a dictionary and then it has to be the truth [sarc] 99.251.114.120 (talk) 05:53, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Is this a scam

Quick request:  Wikipedia is considering going dark to protest SOPA and PIPA, the Internet censorship bills.   It'd be huge news, jar rank-and-file Internet users out of complacency, and serve as a turning point in the effort to beat these bills.   Will you encourage Wikipedia to protest censorship by going dark?  Just click here.   And you can use these links to ask your friends to join the cause:   If you're already on Facebook, click here to share with your friends. If you're already on Twitter, click here to tweet about the campaign: Tweet     Thanks!   Demand Progress

Is this legit? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yan100 (talk • contribs) 03:51, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Some kind of off wiki canvassing for the proposal. --lTopGunl (talk) 03:54, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Verification

i have given refrences of some of his students who have taken traing under this man and some newspaper articles. I have incorporated images that are proof for the same what else should i provide for the verification — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.30.49.77 (talk) 04:01, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

What article are you refering to? —teb728 t c 06:39, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Sorry for inconvenience I have done an unintentional mistake on one of your pages.

To Wikipedia Help desk team members

While reading the page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Amman_bombings) in the section of The Attacks Subsection 1.2 i.e. Grand Hyatt Hotel was deleted accidentally. By mitake I clicked the [edit] icon and at the same time I don't know how I clicked the save icon. But as it appears First I have sellected the subsection 1.2 or deleted the part and then by wrong touch I have saved the changes. For me it was very strange and funny but it happened. All happened in one second and I couldn't do anything.

Please return the Subsection of [Grand Hyatt Hotel] again.

Sorry for inconvenience. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.104.46.146 (talk) 04:10, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

It is fixed. GB fan 04:12, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Redirect problem

There's a common problem with early aircraft (the area I mainly edit in) where an aircraft article is misnamed and cannot be movedbecause there is a rediect page with the proper name. I vaguely know how to do this, by requesting an admin to blow the redirect away, but not exactly. So I go to wiki:redirectfor illumination & and get a page on an external page. Wassup, doc?TheLongTone (talk) 06:54, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Follow the directions at Wikipedia:Requested moves#Requesting technical moves. Goodvac (talk) 07:00, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

If the redirect page has only one version, you can just move to the redirect. —teb728 t c 07:06, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Cheers, both for the link to the proper way of doing this & for the quick n'dirty workaround. but I am curios as to why following th elink on a wp page gts me [[5]]. I noticed it last night, & it's still happening.TheLongTone (talk) 07:43, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Which link from which page is getting you there? - David Biddulph (talk) 08:13, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Hmmm, now it seems to be sorted I can't find it again....., sorry. The snark was a boojumTheLongTone (talk) 08:46, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Whatever the page, the link would be Wiki:redirect. Some people mistakenly associate "Wiki" with Wikipedia. (See "Wiki" in Meta:Interwiki map.) —teb728 t c 09:29, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Ah, yes. So perhaps the OP intended to go to WP:Redirect, instead of wiki:redirect? - David Biddulph (talk) 15:58, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Worm

Hello I ave noticed that you are now sending header adverts in worm. Please desist. I may be in Saudi Arabia, but that is even more reason to object receiving rubbish in worm from outside. Thank you.

I don't understand worm in this context. Please explain. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 11:39, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Since Wikipedia doesn't send any adverts, ever, in any form, I think you must either not be talking about Wikipedia, or else your own system has some malware. It is possible you might get some help from the Wikipedia computing reference desk, but you will need to be a lot more specific about what the problem is. --ColinFine (talk) 14:09, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

We had that ugly banner asking for donations... Von Restorff (talk) 14:17, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

How to load images and link it with a new article created

Dear Wikipedia Team,

I just submitted a new article created for our company. As I went through the Article Wizard in creating the article, I was not able to find an information on how to upload the resort images to link it with the text I submitted for the article. The idea is to put some images on my article such as few of our villa categories, restaurants and leisure facilities.

Looking forward to hear from you.

Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Information.irufushi (talk • contribs) 11:09, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi, you can find the manual here: Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Images. You can upload an image by following this link (<-- click) and then place it in the article as described in the manual. Please read the information before uploading and note that you are releasing the images under a licence, meaning that third parties can also use it. Sincerely, Taketa (talk) 11:13, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Before uploading images, you should read the notability criteria for companies and explain why your resort hotel is notable. Wikipedia is not to be used to advertise your business. Simply supplying a web address and its distance from various other attractions does not make an encyclopedia article. Your user name is also in breach of Wikipedia's policy on usernames and you have a very obvious conflict of interest when it come to writing about your resort hotel. Astronaut (talk) 11:58, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

In fairness, there was a lot more in the article than that - at least until I discovered it was a copy-paste job from Facebook and a couple of other places, and blanked the offending material per WP:AFCR... `Yunshui 雲‍水 23:29, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Reported to WP:UAA as a WP:SPAMNAME. – ukexpat (talk) 15:09, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

About size of articles

Hello. How can I find out size of article in English version Wikipidia? Thanks. What'sGoingOn (talk) 11:10, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi, the English Wikipedia has 3.8 million articles. For individual pages you can find the size by clicking the "View History" button on the top of the page (or alternatively, there is an arrow, click the arrow and then click view history). Behind the edits it states the number of bytes. Sincerely, Taketa (talk) 11:17, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

You go to the history tab. --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 11:59, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Warning function

Is there such a function that warns people not to enter a large page before the page itself loads? This might be helpful if the article is large and that the browser might crash. --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 12:03, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

I doubt it. It sounds more like a problem with your browser. Can you please give us an example of such an article?--Shantavira|^{feed me} 18:57, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

My userpage was 245k in size, and people were complaining that it was crashing their broswers. I want to keep it, and I'd like a function that warns people to enter at their own risk. --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 00:59, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Sorry but such a warning is totally nonsensical. According to gtmetrix.com the size is 367KB in 32 requests. If you want to be nice to people using TOR or living in countries with bad internet access you could probably shave a few seconds off their loading time, but explaining people that netscape navigator 3 is going to crash does not make sense, because that problem has nothing to do with you or your userpage. A random youtubemovie is 396KB in 11 requests... if you exclude the actual movie! I am able to load your usertalkpage on Win98SE in Internet Exploder 6.0 (7.7% of the world still uses IE6, a browser that is ten years old, especially in developing countries). My advice would be to ask the people who complain to download Mozilla Firefox or Google Chrome. Von Restorff (talk) 06:14, 14 January 2012 (UTC) p.s. You could put a link on your userpage to an alternative talkpage that contains as little as possible, but that does not solve the problem for people with shitty browsers.

How about moving (most of) the content to one or more subpages, linked from your user page -- and then warning people before they link to those pages. —teb728 t c 07:44, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

VIRUS IN TETRAHYDRAFURAN ARTICLE WHEN CONVERTED TO PDF

MICROSOFT SHAREPOINT REPORTS THE FOLLOWING VIRUS IN PDF "THF.pdf" contains the following virus: "VIRUS= HTML/Agent.NJ (Norman); Tagged ID: 30874986_88AB_4C04_85B3_41022736B8F2" . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.78.17.253 (talk) 15:21, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 3.8 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck.Template:Z25 Astronaut (talk) 17:17, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Tetrahydrofuran is clearly the article reported. Downloading the article as a pdf is clearly when the problem is seen, and "HTML/Agent.NJ" is revealed by a simple Googling to be in some way linked to Trojans. If I were the OP, I think I would be less than pleased to be handed a template suggesting I might not know where I am. If I knew more about the possibilities of trojans hitching a ride in pdfs created from Wikipedia articles, I'd make suggestions or attempt to track and fix the problem, but I am simply not clued up enough to tackle this issue. Maybe someone else can. fredgandt 18:04, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Well, it was a bit of work but I am able to replicate the issue. What I did is downloading the article as a PDF and uploading the PDF to virustotal.com. The virusscanner Norman (version 6.07.13 virusdefinitions 20120113) detected HTML/Agent.NJ. I do not know if it is a false positive. Von Restorff (talk) 23:09, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Could the virus be at the other end of one of the external links, and the scanning software is reading through the link (like AVG LinkScanner (and others))? I can't see how a virus could be hidden in the article (I did check the page)(or any for that matter), since any active code is deloused on parsing. fredgandt 23:26, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

My guess is that it is a false positive (probably the image that contains a string that makes the virusscanner think it found a virus) but I am not sure. I did download and run it in a sandbox but there were no outbound connection made and I saw nothing suspicious (but I have the latest version of the PDF reader which may be immume). Von Restorff (talk) 23:37, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

You know? I completely forgot images could carry viruses. I am so off the ball right now it just isn't funny. Like you say though, more than likely a false positive or a proactive fallacy  fredgandt 23:51, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Is this acceptable

A user User:MilkStraw532 seems to be creating a large number of biographies with questionable notability and many already have orphan tags. I am unsure whether these overstep the mark and whether some action is needed. Does anyone else share my concerns? JMcC (talk) 15:31, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

According to this, MilkStraw532 has not created any pages. What pages are you concerned about? GB fan 15:40, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

From his edit history, he/she seems to have tagged some pages with orphan tags, created various talk pages to post on them, and made edits to a lot of fairly obscure biographical articles. None of these actions seem to warrant concern. Perhaps the OP is confusing creation of talk pages with the creation of articles. --Colapeninsula (talk) 15:47, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

native speaker review wanted for pointing machine

Hello, some time ago I wrote the article pointing machine. It is in need of a review by a native speaker, since inevitably some incorrect wording or style will have crept in. How or where do I apply for this? It is not intended as a featured article. Not important enough, I'd say... Satrughna (talk) 16:58, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

This was probably a good place to ask. I'll have a look at it this weekend for you. Brammers (talk/c) 09:59, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Thank you!!! Satrughna (talk) 13:51, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Best way to display alternative years of birth

Margaret of Anjou was born on either 23 March 1429 or 23 March 1430. There is no clear consensus in sources re the correct year. The article currently states 1430 but it should somehow say "23 March 1429 or 1430" as DOB. Is there an agreed format in which alternatives of this type should be displayed; and which WP guideline is relevant? Thanks. --Jim Hardie (talk) 19:33, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

"23 March 1429 or 1430", with a representative reliable source for each date, properly footnoted, should suffice. Be bold but also be willing to discuss it on the article talk page if someone objects. --Jayron32 19:38, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, Jayron. That was a very quick response. --Jim Hardie (talk) 19:40, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Marcin Kasprzak

A Google news search will reveal that today a Polish man named as above was convicted in the UK of attempting to murder his girlfriend by burying her alive. This has been widely reported and I'm sure I'm not the only person who has looked to Wikipedia for info on the topic. However, the wiki article for that name:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcin_Kasprzak

is about a 19th century Polish revolutionary, not a 21st century Polish attempted murderer! So, this leads to my questions. First - does this case satisfy wp:n i.e. is it worth creating an article about it? Secondly, how do we go about having the existing article renamed ("Marcin Kasprzak (revolutionary)?) if this new Marcin Kasprzak is sufficiently notable? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.163.147.195 (talk) 19:56, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Generally cases such as these are not notable, see WP:BLP1E. Nanonic (talk) 20:00, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the swift response! Guess I'll have to find something else to do with my evening hehe ;) 86.163.147.195 (talk) 20:02, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

wikitable, cellspacing, cellpadding

In order to offer to the reader a extensible overview of the Chilean regions, provinces and comunes I want to edit such a table:

Arica and Parinacota Region (XIV), Capital Arica, 2336 Habs. 4645km2
Arica Province, Capital Arica, AricaX Habs. AricaX km2 Camarones 3,927 1,220 link Arica 4,799 185,268 link
Parinacota Province , Capital Putre, Putrex Habs. PutreX km2 Putre 5,903 1,977 link General Lagos 2,244 1,179 link

I want that the inner and the outer table have the same width, (+/- one or two pixels). I tried it with cellpadding=0 and cellspacing=0 at many places, but it doesn't work.

Can any one say how to get rid of the paddings?--Best regards, Keysanger (what?) 21:38, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

I've removed the outer margins from the inner tables in your example (above), but am not exactly certain it is stylistically correct per Wikipedia:Manual of Style guidelines. fredgandt 23:43, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

How do I create a page?

There is no "Create A Page" option in the Wikipedia. I cannot find the option in any other wiki, too! Wikipedia, can you add it? Help me! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.152.104.131 (talk) 22:30, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Article wizard, Wikipedia:Starting an article and Wikipedia:Your first article. However, you must register for an account before you can create articles.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:32, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

That IS Paul McCartney In The Nickelback Rockstar Video

I am a huge Classic Rock fan and I have been a huge Beatles fan as long as I can remember and I just want to let you guys know that it really IS Paul McCartney in the Nickelback music video for thier song Rockstar. I don't know where you guys get your information but anybody with half a brain will tell you that is him. You need to fix it or prove otherwise — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skaarjeff (talk • contribs) 22:38, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

The proper place to discuss the article is its talk page. This help desk is for help with the general use of Wikipedia and its editing tools etc. Thanks. fredgandt 22:57, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

You have it backwards. This is an encyclopedia, a tertiary source that properly synthesizes already published material. For that reason we have a verifiability policy which requires that when any information is added and challenged, the burden is on the person wishing to keep the material to show through citation to a reliable source that the information is verifiable. You may be dead right that it is Paul McCartney but that information has been challenged, and so of you want that information to be included, please find a reliable source verifying it. If you do and need help citing it, report back here and we will help.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:50, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

January 14

How to contact a user when he appears to not read talk pages (even his own)?

If I'd like to discuss concerns about content that a specific user keeps adding to an article and I'm reasonably sure that this person doesn't read any discussion/non-main page (not even their own talk page), how would I contact them in such a situation? It's not that the edits this user is making are in bad faith, I just don't understand why they're doing what they're doing, and I wish to discuss it with them. Is there any way to contact a user in main space without vandalizing an article? (I thought about an edit notice but had no idea if it would be appropriate since I can't find any stipulations about their use.) - Purplewowies (talk) 00:24, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

If you're reverting them or making other edits to the page you can try using edit summaries to direct them to the talk. It's pretty hard to miss the user talk page banner that appears when you have new messages, so if the editor is being willfully uncommunicative, eventually they'll need to be blocked. As long as you've tried communicating, just go to the next step which is probably one of those administrator noticeboards. — Bility (talk) 00:43, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Seconded. He/she's seeing          this         . You're being ignored, willfully.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 01:04, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

DYK messup on my part.

I was nominating a new article on the 1887 Halloween tropical storm, but I made a mistype and the nomination page has become messed up. Can anybody help with finding out how to fix it? The page is here [6] Hurricane Angel Saki (talk) 01:23, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Made some changes and put it here. Everything look good now? — Bility (talk) 01:33, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

How do you stop a merger?

Someone posted that the Gosport and Fareham Inshore Rescue Service article should be merged with an article about the town it is based in. Several people have opposed the merger on the talk page, but how do you actually reject and close the proposal? 85.158.139.101 (talk) 01:29, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

I closed it. — Bility (talk) 01:41, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Inciting edit warring

Can gentle nudging be made to an editor (I have no idea how to not get banished or other threats in retort, if attempt this) Walkabout12 regarding his edit summaries? This editor makes many reverts with no explanaations to explain why. He also has inserted nasty comments on user pages with ad hominem attacks. This deters editors from making improvements, for sure, and appears to provoke emotional response from editors, giving no explanation for his reverts or warnings. People need reasons otherwise editors appear to be stalking or harrasing them. In view of his wiki participation he is most liekely in good faith but needs anudge or maybe his style needs a review. Perceived provoking of editors does not promote good growth. 99.251.114.120 (talk) 02:31, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Two things: 1) This is not the correct place to report problems of this nature. Try WP:WQA instead. 2) When you do report it there, please provide diffs which provide evidence that there is a problem. --Jayron32 02:37, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Dictionary built into Wikipedia?

While using my Kindle Fire, I was reading a Wikipedia article which contained a hyperlink on a particular word within the article. I am not sure how I did this but, upon tapping on the hyperlink (or doing something like this), I was taken to a page with the definition of the word instead of the Wikipedia entry for this word. Sometimes I wish to only know the definition of a word within a Wikipedia article rather than looking at the entire Wikipedia page on this word, so I thought that this trick was quite nice. The problem is, I don't know how I brought up the definition as I did this by accident. Does anyone know if there is a dictionary built into Wikipedia and, if so, what I might have done to stumble upon it? Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.126.66.215 (talk) 04:51, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

You were probably directed to Wiktionary. The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 04:55, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Some articles contain embedded links to Wiktionary entries, and it is hard to tell them apart. For example, grain is a link to a Wikipedia article, and grain is a link to Wiktionary. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:35, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

New Accounts from abroad

Morning, Is it possible to open a HSBC Bank account as a South African citizen? Have deposits put into it in Canada/USA.

Regards Richard — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.242.247.171 (talk) 05:10, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

They have branches in, for example, Johannesburg and Cape Town. Von Restorff (talk) 10:16, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

adding to the lexicon

I've coined some new words - terms of indearment for my dogs, actually - that are being used in my group of peers as affectionate references towards their partners etc. I've written a short piece explaining all this and included some of these new terms. Just for fun could you tell how would I start a conversation about spreading the use of these new words amongst the wikipedia community or at least finding out if people like them? Cheers Chris — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.73.16.150 (talk) 05:34, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

I'm afraid that Wikipedia isn't created for your purpose of "adding to the lexicon". See Wikipedia:No original research for the Wikipedia policy on this. Perhaps you could find some internet forum to use your new words in. --Jayron32 05:41, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, Wikipedia is not for things made up one day. Von Restorff (talk) 05:57, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

My pages have been hounded

Dear Team Recently my pages have been hounded unfairly and inarticulately - by LondonClanger - I am wondering if you can ask him to desist form sabotages our pages connected to Darryl Read as he seems to be making a hobby of it! There also further pages just deleted - which looks like robot work deletion - these pages are: Remember a Day (2000 film), and The Orange Illusion, these pages are legit in all ways. Link for Remember a Day: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0279367/ as well as all references, I noted that user Michael Schimdt - has offered to help with the restoration of the Remember a Day page.

This is tiresome work, when users try to sabotage legitimate historical works out of sheer maliciousness, I hope that Wiki find a remedy for this in the near future.

Thanks for your help in this matter sincerely Catwizard777 (Clive Zone) — Preceding unsigned comment added by CatWizard777 (talk • contribs) 08:17, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia does not aim to have a page on every film, but only those that other people have already written about in reliable sources such as books, news reports and such like. An IMDb entry is not enough by itself - I can't see the deleted articles, so I can't comment in detail. This page gives a useful summary; there's lots more at Wikipedia:Notability and Wikipedia:Notability (films).

Could you explain why you use the phrase "our pages"? Is this account being used by more than one person, or on behalf of a group or organisation of some kind? -- John of Reading (talk) 08:45, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

I agree. Not every subject that exists is eligible for an article on Wikipedia: Articles must meet our standards of notability. It wasn’t just LondonClanger who caused the deletion of your articles: They were discussed at WP:Articles for deletion/Remember a Day (2000 film) and WP:Articles for deletion/The Orange Illusion, and the consensus was that the subjects did not meet our notability standards. —teb728 t c 08:56, 14 January 2012 (UTC) Also, IMDb is not necessarily considered a reliable source; see WP:IMDB. —teb728 t c 09:37, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

I notice that here you sign as “Catwizard777 (Clive Zone)”, but on your user talk page you sign as “Darryl Read (catwizard777)”. Does this mean that your account is used by more than one person? If so, I’m sorry, but sharing an account is not permitted. —teb728 t c 10:09, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

I informed LondonClanger about this discussion. Von Restorff (talk) 10:11, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Not offered Edit links when looking at most recent Diff

Up until today, when I look at the most recent Diff - the changes made between the current version and the previous version, I was offered an Edit link at the start of each section. Now I'm not offered those Edit links.

I see the Edit links on each section when I look at the whole article but it was easier to edit before.

Has something changed? SteveCrook (talk) 09:44, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Yes, and bug 33671 has been logged. See this thread. -- John of Reading (talk) 09:56, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Can't find the article I submitted about H.T. Lockard

Several days ago I submitted an article on H.T. Lockard, an African American jurist who had recently died, but ignorantly, I was not aware of the requirement that I must first register with Wikipedia. I have now registered. Is that article that I submitted lost? Should I submit a second one? Slidhome (talk) 10:14, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

You submitted it here (click on the "Show" link). It was rejected because you submitted it as a Category rather than as an Article. —teb728 t c 10:37, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

under The Mistletoe

On the page of Justin bieber's song under the mistletoe. the name of the girl in the music video is missing. And some one is delating it whenever i edit it. the name of the girl is 'Ali Williams'. Pls add thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.203.45.0 (talk) 11:11, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Both the articles Justin Bieber and Under the Mistletoe are semi-protected, so that only registered users can edit them. If you have a change you would like to make to Under the Mistletoe you can suggest it at Talk:Under the Mistletoe - but be aware that any such information will only be added if you can point to a reliable source which gives the information: original research is not acceptable in Wikipedia. --ColinFine (talk) 15:45, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

What have I done wrong to the reference tags?

Hello,

I am trying to edit the Bill Drummond page but the following message has appeared:

"Cite error: There are tags on this page, but the references will not show without a

template or a tag; see the help page".

I cannot see where the problem is though. The last reference is coded </ref> I believe.

Perhaps I inadvertently deleted the entire reference list?! If so, can we get it back?

Thank you. Katrinacrear (talk) 12:11, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

I have fixed it. There was a <!-- that began an HTML comment, but no --> to close it. This made the rest of the text disappear. -- John of Reading (talk) 12:19, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Images setting by %age

I've been trying to improve the structure of an article, but all the images are exceedingly their section limit in the widescreen, while no such problem exist in smaller screen. The images usually range between 150px to 200px. Is their any way to set images by percentage or something so that they occupy same space/width in every sized screen or any other solution for this problem? Thanks. September88 (talk) 11:54, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Still cannot find my submission on H.T. Lockard

I would like to properly submit the information as an article, then. But I cannot find it. The info on that page was already in a "show"mode and there was a long list of articles. But not mine. Help me. Slidhome (talk) 12:03, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Go to Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Redirects/2012-01, find entry number 132 in the table of contents and expand that section to see your text. -- John of Reading (talk) 12:15, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

symbols

I really hope you can help.when I was youg I have always seen these THREE symbols together but not. the syembols are {the CIRCLE} wich is the outer ring then { the SQUARE} inside the CIRCLE but NOT touching.THen there is { the TRIANGLE }inside the SQUARE, but not touching.I beleave it has to do with the anciants but can you please verify this for me? THANK YOU for your time ANTHONY HEDGECOKE — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.47.153.132 (talk) 15:48, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

This page is for questions about using Wikipedia. Please consider asking this question at the Humanities reference desk. They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link and ask away. You could always try searching Wikipedia for an article related to the topic you want to know more about. I hope this helps.-- Obsidi♠n Soul 16:08, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

DISCUSSION v. TALK page

Why have the discussion tabs been changed to talk tabs? I preferred "discussion." Is this jut temporary? 98.221.125.119 (talk) 16:44, 14 January 2012 (UTC)