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May 1

Contacting author(s)

I have a specific question regarding a lesser known American figurehead, Frank Hatton. My question for the help desk is; I'm assuming whom ever helped write the page on Frank Hatton may know more about the gentleman. Is there any way of contacting the author(s) of this page? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.133.240.239 (talk) 00:44, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

For every article on Wikipedia, such as Frank Hatton (American politician), there is a corresponding talk page, such as Talk:Frank Hatton (American politician), where you can post questions related to improving the article. You can also click "View history" to see each of the editors that helped write the article, and contact them on their User talk page. You could also try posting your question on Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities. Good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 01:00, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Of course, you can also investigate the references at the bottom of an article, as they may lead you to the information you're looking for. GoingBatty (talk) 01:02, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Please review an article I created

Hello, I created an article for Regulation H. It was present in the requested article list and I happen to know about it. I have put it for review. Can anyone help me? Here is the link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Regulation_H Thanking in anticipation.FZR2020 (talk) 01:49, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Just be patient. However, in the meantime, you might point out in the article that it is (I think) about the US. -- Hoary (talk) 01:55, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

informations

when you are finding out information of people where is it that you get the information from? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:E000:121A:5181:9026:A79C:1497:F787 (talk) 05:52, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

This is a good question, and the answer is important. Wikipedia aims to be based on reliable published sources, such as books and newspapers. Any statement that is not based on such a source is liable to be removed, particularly if it is contentious. Maproom (talk) 06:25, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

For more information, you might be interested in reading the guideline Wikipedia:Reliable sources. GoingBatty (talk) 12:28, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

my edits were reverted!

hi. I started Wikipedia as a new user this morning, and I added valid facts linked to the articles- Comics and Dc comics. But within several hours of my edits, I found them reverted by two users. I wish to know why my contributions were removed. thank you -thejuiceboxraider — Preceding unsigned comment added by Juiceboxraider (talk • contribs) 05:56, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Sorry that your experience hasn't got off to the best start. CycloneYoris (diff) and JasonAQuest (diff) don't give reasons for their reverts (which they should have, as your additions were clearly in good faith). However, your edits were nonetheless faulty, as they were unsourced, displayed poor grammar, were placed in the wrong sections, and duplicated information already present in the articles. That's fine; we don't expect new editors to everything right first time. You might like to try this tutorial to learn more about you can make helpful contributions. One more thing: when talking to other editors on talk pages or forums like this Help desk, please sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~) to ensure other editors know who said what. Hope you stick around! – Teratix ₵ 06:17, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

understood... sorry for the inconvenience. thank you for helping me out. Juiceboxraider (talk) 12:15, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Page

Good morning

Thanks for taking the time to read this message first and foremost.

I am a UEFA A License football coach, ex player for a professional club and also many non league sides.

I am now a professional coach, and ex 1st team scout for a league 1 club.

It’s purely from interest.

How and why have I never had a wiki page? I know people very similar to myself , that have. And wondered why I haven’t.

Any feedback would be great.

Regards

Mark Thompson — Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.252.129.132 (talk) 08:46, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello Mark, if you played or managed in a fully professional league (see WP:FPL for list of eligible leagues) and / or played in a competitive fixture between two fully professional clubs then technically you pass the criteria at the football notability guidelines. If that is the case then an article (not page) might be possible but it should be written by editors with no connection to yourself; there is no 'automatic' creation of articles and it may just be that no-one has got around to it yet. A request for an article to be created can be made at WP:RA. Cheers. Eagleash (talk) 09:01, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Attributing a CC license inside a reference

Hi, some sources have a Creative Commons license. I would like to include that CC status within the reference, but template:Cite web and template:Cite journal do not seem to provide parameters for that option (it could be CC=4 , for example). I can't find any help pages about it. How do I show that a reference is a CC source? TGCP (talk) 09:11, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, TGCP. Why would you want to show that? What difference does it make to anything how the source is licensed? --ColinFine (talk) 11:18, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi, why not? Wikipedia is itself an open source. We (also) cite to help users find additional information, and CC sources are making information more accessible; the source content can be easily included for further work, after evaluating the source quality. That's worth noting in the reflink. I see this as a further extension of wp:Citing sources#Convenience links, "open-access repository/green open access links are generally preferable to paywalled or otherwise commercial and unfree sources. TGCP (talk) 11:45, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

This question occurs occasionally at WT:CS1. The consensus there has been that licencing is not something that the cs1|2 templates need to support. All links in a cs1|2 citation are convenience links. All links in title-holding parameters (|title=, |chapter=, and the like) are presumed to be free-to-read unless marked otherwise with |url-access=, |chapter-url-access=, etc. Sources linked from the named identifiers (|doi=, |mr=, ...) are presumed to lie behind paywalls or registration barriers unless marked otherwise (|doi-access= and a select few other similar parameters).

The purpose of a citation is to help the reader locate the source that supports the content of an en.wiki article. How the source's copyright owner has licensed the work for distribution / reuse is not relevant except that editors here should not be linking to pirated copies of copyrighted material.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 13:19, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Translating Poetry

Hi, everyone. I am translating Milton's L'Allegro into another language. To describe the poem correctly some lines from the poem are also on the page. Should I translate these lines in that language too, of course, the original one will also stay or would it be exaggerating my translation Nanimus (talk) 10:47, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

@Nanimus: You should translate the quotes into the target language as readers may not understand English. You could look for similar articles in the target language to see whether it is usual to quote the original English as well. See Wikipedia:Translate us for further guidance. TSventon (talk) 11:21, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

If you're translating the article L'Allegro (with its quotations of the poem L'Allegro) into Turkish for the Turkish-language Wikipedia, then you should try to meet the standards required, or recommended, by Turkish-language Wikipedia, or your estimations of what's likely to be understood/wanted/appreciated by readers for whom Turkish is a first language (and most likely English is not). My own opinion is of little worth, but anyway: Although I like to think (or to delude myself) that I'm at least moderately literate, I find myself unable even to parse for example In Heav'n yclept Euphrosyne, / And by men, heart-easing Mirth, / Whom lovely Venus at a birth / With two sister Graces more / To ivy-crowned Bacchus bore. I mean, we've here got Euphrosyne, men, Mirth, Venus, birth, two sister Graces, and Bacchus; but I can't work out who among them bore whom or did what to whom. I doubt that your Turkish readers will understand either. -- Hoary (talk) 12:48, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) That's because, Hoary, you may be unaware of the disputed parentage of Mirth (lol). Plus you make it difficult for yourself by leaving out the first line: But come, thou Goddess fair and free, / In heaven yclept Euphrosyne, etc. Thus Milton calls upon heaven-named Euphrosyne, goddess of Mirth, one of the three graces and sister of Thalia and Aglaea (With two sister Graces more,) to decide whether heart-easing Mirth is the child born (bore) of lovely Venus and ivy-crowned Bacchus, Or—which lines you omit entirely, just as the L'Allegro article misleadingly does—whether (as some sager [i.e. wiser] sing) / Mirth is the offspring of The frolic wind that breathes the spring / namely Zephyr, with Aurora playing, / As he met her once a-Maying— And since it's still May Day today I won't take issue with the ghost of Milton over his scansion and rhyming of "the spring" and "a-Maying".

"Doctor Johnson has remarked that, in L'Allegro, " no part of the gaiety is made to arise from the pleasures of the bottle." The truth is, that Milton means to describe the cheerfulness of the philosopher or the student, the amusements of a contemplative mind. And on this principle, he seems unwilling to allow that Mirth is the offspring of Bacchus and Venus, deities who preside over sensual gratifications ; but rather adopts the fiction of those more serious and sapient fablers, who suppose that her proper parents are Zephyr and Aurora: intimating, that his cheerful enjoyments are those of the temperate and innocent kind, of early hours and rural pleasures." Thomas Wharton the younger, quoted in Brydges' Works of Milton Vol. 6 p. 97. He goes on to denigrate Milton as a Puritan and killjoy.

@Nanimus: You are very brave, translating poetry is even harder than creating a Wikipedia article (ie almost impossible).

L'Allegro is fairly long, over 150 lines. The most poetry you usually find on English WP is a famous sonnet of 14 lines which literary critics have already written about. The vast majority of all poetry is available on the internet, and WP doesn't see itself as a repository of everything

Personally, I would point out in the article out that Milton's language can be as difficult as Shakespeare's, and filled with mythological and classical allusion (I'm sure there are reliable sources for this); as Hoary points out, even modern native English speakers (most of whom were denied the doubtful benefits of a classical education) tend to have a hard time understanding his poetic diction. Take, for example, a word like the Anglo-Saxon 'yclept', "named or called", the past participle of clipian, clepe "to call, summon, invoke": this usage was definitely literary, quaint or archaic, even in Milton's time. I would think about deliberately using an Ottoman Turkish word from around 900 AD. As to your original question, I might even give the original quotes in English along with a literal translation, but then you are inviting questions about "how good is my own poetical rendering?". I've tried it myself, so best of luck. I found this article, which may help. There is a vast amount to learn here on WP, I suggest reading Wikipedia:Contributing to Wikipedia, which itself takes an entire day (or a lifetime). MinorProphet (talk) 21:43, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

@Nanimus: Sorry, I missed a bit: Euphrosyne was named in Heaven as well as on Earth (And by men). Also, just in case Wharton's explanation is a little wordy: Mirth, the distinguishing characteristic of the 'Allegro' archetype—as opposed to the melancholic 'Il Penseroso'—can be found either in drink in the evening (Venus and Bacchus are the subject of many Old Master paintings, search eg for Wikimedia Venus and Bacchus), or—Milton's preferred source—in the fresh breeze on a spring morning (Zephryus and Aurora). This latter pair are not so well-known as a couple in mythology. Astraeus (the dusk), and Aurora or Eos (the dawn) were Titans and therefore older than the Olympians: and among their children were the Anemoi or the four winds, one of which was Zephyrus. This is the only illustration of them I could find, although Eos had a thing for other handsome young men. Maybe Milton was hinting at something in his first published poem. MinorProphet (talk) 04:33, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

MinorProphet, you say "you make it difficult for yourself by leaving out the first line", but I simply read what was presented in the article. (Though you could reasonably say that I made it difficult for myself by not bothering to look up the poem -- and indeed, I presume(d) that all of Milton is available online, for those who bother to google for it.) That aside, I enjoyed reading your comments above. Please linger at the "Help desk", providing erudite responses. -- Hoary (talk) 07:37, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your helps and suggestions on it. I translated the lines that are on the Wikipedia page of L'allegro. I am lucky that I am interested in poetry in both languages and I think, I've been able to describe main point. I read lots of guidelines before, I started to contribute to Wikipedia which is pretty new btw. I will read the suggested articles of MinorProphet and then I will look into my translations again. I wish you have a nice day Nanimus (talk) 03:45, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Nanimus, You don't have to use the exact quotations from the English article which, as I showed earlier, misses the whole point of Milton's mention of Venus and Bacchus, by omitting the lines referring to Zephyrus and Aurora. Interestingly, the source quoted in the article (Stella Revard, Milton and the Tangles of Neaera's Hair, p. 97) also evades the point that Milton thinks Euphrosyne is the daughter of Eos and her own son by Zephyros, as Thomas Wharton delicately indicates. It is impossible that Revard was unaware of the difficulty. She points out that Euphrosyne is more often thought to be the daughter of Zeus and the Oceanid Eurynome; Milton's genealogy is unusual and off-beat, to say the least. Stella Revard's book is available to borrow to registered users (free) on Archive.org for 14 days. I'm borrowing it at the moment, but I'll let you know when it's available.

Revard's book also demonstrates well how completely Milton's poetry is influenced by Ancient Greek poetry, especially the Pindaric Odes which are the very embodiment of what we now call 'mythology', but at the time were hymns invoking real gods and goddesses. To read Pindar, even in translation (and Milton knew Greek well), is to be plunged into the fons et origo of the classical mindset.

Interestingly, Revard specifically cites (p. 97) the Olympian Ode 14 with its invocation of the Graces, which also is my favourite: "O ye who haunt the land of goodly steeds that drinketh of Kephisos' waters, lusty Orchomenos' queens renowned in song, O Graces, guardians of the Minyai's ancient race, hearken!" The Ode was written in honour of Asopichos of Orchomenos, winner of the boys' short foot-race in the Olympics of 476 BC. His father had already died, and the Ode ends with a reference to him in Hades: " Fly, Echo, to Persephone's dark-walled home, and to his father bear the noble tidings, that seeing him thou mayest speak to him of his son, saying that for his father's honour in Pisa's famous valley he hath crowned his boyish hair with garlands from the glorious games." I think it's best to continue this conversation on a talk page. I hope you enjoy reading the pdf I recommended. MinorProphet (talk) 18:45, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

MinorProphet, In the translation I had to use modern Turkish words. So, I cannot exactly give the meaning of "yclept" also, some Ottoman Turkish words for few reasons regard to language and poetry in Turkish. It will be a little long because of the complexion of the history of Turkish poetry. There are mainly two different literature tradition in the Ottomans until Tanzimat. The first one is Ottoman poetry or more commonly Divan literature in Turkish. This poetry highly influenced by Persian and Arabic poetry tradition. Arabic prosody is the only prosody used in these poems and the phonetic of Turkish is not exactly fit in this prosody because of that reason most of the poet did not use Turkish words within their poems even though they expressed it in Turkish grammar. Also, many rich and variant expressions in these languages highly influenced it too. Themes of this poetry highly influenced by metaphysics, metaphysical love, and some religious aspects et cetera. So, we cannot find the aspect of Nature or return to rural in this poetry. Also, this poetry tradition is elitist and was not common among the folks but was common within Ottoman clerks and elites. To understand this poetry, you need to be highly educated in that era. Second, literature tradition in this era Turkish folk literature or we can simply refer as folk literature. We can refer to it as the vice versa of Divan literature. It was common among folks. Syllabic verse was used in this poetry and traditions of this poetry was completely unique to Turks. The syllabic verse also completely fits with Turkish phonetic and even today you can express yourself easily with Syllabic verse. The main themes of this poetry are love, sorrow, nature, and also, some religious aspects. Usually, it read as songs with Turkish lute and even nonliterate were poets in this tradition. So, the expression of deep emotions with simplicity could define it easily. That was the first part. The second part will be about language. The Turkish language had a revolution in the 20th century. https://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/163501.pdf?casa_token=U-I55m3NDKUAAAAA:egLN0P1_zT3G5Qaw9-VNN28KKSMLg_w6jOVgKjfwYyBRLeobpsZn58zFB5XHxBzdLQ4ZPBQlh9Z7B0zmtcl_OzS-HLUEcSJyJBnNyzIbCaCsuntGJQ you can read that article about it but I can say that it is really controversial issue needs to be argued detailly. But to summarize, it was a purification of language from Persian and Arabic. It has ideological reasons and also practical reasons too. Scientific and cultural language and terms were really complex with lots of mixing words from both languages. Of course, there are lots of words in Turkish from these languages since naturally become part of it but the high-cultural and scientific language "purified" from these words or not used anymore. There are two main views on this revolution. The first one is that yes it was needed, language itself was a barrier and unnatural to its natives. The second one is that it kills the richness within the language. As a result of the change of the alphabet and language revolution literature rate rose dramatically with a wide education campaign in that era. So, the language of divan literature is completely uncommon for Turkish readers and it would be unnatural to add words from that to translation. It would not create same effect with "yclept" because at least you can guess the meaning in English. In the divan literature, pastoral was not a common theme, therefore it would not create any connotation to the original one. On the usage of the folk literature, today's Turkish language is pretty similar to that folk literature and there is no quite difference. Only pastoral themes are quite alike but as natural we cannot find any mythological reference. In the divan literature, you can find mythological references from Persian mythology. Unfortunately, until the 20th century, other mythological references did not use in poetry. Because of these reasons, unfortunately, I cannot find any reference point in the old Turkish poetry since uniquely, L'allegro's themes are like a crossfire of both tradition in a sense. It has a pastoral theme with metaphysics from mythological references. I translated the various parts that would be fit in an encyclopedia and give some phonetics without loss of meaning in translation. I add some notes for double meanings in Turkish. I think I resembled the soul but as natural it is not as beautiful as in English. I know that I mentioned many things. I hope I could present to you, good arguments and points. Thank you so much for your suggestions and help Nanimus (talk) 13:55, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

how should i contribute?

Hi... its me again. I just thoroughly completed the Wikipedia adventure as proposed, and now i am not quite sure of what to do. I read some policy articles sent to my talk page by user:eagleash. I have understood the main things to be concerned about when contributing, but since fun facts and video gaming guidelines are not generally accepted in mainspace articles, my assist in large scale article editing would not be that effective as i only have experience in certain categories. Please help me out. Juiceboxraider (talk) 13:07, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

@Juiceboxraider: I suggest you start reading articles in those categories where you have experience or interest. You'll likely encounter errors or opportunities for improvement. You can try making the edits yourself, or discussing them on the article talk pages. You could also look on Wikipedia:Task Center for other opportunities. GoingBatty (talk) 13:14, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

@Juiceboxraider: You could also improve the writing of poorly written articles, of which there are very many. For example, if you Google for "tender age" site:en.wikipedia.org, you'll get a list that starts with legitimate uses of this cliché but soon switches to starry-eyed (and thus unencyclopedic) phrasing of how this or that biographee did such and such "at the tender age of X". Plain "at X" is fine, "the tender age of" can be cut, and any article that has this is likely also to have a variety of similar horrors, just waiting for your editorial machete. -- Hoary (talk) 13:34, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

@Juiceboxraider:, @Hoary: This may be stating the obvious, but where "tender age" is part of a quotation it should not be changed. TSventon (talk) 13:58, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

@Juiceboxraider:, Wikipedia:Community portal provides links to some articles that need improvement in various ways. You might look there to see whether any of the types of improvements needed interest you. Eddie Blick (talk) 15:37, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

@TSventon:, yes, if a quotation uses "tender age" (or similar), then it should be left intact -- if the quotation itself really is worth keeping. Quotations laden with laudatory silliness are perhaps better deleted in toto. -- Hoary (talk) 07:23, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks guys... i visited the task center some time ago and i found copy editing and anti-vandalism quite interesting. I haven't just yet come to an understanding of how anti-vandalism works, but I will take some time and look into it. I am also interested in article creation, however, it was listed under the advanced category. So in the meantime, i will polish some articles in the comic book category. 15:46, 1 May 2020 (UTC)peaceout — Preceding unsigned comment added by Juiceboxraider (talk • contribs)

@Juiceboxraider: You could also search for "industry leader", another overused promotional phrase in company articles that can be excised if the cited source (if there even is one) doesn't exactly say they are the leader. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:56, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

side question

I read a few more articles and i saw that it was fine to create a draft article before publishing. I am thinking of creating an article about the game pubg mobile lite. I inspected the PUBG article and found out that there wasn't a separate page for the mobile lite version. Is this fine or should I refrain from creating a new article just now?Juiceboxraider (talk) 16:06, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

hi I NEED HELP PLEASE!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.222.75.115 (talk) 16:09, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

I suggest adding information about the mobile version into the existing article. If that section becomes large enough then revisit the question of a seperate article for it. RudolfRed (talk) 17:28, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

@Juiceboxraider: I agree with RudolfRed - there's a brief mention in PlayerUnknown's Battlegrounds#Mobile versions, and it's in the release timeline on the right. You could expand that and see where it takes you, eventually doing a content fork if the info warrants it. But first you should familiarize yourself with what's there already. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:53, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Juiceboxraider: you've been asking for advice on how to contribute to Wikipedia. The best advice I can give is, start by doing easy things (correcting spelling and grammar, or whatever you can do without reading any documentation), and move on to slightly harder things (such as supplying missing references, or fixing mis-formatted tables). Leave really hard tasks, such as creating new articles, until last. Maproom (talk) 07:46, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

retrieving a deleted page's content

Hi,

I am new to wikipedia and mistakenly published a COI page. I understand now this is not allowed but would like to retrieve the contents written on the page for further studies and the I have been treated with a love bitterness by a member of your users called Deb. I am appalled by the lack of empathy from this person. She clearly knows I do not intend to republish the page and I have made myself clear I only wish to have the content retrieved but she has not been helpful so far. What sort of community are we trying to build here? Please can I have my page back? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hugo3055 (talk • contribs) 16:22, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

@Hugo3055: You can ask at WP:REFUND for the draft to be undeleted, if you intend to work on improving it. Not all are approved. RudolfRed (talk) 16:36, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Hugo3055 is asking for the text to be emailed to him. Apparently he didn't save it. Deb has voiced reluctance to email anyone but a seasoned contributor, which I can understand. Hugo - I'll ask Deb to email it to me. If she agrees, I'll let you know and you can email me so I can send it to you. Stay tuned. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:15, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Tim, I've e-mailed you. It's clear that this user was here for one purpose only. Deb (talk) 09:00, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Comprehensive Geographically-Specific Chronology

I've searched for a long time for a chronology that lists every single event in history, with corresponding GPS coordinates. How do we create this? Here's an example:

1941-12-07 | 18:18:31 Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) | 1941-12-07 07:48:31 Hawaiian Time (UTC-10.5) | GPS Decimal Coordinates: 21.365, -157.95 | The Pearl Harbor naval base is attacked by 353 Imperial Japanese aircraft (including fighters, level and dive bombers, and torpedo bombers) in two waves, launched from six aircraft carriers.

1941-12-07 | 19:18:00 Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) | 1941-12-08 04:18:00 Japan Standard Time (UTC+9) | GPS Decimal Coodinates: 35.672448, 139.757570 | Via the Board of Information of The Japan Times, Japan announces a declaration of war on the United States, but the declaration was not delivered until the following day.

...

1942-02-01 | Requested Edit Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) | Requested Edit Kansu-Szechwan Time (UTC+7) | GPS Decimal Coordinates: 36.618638, 109.467266 | Mao Zedong makes a speech on "Reform in Learning, the Party and Literature", starting the Yan'an Rectification Movement in the Communist Party of China.

This would list everything on one page chronologically from beginning of recorded history up to present day. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mtsuzuki (talk • contribs) 20:08, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

This sounds like a gigantic project, and certainly nothing remotely like what we do here on Wikipedia. I would suggest you seek advice at our Computing Help Desk, where such questions are more appropriate than here. --Orange Mike | Talk 20:21, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

@Mtsuzuki: I had a history book that arranged everything chronologically by category - Government/Politics; Religion; Arts; Science/Technology and Travel/Migration. I can't find it but there's an excellent online version here. [[2]]. Now you just need to get them to add coordinates ;-) TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:07, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

@Orangemike:I will post the help request at the Computing Help Desk as well. At the same time, since Wikipedia has robust Timeline pages specific to year and even day, I do think it fits in well with what Wikipedia is already doing.Mtsuzuki (talk) 21:24, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

@Timtempleton:Thank you. I did see this, but unfortunately it only contains a few major events. What is needed is a comprehensive geographically-specific chronology that includes every single recorded event of every second of every day in every geographical point in history. Obviously this is a HUGE project, so it would be compiled gradually by volunteer contributors, like any Wikipedia entry.Mtsuzuki (talk) 21:24, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

@Mtsuzuki: Wow - you're thinking big. But before you get in too deep, you're going to have three types of events - those that take place at a fixed location in an instant, those that occur over time in one place, requiring a time range in your database, and those that start in one place and move, requiring multiple geographic coordinates in the database, or perhaps a broader geographic range versus a fixed coordinate. I'd say unless you limit your scope to the first category, what you are trying to do may be impossible. Even if you could parse everything that ever happened those three ways, the exact time (and to a lesser degree the exact location) for specific segments of many historical events will be lost to history. Instead, you could broaden the scope and see how far that gets you. To start, you'd need to have a geographic and chronological range for every person and event on Wikipedia, and when you don't have the specific info you'd have to provide an estimate. The attempts to add GPS coordinates to every place article could be a starting point. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:46, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

@Timtempleton:Thank you for boiling that down to a few fundamental elements. What I envision starting out with is the relatively precise time or time span, as well as the relatively precise geographic coordinates or broader geographic coordinates, depending on the event. For example, the attack on Pearl Harbor could be noted as occurring on 1941-12-07 at 18:18:00 Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) and 07:48:00 Hawaiian Time, since the exact second may not be known. When the exact second is known, someone could add it with source citation. In terms of location, the GPS coordinates at the center of Pearl Harbor naval base would be the broad entry, but the event could be gradually broken down into the individual component events entailed by the broader event, e.g. the exact coordinates of the scuttled Japanese mini-sub, of the first downed plane, of the first torpedo hit, of the first dropped bomb, etc. There are many sources for details of a famous event like this in recent history. So the initial data would come from Wikipedia's extant entries and the data from Wikidata, and then contributors would build on to that, in general from broad, major times and places of events to more specific component details of the events. Finally, you are exactly right. I would like to find a way to compile the geographic and chronological range for every person and event on Wikipedia into one comprehensive world history page.Mtsuzuki (talk) 05:48, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

@Mtsuzuki: This sounds like a job for Wikidata. By contrast to wikipedia articles, Wikidata is a database of structured data items. Each article in Wikipedia is supposed to have a Wikidata item. I do not know if there are fields for GPS and date, or if there is a field that can be used to identify the item as a historical event, but fields can be added. This would give you a place to start. You would then need to do data mining in Wikipedia to populate those three fields from data in Wikipedia articles (when they are not already populated). This would be a long term project which cannot be completely automated, but it would be possible to generate your timeline from the Wikidata automatically, and do things like generating localized lists, etc., and there is hope that editors would get into the habit of populating these fields. -Arch dude (talk) 21:51, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

@Mtsuzuki: Here is an example: the Wikidata item for the Battle of Hastings is d:Q83224. It has a date and a location, and is an "instance of" "battle". You can choose to (attempt to identify) all "instance of" types that are historical events, or you can add a new "instance of" use the type of "historical event" and add it to wikidata items, or do something else. But just for fun, an initial experiment, write a Wikidata retrieval script for battles and display them in chronological order, with their coordinates. -Arch dude (talk) 22:03, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

@Mtsuzuki: I just looked, and "battle" is an instance of "historical event". I do not know enough about database searches in general or Wikidata in particular to create a list of all articles that are instances of items that are themselves instances of "historical event". You will need to get help on the Wikidata help desk. Good luck! -Arch dude (talk) 22:08, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

@Orangemike, Timtempleton, and Arch dude:Thank you all so very much. After a bit of research, I think I've figured this out. I've realized that there are tons of timelines on Wikipedia at List of timelines. I wonder if there is some way to create a page like Timeline of the Middle Ages by automatically compiling all the dates and events from every year entry under List of years. That would be step 1. So far, the only thing I can think of would be to first create a page based on the format of the Timeline of the Middle Ages (adding columns for UTC time and geographic coordinates), but then add the data also from Timeline of ancient history and Timeline of modern history and any other extant Wikipedia timelines. The second step would be to automatically attach geographic coordinates to each event. Finally, it would be a good old-fashioned Wikipedia free for all to gradually add more events. Mmmm... yummy. I'm getting excited.Mtsuzuki (talk) 06:25, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Fuschia Phlox Update

Hi,

I would like to add a page to Wikipedia about Fuschia Phlox. I have written the text and published it but who checks it and posts it to wikipedia for general viewing? I wrote one about 2 years and now I have updated that page. thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ejrussell (talk • contribs) 21:21, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Your draft has no references to published reliable sources independent of the subject to demonstrate notability. You will find advice at WP:Your first article. --David Biddulph (talk) 21:32, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

A Google search for "Fuschia Phlox" finds very little to suggest that she might be notable enough to warrant a Wikipedia article. (Note for anyone else thinking of searching: she really does spell her name like that.) Maproom (talk) 07:58, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

I assumed it was the name of a plant. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:20, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Ax09tongo78

Dear Wikipedia Wikipedia is great but my bad news is Wikipedia is going to end. Wold you please help me? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ax09tongo78 (talk • contribs) 23:07, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

@Ax09tongo78: Welcome to Wikipedia. Nothing lasts forever, but Wikipedia will likely be around for quite some time. What help are you looking for? — Preceding unsigned comment added by RudolfRed (talk • contribs) 23:13, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

May 2

Withdrawing DYK nomination.

Hi, I nominated Zamia pygmaea for DYK only to realise that it's too early to do that. Is there any way I can withdraw the nomination and delete the template, because I will be re-nominating it later.Ankit (Talk with me) 00:35, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Ankit2299, I'd caution you that you only have a week to claim a DYK after it gets expanded, so if you withdrew it, you'd need to renominate within like 6 days or miss out on the DYK. Why do you need to withdraw it? CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 00:51, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

CaptainEek, Thanks for your concern, I am aware of that. But I need to withdraw it because the article needs more expansion and a restructuring. Moreover the template Template:Did you know nominations/Zamia pygmaea needs an image, I did add one but something's not right with that one.Ankit (Talk with me) 01:02, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Ankit2299, If you really wish to delete it, you could put it up for WP:G7 speedy deletion I believe, though I don't quite see the point if you're just gonna renominate it soon. It usually takes a bit for a nom to get reviewed anyway, and even if its not perfect, reviewers will work with you. For guidance on your restructuring, please see Wikipedia:WikiProject Plants/Template. Also make sure that everything is cited to a reliable source. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 01:52, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

CaptainEek, In hindsight I think that you are right, I should just let it be once its reviewing starts it will get along.

Thank you--Ankit (Talk with me) 12:13, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Cheyenne Mcnutt Marion Indiana

Something is put about me and it isn’t true. Maybe the famed cyclist part, but not the rest. Please delete if possible, I own multiple businesses here — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1015:B064:FAC7:BCC3:320B:A0B9:1114 (talk) 02:40, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

 Done! GoingBatty (talk) 02:43, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

My Article Is Marked As "Draft"

Today I have created an article for my music, but I can't change it from a "draft" to an official Wikipedia article. I need this for my Spotify page. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Jason_David) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chriskitten61 (talk • contribs) 04:19, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

@Chriskitten61: I suggest you place {{subst:submit}} at the top of your talk page draft, and declare your conflict of interest on your talk page. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 05:30, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

@Chriskitten61: I think GB meant to say place the 'submit' code at the top of your draft. This will submit it for review. However, before doing so please review the musical notability guidelines at WP:NMUSIC. (PLease also see WP:GNG). If the criteria are not met it will not be worth your while to submit the article as it will very likely be declined at review. I have cleaned up the draft some and also moved it to Draft: Jason David (musician) as Wikipedia already has an article about another person of the same name. Cheers. Eagleash (talk) 11:59, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

@Eagleash and Chriskitten61: Oops! Corrected my recommendation. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 15:27, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Chiskitten61. I fear from your mention of your Spotify page that you are under a (very common) misapprehension about Wikipedia: that it has anything whatever to do with promotion. It does not. It contains neutrally written articles about notable subjects, based almost entirely on reliably published independent sources.

If you do not meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability - like most artists - then no article about you will be accepted. If your are notable, and an article is accepted, it will not be your article, it will be based not on what you say but on what people who have no connection with you have published about you, and it will not necessarily say what you want it to say. Your involvement in the article will be limited to making requests for changes to the content.

Like anybody else in the world, you will be welcome to make use of the material in Wikipedia's article about you, but it is unlikely that a Wikipedia volunteer editor will be willing to go to any trouble to help you promote yourself on Spotify or anywhere else. --ColinFine (talk) 16:10, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Hasty actions

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:UFC_249_(May_9,_2020_event) Hello can i get some helpers to assist on this issue. There are a lot of attempt for hasty decisions on this page (the move request came first now someone wants do this and that and this and that.....)...its causing a mess. COVID-19 also caused low participation on the consensus. I want it be left open for a longer time at least May 6. Once its done then we can review the next steps. Regice2020 (talk) 05:38, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

It's normal that once a suggestion is made, others will make counter-suggestions. As I glance at the talk page, I get the impression that the discussion is vigorous (in a good way). If you want more participation, you might ask for it at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mixed martial arts. -- Hoary (talk) 09:27, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Fake website list

How do i add a few more websites to your Fake News List. I do not wish to edit any previous entries.

For example, I wish to add andromedacouncil.com to the Fake Website list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2402:8100:301B:F105:1:3:882E:5996 (talk) 08:12, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

If you hope that something will be added to the article Fake news website, then you can make the suggestion at Talk:Fake news website. -- Hoary (talk) 09:19, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

question about a tv series plot

Movie plots per WP:PLOTBLOAT are supposed to be between 400-700 words. The MOS:TVPLOT gives guidance for plots that are for episodes, seasons, and some variations. Unfortunately there is no guidance that I can find for a plot that is at the series level. So for example, Arrow's plot is 792 words long. Am I missing where the guidance says how long a series level plot should be? thx. ToeFungii (talk) 10:56, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Given that the series was eight seasons and each is summarized in a single paragraph averaging 100 words, that doesn't seem unreasonable to me at all. Are you asking whether the plot summary for the series is too long or not long enough? —valereee (talk) 13:09, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Fix ping ToeFungii —valereee (talk) 13:10, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Valereeei, yes I thing the plot is too long, but I understand the logic that 100 words per season (although season 8 was only 10 episodes I believe). Perhaps this why there is no guidance, ie tv shows could be an unknown #of seasons/episodes, but where there is so much guidance for film plots, tv series season plots, tv series episode plots, I was kinda of hoping that there might be something at the series level possibly even what you say 100 words per season. Otherwise it leaves it potentially open ended for the plot at the series level. ToeFungii (talk) 17:21, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

ToeFungii, in general we try to avoid hard-and-fast rules where they aren't needed. The right length of plot summary for a tv series is whatever it needs to convey the plot adequately without providing trivial detail. The best way to solve this kind of question would be to make whatever edits you think are necessary and see if anyone objects. If someone reverts your edits, don't re-revert them but instead start a section to discuss it on the article talk page and ping the editor who made the change. More guidance on that process can be found at Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle. —valereee (talk) 22:31, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Content Assessment for articles in a category

Hello! Is it possible to get create a content assessment table (such as this example for categories? As opposed to a table for a WikiProject. I am trying to create a table to see the quality of the articles under the following category Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xcia0069 (talk • contribs)

@Xcia0069: This may be what you are looking for. Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Using the bot If not, ask on the talk page. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 22:13, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

useless ref names in vis ed

Is there any way to keep visual editor from using ref names like ":0"? It's infuriating when I need to switch to source. The only way I've found is to insert the citation, switch to source, and insert a ref name="jonesNYT1may2020" or whatever manually, which besides being tedious of course only fixes it for refs first added by me and leaves everyone else's refs with those stupidly useless names. Thanks for any help! —valereee (talk) 13:05, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

@Valereee: It's probably the simplest way to automatically generate a name, without the visual editor having to make one up based on the name of the work or web site. BTW - you don't need the quotes anymore as long as the ref name is one word. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 22:16, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Timtempleton, oh, good to know about not needing quotes any more. Ugh, maybe I should just add new references in source. It might be easier. I can't believe this hasn't been fixed yet. Thanks! —valereee (talk) 22:20, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

@Valereee and Timtempleton: While you don't need the quotes, I use them anyway for consistency and foolproofing (in case someone decides they want to rename it with a space in it and don't realize it isn't quoted). I also recall some kind of bugginess or controversy over unquoted attributes (sorry the details escape me). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 07:11, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, AlanM!! —valereee (talk) 12:02, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Question about infoboxes

I have a question about infoboxes about people. Sometimes, an infobox does not list all of a person's children like, for example, in the Nelson Mandela article, it says 6 (including Makgatho, Makaziwe, Zenani and Zindziswa) and in the Mao Zedong article, it says 10, including: Mao Anying Mao Anqing Mao Anlong Yang Yuehua Li Min Li Na. However, in the Winston Churchill article, it lists all his children. What's going on here? Should I change the infoboxes to list all the children? Interstellarity (talk) 14:21, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Interstellarity - as stated at Template:Infobox person, the parameter should include:-

"Typically the number of children (e.g., 3); only list names of independently notable or particularly relevant children. Names may be preceded by a number to show total children and avoid implying that named children are the only offspring. For multiple entries, use an inline list. For privacy reasons, consider omitting the names of living children, unless notable."

So no, do not change the infoboxes to list all the children, just the "independently notable or particularly relevant children." - Arjayay (talk) 14:26, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Arjayay. Thanks for getting back to me. I don't quite understand the statement from the documentation. Can you please rephrase it in your own words so I can understand it better? Interstellarity (talk) 14:48, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Interstellarity - This will be just my interpretation:- "independently notable" would almost certainly be someone with their own article, whilst "particularly relevant" would probably be someone who is not just mentioned in passing, but has independent references about them, and text describing what they did, in some detail, in their parent's article. - Arjayay (talk) 14:59, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

@Arjayay: Thank you for your help. I understand. Interstellarity (talk) 15:04, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

My profile

sir, I want you to publish an article on my great grandfather Brahmdev Mishra Pahalvan who defeated Dara Singh in 1950 51.You will get all the proofs regarding this.for more enquiry contact me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Malware in use (talk • contribs) 14:36, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

@Malware in use: If you haven't done so already, please review the recommendations in Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide. GoingBatty (talk) 15:34, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Malware in use. Nobody will contact you or ask you to provide proofs. If you wish to create an article (not a profile, Wikipedia does not contain profiles), then it is up to you to cite the published sources which are required for a Wikipedia article. If the material you wish to base it on has not been published, then I'm afraid that Wikipedia is not the right place for you.

Be warned that creating a new article is a very difficult task - made more difficult if you have a conflict of interest, as GoingBatty suggested. Please look at your first article. --ColinFine (talk) 16:15, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Beth Hirsch from Tampa Florida does not exist

I'm not sure what action to take as Beth Hirsch has major incorrect details, sourced form a website created by an individual whom I won't name right now due to ongoing court issues with the Hirsch family. However, I can certainly say that there is no such person as a Beth Hirsch born on October 18, 1967 in Tampa, nor is there anybody born on that date or even that year anywhere in the United States, Canada or the United Kingdom. I don't know what action to take her forward, I'm tempted to delete all references to her birth place and nationality and even her birth date as Beth Hirsch born on October 18 1967 in the United States does not exist anywhere in any birth records in the state of Florida. thanks. 199.101.61.254 (talk) 16:17, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

The Allmusic biography only gives the year of birth and that she grew up in Tampa, so I updated the article. It would be appropriate to discuss this further at the article talk page: Talk:Beth Hirsch, with reliable sources. GoingBatty (talk) 16:31, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Ok I'll do that tomorrow when I have a stable connection, as the service guys are coming today. thanks. I don't know if my IP will change as a result of the repairs but I'll get to tha tomorrow. 199.101.61.254 (talk) 17:02, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Ax09tongo78

Why does Wikipedia belongs to all of us? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ax09tongo78 (talk • contribs) 16:31, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

@Ax09tongo78: You might be interested in reading Wikipedia:About. GoingBatty (talk) 16:33, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Adding content

I want to ad a blog to a Wikipedia page. The blog is an art gallery only, and contains no comment, opinions or any other kind of dialogue. It is purely a gallery of paintings. How can I add this to the page, as I keep getting it removed due to it being thought of as a soapbox (which it isn’t). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cazzocondente (talk • contribs) 16:56, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

@Cazzocondente: Part of editing Wikipedia can follow the Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle. You boldly added some content to the Ted McKeever article, and another editor reverted the content. Now the proper place for discussion is the article talk page, Talk:Ted McKeever. Note that the one discussion topic at Talk:Ted McKeever was from the year 2007, and has nothing to do with your edits. If you have any conflict of interest, be sure to disclose that as well. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 17:31, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

@Cazzocondente: Maybe you could help improve the article by providing additional reliable sources? GoingBatty (talk) 17:32, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Article titles

When deciding on an article title, such as Great Pyramid of Giza, how do we decide between WP:PRECISE and WP:CONCISE? Interstellarity (talk) 17:09, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

@Interstellarity: Those two goals are usually not at odds. Can you clarify what the issue is? I'm not following. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 22:09, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

@Timtempleton: In the RM discussion at Talk:Great_Pyramid_of_Giza#Requested_move_29_April_2020 which I nominated, I nominated it because it would be a more concise title. However, the oppose votes are arguing that it fails WP:PRECISE. I hope this clarifies the question. Interstellarity (talk) 22:27, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Interstellarity, hm. Great Pyramid of Giza is precise because it differentiates from other Great Pyramids, and it doesn't fail concise because it's the most common way that structure is referred to in reliable sources. But Great Pyramid could be argued to be more concise and not fail precise because it's so much more notable than the Great Pyramid of Cholula that nearly all readers would understand Great Pyramid to mean the one at Giza. I don't think there's one clear right outcome here. —valereee (talk) 12:23, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

@Valereee: Thanks for the reply. I understand now. Interstellarity (talk) 15:23, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Karen Harper (author) Born April 6, 1945

Karen also taught English at Whetstone High School. I had her as my English teacher in 1969-1970 school year. She met Don Harper at Whetstone where he was the principal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.98.76.74 (talk) 17:33, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Please post your suggestions for the Karen Harper article on the corresponding talk page: Talk:Karen Harper, along with any reliable sources which can corroborate your request. GoingBatty (talk) 17:37, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Removal of Depiction of God

This is regarding the following page: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh

I am reaching out for the immediate removal of the stone carving "depicting" the Creator, referred to as Yahweh in Judaism.

God has no known depictions, and is beyond the scope of visual, physical perception to humans inhabiting this world.

To even attempt to depict him, and trying to recreate his likeness is beyond a grave sin.

This applies even if the depiction is a "historical" one made by an ignorant human from centuries ago. Please cease propagting this ignorance, and this insult to God and those who follow him. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Propogator.ofTruth (talk • contribs) 18:22, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Propogator.ofTruth Wikipedia is not censored for any reason. Every subject offends one person or another, as such removing everything offensive would leave nothing behind. If a subject offends you, you should stay away from that subject. Wikipedia is a global encyclopedia edited and read by tens of thousands of people all with their own religious views. 331dot (talk) 18:28, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

The Jewish people have held different beliefs at different historical periods. The task of Wikipedia is to describe those various beliefs. It is not, fortunately, to rule on which of them are correct. Maproom (talk) 20:25, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Features in GeoJSON Maps for Highways

I've been jumping around articles on California state highways and I noticed that the map in the infobox on Interstate 5 in California is rather sparse and does not show state borders or any other highways. This is in contrast to the map on Interstate 5 in Oregon which shows Oregon's borders with California and Washington and the outlines of other highways in Oregon.

After some investigating I determined that both of these maps are generated from OpenStreetMap using a data tag linking the feature on OSM to the article here. I looked at the source of the articles to see if the map on the Oregon page is called differently somehow to enable the other features on the map, but the wikitext appears to be virtually identical between the two:

California:

{{maplink|frame=yes|plain=yes|type=line|frame-align=center|frame-width=290|frame-height=320|stroke-width=3}}

Oregon:

{{maplink|frame=yes|plain=yes|type=line|frame-align=center|frame-width=290|frame-height=270|stroke-width=3}}

The only difference appears to be in the frame-height parameter, which wouldn't seem to me to affect whether features appear.

Is there some way to invoke the map on the California page such that state borders and other highways appear? I feel that without at least borders, the map looks very sparse and provides insufficient context to a reader as to the location of the freeway. Thank you, TitanAndromeda 18:27, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

@TitanAndromeda: When I have a problem with a template, I go to the template's talk page for assistance. When I go to Template:Maplink and click on the "Talk" link, it takes me to Module talk:Mapframe, where there are several similar conversations. Hope this helps! GoingBatty (talk) 18:34, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

D'oh, why didn't I think of that? Thank you, I appreciate the help. TitanAndromeda 19:11, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Wikilink question

I recently added Jimmie Patterson's name to "notable persons from Saskatoon" and the edit was easy, however, what wasn't at all clear is how I redirect to his page on Wikipedia. I sure it's a simple procedure, but I'm still scratching my head. Some help would be great. Thanks Kim Whale. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.69.161.172 (talk) 21:41, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia and thanks for wanting to add to it. I added a section header for your question. I was going to make the link for you, but I can't tell who you are referring to. We artcicles on these James Pattersons: James_Patterson_(disambiguation), but it is not clear which one you mean. The only Canadian on that list is a politician. RudolfRed (talk) 21:51, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

You have to spell the name right. Jim Pattison is from Luseland, not Saskatoon, although he was born in Saskatoon. --Orange Mike | Talk 21:58, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Quickly Delete image

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:New_UFC_249_poster.jpg Can someone quickly delete this image?Regice2020 (talk) 22:56, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Removal of link of a namesake on my Wikipedia page

My Wikipedia page is Paul Taylor (Saxophonist). Please remove the link to another namesake Paul Taylor (Rock Musician) that is at the TOP of my page..

Doesn't make sense that it's there. I checked that page and mine is not on HIS page. Like someone put it there to divert folks to that page INSTEAD of mine. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.72.254.220 (talk) 22:56, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

The link is a disambiguation link so that if someone gets the two of you confused, they can find the right article. That makes sense. It's also present on the Paul Taylor (keyboardist) article.

It's our page about you, not your page. Don't be paranoid about a very common feature meant to make it easier to use the site. Ian.thomson (talk) 23:03, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

@Ian.thomson: I just added the link from Paul Taylor (keyboardist) to Paul Taylor (saxophonist) to help readers find the right article. GoingBatty (talk) 23:05, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Paul - please do not directly edit Wikipedia's article about you - see WP:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide. I have reverted the edit. If you have suggestions or concerns, please post them on the article talk page Talk:Paul Taylor (saxophonist), and disclose who you are. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 23:11, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

May 3

Draft question for edit?

@Koavf: How long does it take for the wikipedia I edit will be active because it's on DraftJohnnysxm (talk) 01:38, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Johnnysxm. I assume that you are referring to Draft:Boni Faas, which you have not submitted for review. Please do not submit it at this time. This is an unreferenced biography of a living person, and it is policy that any such article must be properly referenced. Please read Your first article for information about the improvements that you need to make before submitting the draft for review. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:47, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

@Johnnysxm: In particular, please review Wikipedia:Notability (music)#Criteria for musicians and ensembles and provide multiple independent reliable sources to demonstrate that Boni Faas meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 03:08, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

@GoingBatty yes Boni Faas meet the criteria for wikipedia as musician — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnnysxm (talk • contribs) 03:25, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

@Johnnysxm: You probably right, but the article must cite reliable sources so reviewers, other editors, and readers can see that it is true. Before you submit the article, find and add two or three really good references that show notability. This is easy to mess up, so please take a look at Wikipedia:Common sourcing mistakes (notability) to avoid getting hassled by reviewers. -Arch dude (talk) 04:56, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: Boni Faas meet the criteria for musician and should be submitted for reviewJohnnysxm (talk) 03:29, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

@Arch dude, but how to do it I'm so new to this, what I exactly information I need to add I haven't add enough? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnnysxm (talk • contribs) 05:02, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

@Johnnysxm: Glad you have multiple independent reliable sources! I have added a References section to Draft:Boni Faas for you with three asterisks. You can add your sources as URLs there and we can look at them for you. GoingBatty (talk) 05:49, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

@GoingBatty I went to Draft Boni Faas I see the references and I added the sources, can you please check it to see if I did it right. Thank youJohnnysxm (talk) 07:49, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

@Johnnysxm: Sorry but no, it is not done correctly. GB provided you with a refs section and three asterisks where you should just add the URLs of the sources. I have restored rthe page to the last edit that he made. Please have another go.

Please do not start additional threads here on the same topic and (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 08:30, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

There are external links, but no references. Here for example is one sentence: "He is signed to Team Billionaire Music and SDYP The Movement." Provide evidence, please, that he is signed to Team Billionaire Music and to SDYP The Movement. -- Hoary (talk) 08:35, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Draft: Boni Faas references edit

@Template:GoingBatty please check Draft Boni Faas if I did what you ask me to do, and yes his sign to Team Billionaire Music, but you wont find this label on the web, but you will find his other label he sign to SDYP the MOVEMENT, I added 3 URLs to prove who he is.

You haven't yet done what Eagleash asked you to do: "do not start additional threads here on the same topic" -- I've had to move this -- "and (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.)" If you can't provide a reliable reference for the assertion that he's signed to Team Billionaire Music then the article can't assert that he's signed to Team Billionaire Music. Ditto for anything that the article says. -- Hoary (talk) 13:12, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

@Johnnysxm: You added three reference to prove who he is. However, your goal should be to prove that he meets Wikipedia's standards of notability for musicians by providing multiple independent reliable sources, such as magazines, newspapers, and critical reviews. Faimhub is a place to upload a press kit, SDYP is his record label, and alhtmizik is his official website, so none of these are independent. Keep working on it! GoingBatty (talk) 14:12, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Merged thread

@GoingBatty SDYP is not his own label, he just sign to it, and so the others. He just feature on them like a Magazine, what if I send you 1 magazine of him? Will that be enough, cuz I see him on a MagazineJohnnysxm (talk) 14:41, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

If he has been featured in a mainstream magazine then that could help. A link would be best, but sources do not have to be online. Wikipedia requires in-depth coverage in sources independent of him. I.e not by him or persons associated with him. Again, please do not start new threads on the same topic. As previously suggested you should study WP:NOTABILITY, WP:NMUSIC and WP:YFA. If this artist does not meet the criteria you may well be wasting your time trying to create an article about him. Not every musical act qualifies for a Wikipedia article. Eagleash (talk) 15:07, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

@Johnnysxm: Additional suggestions:

• Continue this discussion in this section. Do not click the "New section" tab.
• Please read Template:Ping to learn how to use Wikipedia's equivalent of the @mention feature, like {{ping|GoingBatty}}
• Since Faas signed to the SDYP label, the SDYP website is not an independent source. SDYP is in the business of promoting Faas to make money.
• Do not send anything to me - add it to the draft.
• One magazine is a start, but to demonstrate that Faas meets Wikipedia's standards of notability for musicians, your goal should be to provide "multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician". GoingBatty (talk) 15:18, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error references no text

Post Secondary Enrollment Options Please help with footnotes. I thought I understood how to do this but I'm clearly making some mistakes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Minnesotaed (talk • contribs) 04:21, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

@Minnesotaed: After reviewing the edits you made to Post Secondary Enrollment Options, here are some suggestions for you:

• Always sign your talk space posts with ~~~~ so your signature automatically is attached.
• An article needs only one {{reflist}} template, in the References section.
• Don't start a new paragraph with a space, or it will look like this:

This has a space in front of it

• If you're going to use {{cite web}} for your references, they have to end with }}</ref>

Your edits were reversed, so you can try again slowly - make an edit, click Show preview, and keep fixing until it looks good, then click Publish changes. Or, you can make suggestions at the article talk page - Talk:Post Secondary Enrollment Options - and another editor can help you. Good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 06:00, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict)@Minnesotaed:  Fixed The 'reflist' template goes immediately after the 'references' hdg; you do not need to add it within the content as well. If you have not already done so please review the guide to adding references for how to do so correctly as there were also several formatting errors. Do you have a connection to the subject? If so you must read WP:COI and WP:PAID (the latter is mandatory under the terms of use) and make the necessary declarations. Also your username may imply 'corporate' or shared use, which is not permitted. You can request a change at WP:UNC. Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 06:02, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Create own wikipedia

I want to create my own wikipedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rahul Paria (talk • contribs) 05:23, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

If you wish to create an article about yourself, this is not what Wikipedia is for; it is not a form of social media. Please see WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY for why this is discouraged and why this is not always a good idea. If you are notable in the Wikipedia sense, someone independent of yourself will, in due course, create an article based on what other people have, equally independently, witten about you in reliable sources. Eagleash (talk) 05:39, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

In particular, do not make a second attempt to convert an article about somebody else into an article about yourself. -- Hoary (talk) 08:29, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Edit warring

Hello, An Ip is vandalizing the page Wakefield, Massachusetts. I reported about this to admins but what to do about the page for now? Since, if I undo that Ip's edit, the Ip again inserts the same content in a few minutes. I know edit warring is discouraged on Wikipedia. So kindly suggest me what should I do? Lightbluerain (talk) 11:56, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Reverting blatent vandalism isn't classed as edit warring. There is now some protection against non confirmed users for two days. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:02, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Alright, thanks for your response. That user is blocked now. Btw, what kind of protection against non-confirmed users? Lightbluerain (talk) 12:04, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Lightbluerain, The article was semi protected. Users who aren't registered, or haven't made 10 edits over 4 days are unable to edit the article, but can edit the talk page. The policy is at WP:SEMI ~~ Alex Noble/1-2/TRB 12:10, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Okay. Thanks. Lightbluerain (talk) 12:12, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Please help replacing the company logo

HI,

Trying a few times to replace our company logo with no success. Please help!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puls_(company)

Tried to upload here, it doesn't work: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Logo_of_Puls_Technologies.png

Not sure why it's so complicated..

All we want is to upload the same file without dots...

thanks! Puls Team — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mayapuls (talk • contribs) 12:02, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

@Mayapuls:  Done by Ankry. Also, please review the Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide, and do not edit the article about your company directly. Instead, you can suggest edits on the article talk page - Talk:Puls (company) - and disclose your conflict. Thanks! (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) GoingBatty (talk) 14:19, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

contacting people

How can I contact a radio or tv talk show host? My fiancé is in a Tennessee prison and is being harassed by a European based, Jewish terrorist by telephoning other inmates and telling them to tell my fiancé different things, taping conversations we have on the prison phone system as my fiancé doesn't have a phone like others do there, and different other things are happening to him. He was imprisoned when he was 16 for something he did not do. They had no evidence and the only thing they got him for was word of mouth by a woman with a questionable reputation. We are attempting right now to get him exonerated. He is losing hope and is getting more frustrated by this terrorist. No one will help him. Please help me help him? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.115.99.136 (talk) 13:33, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello. I'm sorry for your problems, but I'm afraid that this is the help desk for problems with editing Wikipedia. There is nobody here who can help you. --ColinFine (talk) 14:14, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

How to submit a page or article

Hi Guys,

Good day, I would just like to ask on how can I submit or upload a page or article on wikipedia?

Thanks,

Matt — Preceding unsigned comment added by Matt Lopez (talk • contribs) 13:40, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Creating a new article, Matt, is one of the toughest things to do here, not least because with the millions of existing articles, the number of genuinely notable topics to write about is no longer as big as it once was. For further help, read this: Help:Your first article. --Orange Mike | Talk 14:17, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, Matt Lopez. Creating a new article is about the hardest task there is in editing Wikipedia, and I always suggest to new editors that they spend a few weeks or months improving existing articles and learning how Wikipedia works before they even try. People who plunge straight in often have a very unhappy time, as they try to submit material which is totally inappropriate for Wikipedia, and then get understandably upset when it is rejected. Your draft Draft:Vilma Vitug is far from the worst attempt I have seen, but as it stands it has no chance of being accepted, because you have made the number 1 mistake that new editors make: you have, it seems written from what you know, instead of from what the reliable published independent sources say. The first step in creating an article - long before you write any words - is finding the places where people who have no connection with the subject, and unprompted by the subject, have chosen to write about the subject at some length, and been published by reputable publishers. One of the reasons you do this first is that if you can't find any such sources, then the subject is not notable in Wikipedia's terms, and any work you put into writing an article will be a waste of time.

For your own benefit, please study your first article and notability before you spend any more time on your draft. --ColinFine (talk) 14:24, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Need help in order to submit a draft for reviewing and wanting to publish it as a main page

I've created a draft and wanted to submit it for a review as this step is mandatory to publish a draft as a main page. Please let me know about the same. Nehhz335 (talk) 16:47, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

@Nehhz335: You removed the "decline" message at the top of your draft. That has now been restored. If you believe the issues raised there have been addressed, you should click on Resubmit at the bottom of the "decline" message. --MrClog (talk) 17:05, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Nehhz335 (edit conflict) Right now, your draft is not suitable as a Wikipedia article, and if you were to submit it, it would be rejected quickly. Your draft offers no sources to support its content. Wikipedia articles about people must do more than tell about the person. They must show with significant coverage in independent reliable sources how the person meets Wikipedia's special definition of a notable person or in this case, the definition of a notable actress. Not every person merits an article on Wikipedia. If the person does not have significant coverage by sources- coverage that goes beyond brief mentions, routine announcements, etc., they would not merit an article at this time. You may find it helpful to read Your First Article and use the new user tutorial- as successfully writing a new article is the absolute hardest task to perform on Wikipedia. If you are able to make the needed improvements, you may submit your draft using Articles for Creation. Again, you should not submit it yet. 331dot (talk) 17:07, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Adjusting my post to account for MrClog's good information. 331dot (talk) 17:08, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

In the feedback messages, on the draft itself and on your user talk page, the words in blue are wikilinks to pages which will give you further advice, such as Help:Referencing for beginners. You need to read those pages and take account of them before you resubmit your draft. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:16, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

My entire editing history has been removed -- why and by whom?

Is it possible I could have done it myself without intending to? Shouldn't there be some kind of safeguard?

Is it possible to restore it? Please help.

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by EquitableCanine (talk • contribs) 17:13, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

@EquitableCanine: Everyone can see your editing history at Special:Contributions/EquitableCanine. Could you please help us understand exactly what has been removed? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 17:16, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Article creation

How can i create an article in Greek wikipedia?As i checked there is no create new article button like in english wiki! Any help would be appreciated! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gamoskampilis (talk • contribs) 18:14, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Gamoskampilis, I think the AfC is unique to the English Wikipedia (or at least, not a concept used in all languages). I thought it would be straightforward to point you to the Greek Help desk, but I failed to find it. S Philbrick(Talk) 18:29, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

@Gamoskampilis: In the Greek Wikipedia, type the name of the topic in the search box and click <Enter>. For example, if you search for "GoingBatty", the search results say "Δημιουργήστε τη σελίδα «GoingBatty» στη Βικιπαίδεια με επεξεργαστή κώδικα ή οπτικό επεξεργαστή (VE)!", which translates to "Create the "GoingBatty" page on Wikipedia with a code editor or optical processor (VE)!" with two links. Be sure you're following the Greek Wikipedia's guidelines and notability requirements, which may be different from the English Wikipedia. GoingBatty (talk) 18:32, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Attribution requirement leading to AfD

One Netha Hussain created an article Misinformation related to the 2020 coronavirus pandemic in India but failed to attribute content while copying from another wikipedia article. How can this be fixed. Surely there must be better ways to resolve this than deletion. --Cedix (talk) 19:44, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

For those who are interested, discussion can be made at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Misinformation related to the 2020 coronavirus pandemic in India. GoingBatty (talk) 19:50, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Template

What is the correct template to use on the user pages of users who did these edits? There are {{uw-tdel1}}, {{uw-afd1}}, {{uw-blpprod1}}, {{uw-idt1}} and {{uw-speedy1}} but none is really accurate.Jonteemil (talk) 20:23, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

@Jonteemil: I think it's important to look at the recent history, not just one edit. The history at Zoe Boekbinder is edit warring. The Rollovers as business start-ups and West Bengal edits were examples of one editor adding a template and then removing it immediately, so no talk page note is necessary. GoingBatty (talk) 21:12, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: I agree with you completely however that was not my question. Of course I'm only refereing to the removals that are bad, often by the user that created the page.Jonteemil (talk) 21:15, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

@Jonteemil: Looking over Wikipedia:Template_index/User_talk_namespace, you could choose {{Uw-copyright-new}} and {{Uw-ewsoft}}. GoingBatty (talk) 21:23, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Why does this article have words Etymology 1 through 3?

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/бытие — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moyprofile (talk • contribs) 21:12, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

This help desk is for questions regarding the encyclopedia Wikipedia. The article to which you refer is in the dictionary Wiktionary, which is a separate project, so if you have any questions you need to ask at wikt:, which has its own help desk at wikt:Help:Contents. --David Biddulph (talk) 21:17, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

misleading information regarding Mandaeans

Good Day This not the first time I read misleading information regarding Mandaeanism (which is my religion), first they are NOT Christian, neither John the Baptist was a Christian, and they considered him as teacher , neither a Christian or Jewish has the right to call them Christian, Second your editor to this subject obviously ignored regarding this religion, They created in ancient Israel and they have an ancient desipute with them, They don’t HATE Abraham, this very strong word to use, they just don’t regard him as one of there prophet All I am asking is your website to be more ethical regarding this subject And there is many modern studies regarding this religion, I think your editors need more education about our religion — Preceding unsigned comment added by 51.9.173.160 (talk) 22:59, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Help Desk! I'm sorry you found the Mandaeans article has some issues. The best place to report that is on the article talk page: Talk:Mandaeans. Providing reliable sources there would help our editors to improve the article. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 23:34, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

May 4

covid 19 death numbers

Why are your numbers so much greater than those of the CDC? You show about 68 thousand, while CDC shows around 37 thousand — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:FD10:B340:FCD4:853C:8B8A:6BC (talk) 02:32, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the help desk! https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html shows 65,735 deaths in the US. If you let us know which Wikipedia article you're concerned about, we can make sure the CDC reference is up to date. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 02:42, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Did I do this correctly?

Brand newbie here trying to make a page and wondering if I did this correctly or if there is something obvious to you experts that I can fix rather than risking the page is removed for my mistakes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kryss_Shane

Thanks so much for sharing your brilliance with me, I am forever grateful! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Munchkin1616 (talk • contribs) 04:09, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

@Munchkin1616: have you looked at Wikipedia:Notability? In particular, has the subject "received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject"? If you are not sure about publishing a page you could use Wikipedia:Articles for creation. I see User:Lopifalko has made some improvements to the article. TSventon (talk) 04:59, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

@Munchkin1616: Hello. As described in my various edit summaries, there were issues with WP:PUFFERY; WP:PROMO; the endorsements were a WP:COPYVIO; MOS:LEAD should not contain info that isn't in the body of the article; it had no categories; and Medium is not a reliable source; WP:SURNAME; MOS:BOLD; MOS:SECTIONHEADINGS; and the fist mention of the subject's name should be in bold. It still lists magazines and countries in which the subject has been quoted, which is superfluous. -Lopifalko (talk) 05:20, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

@Lopifalko and @TSventon: Hi and thanks so much for your helping me with this so I can get it right and not get it deleted!! I linked numerous major magazines, newspapers, tv stations, and websites who have interviewed her or written about her to cover that, should I link more? (I have more but didn't want to link 40 or something if not necessary) How else might I prove her notability? I only used Medium articles because she was interviewed there talking about her academic background and where she grew up and I thought I needed source for that, though I guess it may be in the About the Author of her book so maybe I could cite that? I am using links from her website and such so I have access to that. I could have also fleshed the biography out more but I was afraid that copying/pasting from her site would flag plagiarism and halt this from being kept up on the website. Thanks for all guidance!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Munchkin1616 (talk • contribs) 05:12, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

You're right, a primary source such as an interview is OK for basic uncontentious biographical facts. being quoted by a publication is not considered notable and in my estimation has little value in being mentioned in an article—if the subject is notable you should be able to demonstrate that with independent reliable sources with significant coverage of the subject, not quotes by the subject, or interviews. Try not to use primary sources such as the subject's web site as much as possible. -Lopifalko (talk) 05:31, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

@Lopifalko OHHHHH Thank you for clarifying!! I used her website to show what services she offers and the Medium interviews for the autobiographical information. I thought that showing that she was interviewed and quoted by so many major media sources would show she was notable. Do you think this will get deleted as is or can I leave it and then just keep adding to it over time as more gets published about her book which would include reviews and things she would not be interviewed for or a part of? Thank you thank you for all of your guidance, this is my first time trying to write this and I don't want to get it wrong and have it just get deleted! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Munchkin1616 (talk • contribs) 05:38, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Munchkin1616. Yes, the word "notable" is a bit unfortunate in a way, because it doesn't mean quite the same as the ordinary understanding of the word. The idea is that everything in an article should be verifiable from published sources, and should be neutral about the subject. The "neutral" bit means that Wikipedia is basically not interested in what a subject says about themselves - which means that an interview, or an article based on a press release, is not suitable as the basis for a Wikipedia article. This means in turn that we require places where people who have no conenction with the subject have chosen to publish material about the subject - because otherwise there is literally nothing which can go into the article! --ColinFine (talk) 10:48, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Redirects

Is there a way to make hard redirects act like soft redirects as a preference option. I want not to be immediately transferred to the target page, instead, I want the redirect links to always have "&redirect=no" at the end whenever I click on any type of redirects. Is there a way to do that? Thanks in advance.--SharʿabSalam▼ (talk) 05:30, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

@SharabSalam: Searching through Wikipedia:User_scripts/List finds User:BrandonXLF/NoRedirect. If you follow its installation instructions, that should do what you want. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:07, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Add reference or dead link

Hey can you please help me, how to edit or add reference link or dead link — Preceding unsigned comment added by Top2stock (talk • contribs) 06:06, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

You mean, how to replace a dead link with a Wayback Machine scrape of the page when it was still alive? If so, better put that aside till you understand the basics, which are explained in Help:Referencing for beginners. -- Hoary (talk) 07:05, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

User on multiple IPs on reality show articles—how to handle?

Hi, I think I've posted about this before: I keep spotting what is evidently the same user, who has now appeared under at least four different IPs, making the same types of disruptive edits to articles about reality shows: normally, making changes to either the colours of tables or the names of judges so that the page becomes inconsistent. Because they're not obvious vandalism, they tend to go unnoticed by WP:RCP, though the user also doesn't tend to respond to requests to discuss these sorts of changes before making them.

Each of the four IPs is currently blocked either for disruptive behaviour or block evasion, but it's getting a bit out of hand. I requested a few of the main target pages be protected, but it's clearly not feasible to block every page about every reality show. (In addition, one of my protection requests was initially declined because the edits by three of the relevant IPs were spread over a month, so I'm loath to make any more until I know what the right thing is to do.) Can someone advise if there's any route I've missed, or any noticeboard to post on?

(I've deliberately not provided diffs or the IPs because I don't want to create drama before I post on the correct noticeboard, but I'm happy to supply if requested.) YorkshireLad  ✿  ^(talk) 10:01, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

YorkshireLad, You might wish to ask for a rangeblock at WP:ANI, wherein a range of IP addresses can be blocked, which usually catches folks with shifting addresses. It doesn't always work, but its worth an ask. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 11:18, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

CaptainEek, Thanks! Would that work if the IP addresses all start with different pairs of numbers? (I have little experience with "back-end" internet stuff... YorkshireLad  ✿  ^(talk) 12:05, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

YorkshireLad, Ah, probably not. That also might be evidence that they are different people, but only a CheckUser would be able to tell. Usually ranges will try to block ranges in just the last two number blocks, so for instance if the ip is 1.1.100.100, and recently also used 1.1.100.50 and 1.1.100.80 if you were lucky you might be able to block just a range of addresses in the las tblock between like 40 and 110. Thus you've only blocked 70 IP addresses. But if the first number changes? Even if you protected the range 1./././ to 2./././, you've blocked hundreds of thousands or more addresses, which means you're likely to get collateral damage. However, if there are just two distinct ranges, say a person is editing from their phone or their computer, then it is possible that you could get away with two separate range blocks. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 20:53, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi

Immalice — Preceding unsigned comment added by Immalice (talk • contribs) 10:43, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

@Immalice: Hello, please see the welcome message at your talk page. If you wish to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia please study the links given there and the tutorial; but whatever you decide, please do not continue to make disruptive edits. Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 10:57, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Question about links

I would like to update all the links regarding the recent page move to COVID-19 pandemic. Would AutoWikiBrowser help me do that? Should I request the permission? Interstellarity (talk) 10:53, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

@Interstellarity: AutoWikiBrowser (AWB) does help to make repetitive edits. I'm not sure exactly what you want to do, but two things to consider:

1. One of the AWB rules of use is "Do not make insignificant or inconsequential edits. An edit that has no noticeable effect on the rendered page is generally considered an insignificant edit."
2. WP:NOTBROKEN states we shouldn't bypass a valid redirect and point the link directly at the target page.

Hope this helps! GoingBatty (talk) 13:27, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: Here is an example of an edit I would like to do with AWB. Interstellarity (talk) 14:04, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

@Interstellarity: Edits like that don't seem to fall under either of the cases I mentioned above. Thanks for the example! GoingBatty (talk) 14:35, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

how to add village details

hi, I wanna add my home town and my village details on Wikipedia and protect that context from thers editing please guide me how to add my village details? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ManhaKashmiri (talk • contribs) 11:47, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

@ManhaKashmiri: "[...]and protect that context from [o]thers editing[...]" Then you don't even need to start writing something. Please have a read of Wikipedia:Ownership of content and, as I assume you haven't already, the Wikimedia Terms of Use. Victor Schmidt (talk) 11:53, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

ManhaKashmiri Sorry, you can't prevent other editors from editing any article you create just because you don't want others to edit it. Articles belong to the community, not to those that create them. 331dot (talk) 11:58, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

@ManhaKashmiri: Although you cannot protect the article, we still do want an article, so I hope you will persist. But first, please read WP:NOT to get a feeling of how Wikipedia works. Then, find some reliable sources (WP:RS). Read a few of our articles about other villages to see how they are formatted, pick one you like as an example, and write your article following the guidance at WP:YFA. We usually caution first-time article writers to make sure that the article topic is notable (WP:N), but villages are presumed to be notable, you you are OK on that if you can find any reliable source that confirms that the village exists. -Arch dude (talk) 14:45, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Spam links?

I'm noticing that a lot of articles about towns have what seems to be an excessive list of shop chains. For example Stratford-upon-Avon lists Asda Living, B&Q, Argos, Pizza Hut, WHSmith, Subway, The Big Fish, Game, Jollyes Pet Shop, Boots, M&S Foodhall, Sports Direct, New Look, Outfit, Poundstretcher, Pets at Home, Halfords, Matalan, Next and Costa Coffee. In particular Costa Coffee seems to be linked from practically every town article. This hardly seems to be necessary but it is so widespread that it doesn't seem practical to open a discussion on every talk page. They look like spam to me. Is there some guideline?--Shantavira|^{feed me} 16:40, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Shantavira, I would agree those are both unnecessary and unnecessarily promotional. Are you noticing that, for instance, all the Costa Coffee links are being added by the same user? Remove them and see what happens. If someone reverts, ping them to a new section on the talk page and discuss. —valereee (talk) 17:02, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Junk like that falls under WP:UNDUE and WP:NOTDIRECTORY. I advise purging them mercilessly whenever you find them. --Orange Mike | Talk 19:45, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Citing an article spreading over more than one issue

What's the correct way to cite an article serialized over more than one journal issue, like first two Ben Duncan entries here - ? Retired electrician (talk) 16:55, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Well, Retired electrician we usually cite sentences or at least paragraphs, information that is proported.. generally in a specific page (or at least over a couple pages). You will see bibliographies, but you should try to cite to a specifical page in this case. What is that cannot be sourced to just one of the journals? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:50, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

It is one journal. One article spread over two issues. The subject isn't that hot to warrant citing whole sentences or paragraphs, plain sfn is sufficient. Retired electrician (talk) 20:03, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

President Trumps page is political Prejudice

I have found that there are many prejudice sentences in the Article. I was under the understanding that this is a honest information site and not a political gaining entity writing. I am disappointed at this unfair practice. Very disappointed, and I'm not recommending this site for information anymore. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nettywoods (talk • contribs) 17:33, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

@Nettywoods: Welcome to wikipedia. If you have ideas on how to improve the article, please start a discussion on that article's talk page. RudolfRed (talk) 17:51, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

@Nettywoods: When you post on Talk:Donald Trump (or any other article talk page) to suggest improvements, please be sure to be specific with the sentences that could be improved and provide independent reliable sources. Thanks for helping to improve Wikipedia! GoingBatty (talk) 18:43, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

• @Nettywoods: Wikipedia does not claim to be free of bias. Any bias in independent reliable sources will be reflected in Wikipedia. Wikipedia presents the sources to allow readers to judge them and their bias for themselves. As noted, if you have suggestions for improvement, please offer them. 331dot (talk) 18:48, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Someone keeps reporting me for no reason

Hi there!

Someone by the name of [Juliette Han] keeps reporting me although I am doing nothing wrong. I have tried to change the thumbnail image on the [Mindy Kaling] page because the [Mindy Kaling] image from the 2019 Montclair Film Festival is not an accurate representation of Mrs. Kaling. It misrepresents her in an unflattering manner and is not an up to date image. I have been trying to update it to a more accurate and encyclopedic image. I donated my image (I took it so it was my property) to Wiki to avoid any copyright issues, but yet this individual has reported me for copyright. I have tried to go through the correct levels of warning them of using an unencyclopedic image, but they instead said I was the vandaliser. I am simply trying to make the page more accurate and instead am being harassed. Please help! DayvonHole (talk) 19:21, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

@DayvonHole: I can see on User talk:DayvonHole that you have been involved in an edit war over this image. While you believe that the new image is better, other editors disagree. Instead of making the same change multiple times, the appropriate thing to do is discuss your ideas in a civil manner at the article talk page: Talk:Mindy Kaling. Good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 19:35, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

@DayvonHole: Also, if you work for "Mrs. Kaling", please read Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide. GoingBatty (talk) 19:38, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

DayvonHole, you are attempting to use brute force and persistence in order that a photo you took should be the main photo for the article Mindy Kaling., ignoring escalating warnings. Your account is very close to being blocked. What you should have done was ask others at Talk:Mindy Kaling for their opinions of the new photo, then reach a consensus. In my opinion, it is unflattering and taken from a steep angle.--Quisqualis (talk) 19:40, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

He did not take the photo. He uploaded a copyrighted photo claiming it to be his own work. I have nominated the image for speedy deletion on Commons. --MrClog (talk) 19:45, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

He has also been leaving misleading user warning templates on our talk pages. Ed6767 (talk) 19:46, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Ed6767 and MrClog I did take the photo!! I took it with my own iPhone!! I have no idea how to use wiki and I have been doing my best to abide by the rules. I did research and was informed that I should add a warning to your change because it used an unencyclopedic image Ed6767. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DayvonHole (talk • contribs) 20:19, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

DayvonHole I have to agree with the editors above. I just did a reverse search on the image in question and found it on other websites, one that you can't just create an account and upload it. I am sorry to say this, but you just hurt your cause by lying. If you aren't lying and you did in fact take that image, you might need to disclose that, as the image is on other websites. Elijahandskip (talk) 20:25, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Elijahandskip Are you talking about the Montclair photo? I did not take that--I have tried to change it to a personal photo that I have taken that Juliette Han keeps saying is copyrighted. The photo I am trying to change it to is one that I took from The Late Late Show set. DayvonHole (talk) 20:32, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

DayvonHole, I am wanting to clarify, is this the photo you want to add or what is it in relation to the conflict? a photo you took. Elijahandskip (talk) 21:03, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Cross-wiki watchlisting?

Is there a way to include Commons pages on my enwiki watchlist? CJK09 (talk) 19:57, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

There is none. Global watchlist is a long standing community desire that has not been realized yet. Ruslik_Zero 20:58, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Category Market research companies by country, formerly (and should be) Marketing research

Category:Market research companies by country, which was correctly named Category:Marketing research companies by country, houses 16 SubCats named Marketing. The terms are not identical: Market research and Marketing research each have a wiki article.

I am seeking to restore the correct naming.

I tried WP:REFUND (since one of the two actions was a delete). There I was directed to WP:CFD. One of the two people who did the summertime rename REVERTED my request at CFD with one word: Misplaced.

I am coming to the help desk based on the first word of your desk's name. Pi314m (talk) 20:46, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Disambiguation hatnote if there is no article?

Does anyone know if we ever use hatnotes to disambiguate a subject from another subject who doesn't have an article? Here's the scenario:

• Aarushi Sharma is an Indian model and actor. She looks like this.
• There is another actor, Arushi Sharma. She looks like this and appeared in a film called Love Aaj Kal.

The second one, however, does not have an article, but twice recently,[3][4] people have mistakenly attributed the movie Love Aaj Kal to the first actor. It seems like a hatnote would help suppress the confusion, I'm just not sure if that's typically done. Thoughts? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 21:38, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi,

I am assisting someone of notable standard in Poland. The polish wikipedia on them can be found here, https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%B3zef_Blass. They were active and involved in another notable entity, in Poland, and that wikipedia page can be found here https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klub_Poszukiwaczy_Sprzeczno%C5%9Bci. However, the latter page has no mention of the individual involved who was the President of the organization for 14+ years (i.e. notable to be listed on the wikipedia article). Since the individual already has a wikipedia article RE: themselves, would it be allowed to add information regarding this and then use primary sources? I am having a bit of trouble understanding all of the ins and outs of required sources.

On the same note, are you able to request a wikipedia article be created/added to another language's wikipedia? I.e. can I create an english version of the polish artciles above? (this his my main question) 1106kathleen (talk) 21:44, 4 May 2020 (UTC)1106kathleen

Editing my Page on the site didn't work and now information is missing. Below is the original and I would appreciate if it could be reinserted. Thank-you

Ron Burnett (1947) is an author, professor and the President Emeritus and Research Director for the new Centre for Transdisciplinary Studies at Emily Carr University of Art and Design.

Education

Burnett was born 24 May 1947 in London, England.

In 1981, he received a PhD in Communications Studies from McGill University. He was a Professor at LaTrobe University in Melbourne from 1983-1986 and a teacher, during the 1970's at Vanier College in Montreal. He was the director of the Graduate Program in Communications at McGill University from 1987-96.

Works

Burnett is the author of Cultures of Vision: Images, Media and the Imaginary, published by Indiana University Press in 1995 and How Images Think published by MITPress. He is the editor of Explorations in Film Theory published in 1991 by Indiana University Press. He is the author of over 150 published articles and book chapters.He is an adjunct professor at York University, and is one of the founders of Canadian Film Studies through a journal that he developed and edited, Ciné-Tracts, from 1976 until 1982.

Dr. Burnett completed twenty-two years as President and Vice-Chancellor at ECUAD and is now President Emeritus and a Professor and Researcher Carr University new campus https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/vancouver-s-emily-carr-university-unveils-new-campus-1.4276807/title=Emily Carr University new campus. {{cite web}}: Check |url= value (help); Missing or empty |title= (help)

Honours

• Queen's Golden Jubilee Medal 2002
• iDMAa Outstanding Leadership Award 2010
• Educator of the Year, Canadian New Media Association, 2005
• Order of France: Chevalier of the Ordre des Arts et des Lettres, 2010.
• Queen's Diamond Jubilee Medal, 2012
• Royal Canadian Academy of Arts
• Member of the Order of Canada (2013)
• Member of the Order of British Columbia (2015)

See also

• List of Canadian university leaders

External links

• Official site