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October 2

Lists of (x) alumni

I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask this, so please feel free to point me to the right place if it isn't. I'm running into conflicts with other editors about the notability of people listed in "List of (x) alumni" style articles. My understanding, though I can't seem to find where I read this, is that non-wikilinked and redlinked people on these lists are presumed to be not notable and can be removed. Other editors seem to think differently. See [1] and [2], and [3] and [4] for examples of what I am talking about. I suppose my question here is, where are the relevant policies about this, and am I in the right? Hbent (talk) 00:27, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There's Wikipedia:Lists and Wikipedia:Stand-alone lists, the second of which mentions that "Selected lists of people should be selected for importance/notability in that category and should have Wikipedia articles (or the reasonable expectation of an article in the future)." So, if a reasonable argument can be made that a Wikipedia article should exist on a person, then they can generally be left on the list (of course, that then prompts the question as to why not write the article first, prove that it's notable enough to survive deletion, and then add them). Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 04:26, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Just being an alumnus does not make these people notable, so you must establish the notability. What you are really missing are references, important in any article, but especially if you want to work towards Featured List; you need a reference for each entry even if it has an article. You don't have to have an article on everyone, but if they are truly notable, then they should have an article. I help maintain List of Eagle Scouts (Boy Scouts of America); for every redlink that is added and can be verified and demonstrates notability we will create an article. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk - 10:14, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

See also Wikipedia:Notable alumni which did not become a guideline byitself but resulted in the guideline at Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Lists of people. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:32, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Editing the Wikipedia Page on Morgan Freeman

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I am trying to edit the following section of the entry on Morgan Freeman:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morgan_Freeman#Films

I have tried to add the narration he did for the 1990 film "The Civil War" (produced by Ken Burns). Freeman was the voice of Frederick Douglass.

Every time I have tried to exactly imitate the format for putting this into the Wikipedia page, it comes out over on the right hand side of the page instead of the left. Here is what I want to add:

1990 / The Civil War / Voice of Frederick Douglass

I don't know what I'm doing wrong as I have tried to exactly copy the format used....but it won't correctly appear on the page.

It might be easier if you could go to the Wikipedia page (listed above) to make the edit - could you? Again, it is simple:

1990 / The Civil War / Voice of Frederick Douglass

Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.107.49.97 (talk) 00:57, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That should take care of it Deezil (talk) 01:47, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.107.49.97 (talk) 21:23, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Can you mark articles as 'read'?

Is it possible to mark an article as 'read' if you are a logged in user? After a time it becomes difficult to remember if you have read an article or not. It's possible to keep a manual record of what you read, even a list here maybe as a subpage or something, but wouldn't it be better if there was a feature that allowed you to mark a page as 'read' (and maybe even 're-read') similar to how you would mark it as 'watchlisted'? Wikipedia could keep a similarly private record of all the articles you had read, which would certainly be handy. This is really a feature request, but I first want to be sure that nothing like this exists already - that you would have to do all this manually at present. Richard001 (talk) 02:04, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing like that exists. Maybe you could just use your browser history. -mattbuck (Talk) 02:59, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, not possible as part of the basic Wikipedia services. You could probably whip up a .js extension to allow instant adding to a userspace list if you wanted to, though. --erachima talk 04:13, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Google Desktop and similar desktop search software can keep track of the Web pages you view. I don't know whether these programs allow you to mark the pages you view as "read," but as long as you read every page you view, that might work. On Wikipedia, you can add pages to your watchlist, which could be an ugly way to keep track of what you have read - clearly not what the MediaWiki designers intended, but it might sort of work. Since Wikipedia constantly changes, the article you read a year ago may not be the same article today. If you cannot remember whether you have read an article before, why not just read it again? Forgetting an article means you are effectively in the same situation as if you had never read the article at all. --Teratornis (talk) 04:31, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A browser history is no use because it doesn't last and doesn't travel with you when you go to another computer. A userspace list would be more portable but doesn't offer any privacy like a watchlist does. It also uses up more space/processing power (read/not read requires only one bit). Pages you read are only a small subset of those you view. Not being able to remember whether you read an article is certainly not synonymous with never having read it at all.

Would it be possible to construct a .js extension that would allow you to do this without creating a page? I suppose one that did create a list would be okay, though the existing watchlist function (which keeps any article in one of two states - watched/unwatched) could so easily be modified to allow this (just remove the showing of changes, and maybe add multiple states (e.g. unread, read, re-read, triple-read, to-read). Richard001 (talk) 06:00, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia futurology section

What is the name of the section where people can write essays about the future and futurology and the original research guidelines are relaxed somewhat? I visited it a couple of weeks ago but I forgot the name of it. Keraunos (talk) 03:26, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think we have a section like that... WP:CRYSTAL and whatnot. --erachima talk 04:12, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(Though I now notice that the policy section I just linked has a link to wikia:future:, which might be what you meant...)--erachima talk 04:14, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

example.com/yourownwebsite :) But seriously, this is outside of the scope of wikipedia or any of the related projects I know of. Wikia is not wikipedia project, but it might have a place for your essays. ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 18:59, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

a list what sells the most online

Im trying to find a list of stats and demographics about what sells the most online please help thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.39.151.142 (talk) 04:34, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

See Electronic commerce, Amazon.com, and search with {{Google}} for:

what sells the most online

If you can't find an answer, try asking on the Reference desk. --Teratornis (talk) 04:48, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

40 corrections to Wiki Battleship Texas BB35 - recommendations how to proceed

I am a first time Wiki editor and I have 40 corrections to make to the wiki Battleship Texas BB35. I would like some suggestions as to how to proceed for I am concerned that such a quantity will cause a disturbance. Using a sandbox, can I place a copy of the complete wiki article along with all of my corrections for other editors to view?

All of my corrections are cited with original source documents. I am cited in the reference for I had the most extensive and detailed BB35 website. My data was based on my research using original source documents. I have source documents that the ship's administrators do not have (though I offered). Using a variety of computer programs I created the only know set of as-built 12 March 1914 Booklet of General Plans with several detailed drawings and data pages. I mapped the ship's complete movement history with a computer mapping program (MAPINFO) and data that I purchased from the National Archives. I made an ACCESS database of the ship's drawings that are in the ship's files (paper and microfilm) having looked at every paper drawing. I also created an ACCESS database of 2,500 ship photos that can be searched on and photos displayed in hundreds of ways. I also scanned over 1,500 photos. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.180.135.204 (talk) 05:18, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

welcome to wikipedia. my first step would probably be to discuss the proposed changes on the article's "talk" page (clicking on that blue/purple phrase will take you to that page, then click the "new section" tab at the top). although you're not required to create an account, it's often easier to communicate with other editors if you *do* have an account and log in before posting/editing - you can read about that here. it sounds like you're already aware of wikipedia policies regarding original research and verifiability, but in case you want an introduction to wikipedia fundamentals, you might find this page useful: WP:Introduction oh and please "sign" your posts to "talk" pages by typing four tildes at the end. happy editing ... Sssoul (talk) 08:40, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Or just be bold and change the article. Just don't get fussed if everything gets changed back! Signing up for an account might help your credibility, but don't worry about it too much. If you make good changes, they'll stay, if you don't, they'll get reverted. You could always try making the changes five-at-a-time, to see how well it goes. Good luck! Franamax (talk) 09:03, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Since you know a lot more about USS Texas (BB-35) than you know about Wikipedia editing yet, the simplest way to get started might be to team up with someone who has more editing experience on Wikipedia and shares your interest in the ship. You can find such users on Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Peer review/USS Texas (BB-35). (Note: the fact that someone requested a peer review for the article shows that the article needs improvement. You could add your comments to the peer review.) The most effective way to communicate with other users on Wikipedia is to first create an account, so you establish a fixed identity (or pseudo-identity) on Wikipedia. That lets other users build up an idea of what you are about and the things you are doing here. Then read Help:Talk and Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines to learn how we communicate with each other. You might also join Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history; at the very least, read that project's pages. For a general introduction to editing, take the WP:TUTORIAL. --Teratornis (talk) 20:16, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note that the Peer Review is over a year old, so posts there may no longer get much attention. If you look on the "discussion" tab for the page, and make comments for discussion there. The project is currently showing as part of multiple WikiProjects, all of whom would likely have participants that will watch the discussion page for new comments.

All of the WikiProjects involved seem to have rated the current state of the article as GL-Class on the quality scale, which suggests that any large-scale changes will be looked at very closely, making posts on the discussion page even more important. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 20:38, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Adding a section to a page

Hello I would like to ask you guys how to add a section to a page, because as I was looking at my old school I found it did not have a feeder list like South Dade Senoir High School. The page in question is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homestead_High_School_(Homestead,_Florida) . I would like to add a feeder list to it. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.139.118.253 (talk) 12:05, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Do you know what the feeder schools are? Then go to the section History and click the edit button there, at the bottom add a blank line and then place something like ==Feeder list== and then on the next line start editing. Hopefully that will help you. 211.30.12.197 (talk) 12:11, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

For more information on this, and about editing in general, refer to WP:EDIT. Please make sure that the information you include is suitably referenced. Cheers. Chamal ^Talk ± 12:14, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dr. Joyce Cherono Laboso

Hon. Dr Joyce Cherono Laboso sister to the late Hon Lorna Laboso who died in a plane crash won the Sotik seat in a recent by- election held on 25th September 2008. She beat 11 other contestants after she garnered 23,880 to clinch Sotik parliamentary seat with a vote margin of 10,000 to her close challenger Rtd. Brigadier Sitienei. Dr Joyce is a former french Lecturer at Egerton University and currently serving as a Commissioner of the National Commission on Gender and Development.

Hon. Dr. Joyce is a Phd holder whose name came to the limelight when she read a moving Euology of her late Sister Hon. Lorna Loboso. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kalyet08 (talk • contribs) 14:02, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you want an article on the honorable doctor, you can create it here. See WP:YFA and WP:BLP. If you want to request that an article be created, see Wikipedia:Requested articles. Zain Ebrahim (talk) 14:26, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I flagged the article for further review due to likely non notability. The notability seems mainly inherited, no assumed notability is established and the article also does not seem to comply to the notability guideline for politics. Excirial^{(Contact me,Contribs)} 11:48, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A member of the National Assembly of Kenya is inherently notable. I've done some work on the article and sourced it a bit, but would welcome some assistance. --Orange Mike | Talk 01:48, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sync of portal and boxes

Hi, I have a portal on which I have done some edits to the individual boxes within the portal. Each box on itself displays correctly the changes, but when I return to the main portal page none of the changes are apparent. Its as if the portal page is frozen. However there are no warnings or anything. Can anyone help? FYI this is also the first time this happens - are the Wiki servers and dbs having problems? User: Nicolas39 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nicolas39 (talk • contribs) 14:18, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Try purging the portal page. Zain Ebrahim (talk) 14:22, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If that doesn't work, you might want to supply us with the diffs so we can help you out further. :) — neuro^(talk) 10:48, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Can't get multiple college students signed on to do a project on Wikipedia!

Each semester I do a wonderful "History of Education" project with my beginning freshmen education students at Morningside College. When my first class attempted to sign in today, they were all told only 6 from the same IP address can sign on in 24 hours. I understand why this is but why am I having this difficulty this semester when I never had it before?

I have NEVER had this problem before: Is this a recent change???

Can you note my IP address and allow more students to sign in, please??? I need approximately 75 students to be able to sign on in www.wikipedia.com!

Is there some way we can work this out? Their inability to sign in almost makes this project impossible.

Please reply as soon as possible. I'm going into a second class and will probably have the same thing happen.

Dr. Chobar Education Professor —Preceding unsigned comment added by Edprofessor5302 (talk • contribs) 17:37, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You should consider asking your students to each create their own account on Wikipedia. The benefits of creating an account are set out here. – ukexpat (talk) 18:02, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You're hitting account creation limits design to limit abuse/vandalism on wikipedia. Persons needing accounts should email accounts-enwiki-l@lists.wikimedia.org. You're may need account creator rights, or Wikipedia:Request an account. If you're already in your second class I'm guessing this hasn't been cleared up by then. You may also want to read Wikipedia:School and university projects. -Optigan13 (talk) 18:33, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, visit http://stable.toolserver.org/acc/acc.php rather than emailing that list, as the list has been deprecated. I am inclined to give Edprofessor5302 accountcreator permission for a week or two to help him clear the matter up. Stifle (talk) 19:15, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You might find something useful in User:Teratornis/Tips for teachers, in particular User:Teratornis/Tips for teachers#Choosing the right wiki. Since Wikipedia is constantly changing, the fact that Wikipedia worked for your class in the past does not predict whether it will always work equally well in the future. Wikipedia has its own agenda, changing constantly due to many factors none of us individually control. Perhaps the most reliable method to insure that you have a tool that meets your particular needs would be to set up your own school wiki. Since you teach this same class each semester, perhaps you have (or want to have) each successive class of students repeating some things the previous class did. That might be inconvenient to arrange on Wikipedia, because Wikipedia continuously evolves in the direction of greater complexity and technological sophistication. Over time, we can expect Wikipedia to become gradually harder for new users to get started with, because most of the easy beginner-type jobs will be long since completed. For example, Wikipedia already has 6,867,371 articles covering most of the obvious encyclopedia topics. The remaining topics to write about tend to be of increasingly questionable notability, making them more prone to deletion. The ultimate goal of Wikipedia is to bring all the articles up to featured quality - while this might require centuries at the current pace, technological and organizational progress may speed up the improvement. If Wikipedia does reach its goal, then there won't be much easy work left to do on Wikipedia - most of the further editing will require lots of skill and knowledge. Since your class is already underway, you probably cannot set up your own school wiki in time to help the current students, but you could have it ready for next semester. Contact the people who set up your school's Web site and tell them you want them to add a MediaWiki wiki to it. For example, see UMassWiki. --Teratornis (talk) 20:01, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You might also consider Wikiversity which is open to these kind of projects. –xeno (talk) 20:09, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How do I tell if a wiki page is 'semi-protected' or 'protected'?

I have never edited Wikipedia before and don't know how to tell what level of protection is on a page. I am looking to edit/update a 'City of' page... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.230.144.88 (talk) 18:16, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you see a padlock at the top right hand corner of a page, the page has some degree of protection on it. See this page for the various types of protection and what they mean. To which page were you referring? Cheers! TN‑X-Man 18:35, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Type the name in the protection log and it'll come up when it has been protected. Sunderland06 (talk) 18:46, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A more practical way to tell is to just edit it. It will immediately tell you if you can or can't edit the page. ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 18:57, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) The presence of a template such as {{Pp-semi-protected}} is not a sure-fire indicator, as there may be both false positives and false negatives:

Only administrators can set the protection status of a page, but anyone can stick a template on it. Someone may put a template on a page that indicates the page is protected, when it isn't, either due to a mistake, or a deliberate attempt to make the page appear to be protected.
An administrator who protects a page may forget to stick a template on it.

Thus we need a definitive way to determine the protection status of a page. One way is by trying to edit the page. If the page is fully protected, and you are not an administrator, the edit tab at the top of the page will say "view", and you won't see any section edit links. If the page is semi-protected, you will only be able to edit it if you have logged in. Another way is to look up the page on Special:ProtectedPages, but that page appears to lack a way to show the protection status for a given page. Instead the page lists various types of protected pages, in no particular order as far as I can see (this is unlike Special:AllPages which does sort its page list, making it straightforward to get to a particular page). However, on Special:ProtectedPages you can prune the list by specifying a namespace and a size range. You can see exactly how large a page is by looking at its history. That's a rather awkward method to look something up on Special:ProtectedPages, but given the rather baffling lack of the obvious feature of sorting the list of pages, I don't see another easy way to look up a specific page. A less obtuse way is to check Special:Log, where you can look up a particular page by its title, and view its protection log (among other things). For example, the Henry Ford article is fully protected, and its log page shows the history of various administrators protecting and unprotecting it. --Teratornis (talk) 19:14, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe I'm being denser than usual here, but isn't the easiest way to go to the history page of the article in question and click on "View logs for this page" at the top? If the article is currently protected, "edit=autoconfirmed" in the protection entry will indicate semiprotection, and "edit=sysop" will indicate full protection. Deor (talk) 23:45, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, it turns out the page wasn't protected. I have been reading up on the ins and outs of Wikipedia and overcomplicated the matter. I appreciate the input! And if you'd like to take a peek, it's the City of Minot, ND homepage. 24.230.167.32 (talk) 21:02, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Translators (radio)

Yesterday I saw a newspaper article online about a new radio station, 98.1 the River, which did not list call letters. I started the article using all the information I had available (though if I had more time, like I do today, I could have seen more). I have found call letters for the station, which was a translator and still uses call letters that a translator would use.

Should the name of the article be those call letters? Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 18:17, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Take a look at WP:NAME#Broadcasting. – ukexpat (talk) 18:25, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Essay

can you please help me to write a specific essay. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.227.88.91 (talk) 21:39, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No, we don't do your homework for you. But you can look up information in Wikipedia. And if you have a specific question, they may be able to answer it at the Wikipedia:Reference desk, but they won't do your homework for you either. —teb728 t c 22:35, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, the answer to this query is "yes". We, WP and the RefDesk can certainly help the OP write her/his essay subject to the usual constraints. Zain Ebrahim (talk) 11:52, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

We can indeed help, as that is the nature of Wikipedia, but it would be wise to note that 'help' does not equal 'writing it for you'. Neurolysis 10:41, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Darts problem

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Hi. I have just edited darts by adding a citation. It is Cohen and Tonkes (which is currently ref number 6). The Journal is open-access. Can some kind wikiguru tell me how to make a live link to the PDF? Best wishes, Robinh (talk) 21:56, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The citation templates contain an optional "url" parameter. Just enter the full web-address of the pdf to include a link. Someguy1221 (talk) 22:08, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sweet. That's really good. Thanks, Robinh (talk) 07:28, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Page disappearance

I spent 3 hours editing "Mezcal" yesterday as I am THE expert. I have been very depressed by the faulty info on the page. It was almost complete... 5 minutes from finish and;

1. the page dissapeared

2. I was logged out

3. I can not log back in

4. requested new email and it has not been sent.

Is this the usual user experience with Wiki?

Ron Cooper 209.188.122.44 (talk) 21:57, 2 October 2008 (UTC) [e-mail address deleted][reply]

The edit history (here) shows that Mezcal has not been edited since 9/28... – ukexpat (talk) 23:53, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, Ron, you may have been caught in a server problem. You might wish to save your changes as you go along to avoid losing your work if the page crashes. This means you only need to redo a little bit if you run into a snag. Spartaz ^Humbug! 06:52, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

All movie

Resolved

For Template: Infobox film where would you find amg id on the site.--Adrian 1001 (talk) 22:23, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Go to http://www.allmovie.com/, type in the name of the film. I've constructed an example for you, I searched for Empire of the Sun (film) and made the necessary edit. You can see the diff here. Basically, the last section of the url when you search for a film is what you need, regards ——Possum (talk) 22:41, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks very much--Adrian 1001 (talk) 22:50, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

October 3

Citing Wikipedia

Do I have to cite wikipedia if I use it for information. If so, is the name of the site "Wikipedia - The Free Encyclopedia?" Thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.103.0.1 (talk) 00:16, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Take a look at WP:CW. – ukexpat (talk) 00:26, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cats Singapore.

Why do so many cats in Singapore have unusual short malformed tails? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.146.49.72 (talk) 01:16, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Have you tried the Miscellaneous section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 01:37, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps you refer to the Japanese Bobtail. I found this article in two steps:

I pasted part of your question into {{Google}}: cats in Singapore have unusual short malformed tails
That found a link which mentioned "bobbed tail" so I searched Wikipedia with Google for: cat bobbed tail, and the top result was Japanese Bobtail, a cat breed common in Japan and Southeast Asia.

My cursory search did not reveal for sure that the cats in Singapore are Japanese Bobtails, but the breed fits the description and lives in the general area. The next step would be to read more about that breed and see if it is common in Singapore. For example, you could probably call any pet shop or veterinarian in Singapore and ask them, or search for cat fancier associations in Singapore. Or just read this page. --Teratornis (talk) 17:43, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Postcard's License

Aquitania (talk)If I want to upload postcards, what license will be?Aquitania (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 02:40, 3 October 2008 (UTC).[reply]

See my reply to your similar question here. The answer has not changed. —teb728 t c 07:58, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Leighrayment.com

I just found another instance of [:http://www.angeltowns.com/town/peerage/ Leigh Rayment's Peerage Page] on Eardley-Wilmot Baronets (see history) although google and wiki don't list it. There are numerous others that need changing, because he is now at www.leighrayment.com, e.g. Williams Baronets and Baron Coleraine. How do I find them all? Kittybrewster ☎ 12:23, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Try this Special:Linksearch. You can plug other urls with a wildcard before them such as *.leighrayment.com--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:10, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

New question - wealth

do you know the links between wealth and value creations —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.230.34.24 (talk) 16:19, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to the Wikipedia Help Desk. Your question appears to be a homework question. I apologize if this is a mis-evaluation, but it is our policy here to not do people's homework for them, but to merely aid them in doing it themselves. Letting someone else do your homework does not help you learn how to solve such problems. Please attempt to solve the problem yourself first. If you need help with a specific part of your homework, feel free to tell us where you are stuck and ask for help. If you need help grasping the concept of a problem, by all means let us know. Thank you! TN‑X-Man 16:25, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Start by reading the Wealth article. If you want to surprise your teacher, you could work in some of Richard Heinberg's articulation of Ecological energetics from The Party's Over: Oil, War, and the Fate of Industrial Societies. Heinberg focuses more on energy as an input for wealth creation. Other authors such as Raymond Kurzweil focus more on information. One can characterize the many various inputs for wealth creation in terms of energy, material, and information. For example, labor provides highly sophisticated forms of information processing, and small amounts of energy from muscles. Humans provide only negligible amounts of material directly (such as human hair for wigs, and donor organs); most material that humans convert into useful products comes from natural resources; some of these are finite, and others are renewable. Computers are an attempt to automate the information processing formerly done by human brains, but at the moment computers can only replace human labor in a tiny subset of tasks, and are mostly useful now to augment human intelligence by handling the highly repetitive grunt work, freeing humans to focus more on the sloppy, noisy, unstructured, and ill-posed problems which humans can sometimes solve by mental processes that no one fully understands yet. When someone fully understands the underlying mental processes, they will program them into computers. For more about that, see:

Kennedy, Noah (1989). The Industrialization of Intelligence: Mind and Machine in the Modern Age. Unwin Hyman. ISBN 9780044403456.

--Teratornis (talk) 18:05, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox?

Resolved

– Tnxman307 was kind enough to answer my question Anonymous101 (talk) 19:35, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What is the appropriate infobox for Constitution of Cyprus? Anonymous101 (talk) 19:28, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

{{Infobox document}} is the box on the page for the US Constitution. I think it would be the best one to use. Cheers! TN‑X-Man 19:30, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. That is exactly the type of infobox I was looking for, I just couldn't find it. Anonymous101 (talk) 19:35, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Single and double spacing

Hi. Is it just me, or is it that when you edit an article the text seem to randomly switch between single and double spacing, and the changes seem to register on the main text as well? Thanks. ~A H 1^(TCU) 22:33, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm inclined to say it's just you, as I've no idea what you're talking about. Could you possibly provide a screenshot? Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 00:08, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This is because some editors prefer to double space, and some prefer to single space after a full stop. See here. — neuro^(talk) 10:34, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

October 4

Namecalling, to-do list, and any general words of wisdom

Hi there,

I'm a newb Wikipedia editor (joined July and contribute intermittently). I haven't done much editting to actual articles yet (mostly talk pages) because I'm not yet comfortable I know the rules well enough (although I feel my knowledge of the material I wish to edit is excellent). I'd like to move on to focus on article edits themselves now.

Does good etiquette require I always have to discuss an edit on a talk page? For example can't I just make an edit and wait and see if anyone objects before going the talk page route? (seems less time consuming)

Nope, be bold. Of course, if you anticipate the edit being controversial, you should discuss it first. Tan | 39 00:13, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How does Wikipedia define name calling? For example on a few hot political topics I've already been called irrational, insane, POV-pusher, clueless, nationalist, and several other names. Up to now I just use the exact same words back because I don't want to be someone's dartboard but neither do I wish to overshoot. Ideally though I would prefer no name calling at all (seems immature on a personal level no matter what the issue). Is this practically achievable? I'm sure everyone here has encountered this instigater issue on some level so some good practical advice on how to reply would sure help.

See WP:CIVIL for some information. Follow the golden rule, and try to assume good faith. Take any serious cases to dispute resolution, such as WP:3O or WP:ANI. Tan | 39 00:13, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have a boatload of facts (several pages) that appear to be missing from various Wikipedia articles I'm interested in editting. I'd like to assemble them into a to-do list (formatted to Wikipedia standards) but am unsure where the line between a to-do list and "soapboxing" is drawn.

Any general words of wisdom based on experience?

Thanks for any help in advance --Crossthets (talk) 00:07, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

We encourage editors to be bold in their editing. Unless you know something you're planning to do is going to be controversial, you're welcome to go ahead and do it. If someone does revert you, however, you are expected to try to discuss with them to figure out why they don't like what you did.
WP:CIVIL is probably the best policy to link you to here, and WP:COOL wouldn't hurt either. If you're being called names like that, it's usually best to simply stay calm, and avoid retaliating if you can. Should things get really nasty, you may want to seek dispute resolution on the issue to help smooth things over. Something else you can do is look over what you've done to see if the other person actually has a case, and if you're not sure, you can always ask for a third opinion.
You should probably add such a to-do list to the talk page of the relevant article (or a link to one of your user subpages which has the to-do list) and discuss with other editors what is necessary and what either doesn't need to be included or should be placed elsewhere. Some talk pages have a {{todo}} template which allows you to post such lists onto a subpage of the article's talk page, so it's easy for everyone to find and change.
Use common sense, and don't be a dick. Those are the main rules around here, and everything pretty much falls under one of those two, or in some cases both. Don't focus on what is "right", focus on what can be referenced and checked over by others. Consensus is not unanimous, nor is it always majority rule, but it's not a flag to wave around so you can get your way. Most importantly, when all else fails, drop everything and talk. If talking fails, take a breather or two and go back to talking when everyone's ready to go. Everything else is, as I said, more or less common sense. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 00:20, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As Hersfold indicates, the general policy is WP:Be Bold. However there are controversial articles where a more cautious approah to editing is advisable and is specifically requested. See for example Talk:Abortion, Talk:Homeopathy and Talk:Book of Mormon. In each of these talk pages, there are special instructions about how to approach editing. These can be found in text boxes at the top of each talk page. Wanderer57 (talk) 00:39, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(undent) If you've already been called "irrational, insane, POV-pusher, clueless, nationalist, and several other names", that suggests you are selecting controversial topics that are much too difficult for a new Wikipedia editor. You should begin by editing non-controversial articles. Stay away from politics, religion, and other topics that cause people to hate or kill each other in real life. Stick to boring nonpolarizing topics until you develop the sangfroid necessary to contribute effectively to the hysteria-generating articles. You can find lots of safely dull yet important work to do on Wikipedia:Maintenance. Another excellent option is to answer questions on the Help desk - that's one of the best ways to learn what Wikipedia is about, and the environment is mostly positive for the editors who answer questions here, since the volunteers absorb themselves in other people's problems. Also, whenever someone calls you insulting names, it's best to just stick to demonstrable facts rather than get sucked into responding in kind. This could be important if you ever try to become an administrator - in which case other editors will look for evidence of your sangfroid (the ability to avoid flying off the handle when dealing with people who fly off the handle). --Teratornis (talk) 04:20, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Reporting Vandelism

Yesterday, an articles on my watch list ( Goodpasture Bridge ) was vandelised by User talk:216.235.136.195. I reviewed well over a dozen of the hundred or more entries on the user's history page and found nothing but vandelism. The user talk page has many/many warnings, but it appears user-site is a school. Still the site is producing lot's of vandelism. Isn't there any thing that can be done to close that site?--Orygun (talk) 01:09, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

An administrator could block the IP address from editing if it continues vandalizing Wikipedia. Neptune5000 (talk) 02:21, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, and on an unrelated note, I am sure it was unintentional and simply a misunderstanding by myself, but "an articles I wrote" sounds like ownership. You might want to read WP:OWN, but as I say, it is most likely just a misunderstanding. :) — neuro^(talk) 10:32, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It means he created the article. Neptune5000 (talk) 16:59, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

'Created' can be considered a breach of WP:OWN as well, according to the guideline. I don't hold that view myself, but it does say that. — neuro^(talk) 20:23, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion of Regan Mizrahi Article

I wanted to ask about the deletion of the Regan Mizrahi article I posted earlier today. Regan is a young actor who has a starring role in Dora the Explorer as well as having minor roles in two motion pictures. Finally he has been in many commericals which air on a regular basis. I did my best to link to other relevent sites such as his IMDB entry and a site which has videos of all his commericials.

So, what did I do incorrectly and what can I do to remedy it. Thank you. Eteran (talk) 02:16, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It has been deleted because you hadn't asserted why the subject is notable enough to have an article here. This is under criteria A7 of WP:Criteria for Speedy Deletion. Please see Wikipedia:Notability and Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons for more information about this. Cheers. Chamal ^Talk ± 02:38, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And see WP:WWMPD. --Teratornis (talk) 04:03, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

notability/shared name/disambiguation

I share my name with another "person of notability". We are both listed on Wikipedia.

She is listed under our shared name, noted for film contributions. I am listed under a band name, I am a musician. However, I am filmmaker, designer and business owner (as well as a musician) and I do not wish to have confusion over our creative contributions to film or otherwise.

I am aware that one should not create a page about themselves, but feel the need to clarify my name for those who search for my creative work, and not have my film contribution mixed with hers.

I would like to create a small page about myself, link it to the current on Wikipedia information about me and "disambiguate" under our (shared) name. I could substantiate information with several articles of significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources.

Is this fair? If so, how do I make my listing if her name already exists?

Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Maximumalien (talk • contribs) 03:29, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The relevant guidelines are WP:BIO, WP:AUTOBIO, and WP:DISAMBIG. --Teratornis (talk) 04:00, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you want someone to interpret those guidelines for your specific case, you'll have to identify the existing article you allude to in your question, and tell us the reliable sources you have for your biographical information. Note that on Wikipedia, there is not really a concept of "fairness." See Wikipedia:There is no common sense. Instead, Wikipedia is like a giant MMORPG with 47,811,253 other people, in which we all try to guess what we can write that everyone else will refrain from deleting or editing beyond all recognition. This comes as quite a shock to most people, since in most other kinds of writing, what we write tends to stay put until we ourselves decide to change it. Nothing in prior real life experience for most people prepares them for the cruel world of Wikipedia. --Teratornis (talk) 04:28, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It appears that the more popular of the women is Monica Breen. The questioner is likely an ex-drummer for the Gore Gore Girls. There is a disambig link on top of Monica Breen now. -- kainaw ™ 04:37, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm currently working on the article List of Prime Ministers of Sri Lanka. The table of contents does not appear in the article. I tried using {{TOCleft}}, but that changes the layout of the page. Can someone give me an idea about how to include the table of contents? Chamal ^Talk ± 04:47, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have added the table of contents for you on the article. To read on how table of contents are structured, go here WP:Table of contents. This will tell you most everything you need to know on how they are used and how to manually adjust them. Good luck.-JavierMC 04:55, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Great! Thanks a lot. Chamal ^Talk ± 04:57, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

did i do it correctly?

I added a character, Orlanda Ramos to the Noble House page, but I have no idea how to position it. Sorry for any inconvenience. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Moonchildalways (talk • contribs) 06:28, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've fixed it. Consider reading Wikipedia:How to edit a page and Wikipedia:Your first article to learn about editing Wikipedia. Cheers. Chamal ^Talk ± 06:35, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People from Yolo County, California

On the Category:People from Yolo County, California page, the subcategories have parenthesis that reflect that zero people are in those subcategories. Its not because of recent additions, because there were already people in those categories. Killiondude (talk) 08:08, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The zeros indicate that there are no subcategories under those categories. It does not indicate the number of articles in that category. Chamal ^Talk ± 08:27, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

an incomplte/not correct bio on me published on Wikipedia to be deleted

Hello,

I'm Christian Leotta and I have found on Wikipedia a Bio, searching my name, which is not correct or incomplte. How can be it cancelled? There is actually published a bio on my which I would like to cancel. I can then provide my correct and complete bio.

While awaiting for you reply, I send my best greetings. Thank you for your answer.

Christian Leotta Ludwig11132 (talk) 09:13, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, thanks for using Wikipedia. If your biography is incorrect or incomplete, why not be bold and fix it? GlassCobra 09:14, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That said, in general you should not edit articles about yourself. If you are editing the facts themselves, make sure to reference them with appropriate sources. :) — neuro^(talk) 10:30, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

this will probably be worthwhile reading for you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:AUTOBIO#If_Wikipedia_already_has_an_article_about_you

Sssoul (talk) 11:15, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

and this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Help Sssoul (talk) 12:45, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It is a myth that you should not edit articles about yourself. Provided you comply with the relevant polices, anyone may do so. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 12:52, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It is not a 'myth', please see WP:COI. — neuro^(talk) 12:57, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, but I am familiar with that page; and nowhere on it does it say "you should not edit articles about yourself". If you disagree, please cite the relevant text. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 13:41, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it does say, ungrammatically, "It is not recommended to write an article about yourself". The differences between "should not" and "not recommended" and between "editing" and "writing" an article seem inconsequential to me. Gandalf61 (talk) 16:51, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WP:COI explains some of the pitfalls of writing about oneself. An editor who can avoid all the pitfalls would, therefore, not be one the editors WP:COI is cautioning. However, I would be surprised if someone who is very new to Wikipedia editing could avoid all the pitfalls. I would interpret WP:COI as saying "Here is what usually happens when people write about themselves"; someone who is willing to take the risks could then be bold. What is being bold about anyway? The soldiers who stormed the beaches at Normandy were bold, and they found that being bold carries a price. We could also write guidelines against dangerous hobbies such as BASE jumping - the warnings would deter some, but not all. Some people can only learn by getting smacked. --Teratornis (talk) 17:36, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Another alternative is to list supposed inaccuracies or omissions on the article's talk page, and ask another editor to add them to the article. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 12:54, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

An article can't be cancelled (unless you are a non-notable person and it gets put to the vote for deletion). The article Christian Leotta exists so, assuming it is kept, it is up to you, or those who know you, to add to it. Don't add any self-praise or "peacock" words like "brilliant" or "talented" or they will quickly be removed. There is no problem in adding the new stuff yourself so long as it is within WP policies. The "don't edit your own article" is a recommendation not a rule - Best Wishes - Adrian Pingstone (talk) 13:09, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I'm so glad we've cleared THAT up!!! The message I am getting is that original poster either can, or can't, or shouldn't, or should, edit his/her own article. AndyJones (talk) 07:58, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Privileges

If you check, I have recently been allocated Wikipedia:Rollback_feature but find my name to self centered (A Cool Editor). Is it possible to change my username, while still preserving my rollbacking rights?? A Cool Editor (talk) 09:23, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there. If you want to change your user name, just go to Wikipedia:Changing username, I believe your rollback rights will still be preserved. (Why not? :)) Even if your rights is somehow accidentally removed, you can certainly get it back easily without having to go through formal requests (Just ask any admin!). No worries. --PeaceNT (talk) 09:31, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

AFAIK, the changing of a name of a user is no different than renaming a document file on your computer; the information in the file remains the same, but the name on the file changes. Likewise, when a Wikipedia user is renamed, the entire edit history, along with any user flags and priviliges, is retained. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 05:07, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sidemenu creation

Does anyone know how to replicate one of the menus on the left with normal wikitext on any page? (Like 'interaction', 'toolbox' etc. and all the links and colours.)

And also, for a second attempt... does anybody else possibly know anything about this? -- Menti sock 12:09, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You might want to ask the latter at WP:VPT, but as for the former, from what I can see Wikipedia will allow the source code to be C&Ped with no blocking of code, but I might be wrong. — neuro^(talk) 12:31, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What programming language do you use on wikipedia?

Is this HTML or what??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.75.213.102 (talk) 14:27, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No, it's called Wikitext, and it's not exactly a "programming language". See Help:Editing, Help:Wikitext examples and Help:HTML in wikitext for information and instructions on using it. Cheers. Chamal ^Talk ± 14:37, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And you should take the WP:TUTORIAL. The programming language of MediaWiki software that powers Wikipedia is PHP. However, only a relatively small number of Wikipedia's developers look at the PHP code (it's all freely available if you want to join them). A much larger number of editors on Wikipedia edit in wikitext as the above reply explains. Wikitext is an example of a markup language. The main idea on a wiki is speed ("wiki" is Hawaiin for "quick"), and thus wikitext is a very abbreviated markup language, compared to more complex markup languages such as HTML, XML, and DocBook. When I started editing on Wikipedia, I too wondered "Why didn't they just use HTML?" However, wikitext is easy to learn, and once I learned it, I found it is more efficient than the other markup languages I have used. In particular, wikitext makes it very easy to add links, and as you can see from our replies, that is extremely helpful on the Help desk where we speak in Wikipedia's jargon. Without links on all these jargon terms, our replies would be much more difficult for new users to understand. --Teratornis (talk) 16:31, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Long Beach, California

In naming districts, you are missing Lakewood Plaza. Sometimes called Plaza Subdivision. I live there and it is not on your site by any name. We are by the Eldorado Park (N) also (N) of Los Altos, West of College Estates, EAst of South of Conant. Thought you might want to add this subdivision in your information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.247.83.99 (talk) 14:51, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This Help desk is for questions about using Wikipedia. It's unclear from your question whether you are requesting a new article about Lakewood Plaza, or asking to add it to some existing article (perhaps Long Beach, California) or to a navigation template such as {{Los Angeles County, California}}. Is this "Lakewood Plaza" a Census-designated place? Is it different than Lakewood, California? What do you mean by "in naming districts"? Be specific enough to allow someone to figure out what you are talking about. You were probably looking at some article on Wikipedia when you decided something was missing. For someone to correct whatever problem you perceived, they must start by looking at whatever article you looked at. Give us a link to it. --Teratornis (talk) 17:09, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A search of: www.census.gov for: "Lakewood Plaza" did not match any documents. What is your County? What is your ZIP code? What city name do you use for your mailing address? --Teratornis (talk) 17:24, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

just guessing from the title of this post, i reckon you mean Long Beach, California and are talking specifically about the "neighborhoods" section of that page. if that's right, i suggest making the change yourself, by clicking the "edit" button at the top of the "neighborhoods" section, or bringing up the omission on the article's discussion page: Talk:Long Beach, California (click the "new section" tab at the top and propose the addition you want). Sssoul (talk) 17:28, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Missing out full stops

Why do people miss out full stops on articles? I have been on a lot of articles and I have seen full stops missing. Why is this? 82.26.189.187 (talk) 15:01, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is free for anyone to edit, if you see any full stop missing kindly add them.--Adrian 1001 (talk) 15:13, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You may be interested in Wikipedia:WikiProject Punctuation. It mentions some cases where Wikipedia does not use punctuation. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:31, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

the wikipedia manual of style is no doubt worth looking at too - not sure what kind of "missing full stops" you're referring to, but maybe the section about acronyms & abbreviations will be pertinent to some of them. if you're talking about plain old typos, then yeah, go ahead and fix them! Sssoul (talk) 15:43, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

movie synopsis

Is there a rule on Wikipedia that you shouldn't copy movie synopsis from any site? If yes can you show me where Thanks--Adrian 1001 (talk) 15:03, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, copying anything from any website not licensed under a free license is against copyright law, and Wikipedia policies. If you are looking to add a synopsis, just look at the one on the website and write one similar, but not close to, it. The full Wikipedia copyright policy is located at WP:COPY and WP:COPYVIO. RedThunder 15:15, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Company Lists

Hello, I am wanting to add a company onto a list of companies, that doesn't seem editable. I am trying to put Cupsogue Pictures onto the following list of companies http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Film_production_companies_of_the_United_States and I would be very grateful if you could help me do so. Thank you Grahampitt (talk) 16:23, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done. The trick is to add the category to the bottom of the article, not add the article to the category. Anyway, give it a few, and you should see the list updated. Tan | 39 16:27, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

for future reference this link might be helpful: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:CAT#How_to_categorize_an_article Sssoul (talk) 16:31, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Google Chrome - IPA problem

I'm seeing a bunch of boxes in IPA when using the new Google browser. What's the deal? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.18.226.186 (talk) 22:02, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I believe it's happening because Google Chrome doesn't have as much rendering support as Internet Explorer or another browser.. I may be wrong though. You could try changing your browser. Thanks, Genius 101 ^Guestbook 22:12, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

USS New York LPD 21

Hello On the subject of USS New York LPD 21 there was spamming for ussny.org performed by user name Matt Wilson. Phil Sandifer had repeatedly removed it but it has returned under the new user name of Qlewjris which might just be a sock puppet. I own the web site www.ussnewyork.com and am listed as a link so it might be a COI for me to undo the entry. They are not the official USS New York web site, http://www.new-york.navy.mil/default.aspx is, they are the Commissioning committe. Thanks Scott Koen —Preceding unsigned comment added by Scottkoen (talk • contribs) 22:12, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

When your editing fully complies with policies and guidelines, such as when you are clearly removing spam, then in my opinion (which means zilch) WP:COI does not apply. It's only potentially a conflict of interest when your editing expresses some sort of self-serving bias. Such as if I were to edit the Teratorn article with "The mighty teratorn was the most wonderful bird that ever lived. If we overlook the carrion-eating habit." If you really want to avoid all suspicion of COI, you could leave a note on User talk:Phil Sandifer letting him know the spam is back. --Teratornis (talk) 05:57, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

perjury

hello, i would just like some guidense, i have to answer questions such as what year was the word perjury first used? what would be the best way to search for that type of an answer? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.172.174.247 (talk) 22:55, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You might try asking at WP:RD. They may be able to answer your question there. Hope this helps.--JavierMC 23:36, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Take a look at Perjury. – ukexpat (talk) 00:52, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Here's another source for the etymology of the word perjury--JavierMC 01:34, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

October 5

Listing all pages created by a user

Is there any way to generate a list of all Wikipedia pages created by a given user? I've wasted a couple of hours today trying to figure out how to do this, to no avail.

Of course, Special:NewPages can easily give such a list for the past month, but is there any way to get the complete list back to a user's earliest contributions? This tool http://toolserver.org/~escaladix/larticles/ can (very slowly) generate a list of all articles and redirects created by a user, but appears to work only on the article namespace and not any other.

A similar question was asked here about a year ago (see Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2007 September 23#New pages), and there was no good answer at the time. Has anything changed? Is there any such thing as a "page creation log"?

It would be great if Special:Contributions simply had a checkbox to "Show pages created only", since it already displays a bold N beside any such contribs. How does one go about asking the developers to add such a feature?

Thanks for any help that anyone can provide. --Seattle Skier (talk) 00:12, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There isn't such a feature as far as I know. You can ask for the feature at Bugzilla. Pie is good ^{(Apple is the best)} 02:46, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Never say never until we check the Editor's index. Under WP:EIW#NewA is the link:

New articles created by any specified editor

Let us know if that works for you. --Teratornis (talk) 05:48, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Next time I should read the question more carefully, or answer when I am actually awake. --Teratornis (talk) 20:32, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion of Marshall Hall, Tennessee Technological University: It was deleted with no clear reason given against Wikipedia English Policy.

Hi, I'm a frequent user of wikipedia and have written many internal MediaWiki articles as an employee at some of the worlds Fortune 100 companies. I was reading up on Gaither Vocal Band and noticed that a page from one band member Marshall Hall was deleted. There was no reason stated for the deletion other than WP:Prod. Given the 'religious' nature of the page, it seemed a little controversial and felt a bit capricious to remove this page; especially because no reason was given. My I suggest the page be brought back (or can we have the page returned as Marshall Hall? Religion aside Gaither Vocal Band is a prolific and famous musical group with millions of followers. A page on Marshall Hall seems just as reasonable Steve Green. It seems perfectly reasonable to have a page on each member of this group. --Spaden777 (talk) 00:23, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your link goes to Marshall Hall, Tennessee Technological University which only contained:

Image:Fourth_floor_marshall_exit.jpg

History
Constructed in 1961, Marshall Hall serves as a coed residence hall and is one of the engineering halls in the Pinkerton Quad complex. It is named in honor of Annie White Marshall, former art professor and dean of women at Tennessee Technological University.

References

Category:Tennessee Technological University

I haven't found evidence that there has been a Wikipedia article about the Marshall Hall who is in Gaither Vocal Band. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:47, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Since the article Gaither Vocal Band started in [5] it has linked to Marshall Hall which doesn't mention this Marshall Hall. It is unfortunately common that editors don't check where their links go. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:57, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have placed a red link to Marshall Hall (singer) in Marshall Hall, and I have edited Gaither Vocal Band to link there on Marshall Hall's name. If you don't have a conflict of interest and you can provide evidence that Marshall Hall satisfies Wikipedia:Notability (people) or Wikipedia:Notability (music) then you can create a biography there. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:10, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Editing Albert Schweitzer

Hi, I've tried to substitute Kaysersberg (which is the current spelling) for "Kaisersberg" in line 2, but the normal procedure doesn't seem to work.
Surprisingly, I was able to do so elsewhere in the article. Why there but not here? Somebody willing to show me the trick?
Thanks in advance, --Zack Holly Venturi (talk) 05:27, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:LEAD#Editing the lead section. --Teratornis (talk) 05:44, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I want to nominate a deletion

to PbNation. However, there are so many different methods for doing this...speedy, WP:Prod, AFDs....can someone take a look, make a determination on what the best way is, feel free to undo what I've already done, and then suggest how I could have handled this better? Thanks! --Kickstart70-T-C 05:09, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In general, the safest way is to choose the more conservative or deliberative method. Any of the three methods works, though any objections to a "Speedy" or to a "Prod" leads to an AFD anyways. Someone has already listed it as a PROD, though I don't know who (it may have been you). Also, whoever HAS listed the PROD needs to perhaps rephrase it, being a target of problematic edits is never a reason for deletion; one could easily say that the article on George W. Bush is a target to become "a cesspool of insults and POV edits" and yet, no one would ever consider deleting it for those reasons. Stick to the standard deletion reasons (WP:NOT, WP:N, WP:V, WP:NFT, WP:DICDEF are some of the most commonly accepted reasons) and avoid the perjoratives in deletion nominations. Again, this may have not been you, but it bears noting that whoever HAS placed the PROD notice has not set a good example... --Jayron32.talk.contribs 05:19, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks...I cleaned up the reason for deletion (yeah, it was me and your concern is correct). Is PROD the correct choice for this? Basically, there are current edits in the page that are problematic in and of themselves ("In retrospect, DK Radar is the best person to have ever graced the prescience of PBNation"), and I think the original notability complaint on the page (not by me) has merit. Anyway, at this point I will leave it as is and hopefully someone runs with whatever else needs to be done. --Kickstart70-T-C 05:28, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, but be prepared at least to take it to AFD. PROD's can be removed without cause and by anyone. If it is removed, this can be taken as a tacit objection to the deletion, which means that an AFD should be started to discuss both the reasons for deletion, and said objections. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 05:49, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ok...that was the crux of my original question. If this can be removed by anyone, for any reason, why bother using the PROD method at all? Seems like I should have gone to afd right away in the first place. Should I switch it now? --Kickstart70-T-C 06:09, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No, you may get lucky. Once you have tagged many articles for deletion, you will get a better feel for when each (db, prod, or afd) is most appropriate. If you've only ever been involved in a few, then its hard to find the right opportunities for each. Remember, you can't screw anything up that bad. Anything done at Wikipedia can be undone. Leave the PROD. If it flies, it flies. Just be ready to do the AFD if it comes to that.--Jayron32.talk.contribs 06:17, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

←One other point here. PROD also gives the article 5 days to mature. If someone feels they can improve it by sourcing, neutralizing, and expanding it into a better article, this affords them that opportunity. Some PRODs are beyond help and at the end of the grace period an admin will come along and delete it without it going to AFD. However, if you place the article on your watchlist and someone removes the PROD and then makes no effort to improve it, then your option is to move it to AFD. Do not reapply the PROD, because it can be remove again. Taking it to AFD allows for a more thorough examination of the articles merits and whether the community agrees with your recommendation or not. Cheers.--JavierMC 07:02, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How do you move a page?

Some created Robert tjian. It should be Robert Tjian. How to fix it and move the history over. Cut and paste will not do. Can you do it for me? 903M (talk) 05:56, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done. In the future, there is a "move" tab at the top of every page. It will bring up a page with a simple, easy to follow dialog asking for a new name for the page and the reason for the move. Its pretty simple and self-explanitory. As long as you are an autoconfirmed user (had an account for 4 days and made 10 edits with it) you are allowed to move a page yourself. Good luck, and if we can do anything else, let us know. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 05:59, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Withdrawing an AFD

Hello,I wish to withdraw my nomination of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Don't Copy That Floppy (2nd nomination) for deletion. How do I do it? --Fireaxe888 (talk) 07:00, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Once you have taken the article to AFD, there's no reversing your recommendation per se. You can add a comment at the AFD that you have reconsidered your original recommendation, and state your new choice of merge, keep, rewrite, etc. But once it is moved to AFD, it is in the communities hands to act on the proposal. I see that it already has community votes, so you should just let the AFD run it's course. Just add your new change of mind to those of the other votes and wait the outcome. It looks like the consensus at this time is for keep anyway. Cheers--JavierMC 07:08, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thats not exactly accurate. AfD's are withdrawn all the time, and closed for that very reason. Synergy 07:19, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(ec) Then maybe you can provide him with the correct procedure. Saying that my recommendation was wrong without providing a solution isn't exactly answering this editors question. And Fireaxe888, I apologize for my inaccurate advice and have therefore, struck it.--JavierMC 07:34, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please look at my comments below. Thanks, – RyanCross (talk) 07:35, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In fact, I've closed the AfD as a nominator withdrew the AfD here. Fireaxe, to close an AfD, read the instructions at Wikipedia:Deletion_process#Articles_for_deletion_page, or you can simply say "I withdraw this AfD" on the AfD nomination page if you are withdrawing the AfD you nominated. – RyanCross (talk) 07:31, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

FWIW, I think Javier's was the better advice, here. Just note your change of mind at the AfD itself. Sometimes a withdrawn nomination is a reason for a speedy close (as it was in this case) but if other editors have voted delete then it shouldn't be. AndyJones (talk) 08:51, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Transclusion question regarding the Notability RFC Compromise page

I'm really confused. Why is my edit here visible here but not here? It looks like one page is transcluded on the other. Isn't that correct? AndyJones (talk) 09:22, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The job queue hadn't caught up yet. A null edit fixed it. Algebraist 09:30, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent. Working now, thank you. AndyJones (talk) 18:59, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Another trick to remember is WP:PURGE. --Teratornis (talk) 20:23, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hyperlinks without underscore

In the German wikipedia hyperlinks are just blue. I like that better than blue with underscore, as in the English wikipedia. Is there a possibility for users to set that option individually on their computer? Ceinturion ^{t | c} 11:58, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. Go to Special:Preferences, select Misc, then choose the appropriate selection from the dropdown menu. Prince of Canada^{t | c} 12:35, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, it works! Ceinturion (talk) 19:20, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Modify template or create slightly different one?

Hello, I'm not very good at wikicode...do you see a way to modify this template so that if a conditional is omitted or false, that the {{{1}}} would not be italicized? For example, the conditional here might read "is a person:" {{DramaWiki|The Show|bool}}. If it's true, it would therefore not be italicized. When I made the template I didn't realize there would be more actors than shows (silly). Thanks for your insight. Louis Waweru Talk 14:53, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

{{#if:{{{1|}}}
          |[http://wiki.d-addicts.com/{{anchorencode:{{{1|}}}}} ''{{{1}}}''] at the [[DramaWiki]]
          |"Error, you must define the DramaWiki article."}}

I would try:

{{#if:{{{1|}}}
          |[http://wiki.d-addicts.com/{{anchorencode:{{{1|}}}}} {{#ifeq: {{{2}}}|italics|{{{1}}}|''{{{1}}}''}}] at the [[DramaWiki]]
          |"Error, you must define the DramaWiki article."}}

This way you'd get:

{{DramaWiki|The Show|italics}} → The Show at the DramaWiki

{{DramaWiki|The Guy}} → The Guy at the DramaWiki

- SigmaEpsilon → ΣΕ 23:05, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Help with listing an aritcle for deletion

I tried to list Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/ESilicon and related articles but it does not seem to have worked. Any suggestions? --Gerry Ashton (talk) 17:36, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. You need to capitalize the "e". :) --PeaceNT (talk) 17:41, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I thought that might be it, but didn't want to experiment too much. --Gerry Ashton (talk) 17:57, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Add a page in a Category

Hello,

I would like to add a page in a Category (ex.: add the Mickael Phelps page in the Category "American Athlets")

Do you help me ?

Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stricker20italia (talk • contribs) 18:08, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Simply go to that category, copy it's title ("Category:WhateverItsNameIs"), and then go back and paste that near the bottom of the article where you see the other categories (or if there aren't any, then place it at the very bottom). Then surround it with double brackets (like "[[Category:Whatever]]"). Done! Click save. Calvin 1998 ^(t·c) 18:15, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

For your example, you would place [[Category:American athletes]] at the bottom of Michael Phelps. Calvin 1998 ^(t·c) 18:17, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stricker20italia (talk • contribs) 19:52, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

But before you do that, make sure Michael Phelps is not already in a subcategory of Category:American athletes. An article should (usually) not be in both a category and one of its subcategories (reference: WP:CAT#Some general guidelines, item 3). See Help:Category, WP:CAT, and WP:EIW#Cat. Categories can be very confusing for Wikipedia users who are editing categories for the first time. They certainly were for me. You may need to read the links I gave several times over several days for that stuff to sink in. Given the extremely high profile of Michael Phelps, his article has probably had the attention of many experienced editors, so I would be very surprised if it had any obvious category omissions. In other words, you should probably not mess with the categorization of the Michael Phelps article until you are at least as experienced as the other editors who have worked on that article. A better place to learn about categories would be Wikipedia:WikiProject Categories/uncategorized. That is, you could start by categorizing some articles that don't have any categories yet. --Teratornis (talk) 20:22, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

global account

Hello, I clicked on "Manage your global account" because I wanted to find out what it was, and it still doesn't make sense. Does this mean that I don't have to make another account name on another Wikipedia site? It took me something like 5 or 6 tries to find something that wasn't taken. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by LovesMacs (talk • contribs) 18:54, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The page Help:Unified login will give you all you need to know about global account/unified login, and you can complete the process at Special:MergeAccount. Thanks. Sunderland06 (talk) 19:15, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

R.E.M. ROCKPALAST DVD

I am having a very difficult time trying to ask a question in any forum. I wish to know if there is any WEB SITE that has thr R.E.M. Rockpalast DVD for sale. It was show on Comcast Cable TV in my area and did see a site that had this for sale. Is there any place in Wkipedia that I can go to ask others if they know of where I can purchase this DVD.

-- Thank you much - bob d. Bogastow (talk) 20:00, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You could ask at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Entertainment, but the first obvious thing to try would be to search the Web with Google for: REM Rockpalast which finds 27,000 hits. Are you familiar with using a search engine? --Teratornis (talk) 20:12, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Can an admin please reinstate a previously deleted article please?

Mikhael Jaimez-Ruiz once existed as an article but was deleted after the player failed to meet notability guidelines having never played in the football league, however he has now met this criteria so can the article now be reinstated? Thanks. Flaming Ferrari (talk) 20:57, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have restored it and added an external link which confirms he has now played in a professional league. Will you expand on that in the article? PrimeHunter (talk) 22:51, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

2008 Presidential Candidate Ruth Bryant White

You have a list of Presidential that you interviewed. Ruth Bryant White was one of the first of your Candidates interviewed for Wikipedia for the 2008 Presidential Elections? Ruth looked at Wikipedia as we were informed that another Presidential Candidate was interviewed and he and other Candidates are listed as Election 08 Prsidential Candidates, but Ruth was not a part of that list. Do you think you can add her to that list with the Presidential Seal on an 08 Elections?

Thank you,

Steve White Senior Advisor —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.96.160.207 (talk) 22:01, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I guess you are referring to Wikinews:Wikinews interviews Ruth Bryant White, independent candidate for US President. Wikinews and Wikipedia are different sites with different goals and policies although they are both run by the Wikimedia Foundation using the same MediaWiki software. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and does not make interviews but is based on verifiable content already published by reliable sources. The Wikinews interview of Ruth Bryant White is linked in Third party (United States) presidential candidates, 2008#Independents. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:21, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Merge histories

I just wanted to say that someone moved the an article from Ubuntu Live USB creator to Live USB system creator with copy-paste, and I tought it would be good to merge the history.... SF007 (talk) 23:14, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I fixed it. jj137 (talk) 23:38, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK, nice, thanks. SF007 (talk) 00:06, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

October 6

Box Characters

In Boolean_algebra_(structure), some of the characters (probably meet and join) only appear as squares, even within the edit page. Do I need some sort of patch to see them? Black Carrot (talk) 04:40, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:EIW#Math, Wikipedia:Mathematical symbols, and Wikipedia:Browser notes. You could also search the Help desk archive for: math symbol; that finds a few previous reports of similar problems. I'm guessing the problem is browser-dependent. What Web browser are you using, and can you try or install some more? The Wikipedia:Mathematical symbols page shows a list of math symbols and their HTML codes. If you cannot see some of the symbols on that page, you could search with {{Google}} for the name of your browser and a symbol you cannot see, and maybe someone will have written about it on the Web. --Teratornis (talk) 19:57, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Update problem with SSP report

I have added a comment[6] to an SSP report. This appears at the sub-page, but not at Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets, even though I edited the sub-page from the link on the main page, and clicking this link now shows the amended report. Have I done something wrong, or is there a bug somewhere? RolandR (talk) 07:41, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It shows now. Sometimes, transcluded pages will not show properly unless the page's server cache is purged. See here for information and instructions on purging. Cheers. Chamal ^Talk ± 10:56, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

displaying eastern characters

How do i get wikipedia to display eastern characters (Chinese, Japanese, etc) on my pc?Pandoradude (talk) 09:01, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You need to have multilingual support enabled on your computer. Please see Help:Multilingual support (East Asian) for instructions on installing and setup of multilingual support for your operating system. Cheers. Chamal ^Talk ± 12:05, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Combining two categories

Is there any way to combine Category:2008 albums and Category:Debut albums so that I can get a list of debut albums released in 2008? Many thanks. --Richardrj ^talk ^email 10:40, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it can be a bit slow but use this link. --Stefan ^talk 14:45, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I Can't Make An Info box

when ever i make an info box none of the things i put in come up in the preview screen all i can see is an empty table what am i doing wrong? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ja93de73 (talk • contribs) 10:51, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What are you trying to make in the info box? I maybe able to do it for you. Vandalismterminator (talk) 11:57, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

slow growth of mutual fund industry in pakistan

203.175.99.102 (talk) 13:06, 6 October 2008 (UTC)i have to make questionnaire on the above topic and this will be fill by bank account holders. Hypothesis is lack of awareness in the people and preference towards banking sector. plz help me[reply]

This page is for questions about using Wikipedia. You may be better served by asking at the reference desk. Cheers! TN‑X-Man 13:13, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WRITTING AN ARTICLE ON WIKIPEDIA

I TRY TO CREATE SOME ITEMS ON WIKIPEDIA AND I HAVE NO PROBLEM CREATING A USERNAME, BUT WHEN I CREATE A PASSWORD I HAVE PROBLEMS.

VINCENT GIOVANNANTONIO —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.187.197.42 (talk) 14:27, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What are the problems? We can't help you if you don't specify what the problem is. Maybe the article Password strength will help you with creating a good password. Cheers. Chamal ^Talk ± 14:58, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Create an Account Problem

I just created an account and when I attempt to log in I am told I am using an incorrect password or name. I assumed my initial registration failed for some reason so I resubmitted a create an account request and then got a message to use another name or password because the combination I am attempting to use is already taken. So my first registration was successful but I can't seem to log in with it.

15:08, 6 October 2008 (UTC)~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.176.151.10 (talk)

If you provided an email address when you created the account than you can request that a new password be emailed to you. If you did not provide an email and you cannot remember the password you entered than the only solution is to create a different account. Also, to sign your posts you must type four tildes not two. (Perhaps a typo?) Scottydude _talk 16:27, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

un-sudo?

Assuming I am running some bash script as root, and I need to do some actions as a regular user, is it possible to "un-sudo" inside the script? Or do I have to make another script? one for root actions ans other to non-root actions? SF007 (talk) 15:11, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This page is for questions about using Wikipedia. Please consider asking this question at the Computing reference desk. They specialize in answering computer questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link and ask away. You could always try searching Wikipedia for an article related to the topic you want to know more about. I hope this helps._Gb^T/c 16:07, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Damn it! I posted on the wrong page because of a simple distraction. Thanks for the reminder. SF007 (talk) 16:35, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

peeweepeewee  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Apalmer360 (talk • contribs) 17:55, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Posting copy for Desperados beer

Hi There, I'm trying to post some copy for Desperados beer. See below. The page is getting automatically deleted & i'd be grateful if you can give me some tips on how I can create it. Please read the copy and let me know what I can do to post it. Thanks a lot

Desperados Beer is a 5.9% ABV tequila flavoured beer. Made from the finest ingredients of malt barley, hops, water and tequila. It’s best enjoyed when served chilled between 5-7 degrees Celsius. The addition of a wedge of lemon or lime, gives the beer an extra zingy kick.

The name ‘Desperados’ (meaning a vagabond and outlaw from the Texas and Mexico border areas) reflects the brands original, uncompromised character. The symbol of a lizard is often associated with Desperados, as it symbolised the wild, exotic and untamed nature of the brand.

Desperados was first brewed in 1995 and has enjoyed over ten years of success France, now holding the position of the fourth largest beer in this market. Desperados is owned by Heineken France and produced by Brasserie Fischer Breweries. Desperados is now sold in over 50 countries and continues year on year growth. In 2007, 9 million cases of Desperados were sold world-wide, the largest growth in sales coming from the UK market.

In June 2008, Heineken France instructed Tiger Beer UK Ltd. To drive the Desperados brand in terms of sales and marketing in the UK.

Wigwam1234 (talk) 15:44, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

i'm not sure what you mean by "getting automatically deleted" - possibly someone tagged it for speedy deletion because it's a piece of promotional writing. PR isn't in line with wikipedia policies. please have a look at these pages: WP:SPAM#Advertisements_masquerading_as_articles, WP:NPOV and at some of the related policies & guidelines you'll find links to there. hope that helps Sssoul (talk) 15:53, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

To quote the deletion log "blatant advertising". Wanderer57 (talk) 17:14, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yearbook pictures...public domain?

I found some pictures of Paul Reubens (Pee-Wee Herman) from his high school's yearbook (1970). My question is, are yearbooks published with a copyright notice?? because if they aren't the pictures would be in the public domain. They were also published on the St. Petersburg Times in 1985.--Yamanbaiia^{(free hugs!)} 17:10, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nice try but copyright law can apply even if there is no copyright notice. Probably this varies by country but it is certainly true in the USA. Wanderer57 (talk) 17:20, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong, it depends on the year. The yearbook is from 1970, so unless there was a copyright notice on the yearbook they are on the public domain per this. The newspaper printed the images crediting a staffer and the theatre where some of them were taken, no (c) note. Anyone has another point of view?--Yamanbaiia^{(free hugs!)} 17:37, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Newspapers are copyrighted, and were back then as well. You'd have to copy the image straight from the original yearbook. If there was no copyright notice in the yearbook, then under the law prevailing at the time, the contents mostly went into public domain. --Orange Mike | Talk 17:42, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Can't get checkmate to load

I've been trying for about two hours to get checkmate to load, but it won't load. Other pages I've tried work. Does it work for other people? Bubba73 (talk), 17:40, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Won't load for me either. Probably best to report it over at the technical section of the Village Pump. – ukexpat (talk) 17:54, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Worked for me, but the page did hang while loading. I'd guess it's because of all the chessboard images aren't static images but are being created by loading images for each square on each chessboard using Template:Chess_diagram.Laenir (talk) 17:55, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It loads for me now. – ukexpat (talk) 17:56, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It is still not working for me. Yes, it has to load an image for each square of the board each time. Is there a way to have it generate a static image of the diagram and save that? We went away from using static images in favor of this system a few years ago. Bubba73 (talk), 18:08, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Moved to VP:technical. Bubba73 (talk), 22:23, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

creating a page

'Bold texthello my name is andrew palmer

i emailed you to ask how do you create a new page? , say about a football team such as man united

please email me back ASAP —Preceding unsigned comment added by Apalmer360 (talk • contribs) 17:48, 6 October 2008 (UTC) [reply]

Please read WP:YFA -- and as you might expect there already is a Manchester United article. – ukexpat (talk) 17:53, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Trouble sending message to Bzuk

I want to send a messsage to Bzuk in connection with an error in article "The Ruptured Duck (B-25)" and the article "Ted W. Lawson" but the message window does not open when I get to that page. What can I do? Paa123 (talk) 18:02, 6 October 2008 (UTC).[reply]

This is the direct link to leave him a new message. :) Best, PeterSymonds (talk) 18:10, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

User talk:Bzuk is semi-protected so you must have an autoconfirmed account to edit it. Your account should automatically become autoconfirmed when you make two more edits. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:32, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

advertising as part of an image

A chart has been added to an article I wrote. Nice chart but it includes a business name and website. Should I delete this? Ask that the chart be uploaded again without the advertising? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rsmcphail (talk • contribs) 18:05, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Just to check - you're talking about the chart on Tax_information_reporting, I take it? _Gb^T/c 18:39, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes - it was also added to Tax forms in the United States —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rsmcphail (talk • contribs) 18:46, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I looked at WP:EIW#Image for guidance, and at first glance I see Wikipedia:Media copyright questions where you might ask for opinions about this image and its appropriateness for various articles. WP:ADVERT doesn't seem to mention images explicitly. I agree that images could provide a sneaky way to advertise on Wikipedia. --Teratornis (talk) 19:44, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Based on my understanding of the related policies and license used, I do not believe that we can use the image and have removed it from both articles.

I believe the relevant policy to be WP:IUP#User-created images, specifically the part that reads:

"Also, user-created images should not be watermarked, distorted, have any credits in the image itself or anything else that would hamper their free use, unless, of course, the image is intended to demonstrate watermarking, distortion etc. and is used in the related article. All photo credit should be in a summary on the image description page." (bolding added by me for emphasis of relevant text)

The credits in the image file shows that it was allegedly uploaded by the creator of the image, whose URL is displayed in the image. However, because the images are released under Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 Unported, I do not believe we can simply crop the image. That license stipulates that "You must attribute the work in the manner specified by the author or licensor". As the author seems to want the URL in the image, and WikiPedia's image use policy says not to use such images - I do not believe the images can be used in the related articles unless the original contributor modifies the images him/herself to meet Wikipedia's policy requirements. The other option is to find an alternate source for a similar image - or to find a source for the data and to crete a table rather than using an image to display it. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 20:09, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Blocking a vandal's account

Where do you block vandals' accounts? User:Cabb driver doesn't seem to agree with Steamboat Springs and has added profanities and deleted some sections of the text. What's the protocol to block the account? As I'm about to log out, it'd be great if someone could just go forward and take the necessary action; feel free to do it "in my name" if you prefer to do that, with a link to this post. Thanks! --Ibn Battuta (talk) 18:21, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, only admins can block an account. If you would like to report a vandal, check out this noticeboard. However, Cabb Driver does not appear to have edited since yesterday and may have stopped. I have warned him and will watch for more problems. Cheers! TN‑X-Man 18:26, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A report to WP:AIV at this point in time would most likely be rejected, as one of the requirements is that the vandal is active now, and as Tnxman points out, they haven't edited for 18 hours or so... 18:41, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Indeed, the user seems to have stopped. If they return, please try another warning, and if that doesn't work, report to WP:AIV. Good luck! --Jayron32.talk.contribs 19:46, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Meh. No sense giving an obvious troll another free edit or two. I've blocked indef as a vandalism only account. --barneca (talk) 19:58, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

About a tab

Some years ago, I remember there was a tab on the top of the Wikipedia interface. When clicked, the tab showed the difference from my last edit to the current for that article. Anyone knows what happened to that tab, and if I can re-enable it? =Nichalp «Talk»= 18:50, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I believe that tab is part of the Twinkle set of functions, which can be simply installed by adding importScript('User:AzaToth/twinkle.js'); to one's monobook.js file. Regards, EJF (talk) 19:19, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Registered users can also install Twinkle via the Gadgets tab of Special:Preferences. – ukexpat (talk) 20:10, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Its not Twinkle or any gadget. Twinkle is something new, just about a year old. The tab was present for a short while in 2005. =Nichalp «Talk»= 04:36, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Then see the userscript library. It's likely in there, as a matter of fact, I think I saw it in there once. Calvin 1998 ^(t·c) 04:43, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Understanding Wikipedia

The majority of articles should be in simple english, and Wikipedia is too down-to-earth Uncyclopedia pwnz Wikipedia. Wikipedia' English is only understood by the people that write them. I swear it's a different language. So you click on the word for Wikitionary and you don't understand any of it. Why? Simple English is for normal people complicated english is for Wikipedia itself to read. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.30.226.74 (talk) 21:03, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You may be interested in the Simple English Wikipedia if you find the writing on the English Wikipedia too complex. -Optigan13 (talk) 21:43, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Notable Figures

How do I post the bio and picture of the president of my company who is a notable motivational speaker? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sweetcmg1 (talk • contribs) 22:38, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

See Wikipedia:Your first article. But since you work for him, you have a Wikipedia:Conflict of interest in writing about him which would make it very difficult to maintain the required neutral point of view; so you probably should not write about him yourself. Was he perhaps the subject of your deleted article, Wikipedia biographies? That article was deleted because you did not indicate now the subject was notable. —teb728 t c 00:11, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Also see Wikipedia's definition of notability. In order to be deemed notable enough for Wikipedia, you need to show that there exists extensive, independant coverage of your boss in reliable sources. Basically what we need to see is multiple articles or books written by people who have no connection to your boss, and which are published in reliable sources (major newspapers, magazines, trade journals, books published by major publishing houses or university publishing houses, accademic presses). If that sort of information is not out there, as cool and awesome as your boss is, he's not notable enough for a Wikipedia article. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 04:12, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Converting table types

Is there any way I can convert an older-style table to a kickass wikitable-sortable type without doing so manually? The article I want to revamp is the Ipecac Recordings discography. Thanks, Seegoon (talk) 22:51, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I converted it using this tool, removed all the nowikis it placed for reason unknown using a search and replace function, and then made the table sortable by adding class="sortable". Although the syntax is now much simpler, it converted it so that it looks almost identical to the prior HTML-based format. I'm not sure if that's what you wanted, but you can now play around with it. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 00:37, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

October 7

how do you find pages which are tagged non notable?

please let me know --Anshuk (talk) 00:44, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Articles with topics of unclear notability - Icewedge (talk) 01:35, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks--Anshuk (talk) 01:52, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Also, for articles tagged as speedy deletion candidates under CSD A7, see CAT:NNSD.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 02:32, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, A7 is for articles with no credible internal claims of importance. "John Doe is a cool guy and he's a student at Anywhere High School. He's the best" is A7 deletable. "Jane Doe is a city councillor of Anywhereville, and owner of the largest female owned business in Anywheresville (pop 10,000)." isn't necessarily A7 deletable, since it makes some claims to importance. Whether these claims qualify as satisfying minimal notability requirements is up for debate, but A7 is distinctly not about non-notable topics. From WP:CSD#A7 "to avoid speedy deletion an article does not have to prove that its subject is notable, just give a reasonable indication of why it might be notable." --Jayron32.talk.contribs 04:07, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am intimately familiar with A7's applicability and inapplicability, parameters, history and indeed have engaged in discussions seeking to clarify its use and language. I thought this might be a link useful for this user given his question and the common reference to it as the sole notability-related speedy deletion criterion under which articles are tagged.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 04:43, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

saving pages to work when offline

i want to know how to save pages on our computer and use them without connecting to internet59.93.91.62 (talk) 01:53, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In your browser, click File then "Save Page As" or equivalent. For more, try asking at the Reference Desk Calvin 1998 ^(t·c) 02:29, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to download many pages at once, see Wget and Web crawler. --Teratornis (talk) 06:36, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wikimedia pings

Hello, I'm browsing with my firewall log open as I type this, and I notice that I'm getting a lot of pings from an IP that traces to the Wikimedia Foundation. Here's a sample (my own IP edited out for privacy):

Oct  6 21:50:20 165 Firewall[38]: Stealth Mode connection attempt to TCP aaa.bbb.ccc.ddd:49367 from 208.80.152.134:443
Oct  6 21:50:32: --- last message repeated 1 time ---
Oct  6 21:50:32 165 Firewall[38]: Stealth Mode connection attempt to TCP aaa.bbb.ccc.ddd:49366 from 208.80.152.134:443
Oct  6 21:50:38 165 Firewall[38]: Stealth Mode connection attempt to TCP aaa.bbb.ccc.ddd:49367 from 208.80.152.134:443
Oct  6 21:50:56 165 Firewall[38]: Stealth Mode connection attempt to TCP aaa.bbb.ccc.ddd:49366 from 208.80.152.134:443
Oct  6 21:51:44 165 Firewall[38]: Stealth Mode connection attempt to TCP aaa.bbb.ccc.ddd:49366 from 208.80.152.134:443
Oct  6 21:52:04 165 Firewall[38]: Stealth Mode connection attempt to TCP aaa.bbb.ccc.ddd:49384 from 208.80.152.134:443
Oct  6 21:52:34: --- last message repeated 3 times ---

Is this normal? It happens even when I haven't recently clicked on any Wikipedia links.

My apologies if this is the wrong place to ask, and thanks. LovesMacs (talk) 03:03, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That's odd. I seem to recall reading that Wikimedia did many, many years ago try out some code that would scan editors' IPs to try to detect (and block) open proxies, but it was quickly disabled because people complained. Certainly I haven't heard of anything like that being run these days. Anyway, you might get a better response at the technical village pump, or possibly on the wikitech-l mailing list or the #wikimedia-tech IRC channel on freenode. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 03:30, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's still happening. Does it matter if my IP changes each time I connect? I'm not going to name my ISP publicly, but I noticed that it allocates me a different number every time I connect, sometimes quite far from my physical location. Thank you for answering. LovesMacs (talk) 03:43, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Googling for the log message turned up http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/X4U/2005-July/007705.html, which quotes http://forums.macnn.com/92/networking/259581/lilbit-confused-about-incomming-scan/ saying:

“

This is not an attack. It is return traffic from a web server for which the firewall connection table timeouts have been exceeded. It can be ignored. Latency or misconfiguration on the remote end is what I would blame for the delayed response from the server that got dropped by the firewall.

”

I believe that could well also be the case here. It seems to be happening fairly often: my Google search even turned up a report of someone getting these "Stealth Mode connection attempts" from Apple's own www.mac.com:80. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 03:54, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Of course, Google. Thank you very much for looking up this issue! LovesMacs (talk) 03:59, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Phishing site?

I was playing around and I was entering into my adress bar wikipedia.net wikipedia.com etc. Which both redirected to this website, but I entered wikipedia.tv in and it went to the site but my McAfee siteadvisor showed that it had not tested wikipedia.tv but it has wikipedia.org, so it must be a different site. When I click on a link it loads the other page but my address bar still says "wikipedia.tv"

Is this a scam/phishing site? Bonne Nuit Bijou (talk) 03:23, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

They seem to be wrapping http://www.wikipedia.org/ in a frameset. I didn't spot any outright malicious code at a glance, but it's certainly misleading at best. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 04:00, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Specifically, all I'm getting from them is:

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN"
   "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">
<html>

<head>
  <title>Wikipedia </title>

</head>
<frameset rows="100%,*" border="0">
  <frame src="http://www.wikipedia.org/" frameborder="0" />
  <frame frameborder="0" noresize />
</frameset>

<!-- pageok -->
<!-- 07 -->
<!-- 7.9-->
</html>

Where the number in  seems to vary in the range 01–07. Oh, and the HTTP headers say they're running "Microsoft-IIS/6.0" with ASP.NET 2.0.50727. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 04:11, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If that's all the returned HTML then it's just a Wikipedia clone or similar. It's definitely not the actual Wikipedia, though. Calvin 1998 ^(t·c) 04:49, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Template for top of article

Is there a template I can place at the top of an article saying:

"This article is about _____. For ______, see ______"

Or would I have to make one? Thanks :) —Cyclonenim (talk · contribs · email) 06:45, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Try {{about}} —teb728 t c 07:17, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Tipi article vandalised

It needs reverting back to the previous version, unless they were really cheesable and made out of human skin. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.171.114.12 (talk) 07:58, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the warning; I reverted it. —teb728 t c 08:06, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Why is a particular picture locally uploaded instead of on Commons?

I wonder why Image:Mercia family tree.jpg isn't on Commons? As far as I can see it is not a fair-use picture. I would like to use it on another wikipedia language version so I need to know what the problem is with this picture, if any. Åsa L (talk) 10:25, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Only because the user who uploaded it and assigned it a GFDL license did so here instead of there. More the the point, because it is a GFDL licensed image, you can upload it to the Commons or ask for its upload there if you don't feel like doing that task yourself. To simply request it, mark the page with {{Copy to Wikimedia Commons}}. This places the page into Category:Copy to Wikimedia Commons. There is no guarantee how long it will take for someone else to actually do it. If you want to attempt the upload yourself, see Wikipedia:Moving images to the Commons.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:28, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Åsa L (talk) 12:46, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What font or typeface is used for Wikipedia?

What font or typeface is used for Wikipedia websites? I have searched numerous Wikipedia websites (cascading style sheets [CSS], fonts, style manual, typefaces, etc.) but have not been able to find the answer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.240.147.2 (talk) 12:29, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It depends which skin you are using. My understanding is that when you're using Monobook, it tells your computer to use sans-serif, a category of font rather than a particular font itself. Your browser then chooses whichever sans-serif font happens to be its default. So you might see Arial on one browser but Optima on another.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:41, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Moving a reference desk question

How am I supposed to move a reference desk article that has been put in the wrong category?Leif edling (talk) 13:55, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What article is this? Do you just want to change the category? --—— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk - 14:16, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cut the source of the thread from the wrong desk and paste it into the new desk. Normally, one would also leave a note at the original desk with a link to the thread at the new desk. And a note at the new desk saying that the question was originally asked at another desk. Zain Ebrahim (talk) 14:20, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Help desk - Typing password at Wikipedia

Why sometimes insert symbol has disappeared? like typing password at Linux login???

as title. JustbeBPMF (talk) 14:07, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What time wikipedia's function has growth to strong. JustbeBPMF (talk) 14:06, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Somehow you created a subpage; I have moved the content here. I'm not sure what you are asking. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk - 14:15, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello

My article titles 'Eversley Storage Services' has been delted, and I can not find it in the deletion log. Please can you let me know where the content has gone and why it was removed?

Many thanks

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