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Errors in the summary of the featured article

Please do not remove this invisible timestamp. See WT:ERRORS and WP:SUBSCRIBE. - Dank (push to talk) 01:24, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Errors in "Did you know ..."

Current DYK

Capital Bicycle Club

• ... that residents reported the first cycling club in Washington, D.C. (uniform pictured), to the police over concerns that bicycles posed a danger to pedestrians?

The article does not say or claim that this was "the first cycling club in Washington", just that it was "early".

Also, the source doesn't seem to mention pedestrians specifically – just of the "dangerous potential for accidents". Perhaps a concern was the risk of collisions with horses and/or people and property in general?

Note that the hook wasn't checked in the nomination even though it included a first. It was just waved through as AGF.

Andrew🐉(talk) 06:27, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

I added the "first" claim to the article, citing the same source. Pinging Generalissima and BeanieFan11 to consider the other issues. Beanie, we strongly suggest additional scrutiny for "first" hooks. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 13:34, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

• Different point: the comma after the "(uniform pictured)" should instead come before. So, " ... Washington, D.C., (uniform pictured) to the police". JMCHutchinson (talk) 13:42, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Emmanuella Atora

• ... that Olympic taekwondo practitioner Emmanuella Atora described her career as "I hit people for a living"?

According to the source, what she actually said was "Je tape les gens pour vivre". This was not translated by the source and it's not clear what she meant by it as Taekwondo is not usually a professional sport while she appears to have a career as an aspiring professional model. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:27, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

• Also, the line was a meme already, having been used by MMA fighter Francis Ngannou a year earlier [1]. Black Kite (talk) 07:23, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

  Well spotted. Francis Ngannou is a successful professional fighter and so the boast works better for him. There's merchandise too... Andrew🐉(talk) 08:51, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Errors in "On this day"

Today's OTD

Albert Stanley is also today's FA. Should he be replaced? Mjroots (talk) 05:15, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

 Fixed I've swapped him for someone else. Schwede66 05:25, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Errors in the summary of the featured list

Friday's FL

(August 9, tomorrow)

Monday's FL

(August 12)

Errors in the summary of the featured picture

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General discussion

No 7/7?

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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I know this site is US Centric, and that most US Americans don't realise that there is a world outside of their borders, or that there are even people living in other countries who are not American, so that is why when 9/11 comes round the entire front page is dedicated to that event, so it saddens me that when 7/7 comes around, wikipedia does not feel the need to honor the day with a mention in the "On this day" section, or in any section it would seem.

What an insult to my country. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.20.1.216 (talk) 12:01, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Take it easy. I assure you there's probably no bias here - I don't know the process of selecting OTD entries here but it's unlikely 7/7 was nominated for it (if nominations even take place, I'm pretty sure it's randomly chosen) - the anniversary has been largely ignored by the UK media so it's hardly surprising it isn't in OTD. And more Brits died in 9/11 than they did in 7/7...and 9/11 had far more causalities and for more drastic consequences as we all know. I'm not saying 7/7 wasn't tragic and important - but try and put things more into context :P --Τασουλα (talk) 12:34, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

So you say 9/11 is more important than 7/7. Thank you for confirming the bias that exists on this website. Your use of an emoticon at the end of your reply further trivialised this most painful day for us. Makes me sick to my stomach. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.20.1.216 (talk) 12:39, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Oh I'm sorry, my emocation wasn't about that at all - I always do them and it wasn't intended as some sort of mockery. I didn't say 9/11 was more important, I was trying to put things into context, nothing more. The long-lasting effects of 9/11 are more felt than that of 7/7, and you cannot deny this, no one can, tragedies effect different people in different ways and I was not in anyway trying to trivialise your feelings on this day at all. --Τασουλα (talk) 12:44, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

There are ways you could have nominated it for the OTD process yourself. Why didn't you? doktorb _words^deeds 12:46, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

I'll second that. --Τασουλα (talk) 12:49, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Should one really have to "nominate" a day of slaughter to be mentioned on the anniversary? If so then this is a more stupid website than I first imagined. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.20.1.216 (talk) 13:15, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Then I suggest you find a successful alternative. I believe knol is doing well. If you come here full of bile expecting things to have been laid out nice and neatly for you, at least have the decency to realise that every other editor is as voluntarily involved here as you are, and they don't have to do fuckamaboo they're told to. You've been told how to request the event's addition to the daily section, and instead expended more effort pissing and complaining. GRAPPLE X 13:26, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

You've constructed your post in such a way that's near perfect for maximizing not obtaining constructive discussion of 7/7. The rancor, broad brush accusations, assumption of bias, outrage – it's all distracting noise that wraps your post in <angry crank></angry crank>, to be dismissed and ignored, or to focus the discussion on your attitude or to dispel your prejudices and not on the ostensible issue you're here about.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:15, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

As noted at Wikipedia:Selected anniversaries, "because of the limited amount of space, and due to the fact that any given day of the year can have a great many moderate to great historically significant events, relative article quality along with the mix of topics already listed are often deciding factors in what gets posted on the 'On this day' section on the Main Page. It is NOT solely based on what are 'the most important or significant' anniversaries on this day."

The 7 July 2005 London bombings were included in 2006, 2008, 2009 (pulled at 16:39 UTC, due to an article issue) 2010 (with an image) and 2011 (with a different image). —David Levy 13:30, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Here's an idea for you knobends putting me down, this September the 11th, don't make one mention of it. Nothing. Nada. Then see just how many people get angry. But you won't do that, because you are American, and Americans only know and care about America and Americans. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.20.1.216 (talk) 13:42, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

1. Please see Wikipedia:No personal attacks.

2. Τασουλα and Doktorbuk are British. Grapple X is Irish. —David Levy 14:06, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Hmmm OK, think what you want and insult us all you like. But I'd like to point out that: Me = Not American. Doktorb = Not American (We are both from the UK -.-') David Levy = No comment on his nationality, Fuhghettaboutit = Likes Charles Darwin and Monty Python and again no comment on nationality. (And yeah Grapple is Irish, missed that ^_^) And two admins as well! Edit: What ever happened to edit conflicts? Anyway, I'm Israeli too, maybe that makes me even less-bias haha. --Τασουλα (talk) 14:09, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

That some of you are British and do not think it is wrong that 7/7 was missed just makes me even more angry. You should be absolutely ashamed of yourselves, especially those who you claim to be Admins. What a disgraceful lack of respect you have. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.20.1.216 (talk) 14:16, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

If you have an actual point to make, please do so. If you're just here to throw insults around then please find something else to do with your time. Hut 8.5 14:20, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict) If you read our comments you would of realised no one has shown any disrespect. But think what you will, and I wont loose any sleep over it. ^_^ --Τασουλα (talk) 14:22, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Did you read the description of how the On this day section operates, including the explanation that we have a limited amount of space and cannot list every significant event every year? Do you understand that we included the 7 July 2005 London bombings on five out of seven anniversaries, with an accompanying image (making the item more prominent than any other) for the past two? —David Levy 15:11, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

I don't think this anon has made any effort to try and understand the situation (or, lack of) at all. /: maybe a wee archive could be in order now. --Τασουλα (talk) 15:19, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Yes, this discussion is quite the deceased parrot. No matter how much he's unwilling to come off it, the fact that almost everyone here is non-American (other than me) drives home by implication the wonkishness of the OP's premises. No, there won't be any internalizing of the points made. Move along, nothing to see here.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 15:51, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

I know this is closed, but to drive the point home, 9/11 was not included in OTD the last two years. And yes, people did raise a stink about it. —howcheng {chat} 04:38, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Is this the same troll that's been posting anti-american crankery here for the past few weeks? 66.183.104.162 (talk) 22:22, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Kampar River nom

Kinda bare looking. Maybe it could of been "That due to a Tidal bore, people can surf in the Kampar River?" ^__^ --Τασουλα (talk) 12:40, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Wait, scrap that thought - it's more interesting if people click on the article to see what causes this to be. Never-mind! --Τασουλα (talk) 14:23, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Kneejerk removal?

See also: Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard § Main page hook review

Moved from Wikipedia talk:Did you know

Since when has it been the case that reliably-cited negative facts about a living person are haraam for the main page? The article itself seems to derive notability from the removed claim, so to call it WP:UNDUE is simply ridiculous—finding any other hook from the article would be the undue thing. I highly doubt a main-page appearance of an article like Charles Manson or Roman Polanski would omit reference to their crimes, and they're notable for a range of other things in addition, while Yoshitaka Fujii is notable simply for the fraud yanked from T:DYK. Can we stop doing this, please? GRAPPLE X 02:21, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Agree with Grapple here, and I've already posted on the admin's talk page. Haven't reverted as I fear falling afoul of WHEEL. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:27, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Agree, this is over reaction. It's not a case of WP:FART at all.PumpkinSky talk 02:29, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

I agree as well. As stated above, Yoshitaka Fujii is notable primarily because of this controversy, so the claim that a DYK item about it constitutes undue weight is quite perplexing (and tantamount to a declaration that we mustn't mention Fujii on the main page at all). —David Levy 02:46, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

• Undone, per the consensus here and the fact that the admin has not replied on his talk page in an hour (seems to be offline). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:52, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, Crisco. As the user who created both the article and the hook, I was very annoyed by its removal from the main page. The last I looked, WP:BLP did not say "Wikipedia can only say nice things about living people." Ironically, I suspect that the fact that this guy managed to publish 172 fraudulent papers before he got caught is probably due in part to people's reluctance to believe bad things about other people. --Orlady (talk) 02:58, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

You're welcome. And yes, shocking indeed. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:59, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

The DYK was removed citing BLP and undue concerns and Crisco 1492 restored it after after barely 30 minutes and three comments (one by the editor who rubber stamped the hook's inclusion). For what it's worth, I also agree that adding such a contentious hook on the main page without a serious review is a major concern. This cursory review does not seem adequate for a main page spectacle. I'm concerned about the apparent false urgency in putting this DYK back on the main page without a thorough review. I will be raising the matter at WP:BLPN for additional input. Jezebel'sPonyo^{bons mots} 03:21, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Did you look at the diff? The admin cited UNDUE, although he implied BLP. Undue does not apply in this situation, as the subject is notable for exactly that thing. If we not allowed to report negative things, most biographies of criminals (an unrelated example) would not be allowed near the main page. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:28, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

I would have waited for DragonflySixtyseven's response and a bit more discussion (with the hook added to an upcoming queue if consensus dictated). That notwithstanding, I see absolutely no basis in policy for the removal. My best guess is that DragonflySixtyseven didn't realize the extent to which Fujii's notability stems from the controversy. —David Levy 03:42, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

That's a good idea; I was mainly worried about the 8 hour circulation problem, and had not considered just moving it to a prep or queue. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:47, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Having (properly-cited) articles about criminals or people who're accused of doing horrible things -- sure, I've even written some myself. But putting them in DYK and thus the main page like this, when they're still alive and subject to BLP protection... no. DS (talk) 11:47, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Why not? Modest Genius ^talk 14:28, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

And why would ITN be exempt? Compare with an ITN from March 2011: "Dominique Strauss-Kahn, head of the International Monetary Fund, is charged with "a criminal sexual act" in New York City." — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:36, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

How, in your view, does WP:BLP justify such a restriction, and what's the relevance of WP:UNDUE?

By this standard, we mustn't mention John Hinckley, Jr. on the main page (except, perhaps, to state that "he played football and basketball, learned to play the piano, and was elected class president twice"). I've informed Howcheng of this discussion so he can bring Wikipedia:Selected anniversaries/March 30 and the other relevant OTD sets into accordance with the policy that you've apparently enacted. —David Levy 19:22, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Crime is a staple of OTD, so to say that we shouldn't have blurbs about people who engage in criminal activity, especially when that crime is of historic importance, is silly. In a similar incident, User:Sandstein just removed a blurb from today's OTD set, citing BLP. Now I'm not going to wheel-war with him/her, but I don't think that removal is justified, either. —howcheng {chat} 19:55, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

I've also responded on my talk page, but I'm of the view that neither the article I removed (Michael Brown Okinawa assault incident) nor this Yoshitaka Fujii case are of any apparent lasting historical significance. They are contemporary news stories; and such topics would need to demonstrate (in their articles) why they are of an importance similar to the outbreak of wars, epochal scientific breakthroughs etc. Also, per WP:BLP, "Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a tabloid: it is not Wikipedia's job to be sensationalist"; this, in my view precludes highlighting negative aspects of BLPs on the main page just for the fun of it. We should run such "headlines" only for topics that are of truly great importance.  Sandstein  20:12, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

I'm of the view that neither the article I removed (Michael Brown Okinawa assault incident) nor this Yoshitaka Fujii case are of any apparent lasting historical significance.

As noted in the Michael Brown Okinawa assault incident article, "the crime sparked a public debate over the U.S. military presence in Japan, the privileges of extraterritoriality, as well as the fair trial practices of Japanese legal system and the Japanese police." How, in your view, is that not historically significant?

I would argue that Fujii's record-setting research misconduct is historically significant, but that's more relevant to the determination of whether our Yoshitaka Fujii article should exist; I don't see how it's directly relevant to BLP concerns stemming from the main page appearance. In the past week, the controversy has received coverage (of far greater prominence than a DYK hook) in major publications, so it isn't as though we injured Fujii's reputation by plucking him from obscurity or resurrecting a long-forgotten scandal.

They are contemporary news stories; and such topics would need to demonstrate (in their articles) why they are of an importance similar to the outbreak of wars, epochal scientific breakthroughs etc.

Firstly, on what policy or guideline do you base this assertion?

Secondly, DragonflySixtyseven hasn't even made such an allowance; he/she has declared that if "criminals or people who're accused of doing horrible things" are "still alive and subject to BLP protection", we mustn't highlight their articles on the main page.

Also, per WP:BLP, "Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a tabloid: it is not Wikipedia's job to be sensationalist"; this, in my view precludes highlighting negative aspects of BLPs on the main page just for the fun of it.

I agree with that statement and disagree with the implication that such a thing occurred in either instance discussed above. —David Levy 21:17, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

It's a matter of degree. Certainly the Brown case has some historical significance, at least for Japan, but it does not have the same degree of importance as (to take other examples from the same day) a Shuttle mission or the death of the North Korean ruler. Its relatively minor importance (in terms of world history) does not justify, at any rate, putting the same BLP name - in association with his crime - on our main page each and every year on the same day. We are an encyclopedia, not a pillory.  Sandstein  22:58, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Needless to say, you're entitled to your opinion.

Your earlier statement that "such topics would need to demonstrate (in their articles) why they are of an importance similar to the outbreak of wars, epochal scientific breakthroughs etc." came across (to me) as an interpretation of policy. Is it actually a criterion that you propose? —David Levy 23:33, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

←Before I comment I will note that DragonflySixtyseven asked that I comment here. I'll start by saying that I acknowledge that Yoshitaka Fujii is notable primarily because of this controversy, thus I will contend that the undue weight argument does not really hold any water. That said, I feel that the BLP argument does. While I certainly would not argue for the article to be deleted, I do not feel that it is appropriate that we further publicly humiliate Mr. Fujii by placing this hook on the main page. In all reality, Mr. Fujii did not commit a crime and was never arrested or officially charged. I just don't see this as good grounds for a DYK hook. Tiptoety ^talk 04:22, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

To clarify, are you merely expressing your personal opinion, or do you believe that the item violated the BLP policy? —David Levy 05:21, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

So will the verdict on Ratko Mladic be published on DYN/ITN?

'Politician X got a parking ticket' generating a 'so what?' reaction is not relevant: 'the Minister for Transport has collected 100 parking tickets' is.

'Category of topics which only justify a single DYN/ITN appearance.' — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.97.45.17 (talk) 09:51, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

2012 Russia floods

Please add link to article 2012 Russia floods in link flash flood. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.199.9.40 (talk) 15:34, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Try WP:ITN/C. --69.158.118.187 (talk) 21:45, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

IP, you can post here and there, but it is preferred to post it here as more activity. Not sure why you always write the same phrase, "Try [page]". Regards.--GoP_T^CN 07:55, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Preferred? No. More activity =/= appropriate place. --69.158.118.187 (talk) 11:47, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

To further clarify, ITN/C is the only place to post proposals for new ITN items. Posting here serves little purpose, if you're lucky someone will post there based on a comment here, but more likely even if you reach consensus here to post an item, nothing will happen. Nil Einne (talk) 17:14, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Actually, looking more carefully, the IP was asking for a change to an existing item not for a new item. In this case the best place to post is the errors section which is transcluded above. While posting here is okay, you'll often get a faster response in the error section (more activity doesnt guarantee a faster response as the more I important thing is how quickly someone notice who can and does take action). There's usually no point posting about an already posted item to ITNC unless it's to call for its removal or very occasionally if there was an ongoing discussion about the wording it may be best to continue it there. Nil Einne (talk) 17:24, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Coat of arms

File:Coat of arms of Kaunas (Lithuania).png should be replaced with File:Kaunas city CoA.svg --Openmouth (talk) 05:02, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

There are significant differences between the two. I don't know how accurate the PNG version is, but given the fact that the SVG is "based on" it, it seems unlikely to be more authentic. —David Levy 05:26, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

It's not a question of authenticity, but a preferred file format. --Openmouth (talk) 05:48, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, my wording was unclear. I mean that the SVG version might be less accurate (because it's "based on" the PNG version but differs significantly). This is why I'm reluctant to make the switch. —David Levy 06:10, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

http://www.kaunas.lt/index.php?1611752833 --Openmouth (talk) 07:41, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

The emblem appearing on the front page of that site (which I assume is official) closely resembles our PNG version. The SVG version differs substantially. —David Levy 08:06, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

It's also being used on the Lithuanian article about the town with seemingly no objections. --Openmouth (talk) 07:49, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

The indiscriminate replacement of PNG files with their SVG counterparts is common and rarely challenged (due to the assumption that SVG versions are superior and lack of obviousness when they aren't, in part because a direct comparison requires special effort). —David Levy 08:06, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Having once lived in Lithuania, my first question was: Whose coat of arms is that? I suggest it be identified in the text as that of Kaunas. Sca (talk) 12:49, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

The image title is "Coat of arms of Kaunas city municipality". We could state "Kaunas coat of arms pictured" instead of "example pictured", but that seems like overemphasis on a municipality whose emblem is merely intended to serve as an example. —David Levy 17:39, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

To me, it seems like an unidentified coat of arms, and a rather odd-looking one at that. Sca (talk) 21:22, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

The image is identified via its HTML title attribute. In the blurb's context, it's intended to serve as an "example" of the sixty emblems adopted by the Lithuanian municipalities, not to bring to mind one municipality in particular. —David Levy 21:42, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

I see. Sca (talk) 21:40, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

4,000,000th article

So the 4 million article mark is quickly approaching. How will the main page be recognizing this momentous round number? Rreagan007 (talk) 19:33, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Sadly, it's only a C class article, but I'd like to see History of Wikipedia mentioned somewhere. I've only looked at a small amount of it, but it is an interesting read. I'd assume something needs to be mentioned. Maybe a banner of some sort could appear, like when we are asking for donations, letting everybody know. It wouldn't require anything different to be done on the main page. Ryan Vesey Review me! 19:40, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Big numbers like this don't come around often. I think we should do something BIG that people will instantly notice like changing the main page color scheme to gold or something. Rreagan007 (talk) 20:05, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Maybe make a mention at Village pump Miscellaneous to see if anyone cares to weigh in? I think it would be good to insert a countdown while we are getting there. One exists at User:Jimbo Wales. Ryan Vesey Review me! 20:17, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

USAmerican

Why is the featured article yet again about a yank?