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Talk pages

Hi, Yakushima. I noticed your comments at Talk:Leonard Horowitz regarding Rentir's editing of the page. Please don't hesitate to inform me or another administrator if he continues editing without discussion. Some large articles don't even have talk pages, but if there's a disagreement, that's what talk pages are there for. Good work on the article, and best of luck with your continued efforts on Wikipedia. Cheers.--chaser (away) - talk 10:09, 7 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... and ongoing ...

Regarding this edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Conspiracy_theory&diff=prev&oldid=214231271 I'm not going to get into an edit war with you, but I think you made the article less accurate.

If you have read the two referenced articles (enough times) you will have noticed expert opinions regarding MK Ultra:

Although the CIA insists that MK-ULTRA-type experiments have been abandoned, 14-year CIA veteran Victor Marchetti has stated in various nterviews that the CIA routinely conducts disinformation campaigns and that CIA mind control research continued. In a 1977 interview, Marchetti specifically called the CIA claim that MK-ULTRA was abandoned a 'cover story.'.[6][7]

and regarding Mockingbird:

In February 1976, George H. W. Bush, the recently appointed Director of the CIA announced a new policy: "Effective immediately, the CIA will not enter into any paid or contract relationship with any full-time or part-time news correspondent accredited by any U.S. news service, newspaper, periodical, radio or television network or station." However, he added that the CIA would continue to "welcome" the voluntary, unpaid cooperation of journalists.[21]

Your current edit suggests that the operations ended the year in which they were created. Both articles indicate that the activities went on for years -- and there is no indication that they ever ended. I liked

ongoing, but
continuing
subsequent

or something else might be a better word. I'll leave it to you. We had the same thing with the protocols of the elders of zion. is there any indication that the Czar's people stopped it the year they started it? 76.95.108.78 (talk) 09:29, 23 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for pointing out where I made an admittedly hasty edit. In fact, I'd known before deleting "(and ongoing)" that MK-ULTRA had been multi-year. I just didn't like "ongoing" because it strongly implied "...even now, as you read this," which you must admit is highly unlikely in the case of MK-ULTRA, a program whose records were reportedly destroyed in 1973.

One solution is simply to delete the starting year for each proven conspiracy. Another is to provide a (likely) span of years where a conspiracy was multi-year, perhaps with a question mark following if there was any doubt about how long it continued. (E.g., Iran-Contra might be considered a "1985-6" conspiracy.) It's somewhat procrustean either way. I guess I'd prefer the latter, so long as this section is deemed a legitimate part of the article. Yakushima (talk) 10:20, 23 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I've amended the relevant descriptions (included a rewording the "ongoing" for the Dreyfus affair). The changes do some violence to the parallelism of the list, but I'm not bothered by that.

(The parallelism is rhetorically deceptive. If I may paraphrase Tolstoy? "All persistent conspiracy theories persist unproven in the same ways; all proven conspiracies get proven in their own ways." ;-)

This section of the article makes the good point that, not only have real conspiracies existed, but that almost everybody believes in some conspiracy theory. My own conspiracy theory beliefs are pretty garden variety, I think -- I happen believe the Bush administration lied to get popular support for the invasion of Iraq, which puts me in the company of a majority of U.S. citizens, last I checked. However, the section overstates the point, and really ought to be cleaned up and substantiated a little more, from authoritative sources. Maybe it should even be its own section: "'Garden-variety Conspiracy Theories"? I might circle back around to it and do this cleanup, but I'm midway through a couple other articles right now.

Personal attacks

Your recent edits seem to contravene our personal attacks policy. I let your attack on myself in the AFD pass since I am, in fact, well-qualified in this area but the point is irrelevant. Now I notice that you are extending your ad hominem attacks upon Mr Burgin to our article on Super-recursive algorithm. I have reverted this as improper. Please focus upon the topic rather than attacking those associated with it. Colonel Warden (talk) 08:22, 27 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't agree with Colonel Warden about whether the article should be deleted, but he is right about your last changes to the article. Perhaps you could check that you are not getting too emotionally involved in getting rid of this crap. Your arguments are actually quite convincing (although I am not sure that's enough to bring about the desired result), but when they are proffered with too much zeal they can easily become ineffective for psychological reasons. You are undermining your credibility; this could be what happened in the case of DGG, although it's not clear because he also has a general bias against deletion. --Hans Adler (talk) 09:09, 27 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have to look at this is in detail, I am just assuming that you are right about the facts because they are 100% consistent with Multipundit's behaviour. The point is that there is no valid reason to put details about Burgin's career into the article. It's not in the scope of Wikipedia to expose non-notable idiots as idiots. There is no valid reason to put these things into the article. You have been in the project much longer than I, but you are acting as if you had never heard of WP:BLP, or as if it applied only to biography pages. --Hans Adler (talk) 11:02, 27 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Michael

Hi Michael! Just a little message to say hello and let you know my handle. Vincent (talk) 09:02, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

By "computer" I meant HW and SW, it's all the same thing anyway, and f(c) would generate a unique answer since all computers are finite and deterministic. Unless you included random sources in your code like input from a geiger counter. Also the halting problem notwithstanding.

BTW, you wrote "smaller values of ∞". I always assumed Aleph null, the smallest value of ∞. But here's an idea: what if we had an uncountably parallel computer, each processor of which was also an uncountably parallel computer? You'd need a whole new way of thinking about solutions. You'd need... superDUPER-recursive algorithms! Vincent (talk) 14:40, 2 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Late reply re Aids conspiracy theories

You could be right. I would probably link early to conspiracy theory, but it's a point on which reasonable people can disagree. I have no special expertise with the AIDS theories, and there are several good editors following the page, so I'll leave it to you guys. In any case, don't let me or anyone else being an admin inhibit you. Happy editing, Tom Harrison ^Talk 19:33, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Leonard Horowitz

Agree with your assessment (Leonard Horowitz). That IP needs banning - it's clearly partisan editing. Give me a nudge if you need any support. "...even though he's clearly around the bend." - chuckle. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Monoape (talk • contribs) 18:33, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I wasn't aware of your intention to bold particular points that need citations, as bolding is not typically used for such a purpose. If you really want to clean it up, then by all means, revert my edits. I dont think I have the patience to clean it up though.--SilverOrion (talk) 08:18, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Richard Frank

Hi. A few days ago, on Talk:Debate over the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki#The Weekly Standard: A reputation of accuracy or inaccuracy?, you said

"Footnote 28 takes you to a Weekly Standard article based (apparently) entirely on a book whose reliability has been questioned (see Wikipedia article on its author.)"

I checked Richard B. Frank, but I don't see anything in its history of Talk page questioning the reliability of Downfall. Am I missing something, or are you confusing this book with something else?
—WWoods (talk) 17:55, 7 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

To "SPICE a circuit"

Hello. Yes, people actually say this. The people in the circuit simulation groups in which I've worked never did, but design engineers have said this in my hearing a number of times -- one of the (possibly dubious) advantages of doing circuit simulation development in an industrial setting is having lots of contact with design people. I'm not sure anyone would write 'SPICE the circuit' but they've certainly said it. So, the UCB article was accurate in this aspect. YoungGeezer (talk) 13:07, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Vision Thing

Hi, I've removed your comment at Talk:Paul Krugman as it doesn't belong there, it's not improving the Paul Krugman article. [1] In the first place you should talk to Vision Thing, and bring these matters to his attention. He may just not be aware of this being plagiarism. In any case you'd be expected to talk to him before taking it any further, perhaps at WP:RFC/U or WP:ANI. let me know if you have any questions or need any help. Rd232 ^talk 09:51, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fine, let's see what Slim says. I do suggest you moderate your tone though, as it risks distracting uninvolved people from your substantive points. Rd232 ^talk 10:37, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OK, it's not an unusual experience; and in response it's a good idea to disengage from the topic for a while. Thanks for your contributions, and do come back when you're ready! Rd232 ^talk 18:36, 25 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

You did a ton of good work on the Krugman page. Much of it wasn't discussed because it was uncontroversial, but that doesn't mean it was unnoticed or unappreciated. Gruntler (talk) 04:09, 26 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Second that. Sorry for not speaking up more on your behalf. I have been trying to duck more Wikidrama, but it seems impossible in this wikilife. LK (talk) 15:11, 1 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Leonard Horowitz

That section has nothing of substance, nothing serious, nothing verifiable. It cites an anonymous comment on a random blog. An anonymous quote anywhere on the internet that has no substance behind it is not a legitimate source in any discourse, especially not on Wikipedia. For example, see "Be very firm about the use of high quality references" in WP:Biographies of living persons. There is no evidence at all of any connection between Horowitz and the film I am Legend. In fact, those statements on Wikipedia only serve to create the false impression on the internet (due to web searches) that there is evidence of a connection when there is absolutely none, i.e., some third party could cite Wikipedia as the authority that says there might be a connection when there is no substantive evidence at all of any connection whatsover. The section fails WP:Verifiability due to the lack of absolutely any reliable sources. The sources cited fail under WP:Verifiability.

The section is rife with original research in violation of WP:No original research and your speculation that someone could have sued Horowitz would be a violation of WP:No original research if used to put that section back in the article. Furthermore, there is absolutely no evidence at all that anyone involved in the production of I am Legend is even aware of who Leonard Horowitz or any of Leonard Horowitz's activities. As an example of your speculation that is in violation of WP:No original research is your comment "Actually, there is excellent indirect evidence: Horowitz would probably have been sued if what he wrote on his website about the connection was a lie." Regardless that I believe that reasonable observers would find this claim of "indirect evidence" to be absurd on its face, it violates WP:No original research. Again, there is no evidence at all that anyone associated with the production of the film is aware of anything about Leonard Horowitz, and that includes there being no evidence of any consideration or non-consideration of lawsuits against Leonard Horowitz. Your comments are speculation and against Wikipedia policy.

The section cites a press release purportedly from Leonard Horowitz that is actually taken from Archive.org, so it could have even been from a web site that was taken down (one could easily speculate, in a manner inappropriate for a Wikipedia article, that Leonard Horowitz might have had to take his web site down due to false claims; I only offer that comment as an example of speculation that has no substantive support, I do not claim that it is valid). Regardless, even assuming the press release is truly from Leonard Horowitz, its use in the article is another example of a violation of WP:Verifiability. For example, see the comment in WP:Verifiability "it does not involve claims about third parties", i.e., the press release makes claims about a third party (Warner Brothers) for which there is no verification. Also see "the material is not unduly self-serving" (regardless, whether one wants to claim that the material is not unduly self-serving, it is explicitly self-published material that "involve[s] claims about third parties".

The last two paragraphs are entirely original research in violation of [WP:No original research]]. For example, there is speculation about Warner Brothers may have done, speculation about what Will Smith meant in various comments, and what inspired the film I am Legend.

--Rentir (talk) 01:14, 29 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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re: Plagiarism issue related to Eugene Turner

Hi. I don't know if there is any Wikipedia policy regarding when other sites use text from Wiki without attribution. Have you asked at the WP:Village pump? Kolindigo (talk) 02:49, 8 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Skater BLPs

Hope this helps you prioritize you noble BLP referencing project Wikipedia:WikiProject Figure Skating/Unreferenced BLPs by notability. I only did the first 25 or so skaters on the bot list. Ill add more when the list starts getting short. --MATThematical (talk) 18:19, 8 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bedbug

No problem. I am not really interested in bed bugs, since I usually write in medical articles. However since the article has received an evaluation from the google project, and yesterday I did not feel like searching for references I decided to be bold with a one-day-only task and eliminated the worst parts (which I have to say were simply horrible prose) of the bed bugs article while trying to preserve info that could be referenced by some other editors in the future. It is great to know I was of some help (Both you and me elimited more than 25.000 characters from the article... Quantity clearly does not equal quality). Best regards and good luck with the article.--Garrondo (talk) 08:17, 27 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Since that user is using sources, maybe the best idea would be instead of eliminating it creating a (very) small summary (no more than a paragraph) in main page and creating a sub-article with the elimination section. That way it could main article would be clean and anybody interested could improve that desinfectation sub-article.--Garrondo (talk) 16:03, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yeap, I noticed. Nevertheless I feel that many times is simply better to move to a secondary article than eliminate. That way wikipedia does not loose a contributor, there are less bad feelings, and still the main page remains fairly clean. However as I told you some time ago I am a passer by in this article, so do as you feel is more correct.--Garrondo (talk) 20:39, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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BLPs and non-English sources

Hey, thanks for your message. There's been some policy debate about this in the past, but it rarely comes to any useful consensus, either to explicitly forbid or explicitly allow foreign-language sources as evidence of notability. Some of the more extensive discussions on this topic include:

In the absence of a formal policy, everyone at AfD pretty much decides on a case-by-case basis; the main concerns are:

Verifying what the source says
Verifying that the source itself is reliable

Google Translate, as you mentioned, solves most of #1. So the main remaining problem is #2; the best thing anyone can do to solve that problem is to ensure that Wikipedia itself has well-sourced articles about foreign newspapers and publishers. So I figure I'd rather spend my time creating/fixing articles like Munhwa Ilbo or Inner Mongolia People's Publishing House rather than having the same discussion with the same dozen people on the policy talk pages which never seems to go anywhere.

Cheers, cab (talk) 00:46, 7 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia talk:Plagiarism

"Is it really too much to ask that you write sentences that parse?"

I was going to address that comment on the article talk page but on reflection decided it would be better to do so here. On reading what you had written I let the first one pass "Give me a sentence in English that actually parses, please.", assumed good faith and just replied to it, but when you do it for a second time and then reply to the sentence indicating that you have understood it, then in my opinion you have stepped over the line into a personal attack.

I could have replied in the same vain using similar debating tricks by asking you what is a "freshman?" and when you replied of answered "Please remember that not everyone who reads the page is an American, you are showing cultural bias". Now it would not have directly addressed your points about the complications in the paragraph, but it is an effective tactic at obfuscation, as I would be indirectly implying that the reason you did not understand the paragraph was because you are an illeducated American, not because of any objective reading of the complexities of the paragraph. Several exchanges later and most people reading the paragraph would have been distracted by the personal exchanges from your original point and that is not the way to improve the content of the guideline.

BTW I have not replied at the end of the points you have raised, because I think it will be better if others voice their opinions. I do however think that lack of adequate attribution is usually the problem that causes plagiarism on Wikipedia and that most other forms of plagiarism on Wikipeia is usually crude copyright violations which are better dealt with as copyright violations. -- PBS (talk) 03:10, 10 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Marx

A list-serve or bulletin board is not a reliable source. Slrubenstein | Talk 17:44, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I do not have a copy of the book and I do not know what it says. All I know is that it quotes a letter from Marx, a letter the meaning of which is open to interpretation. I do not know what other research the author of the book has done, or what other evidence he found to support the claim. And you didn't spell this out on the talk page. Have you read the book? Can you tell me what other evidence he found, and what his analysis of the letter is? Maybe I misinterpreted you because I did not get the sense that you knew what other evidence he had and what his analysis was. If I am wrong, I apologize. Slrubenstein | Talk 19:16, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

What do you mean, understand "by now?" Slrubenstein | Talk 09:40, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Complain all you want about my deleting a lousy citation. But the fact that it was from a chat room or somee list-serve, and the top portion was a private individual quoting a BBC report quoting Sue Laurence, when all of the sudden you are really referring to something below that, shows what a lousy citation it was. Better to provide a proper citation to a proper source. All I deed was deletee a lousy citation. If you have a proper citation to a proper source, I will not stop you from adding it. Why haven't you even tried to add it?

My starting point is something you wrote: "This is multiply-sourced, from Marx's own correspondence. You can see more of his letter at the link into the mailing list archive. Whether Marx actually engaged in trades or not is worthy of speculation (as it were), since it's reported to be thought by some (um, yeah? [who?]) that he might simply have been trying to impress somebody." Well, okay, I am waiting to hear about what secondary sources say about whether he was trying to impress someone or not, and whether there is evidence that he actually speculated. You raised these questions. All I am doing is taking what you wrote seriously, and asking that you follow WP policy. Slrubenstein | Talk 10:09, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Based on your lates comment on my talk pages, I wonder whether you believe my deletion had anything to do with the content o fthe edit. You have not actually asked me so maybe I am mistaken. But, just in case: If you believe this, or are wondering whether this is the case, I can tell you you are wrong.

You ust wrote on my talk page;

You're thinking I'm so serious about this that you have to pull out the policy guns on me -- without first asking me whether I was actually proposing hashing out -- in the article text itself -- the question of whether Marx actually engaged in such trades. Well, as it happens, that strikes me as a hideously stupid thing to do. I mean, look at the sources. The only known item of stock ownership they've turned up looks like 4 pounds of equity in a newspaper Marx helped start, or something like that. It seems that nobody has solidly settled this question of whether he actually spent any money buying stocks, much less made any money. He might have done it but destroyed evidence of earnings to dodge taxes. Who knows?

And that is precisely why I deleted it. You have just provided a full explanation for my action. Now, you have provided what amounts ot a long list of secondary sources that mention the letter. I do not posess some of these sources, and I do not have the time right now to re-read the ones I do. But if you wish to research this and are able to produce a "hashed out" contribution to the article in which it is plain why some scholars find this significant, and explains the significance, with proper sourcing, I would thank you for making a positive contribution. But so far you are the only one who has researched this and you still write, "who knows?" That tells me that putting this in the article right now is, to use your words, a hideously stupid thing to do. Slrubenstein | Talk 13:47, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

Thanks for that! Good point. I've incorporated it in the 20 article tutorials. Anthony (talk) 08:49, 1 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

is t== Bedbug extinguishers ==

Yep, that's right, supported only by ads with typos, but wadda expect of Swedes and Jerseys? Still, the only reason I wound up on the bedbug article was because BBC broadcast about them swarming NYC, and a guy freezing them out with CO2, who has more business than he can handle but can't find anyone with smarts enough to handle the equipment who'll work for what he's willing to pay, so I tried to go ogle up what's so hard about it and how does it differ from putting out a fire. Goggling further, I found a bedbug sufferers' blog with a discussion archived for anyone who wants to see it: freeze them dead. I won't bother further with it as I'm 12 time zones from NYC, nor do I have a CO2 extinguisher to play with. --Pawyilee (talk) 12:41, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nah, I'm gonna leave it alone as I simply don't know enough, much less have good SRs. I would like to point out that bug extinguishers do NOT employ dry ice, a solid at atmospheric pressure, but liquid CO2 kept under about 3 atm. until released. The picture in the ad resembles CO2 extinguishers parked in front of aircraft on ramps during my USAF career. I don't know if those could have put out an aircraft fire anymore than I know if they'd kill bedbugs. How do you do it at your inn? --Pawyilee (talk) 09:10, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ender's game

Having read your intro (with footnotes, for chrissakes!) I'd like to ask what you think of adding something to Ender's Game about how Generals read “Ender’s Game”. And for that matter, adding something to Fabius Maximus' legacy about the FM website. --Pawyilee (talk) 09:10, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your cogent addition to Ender's Game. What about tweaking Fabius Maximus' legacy? --Pawyilee (talk) 16:09, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

PowerPoint worse than bedbugs

You'll see what I mean if you go ogle up powerpoint afghan. The Manhattan Samurai started Is Google Making Us Stupid?, but doing so must have made him stupid as he and his alter egos got lifetime bans for sock-puppetry. Wonder what lies in store for anyone who attempts something similar with PowerPoint's cultural impact on the military? PowerPoint Hell - Military excesses has a bit to say, but not enough. I first heard about PowerPointPoison when it seeped into the (ongoing) 2010 Thai political crisis, but there's no SR there, either. --Pawyilee (talk) 16:12, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bedbugs

Here is the direct quote "International travel, immigration, changes in pest control practices, and insecticide resistance may have contributed to a recent resurgence of this blood-sucking insect in developed countries.1, 3 Bed bug infestations have been reported increasingly in homes, apartments, hotel rooms, hospitals, and dormitories in the United States since 1980 (Table 1).1, 21-22" from JAMA. The whole paper is free online from were I am.

Also wrt medical content we try not to refer to patients but prefer to refer to people. Will be working more on this over the next few weeks. Cheers Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 16:35, 17 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry this is just a cut and past from the JAMA article. I did not write the other stuff were I agree with removing it until after I had read the rest of your comments on the talk page. Hope that clarifies things. --Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 04:02, 18 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Issue 1, January 2011

Welcome to The Downlink · Project News · News from Orbit · Article News · Space Stations and the Push for Featured Topics · Salyut 2

Welcome to The Downlink

Welcome to the first full issue of The Downlink, a new monthly newsletter intended to inform members of WikiProject Spaceflight about the latest developments in the project and its articles. Below you will find information about happenings within the project, our recognised content, spaceflight in the news and events needing to be covered in articles. You will also find an editorial about the first concerted effort to develop featured topics related to spaceflight, and an article in need of your help and improvements.

Project News will provide details of discussions about and changes in the organisation and structure of the project, newly recognised content, and changes in membership. News from Orbit will summarise spaceflight news and upcoming events, and list suggestions for articles in need of updating as a result. Article News will give details of requests for assistance within articles, and discussions regarding content.

All members of WikiProject Spaceflight are invited to contribute any content that they would like to see in the newsletter, and we would particularly welcome the submission of editorials, or an article about an area of spaceflight which you are working on, or particularly interested in. Please see The Downlink page for more details.

Project News

A new working group has been formed. The space stations working group is expected to work towards creating Featured topics related to space stations. It currently has three members.

Discussion within the project is still dominated by the reorganisation proposals. A discussion over the formation and roles of working groups and task forces has led to some clarification regarding working groups, however the roles of the task forces remain vague, and several proposals to abolish them have surfaced. The Human Spaceflight to-do list has been merged into the main project to-do list, with the combined list currently located on the Tasks page of the Spaceflight portal.

A discussion regarding opening relations with the Aerospace biography task force of Wikipedia:WikiProject Aviation was held, but no conclusions were reached. The Article Alerts bot has resumed operation, and a problem with the information the bot had been delivering was discussed and resolved.

New assessment criteria for importance and quality have been implemented, and refinements continue to be made to the importance scale. The scope of the project was redefined to exclude astronomical objects explicitly. Although A-class criteria have been defined, a review process is yet to be discussed or implemented.

Colds7ream conducted an analysis of open tasks related to the reorganisation which four major issues remain unresolved: Discussion concerning the existence and roles of task forces within the project; recruitment of new editors; updating guidelines and whether the project or the task forces should be responsible for maintaining them; and the continued existence of the Human spaceflight portal six weeks after consensus was reached to abolish it.

Discussion about the structure of the project is ongoing, with several proposals currently on the table. One proposal calls for the abolition of task forces in favour of increased emphasis on working groups, whilst another calls for the task forces to become a list of topics. The idea of a formal collaboration system has been suggested, however opposition has been raised.

One of the main open tasks at the moment is replacing the older {{WikiProject Space}} and {{WikiProject Human spaceflight}} banners with the new {{WikiProject Spaceflight}} banner. Articles which need to be retagged are currently listed in Category:WikiProject Spaceflight articles using deprecated project tags. ChiZeroOne is doing a very good job replacing them, but as of the morning of 31 December, there are still 1,424 left to be converted. Additionally, the implementation of a new B-class checklist built into the template has necessitated the reassessment of former B-class articles, which the template has automatically classified as C-class.

News from Orbit

On 3 December, USA-212, the first X-37B, landed at Vandenberg Air Force Base after a successful mission. On 5 December Proton-M with a Blok DM-03 upper stage failed to place three Glonass-M satellites into orbit, the first of three failures in less than forty eight hours. The NanoSail-D2 spacecraft was supposed to have been ejected from FASTSAT in the early hours of the next morning, however it does not appear to have separated. Finally the Akatsuki spacecraft failed to enter orbit around Venus in the evening of 6 December. The Proton launch was the maiden flight of the Blok DM-03, which does not currently have an article.

On 8 December the Dragon C1 demonstration mission was conducted, with the SpaceX Dragon making a little under two orbits of the Earth on its maiden flight, before landing in the Pacific Ocean to complete a successful mission. The Falcon 9 rocket which launched the Dragon spacecraft also deployed eight CubeSats: SMDC-ONE 1, QbX-1, QbX-2, Perseus 000, Perseus 001, Perseus 002, Perseus 003 and Mayflower. The CubeSats do not currently have articles.

On 15 December, a Soyuz-FG launched Soyuz TMA-20 to the International Space Station, carrying three members of the Expedition 26 crew. It docked two days later. The Soyuz TMA-20 article is currently short, and could use improvements to bring it up to the same level as articles for US manned spaceflights. On 17 December, a Long March 3A launched Compass-IGSO2. There is currently no article for this satellite.

17 December saw Intelsat regain control of the Galaxy 15 satellite, which had been out of control since a malfunction in April. The Galaxy 15 article is in need of serious cleanup and a good copyedit. On 25 December a GSLV Mk.I failed to place GSAT-5P into orbit. A Proton-M with a Briz-M upper stage successfully launched KA-SAT on 26 December. Barring any suborbital launches at the end of the month which have not yet been announced (a NASA Black Brant was scheduled for December but does not appear to have flown), 2010 in spaceflight concluded on 29 December when an Ariane 5ECA launched the Hispasat-1E and Koreasat 6 spacecraft. These do not currently have articles.

Four launches are currently scheduled to occur in January 2011. A Delta IV Heavy is expected to launch NRO L-49 on 17 January. The satellite is expected to be an Improved Crystal electro-optical imaging spacecraft. Two launches are planned for 20 January, with Kounotori 2, the second H-II Transfer Vehicle, being launched by an H-IIB, and the Zenit-3F making its maiden flight to deploy Elektro-L No.1, the first Russian geostationary weather satellite to be launched since 1994. On 28 January Progress M-09M will be launched by a Soyuz-U. 28 January will also be the twenty-fifth anniversary of the loss of the Space Shuttle Challenger on mission STS-51-L.

Article News

It was requested that the article Walter Haeussermann be expanded. Haeussermann, a member of the von Braun rocket group, died on 8 December. Although the article has been updated following his death, a user requested that more information about the engineer be added. Another user requested that the articles Commercial Space Launch Act and Launch Services Purchase Act be created, to cover laws of the United States concerning spaceflight.

Articles related to methods of taking-off and landing were discussed. The term VTVL currently has an article whilst VTHL and HTHL do not. It was suggested that the existing article should be merged, and each term be covered by the article for the equivalent aviation term, however some distinction between use in the fields of aviation and spaceflight should remain.

Concern was raised that a large scale deletion request could cause many images to be lost from articles, help was requested to investigate whether any of the images were not subject to copyright, or if they were then whether they could be uploaded to the English Wikipedia under a claim of fair use.

Concerns were raised about a large amount of content in the newly-created article deorbit of Mir duplicating existing content in existing Good Article Progress M1-5. A proposal to merge deorbit of Mir into Progress M1-5 was made, however objections were raised, and discussion has since stalled without reaching a consensus. It has also been requested that the article Mir be copyedited.

The existence of separate categories for "spaceflight" and "space exploration" has been questioned, with a suggestion that some of the exploration categories, including Category:Space exploration iteslf, should be merged into their spaceflight counterparts.

Missile Range Instrumentation Ship is currently listed at requested moves, with a proposal to rename it tracking ship. The only open good article nomination is of the book Mission: Earth, Voyage to the Home Planet, which is currently awaiting review.

Editorial – Space Stations and the Push for Featured Topics

There has recently been much talk about trying to increase the activity of the project. To this end, a major reorganisation effort has been undertaken, which has seen the space WikiProjects separated into the Astronomy, Solar System and Spaceflight groups, with WikiProject Space being abolished. We have also seen the child projects of WikiProject Spaceflight being abolished, with Timeline of Spaceflight becoming a working group, and the Unmanned and Human Spaceflight projects becoming task forces for now, with some suggestions that they should be abolished outright. The problem with the previous structure was that there were too many different groups of editors, and nobody was sure which projects were supposed to be doing what. Now there is only one project, this is somewhat clearer, but spaceflight is still a huge topic.

Another way to improve the activity of the project is to attract more editors. Spaceflight is a topic which many people have at least a very casual interest in, and therefore it is strange that there are only about four or five people regularly participating in discussions on the project talk page. Evidently action is needed to raise the profile of the project.

One way in which the project's profile can be raised is to have a major success associated with it. The creation of a featured topic could be one such success, and would also be hugely beneficial to articles in the area that it relates to. Space Stations are one of the most high-profile and notable areas of spaceflight, and are therefore a logical choice to spearhead such an initiative.

To this end, in late December a working group was established to concentrate and coordinate efforts to establish featured topics related to space stations. An initial proposal calls for topics on Skylab, Salyut, Mir and the International Space Station, as well as one on space stations in general. There is currently an effort to get Mir promoted to Good Article status; the article currently requires a copyedit, after which it will be sent for peer review and then to GAN.

This is by no means a short-term project. There are many articles, particularly for the larger space stations such as the ISS and Mir, which are currently nowhere near becoming recognised content. Skylab is the smallest of the proposed featured topics, but it still requires that three C-class articles, two Start-class articles and a redirect all reach at least Good Article status, with at least three becoming Featured Articles. The ISS topic is so large that it may have to be subdivided.

I don't expect that we will have any featured topics by the end of the year, but I believe that a Good Topic, which requires all articles reach at least GA status, but does not require any featured articles, may be possible. I also believe that several articles on the subject can easily be improved to Good Article status, and some articles may be at featured level by the end of the year. In the long term, having featured topics will benefit the project and its content.

Selected Article – Salyut 2

Salyut 2 was an early space station, launched in 1973 as part of the Salyut and Almaz programmes. It malfunctioned two days after launch, and consequently was never visited by a manned Soyuz mission.

The Salyut 2 article describes the station:

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Salyut 2 (OPS-1)(Russian: Салют-2; English: Salute 2) was launched April 4, 1973. It was not really a part of the same program as the other Salyut space stations, instead being the highly classified prototype military space station Almaz. It was given the designation Salyut 2 to conceal its true nature. Despite its successful launch, within two days the as-yet-unmanned Salyut 2 began losing pressure and its flight control failed; the cause of the failure was likely due to shrapnel piercing the station when the discarded Proton rocket upper stage that had placed it in orbit later exploded nearby. On April 11, 1973, 11 days after launch, an unexplainable accident caused the two large solar panels to be torn loose from the space station cutting off all power to the space station. Salyut 2 re-entered on May 28, 1973.

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The article is currently assessed as start class, and is in need of attention. It consists of the above paragraph, along with a list of specifications and an infobox. The article needs to be rewritten in a more encyclopaedic style, and with more information about the space station. It has not yet been determined whether Salyut 2 would have to be included in a featured topic about the Salyut programme, or whether since it was never manned it is less integral to the topic, however if its inclusion were necessary then in its current form it would be a major impediment to this. Downlink readers are encouraged to improve this article, with a view to getting it to B-class and possibly a viable Good Article candidate by the end of the month.

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The Downlink: Issue 2

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Issue 2, February 2011

Project News · News from Orbit · Article News · The Charts · Yuri Gagarin

Project News

A report on popular pages from December 2010 revealed surprising trends in readers' interests. Boeing X-37 was the most popular article within the project's scope, with SpaceX Dragon in second with Global Positioning System in third place. The top seven articles were all assessed as C-class, with the remainder of the top ten being Good Articles. It was noted with some concern that moon landing conspiracy theories was more popular than moon landing.

A discussion regarding whether missiles warranted inclusion within the project scope was conducted, and resulted in the continued inclusion of missiles.

The last remaining articles tagged with the banner of the former Human Spaceflight WikiProject were re-tagged with the WikiProject Spaceflight banner. The last banner was removed on 8 January, and the template has since been deleted. The project is thankful to ChiZeroOne for his work in this field.

Concerns were raised that the new article reporting system was not working correctly, however it was noted that there is sometimes a delay before articles appear on the list.

Discussion regarding the existence of the separate spaceflight and space exploration category structures led to a mass CfD being filed on 10 January to abolish the space exploration categories, merging them into their counterparts in the spaceflight category structure. This was successful, and the exploration categories have been removed. Several other categorisation issues remain unresolved.

A proposal was made to standardise some of the infoboxes used by the project, the future of Template:Infobox spacecraft (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) was discussed, and design work began on a replacement. Template:Rocket specifications-all (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) was nominated for deletion and subsequently kept due to extant substitutions, however it was noted that the template had been deprecated by WikiProject Rocketry. Concerns were also raised that the existing infoboxes were not well-equipped to handle spacecraft which operated in more than one orbit, or whose orbits changed over the course of their missions (which in practise is most of them).

Five members of the project gave interviews for the Wikipedia Signpost, and a report on the project, authored by SMasters (talk · contribs), is expected to be published in the 7 February edition of the Signpost. It is hoped that this will raise interest in and awareness of the project.

News from orbit

Four orbital launches were conducted in January, beginning on 20 January with the launch of Elektro-L No.1 on the first Zenit-3F rocket. This was followed later the same day by the launch of a Delta IV Heavy with the USA-224 reconnaissance satellite. The articles for USA-224 and the Zenit-3F rocket could use some expansion, whilst the Elektro-L No.1 satellite needs its own article.

On 22 January, an H-IIB launched the second H-II Transfer Vehicle, Kounotori 2, to resupply the International Space Station. It arrived at the station on 27 January. Less than a day after its arrival, another cargo mission was launched to the station; Progress M-09M departed Baikonur early in the morning of 28 January, docking on 30 January. In addition to payloads to resupply the station, the Progress spacecraft is carrying a small subsatellite, Kedr, which will be deployed in February. Kedr does not currently have an article. Progress M-08M departed on 24 January to make the Pirs module available for Progress M-09M, and has since reentered the atmosphere. Its article needs to be updated to reflect the successful completion of its mission.

The NanoSail-D2 satellite, which failed to deploy from FASTSAT in December, unexpectedly separated from its parent craft and began operations on 18 January, with its solar sail deploying on 21 January.

Nine orbital launches are scheduled to occur in February, beginning with the launch of the first Geo-IK-2 satellite; Geo-IK-2 No.11, atop a Rokot/Briz-KM, on the first day of the month. Articles need to be written for the Geo-IK-2 series of satellites, as well as for Geo-IK-2 No.11 itself, and the Briz-KM upper stage that will be used to insert it into orbit.

A Minotaur I rocket will launch NRO L-66, a classified payload for the US National Reconnaissance Office, on 5 February. The payload has not yet been identified, however once more details are known, it will need an article. Iran is expected to launch the Rasad 1 and Fajr 1 satellites in February, with 14 February the reported launch date. The satellites will fly aboard a single rocket; either the first Simorgh or the third Safir. Once this launch occurs, the satellites will need articles, and the article on their carrier rocket will require updating.

The second Automated Transfer Vehicle, Johannes Kepler, is scheduled to launch on 15 February to resupply the ISS. Docking is expected to occur on 23 February. 23 February will also see the much-delayed launch of Glory atop a Taurus-XL 3110 rocket. This will be the first Taurus launch since the launch failure in early 2009 which resulted in the loss of the Orbiting Carbon Observatory. In addition to Glory, three CubeSats will be deployed; KySat-1, Hermes and Explorer-1 [PRIME]. KySat and Hermes require articles, whilst the article on Explorer-1 [PRIME] needs to be updated.

On 24 February, a Soyuz-2.1b/Fregat rocket will launch the first Glonass-K1 satellite; Glonass-K1 No.11. Articles are needed for the series of spacecraft, as well as for the specific satellite being launched. It is likely that a Kosmos designation will be given to the payload when it reaches orbit. In the evening of 24 February, Space Shuttle Discovery will begin its final mission, STS-133, carrying the Permanent Multipurpose Module, a conversion of the Leonardo MPLM, to the ISS. Other payloads include an ExPRESS Logistics Carrier, and the Robonaut2 experimental robot. The first manned mission of 2011, Discovery's six-man crew will transfer equipment to the station, and two EVAs will be performed. The launch has already been scrubbed five times, before Discovery was rolled back to the Vehicle Assembly Building to inspect and repair cracks on its External Tank.

At some point in February, a Long March 3B rocket is expected to launch two navigation satellites; Compass-M2 and Compass-M3, as part of the Compass navigation system. The date of this launch is currently unknown. Both satellites will require articles once more information is available. A PSLV launch, carrying the Resourcesat-2, X-Sat and YouthSat spacecraft, is expected to launch from the Satish Dhawan Space Centre towards the end of the month, probably between 20 and 23 February.

Stop press: The Rokot launch was conducted at 14:00 UTC on 1 February, and at the time of writing it appears to have ended in failure, due to a suspected upper stage malfunction. The spacecraft is in orbit, it is not clear at the time of writing whether it will be salvageable.

Article news

Reaction Engines Skylon is currently undergoing peer review, its discussion page can be found at Wikipedia:Peer review/Reaction Engines Skylon/archive1. A user requested feedback on major changes which had been made to the article, however at the time of writing no responses have been offered.

Following up on the issues covered in the last issue, the requested move of Missile Range Instrumentation Ship to Tracking ship was successful, with the article being renamed. The discussion concerning types of launch and landing resulted in a proposal to merge VTVL into VTOL, however this has been met with some opposition. Several other options have been suggested on Talk:VTVL. The large scale deletion of mis-tagged Soviet images on Commons went ahead, with most of the useful ones having already been backed-up locally under fair use criteria.

Discussion was held regarding the naming of spaceflight-related articles. Concerns were raised regarding inconsistency in article titles and disambiguators. A project guideline was adopted to standardise titles, with the parenthesised disambiguators "(satellite)" and "(spacecraft)" being adopted as standards for spacecraft, and the exclusion of manufacturers' names from article titles was recommended. Issues regarding Japanese spacecraft with two names, the correct names for early Apollo missions, and dealing with acronyms and abbreviated names remain unresolved.

A large number of articles were moved to conform to the standard disambiguation pattern. In addition, several Requested Moves were debated. A proposal to move SpaceX Dragon to Dragon (spacecraft), which began prior to the adoption of the standardised disambiguators, was successful. Atmospheric reentry was subject to two requested moves, firstly one which would have seen it renamed spacecraft atmospheric reentry, which was unsuccessful, however a second proposal shortly afterwards saw it moved to atmospheric entry. A proposal currently under discussion could see Lunar rover (Apollo) renamed Lunar Roving Vehicle

Questions surrounding the transliteration of Russian names resurfaced, with a proposal to rename Vladimir Chelomey to Vladimir Chelomei being closed with no consensus, and a proposal to rename Yury Usachov to Yuri Usachev ongoing.

Several long-standing merger proposals were closed. A proposal to merge Venera 15 and Venera 16 into Venera 15 and 16 was closed as no consensus, with the combined page being moved to Venera 4V-2 to reduce the overlap in the articles' scopes. Returnable satellite was merged into Fanhui Shi Weixing.

Experimental Assembly of Structures in EVA and Assembly Concept for Construction of Erectable Space Structures was nominated for Good Article reassessment due to concerns over the article's quality. Doubts were also expressed over the thoroughness of the original review conducted upon its nomination for GA status. It was also suggested that the article's title may not be the most common name for the experiment, and that it might be necessary to move the page. Concerns were also raised regarding whether Space Interferometry Mission was up-to-date, however these are being addressed. Mission: Earth, Voyage to the Home Planet looks likely to be promoted to GA status.

Help was requested for adding citations to List of Mir spacewalks. A request was made that STS-88 be reviewed against the B class criteria, and suggestions for improvements made. Another user requested improvements to the article Yuri Gagarin, with a view to having the article promoted to featured status in time for the fiftieth anniversary of his Vostok 1 mission. As a result of this request, Yuri Gagarin is this month's selected article.

Questions were raised as to whether an article or category should be created to cover derelict satellites. The categorisation of spacecraft by the type of rocket used to place them into orbit was also suggested. In another categorisation issue, it was questioned whether Space law should fall under space or spaceflight.

Stop press: Mission: Earth, Voyage to the Home Planet has now been promoted to GA status.

The Charts

There is no editorial this month as no content was submitted for one. Instead, we present the "top ten" most popular articles within the project, based on the number of page views in January. Space Shuttle Challenger disaster was the most popular article of the last month, up fourteen places from 15^th in December. Space Shuttle Challenger was the highest climber in the top 40, up 42 places from 50^th. December's most popular article. Boeing X-37, dropped 57 places to 58^th. On a happier note further down the chart, moon landing is now ahead of moon landing conspiracy theories.

№	Article	Movement
1	Space Shuttle Challenger disaster	↑14 (15)
2	Richard Branson	↑5 (7)
3	Neil Armstrong	↑2 (5)
4	Space Shuttle Columbia disaster	↑16 (20)
5	Global Positioning System	↓2 (3)
6	Apollo 11	↑2 (8)
7	Satellite	↑4 (11)
8	Space Shuttle Challenger	↑42 (50)
9	Apollo 13	↓3 (6)
10	NASA	↓1 (9)

For the full list of the top 1,500 popular pages within the project, see Wikipedia:WikiProject Spaceflight/Popular pages (or the archived record for January).

Selected Article: Yuri Gagarin

Yuri Gagarin was the first man to fly in space, aboard Vostok 1 in April 1961. He was subsequently awarded the title Hero of the Soviet Union, and was training for a second flight at the time of his death in 1968.

His article describes him and his spaceflight experience:

“

Yuri Alekseyevich Gagarin (Russian: Ю́рий Алексе́евич Гага́рин, Russian pronunciation: [ˈjurʲɪj ɐlʲɪˈksʲeɪvʲɪtɕ ɡɐˈɡarʲɪn]; 9 March 1934 – 27 March 1968), Hero of the Soviet Union, was a Soviet cosmonaut who on 12 April 1961 became the first human to journey into outer space.

On 12 April 1961, Gagarin became the first man to travel into space, launching to orbit aboard the Vostok 3KA-3 (Vostok 1). His call sign in this flight was Kedr (Cedar; Russian: Кедр). During his flight, Gagarin famously whistled the tune "The Motherland Hears, The Motherland Knows" (Russian: "Родина слышит, Родина знает"). The first two lines of the song are: "The Motherland hears, the Motherland knows/Where her son flies in the sky". This patriotic song was written by Dmitri Shostakovich in 1951 (opus 86), with words by Yevgeniy Dolmatovsky.

”

The article is currently assessed as C class, and had been assessed as B class prior to the criteria being redefined. Although a full reassessment has not yet been made, it seems close to the B class criteria, however details on his spaceflight experiences are somewhat lacking. It has been requested that the article be developed to Featured status by April, in time for the fiftieth anniversary of his mission.

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Hi! I noticed that you proposed a merge for this article, and the consensus agreed with you. However, it seems that no action has yet been taken. I'm unsure of how to go about merging this (although I'm sure a fair amount of the trivial info can be taken out), and I was wondering if you could help out so that the original page can be removed. Maybe this might be a good place to add the info? Thanks!--Yaksar (let's chat) 20:19, 9 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Another request

Hi again! I noticed the in depth research you did on a term's history at this discussion, and was hoping you could potentially do the same in researching the background of this one, since the scenarios seem to be very similar. I was the one who [it for deletion], but I'd certainly be willing to change my mind if a way was found to make the article acceptable. Thanks!--Yaksar (let's chat) 05:42, 10 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The Downlink: Issue 3

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Issue 3, March 2011

Project News
News from Orbit
Article News
Direction of the Project
The Charts
Europa

Project News

There have been very few discussions relating to the administration of the project in the last month, as things start to settle down after the merger.

An invitation template has been created in an effort to attract new users to the project. Discussion was also held regarding the creation of a list of common templates, however no conclusions were reached. A proposal was made to implement an A-class assessment process, however editors are undecided about whether it would be best to copy the system used by another project such as WP:MILHIST, or to develop one specifically for the requirements of this project.

User:ChiZeroOne has set up a collaboration page in his userspace, initially focussing on articles related to Skylab. Collaboration pages were at one point proposed as part of the structure of the Spaceflight project itself, however no consensus was achieved on the issue. If this collaboration is successful, it could open the door to a reevaluation of that situation.

News from orbit

Five orbital launches were conducted in February, out of nine planned. The first, that of the Geo-IK-2 No.11 satellite atop a Rokot/Briz-KM ended in failure after the upper stage malfunctioned. The Rokot has since been grounded pending a full investigation; the satellite is in orbit, but has been determined to be unusable for its intended mission. A replacement is expected to launch within the year. A general article on Geo-IK-2 satellites is needed, to supplement those on the individual satellites.

A Minotaur I rocket launched USA-225, or NROL-66, on 6 February following a one-day delay. The second Automated Transfer Vehicle, Johannes Kepler, was successfully launched on 16 February to resupply the ISS. Docking occurred successfully on 24 February, several hours before Space Shuttle Discovery launched on its final flight, STS-133. Discovery docked with the ISS on 26 February, delivering the Leonardo module and an ExPRESS Logistics Carrier to the station. Following several delays, a Soyuz-2.1b/Fregat rocket launched the first Glonass-K1 satellite; Glonass-K1 No.11, on 26 February. It is currently unclear as to whether the satellite has received a Kosmos designation or not.

Seven launches are expected to occur in March. On 4 March, the Glory satellite will launch atop a Taurus-XL 3110 rocket. Three CubeSats will be also be deployed by the Taurus; KySat-1, Hermes and Explorer-1 [Prime]. KySat and Hermes require articles, whilst the article on Explorer-1 [PRIME] needs to be updated. This launch was originally scheduled for February, but following a scrubbed launch attempt, it was delayed.

4 March will also see the launch of the first flight of the second X-37B, atop an Atlas V 501. An article is needed for that flight, which will probably receive a USA designation once it reaches orbit. On 8 March, Discovery is expected to land, bringing to an end the STS-133 mission, and retiring from service 27 years after its maiden flight. On 11 March, a Delta IV Medium+(4,2) will launch the NROL-27 payload. Whilst the identity of this payload is classified, it is widely believed to be a Satellite Data System communications satellite, bound for either a molniya or geostationary orbit. An article for this payload is required. 16 March will see the return to Earth of Soyuz TMA-01M, carrying three members of the ISS Expedition 26 crew.

A Polar Satellite Launch Vehicle is expected to deploy the Resourcesat-2, X-Sat and YouthSat spacecraft during a launch in March. The flight has been delayed several times, and was expected to have launched last month, however it is currently scheduled to occur no earlier than 20 March. On 29 March, an Ariane 5ECA will launch the Yahsat 1A and New Dawn communications satellites. Both currently require articles. On 30 March, a Soyuz-FG will launch the manned Soyuz TMA-21 mission to the International Space Station carrying three Expedition 27 crewmembers.

On 31 March, a Proton-M/Briz-M launch will carry the SES-3 and Kazsat-2 spacecraft into orbit, in the first dual-launch of commercial communications satellites on a Proton. Several other launches may occur in March, however their status is unclear. Last month, a Long March 3B rocket was expected to launch two navigation satellites; Compass-M2 and Compass-M3, however this launch did not take place. It is unclear if it has been delayed to March, or further. The launch of the Tianlian 2 communications satellite on a Long March 3C may also be conducted in March, or possibly April. Both the Compass and Tianlian launches would occur from the same launch pad, which requires a turnaround of almost a month between launches, so it is unlikely that both will happen in March. A Safir launch, which had been expected in February, now appears to have been delayed to April, but given the secrecy of the Iranian space programme, this is unclear.

Article news

Discussion regarding the merger of articles on launch and landing modes seems to have stagnated, with no consensus being reached on any existing proposal. A discussion regarding changes in the sizes of Soviet and American rockets during the 1950s and early 1960s was conducted, with claims that rockets became smaller in that period being dismissed, however it was noted that smaller rockets were developed with equivalent capacity to older ones were developed, as well as much larger ones with increased capacities.

Category:Derelict satellites orbiting Earth was created as a result of discussion surrounding the categorisation of derelict satellites. Concerns have also been raised that satellites are being listed as no longer being in orbit whilst still in orbit and derelict, and a discussion was held on how their status could be verified. An effort to categorise spacecraft by the type of rocket used to launch them is underway, however the categorisation of satellites by country of launch was rejected.

It was reported that a sidebar has been created for articles related to the core concepts of spaceflight. Editors noted that it should only be used for core concepts, and not where it would conflict with an infobox. An anonymous user requested the creation of an article on moon trees. It was pointed out that the subject already had an article, and a redirect was created at the title proposed by the anonymous user.

Concerns were raised regarding the quality of the article Japan's space development. Editors noted that the article appeared to be a poorly-translated copy of an article from the Japanese Wikipedia, although there have been some signs of improvement. Discussion regarding moving the article to Japanese space program is ongoing, however a move request has not yet been filed.

A particular concern was raised regarding false claims in the article Van Allen radiation belt. In one case a scientist to whom one of the claims had been attributed was contacted, and clarified that he had made a remark to that effect as a joke in the 1960s, but was not entirely sure how or why it had been included in the article. Other concerns were raised before the discussion moved to WikiProject Astronomy.

A question was raised regarding the copyright status of images credited to both NASA and ESA, particularly with regard to images of the launch of the Johannes Kepler ATV. The discussion reached no general conclusions, however it was found that the specific images that were suggested for inclusion in the article could be used, since they were explicitly declared to be in the public domain.

A template, Template:Spaceflight landmarks (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs), was created to cover landmarks in the United States that are related to spaceflight. Several sources of public-domain NASA images were also discussed, and it was noted that almost all NASA images are public domain, however there are some exceptions.

It has been proposed that Leonardo MPLM be merged with Permanent Multipurpose Module since the two cover separate uses of the same spacecraft. A review of the article STS-88 has also been requested.

Three new Good Articles have been listed: Mission: Earth, Voyage to the Home Planet, Bold Orion and SA-500D. Orion (spacecraft) was delisted after concerns that it contained out-of-date content. SA-500D is currently undergoing good article reassessment, using the community reassessment method, after the review of its good article nomination was criticised for being lenient and not sufficiently thorough. Mir, Mark E. Kelly and Reaction Engines Skylon have been nominated for Good Article status and are awaiting review, whilst List of Mir spacewalks is undergoing a peer review with a view to it becoming a featured list.

Editorial: Direction of the Project

Well folks, its now been more than three months since the discussion that reformed the space-related WikiProjects, and in that time we've had a number of achievements we can be rightly proud of; we've gathered members up to a total of 43, improved awareness of the project via an interview in the Signpost, and refreshed the spaceflight portal into an attractive, up-to-date and useful page. Meanwhile, User:ChiZeroOne has made a sterling effort in clearing up talk page templates belonging to prior projects, we've managed to sort out various policies, started work on rearranging our templates, and User:GW Simulations has begun this excellent monthly newsletter for us. However, there are a few areas of the project that seem to be passing by the wayside, specifically the areas dedicated to fostering collaboration on articles and article sets between the project members, so here I present a call for more collaboration on the project.

Presumably, the lack of collaboration is due to folks not being aware of what's going on, so here's a quick rundown of some of the ways you get involved in the group effort. Firstly, and most importantly, it'd be fantastic if more members got involved in the discussions ongoing at the project's main talk page, found at WT:SPACEFLIGHT. There are several discussions ongoing there, such as the relaunch of the spacecraft template, requests for assistance with various assessment and copyright queries, and conversations regarding category organisations, which affect many more articles, and thus editors, than are currently represented in the signatures so far.

Secondly, it was established earlier on in the project's formation that a great way to attract more editors would be to develop some good or featured topics. There are a couple of efforts ongoing to try to see this idea to fruition, such as the Space stations working group and ChiZeroOne's own collaboration page, currently focussed on Skylab-related articles. These pages, however, have been notably lacking in activity lately, which is a shame, as their aims, given enough editor input, would really see the project furthering itself. Similarly, there are a number of requests for assessment for articles to be promoted to GA class, among other things, on the Open tasks page, which lists all of the activities needing input from members. If everyone could add this page to their watchlists and swing by it regularly, we could power through the good topics in extremely short order! Other things that could do with being added to people's watchlists include Portal:Spaceflight/Next launch‎, the many templates at Template:Launching/Wrappers and the task list at Portal:Spaceflight/Tasks.

Finally, I'd like to try and get people involved in finally settling the organisational problem we have with reference to the task forces and working groups. Whilst the Timeline of spaceflight working group is a continuation of the old Timeline of spaceflight WikiProject and thus is ticking over nicely and the space stations working group has been mentioned previously in this editorial, the task forces (Human spaceflight and Unmanned spaceflight) in particular are currently dead in the water. I'm unsure as to whether or not this is because people are unaware of their existence, they clash too much with one another and the rest of the project or because people don't see a need for them, but if interested parties could make themselves known and others voice suggestions for getting rid of them, we can decide either if they're worth keeping and get them running again, or do away with a layer of bureaucracy and close them down. Any thoughts on the matter would be much appreciated.

In summary, then, we've got a great project going here, with a nice set of articles, a good editor base and lots of ways of getting involved. Thus, a plea goes out to everyone to get involved, get editing with the other project members, and hopefully we'll see ourselves take off in a manner not dissimilar to the trajectory dear old Discovery took last week. Many thanks for everyone's hard work so far, and poyekhali! :-)

The Charts

Since it is useful to keep track of the most viewed pages within the project's scope, it seems like a good idea to continue this feature, which was originally included in last month's issue as a one-off.

Satellite was the most popular article of February, up six places from seventh in December. STS-133 was the highest climber in the top 10, up 78 places from 88^th. January's most popular article, Space Shuttle Challenger disaster, dropped seven places to eighth. Moon landing remains ahead of moon landing conspiracy theories for the second month in a row.

Of the top ten, two articles are featured content, two are listed as Good Articles, and the remaining six are assessed as C-class.

№	Article	Movement
1	Satellite	↑6 (7)
2	Space Shuttle	↑11 (13)
3	NASA	↑7 (10)
4	Neil Armstrong	↓1 (4)
5	Apollo 13	↑4 (9)
6	Global Positioning System	↓1 (5)
7	International Space Station	↑5 (12)
8	Space Shuttle Challenger disaster	↓7 (1)
9	Apollo 11	↓3 (6)
10	STS-133	↑78 (88)

For the full list of the top 1,500 popular pages within the project, see Wikipedia:WikiProject Spaceflight/Popular pages (or the archived record for February).

Selected Article: Europa

Europa was a rocket developed by a multinational European programme in the 1960s. Consisting of British, French and German stages, it was intended to provide a European alternative to the US rockets used for the launch of most Western satellites to that date. Although the British Blue Streak first stage performed well on all flights, problems with the French and German stages, as well as the Italian-built payload fairing, resulted in the failure of all multistage test flights and orbital launch attempts. The programme was abandoned after the failure of the Europa II's maiden flight in 1971. The article Europa (rocket), describes it:

“

The Europa rocket was an early expendable launch system of the European Launcher Development Organisation (ELDO), which was the precursor to the European Space Agency and its Ariane family of launchers. The programme was initiated by the UK and the first launch occurred in August 1967.

Tasks were to be distributed between nations: the United Kingdom would provide the first stage (derived from the Blue Streak missile), France would build the second and Germany the third stage.

The Europa programme was divided into 4 successive projects :

Europa 1: 4 unsuccessful launches
Europa 2: 1 unsuccessful launch
Europa 3: Cancelled before any launch occurred
Europa 4: Study only, later cancelled

The project was marred by technical problems. Although the first stage (the British Blue Streak) launched successfully on each occasion, it was the second or third stage that failed.

”

The article is currently assessed as start-class, and is missing a lot of information. It also lacks some basic features such as inline citations. Since Europa was a fairly major programme, enough information should be available to produce a much higher quality article, and it could probably be brought up to GA status with enough effort.

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Response On Dr. Chris Busby

Hi, I am new to Wiki and learning fast. Thank you for your strong remarks. I strongly disagree with your malicious characterisation of Dr. Busby and bias. A C.V. to me is considered reference material. You appear to be single handedly Judge Jury in a trial by internet. I think you are well aware of what you are doing and your behaviour is reprehensible. I hope this response in with the guidelines. Oz Waver (talk) 11:56, 17 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

UPDATE Starting to familiarise myself with Wiki including of significance WP:HONESTY WP:CLARIFY WP:GAME WP:NOTSCANDAL WP:RRULE in regards to your editing and material found on Dr. Busby's Page. I also would like to thank you for pointing out Wiki and how to familiarise myself with the protocols a steep learning curve. You may also be aware that Dr. Busby's extensive experience in Court and current cases of libel. Oz Waver (talk) 20:46, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The above two comments were moved from User:Yakushima. - 2/0 (cont.) 11:41, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to thank you for your work on correcting some very worrying biases and inaccuracies surrounding Chris Busby. I was first drawn to his page by a link on the Fukushima accidents page (subsequently and quite rightly removed) where he seemed to have been stating that hundreds of thousands were now going to die from radiation in Japan.

I was both shocked and appalled that such scaremongering and ignorance was on display in such a prominent and relatively trusted place as wikipedia that I immediately started investigating Chris Busby. I was motivated in a way that I haven't been motivated to write or research for wikipeda before.

As I started to learn how out of line Chris Busby was with the scientific community, the more appalling I found the bias or unintentional inaccuracy in his page. I have had to restrain myself a great deal in order to try and be as factual and as useful as possible without getting overly emotional about the huge amount of damage I felt Chris Busby was causing. Particularly as it's well known that the psychological effects of radiation exposure can be more damaging than radiation exposure itself, with increased suicides and a reckless attitude towards safety being adopted by people just because they thought they had been exposed at Chernobyl, irrespective of actual radiation and health effects. MatthewFP (talk) 20:54, 19 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sure Busby's heart is in the right place. Even if it's not, someone once quipped that a narcissist will do anything for attention, including benefit humanity. (Or try to, anyway.) What matters here is to report clearly and honestly on the debate that has made Busby notable in WP terms.

In the section on the Second Event Theory, you'll find an exchange of views in the literature. In the details, you'll notice Busby admitting some error (a factor of 2). A clearer summary of SET and criticisms of it would do much to improve the article, perhaps along the lines of this [2] review.

For all I know, SET qualifies for a Wikipedia article in itself, in terms of notability, if not in terms of legitimacy -- because, although WP:FRINGE prohibits giving WP:UNDUE weight to a fringe theory in an article on a non-fringe topic, if the theory itself is sufficiently notable -- see, for example, Worlds in Collision -- it's fair game. (For all its flaws, SET is probably still more rigorous science than anything Velikovsky produced.)

You may be disinclined to give Busby et al. the satisfaction of a whole article on his theory, but consider: for the time being, treating the theory rather than the man might go a long way toward reducing both the polarization of talk-page debate and the frequency of edit-warring. This should result in improvements in the treatment of both Busby and Second Event Theory on Wikipedia.

I can no longer edit the Busby article directly, but am open to giving you any advice you might need about improvements to the article. A good place to start might be to moderate some of my own contributions where they could be seen as tendentious, insufficiently specific, or flirting with half-truths. I recommend it. There's actually kind of a Zen-like "NPOV high" you can get from de-emotionalizing yourself about a subject that used to inflame you, through disciplined Wikipedia edits on that subject. I know. I've gotten it myself. It's just that this subject is probably way too close to home for me, literally and figuratively. (I actually live, with my wife, in the same building as this business of ours that's been hit so hard by this radiation phobia.) Yakushima (talk) 09:00, 20 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I will take a look at the article for improvements when I have a bit more time! You seem to be very proficient at knowing what makes a good article and what wikipedia requires.

Personally I try to invest my emotions in the truth, whatever that truth turns out to be. I have had a look at the sources for Second Event Theory, but they are pretty tenuous. I am very willing to listen more about this theory, but theories are only where science begins. Theories don't mean anything unless validated by testing. That is the essence of science itself. I'm not aware of any valid test data supporting Busby's theories. If someone wanted to take Busby's side (like a courtroom has two opposing sides to find a truth) then it's in trying to validate his theories with good data that would be the best way, personally I don't think data will ever support his theory, but I recognise I must be willing to listen if the time ever came.

The issue is that the theory and the man are somewhat one. What really makes the theory seem a bit silly to me is that there have been extensive studies into radiation exposure from high natural background sources, from atomic weapons testing fallout and from the atom bombs dropped in the second world war and Busby seems to ignore the large amount of data these studies have generated. It should be stressed also that those scenarios and studies did indeed deal with ingested radiation too (unlike studies on aircraft crew who get more cosmic rays). In that sense alone, he seems to pick and choose what to pay attention to, this is what makes his science very dubious. I would speculate that he has got far too absorbed in the study of depleted uranium from a radioactivity standpoint, when perhaps it's chemical effects on the body may warrant a lot more exploration. Heavy metals are known for there toxic effects. I would stress though that I'm not a professional scientist!

BBC's Horizon did a truly wonderful and eye opening program about radiation, with numerous notable scientists providing input and interviews. The program is called "Horizon - Nuclear Nightmares", it may be available on Youtube. I'd strongly recommend watching it, it has some fascinating stuff in there. If I was living near the Fukushima exclusion zone I would take great comfort in having watched the program.

I've been paying attention to radiation levels outside the exclusion zone in Japan. As far as I'm aware, they've never increased to amounts higher than natural background radiation elsewhere in the world. The highest natural background radiation recorded is in Ramsar, Mazandaran. It's well worth a look to see what effect that has on the residents of Ramsar. They have attracted a lot of scientific attention.

Finally for now, I would like to say that I know of no more a resilient and resourceful nation or people. I have an enormous amount of respect for Japan and would love to visit one day. I wish you all the best! MatthewFP (talk) 13:10, 21 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Unit Cohesion

When I first saw the article and the way it was composed, I initially did not think that it could be much expanded beyond a POV use of a term covered in other articles, and feared it would just stay as an offensive coatrack. This seems to have been proven not to be the case, which I'm very happy about. Good job.--Yaksar (let's chat) 17:27, 25 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for rescuing Unit cohesion from deletion. I was beginning to feel like the RCT at the Battle of Chosin Reservoir there for a while. I guess all the article needed was a little homespun Japanese hospitality. :-) --Uncle Ed (talk) 19:13, 25 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of Socio-stub from unit cohesion

... and with no edit summary? Morris Janowitz's work on this subject was not sociology? Reason? Yakushima (talk) 05:03, 26 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The question isn't whether or not it's Sociology — which it obviously is — but whether or not something with 21 footnotes currently showing and 5 further reading links constitutes a "stub" — which it obviously does not. I listed this very conservatively as "Start" class now, although it's pretty clearly a "C" as it stands, and have made the appropriate stub tag removals, with an edit summary. Sorry about missing the edit summary before, I try to always leave those in article space... Carrite (talk) 15:14, 26 April 2011 (UTC)last edit: Carrite (talk) 15:16, 26 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, OK. Peace. Yeah, C is about right (unless there's D ;-). Yakushima (talk) 15:22, 26 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

unit cohesion - ideas about organization?

See [3]. Your thoughts much appreciated. Yakushima (talk) 15:24, 26 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It's a biiiiiiiiiig topic, for sure. Outside of my area of expertise, but it looks to me like you're on the right track. Carrite (talk) 15:30, 26 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Moderated nuclear explosion (2nd nomination)

Please see this page. If you want Moderated nuclear explosion deleted, you will have to supply the reason in the AfD. (The page had previously been nominated for deletion in the past, so a "2nd nomination" had to be created.) --Metropolitan90 (talk) 14:49, 27 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks

Thanks for fixing broken links on the Keith Henson page.

If you want to edit it further, there are things that could be added to update the article, such as http://www.theoildrum.com/node/7898

Keith Henson (talk) 16:18, 10 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

QuakeFinder

Thanks for your helpful criticism and advice. Please let me know if my edits today help the situation.

Scottsandler (talk) 17:15, 29 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

WP:OWNTALK

FYI, it is perfectly acceptable to delete material from your own talk page. See:WP:OWNTALK. (So please hit delete after reading this comment!) Thanks. --S. Rich (talk) 06:35, 11 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

~~Misessus. (S/he deleted your comment and you reverted.) --S. Rich (talk) 11:56, 11 September 2011 (UTC)~~ [reply]

~~I am so sorry! The page was User talk:Byelf2007 and the edit was here. --S. Rich (talk) 07:10, 12 September 2011 (UTC)~~ [reply]

~~WikiProject Capitalism~~
Please do not use WP:UNDUE to be WP:POINTY. I see you are a member of the Animal Rights Project. Some/many people think animal rights is a lot of hooey. Would it be appropriate to expand the scope of the AR Project to reflect those views? Some/many people think PETA is a criminal/terrorism organization. Would it be appropriate to expand the scope of the AR Project to reflect those views? Again, most certainly not. The Capitalism Project is in the first stages of development. With that in mind, I ask that your contributions as a member be tailored to build esprit de corps and group cohesion. Thanks. --S. Rich (talk) 15:14, 16 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Also, if you raise a Project related topic outside of the Project Talkpage (as you did here: [4]) you should notify Project members. I will do so on the Project Talkpage. Thanks. --S. Rich (talk) 15:40, 16 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, we would like to remind you not to attack other editors. Please comment on the contributions and not the contributors. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. You are welcome to rephrase your comment as a civil criticism of the article. Thank you. This message is regarding the "don't get cute" comment which was directly towards another editor and not useful in improving the project. Please. --S. Rich (talk) 17:15, 18 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
~~Uncle Milton~~
~~Thanks for your edits on Milton. They are helpful pushed on the WP:POLE.--S. Rich (talk) 15:17, 19 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]~~
~~Thanks!~~
Hi, Yakushima! Thanks a lot for your help editing Hypothes.is! Especially for formatting the references, which I didn't have time to do when I started the article. For several days at least the article was second in Google searches for "Hypothes.is", topped only by Hypothes.is itself. ☺Coppertwig (talk) 14:26, 26 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
~~Paul Krugman~~
I knew that article would come back to haunt me; I sort of quietly slinked away in frustration some time ago. I'll take a look at what you've described some time in the coming weeks, but will also be quite busy and can't make any promises on timeframe.. Cheers for the notice. Centrify (f / k / a FCAYS) (talk) (contribs) 16:17, 26 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
~~Audiences~~
Your edit comment "(no matter how obvious to those who know the subject)" here betrays a fundamental misunderstanding. The essay You do need to cite that the sky is blue partially makes the point, but the more direct point is that the audience for Wikipedia articles isn't exclusively for those steeped in the subject matter, it is closer to the opposite. It isn't literally the opposite, as the intended audience is both those familiar with the subject matter and those unfamiliar, but the latter group is far larger. The Wikipedia goals of writing for that audience are not significantly in conflict with how one would write for the first audience, it simply means a few "obvious" statements are spelled out and/or cited which could be omitted for the narrower audience.--SPhilbrick T 14:18, 10 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
~~A modest proposal~~
In the interest of being nicer to other participants, can we agree that if you want to make a point to me, that you do so once on the relevant talk page, and if you are unable to restrain yourself form saying it again and again, that you post subsequent reiterations on my talk page or yours, whichever makes most sense?
For example, you are somehow convinced that I think guidelines trump policy. I don't, although it is very possible I used imperfect wording somewhere and you picked up on it. In fact, I don't recall doing that, but if I did, I'd like to correct it, so I request that you identify the edit where I mislead you to this repeated rant. Now that I've told you I don't elevate policy over guidelines, I trust you will have no further need to say it again, but, I don't want you to think I am telling you that you cannot repeat yourself, I simply request that you do so in a way to minimize disruption.
Is your mistaken assumption based upon my statement that removing uncited material is an improvement? Despite the fact that I did copy it to the talk page per PRESERVE, are you making the narrow point that I failed to state that removed material should be moved to the talk page?
I have no idea why you've developed such antipathy to me, but it isn't reciprocated. I see you as someone who cares about improving the encyclopedia, as I do. We have different views of some of the minutiae, but I'm not sure why that creates such verbosity, although perhaps that it your usual style, I don't really know you very well.
Does my proposal work for you, or do you have a better idea?--SPhilbrick T 19:00, 14 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Adding material which has been removed, and failing to obtain a consensus is not the way we do things. Please treat this as a friendly warning, but additional such attempts may bring a block.--SPhilbrick T 13:46, 16 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
You said:

~~you have never, to my knowledge, responded to the following repeated point:~~

I have responded, more than once. I'll say it again: I honestly thought it was a joke. If you wish to pursue it, the right venue is BLPN.
You said:

~~N.B, YK: I'm not even in 3RR territory but Sphilbrick is crying "vandalism".~~

3RR is not the same as vandalism so I'm not sure why you brought that up. Some editors feel that repeated addition of material without getting consensus constitutes vamdalism. However, as I'm not one of them, I agree with the notion that your actions are better described by edit warring, I regret the use of the word. However, be forewarned that some others might take that view.--SPhilbrick T 14:05, 16 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
~~More responses~~
~~You said:~~

~~How about finally reading my rationale for why you're committing WP:BLP violations, and responding to it?~~

As noted above I have, diffs on request. I even told you how to pursue it, if you really believe it.
You said:

~~Sphilbrick initially removed useful material in violation of WP:PRESERVE,~~

You keep saying this, even after I quoted the relevant part of the policy. One more time: If you think a page needs to be rewritten or changed substantially, go ahead and do it, but preserve any content you think might have some value on the talk page, along with a comment about why you made the change. Are there any words in this passage you don't understand?
You said:

~~maybe that's why he keeps missing my point about WP:BLP vio~~

It is possible I'm missing the point, because it sounds silly. You honestly think readers come away with the view that Krugman is a dinosaur after looking at the entries in the influences line of the infobox. Seriously?
You said:

~~ALL of the "influences" names are those of genuine, and quite strong, influences on Krugman's economic thinking.~~

I've never disputed this. Nor am I agreeing. I has more than a passing familiarity with the views of Krugman, but I've never spent any time considering who may have influenced him, It just doesn't interest me. That said, it may interest some readers. So I support the inclusion of it in the article, if the influences are material and can be properly written and sourced. At which time I'll support the names in the summary. This isn't rocket science, it is easy to understand.
Or come up with a cogent rationale for violating the guideline. Either one, and the BLP claim doesn't cut it with me.--SPhilbrick T 14:22, 16 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
~~Next steps~~
My plan is to stay away from BLPN until others have had a chance to chime in, unless I receive a specific request. Thanks for posting there, I think it will help.
I'm attempting to respond, on this page, to all the points you've raised. You've developed a habit of claiming I'm not responding, even after I have, in some cases, more than once. I fully understand that you may not accept my response, but if there are any important points you've made where you are waiting for a response, please point them out here, and I will respond. In return, I respectfully ask you to respond to some of my points: specifically, what part of the PRESERVE policy that I've quoted do you challenge. I followed it, I believe, and you keep saying otherwise. The burden is now on you to explain what I did in violation of the policy. Or if you've abandoned PRESERVE, and want to hang your hat on BLP, that's fine with me.--SPhilbrick T 15:00, 16 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
~~Another response~~
~~You said:~~

~~But since I wasn't joking, I wonder if SPhilbrick can explain why he thought I was?~~

I tried to imagine a reader of Wikipedia coming acorns the Krugman article, reading the whole thing, checking some of the references, then glancing at the influences section, and when not seeing Dornbusch exclaiming "Wow, I was thinking that an advisor to Presidents, a winner of the Nobel Prize and the Clark medal, must be a very accomplished economist, but no Dornbusch? Must be a dinosaur."
And that image left me laughing.
I thought treating it as a joke was the most charitable thing I could do. You've decided to insist it is a serious position. I'll be interested to see how many buy into it.--SPhilbrick (Talk) 16:00, 16 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
~~Edit-warring on Paul Krugman~~

The material you are reverting on Paul Krugman is not a BLP violation. It is a content dispute, and without comment on which content is "right" or "wrong", neither version violates WP:BLP. You should not be expecting an exemption from WP:3RR. Since you've breached 3RR already, I'm going to ask you to self-revert and await more input to resolve the content dispute. Failing that I will likely block you for violating 3RR.

It's not worth fighting tooth and nail; no one's opinion of Krugman is going to be markedly enhanced or reduced by the number of influences listed in his infobox, so it's probably worth emotionally divesting a bit, particularly since you've toed the line on incivility and personal attacks during this dispute. MastCell ^Talk 18:01, 16 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
A brief summary
I had hoped we could resolve this without getting others involved. You are now edit warring. Please stop. I now see I'm too late, others have felt the need to get involved.
I've never reported anyone to the Edit Warring board, in the naive belief that reasonable people could always work something out. I could be wrong. I will hold off my report, but I'll summarize below the first cut.
Someone Boldly added some name to the influence section of the infobox, without adding any material to the main article text (First step of a BRD cycle)

I reverted, and explained my reasoning on the Talk Page (second and third steps of BRD)

You reversed my revert, mentioning WP:PRESERVE, but not citing what part of it applied, and suggested I should add the text to the main article. I'm happy you joined the discussion, but the reversal of a revert should occur AFTER reaching a consensus, not immediately

On the chance that you didn't fully follow the rationale, I removed them again, and explained in more detail why they were being removed, and what should be done to include them again.

You did add a paragraph to the article, and added them to the infobox. My reaction was, problem solved. [Already told him once I didn't add a paragraph, but a sentence -- one that he has since quoted. Now all he remembers is "paragraph". *Sigh*.]

Inexplicably, you decided to remove your own addition to the text. Leaving us back in the situation with a violation of guidelines. ["Inexplicably" is either his memory loss or a lie. I explained. He protested I hadn't explained. I explained again. He protested I hadn't explained again. And here he is doing it again.]

I posted to the Infobox talk page, and you posted separately here. Unless I missed something, I see no support for an exception. [This is coming from someone who has admitted a time or two that he hasn't read what I've written.]

I also posted to some other places, to see if anyone would support your position. I've yet to find one, please let me know if I missed it.

You continue to add the material to the infoboxes, and refusing to add it to the main text. No one has supported this.[Either his inattention, or a lie. I re-add influences to the infobox, and have been slowly but steadily adding material to the article that would bring it into compliance with the economist infobox guideline.]

You raise the clever argument that the omission is a BLP violation, even though the material has not been there for years. Calling it a BLP violation allows you to circumvent consensus and edit warring restrictions, if it fact it qualifies. I urged you to report it to BLPN, [This makes it sound like I'm looking for loopholes. The fact of the matter: leaving Paul Krugman's "influences" list at just "Keynes" makes him look like a dinosaur in his own field. SPhilbrick doesn't see this because he's not in the least interested in Paul Krugman's theoretical influences, and has openly admitted it.] hoping you would wait to hear form them before attempting to add it again.

You continue to add it, and do so in such a way that mere reverting mess up some of the references. I've fixed them in some cases, but my patience is being tried. [He keeps reverting my improvements, and it makes a mess of references.]
~~You need to gain a consensus to make this edit. Please do so. [He needs to gain consensus that my position on WP:BLP violation is incorrect.] --SPhilbrick (Talk) 18:26, 16 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]~~
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~~You said (@ User talk:MastCell):~~

Another "personal rule" for you, SPhilbrick, and also a Wikipedia rule: don't assume that an editor who obviously put considerable effort into arguing that an edit is a WP:BLP vio can only be joking. If you suspend AGF and take up the assumption that the editor IS joking, don't assume that others are similarly suspending AGF for the same reason, and that nothing needs to be said. Just say, when first encountering what you think is a joke, that you're suspending AGF on that editor, at least on that particular point.

You've got it exactly backwards. When I see someone claiming that the removal of a name from an infobox constitutes a BLP because it makes readers think he is a dinosaur, my view of the edit is decidedly negative. However, rather than excoriate such a convoluted argument, I tried to look at it in the most positive light possible. And the most positive spin I could put on it was that it was a joke. Secondly, I was giving you an out. I hoped hat, even if you were serious, seeing it in black and white might cause you to regret it, and I gave you an out to pass it of as not so serious. I'm sorry if it bothered you by calling it a joke.--SPhilbrick (Talk) 02:06, 18 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Long AFTER I pointed out I was not joking, in several places, you finally come up with some "explanation" that you didn't respond with at the time. Just as AFTER I pointed out BLP vio repeatedly, you FINALLY claimed you were joking. Simply not credible. Come to think of it, the most moronic excuse I can remember hearing for a long time. I repeated this same "joke," over and over, often embedded in other points, all intended seriously. You repeatedly failed to note that you thought it was a joke. I mean, after the second time, you should have at least said something like, "That joke wasn't even funny the first time." No, you just ignored it repeatedly, no matter how seriously I couched the case.
~~I'm really tired of your transparent lies. And your unwillingness to do actual work on the article in question. Yakushima (talk) 03:35, 18 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]~~
~~Emailed you at the gol.com address~~
Greetings Yakushima, I sent you an email at the address listed on your resume. Since you noted your resume is outdated, I thought I'd leave you a note to alert you to the email in case you no longer use that address. I just wanted to get your insights on a few things unrelated to Wikipedia. Cheers, John Shandy` • talk 15:36, 19 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
~~Please undo your revert~~
In your edit summary, you said "3RR doesn't apply to BLP vios"
You made the claim at Wikipedia:BLPN#Paul_Krugman, but got no support, and a clear statement that your view is wrong.
Please undo your revert, and I'll clean up the references, if you aren't willing to. While I will not block you, because I'm involved, you are asking for a block by citing false arguments, and continuing to edit war.--SPhilbrick (Talk) 02:30, 20 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
~~Please read Wikipedia:Other stuff exists~~
You made a claim, on the Krugman talk page. As it has nothing to do with that article, I'm responding here.
You said: probably a majority of infoboxes across Wikipedia violate WP:IBX. Including the majority of infoboxes in articles originated by SPhilbrick
Please read Wikipedia:Other stuff exists--SPhilbrick (Talk) 02:46, 20 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
~~I have a serious proposal~~
I'd rather work with you than continue as we have been interacting.
In short, if you help me, I'll help you.
I mentioned before that I have other things on my plate. (No, I'm not asking you to help on basketball articles).
The timing isn't perfect (but then it never is) as I just received a paper on Anterior cruciate ligament injuries, and I want to work on that article.
My plans include:
Basketball

Deleting Copyvio articles

ACL

Reviewing a few hundred articles as part of a CCI investigation
That's a full plate for me, but if you though you could review 50-100 articles for CCI, I could find time to work on the Krugman article.
This is only a bare bones, but if you have any interest, I'll make a more concrete proposal on how we could work together.
You obviously have energy and passion; I'd like to see that channeled to improving the encyclopedia.--SPhilbrick (Talk) 13:34, 20 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
~~FYI, I am on the road the next couple days, with limited access to internet.--SPhilbrick (Talk) 01:26, 21 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]~~
~~Paul Krugman~~
~~Paul Krugman~~
[Yakushima] is "an editor [who] believes that it's a BLP violation not to mention every single person who influenced the subject (like: oops we forgot to include his Mum)." (From Bishonen's Talk page).
Consider getting up to speed before making comments like this about me. You might start with the fact that, early on (over two weeks ago today), I voiced a negative opinion of the whole concept of an "influences" list for economists, agreeing with Volunteer Marek in his criticisms of it.[5] But I'm trying to be pragmatic here: as long as adherence with the guidelines for such a ridiculous field as "influences" is, in general, a good thing, and as long as the article is moving toward adherence with that guideline without deleting useful information that took real work to dig up (as I've been trying to do), then that's de facto conformance with a guideline that, when applied too directly (as SPhilbrick tried to do, and which other similarly ignorant editors have tried to do), only violates WP:BLP while depriving readers of useful information.
No amount of arguing from some picture of a "reasonable" or "average reader" makes sense until you characterize the larger classes of readers for the BLP. They will be heterogeneous. Here, let me get you started on "average reader": Since Paul Krugman is a polarizing figure, the "average" will probably be quite unrepresentative -- since it would have to consist of people in the middle with no preconceptions, true or false, about Krugman. Which is very unlikely, if they are doing a web search on him revealing the Wikipedia bio, since they probably read something about him earlier. Given how much is false about Krugman on the web, it's likely they read something false. In much the same way, it makes no sense to talk about the "average" ideological disposition of a member of the U.S. Congress -- it's a very polarized body, with two clusters and no middle left to speak of.
Well, then, what about some picture of a "reasonable" reader? Are you game to argue against WP:BLP vio from that angle? OK, then, try here: [6]. Try really reading. Try really thinking. But if you're not up to the complexities that arise at the intersection of BLP+technical+polarizing, try to move on to stuff you can actually handle without making prejudicial comments about an editor who has done more in the last few weeks to get this article into conformance with the infobox economist guidelines on "influences" lists than anybody who's been reverting his edits. That would be me. Yakushima (talk) 09:31, 22 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The only thing you've done in that article is to argue tendentiously that an infobox needs to be stuffed with every single influence that a subject may have had. Do you simply not understand that infoboxes are meant to be a very condensed overview? There is a whole article to explain the nuances, so your claim about BLP violations is complete garbage. You've been told this by a number of editors and still you insist that you're the only one who could possibly be right. Not only that but you insist on edit-warring to impose your view – and you've been blocked for it, and yet you've still learned nothing. If you want to write in detail about Krugman, then do it in the body of the article, and save your explanations for that. You'll also benefit from cutting out the "similarly ignorant editors" crap or your career in Wikipedia is likely to come to premature end. Now you think hard about that - and stay off my talk page until you've got something civil to say. --RexxS (talk) 11:42, 22 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
~~Unethical?~~
I've been letting many of your uncivil comments slide, but I will address your charge here that I've proposed something unethical. I'll AGF and assume my wording was sloppy, and it left the wrong impression. I haven't for a second, considered compromising a principle. You think that influences can be listed in infoboxes even when they are not in the main article, while I think the guideline applies, which means inclusion of a discussion of influences in the main article is a necessary (though perhaps not sufficient) threshold before inclusion in the infobox. You've complained that you aren't getting the help you need to properly add them to the main article.
I'm offering to help.
But yes, I want something in return, because, frankly, I have far too much on my plate that is far more interesting to me. However, if it would help keep an editor who has the potential to contribute positively, I'm willing to work on including the influences in the main article.
If you think that violates some principle, please point it out. I'm not offering to leave the influences in the info box while we work on adding them to the main article, I'm offering to help you work on add them to the main article, so they can get into the info box as quickly as possible, in compliance with guidelines.
As an important aside, inspired by your comment that it isn't clear influences even belong in the info box, and further spurred on by an exchange with respected editor SandyGeorgia, I'm thinking about getting community input about what fields should be allowed in info boxes, tentatively planning to propose that they mean an requirement of "subject to objective measurement", which "influences" would fail. If I find the time to start that discussion, I hope you will weigh in.--SPhilbrick (Talk) 14:06, 22 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
~~My proposal, expressed in economic terms~~
Let's see if you understand economics.
I have something I value: my time.
I am planning to spend some of my time doing a couple hundred CCI edits – in economic terms, I am exchanging my time for the edits.
Why? Because I value the edits more than my time. Both sides are better off.
You have hinted that I should work on adding influences to the Krugman article. That might well make me better off, but I could do so only at the expense of not doing a 100 or so CCI edits, so it is a bad trade-off. However, if you did 100 CCI edits, and I worked on the Krugman article, I would get what I want, so it would be a Pareto optimal exchange for me. That doesn't mean you should agree; you might find CCI edits beyond your abilities, and could not agree to do them, or maybe you can do them, but it would be so onerous, that the cost in time to do the edits would not be worth the gain you would get with my help.
Only you can answer whether the trade-off is Pareto optimal for you, but why not address the economics, rather than decline using some mage up argument that I am betraying principles. If you conclude that CCI edits aren't for you, that's fine, then we can't make an exchange, because we wouldn't both be better off.
So far, you offer to me, in economic terms, has been: I should give up doing what I want to do, and work on something I do not want to work on, in exchange for ….nothing. In economic terms, can you see why I am not jumping at your offer?--SPhilbrick (Talk) 15:45, 22 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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You are welcome to quote or copy any of this to the ANI I suppose, but I have chosen here to reply as I don't feel it applies to what is going on there. The articles of Catpowerzz that I edited were already reviewed by an admin in the ANI, who felt they were proper and that even more eyes were needed. The deletion of material from Karen Black was simple: it was a bloody mess. The first link I clicked on went to the wrong article, and some of the articles didn't mention her at all. I had every intention of fixing the problem, which I finally got to this morning, but it was better empty than in the state it existed. (again, a topic for the talk page, not ANI) As to tagging, even if you were 100% correct, the way you handled it wasn't. I had just got to my computer and what I saw was a chewing out when it could have been a simple question and decided I just didn't want to get involved further, knowing it could only get uglier. I'm done, you win, whatever, I didn't need the extra stress. Adding insult to injury, your comments over a day later on Catpowerzz page were (at a minimum) rather rude, but instead of arguing, I just quietly left it alone, never reverted your changes. At no time have you ever politely asked me why I did what I did, or even offer "hey dennis, you shouldn't have done that because $x" advice. Even if I disagreed, it would have opened up dialog instead of swapping snide remarks/summaries. I tried really hard to just let you "win" and move on, to just think "he is having a bad day, ignore it". Then as a fourth & fifth comment, you decided the ANI was a good place to vent. You never reverted my edits (WP:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle), never used the talk page of the article, you instead went to ANI and "reported" them, then lectured me about WP:AGF. It was only then that I responded, as I didn't really have a choice in an ANI that is about me.
I'm an experienced editor, far from perfect, but with a long history of being quick to admit a mistake when I make it. You just don't know it. If you had spent the time instead to look at my talk contribs, you would see that while I am passionate about topics when appropriate (something you admit we all can be, maybe a little too much at times), you would see that I'm just as quick to listen and take advice from others, deferring even when I don't completely agree. This ANI against me (the first ever) was quickly dismissed as pure fantasy because it was, and it was obvious to everyone but Catpowerzzz, and it appears, you.
If you sincerely think I have broken some policy, vandalized or that I'm really incompetent, well, then you should do whatever you think is best. Dennis Brown (talk) 13:56, 11 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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I assure you that I didn't make that up. I'll try to find the source, but it'll be difficult after all this time; I think I read it in an old book when I was researching the subject as an undergrad.Dlenmn (talk) 23:23, 13 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I got the ball rolling on looking up that term by requesting some papers and books from the library, so I'll look for "inductron" in them and see if I can help out with that (unless you really want to go it solo :) Dlenmn (talk) 04:30, 15 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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~~The Sveriges Riksbank Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel~~
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"... commonly referred to as the Nobel Prize in Economics,[1], and as a "category of the Nobel Prize" by the Nobel Foundation itself[2] which owns the tradename "Nobel Prize"[3] [....] Winners are announced on the same day as other Nobel Prize winners, and receive the award at the same ceremony.[4]"
If even owner of the tradename "Nobel Prize" refers to it as one of its prize categories, perhaps you should take up their own "erroneous" usage with them before making further edits to the article. From the link about intellectual property rights, you'll see that that the Nobel Foundation says it defends their use of the term "Nobel Prize" very strictly, yet they somehow haven't tried to defend themselves against anyone who uses the term "Nobel Prize" to refer to the economics Nobel. It was not some independent prize established by the Bank of Sweden, but a collaboration that involved a donation to the Nobel Foundation. Yakushima (talk) 15:41, 26 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
You were here: WP:NPOV. And you're right back there again. I've treated your latest edit as respectfully as I can -- which unfortunately has me resorting to citing a blog (at least at the blogsite of an RS newspaper, though not edited by them) and a bloggish contrarian "journal" (and even that source equivocates). That it's "erroneous" to call this prize a Nobel Prize in Economics (which the owner of the term "Nobel Prize" itself seems consider one of its prizes) is an opinion. It's up to you to establish any such "error" as a fact. Good luck with that. Yakushima (talk) 16:41, 26 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
No you haven't; you have no interest in treating my edit with any respect at all. Treating it with respect would mean leaving it alone. You can cite as many reliable sources as you wish, and cite whatever viewpoints of the Nobel Foundation that you wish, and none of them will change the fact that the Economics prize never has been, is not, and never will be a bona fides Nobel Prize. It's in the name, after all, the Sveriges Riksbank Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel, and the fact that it was established long after the actual Nobel Prizes. The reason that it exists at all is due to an ongoing effort by economists and the business world to give their activities the imprimatur of real science and scientific method, which of course is a fantasy on their part and always will be, no matter how many times they buy rights to a prize name. But that's OK, you win, I won't revert your elimination of my edit again. This kind of behavior is the reason that many people give up on Wikipedia - you're being a gatekeeper here, and if you wish to own this article, be my guest, I won't interfere again. PJtP (talk) 18:44, 26 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
"you have no interest in treating my edit with any respect at all."
Actually, I do. Wikipedia policy requires it. WP:CIVIL

"Treating it with respect would mean leaving it alone."
It states as fact that the prize is "erroneously" named, without WP:RS citations as required by Wikipedia policy about controversial statements. Editing in good faith requires either that I delete it or support it. I've given it as much support as it can probably get under the circumstances, which means rewording it so as to state a fact, with reliable sources cited.

You can cite as many reliable sources as you wish,
As it is, I'm down to citing pretty UNreliable sources, just to substantiate that this WP:FRINGE opinion exists, but somehow without giving the opinion WP:UNDUE weight.

and cite whatever viewpoints of the Nobel Foundation that you wish,
It's not a "viewpoint" that "Nobel Prize" is a trademark of the Foundation, and refers to the economics prize as a "category of the Nobel Prize." These are facts.

and none of them will change the fact that the Economics prize never has been, is not, and never will be a bona fides Nobel Prize.
You're welcome to try to introduce some definition of "bona fide" as a criterion under Wikipedia policy in some way that supports stating "erroneously" as a fact. Please take it to the relevant policy discussion fora on Wikipedia.

It's in the name, after all, the Sveriges Riksbank Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel,
That is one way in which it's translated into English. The Nobel Foundation uses commonly accepted terminology, and apparently in cooperation with that bank.

and the fact that it was established long after the actual Nobel Prizes.
By this reasoning, calling what you're writing on a "computer" is "erroneous" because the term used to be a job description, long ago.

The reason that it exists at all is due to an ongoing effort by economists and the business world to give their activities the imprimatur of real science and scientific method, which of course is a fantasy on their part and always will be, no matter how many times they buy rights to a prize name.
The Bank never bought "rights" to the name, doesn't use the name itself on its website as far as I can tell, and ownership resides with the Nobel Foundation. All the rest is your opinion.

But that's OK, you win, I won't revert your elimination of my edit again.
I would hope not, because you're otherwise on the verge of WP:3RR.

This kind of behavior is the reason that many people give up on Wikipedia - you're being a gatekeeper here, and if you wish to own this article, be my guest, I won't interfere again.
I do not WP:OWN this article, any more than any other editor does. I am correcting factual errors, introducing facts, and citing sources. This is called "improving the article". "Many people" lack the skills or basic respect for process this kind of work requires. If "many people give up on Wikipedia" because they don't have (or are unwilling to acquire) the required skills and respect, Wikipedia can improve unhindered by "many people" -- who are burning out editors who DO have the required skills and respect. Whether you will remain one of these "many people" (the many reports of problems with your edits on your Talk page suggests you're among them) ... that is entirely up to you. Yakushima (talk) 05:22, 27 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Hi Yakushima,
I wasn't going to mention it since you said you weren't intending on making any other changes to the page but you should probably disclose your conflict on interest with the ThumbSat page if you plan to continue making edits.
Cheers,
FraserJamesRobinson (talk) 01:14, 27 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I've also noticed your posts on the KickSat page, so you might consider tagging the COI there aswell.
Cheers,
FraserJamesRobinson (talk) 01:29, 27 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Yakushima,
For the sake of organisation can we keep the discussion in one place? (my talk page or yours is fine, I'll post here for now but let me know if another place is preferable). He's your text for reference:
My last edit was to a template parameter in the article; making the edit didn't change any of the user-visible content, though it did make the template parameter more accurate. The template parameter change was in the direction of a positive view of the subject, with an objective basis, since I changed the default (no links to the article) to the true situation (few links -- only one, at the time of editing.)

I've already said on the article Talk page I won't be editing the article per se, but I see no need to tag myself as having a conflict of interest in the usual terms of supporting a business because I'm paid to do so, or supporting friends -- none of you guys are my friends -- or even being a customer of Thumbsat Inc. (I'm not.)

If there's a COI issue, it has a lot more to do with an unambiguous legal threat I received from a participant in ThumbSat, which I hoped wouldn't compromise my objectivity as an editor of the article; realistically, though, it's unlikely that I can remain objective when I'm under a threat like that, no matter how hollow it might be. While I'm here: please make sure that the person in question is aware of WP:THREAT policy, should he decide to weigh in here at Wikipedia himself. It won't be taken lightly here, if he engages in that kind of behavior. It would also become a matter of public record on Wikipedia, which rarely erases anything permanently. I'm sure Thumbsat Inc can ill afford that kind of self-inflicted negative publicity. Yakushima (talk) 08:29, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
If possible I'd like to continue this discussion with the mindset of bettering wikipedia, I wasn't acting to try and modify the ThumbSat page (due to my COI) or to discredit you in any way. I would also like to request that the you don't engage with me as a member of the ThumbSat team on whilst on Wikipedia, I assume you still have my email address if there's any ThumbSat related business you need to discuss. All that being said I was just noting that you yourself stated your conflict of interest on the ThumbSat talk page (reference) in discussion but hadn't formally noted it on the page. I then thought I'd get antiquated with Wikipedia a little more and started browsing articles I may have the technical background to be able to improve starting with KickSat. I thought I'd look at the history first so I don't make any edits that have already been rolled back etc. (I'm still pretty new around here) and then I noticed that the page was initially created by you and the majority of the edits have been from you; hence the second note for you to add your COI info to the KickSat page (in all honesty I was a bit surprised you hadn't added it already since you taught me about COI!). FraserJamesRobinson (talk) 09:36, 27 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Financial I do not have a financial interest in KickSat. Pretty much the opposite: I've paid out a fair amount of money as a donor. I've paid out even mopre as someone who had some Sprites fabricated based on an earlier rev, who ordered a lot of TI Launchpad kits, and who donated some of those kits together with Sprites, so that others could try their hand at developing if they wished -- I've never sold such a kit, and I do not plan to do so.

Personal: I met Zac exactly once, while he was at NASA Ames. We are acquaintances, and we correspond, but we are not friends.

Evidence: You are welcome to find any evidence of COI in my edits of KickSat. I don't think you will. I started the article after I had a lot of experience editing Wikipedia, so I know what to be careful about. Feel free to report what you believe is my conflict of interest in this matter to the relevant authorities here at Wikipedia, if you truly believe it's an issue.

You, on the other hand, have been identified as an employee of ThumbSat and have edited in a distinctly problematic manner (by Wikipedia standards), usually in ways that clearly reflect such a conflict of interest -- adding statements to the article that are phrased as facts but which cannot be verified WP:V against reliable sources WP:RS. I have email messages from you and another employee of ThumbSat telling me to stay away from the article so that ThumbSat employees can edit it -- an obvious and glaring conflict of interest. When the application of Wikipedia's editing standards left the article looking rather thin, you both asked to delete it -- again, evidence of conflict-of-interest in action. One of these employees threatened me in email with illegal action -- a libel suit. MY "conflict of interest" in the matter of editing ThumbSat is that two of you have engaged in some high-handed and provocative behavior, and I'm not sure I can avoid taking it personally in my edits to ThumbSat. I have accordingly recused myself. But it is not because of WP:COI, which is clearly directed at those who hope to benefit substantially from their edits. That's you, not me. Don't confuse the issue. Bring it up again, and I'll escalate it, pointing out to admins that I'm being harassed by someone with a record of obvious and substantial COI violations. Yakushima (talk) 14:40, 27 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"I would also like to request that the you don't engage with me as a member of the ThumbSat team on whilst on Wikipedia," -- when it comes to edits of ThumbSat, I would have no choice but to engage you as a member of the ThumbSat team. It's in the very nature of a conflict of interest. Which, in this case, you have. Yakushima (talk) 14:56, 27 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Hello again,
Firstly I'd like to reiterate that I'm just one guy, I'm not every person that works for ThumbSat so once again if we can keep the discussion to what's relevant (this topic is about your COI, mine is already on the ThumbSat page) I would appreciate it. To summarise my intentions here (I'm concern that we're getting lost in a dispute over emails I haven't seen and do not want to see - I'm not operating as a member of ThumbSat team and the major concern is your COI not me making *any* edits to the page);
1. You state your COI to the ThumbSat page in this post but you've not tagged it on the user talk page.
2. You state your COI to the KickSat page in this post (specifically "paid out as donor", "paid out as someone who had sprites fabricated", "donated some of those kits"; you haven't tagged yourself as a conflict of interest here either.
Rather than getting in a extended dispute over the issue I'm going to submit a request for help from Wikipedia:Third opinion. This way our overlapping COI's can hopefully be identified and correctly listed on the appropriate pages!
I'll share the link to the request once I've posted it. FraserJamesRobinson (talk) 20:48, 27 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Here's the link to the Third option request. FraserJamesRobinson (talk) 20:55, 27 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
A self-perceived "conflict of interest" due to a sense of being harassed by an organization closely related to an article topic is not the same thing as the official Wikipedia WP:COI. Please have somebody here in the Wikipedia admin pool explain the difference to you, if you're still having troublefiguring it out after reading that policy. MY "conflict of interest" is about the difficulty of remaining objective in editing this article, considering that it's about a project that was organized by somebody who has since made legal threats against me. That happened. That's not going to go away. As for your claim of "not operating as a member of ThumbSat team", you are described as a team member on the ThumbSat website, and you erased my entire article as originally drafted and substituted what amounted to a data sheet that you could not have derived except AS "a member of the ThumbSat Team." In editing this article, under the definitions in WP:COI, it is actually impossible for you NOT to be "operating as a member of the ThumbSat Team." You had so little grasp of the concept of conflict of interest that you made that sweeping and destructive edit with no apparent ethical compunctions, even though with even a moment's thought you should have wondered if editing that way was allowed. Now that you DO have a (flimsy) grasp of the concept of conflict of interest, you nevertheless seem to think it doesn't apply to you simply whenever you say it doesn't apply. Really?? Put your inquiry to someone who's official here. I'm not official -- not an admin. Final request: Leave me alone until then, or there will be a harassment report filed against you. If it's found that this has been harassment, you will very likely end up blocked from editing Wikipedia at all. Yakushima (talk) 01:39, 28 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
About your Third Opinion request: Your request for a Third Opinion has been removed (i.e. declined) because questions of conflict of interest are conduct issues and 3O does not handle conduct disputes. For advice about conflicts of interest consult the Conflict of Interest Noticeboard, speak to an administrator, or file at ANI (but only after thoroughly reading the instructions there). Regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 17:32, 28 February 2016 (UTC) (3O volunteer)[reply]
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