User talk:Bishonen

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Ekdalian (talk) 13:36, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Delicious! Well worth coming back for. Thank you, Ekdalian. Bishonen | tålk 15:45, 12 July 2023 (UTC).

July music

July songs

my story today

My flowers of resilience. - Great music (in June, I'm behind: three great RMF concerts)! - Last Saturday, a friend played for us at her birthday party, on four instruments including baryton, with family (granddaughters!) and colleagues, from Renaissance to Haydn. - My story today is very personal: the DYK appeared on Wikipedia's 15th birthday, and describes a concert I sang. I was requested to translate the bio into German for a memorial concert ... - see background, and we talked about life and death. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:11, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, Gerda. Bishonen | tålk 20:04, 12 July 2023 (UTC).

more? fireworks on the Rhine pictured on 1 July, but the real stars were sun and moon. I love today's story. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:52, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

On today's Main page, you can find a cantata that Bach first performed 300 years ago, and an iconic saxophonist from East Germany. - A bit of QAI history on my talk, Br'er, RexxS and more. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:52, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

While today's DYK highlights Santiago on his day, I did my modest share with my story today, describing what I just experienced, pictured. I began the article of the woman in green. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:09, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

Today Jahrhundertring, and I'm listening to Götterdämmerung from the Bayreuth Festival, close to the scene pictured, - the image (of a woman who can't believe what she has to see) features also on the article talk. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:56, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Great, Gerda. I do appreciate it. Bishonen | tålk 20:08, 31 July 2023 (UTC).

Email

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Thanks & Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 07:47, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

I've replied. Bishonen | tålk 09:27, 17 July 2023 (UTC).

Thanks a lot. Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 11:14, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

The sock has finally been blocked! Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 11:20, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

User Varoon

Hey Bishonen, check Seewoosagur Ramgoolam. I studied the Indian Express newspaper source and edited that article on the basis of that. But that particular user is continuously reverting my edits saying that Indian classification are not relevant in Mauritius. I think WP: STICKTOSOURCE applies there. I was about to take that user to WP:ANI, but on their talkpage, I saw numerous messages of previous such reportings of that user by different editors. So, i chose to inform you.This will save our time.-Admantine123 (talk) 08:10, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Talk:Seewoosagur Ramgoolam was last edited on 15 December 2021. Johnuniq (talk) 09:25, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Good point, Johnuniq. Yes, Admantine123, please use the talkpage. Bishonen | tålk 09:31, 17 July 2023 (UTC).

It's not content dispute, it's clear vandalism. The source explicitly say something, but he is putting something else, as per his own opinion. A third uninvolved editor may verify this.-Admantine123 (talk) 10:35, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Even if you are correct, the other editor presumably thinks the edits are good (see WP:AGF which is a policy we are required to follow). A calm and clear explanation on article talk will clarify the situation for other editors. Johnuniq (talk) 10:59, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

I have initiated a discussion on talk page of that article. But, I am sure that this is the case of WP:CIR. Let's see, what they say.-Admantine123 (talk) 11:39, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

They've continued edit warring without responding on talk, Admantine123. I've warned. Bishonen | tålk 17:10, 19 July 2023 (UTC).

Thanks Bishonen, this is a WP:CIR issue. They are not providing any source and reverting the sourced content as per their preference. I can't see your warning on their talk page btw. Please, also note the recent messages on their talk page, they all are about this particular user not sticking to source and edit warring on several other articles. -Admantine123 (talk) 17:12, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Wow, looks like I forgot to save. Good job you told me. Bishonen | tålk 18:54, 19 July 2023 (UTC).

To be fair

I have actually seen some unironic nazis / conspiracists claim that there is a Jewish / non white agenda to cause global warming. It's quite amusing tbh! GeneralHamster (talk) 13:22, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

OK. I don't think it goes in the article essay, though. Definitely not without a reliable source. Bishonen | tålk 17:03, 19 July 2023 (UTC).

Admin action review

I have asked for a review of your recent action at Wikipedia:Administrative action review#Unblock of Tony1 by Bishonen. Sandstein 10:48, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

Advice

Hi Bishonen, awhile back I saw that you tried to deal with some issues with Gtoffoletto (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)[1]. Not asking for action on your part since it looks like you dealt with plenty there, just advice from someone familiar with them. It seems like a lot of the badgering, etc. has transferred over to the GMO periphery over at Environmental Working Group, a fringe organization in the subject. There's a bit of that going on at the last few talk sections at Talk:Environmental_Working_Group where they haven't been getting traction with edits (mostly due to MEDRS issues or WP:SYNTH), they don't address those issues, and just reinsert slightly changed text while accusing others of stonewalling. There's a bit of a cycle now where they've denied knowing what other editors are talking about, editors linking back to the very talk or edit summaries explaining those issues, and overall refusal to get the point that's made following anything from an outside perspective difficult. That or messing around with editors comments on talk pages[2][3] Constant just seems to be the word to best describe all this.

Since you dealt with similar issues from them (and they've accumulated a block log for this kind of stuff since you initially interacted with them), I was wondering if you had any advice on how to proceed with addressing the behavior side of this editor? It's been a headache having to repeat things so much that I honestly don't look forward to trying to sort out all the underlying behavior issues at admin boards. It's just been a mess trying to give them pathways to get consensus on the talk page for something only for them to lash out with stuff like this or barrel ahead with edits anyways. Thanks for any advice. KoA (talk) 20:00, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

EWG is a notable environmental activism group. For example, they publish a popular list of “safe” sunscreens. I think it is an error to characterize this group as “fringe”. Jehochman ^Talk 13:43, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Jaguar padding by ... Not to go all tangent-y here, but at least one highly reputable organization considers that list of "safe" sunscreens to be...suspect. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 14:12, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, but suspect is not fringe. There is a lot of room for scientific disagreement. The EWG list is based on an objective criteria: does or does not have some chemicals. There may be dispute about whether those chemicals are unsafe or not. No doubt the manufacturers think they are safe, as well as their consulting experts and groups who they sponsor. Jehochman ^Talk 18:21, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

Request for protecting the article on Mahishya

Hi Bishonen.. almost all such caste articles are protected (in fact, mostly ECP), I am not sure why Mahishya is an exception! Would request you to take care of the user RohitSenapati55 as well, who is edit warring in spite of all warnings! Thanks & Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 07:34, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

Absolutely, Ekdalian. Thank you. Bishonen | tålk 07:44, 24 July 2023 (UTC).

Thanks a lot for your prompt action! Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 07:49, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

Tendentious editing by Nobita's associate

Hi Bishonen.. user CharlesWain has been following my edits for quite some time, reverting my edits wherever possible on some ground or the other! Latest examples are 1, 2 (supporting the master of socks, Nobita here), 3, etc. You might remember user DearDebasish, you had earlier blocked & unblocked this user, finally warned him for edit warring, and the user has changed their original name, DearDebasish!

I have always felt that this user doesn't edit neutrally as far as Bengali Kayastha / related articles are concerned, but couldn't confirm the same! One fine morning, when I checked Bengali Wikipedia, I found that all the socks/blocked users here including Nobita456 were pretty much active there doing exactly what we prevented them from doing in English Wikipedia! I had posted here at that time, so you may be aware that I fought against those users, Nobita was blocked in Bengali Wikipedia after I initiated an SPI, and finally managed to convince their admins that we should replace the poor versions of these sensitive caste articles by the translation of their respective articles from English Wikipedia.

Coming to the point, I was stunned to see that CharlesWain was active there in Bengali Wikipedia, and helped Nobita create a poor version of the Kayastha article, since Nobita's objective was to promote Baidya caste and undermine Kayastha (sounds silly) as part of medieval Baidya-Kayastha rivalry! You may check this talk page concern where a user is accusing DearDebasish (now CharlesWain) and questioning the neutrality of the article on (Bengali) Kayastha! I understand you won't be able to read Bengali; the user Sreema1990 mentions 3 points under the section named 'Intentional distortion': 1) Unnecessary/undue mention of Baidya as Brahmin-like caste in the article on Kayastha by DearDebasish & others; 2) Intentionally portraying Kayastha as Karan (caste) which is misleading; 3) Undermining Kayastha & considering them as equivalent to agriculturist castes like Mahishya & Sadgop but portraying Baidya as Brahmin (again accusing DearDebasish)! This is one such edit by DearDebasish! I can ping Satnam2408; Satnam, can you please check the above edits in Bengali and validate what I have mentioned related to Bengali Wikipedia!

I understand that Bengali and English Wikipedia are different altogether, but I wanted to share with you that such edits and accusations in Bengali Wikipedia clearly indicates the intent of DearDebasish, who has changed his name to CharlesWain, probably in order to avoid such controversies! Would request you to consider these and expect some sort of action against this user, at least a warning! Thanks & Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 07:36, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

The false claim that I am Nobita's associate is itself a clear-cut violation of WP:ASPERSIONS. Use talk page for the content dispute and remember that what happened in Bengali Wikipedia can be only resolved there, not here. CharlesWain (talk) 08:50, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

We're also very concerned about Ekdalian's behaviours in Bengali Kayastha page, which include, but are not restricted to, slow edit -warring, WP:OWN, WP:STONEWALLING. Thanks.CharlesWain (talk) 08:56, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

This looks like it's above my paygrade. Abecedare, Sitush, and RegentsPark, are you there? Bishonen | tålk 11:36, 27 July 2023 (UTC).

I am currently (slowly) reading a book to help with the Bengali Kayastha article. There is no doubt that Ekdalian and CharlesWain are at loggerheads, that Ekdalian sort of has ownership issues with Kayastha-related articles, that CharlesWain sometimes seems wayward at them. But I missed the Nobita fun, so am not going to be much help on this particular concern, sorry. - Sitush (talk) 11:58, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

Honestly speaking, I don't have any ownership issue! Together with editors like Sitush,

Joshua Jonathan, and later LukeEmily, I have contributions in the article on Bengali Kayastha! I have been protecting (preventing vandalism & POV pushing) not just this article, but a whole bunch of articles including Baidya, Mahishya, Vishwakarma (caste), & hundreds of such articles! Though the original version of Baidya was written by us (I mean, together with Sitush), I welcomed TB & LukeEmily for changes, and the current version has major contributions by TB; still, I am the first person to revert POV edits, or say, point out the presence of socks! Today, I have reverted a typical POV pusher in the article on Sundhi, though the editors involved in the talk page discussion are other experienced editors!

CharlesWain couldn't explain their edits in Bengali Wikipedia (along with Nobita), which clearly show their anti-Kayastha agenda! Had we (neutral editors like Sitush, LukeEmily, Fylindfotberserk & others, and admins like you, Abecedare, RegentsPark & DougWeller) not been here in English Wikipedia, caste articles would have become a playground of POV pushers, and that is what we have seen precisely in Bengali Wikipedia, where users like Nobita, DrSunBD/socks and CharlesWain had created poor versions of these articles citing poorly sourced content! Thanks & Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 13:41, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

@Ekdalian OK, then I retract that with apologies. It was just an impression: I wasn't suggesting that any sanction was required. - Sitush (talk) 15:11, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

I am a long term editor. I work in broad range of topics and I am here to stay.

I work in Bengali Wikipedia too where I have more than 550 edits in more than 30 articles. Sharing a diff here of an WP:SPA with 30 edits ranting on me in Bengali Wikipedia wouldn't help. I will not stop trying to do what is right just because an editor who works in much narrow range of topics than me trying to create false narratives; WP:GAME. Thanks.CharlesWain (talk) 17:58, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

Come on CharlesWain, you only edit Bengali caste articles and articles related to Mahishya caste; I edit almost all major Indian caste articles! And you have been trying to play Nobita's game! Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 18:12, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

Anyone can see ! CharlesWain (talk) 18:16, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

I have seen edits of Sreema1990 on the Bengali Wikipedia. Their edits seem problematic. For example, they are adding a weird type of claim that in the Mahabharata, the Baidya caste was mentioned as a shudra born of a shudra father and vaishya mother without any source. I have overlooked Hutton on the Bengali Kayastha page (one of the diffs of Ekdalian reminds me). The source of Hutton was discussed in the WP:RSN here. Ekdalian has pinged LukeEmily and an uninvolved editor but has not pinged me, Fowler&fowler, or RegentsPark or others who expressed their concerns about the source. I think Sitush is correct. Satnam2408 (talk) 15:53, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

Satnam2408, you are missing the point; we were not discussing whether Sreema1990's edits are good enough or not! We were discussing about the accusation, and it seems from the diffs I have provided that the accusation is based on facts; DD had created a really poor version of the article together with Nobita! Come on Satnam, we don't invite everyone in a discussion; a couple of experienced neutral editors serve the purpose. Don't forget, you have now established yourself as an editor; at that time, TB had portrayed you as a SPA on RegentsPark's talk page! Now, you have contributed in other articles and I can ping you if required. Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 17:44, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

BTW, can you share the diffs where RegentsPark and F&f have expressed their concern! I am truly interested since I heard this for the first time! Thanks, Satnam2408! Ekdalian (talk) 17:55, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

Satnam2408, got your point after going through the links you 've provided once again! So you are talking about the recent discussion! I just randomly picked two neutral editors & pinged them! I could see F&f's comments but RP was not a part of the other discussion regarding reliability of Hutton! But, I am concerned about the fact that you completely digressed from the discussion! I had requested you to validate my translation (Bengali to English); you spoke about Sreema1990's edits in another article and then about the source by Hutton! Thanks, anyway! Ekdalian (talk) 08:20, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

Hey Ekdalian I believe edits by the editors should reveal their intentions. I cannot comment on Sreema1990's accusations (I have already specified). As for the information provided by CharlesWain, I can say that better sources can be provided there (I am talking about the translations you have provided and that's added in the Bengali Wikipedia by the editors). I have not edited the Bangla Wikipedia much, except for some in my early days, so I can't speak about the sourcing habits and culture in the Bengali Wikipedia. By the way, I think we cannot choose editors randomly to obtain support for a source under WP:CANVASING and I am not digressing, I am strictly following your diffs as You have provided here. Anyway, Thanks to all, Satnam2408 (talk) 15:17, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Satnam2408, you couldn't get my point, and I 'll leave it there! BTW, you want to say, instead of picking neutral editors like LukeEmily, I should pick someone like CW or one of the socks from Nobita's sockfarm! In fact, neutral & unbiased editors were pinged in order to get fair & unbiased opinion i.e. in order to avoid WP:CANVASING! Thanks! Ekdalian (talk) 17:16, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Complete misinterpretation! By the word 'chose' I mean to say ping. You have pinged two editors of your choice in the article talk page, and LukeEmily is one of them who has previously given approval for the source. However, you have not pinged F&F and others who have expressed concern (which I have reiterated),Anyway, I will discuss it on the talk page of the respective article once I get some free time from my professional projects. Thanks, Satnam2408 (talk) 17:25, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

We can't do anything about edits on the Bengali wikipedia but if there are any ongoing issues here, those we can handle. My hope though is that with Sitush currently active, consensus can be developed among the involved editors for any updates and improvements to the Kayastha/Baidya articles without Bish, RP and I having to play too much of a role. Call it lazy optimism. :) Abecedare (talk) 15:22, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Administrative action review#Unblock of Tony1 by Bishonen

Hi, this is in reference to the now-closed XRV discussion linked to above (permalink), in which you did not substantively participate. Please read the feedback by others there and reinstate the block at issue, because I still consider it necessary and your unblock irresponsible. Thanks in advance and best regards, Sandstein 11:03, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, no. I'm not sure why you direct me to the feedback by others (which I have read, yes). Zero people in the discussion asked for the block to be reinstated; several said explicitly that it would be a bad idea.

Come on, Sandstein, you don't really expect me to reinstate a two-week block three weeks after I lifted it, surely? Even if I had come round to thinking I was wrong to unblock (which I haven't), I wouldn't jerk a user around like that. Would any admin? Would you? Bishonen | tålk 14:29, 7 August 2023 (UTC).

@Sandstein The closing Admin, User:Cullen, didn’t back you. You have no business coming here, particularly as your review was out of process as you didn’t follow the required process. You've misread the rules completely and are making claims about who can initiate a review that contradict the instructions. Doug Weller talk 14:37, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

August music

August songs

my story today

My story today - a first - isn't about an article by me, but one I reviewed for DYK, see here. I like all: topic, "hook", connected article (a GA on its way towards FA), image and the music "in the background". I just returned from a weekend with two weddings, so also like the spirit ;) - Pics to come, I promise one cake, the other was too large! Good music, and better even in the concert ending the second day, - Goldberg Variations theme for an encore, after Dohnányi Serenade! - I played with the dedication for Goldberg Variations in my Lohengrin entry 10 years ago ;) -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:43, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Again not by me: today's story - with the triumph of music over military - is uplifting! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:21, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

A light in the darkness, Gerda. Bishonen | tålk 20:57, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

Now: picture of heart-shaped cake(s) uploaded! - Today's story is about a tenor, - why his roles are not linked on the Main page remains a mystery to me. Today is also the birthday of the Bayreuth Festival. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:32, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

One more day uploaded, with another wedding cake - I couldn't resist. Today's story is about the Inkpot Madonna who returned to "her place" 9 years ago, and also has aspects of early learning, remember? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:25, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Today is Debussy's birthday. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:38, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Today is Gwendolyn Killebrew's birthday, - pictured: a spider and sweet food, home-made --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:15, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Philomathes2357

You topic-banned this person in January with a list of conditions [4] but their conduct has relapsed if you look at their recent talk page behavior. See [5]

Also, there is a strong possibility that they or someone aligned with them created a sock [6] who began immediately echoing their aspersions against Dlthewave 73.115.146.253 (talk) 13:13, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi, IP. Philomathes' topic ban from American post-1992 politics, which I set as one of the conditions for unblock, was for 6 months only, from 25 January 2023. See [7]. That means the ban expired recently, on 25 July. As for the potential sock, yes, it might be Philomathes' sock, or it might not be. The opinions aren't that unusual. If you think you have enough evidence (I don't, personally), you could open an SPI. Bishonen | tålk 14:07, 12 August 2023 (UTC).

See https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Prima_Linea&diff=prev&oldid=1163858733

Philo broke the ban and is bludgeoning talks with walls of text again. 2607:FB91:1AEC:8646:AC39:B778:6AFD:D911 (talk) 14:24, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

That diff does not violate the ban, which was from post-1992 politics. According to the article Prima Linea, the group was active from the late 1970s until the early 1980s. Do you have any examples of bludgeoning talkpages? And, if you're going to come in from all different IPs, might you possibly create an account, so that I know whether it's the same person talking or not? Bishonen | tålk 15:51, 12 August 2023 (UTC).

Looks like you already did. Bishonen | tålk 16:27, 12 August 2023 (UTC).

Philomathes's conduct has continued to degrade. Now when the problems with their conduct have been pointed out they have begun demanding that other users cease participating in those talk threads and threatening to "seek two way interaction bans."

I also reviewed their past further to make aure I had a good understanding after they accused Andrevan of conduct towards them "dating back months and months" [8] but found no problem conduct from Andrevan. The current worst of the bludgeoning is at Wikipedia talk:Neutral point of view where they are rehashing their old just-prior-to-topic-ban arguments from Wikipedia Talk:Manual of Style/Words to watch, the same that they promised not to engage in during the unblocking discussions on their talk page, along with a couple of politics related pages where they are trying to remove terms such as "far right" and insisting that everything is "opinion," such as Talk: Breitbart News.

I am asking your review first as the prior blocking admin rather than going to a board since they seem unwilling to listen to anyone pointing out the legitimate concerns with their conduct. Lois Lane of Earth-12 (talk) 23:15, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

@Lois Lane of Earth-12 I see one request for an interaction ban, have I missed any? And I've asked who that is aimed at. I think it's Andrevan who posted to P's talk page. As for bludgeoning, given the number of replies and the agf etc problems, yes. Doug Weller talk 08:04, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

@Doug Weller Philomathes made one at Andrevan and another I think was directed at me. Lois Lane of Earth-12 (talk) 12:42, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

@Lois Lane of Earth-12 I am not sure, I think that’s a problem with the reply feature. Andrevan, not you. Doug Weller talk 12:57, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Even worse. [9] Lois Lane of Earth-12 (talk) 15:29, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Well, this is interesting.

My thread on NPOV does relate to my pre-ban interests. To be clear, I recognize that a fair amount of my pre-ban conduct towards other users was unacceptable. However, the NPOV thread seems to have generated a lot of interesting back-and-forth, and I don't see how it's inherently problematic, nor do I see a consensus within the thread that the thread lacks merit. On the contrary.

It's intriguing that a supposedly "new user" created an account for, apparently, the sole purpose of singling me out. This is at least the third time this has happened. Am I paranoid, or is that a little bit sus?

I get very frustrated when people are rude to me, and especially when people mock or dismiss a strawman version of what I've said. I know I can be verbose, but there's a simple solution: don't read what I wrote unless you truly want to engage in a fairly extensive and deep discussion. If you don't want to engage with the material, there are literally millions and millions of other articles to read and improve.

However, I definitely need to learn to refrain from engaging with the non-constructive negative comments, because two wrongs don't make a right, and even if I think someone's being a d*ck or engaging in bad faith, an AGF violation on my part is not acceptable, and I get that. I and I alone am responsible for my conduct, and therefore I'm going to go ahead and give myself a voluntary 48-hour ban from Wikipedia to go outside and get some fresh air, effective immediately. Cheers. Philomathes2357 (talk) 04:53, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

"I can be verbose but there's a simple solution: don't read what I wrote unless"

I hope you would realize you're admitting that your walls of text are one of several ways you deliberately try to run oeople off, which is WP: BLUDGEONING. The solution isn't to demand that nobody who disagrees with you talk to you. The solution isn't for you to call people "illiterate" or start demanding interaction bans whixh I think is just you hoping to run off people who are not enabling you. The solution is for you to stop WP: BLUDGEONING. Lois Lane of Earth-12 (talk) 13:44, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Immediate reversion

Hello. Following last week's edit warring report [10] I find this edit [11] by User:Tgeorgescu to be troubling. Isn't consensus achieved by real discussion and official procedure rather than compatriots giving an opinion that sides with your own? There was no true discussion. I tried but he didn't seem interested in it, just a challenging tone and snide comments. There also was no effort on his part to do what you asked by getting a neutral third party to take a look see and mediate. And then there was this [12], which I also found to be troubling since it seemed to be an attempt to work around your lock and return the article to Tgeorgescu's preference. While I have no interest in dying on any hill, it just seems to me how he handled the entire incident was poor and not in the spirit of working on a solution. My edits were mostly grammar related and to achieve neutrality, nothing controversial. I suppose there's nothing left to do about any of this, but I thought you might be interested in how things ended up following the edit war notification. Thank you for your time. A4M2 Alaska4Me2 (talk) 12:28, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello, User:Alaska4Me2. "Compatriots"? I'm not sure what you mean. Are you insinuating that the users agreeing with User:Tgeorgescu are meatpuppets? Please remember that we're supposed to assume good faith here. It's obvious to me that Tgeorgescu does have talkpage consensus for applying WP:RS/AC. Also, from the way you argue on talk, notably here, I have to join Tgeorgescu in wondering whether you have actually read WP:RS/AC, which has been mentioned so many times in the discussion. It doesn't look like it. Another point I'd like to make: you say "There also was no effort on his part to do what you [meaning me] asked by getting a neutral third party to take a look see and mediate". Right. I didn't ask Tgeorgescu in particular to use WP:3O; I suggested it to both of you. There was no effort on your part to do so either. Bishonen | tålk 18:38, 15 August 2023 (UTC).

Bad choice of wording. I meant similar viewpoints not that they are colluding together. I misunderstood your direction for the mediation. Since I've never had this kind of issue previously and am not as experienced as the other individual, I read it as you were wanting the other party to take care of it. Looking back at what you did say, I can see it was an either-or suggestion. I'll know better if I run into anything similar in the future. Thank you for responding! A4M2 Alaska4Me2 (talk) 19:36, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

@Alaska4Me2: If you search en.wiki talk pages, that specific WP:RS/AC claim has already been discussed several times in the past. tgeorgescu (talk) 20:15, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Could you (or any tps) take a look

Alekm28 (talk · contribs) has created this draft Draft:Blazo Kovacevic. The artist is real but I can't find anything about an arrest. I know he has done work using x-ray technology before so I don't know if this is a hoax, an attack page or if I'm just naff at Google search today. Thank you, Knitsey (talk) 21:54, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

(tps comment) "...a situation that had captured the attention of the art world" -- clearly ain't so. Looks like a hoax and a rather egregious WP:BLP violation. My speedy-delete finger is getting twitchy. Antandrus (talk) 22:38, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Well, crap, I'm too slow as usual. I just wrote up a painstakingly good-faith-assuming note to the user and then went to delete the draft, but you had already zapped it, Antandrus. Oh well. You'd better talk to them, then, if you think they deserve it. Goodnight, all. Bishonen | tålk 22:42, 17 August 2023 (UTC).

(Hi Bishonen! Long time no see :) tempus fugit...) Antandrus (talk) 22:44, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks both. Knitsey (talk) 22:44, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Activating Farzad Pak Page

Hi dear, I had a question regarding my page that was not published. Then I realized that it was immediately deleted by you. Since i spends many weeks to learn how to create a page, I appreciate if you can at least return my page temporarily so that i can save the information and references I had included in my page. I think now i understand why my page was not published and I do respect that. I have a proven track record of an award winning film producer and I was under the impression that my colleagues created their wikipedia page by themselves. I appreciate if you can assist me on this issue. I just want to have acces to the information and references that i have included temporarily. Many thanks, Farzad Pakwith Farzad Pak (talk) 14:40, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Farzad Pak. I just wrote on your page and offered to send you your text, on certain conditions. Please read my post there. Bishonen | tålk 14:47, 20 August 2023 (UTC).

Thank you, It really took weeks for me to realize how to link the references to my page with all the details and unfortunately I had no Idea of my wrong approach. But the information and references i put are very important to me Farzad Pak (talk) 14:55, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

I understand. Please read on your talkpage what I would like you to do before I temporarily activate your userpage. That will give you access to all your information and references. Bishonen | tålk 14:57, 20 August 2023 (UTC).

Farzad Pak, please go to your talkpage — to User talk:Farzad Pak — and just make the promises I ask for there. I can't help you until you do. My post there is in the "August 2023" section. Bishonen | tålk 15:06, 20 August 2023 (UTC).

Oh dear, there seems to be a problem, and I won't be online for that much longer. Apparently it's easier for you to find my talkpage than your own, so I'll just copy here my post from there:

Farzad Pak, I don't believe Theroadislong can provide your deleted text, but I can, since I'm an administrator. You can activate your Wikipedia e-mail in your Preferences if you like, and I'll e-mail it to you. Or, perhaps simpler for you, I can put your text into a subpage of the form User:Farzad Park/Autobiography, for an hour or two. I haven't done that yet — that's why the page link is red. But I will, if you reply below and a) promise that you won't put it anywhere else on Wikipedia, and b) that you will copy the text for your own use within an hour. I'm assuming that you want it for something other than creating an autobiography on Wikipedia. Please note that the creation of autobiographies is strongly discouraged here. See WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY.

You see? Please make the two promises I ask for, right here on my page, below, and I will put your deleted userpage into a subpage. Bishonen | tålk 15:23, 20 August 2023 (UTC).

Problematic user

Hi Bishonen, See this user Proverealbiharhistory . I think its a vandalism only account. I noticed him after his recent edit on Mithila region. This user is doing disruption on a number of pages.-Admantine123 (talk) 17:35, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Admantine123. Clicking on the user's contributions, I immediately got stuck on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anga (region), where I spotted another problem user (or well, at least another account... you know how that goes, and the names are similar) which took some handling. I don't really think I'm cut out for much adminning in this area, though. Talkpage stalkers? Abecedare, RegentsPark? Could you please just take a look at the contributions, if it's convenient? Bishonen | tålk 19:16, 20 August 2023 (UTC).

Complaint against the exaggerated banners of WMF

Edward-Woodrow recently wrote a letter, addressed to the editors on the Wikimedia projects, staunchly advocating against the exaggeration of the economic situation of Wikipedia (specifically on Banners) in order to obtain funds, against the misuse of the funds by WMF, which gives these funds to other unrelated projects, and against scandals such as that of the Golden Parachutes. Here is the letter: User:Edward-Woodrow/complaint. Feel free to sign in support if you want to. Have a good day Reman Empire (talk) 17:39, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, Reman Empire. (Cool username!) I was aware, in fact, since I'd been reading the Signpost, and am still thinking about it. A suggestion for you: when you tell people about this, I think they'll get more, and more focused, information if you refer them also to the Signpost article and the following discussion, which I believe was Edward-Woodrow's inspiration for the letter. Bishonen | tålk 18:18, 20 August 2023 (UTC).

Thanks for the Info. It will be of great use Reman Empire (talk) 18:20, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

As an info, just in case, it was juste moved to village Pump (miscellaneous). Reman Empire (talk) 18:30, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

In case you have any questions

All talked to death already. Bishonen | tålk 15:42, 22 August 2023 (UTC).
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
Hi Bish. I hope all is well. Some time ago, I got the impression that you would prefer that I stay off your talk page, so I've been trying to honor that, although I don't feel that way and hope it was just a misunderstanding. So I hope it's OK for me to post this. I saw at someone else's talk page today that you have some concerns that relate to me and an AE thread. If you'd like to discuss that with me, I'd welcome that (but of course if you don't, that's OK too). Just let me know. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:27, 20 August 2023 (UTC) Well, it wasn't just a misunderstanding, Tryptofish, but you're welcome to post here at this time. Of course you're talking about my post on Nishidani's page. I don't think there's anything to discuss about it, though, as I simply said exactly what I think of your AE action. I wouldn't expect you to agree with my opinion, and that's all right. Bishonen | tålk 18:55, 20 August 2023 (UTC). I'm really sorry that you feel that way about me, but we don't have to agree. You seem to hold a lot of anger at me, but please understand that I have no anger towards you. However, you described me as seeking a pound of flesh, and since the content in question revolves around Jewish people, that's something that makes me feel a need to say something in my defense. I'm going to say it, and you don't have to agree with it, either. Maybe other people who read what I say will understand better. What I saw on the page was a lead sentence that said that science had "affirmed", shown that, yup folks, just as you had been suspecting, there is a "hierarchy of races", some races better than others. (I'm a scientist, and saying that science has affirmed something is a much stronger claim than saying that science had found some evidence for something; science often accumulates all kinds of evidence with concluding that something has been affirmed. I see some other editors at the AE who appear not to understand that. And similarly, there can be all kinds of genetic differences between people, but those don't give rise to a hierarchy in which some groups of people are placed above or below others.) It was that other editor, not me, who had written that, although I believe that the way it sounds was inadvertent. I tried to change it to be less troublesome. I didn't make a stink about what I had found, but just attempted to make it better. I did a mediocre job of it, and readily acknowledged that other editors had subsequently improved on it. I never insulted any of the other editors at the talk page. But at AE, there are people who are making it sound like I had come along and created a racist-sounding sentence where none had been before, and the other editor was right to have called me out. That it was just a level-headed talk page explanation of why my edit had created a problem that needed to be corrected. That's nonsense. Tamzin was right that it was just a borderline violation of the existing logged warning, but enough of a violation that it could not be ignored. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:27, 20 August 2023 (UTC) Don't give me "Jewish people", please. Are you suggesting I used an antisemitic metaphor? I know perfectly well it refers originally to Shylock. But you know perfectly well that it's a trope that has long since left any Jewish moorings and is widely - widely! - used without any such associations. Bishonen | tålk 19:34, 20 August 2023 (UTC). See how easy it is to make someone's remark sound worse than what was intended? That's what happened to me. But in all seriousness, I really don't want to be in a dispute with you and I really have only positive opinions of you, so I'll leave you alone now. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:46, 20 August 2023 (UTC) I think that there is a strong argument for pursuing this. Whatever Bish maybe saying now. Accusing a Jew of seeking a "pound of flesh" is highly dubious. I'mm certainluy considering taking in to ANI. Dronkle (talk) 21:54, 21 August 2023 (UTC) I think it's best to just drop this now. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:04, 21 August 2023 (UTC) You may want to drop it but I am not satisfied with Bishonen's casual dismissal when challenged on the use of a metaphor that originates in the blood libel culture Dronkle (talk) 11:33, 22 August 2023 (UTC) @Dronkle And how was Bishonen to know that Tryptofish is Jewish? I didn't know that. Still don't in fact. How do you know? Maybe that's what Tryptofish is implying, maybe not. Doug Weller talk 11:50, 22 August 2023 (UTC) I'm very selective about what personal information I do or do not reveal on site, so I'm not going to comment one way or the other about my religious or ethnic identity. Bish is one of extremely few community members who know my real life name, and perhaps she can make some inferences from that. But, for me, all of that is beside the point. I really want everyone to drop this. There is no good to come of picking at the scab any further. The "pound of flesh" trope does, of course, come from Shakespeare, and it came about as an antisemitic slur. It has been used by antisemites over the centuries. It has also come into more general use, in ways that are not specifically tied to antisemitism. I disagree with Bish about it being "widely used without any such associations". It's something that has to be used carefully, with attention to context, in order to avoid those associations. But I find the idea that Bish was in any way motivated by anything even remotely resembling antisemitism utterly unbelievable. We are human beings (except for me, because I'm a fish). Human beings make mistakes. I made mistakes in the edit that set off the current controversy: I should never have used the language about genetic differences (something I don't even believe). Think of it as a momentary failure to see something, but not as me having some sort of malicious intent. I see what Bish said the same way. She made a mistake, just as I had made one. Since then, I think we've gotten things back on a collegial track ([13]). So now, I think it's time to lower the temperature. --Tryptofish (talk) 15:05, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Starkex

Hello there. User:Starkex, who you topic banned from "all pages and discussions concerning India, Pakistan, and/or Afghanistan" has been repeatedly violating this ban, with only a handful of edits since then not being clear and obvious topic ban violations. Do I need to file an enforcement request, or given the egregious nature and frequency of the violations can it be addressed without needing to fill in forms in triplicate and get them stamped by the appropriate person. Thank you. TPF 1951 (talk) 08:08, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks very much for the alert, TPF 1951. Topic banning admins depend on people telling them about this stuff. No, of course you don't need to fill in any forms; I'll take care of it as soon as I've had breakfast. Bishonen | tålk 08:33, 22 August 2023 (UTC).

@Bishonen

Where was I "officially" banned? I haven't found a log (except a message you left on my talkpage) that mentions me citing I was banned from the topics via jurisdiction due to "violating". Starkex (talk) 09:46, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Starkex, are you saying you didn't notice this big pushy yellow template with the header Notice that you are now subject to an arbitration enforcement topic ban? The one where I said I had the authority of an Arbitration Committee decision, and where I urged you to please read WP:TBAN to understand what a topic ban is? And where you were warned that violations of the ban could lead to blocks? And where you were invited to contact me on my talk page if any of it was unclear to you? Or are you merely saying you didn't read it? As for your not finding it in any log, there was a link to the Wikipedia:Arbitration enforcement log/2023 in the yellow template. Here's the log entry for your sanction. Bishonen | tålk 10:57, 22 August 2023 (UTC).

Where can I appeal bailout? Starkex (talk) 11:01, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I'm not sure what you mean by bailout. The yellow template on your page has information about how you can appeal your topic ban, and the block notice I just placed on your page has information about how to appeal the 2-week block. Bishonen | tålk 11:05, 22 August 2023 (UTC).

Hello again. They have made five article edits since the block. Out of those we have Battle of Aror (which I didn't bother to tell you about straight away since it was kind of helpful removing all the bolding from the first paragraph, but a quick look at killed participant Raja Dahir should confirm it's covered by the topic ban), Sinti (adding Sindhis to the hatnote, an ethnic group in Pakistnd and India) and Talpur dynasty (unquestionably Pakistan related), and lastly Sindhi nationalism (again unquestionably Pakistan related). It does not appear they understand that they are topic banned does it? TPF 1951 (talk) 16:27, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

No, it doesn't, TPF 1951. I wish I could understand what's so hard. Blocked for three months (sigh). Indefinite comes next. Bishonen | tålk 16:53, 15 September 2023 (UTC).

ANI opinion request regarding hounding allegations

Hi Bishonen, as you had blocked Migsmigss for hounding before, I'd like to hear your opinion about Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents § KyleJoan, Migsmigss, edit warring, article ownership, hounding allegations. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 11:04, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, ~ ToBeFree, I'll take a look. Can't say I remember anything about it, though — four years ago! I've seen a world of disruption since then! Bishonen | tålk 11:47, 23 August 2023 (UTC).

Heh, thank you very much! I'm close to blocking since my last message there. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 11:51, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

I've weighed in. Their latest post, just above mine ("Why not?") says it all, in a way. That's what I call collaborative. Bishonen | tålk 11:55, 23 August 2023 (UTC).

Caste promotion accounts

Hello @Bishonen, this user Vendan221 is constantly promoting pallar caste from various articles to make Pallar (Actually, a Dalit caste) a Kshatriya caste. Most of his edits appear to be Pallar and Devendrakula Velalar related subjects. His recent edit 1 violates WP:CENSORSHIP policy.

Another user Worldgiant does the same. These 2 accounts have been indulging in caste promotion by turning a Dalit caste into a Kshatriya caste. I request you to please add these articles to your vandalism watchlist. Kautilyapundit (talk) 04:41, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Will check these articles! Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 07:34, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you so much, mate. Kautilyapundit (talk) 08:00, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

OK, I'll add them, Kautilyapundit. I note, however, that it's been over 3 months since Worldgiant last edited, so I'm not sure there's much point in warning them, as you recently did. (Noting also that I'm not much good with the complexities of caste.) Bishonen | tålk 08:05, 24 August 2023 (UTC).

Your contributions are priceless to our Wikipedia community. Thanks a lot, Bishonen. Have a nice day ahead :) Kautilyapundit (talk) 10:48, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Moms for Liberty

Your assertion that the sentenced i removed summarizes the body of the article is incorrect. The sentence contains information not supported by sources anywhere in the article, indeed the word "grassroots" is not mentioned anywhere else in the article.XavierGreen (talk) 19:47, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

A summary won't use exactly the same words as the summarized materials, nor should it. I was referring to the material about ties to the Republican party in the section "Ideology and political affiliations", the material about accusations of harassment in "Alleged harassment and threats toward teachers and public school officials", and the material about accusations of "deepening divisions among parents and making it more challenging for school officials to educate students" in the section "Reception", all of them amply sourced. It seems you think the absence of the word "grassroots" in the body of the article justifies your removal of mention of all these things from the lead, but I don't agree. Several users have reverted you. Please don't edit war; use the talkpage to discuss and try to reach an agreement. Perhaps the sentence you removed can be changed to please everybody? Bishonen | tålk 21:37, 24 August 2023 (UTC).

Per MOS:LEAD and MOS:LEADCITE the lead paragraph should only give a precis of the article, and non contentious material within the lead does not require a citation to a source. If the body of the article gives sufficient examples of a particular aspect of the subject, then that may be summarised with a word or phrase that does not appear in any source as long as it provides the reader with a correct understanding. It may be that a better word or phrase might be substituted, but the original term used should not be removed completely. In this instance, "grassroots" is not sufficient reason to remove content unless it can be shown to misrepresent content in the main body of the article. LessHeard vanU (talk) 15:57, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Exactly, but I don't know if the user is interested any more, Little Less. They complained on their page that I hadn't responded here, some 15 minutes after I did, and then went AFK. Meanwhile, several people have reverted them at the article, so maybe they gave up. Good to see you, anyway! Bishonen | tålk 16:16, 26 August 2023 (UTC).

I practice with a mirror. LessHeard vanU (talk) 14:53, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Regarding Rajputra

Hi Bishonen.. hope you are fine. I had posted here earlier regarding the POV pushing related to Rajput, where the user Dympies had created a redirect on the article Rajputra (literally son of king) to the caste Rajput! All of us including Abecedare, Sitush, you were against such apparent caste promotion, and Dympies was blocked from pages related to Rajput! In between, I missed an AfD, and the article again was reduced to the same redirect after the AfD in early July! I have expanded the article now after one & a half months, but two users are currently edit warring! I requested them to show me any related policy, but no luck! Are you aware of any such policy preventing me from expanding the article! Would request you to have a look at the revision history, and advice accordingly. Thanks & Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 17:16, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Ekdalian, this is Abecedare's baby. They topic banned Dympies, but I'm not sure it was specifically over the redirect thing. Unfortunately the user who opened the AFD, Lithopsian, didn't use a permanent link to the previous discussion on this page, so I had some difficulty finding it. Here it is, in case you'd like to look it up, Abecedare. And here is your topic ban explained. I'm ashamed to push everything over from my plate to yours, but I really don't have the background for this. Ignore it if you don't have time, please. Bishonen | tålk 20:14, 27 August 2023 (UTC).

@Ekdalian that article would be better at Wiktionary - very WP:DICDEF, I think, and really scrabbling for sources. - Sitush (talk) 20:31, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, both. Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 08:15, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

kitten

UshankaWasTaken (talk) 17:13, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

WP:OWN issues

someone has some. Someone named Philomanthes2357. Who keeps accusing people of being sockpuppets so his friend admins can make false BS accusations stick. [14] 73.115.151.17 (talk) 02:03, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Actually, this comment leaves me absolutely convinced that you are a sockpuppet. And not a very sophisticated one, either. I'm glad you pinged Bishonen again, so that she can see that this is a recurring issue. Now that I'm reasonably sure you're a sock, I'll go ahead and handle this through SPI. Philomathes2357 (talk) 02:53, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

UAA bot reported

Hey, any of those stand out as not appropriate? -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 08:21, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

No. There was this, but it was user-reported and also added after your post here. (I've just zapped it.) Are you saying the UAA bot is kind of stupid? Yes... average for a bot, I guess. Bishonen | tålk 10:38, 6 September 2023 (UTC).

Obvious troll is obvious

You beat me to indeffing BarryBamalow by a few seconds. Always nice to see your name in the log! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 21:26, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, Harry! As somebody who always looks too slowly at reported vandalism, and then scratches her head for a while, and then blocks, I'm delighted to find myself the winner for once. The Knitsey impersonation must have given me an unusual burst of speed. (Waves at Knitsey.) Bishonen | tålk 21:32, 7 September 2023 (UTC).

How slow am I today? I had forgotten all about the trans thing in relation to MO. I must be slowing down, 3 months ago I would have been straight to AIV in seconds.

Old age. Knitsey (talk) 21:35, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

And again [15]. I gave them a 4im warning. Knitsey (talk) 15:28, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

Good idea. Bishonen | tålk 19:19, 8 September 2023 (UTC).

Sorry!

About the talk page thing. I do appreciate you looking out for me. Can I ask you to take a look at this edit please [16]? I reverted earlier today but they've removed the info again. I didn't want to wade in all guns blazing. I reverted [17] here. I didn't leave them a talk page message as I hoped it would suffice. Should I revert again then discuss it on their talk page? I was going to remove the children's names as well. Thank you, Knitsey (talk) 15:19, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

I see she has now removed the references, too. On the other hand... Hmm. Please do remove the children's names, Knitsey, but I'm having some trouble finding the info about the doping in the sources. I don't see it at siteducyclisme.net, and at bikecult.com, under "1988 Ghent (BEL)", where Stan Tourné is mentioned (misspelt) as getting silver, there is an [X] against his name. So, does [X] mean disqualified for doping? No, it doesn't mean anything, if you check out the Abbreviations list at the top; there is no such abbreviation. "Disqualified drug test" is supposed to be indicated with a [3]. Checking the list in general, there are no [3]'s, but plenty of [X]'s. It's almost as they decided to whitewash the doping. Whatever happened, it makes bikecult.com pretty useless as evidence of doping by Tourné. Can you find anything else? You may be better at Google Books than me; I was only able to catch tantalising glimpses of Meutgens' book. Anyway, in view of the username, I've given Mandy tourne a COI warning. Maybe you want to try to talk to her without blazing of guns? (Though telling her off about her "racist" nonsense can't hurt.) Bishonen | tålk 20:17, 8 September 2023 (UTC).

I'm a numpty, I just saw the x without checking. I will see if I can find anything else. I will also remove the childrens details. Thanks for being more thorough than me(ops). Knitsey (talk) 20:20, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

This seems to stem from a raid in 1986 raid at Six Jours de Paris-Bercy. Only 2 people were convicted and Tourné wasn't one of them. The only details I can find are here [18] which led me here [19] (no mention of Tourné).

I'm not sure about a site that calls itself Dopeology, regardless, there is no evidence of charges or conviction. I also checked out all the other language Wikipedia (7?), non of which mention doping.

I'm going to leave it as deleted.

I will delete the childrens names. Knitsey (talk) 21:07, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

References, etc

Hello Bishonen, is it possible to temporarily allow me to check this deleted article Mitanshu Kawlekar. Or perhaps move to one of my user pages? Rejoy²⁰⁰³(talk) 06:51, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Rejoy2003. I've emailed you the article. Bishonen | tålk 09:16, 11 September 2023 (UTC).

Hey @Bishonen, thanks alot. I'm planning to rework on these articles. Could you also do R N Mauzo and Narayan Mauzo? Thanks again! Rejoy²⁰⁰³(talk) 09:24, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

OK, done, but please note that these two were deleted as copyright violations. If you plan to work on them, be very careful to use your own words! Bishonen | tålk 09:34, 11 September 2023 (UTC).

Sure, I will. Thank you Rejoy²⁰⁰³(talk) 10:01, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

@Bishonen Sorry, I just went through the email. You've sent me only one article, Narayan Mauzo. Rejoy²⁰⁰³(talk) 10:15, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

Right, sorry. I guess I got confused with the names. Sent. Bishonen | tålk 11:31, 11 September 2023 (UTC).

Draft:Siddharth Sukhlal kushwaha

Hi Bishonen Draft:Siddharth Sukhlal kushwaha was unnecessarily moved to draft space by someone, who was in hurry. I was expanding it and it fulfills WP:NPOL. Even in its present version, it can exist on mainspace as a stub page. Can you please move it to mainspace, as I am finding it difficult to edit in draftspace. Admantine123 (talk) 18:48, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for blocking that account with the misogynist user name. Realwomenfirst 🦖🤍💜 16:42, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

I'm frankly worried about your username as well, Realwomenfirst. Transphobes aren't welcome here. Bishonen | tålk 17:01, 16 September 2023 (UTC).

Please

Hi, could you please revdel these edits. Thanks. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 09:19, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Done. Johnuniq (talk) 09:58, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

@Johnuniq: Thanks . - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:44, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Who are you and what have you done with Bish? 🤪

You seem uncharacteristically concerned and solicitous. (Marginataen)😛 -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 14:33, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, Bishzilla is unfortunately very tenderhearted, young Fritter. She tends to nag me about blocked users stuck in the limbo of nobody-wants-to-review-their-unblock-requests, and will threaten to suborn a crat and steal my tools again.[20] Bishonen | tålk 17:24, 20 September 2023 (UTC).

Some baklava for you!

Hi Bishonen! It's great to you're still active. I came back from a long absence last year and reclaimed the joy of editing Wikipedia. Hope you're well. BorgQueen (talk) 20:57, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Welcome back, BorgQueen! Are both the forks for me? (Bishonen quickly scoffs the baklava before Darwinbish can steal it.) Bishonen | tålk 21:12, 25 September 2023 (UTC).

Yup, just in case you drop one of them and don't want to pick it up. You want to eat it elegantly.

Guess what, I just realised you were from Sweden. I'm learning Swedish language these days because of the articles I'm working on. Sweden has such a rich treasure chest of archaeological stuff! BorgQueen (talk) 21:31, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

The "tålk" tipped you off, huh? Bishonen | tålk 22:01, 25 September 2023 (UTC).

Love the small circle over a. Ååååå. BorgQueen (talk) 22:08, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Åh, så fin den är! Bishonen | tålk 08:10, 26 September 2023 (UTC).

P.S. Sorry to say I hadn't heard of your Luttra Woman before, BorgQueen, not even as Raspberry Girl. What a fine article! Bishonen | tålk 08:25, 26 September 2023 (UTC).

Tack själv! BorgQueen (talk) 10:39, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

To quote a film: The Borg, eh? Sounds Swedish!" Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:38, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

The best Star Trek film so far! Well, in my opinion anyway. BorgQueen (talk) 14:47, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Question

Bishonen, may I preform some general image replacement on several different pages? I am very sorry to bother you with these non-controversial changes, but as it is a part of my agreement, I have to. I ask permission to replace:

Current photo of Boje used on his own article's infobox and under "Leadership" on the NB page with this cropped version. Current image of Boje at the party conference on his own page with this cropped version. Current Vermund image under "Party leadership" with this cropped version. Current info box image of Vermund on her own page with this newer one. Current Mikkel Bjørn info box image with this on Bjørn's own page And to delete this image from the NB page as it adds nothing of value to the article. I would also like to ask for permission to rename “Party leadership” to “Leadership”, “Election results” to “Electoral performance” and “Part platform” to “Party program” on the NB article.--Marginataen (talk) 17:36, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

No, sorry, Marginataen. I'm glad you asked, but you may not. You have agreed to a topic ban from the New Right and its current/former members, so you may not edit any articles related to those things in any way. That is, you can't edit New Right (Denmark), Lars Boje Mathiesen, Pernille Vermund, or Mikkel Bjørn; not to replace images, nor in any other way. It doesn't matter that the edits are non-controversial (in your opinion). You may, however, make edit requests on the talkpages of these articles, so I suggest you try to request the changes you want in that way. Alternatively, you might want to ask Tamzin. She's not using her admin tools atm, but she did unblock you and set your conditions, so she may be willing to answer questions about it, and she might conceivably feel differently about it than I do. If she does, I don't mind. Incidentally, please note that it's more convenient for the people you're asking if you provide links to the articles in question, so we don't have to dig them out via Commons. Bishonen | tålk 18:54, 27 September 2023 (UTC).

Thanks for extending the leeway, Bish (CC @Marginataen), but I'm taking non-adminship strictly, which means I have no authority to reduce the scope of a TBAN, and even if you're delegating that authority, I'll have to politely decline. This might sound silly, because I'll probably be back to the mop in a week or several, but it's the only way I can balance priorities at the moment. I think it's reasonable for Marginataen to treat you or any other admin involved in this as de facto sanctioning admin in my absence; the other option would be to appeal to WP:AN, although I can't say I recommend that. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 19:02, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

The thing is that I want to change images on several different pages and can't really see a rationale behind creating a discussion on every single page. Also, I would be afraid of getting blocked if I did, because this request is about several different pages, and I'm only allowed to do own request per day per page. Another options that I do not expect you to do, is that one of you just could change the images or the ones you agree with should be changes. Marginataen (talk) 21:06, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

I don't get it, sorry. One request per day per page means that you can, for example on Thursday, make a request on each of the talkpages for the four pages I named. Then, on Friday, you can make another request for each of them, and so on. So how could you get blocked because there are four pages? That won't happen. And creating similar discussions on each of the four talkpages doesn't sound like much of a problem to me. If anything, it's an advantage, because you can link each of your request to the other three, to make people aware that there are other things you also need help with. I feel that's an advantage because the talkpage of an article like Pernille Vermund isn't likely to be that well watched in itself - linking to it on other pages would surely help get attention to your problem. And no, I'm afraid I don't want to make changes to Danish political articles. That would make me more involved, and less likely to be able to admin them, and also, I'm not exactly knowledgeable about Danish politics. It's simply not an area I want to edit. Bishonen | tålk 21:28, 27 September 2023 (UTC).

(talk page stalker) As someone who somewhat frequently handles edit requests, as long as you make sure they aren't annoying to implement (be clear about the changes you want made, and ideally provide the wikitext to use), it's fine if you make a few per day across multiple pages. Elli (talk | contribs) 21:50, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello Bishonen

Someone has (probably via the talk page) found my sandbox and copied into the article the images I use under "Leadership" as well as a collage under "2019 general election". It is problematic that Økonom can simply revert someone's (not mine) constructive edit just because it contained content taken from my sandbox. Marginataen (talk) 14:34, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Marginataen. This is a rather complex situation, and I'm not sure what to advise. The IP, 217.116.228.10, found those images, which you had uploaded to Commons, in your sandbox User:Marginataen/sandbox/NB and added them to New Right (Denmark). Now, I had told you you could have that sandbox on Wikipedia even though you're topic-banned from the New Right political party. Perhaps I didn't think far enough about what could happen with it. It might have been a bad idea to let you keep it and edit it, since it provides a path for images of yours into articles you're banned from, and I may have to withdraw that permission. Provisionally, I'll just say it seems to me that Økonom was justified in removing the images. If you disagree, feel free to take this to WP:ANI (but beware the boomerang); I'd quite like some fresh eyes on the conundrum, for myself, even if the ANI folk do tell me I was a fool for letting you keep the sandbox. Note, if you go to ANI, please make sure to link to any articles you discuss. I've told you this before, but you still didn't do it just above, talking instead loosely about "the article", and I had to figure out which article it was. The people at ANI will definitely not have the patience for that. Økonom, do you have any comment? Or you, Tamzin? Bishonen | tålk 18:54, 13 November 2023 (UTC).

Well, I do not think that the sandbox exception from the topic ban is an advantage. @Marginataen apparently uses it to maintain permanent alternative versions of various New Right-related articles in user space and to bypass the normal procedure of COI requests, inviting instead specific other users to visit his sandbox after having his ordinary request turned down, like here. As another user commented here, it also means that the records of the precise contents of earlier COI requests disappear from the talk pages of the relevant articles, contrary to the intention of the usual COI procedure. Økonom (talk) 19:43, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello Bishonen

I'm real sorry for not making clear what article it was. It was more the principle that a constructive edit was reverted on the sole basis that it used content generated by me. I am not gonna take further action. I think it would be extreme to withdraw my permission due to one dude once copying a collage of mine into the article. I've been writing on a comprehensive text proposal that I'll properly propose at some point. Marginataen (talk) 19:44, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Oh, I just see Økonom commented. It's not a permant alternative, it's a work in progress text proposal. I'm not trying to "bypass" anything. After the first time where I, while disclosing COI, simply linked to my sandbox, my proposal was implemented without any issues. The second time, I did exactly the same, but was told that there needs to be a permanent record. Since then, I've not made any edit requests. Marginataen (talk) 19:50, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

The point is exactly that you did not make a new regular COI edit request after having had your latest one turned down twice because of the sandbox issue, but instead responded by pointing another specific editor, who had been helpful towards you in the past, to your desired changes in the sandbox via this comment. This is bypassing the normal COI procedure, appearing more like canvassing. Økonom (talk) 21:19, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

I was more because I wanted an explanation because I was confused about why I didn't have do to it the first time. Also, I realised that I could do some more work on the text before proposing it. Then ready, I'll make a proper edit request. This is all whataboutism. I just wanted to point out the problematic in you replacing an informative collage displaying the first original MPs with a random image of Vermund during an interview for the sole reason that the collage was made by me. This I've now done. I'll make a proper edit request at some point when I'm ready. Marginataen (talk) 21:53, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, Økonom. Yes, that is indeed more like canvassing. I was not aware of the way you intended to use your sandboxes, Marginataen. If I had known there would be attempts like this and this from you to enter your sandboxes into the conversation about the article(s) that you're banned from, I would not have permitted them. It seems to me that you have encroached on my good will and my assumption of good faith, and I hereby rescind that permission. I'll give you 24 hours to copy your texts into some text-editor offline, if you wish; then I'm deleting the sandboxes User:Marginataen/sandbox/NB, User:Marginataen/sandbox/Pernille Vermund, and User:Marginataen/sandbox/Rasmus Paludan. That should also take care of things like other users (IP 217.116.228.10) cannibalizing them for images. I'm putting a note about this on your page, to make sure you remain aware of it. Bishonen | tålk 22:37, 13 November 2023 (UTC).

Holocaust denial

Thanks for the correction - hadn't realised there was an article on Wikipedia. Regards Denisarona (talk) 08:35, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

Plz Suggest Something if possible

Hi Bishonen,I wanted to work on this deleted page Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sujit Meher.If he is not so popular all over the country but atleast in Odisha State he is a notable person,trust me As I am from Odisha state of India I have very much genuine and concrete knowledge of him.When he revived our traditional Habaspuri Handloom,he was very much in news back then.I am very sure the article will meet WP:GNG now with sufficient reliable sources from leading newspaper articles.Ishwar^Talk 11:19, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Ishwar. I'm afraid Sujit Meher got himself a bad reputation on Wikipedia back in the day for self-promotion and use of sockpuppets. See for example Sandstein's close of the 2016 AfD, and DGG's comment there. Sujit Meher was repeatedly recreated with promotional content. That's why I eventually protected it against recreation (which I suppose is the reason you're appealing to me). I'm not going to remove that protection unless you provide some of the reliable sources from leading newspapers that you mention. I notice that you just added Meher's name to our article Habaspuri sari; please note that The Times of India is unlikely to be reliable for a subject like that. See WP:TOI. I know nothing about the Mid-day source, but it certainly reads like a press release or even a paid advertisement. You need better sources than that for a biography article. Anyway, you could always start drafting a new article in your own "userspace". Use this link, if you like: User:Riskyishwar/Sujit Meher. If you put in the reliable sources you mention (not the kinds of poor sources that were criticised at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sujit Meher) and let me know, I'll take a look and possibly allow it to become an article. Bishonen | tålk 16:43, 1 October 2023 (UTC).

Thanks a lot! I will definitely try my best to develop this draft to be article(not being over confident). Ishwar^Talk 02:38, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Regarding a Bangladesh obsessed user

Hi Bishonen.. Hope you are fine! This is regarding a particular editor (apparently Bangladeshi, as evident from the user talk page), user A.Musketeer, who seems to own the article on List of wars involving Bangladesh! I checked the article history and found that an editor Lancepark had earlier moved the article to List of wars involving Bengal, since the article mostly mentions medieval wars when no country namely Bangladesh existed! Bengal is a broader region comprising Bangladesh and the Indian state of West Bengal! When I tried to move the page, the user reverted as usual citing undiscussed move, and now when I initiated a discussion in the article talk page, and everyone who commented there, are in my favour, the attitude of A.Musketeer simply shows that they are not only adamant, but having ownership issue as well. Would request you to please have a look at Talk:List of wars involving Bangladesh#Recent Move & Revert! Please help. Thanks & Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 11:32, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

I have submitted a formal move request. Thanks, anyway! Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 08:31, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

Indef please

Hi Bishonen. Can you block User:95.96.74.188 again? They definitely don't get it. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 05:44, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

Can't indef IPs, no. But I have re-blocked that IP for three months, along with the small ranges they previously used for block evasion (62.145.192.0/22 and 89.205.227.0/25). It took me a while to figure out how to take care of the ranges... but it's all experience! Thanks for alerting me, Joshua Jonathan. Bishonen | tålk 08:08, 8 October 2023 (UTC).

Thanks. I'd first removed their latest talkpage-rant, but then self-reverted, out of politeness, to explain again what the problems with their edits are. But I doubt it they really understand; their view on the meaning of meditation in Chan/Zen does have a ground, but is so complex and contextual that, given their rambling arguments I don't expect them to be able to use the appropriate sources to write a coherent and balanced text on this. Regards, Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 11:26, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

JJ, I've blocked the IP you pinged me about, but it's obviously difficult to get the individual via whack-a-mole. No fun having to semi the article either, but I've done so, for two weeks. Bishonen | tålk 08:23, 9 October 2023 (UTC).

Thanks. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 09:34, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Philomathes2357 again

This is a general alert/request for further investigation I’m sending to multiple respected users who have been involved with this user in the past. Recently this user accused me of sock puppetry (using extremely poor evidence and no diffs whatsoever) and subsequently two users have come to me with claims that there is off-site coordination, administrative corruption, and undisclosed COIs going on here. See links:

• User talk:73.206.160.3#Note to someone who needs to know this
• User talk:Dronebogus#Offsite coordination

Dronebogus (talk) 08:57, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

[[21]] @Ponyo and Bbb23: this might interest you also. Bbb23 note that an impersonator of yours is involved in the Wikipediasucks thread. Doug Weller talk 09:31, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

Doug, I appreciate the ping, but whenever I'm informed about one of these sorts of things, I click on a few of the links, my eyes glaze over, and I lose interest. As for Wikipediasucks, I lump that in with the other weird anti-Wikipedia websites that I don't read. With Wikipediasucks in particular, apparently to even view certain things, you have to register. I know some respected users have accounts at these websites, but not me, now or ever. Wikipedia itself is too much of a soap opera at times, but these websites are a combination of anti-social media, blatant soap opera all the time, and horror shows. Halloween is coming up soon, so I suppose it's a good time for them.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:38, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

@Bbb23 Agreed. I'm not sure any respected editors have accounts at Wikipediasucks Doug Weller talk 13:58, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

Heh, maybe, I'm not sure where people draw the line. Doesn't it fall under "know thy enemy"? Frankly, knowing my friends is enough.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:36, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

I considered it but it seemed like too much of hassle. If the above linked excerpts are considered credible enough, then there’s no point. Otherwise it might be necessary to make an account just to get a screencap. Dronebogus (talk) 14:39, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

Circling back on this for posterity... a troll did a joe job after they impersonated SFR on the forum, then came on here attacked me and Doug accusing us of being antisemitic, Materialscientist revoked TPA and FFF blocked them on another page. There are several attacks on those forums which mention me and several other users. I guess the action has died down, but I'm leaving a note here in-case offwiki harassment of Philomathes, Valjean, or anyone else becomes an issue again. Andre🚐 02:55, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Repeated edit warring at Zainab Abbas article.

In Zainab Abbas article, in response to the recent circulating rumors some are adding info from Indian websites and treating their reliability as absolute while writing info that seems to be written like a troll. Can you look into it. 182.183.0.254 (talk) 14:35, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi, IP. The users in question have been blocked for sock puppetry by Bbb23, so the problem is hopefully over. But I'll try to keep an eye on the article. Bishonen | tålk 14:58, 9 October 2023 (UTC).

PS, I see there's already a new sock. I have blocked it and semiprotected the article for a couple of weeks. Bishonen | tålk 17:46, 9 October 2023 (UTC).

Thanks. 182.183.0.254 (talk) 12:48, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Questionable closure at ANI

Recently Bbb23 closed this discussion at ANI. While I agree it devolved quickly, and understand admins are given pretty broad authority to close discussions, this close struck me as rather sloppy and opinionated given the discussion was still being edited by good-faith users up until the close. When I explained what I thought to them on their talk page, their answer was decidedly curt and unhelpful. I was wondering if another admin could offer a second opinion on this close? Dronebogus (talk) 18:33, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Videh raj

Hi Bish. You partial blocked Videh raj from Brahmin a while ago. I notice they're editing Kanyakubja Brahmin in a big way. Not sure if that's kosher or not but you might want to take a look. --RegentsPark (comment) 22:45, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Ho boy, RegentsPark. The sourcing... They have also been adding that caste to individual bio articles (need I mention that the people haven't self-identified). I've topic banned from caste and social groups. That may be a bit of a pious fiction, since caste is their only interest on Wikipedia. I'll see if I have time to do a bit of cleanup later... sigh. (This is a hint to all the kind talkpage watchers.) Bishonen | tålk 09:28, 15 October 2023 (UTC).

Always precious

Ten years ago, you were found precious. That's what you are, always. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:12, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the pretty Yogo, Gerda! Bishonen | tålk 09:30, 15 October 2023 (UTC).

Request for self-block

I ask that you please block me from editing the page "Max Trejo - Mexican-American footballer" that I have done a lot of work on as it is too time consuming for me and because under the 2023 season section I ended up making the page unbalanced, biased in favor of the subject, overly detailed, and included trivia. The problem is the match reviews. I inadvertently turned the page into something of a sports column and the match reviews need deleted. I don't want to deal with it anymore. I read you block only for six months but I would respectfully request a full year. There are so many better things that I can be doing on Wikipedia. Thank you. Jmr012 (talk) 21:04, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Jmr012. That's the first time I've been asked for a self-requested partial block! Your request is reasonable, and I'm prepared to make it a full year. As per my page about it, though, I'll first wait 24 hours, to give you a chance to change your mind. If I haven't heard from you in 24 hours' time, I'll block you from Max Trejo. Bishonen | tålk 21:28, 15 October 2023 (UTC).

I'm fine with reading the article. I simply want to be prevented from editing it. Jmr012 (talk) 21:31, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Oh, sure. A block won't prevent you from reading it. If you should see vandalism, you may want to mention it on the talkpage, or (perhaps more usefully, since I'm not sure how well-watched that is) to me. Bishonen | tålk 21:37, 15 October 2023 (UTC).

Hi, I was wondering when you would enact my year self-requested editing block on the Max Trejo article? Jmr012 (talk) 13:06, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Oh, right, sorry. You have been blocked for one year from editing Max Trejo. Bishonen | tålk 13:54, 17 October 2023 (UTC).

Thank you most kindly. Jmr012 (talk) 23:04, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Christmas Felicitations

I wish you a Merry Yuletide, a little early, but by December I shall have other things to do with my time. So I’m sending my Christmas cards early - one can’t beat a little organisation. My local garden centre is already broadcasting Herald Angels harking and whatnot to encourage the locals to waste their money on plastic, glittering rubbish - I bought a red cyclamen for £1.99. So glad to see you’re still here - are you writing pages though? So important, I always feel, to educate the masses. Do take care of yourself, none of us are getting any younger! Much love The Lady Catherine de Burgh (talk) 19:55, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

How lovely to hear from you, my lady. A very happy Sicilian Christmas and a joyful Easter to you too! Writing pages? Pages? What are they? No, my Wikipedia time nowadays is mostly spent wildly swinging the banhammer. That takes care of the masses all right. Fun all the year round! Bishonen | tålk 20:09, 23 October 2023 (UTC).

Sealioning

I had lost the link to that wonderful cartoon. Thanks for bringing it back. I may dress as a sea lion tamer for Halloween.

Hope all is well. O3000, Ret. (talk) 20:24, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Hehe. Sure. And I hope you are doing well, it's nice to see you around, even with the "Ret." in your moniker. If you should lose the link again, it's listed on my userpage under "Essays" (hardly the logical place, no), along with this one, which is perhaps even more useful to refer to. Bishonen | tålk 20:31, 24 October 2023 (UTC).

I keep forgetting how to spell xkcd. The First Amendment is the most misunderstood 45 words I've yet to see. Well, there's the Second Amendment. O3000, Ret. (talk) 20:43, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Gurbachan Singh Salaria

Hi, is it worth putting Gurbachan Singh Salaria under some limited but long-term protection? According to a couple of the regulars there - Applodion and Indy beetle - there has been repeated disruption from caste glorifiers seeking to associate the "hero" as one of their own. Who'd da thunk it?

Latest thread is on talk page at here, where a bunch of non-glorifiers with experience of such matters have come to an agreement that caste should be omitted entirely. Both Applodion & Indy beetle are happy with that. - Sitush (talk) 10:17, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Not sure, Sitush. Per the history, not much of the caste glorification has been down to IPs. Applodion is happy with it? I don't see where they suggest that - did you mean Admantine? Anyway, I do see there's consensus to leave out caste from the article. I've put in an edit notice about it. I'm not protecting it right now — please get back to me if IPs do add back the caste stuff. It can in any case be reverted on sight, with a reference to the edit notice or to the link I give there. Bishonen | tålk 10:45, 25 October 2023 (UTC).

OK, thanks. - Sitush (talk) 10:49, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

@Sitush: was talking about my comment of pov pushing by IPs, which indeed took place. For examples see here: [22], [23], [24], [25], [26], [27], [28], [29] just to include some examples of the last months. As for page protection, we will have to wait and see whether these IPs return. Applodion (talk) 12:49, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

TheDelhiBoy2

Do you think it's worth a CU here? I'm not an admin myself. Uhooep (talk) 21:39, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Uhooep. Only a handful of specialized Checkusers can do checks, not ordinary admins like me. And the CUs will only do it if there are very specific reasons to suspect sockpuppetry. If you have reason to think some particular other account is a sock of TheDelhiBoy2, you can ask for a check. Feel free to tell me about it if you want assistance. But a general check of TheDelhiBoy2 to ferret out possible socks is a non-starter; CUs are actually not allowed to use their tools like that. And as for User:TheDelhiBoy, which is of course a possibility, that account is already blocked indefinitely, so it's moot — nobody's going to care if those two are the same person. Bishonen | tålk 01:41, 28 October 2023 (UTC).

Nestle

Hi, sorry if this consumes your time, but there is a certain IP address, 37.35.67.39, who has been making edits to mostly American and European confectionery and processed food companies by adding Nestle to infoboxes and adding Nestle lists and templates to articles and adding those articles to Nestle lists and templates, including many companies which were sold by Nestle years ago and no longer have affiliation. They also have been adding container categories and such to articles. I have advised them on what they are doing wrong, but they seem to have ignored every warning they've received. They also seem to be making many test edits. Some of their edits do seem constructive, but they are being quite problematic. Editors 37.35.67.20 and 37.35.67.44 have recently made similar edits. Seeing as how you helped with Jutos, I was wondering what your opinions are on this. Thanks for your time. AllTheUsernamesAreInUse (talk) 16:35, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi, AllTheUsernamesAreInUse. Could you please give me a few examples of what's wrong with specific edits of theirs (i.e., provide references or WP links for specific companies no longer being affiliated with Nestle and similar problems)? The IPs you enumerate can easily be blocked for a while, as they all belong to the same tiny little range. But I hesitate to do that without having chapter and verse for their edits being wrong, and I'm not much good with multinational conglomerates myself. Also, do let me know if you should spot any more related IPs beyond those three, in case a larger range needs blocking. Bishonen | tålk 17:08, 28 October 2023 (UTC).

I don't know too much about conglomerations myself, but some of their problematic edits include this one they just made to 100 Grand Bar, which is now owned by Ferrero, not Nestle. Others include this and this that they made to the Nestle template, both of which are no longer owned by Nestle, and this that they made to the same page as we speak, this that they made to Baby Ruth (owned by Ferrero), this to Butterfinger (same thing), any of the four edits they made to Moj Kiosk, several categories added in this edit to Zvecevo, and this one to Smartfood. Seeming test edits they made include this to California Pizza Kitchen, this to List of assets owned by PepsiCo, this to Dole plc, this to Princess Gate Spring Water, and some of their edits to Winiary (company) and Zvecevo, which were done in a long and convoluted series. AllTheUsernamesAreInUse (talk) 17:38, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

Got you, AllTheUsernamesAreInUse. I've blocked 37.35.67.0/26 for a month, and told them in the block log to read your warnings on User talk:37.35.67.39, already. Quite likely they don't know they have a talkpage (or actually in this case many talkpages), but they will be shown the block log text. Thanks for reporting! Bishonen | tålk 17:49, 28 October 2023 (UTC).

A troll

Hi Bishonen, not sure if you are the right person to ask but I've seen you deal with trolls before. Just a note this user has made three troll edits on the same article. Here, and in these edit summaries here and here. Thanks. Zenomonoz (talk) 01:24, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) @Zenomonoz:, User:When the Wind Blows is not here to improve the encyclopedia, and unless I miss my guess, will not be around for long. Meanwhile, keep your nose clean, don't get dragged into the mud or tempted to react in kind; just keep following policies and guidelines as you have been, and WtWB will be out of here sooner or later, most likely indef blocked. Mathglot (talk) 06:14, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you both. I've indeffed per WP:NOTHERE. Bishonen | tålk 11:00, 1 November 2023 (UTC).

For the talkpage stalkers: a deletion request

The Christmas card images File:Bishzilla blink santa rotated.gif and File:Bishzilla blink santa.gif have been nominated for deletion on Commons. The discussion is here, in case you wish to take part. Bishonen | tålk 13:49, 3 November 2023 (UTC).

Why is no reason given for deletion? And should you post there or on the discussion page, which is blank? Doug Weller talk 13:55, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Doug. I've assumed the reason for deletion resides in the "owned and licensed by Toho" bit (so I mentioned I don't think the Bishzilla images infringe Toho's copyright).

As for using the talkpage, no, I think their deletion discussions are structured like ours, meaning the talkpage doesn't come into it. (If you look at some random AFD on Wikipedia, there's a 99% chance it also has a blank, redlinked, talkpage.) And reading the blank Commons talkpage, it says it's for discussing how to improve the main page, just as the blank Wikipedia AFD talkpages do. Furthermore, when I opened the main page in edit mode to add my comment, it looked like I was expected, because there already was a * for me to use. Bishonen | tålk 15:45, 3 November 2023 (UTC).

Will the GodBish devour the Darwintwins? (Nope.)

PS, Bishzilla's Christmas cards have already been saved, in plenty of time for the festive season. Bishonen | tålk 21:09, 3 November 2023 (UTC).

(talk page stalker) Is it even Christmas without a Bishzilla message? Knitsey (talk) 21:25, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Indeed, or without an exploding gift from Santa's little helper Darwinbish? Bishonen | tålk 21:50, 3 November 2023 (UTC).

Good grief, you're EVERYWHERE! Knitsey (talk) 21:55, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Might "GodBish" emerge to smite them heathens with biblical force? JoJo Anthrax (talk) 18:01, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Emerging and devouring the heathen Darwintwins? Oh no, let them frolic forever! No truthfish here! Bishonen | tålk 21:30, 7 November 2023 (UTC).

Re: Truthking77

FWIW, I was about to warn them for editwarring, but then I looked more closely and Cullen didn't actually revert their 2 edits, just 1. So their 2nd edit wasn't a revert because Cullen never reverted the revert he meant to revert. I think. Andre🚐 23:27, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

I know; I was just going to revert back to last good when you did. It's a fine thing I didn't have to, I appreciate it, as I now remain an uninvolved admin. Not gonna block anybody for some hours now, though; going to bed. (I didn't say they were edit warring, did I? I told them not to start doing it. :-)) Bishonen | tålk 23:32, 4 November 2023 (UTC).

Got it, just wanted to make sure you saw :-) Hope all is well. Andre🚐 23:44, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

My Other Wiki Is Magic

BTW, it's Bbb23's fault they lost TPA.😛 -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 20:10, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I see it is. Bishonen | tålk 21:48, 5 November 2023 (UTC).

And I deserve many, many cookies for that, as well as a bunch of designer donuts for blocking the user. Disclaimer: I am a paid consultant for the cookie and donut industries. I wrote the article Drunken Donuts, of which I am very proud. Some might think I should be blocked for UPE (undisclosed paid eating), but there are a lot of chips and holes in that argument.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:58, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

LMAO -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 00:41, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

Elegant donut in Miami Beach

Here is a photo that I took in February. 2019 in anticipation of this conversation. Cullen328 (talk) 00:56, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

I've been trying to avoid going to weddings all my life. Maybe I should reconsider.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:04, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

A Jewish lawyer from Montreal married my nephew. a Jewish lawyer from New York. They now have a healthy wealthy baby. Cullen328 (talk) 01:24, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

Who hopefully won't become a lawyer.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:29, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

I feel safe in saying that my influence on the child's career path is de minimis, as a lawyer might say. Cullen328 (talk) 08:21, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

I got married during the worst of Covid in NYC on Zoom. Solved that problem. O3000, Ret. (talk) 01:14, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

Wow. That’s fascinating. I hadn’t thought of that, but why not? These LTAs are a pain. Doug Weller talk 18:58, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

Fascinating also. Well, in a way. Hardly worth tagging or listing or the like. Bishonen | tålk 21:50, 6 November 2023 (UTC).

The only reason I would ever want the difficult job as admin is to read the revdels. O3000, Ret. (talk) 22:44, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

I know! I handed in my tools for a while once, and being shut out from the revdels just killed me. I kept thinking, just as you are now thinking about the post in question, that they had to be amazingly interesting. I assure you this one wasn't, but I know it's not in human nature to believe me. Bishonen | tålk 22:54, 6 November 2023 (UTC).

Hah. Forgot about it before I finished typing that. And I should have added the abuse encountered as an admin. The posts I've seen before revdel were not likely to win any literary awards. O3000, Ret. (talk) 23:01, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

Harassment, please?

Please be careful about what you say to people. Some remarks can easily be misinterpreted, or viewed as harassment. Wikipedia is a supportive environment, where contributors should feel comfortable and safe while editing. Thank you. Voskresno (talk) 22:20, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

I'm afraid you'll have to be more specific, Voskresno. That template on its own is pointless. Bishonen | tålk 22:22, 7 November 2023 (UTC).

@Voskresno: A fair question. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 22:24, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Never mind, I found it: you're referring to my post on your page on 19 July (sic). I don't think it was harassment, and you may have noticed another administrator has just commented on your page to the same effect. And yet another just above. Just answer the question I asked, please. Bishonen | tålk 22:28, 7 November 2023 (UTC).

I can't answer the question because it's predicated on false premises. Please see this discussion if you would like to learn more. Voskresno (talk) 02:38, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Be aware, Bishonen, that this discussion on my talk page falls into TLDR territory. Cullen328 (talk) 02:49, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

I think Bishonen is more than capable of opening it and seeing the amount of text present. I can only suspect that you made this comment as yet another way to harass me. Voskresno (talk) 03:32, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Cullen's not harassing you either. Please stop making accusations like that. Acroterion (talk) 03:36, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

The days when I could enjoy reading expansive prose are long gone. A form of early senility, I fear. A bit frustrating as it hit in the middle of third year English. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 10:10, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

hello

Hi bish/zilla. Just felt like dropping in. ❤️ PICKLEDICAE🥒 19:16, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello! It's the little Praxidicae with the Babydicae! [Bishzilla puts the baby very cautiously in her pocket.] Stay! No egress through catflap! bishzilla _ROARR!! pocket 19:24, 13 November 2023 (UTC).

Disruptive editor RealPharmer3

Let me know if I need to take this elsewhere.

Other users previously warned RealPharmer3 for engaging in WP:WHITEWASHING of pages, here, here, here, and here.

• RealPharmer3 came to Andrew Huberman where they claimed negative reception of Huberman needed to be "removed immediately".

• Here they deleted a quote from a reliable source, and did their own analysis by linking to the CDC in their edit summary.

• On two occasions, the user removed the wikilinks to the McGill Office for Science and Society next to a critical statement on Huberman (here and here). Seems to be an intentional clear whitewashing attempt to reduce the credibility of the source.

• RealPharmer3 has edited to replace quotes, e.g. here, instead of simply adding more context alongside it.

• ^That also appears to constitute WP:PROFRINGE editing. In replacing a quote to give credibility to Hubermans anti-sunscreen claim, they selectively left out the next sentence from the original source which states "no evidence is offered" that sunscreen stays in the body for 10 years.

• The user also appears to fail to WP:GETTHEPOINT after I linked them a number of editing guideline pages. Here they claim they were a good editor "from the beginning" and complain about being reverted while claiming they are just 'adding balance'. Here they suggest they have no idea what content they selectively edited out, despite me linking the edit history right above. Also see the talk page where the user keeps repeating arguments to myself and another user.

It's a bit of a headache having to go back and forth on the talk page, and edit to correct their sloppy editing. The persistent editing seems like a form of edit warring, alongside the WP:WHITEWASHING and WP:NOTHERE. Is it possible for you to warn or take action? Cheers. Zenomonoz (talk) 04:40, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Zenomonoz. Thanks for your report. I've studied the history and talkpage of Andrew D. Huberman (I'm not as interested in the very old warnings) and yes, that looks like tendentious editing to me. I have warned RealPharmer3, and may page-block them, unless they can give satisfactory answers to a couple of questions I have asked. Bishonen | tålk 21:51, 21 November 2023 (UTC).

Duplicates

Hello again, Bishonen. Not sure if you are fine being my 'go-to' source for problems like these, but I don't really know where else to go, so... There is an article I discovered, Mlangeni Nawa, which appears to be a duplicate of Don Eric Mlangeni. Don Eric Mlangeni was made months before Mlangeni Nawa was, so that is the original article, but Mlangeni Nawa is in much better shape. Their sources are slightly different and Don Eric is tagged for notability, but their content is nearly the same except for the lede. A cursory google search seems to show him referred to as Don Mlangeni the most. Do you have any advice on what I should do in this situation? Turn one of the articles into a redirect to the other? Start a new one named Don Mlangeni and delete the other two?

Many thanks, AllTheUsernamesAreInUse (talk) 05:48, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi, AllTheUsernamesAreInUse. Nice catch! You don't need to start a third article; instead, if I were you, I'd move Mlangeni Nawa (the better article) to a new name, "Don Mlangeni", leaving Mlangeni Nawa as a redirect, and then turn Don Eric Mlangeni into a redirect to Don Mlangeni. That way, people can type in any of the three versions of the name and still land at an article under the most used name. At a glance, I don't see any content worth merging, but if you do, then of course add it to the target article. Bishonen | tålk 10:12, 23 November 2023 (UTC).

Will there be a sequel, A Few Redirects More? -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 12:30, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Email

Hello, Bishonen. Please check your email; you've got mail!
It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template.Tcdm (talk) 19:12, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. Tcdm (talk) 19:12, 25 November 2023 (UTC)}}

• I've replied. Bishonen | tålk 19:42, 25 November 2023 (UTC).

  Thank you so much. Will advise if your assistance is needed again in the future. Tcdm (talk) 19:56, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Tinder

I tried adding references, but found it hard to navigate around the clutter when writing. So I decided to say my piece first, then add sources after. Highland Blast (talk) 22:47, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

I'm afraid that's not acceptable, Highland Blast; you need to add sources along with the text. (It's no big deal if it isn't technically correct; you can fix that afterwards.) Please look up WP:Reliable sources to see what type of sources are acceptable. I'm sorry, but I find it hard to believe that any source will make it encyclopedic to add the kind of opinion that you do. Note that article text is supposed to be neutral per our policy WP:NPOV. Bishonen | tålk 22:55, 25 November 2023 (UTC).

Anyway, I have to go to bed now. Hello, talkpage stalkers in other timezones, you're welcome to take a look at recent edits to Tinder (app), as Highland Blast may need further assistance. Bishonen | tålk 22:58, 25 November 2023 (UTC).

Looks like Galobtter took care of it elegantly. Good night to everyone (eventually). ---Sluzzelin talk 02:30, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Yes I've been ambushed. By two women! LOL Highland Blast (talk) 12:48, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

And now you've created your userpage, nice. Hope you continue as an editor. [Changed my mind about that. Bishonen | tålk 12:28, 27 November 2023 (UTC).] Wow, I never knew Galobtter was a lady. Well, there you go. Hi, Sluzzelin, always a pleasure! Bishonen | tålk 13:35, 26 November 2023 (UTC).

Help with the removal of unnecessary quotes.

After reading WP:QUOTE's "Editors should take care to avoid letting quotations, especially from unreliable sources" and WP:Dontoverusequotes's "Quotations are often taken from primary sources such as personal diaries or interviews. The problem with such sources is that they may not be fully representative of an individual's views. It may be that they changed their views throughout their life, or held conflicting views at once."

Considering a nazi individual Albert Speer cannot be taken that of a reliable source, so in Religious views of Adolf Hitler's Views of Islam section 4th para was "According to Speer, Hitler was convinced that had Islam taken root in central Europe at this time, the Germanic people would have become the "heirs of that religion" with Islam being "perfectly suited to the Germanic temperament". Hitler said that while the Arabs, on account of their "racial inferiority", would have been unable to handle the harsh climate and conditions of the region, and that instead the Islamized Germans would have "stood at the head of this Mohammedan Empire". A "religion that believed in spreading the faith by the sword and in subjugating all nations to that faith"."

And I condensed it to "According to Speer, Hitler believed that if Islam had taken root in central Europe, the Germanic people would have become the "heirs of that religion" and would have "stood at the head of this Mohammedan Empire" as Islam, according to him suited the Germanic temperament." so as not to rely on direct quotes because of the contradictory nature of so many of Hitler's words and actions.

Also there is a revert war going on this issue. Can you check it 182.183.20.126 (talk) 02:54, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Your changes are unnecessary. In your first edit you made no mention of the reliability of Speer, nor did you in your subsequent edits, up until the last one. Speer has been cited on that particular article since the very beginning. You don't seem to have a problem with any other of the Speer quotes on the article apart from the specific ones regarding Islam. So it's quite evident that you don't have any problem with the reliability of Speer, your problem lies within what he says in those specific quotes.

Hitler's views on Islam can be found in a multitude of other sources. I would be more than happy to post some of them on the article for you in addition to the Speer quotes.

Hitler thought and strongly believed that if Germans had adopted Islam, then they might have fared well in world history and went on to achieve more in history. This thought process of Hitler is expressed in 'Adolf Hitlers Monologe im Führerhauptquartier 1941-1944'. Here is the quote from 'Monologe im Führerhauptquartier 1941-1944': "Hätte bei Poitiers nicht Karl Martell gesiegt: Haben wir schon die jüdische Welt auf uns genommen - das Christentum ist so etwas Fades, so hätten wir viel eher noch den Mohammedanismus übernommen, diese Lehre der Belohnung des Heldentums: Der Kämpfer allein hat den siebenten Himmel! Die Germanen hätten die Welt damit erobert, nur durch das Christentum sind wir davon abgehalten worden." (Werwolf 28. 8. 1942, mittags H/Wa.)

Translation: "Had it not been for Karl Martell to triumph at Poitiers: If we had already taken on the Jewish world - Christianity is so bland-we would have adopted Mohammedanism much sooner, this doctrine of the reward of heroism: the fighter alone has the seventh heaven ! the Teutons would have conquered the world with it, we were only kept from it by Christianity."

This particular thought of Hitler is registered in numerous independent sources, the first I will cite is Albert Speer's memoir 'Inside the Third Reich.'

Here is the quote from Albert Speer's memoir: "Had the Arabs won this battle, the world would be Mohammedan today. For theirs was a religion that believed in spreading the faith by the sword and subjugating all nations to that faith. The Germanic peoples would have become heirs to that religion. Such a creed was perfectly suited to the Germanic temperament. Hitler said that the conquering Arabs, because of their racial inferiority, would in the long run have been unable to contend with the harsher climate and conditions of the country. They could not have kept down the more vigorous natives so that ultimately not Arabs but Islamized Germans could have stood at the head of this Mohammedan Empire." Albert Speer, Inside The Third Reich.

"You see, it's been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn't we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness" Adolf Hitler, Inside The Third Reich, Albert Speer

Another source where the same thought of Hitler is registered is Walter Hewel Diaries, where Hewel records Hitler saying "Wenn wir Mohammedaner geworden wären, würden wir heute die Welt besitzen." (8. Juni 1941 Sonntag. Berghof.)

http://www.fpp.co.uk/Hitler/Hewel/Tgb_1941.html

Translation of the above quote from Walther Hewel Diaries: "If we had become Mohammedans, we would own the world today."

Another independent source that corroborates this particular thought of Hitler is Edmund Glaise von Horstenau. The below passage is reproduced from the book 'Islam and Nazi Germany's War, David Motadel'

"After discussing the Muslim SS division in the Balkans with Himmler and Hitler in Berlin in February 1943, Edmund Glaise von Horstenau noted that Himmler had expressed his disdain for Christianity while explaining that he found Islam 'very admirable.' Hitler had made a similar remark. A few months later, according to Horstenau, Himmler brought up the subject again: 'We also spoke about the Muslim question. He came again to speak about the heroic character of the Mohammedan religion while expressing his disdain for Christianity, and especially Catholicism.'" (Ein General im Zwielicht, ed. Broucek, vol. 3, 189-190 (February 1943), quotations on 189..,322 (November 1943).

Another source is Eva Braun's sister, Ilse: "After the war, Eva Braun's sister, Ilse, remembered that Hitler had often discussed the Islamic religion with her and Eva." (Islam and Nazi Germany's War, David Motadel, Citation: Ilse Braun made this comment in a conversation with Werner Maser in May 1971, see Werner Maser, Adolf Hitler: Legende-Mythos-Wirklichkeit (Cologne, 1971), 475.)

Another source is from Hermann Neubacher: "In any case, Hitler was thoroughly fascinated by this historical speculation. Hermann Neubacher, special representative of the Foreign Office for the Balkans, also noted in his autobiography that "Hitler showed great sympathy for Islam and that he was convinced that "if the Germans had become Muslims, they would have achieved more in history." According to Neubacher, Hitler had further described Islam, in a conversation, as a "religion of men" (Männerreligion)." (Islam and Nazi Germany's War, David Motadel, Citation: Hermann Neubacher, Sonderauftrag Südost 1940- 1945: Bericht eines fl iegenden Diplomaten, (Göttingen, 1956), 33.)

Another independent source is Christa Schroeder's memoir 'He Was My Chief: The Memoirs of Adolf Hitler's Secretary': "Hitler found himself in agreement with many aspects of Islam, in particular, the ban on drinking and eating the flesh of swine, and the practice of periodic fasting." (Christa Schroeder's 'He Was My Chief: The Memoirs of Adolf Hitler's Secretary.)

Do I have to go on?

Ithinkusergoeshere (talk) 08:48, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Much of what you said above has has already been covered in the article. My edit streamlined the content while retaining the essence of Hitler's views on Islam, as reported by Albert Speer. Those WP:Undue direct quotes are not adding anything substantial.

Also streamlining a piece of quote does not merit that every other also needs the same treatment, although it definitely could use some. I'll leave that to another editor. 182.183.20.126 (talk) 10:05, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

On an important note, the excluded quote redundantly echoes Hitler's admiration for the militaristic aspects of Islam and its forceful expansion themes already addressed in preceding sections of the content. Therefore, the condensed content I proposed can be entirely omitted, as it is essentially repetition. 182.183.20.126 (talk) 10:39, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello, both. I think this disagreement would be better handled by further discussion on Talk:Religious views of Adolf Hitler than by me intervening. It's a little unfortunate that only the two of you are discussing on talk so far, but then that situation is perfectly suited to using the lightweight dispute resolution Wikipedia:Third opinion. Please look it up and see what you think, both of you. It's not complicated or time-consuming like WP:RFC or WP:DRN. And perhaps my stalkers would like to take a look? Bishonen | tålk 11:55, 27 November 2023 (UTC).

Question

Hi, I have to go back into hospital for surgery again and didn't want to log in on their wifi with my account. Can I do minor editing from the ip or should I just not bother? Editing might help keep me sane for a few days after whilst I'm stuck with snorers, farters and grunters (of which I am one of course). Thanks in advance! Knitsey (talk) 22:52, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Knitsey. Sorry to hear you'll be among the snorers and farters; hope the surgery goes smoothly. I wouldn't recommend editing from your IP. Perhaps you could create a sock an alternative account, with its own password, for use specifically in potentially unsafe environments? People often do that. Example: User:Floquensock. Bishonen | tålk 23:06, 28 November 2023 (UTC).

Thank you, that's not a bad idea! If I do create one, do I just post details from this account to the new account to confirm it's me and not an impersonator? Knitsey (talk) 23:09, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

You can do what Floquenbeam did; he posted a message signed by himself on the sock's userpage, saying it was his. Simpler. Bishonen | tålk 23:15, 28 November 2023 (UTC).

Lovely, thank you. Knitsey (talk) 23:33, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

No Nazis

I'm still around in the background, but less than you. I kinda took over WP:NONAZIS after Mpants. If you and sympathetic talk page watchers could look after it, I'd appreciate it. I'm somewhat depressed that people don't understand that the context was that we had people who thought the extermination of non-European ethnicities was a good thing here and that there were people at ANI defending not blocking them for that fact alone. NONAZIS effectively decimated that argument, and I take issue with some of the recent comments at the MfD and talk page that don't understand it's value. Feel free to email as always, I'm around there :) TonyBallioni (talk) 07:51, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Tony, thanks for believing in me and my talkpage stalkers; we'll do our best. Glad you're still around! Bishonen | tålk 09:11, 3 December 2023 (UTC).

December songs

story · music

I'm glad that you two are around! I mentioned "new era" a few times recently, - we sang great music by a certain Mozart recently. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:04, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Today, I managed to get the pics to snow (on 28 Nov), and heard a lovely concert, after listening to a miracle of meditative dreaming on 6 December (or just click on music). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:52, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

My story today is about Michael Robinson, - it's an honour to have known him. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:43, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

New pic, cake (home-baked but not by me) before a dream of a concert --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:49, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Hacked?

Have you been hacked, or how is it that you removed categorization of e.g. Carl Johan Bernadotte as a son of his British mother? Just askin'. SergeWoodzing (talk) 00:34, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

What a courteous way of asking, SergeWoodzing. But you're right, I got some of the relationships wrong. Mind you, I find the whole category Swedish people of British descent ridiculous, especially as applied to royalty. I wonder what this IP was thinking? There are presumably several British ancestors back in Carl Gustaf's family tree — bound to be, the way royalty typically marries internationally — but why should an encyclopedia care? I'm thinking of proposing the category for deletion, along with a few others. Bishonen | tålk 13:58, 6 December 2023 (UTC).

Thank you! That would be just fine by me. Best wishes, --SergeWoodzing (talk) 12:04, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

There has been quite a discussion at Swedish Americans about who they might be, i.e. how many generations could tell. One twit there insisted that if one calls oneself a German American, that's what one is. Oh, and then of course we have consensus to deal with, not to mention frequency. What would you suggest. friggzample, to try to get an article like Hedwig of Holstein renamed with the woman's actual name? One of the worst consensus freak-outs on enWP. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 12:09, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

Newcomer homepage

Hi Bishonen. I noticed your recent edit to 84Swagahh's Talk page (the editor has now been banned as a sock). You said you didn't know what a "homepage" is in relation to Wikipedia. For future reference, all new accounts get homepages (actually tabs visible when they look at their UserPage or own TalkPage) as a default. You can activate this growth team feature using the checkbox at the foot of Special:Preferences if you want to see what it does. In that respect, 84Swagahh was not being devious. Regards. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:58, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. I was thrown off by the absence of any edits by 84Swagahh to anything that might be called a homepage, but now I understand. Bishonen | tålk 13:16, 7 December 2023 (UTC).

PS, I did activate it to see, and was immediately assigned a mentor! Bishonen | tålk 13:21, 7 December 2023 (UTC).

That happened to me when I enabled the newcomer homepage to get an understanding of the experience. Mentors are easy to unassign, but it would be nice if the software checked for tenure before automatically assigning a mentor. Folly Mox (talk) 13:36, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

I signed up to be a mentor when the scheme started but the vast majority of my mentees never contact me and about 60% of those who do never edit again! It usually turns out that the only reason they signed up was to create an autobiography. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:58, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, Growth research showed 28% of new accounts come here to start a new article, but the sample was drawn from Korean and Czech wikipedias (or something; typing in haste). I wonder if the percentage on en.wp is higher, and also that the percentage of contact from people trying to start articles on non-notable living people is higher than from those who create an account to do something helpful instead.

My own first choice for amelioration is a notice at Special:CreateAccount that says something like Wikipedia is not for brand building. If you are creating an account to write about yourself, your business, or someone you know, you will experience frustration. Folly Mox (talk) 14:21, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

Like, it's an easy mistake to make, but people who come here to build their brand are wasting their own time as much as ours, and it's to everyone's benefit to correct their misconception and get them through and out of the editing ecosystem as quickly as possible rather than naively assuming they will convert to constructive editors eventually. Folly Mox (talk) 14:27, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

I completely agree, Folly Mox. Sometimes I feel bad about blocking them — this pleasant fellow this morning, for example — but to keep him hanging around would surely not be doing him a favour. I thought it obvious that he came here for one thing only, and he has kind of corroborated that by not bothering to appeal. What do you think, Deepfriedokra? Bishonen | tålk 16:54, 7 December 2023 (UTC).

Oh, the ping for User:Deepfriedokra prolly didn't work; doing over. Bishonen | tålk 17:01, 7 December 2023 (UTC).

New users here for self branding are both the bane of my existence and my raison d'etre. I love/hate the lament, "I created a Wikipedia profile to get a panel on Google." On the one hand, I think forewarning these troubled souls would ease the Weltschmerz of the Zeitgeist. On the other, es gibt gern shadenfreude when they find out the hard way. On the Gripping Hand, I don't think we could push through the needed changes, even though they would do much to lessen the work place toxicity. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 17:32, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

Ah, a whole Leiden des jungen Fritters! Bishonen | tålk 21:45, 7 December 2023 (UTC).

Holiday Greetings

Peace is a state of balance and understanding in yourself and between others, where respect is gained by the acceptance of differences, tolerance persists, conflicts are resolved through dialog, people's rights are respected and their voices are heard, and everyone is at their highest point of serenity without social tension. Happy Holidays to you and yours. I couldn't help but notice the hot air balloon image on your user page. "I'm not sayin'...I'm just sayin". You might wanna rethink that! ―Buster7 ☎

• Buster7, doves, or, well, homing pigeons, were released from that very (hydrogen, not hot air) balloon,[30] you know, so it all kind of fits! Bishonen | tålk 16:58, 8 December 2023 (UTC).

Hey.... thanks for being here Bish, Doug, RP, Bbb23, Drmies, Abe

Hi Bishonen, I haven't come here today for any help (admin intervention), but only want to thank you all for the great work you all have been doing as admins! From the core of my heart, I would like to thank you, Doug Weller, RegentsPark, Bbb23, Drmies and Abecedare! Needless to mention, I badly miss Abecedare apart from being concerned about them! Thank you all, once again. Ekdalian (talk) 13:15, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks very much, Ekdalian. I miss Abecedare too — there's nobody better to guide me as I stumble my way through the WP:ARBIPA area — but they tend to be busy IRL and to therefore have to take frequent breaks, long and short. I wouldn't start to be concerned yet. Bishonen | tålk 13:44, 9 December 2023 (UTC).

@Ekdalian thanks, much appreciated. I too miss Abe, but I also think he's just on a break. Doug Weller talk 08:55, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

Ekdalian, thanks--best wishes to you too. Drmies (talk) 17:53, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

Comment

If you have any spare time: an IP editor has been fringe editing on conversion therapy Special:Contributions/216.49.128.107 and leaving uncivil comments, e.g: [31] Zenomonoz (talk) 22:26, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Taken care of by ScottishFinnishRadish, I see. Yawn, the advantage of skiving off and letting somebody else do the work. Bishonen | tålk 09:21, 10 December 2023 (UTC).

Really??

Hmm. Now who can it be that I'm thinking of who doesn't come anywhere remotely near to following this principle? 🤔 JBW (talk) 21:23, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

You think I don't blush when I type it? Bishonen | tålk 22:36, 10 December 2023 (UTC).

Martin T. Buell

Hello again, it is me, I must be getting annoying by now, but...Apparently the subject of this article, Martin T. Buell, has been dead since March of this year, and his middle name is also Thomas. I was going to add this to the article, but I can't seem to find any reliable sources, or at least identify any, as I don't have much expertise or experience in the field of biographies on Wikipedia. I'm not sure if you do either, but any help or advice you could give would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. AllTheUsernamesAreInUse (talk) 06:16, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

You're always welcome here, AllTheUsernamesAreInUse. Of course it's peculiarly important that a person's death is confirmed by reliable sources, but I would have thought the obituaries found by Google would qualify. This one, for instance. Or use two of them, for extra security. If the person wasn't famous enough for an obit in the NYT, what're you gonna do? Whether an outlet is reliable depends on what kind of information it's used for, and of course the local obits aren't going to have the dates or the middle name wrong. That's my thought, but maybe a talkpage stalker knows better? Bishonen | tålk 08:33, 14 December 2023 (UTC).

(talk page stalker) I'd prefer this obituary; obits are regularly sourced to worse, sometimes even funeral home franchises (not recommended). As an aside, I'm not sure if Mossman 2018 would contribute to notability, but it has some info on the subject and could probably be used to source some fresh statements for the article if it's not all trivia / cruft / advert (haven't checked closely). Folly Mox (talk) 13:04, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, Folly. Bishonen | tålk 13:08, 14 December 2023 (UTC).

Disruptive?

Hi Bishonen. I've had disagreements with an editor on Lex Fridman(a man associated with Andrew Huberman) where Uhhhum seems to engage in sort of low level white washing. They user continually adjusts the article to move critique of Fridman's Tesla study into a different section at the bottom of the article, which removes the context and the chronological flow of the article. E.g. here they move it back to the bottom. There was an earlier discussion over this here on the talk page. They just posted a large message here, casting aspersions at myself and another editor, claiming "Before you, a user named @ancientwalrus was the instrumental editor in the push back against the editors who'd come to this page expressing concerns over the balance of the article", and dropping hints of their whitewashing " How is it helpful to a reader to know that Missy Cummings opinion of the study is that it's "Deeply flawed"? How does that add value to a reader's understanding of Fridman's career, particularly his career at MIT? among others. They also just posted this comment claiming that the article relies too heavily on Business Insider report, an argument they brought up earlier in the talk page archives.

Here, here and here they remove content from an RS as "irrelevant". Also they have persistently posted on the talk page e.g. here arguing that the editors are biased. I have tried to help this editor understand the editing guidelines but they do seem far too protective of this page. If you have some free time to take a look, I'd appreciate it. Zenomonoz (talk) 21:46, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Race and intelligence IP you warned

Heya Bish. You warned 173.246.210.93 a couple of weeks ago about outing and harassment. They've recently been edit warring at Talk:Charles Murray (political scientist) to repost a comment that continues (via a dump of linked diffs) their harassment of the editor they tried to out. I hope the trollish tone of the comment is clear, and if isn't, I can try and explain why I see it the way I do. The race and intelligence topic area has a gallery of dedicated sockmaster, and it's likely this is one of them. Checking with you since you're at least somewhat aware of the background and because I'd rather not take a case that has involved attempted outing—and which might lead to more—to one of the more public noticeboards. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 03:22, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, FFF. I think I have enough to give them a holiday. Done. Bishonen | tålk 09:51, 18 December 2023 (UTC).

Obliged. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 13:03, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!

	A very happy Christmas and New Year to you!
	Have a great Christmas, and may 2024 bring you joy, happiness – and no trolls, vandals or visits from Krampus! Cheers SchroCat (talk) 09:35, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, Schro, same to you! Bishonen | tålk 09:56, 18 December 2023 (UTC).

Happy annoying days and all that

Well, they're not that pretty, they're not even that amazing, but the Brunsli are the only Christmas cookies I get from my mother (because they're the only vegan ones she makes) So ... Happy Holidays, dearest Bishonen, from your grinchy Weihnachtsmuffel Sluzzelin

Sluzzelin talk 01:01, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

It's the Grinch! Good friend! [Darwinbish tastes the Brunsli, a little suspiciously. Hmmf. Not bad. Eats them all.] Have some crumbs, Bishonen! darwin bish 07:44, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Ha ha ha, there are people (including some loved ones) who consider gobbling up Christmas cookies before Dec 24 a grave breach of local tradition! I adore that subversive spirit, of course, yet Bishonen still deserves her own cookie. A rainbow fish sugar cookie! ---Sluzzelin talk 22:34, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Another cookie! Good! Or...hmm... is that Fish? Looks a lot like him! [Even Darwinbish hesitates to gobble up her brother.] darwin bish 08:15, 22 December 2023 (UTC).