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Glossary

  • Blurbs are one-sentence summaries of the news story.
    • Altblurbs, labelled alt1, alt2, etc., are alternative suggestions to cover the same story.
    • A target article, bolded in text, is the focus of the story. Each blurb must have at least one such article, but you may also link non-target articles.
  • Articles in the Ongoing line describe events getting continuous coverage.
  • The Recent deaths (RD) line includes any living thing whose death was recently announced. Consensus may decide to create a blurb for a recent death.

All articles linked in the ITN template must pass our standards of review. They should be up-to-date, demonstrate relevance via good sourcing and have at least an acceptable quality.

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  • Make sure the item you want to nominate has an article that meets our minimum requirements and contains reliable coverage of a current event you want to create a blurb about. We will not post about events described in an article that fails our quality standards.
  • Find the correct section below for the date of the event (not the date nominated). Do not add sections for new dates manually - a bot does that for us each day at midnight (UTC).
  • Create a level 4 header with the article name (==== Your article here ====). Add (RD) or (Ongoing) if appropriate.
Then paste the {{ITN candidate}} template with its parameters and fill them in. The news source should be reliable, support your nomination and be in the article. Write your blurb in simple present tense. Below the template, briefly explain why we should post that event. After that, save your edit. Your nomination is ready!
  • You may add {{ITN note}} to the target article's talk page to let editors know about your nomination.

The better your article's quality, the better it covers the event and the wider its perceived significance (see WP:ITNSIGNIF for details), the better your chances of getting the blurb posted.

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Headers

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    • Sometimes, editors ask to retract an already-posted nomination because of a fundamental error or because consensus changed. If you feel the community supports this, remove the item and mark the item as (Pulled).

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Format your comment to contain "support" or "oppose", and include a rationale for your choice. In particular, address the notability of the event, the quality of the article, and whether it has been updated.

Please do...

  1. Pick an older item to review near the bottom of this page, before the eligibility runs out and the item scrolls off the page and gets abandoned in the archive, unused and forgotten.
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  3. Tell about problems in articles if you see them. Be bold and fix them yourself if you know how, or tell others if it's not possible.

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  1. Add simple "support!" or "oppose!" votes without including your reasons. Similarly, curt replies such as "who?", "meh", or "duh!" are not helpful. A vote without reasoning means little for us, please elaborate yourself.
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  3. Accuse other editors of supporting, opposing or nominating due to a personal bias (such as ethnocentrism). We at ITN do not handle conflicts of interest.
  4. Comment on a story without first reading the relevant article(s).
  5. Oppose a recurring item here because you disagree with the recurring items criteria. Discuss them here.
  6. Use ITN as a forum for your own political or personal beliefs. Such comments are irrelevant to the outcome and are potentially disruptive.

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October 22

Armed conflicts and attacks

Arts and culture

Business and economics
  • A former Goldman Sachs employee blows the whistle on the investment bank having routinely taken advantage of charities and pension funds to increase its profits. (The Guardian)
  • The chairman of the U.S. central bank, the Federal Reserve, likely will not stand for re-election to that post. Ben Bernanke has reportedly told friends he will leave when his term ends in January 2014 regardless of who wins the Presidential election campaign. (New York Times)

International relations

Law and crime

Politics and elections
  • Okinawa's legislative assembly passes a resolution expressing "overwhelming indignation" at the alleged rape of a Japanese woman by two U.S. soldiers, the latest of 5,747 crimes on record allegedly involving U.S. personnel over the past 40 years, and condemns the worsening criminal activity of foreign troops on the island. (Al Jazeera)

Sport

2012 Azana Spa shootings

Article: 2012 Azana Spa shootings (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Four people, including the gunman, are killed in a spree shooting at a spa salon in Wisconsin, U.S. (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

Article updated
 Iowafromiowa (talk) 10:17, 22 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

October 21

Armed conflicts and attacks
  • 2012 Beirut bombing: Lebanese security forces fire shots into the air and tear gas at crowds, as protesters attempt to breach government offices of prime minister Mikati in response to a car bomb that killed intelligence chief Wissam al-Hassan. (Jerusalem Post)
  • Hundreds of protesters in Libya storm the grounds of the country's parliament building to protest the ongoing siege in Bani Walid. (Reuters)
  • Police fire tear gas and stun grenades at an anti-government protest in Kuwait; protesters were demonstrating against changes to voting laws. (Al Jazeera)
  • A firefight in Guinea-Bissau kills six people. (BBC)
  • Syrian civil war: Car bombs explode in predominately Christian neighborhoods in Damascus and Aleppo, killing at least 13, as talks between the Assad and U.N. peace envoy Lakhdar Brahimi continue. (Wall Street Journal)

Arts and culture

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Law and crime

McGovern + Chopra + two recent deaths

Articles: Fiorenzo Magni (talk · history · tag) and E. Donnall Thomas (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Recent deaths: Yash Chopra, George McGovern, E. Donnall Thomas, Fiorenzo Magni (Post)
News source(s): Chopra, McGovern, Thomas, Magni.
Credits:

Both articles need updating
Nominator's comments: The recent deaths ticker has already been passed in an RfC. This is not the place to discuss it. If you wish to protest its existence, please start a new discussion on the talk page. The four people I have chosen are of varying notability, and this nomination is not only for the purpose of a posting, but also to gauge the threshold of notability people have for recent death nominations. If Chopra and/or McGovern are posted, they are ineligible for the ticker. The blurb is in chronological order by day, but not time, like standard blurbs. Additionally, the ticker will not be italicized like shown in the nom; that is an automatic function of the nomination template. The sources section is not working, so I will add them here: Chopra, McGovern, Thomas, Magni. --Bzweebl (talkcontribs) 22:17, 21 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Outright oppose. This implies Chopra and the presidential nominee are in the same league, obviously that is not the case. Fairer to post Chopra sepratately. If lesser people are to be included like that then that is a different matter. --86.40.100.31 (talk) 22:27, 21 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • On a procedural note, I suggest we adopt Ticker or RD only or something similar as a type of !vote, indeed it looks like people are starting to do this already. In some cases items could be added to the ticker on the basis of an initial consensus and then "promoted" to a main blurb if sufficient consensus formed for that. Indeed, Doktorbuk, these current cases could be considered like that as well (it's just that we have to start with several rather than adding one-by-one so there's no easy way of doing that). All in all it'll probably take a few weeks to iron out how best to do this however. LukeSurl t c 22:27, 21 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Chopra Inadequate update. Other than being prolific, no indication he was significantly influential in the field.
  • Oppose McGovern A presidential candidate does not satisfy ITN/DC. Otherwise, a respected but not overly influential politician.
  • Oppose Thomas no update at all, article is practically a stub.
  • Oppose Magni inadequate update. Retired 50 years. Even less impact on society that McGovern.
  • Comment- I would like to address some misconceptions that have been brought up. This is not a replacement for the McGovern and Chopra nominations. Those are still eligible for a standard posting. Additionally, as IP98 correctly realized, this is not a full package, and you can support/oppose some or support/oppose all as long as you have explanations for each. Finally, ITN/DC is not being applied to this. That is strictly a ruleset for standard blurb postings. Bzweebl (talkcontribs) 22:48, 21 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Wait wut, what's with the unsigned votes above? And why is there confusion over who nominated it!? --Τασουλα (talk) 23:52, 21 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The confusion over who nominated was temporary, and there are no unsigned votes. IP98 signed those four comments at the end. Bzweebl (talkcontribs) 02:28, 22 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I do not not accept the validity of the "passing" of the discussion on recent deaths. The idea that an old discussion can be modified while still in archives to say what you want and then cited in support of your case is frankly ridiculous. It seems people have taking to riding roughshod over policy and procedure in favour of bully boy tactics. I do not accept that and I will be disputing this "decision". Since Eraserhead effectively reopened the discussion by editing it in archives he may in no way be considered uninvolved. Crispmuncher (talk) 00:08, 22 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I can't see that Eraserhead added any comments to the discussion other than the closing rationale so challenging that he was 'uninvolved' seems to be a slight technicality at best. However, I will oppose the nomination as proposed and agree that the recent deaths tickers should be set up before we decide on which names to add; and we should not 'rush' to add any particular deaths. I'm not opposed to any of the nominated deaths individually.--Johnsemlak (talk) 01:39, 22 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Eraserhead was definitely uninvolved. I found him at the "request for uninvolved admin closures" board. This is not a case of "an old discussion can be modified while still in archives to say what you want" because Eraserhead never had anything to do with the discussion. See the talk page for more details. Bzweebl (talkcontribs) 02:28, 22 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note to closing admin: LukeSurl and Speciate both supported McGovern for recent deaths in the thread below.--Chaser (talk) 01:59, 22 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Slightly off-topic comment: If the article on him was better, I'd say E. Donnall Thomas would be worth consideration for being posted on his own, because he performed the first performed the first bone marrow transplant and won a Nobel Prize for it (which means he's extremely notable and influential in his field). But two days have passed and the article is rather small. -- Scorpion0422 04:07, 22 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Interesting to see that I am the bugaboo of certain editors in this discussion--without my even having participated in it. That being said, I would have been opposed to McGovern as a full ITN nom, but am strongly in favor of him as a Recent Death nom. The other three have to stand on their own though. Perhaps a collective vote is not appropriate, since individual noms is what was promised in the RfC and arguments in favor of it, and opposition to the RfC was mostly due to a fear that the individual nom process would be bypassed. Support McGovern and Support Chopra for recent deaths--and suggest we set up separate threads for all noms. μηδείς (talk) 04:59, 22 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - There's a lot of WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT going on with regard to the Recent Deaths ticker. There's a clear consensus for it. Can we please implement it already? AlexTiefling (talk) 09:22, 22 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yash Chopra dies

Article: Yash Chopra (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Bollywood film-maker Yash Chopra dies from dengue fever in Mumbai. (Post)
News source(s): BollywoodLife BBC News
Credits:
Nominator's comments: With reference to the comments below, I accept that we will have to take a more 'legalistic' approach to the nomination than usual. I accept that it could be argued that a lack of English language sources dilutes claims of notability. In response I can only point editors towards the current media coverage and towards the links in our own article to help research the width and breadth of his career. --doktorb wordsdeeds 20:00, 21 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Came here to nominate this myself. Much more notable than McGovern. --86.40.100.31 (talk) 21:25, 21 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think this was said last time a Bollywood actor was nominated; because of language/cultural separation the vast majority of us here on en-wiki won't have heard of this man. We know that's not a reason to oppose, but neither can we write an argument in support either. There's a danger that there ends up being minimal discussion on this nomination. We can gather a bit from the article, but it would be really useful if the knowledgeable few could be particularly verbose in their arguments for the benefit of the rest of us. LukeSurl t c 21:56, 21 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well, to start with, the report at the top of BBC News Online link calls him "one of India's most influential film-makers", says that "over five decades, Chopra, dubbed the King of Romance, gave Bollywood some of its biggest blockbusters" and "his film studios Yash Raj Films helped establish some of Indian cinema's biggest names, including Amitabh Bachchan and Shah Rukh Khan." Prime Minister Singh has called him an "icon of Indian cinema." His death has left Bollywood "shattered", "shocked", "numb" and "heartbroken." link --86.40.100.31 (talk) 22:06, 21 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

George McGovern dies

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.


Article: George McGovern (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ U.S. Representative, U.S. Senator, and the Democratic Party presidential nominee in the 1972 presidential election George McGovern dies at age 90. (Post)
Note: Seb az86556 made the nomination, but deleted it after just one oppose. As deletion of one's own nomination has been declared unacceptable in the past (I tried to defend the right to retract a nomination on a previous occasion, but consensus was against me), I undid his self-deletion. He subsequently changed the template to present me as the nominator, a title I reject. I am Neutral as to the proposal: I has received TV news coverage here (UK), but his historical role is very much a footnote. Kevin McE (talk) 17:27, 21 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I am not the nominator. Do not use my name here. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 18:13, 21 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Calm down. You were the original nominator, yes, but you removed it with this: [1] ...really? --Τασουλα (talk) 18:23, 21 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Recent Deaths Ticker only. Speciate (talk) 21:01, 21 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

[Posted] Canonization of new saints

Article: List of canonizations (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Pope Benedict XVI canonizes seven new saints at a ceremony held in Saint Peter's Square. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Pope Benedict XVI canonizes seven new saints, including Kateri Tekakwitha, the first Native American to be canonized.
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Every canonization is notable enough and proves to be a fine ITN material. --Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 12:07, 21 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Kindly keep your political opinion out of this discussion. AlexTiefling (talk) 09:24, 22 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Frankel

Frankel winning at Doncaster in September 2010.
Article: Frankel (horse) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Frankel, the world's top-rated racehorse, retires having never been beaten. (Post)
News source(s): Irish Times, BBC
Credits:
Article updated
Nominator's comments: Notable because of unbeaten record, world #1 and all-time top Timeform ranking. A suitable image is also available. --RA (talk) 09:23, 21 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I tend to disagree with any comparison with humans, even human athletes. The point I find most notable about this horse is his success over such a short career. I suspect many others think the same way. It even suggests that horse-racing is taking a very different direction these days to the one it had even 10 years ago. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:06, 21 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Clarification The very highest rated flat racehorses retire at either 3 or 4 years for a lucrative stud career. It is rare for an entire horse to progress in terms of speed and stamina whereas a gelded horse can have greater longevity. A further point about Classic and Group 1 winners is that they have enormous earnings potential as stallions, in Frankel's case estimated at £100m. There also seems to be a misunderstanding about ratings. He is recognised by all bar the British Horseracing Authority as the highest ranked horse EVER in history. BHA had him rated 1pt lower before his final race. Leaky Caldron 18:42, 21 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks LC, that is very clear. But, if BHA didn't agree, is it still fair to call him the "world's top-rated racehorse"? Martinevans123 (talk) 19:00, 21 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Based on the horses he beat yesterday the BHA may give a higher rating this week. There is an element of subjectivity in these things and different factors weighted by different handicappers, especially when comparing performance over many generations. Leaky Caldron 19:15, 21 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, retirement of a horse? Doesn't pass the laugh test. Speciate (talk) 21:05, 21 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I'm no expert, but the National is a steeplechase, and Frankel is a flat racer. AlexTiefling (talk) 09:34, 22 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The great myth about the Grand National is that it is considered by many to be the greatest race in the world. It is a spectacular race made notable through media and cinema coverage, but it does not equate to the best race for the best horses. Even within National Hunt racing, it rarely attracts the absolute top horses in that sphere although there are recent exceptions. It is a race for long distance staying chasers, 4 and a half miles. On the flat the optimum distance regarded as the greatest test are the so called middle distance races from 1 mile to 1 and a half. This is what bloodstock breeders aim for and where the Classic and highest prize money races throughout the world are targeted. Leaky Caldron 09:56, 22 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

October 20

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Disasters

International relations
  • The SV Estelle, a schooner attempting to breach the Israeli blockade of Gaza claiming to deliver humanitarian aid, is boarded by Israeli soldiers and diverted to the port of Ashdod by Israeli naval ships; Israel says no aid is found aboard. Passengers offer no resistance. (The Irish Times) (The Times of Israel)
  • Jewish-American linguist, philosopher and human rights campaigner Noam Chomsky visits Gaza for the first time and attends a seminar alongside Gazan thinkers and intellectuals. (Press TV)

Politics

October 19

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Arts and culture

Disasters and accidents
  • A tour bus went off the highway and crashed in northwest Arizona late Friday at around 8:00 PM PDT, killing the bus driver (who was believed to have suffered a medical incident), and leaving at least four of the passengers with serious injuries. About 45 other passengers were hurt less seriously, and some were not hospitalized. The bus was northbound on Highway 93 near Willow Beach, Arizona and the Nevada state line, southeast of Las Vegas. (NBC)

Law and crime

Politics and elections

[Posted] Royal wedding, Luxembourg

 --Tone 17:40, 20 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Wedding of the heir to the throne. We usually post those. There is no separate article but the basic update is there. --Tone 17:40, 20 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support - this is big news from a small country. The blurb should use the bride's maiden name, though. There's enough material on the Grand Duke's official website, the BBC, etc, for articles on both the bride and the event to be created, which I heartily recommend. I'm currently stuck in a hospital, but I'll gladly contribute when I'm out. AlexTiefling (talk) 20:36, 20 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] Beirut bombing

Article: Assassination of Wissam al-Hassan (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Four people, including Wissam al-Hassan, are killed and 110 are injured in a car bomb in Beirut, Lebanon (Post)
News source(s): CNN, TDS
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: Blurb is yet subject to change as full extent of damages is being assessed. Current estimate is 4 dead and at least 110 injured. --hydrox (talk) 01:11, 20 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Lincoln Alexander

Article: Lincoln Alexander (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Lincoln Alexander, Canada's first black Member of Parliament, dies at the age of 90. (Post)
News source(s): CBC News Toronto Star CTV News The Globe and Mail
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: His election as MP was a watershed moment for Canadian multiculturalism. He's also the first black person to hold a viceregal position in Canada (as Lieutenant Governor of Ontario). —Bloom6132 (talk) 15:42, 14 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Under Wikipedia:ITN/DC#Deaths, Alexander more than satisfies criteria #1 and 2. He was in a high-ranking office of power (a cabinet minister [Minister of Labour] and the 24th Lieutenant Governor of Ontario) and had a significant contribution/impact on the country/region (his election as MP and appointment as LG, both unprecedented firsts in Canada, led to more acceptance and tolerance of black people in Canada). He was also widely regarded as a very important figure in his or her field (reasons stated above; also, in his profession as a lawyer, he was both a QC and part of the Queen's Privy Council for Canada). —Bloom6132 (talk) 02:03, 20 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think a secretary of labour, or a lieutenant governor really qualifies as a 'high ranking position of power'. I don't know if he's widely regarded as a very important person in his field, but I'd like to see some sources confirming he was. I think we'd need multiple reliable sources saying 'one of the most important MPs', or 'considered by many to be one of the most significant MPs' etc. The fact that he was the first black Canadian MP seems to be where the real significance is.--Johnsemlak (talk) 04:17, 20 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Also I think the death section needs a bit more expansion. Normally the update should contain more than details about his death and funeral.--Johnsemlak (talk) 04:26, 20 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
He held those political offices over 20 years ago. Neither are 'high ranking' in the way we usually interpret those guidelines, which for a country the size of Canada would be Prime Minister or head of state (were it to ever become a republic). As far as I can tell from the article and nomination, Alexander did not have a great lasting impact on his country or region (in the sense of a supernational area, not subnational). There are many hundreds of QCs and Privy Counsellors, so that doesn't mean much either. Sorry, I'm still opposed. Modest Genius talk 10:23, 20 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
He wasn't in a high-ranking office at the time of his death, he resigned a long time before. It would be ITN if an incumbent officeholder died. --RJFF (talk) 10:27, 20 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It never made it into policy. Ergo it is not policy. There were unanswered objections to the proposal. Crispmuncher (talk) 12:07, 21 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It was closed, until you decided to undo it. Hot Stop (Edits) 14:15, 21 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, it was closed and archived, and then Eraserhead decided to modify the archive to make it say something other than it had, in the apparent hope no-one noticed it. There was a discussion on adjusting the bot only recently and its behaviour reflects consensus. At the very least this kind of imposition needs current debate to reflect current consensus, not citing an old failed proposal as evidence to enact something now. I will re-revert now and any further attempts to re-write history will go straight to AN/I. Crispmuncher (talk) 14:38, 21 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

October 18

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Business and economy
  • American weekly news magazine Newsweek announces it will cease print publication on December 31 and will move to an online-only format. (CNN)
  • Trading of Google stock on NASDAQ is temporarily suspended after it drops 9% following an inadvertent early release of its quarterly report showing a 20% decline in profits. (BBC) (Bloomberg)

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Law and Crime

Benue killings

Article: Benue State (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ 30 people are killed in religious violence in Benue State (Post)
News source(s): http://www.seattlepi.com/news/world/article/30-people-killed-in-central-Nigeria-village-attack-3956452.php
Credits:

Article needs updating
Nominator's comments: Saw this quickly and not sure of the notability of this. --Bzweebl (talkcontribs) 21:28, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

October 17

Armed conflicts and attacks

Law and crime

Politics and Elections

Science and Technology

Sport

[Posted] Alpha Centauri has a planet

Article: Alpha Centauri Bb (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Planet found around our nearrest neighbour Alpha Centauri Bb. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ESO announces the discovery of an Earth-sized planet in the Alpha Centauri system, the stellar system closest to Earth.
News source(s): [2]
Credits:

Article updated
 Typesometext (talk) 09:52, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutral - This is much more exciting exoplanet news than the two mentioned below. But I'd still like to wait and see how enthusiastically this is taken up by non-specialist media. I've also added an altblurb which distinguishes planet, star and system correctly. AlexTiefling (talk) 10:39, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutral. Scientifically unsurprising, but required impressive precision. Bound to make a splash with the public, given that it's a really easy star to point out by eye. Nice outreach topic, but of minor scientific interest beyond the instrumentation aspects. I don't really mind if this does or doesn't get posted, but the article needs some work first (one-paragraph stub at present). Modest Genius talk 11:50, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support the closest new world is a big deal, newspaper articles quote normally reserved astronomers as saying "Wow." Hekerui (talk) 11:52, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Since when were astronomers 'normally reserved' when talking to the media? Modest Genius talk 11:58, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong support - closest possible extrasolar planet, and Earth-sized to boot; smallest planet ever discovered by radial velocity; now also covered by mainstream media (NY Times and many others) after embargo has been lifted. Planet is close enough that it could technically be visited by a (multi-decade) spacecraft [3]. (The blurb should technically say "announced" instead of "found" since it's not yet independently confirmed. But there seems to be no serious doubt on the results.) --Roentgenium111 (talk) 14:16, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Your first point is wrong - Proxima Centauri is closer and might have one or more planets. Plus there's always the possibility of there being even closer rogue planets. Modest Genius talk 18:26, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
51cm per second. The actual displacement is much larger. Still incredibly impressive though! Modest Genius talk 21:59, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-post Support. Given that the discovery of exoplanets is now routine, posting in ITN requires something extra. In this case, proximity and survival in a trinary system are the kickers. Next, a planet with water in the habitable zone. Speciate (talk) 19:24, 19 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

October 16

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Disasters and accidents
  • A 4.0-magnitude (originally, 4.6) earthquake strikes Hollis Center, Maine, roughly 20 miles west of Portland, Maine, the state's largest city. At 3.1 miles deep, it is a shallow earthquake, felt in Maine, southwestern Connecticut, and eastern New York state. There were reports of very minor damage and cellular phone outages, but no serious property damage, injuries, or deaths. (NBC)

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Sport

Picasso/Monet stolen

Article: Kunsthal (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Multiple artworks including those from Picasso, Matisse and Monet are stolen from Kunsthal museum in Rotterdam (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
 ---- Ashish-g55 17:43, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This is popping up all over. And considering the works stolen it seems fairly notable. Please change blurb if needed. The article to update will be that of the museum. -- Ashish-g55 17:43, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • The article requires significant expansion, more than just a one paragraph update. It needs to have several paragraphs of referenced prose. A fair bit of work, and it might be difficult if there aren't a lot of sources in English about the museum.--Johnsemlak (talk) 18:27, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Actually considering this museum is only there for temporary exhibitions perhpas this update may end up going elsewhere. any suggestions? -- Ashish-g55 18:42, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Is the heist itself worthy of an article?--Johnsemlak (talk) 18:45, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Well either way i updated the article as much as i could about the heist. add few refs. It may need a bit more work. -- Ashish-g55 19:09, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Info on this museum isnt easy to find since this seems to be the only major event. Its empty space for temporary exhibitions so i just added another line in there mentioning some of the recent artists that were featured. -- Ashish-g55 22:02, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I'd support this but the article is two stubby right now (at just two paragraphs) for it to be marked ready. Hot Stop (Edits) 13:55, 20 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

PH 1

Article: Planet Hunters#Discoveries (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ An exoplanet in a four-star system is discovered (Post)
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: Initially, when reading the nomination below I was not impressed. However, when reading more about Planet Hunters 1, it is indeed a really unusual planet: until now only six planets are known to orbit two suns, and the fact that this has two more stars orbiting it is really unusual and will probably have repercussions on the planet formation theories; secondly, this planet is the first one to be discovered by a crown-sourcing project such as Planet Hunters. Nergaal (talk) 14:15, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yes i didnt read the comment but saw the nom and it looked awfully familier... lol -- Ashish-g55 17:23, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong oppose. a) this is a re-nomination of an item which is already under discussion below, which furthermore fails to address any of the existing opposition b) it hasn't been peer-reviewed yet, c) it's really not that big a deal in terms of formation theories, as the orbit is no less stable than various other circumbinary systems, and d) being discovered by crowd-sourcing is irrelevant. Modest Genius talk 17:59, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] 2012 Man Booker Prize

Article: 2012 Man Booker Prize (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Hilary Mantel wins the 2012 Man Booker Prize for her novel Bring Up the Bodies, becoming the first woman, and first Briton, to win the award twice (Post)
Credits:
Nominator's comments: The Booker will be announced today, and it's a recurring item, so shouldn't be a problem. I'm posting this to inform that, for the first time, I have written a rather extensive article on the current Booker Prize, so we won't have to link simply to the generic Man Booker Prize page. Lampman (talk) 22:30, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

October 15

Armed conflicts and attacks

Arts and culture

Business and economics

Disasters and accidents
  • Seven people are treated in hospital for injuries after a bus carrying 56 college students crashes and overturns near the English coastal town of Poole. (BBC)

International relations

Politics and elections

Transport
  • Virgin Trains is asked to continue running the rail franchise for UK's West Coast Main Line following the cancellation of a deal to award the contract to another company when errors were made in the way in which the process was conducted. (BBC)

New planets discovered

Articles: PH1 (talk · history · tag) and 55 Cancri e (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A planet with four suns and one twice the size of Earth made from diamonds are discovered (Post)
News source(s): http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-19950923 and http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/10/15/us-space-diamond-planet-idUKBRE89A0PU20121015
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Scientific curiosity of two planets, the kinds of which are unlike those we have discovered before. --doktorb wordsdeeds 16:05, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - I love exoplanets. I don't love repeated 'news' stories about them. 55 Cancri e is not a new discovery - I'm sure the existence of at least 5 planets in the 55Cnc system was known quite some time ago. The 'made from diamonds' claim is an exaggeration; it's made from a large amount of elemental carbon, some of which may be diamonds, but lots of which is likely to be graphite or amorphous carbon. Nothing particularly stands out about this announcement. AlexTiefling (talk) 16:32, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - While I think that this is a news-worthy story, I believe that the articles mentioned should have been created first, and then later nominated. --Droodkin (talk) 16:34, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - Exoplanet discoveries have become routine now. Also, impossible to assess an article's quality if it doesn't exist! LukeSurl t c 16:49, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. I'm an astronomer myself, and my immediate reaction is 'so what?'. Mildly interesting, but neither are particularly significant. In addition, the diamond one rests upon a huge number of rather shaky assumptions. Modest Genius talk 18:25, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • Note: 55 Cnc e did already exist, and is even a GA. The link was broken due to incorrect syntax, which I've fixed. No idea about the other one, which doesn't seem to follow the normal naming conventions. Modest Genius talk 18:26, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Here's a BBC article about the other one:[ http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-19950923] AlexTiefling (talk) 21:51, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Bloody hell, it's not even been published yet? Just 'submitted for publication'? Strong oppose on that basis. Modest Genius talk 11:53, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences

Article: Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Alvin E. Roth and Lloyd Shapley are awarded the Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences for 2012 (Post)
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: A further Nobel prize and one which concludes this year's run. --doktorb wordsdeeds 13:35, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support notability as per ITN/R. Usual comments about article readiness - I think both articles need at least a paragraph explaining exactly what the Prize was awarded for. As per the name, it's the "Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences, commonly referred to as the Nobel Prize in Economics". I'm happy with either, though I prefer the brevity of the latter over the precision of the former. LukeSurl t c 14:58, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong oppose. It is not a Nobel Prize as stipulated in the will of Alfred Nobel. It has only been awarded since the 1970s. It is not as important as the Nobel Peace Prize (and even the importance of the Nobel Peace Prize is eroded by giving every second one to warmongers and criminals). --86.40.103.33 (talk) 21:37, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
If you want to be taken seriously here please post comments with little less POV oozing from them -- Ashish-g55 22:06, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support It's a n official Nobel, regardless of Alfred's will. I suggest getting ready for the blurb on the Nobel won by The Onion.[4] – Muboshgu (talk) 21:44, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • It's not an "official Nobel". It has nothing to do with the Nobel Prizes, that is, the prizes established by the family named Nobel. It's as much a Nobel Prize as the "Alternative Nobel Prize", one of many prizes trying to use the prestige of Alfred Nobel's prizes. Nobel is the family name of a Swedish family and the only prizes that are "official Nobels" are obviously prizes established or at least approved by that family. The Nobel family explicitly forbade any use of their family name in connection with this prize. Mocctur (talk) 22:20, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
That's not a useful measure of the notability of this prize. 'Officialness' is, ultimately, irrelevant. The question is, will I see this in tomorrow's Financial Times? To which the answer is 'yes', unless it was it today's. (I didn't check, tbh.) AlexTiefling (talk) 22:26, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I strike the word "official". That the Nobel family forbids this clearly hasn't had any effect. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:28, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Scottish independence referendum 2014

Article: Scottish independence referendum 2014 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ United Kingdom Prime Minister David Cameron signs an agreement with First Minister of Scotland Alex Salmond to pave the way for an independence referendum in 2014 (Post)
News source(s): Daily Telegraph
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Constitutionally important for the United Kingdom, especially in the context of the Catalan independence movement --doktorb wordsdeeds 13:31, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Weak support: I can see the significance of this & and the amount of media coverage it has garnered in the UK right now, but as it's just the announcement of a deal we all knew was coming anyway, I can only lend a weak support. It's a support all the same, however. --Klak of Klak (talk) 14:21, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment being a non-Brit is can be hard to understand the significance here but it sure seems more important than a 'bureaucratic process' or a 'minor negotiation'. We now have a set date for a vote on Scottish independence, and given that it's two years away I think it's a bit long to wait for that result. But here's a question I have--will this referendum actually be a mechanism for Scotland to secede, or is this like a lot of similar referenda in places like Quebec where there's no clear picture as to what will happen if voters vote for independence?--Johnsemlak (talk) 20:27, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
We do not have a set date: it is to be sometime before the end of 2014, nothing more precise than that. Kevin McE (talk) 21:38, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
OK, that's true. But isn't the 'imprecise' time of this election normal in UK elections? UK general elections don't take place at a definite date but they definitely happen. Is there any chance that the referendum won't take place?--Johnsemlak (talk) 02:28, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The current news is merely about the UK allowing Scotland to hold a referendum. They haven't actually decided to hold it yet, but the ruling party has clearly said they want to. In 2013 it's expected that a bill about holding the referendum will be introduced in the Scottish parliament where it will probably pass, but we don't know whether something will happen and stop the bill from being introduced or passed. The bill will set a date for the referendum, presumably in the autumn of 2014. If we bring anything in ITN before the referendum then I think it should be when it's actually decided to hold the referendum and not one or more of the many other steps. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:22, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
OK, thank you. ON that basis I oppose for now.--Johnsemlak (talk) 03:57, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
UK press sources are saying it's a "legally binding referendum". The article seems to hint that if the vote is "yes" for independence, the secession would not be immediate, but would rather lead to negotiations between the Scottish and British governments. --hydrox (talk) 21:06, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
That's how it's generally understood. I don't think anyone believes it will be a count and then independence by lunchtime! Andrew Gray (talk) 12:03, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, this will be a legally binding mechanism for Scotland to secede. --RA (talk) 21:22, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - This is a routine part of the process. The Catalan situation is different precisely because of the massive popular protests there. This has been a much gentler process so far, and today's signing was a mere formality, albeit an important one. As I understand it, as the referendum will be legally binding, a 'yes' vote would inevitably lead to secession (barring, you know, a war breaking out or something), but not immediately. AlexTiefling (talk) 21:11, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support We'd post things like secessionists and governments agreeing to talks. This is the culmination of such talks. There may be no war involved (a good thing) but it is just as significant. The UK government has agreed that there will be a referendum, if Scotland votes to leave the UK, then it may leave. --RA (talk) 21:22, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose As pointed out when this topic was nominated in both January and May of this year, it is the results of this repeatedly postponed referendum, if it is ever held, that matter, not every minor step in the process of determining if or when the referendum will be held. --Allen3 talk 21:59, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait' Until the referendum succeeds. --Jayron32 02:51, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose until Scotland drifts away Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 11:58, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Lugnuts, I'd be the first to defend WP:NOTCENSORED, but was there any particular reason for the spectacularly crude choice of words you employed in your edit summary for this !vote? AlexTiefling (talk) 12:04, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Ever had the misfortune of being around anyone from Scotland? Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 13:01, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I don't regard it as a misfortune. Have you considered not airing such flagrantly prejudiced views? AlexTiefling (talk) 13:20, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Not really prejudiced when you've seen it first hand. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 13:30, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
May I draw your attention to the section of WP:CIVIL which specifically mentions "derogatory references to groups such as social classes or nationalities"? You also appear to be engaging in false generalisation. Please consider apologising and retracting your statements. AlexTiefling (talk) 13:36, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
You may. Thanks chief! Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 13:51, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with AlexTiefling, that was clearly inappropriate and prejudiced. Modest Genius talk 21:17, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Philippines accord

Articles: Bangsamoro (talk · history · tag) and Moro Islamic Liberation Front (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A peace accord is signed by the Moro Islamic Liberation Front and the Philippines government ending a 30-year conflict which sees a new autonomous Muslim autonomous region created (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A peace accord is signed between the Moro Islamic Liberation Front and the Philippines government ending a 30-year conflict
Credits:
 --doktorb wordsdeeds 07:36, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Reply Good point! Changed 08:20, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
Sorry, but I just noticed their acronym is MILF :) Fortibus (talk) 08:45, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
strong supprt by precedece, deal signed smething happened. Dint we post FARC's talking?Lihaas (talk) 18:09, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Basically, "the deal" was that they'll make a deal that would be approved by 2016 at the latest. That's the deal. Kinda like the Scottish nom above. –HTD 18:21, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] Malala Yousafzai

Article: Malala Yousafzai (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Internationally celebrated child activist Malala Yousafzai is sent to the UK for further treatment after being shot in the head by a Taliban gunman. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Pakistani child activist Malala Yousafzai is sent to the UK for treatment after being shot in the head by a Taliban gunman.
News source(s): (Reuters), (BBC)
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Celebrated figure after the attacks -- seen as the global face of girls education movement, and a sign of the continued dangers of the Taliban. Attack was denounced by world leaders, including Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, and Ban Ki-moon. Yousafzai was nominated in 2011 for the International Children's Peace Prize by Desmond Tutu. Finally, the content of the Wiki is high quality, in my opinion. -- Fortibus (talk) 04:48, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose and remove. While we all can feel sorry for a girl who has been shot, this isn't main page material at all. Numerous people get shot and brutalized all over the world every day. Mocctur (talk) 14:11, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
But most of them are not prominent youth activists shot by terrorists for their activism. Support, as the victim is clearly notable, and her story is making the headlines world-wide. AlexTiefling (talk) 14:21, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Malala_Yousafzai#Assassination_attempt, especially the "Public reaction" section helps clarify why this is different from the "[n]umerous people [who] get shot and brutalized all over the world every day." SpencerT♦C 21:24, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting Oppose- She was shot a week ago, and all this is reporting is that she was brought to the UK. This is just an excuse to post it now because we missed it last week, which isn't a good reason for posting otherwise insignificant news. Bzweebl (talkcontribs) 22:46, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: This should have been posted when she was shot. As the blurb reads right now, the news being highlighted is her being sent to the UK for treatment. How she receives medical treatment is not really the news (and not relevant/significant enough to be mentioned in the blurb), it was the fact that she was shot and that there was widespread condemnation of the shooting in Pakistan (and internationally). Chocolate Horlicks (talk) 02:03, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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