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Frustrated with creating links

On my sandbox alvanholmes/sandbox I've created an article for John Farrar.

Here is my point of frustration In the section Indications of Variation in name

I have two web citations and neither of them is showing correctly

I have spend five hours typing and retyping trying ever variation that I can think of and nothing

More frustating it that this variation of web cite actually worked (ref 2) \Version 1.<ref name="The Ferrar Papers">{{cite web| http://www.virtualjamestown.org/exist/cocoon/jamestown/virgco/b002245362|title=The Ferrar Papers of the Virginia Company}}</ref>

But when I tried to replicate it for the two problems, they didn't work (disregard title and url)

I have also tried this variation as well Version 2.<A ref name=”William Ferror of Halifax”>Template:Cite web url=https://archive.org/details/halifaxwillsbein02york/page/40</ref>{{rp | 40]] and it doesn't work either.

Here is version2 written in the style of version 1 <A ref name=”William Ferror of Halifax”>"Will of Henry Ferror of Halifax, 1548". {{cite web}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |1= (help); Missing or empty |url= (help) Text "https://archive.org/details/halifaxwillsbein02york/page/40" ignored</ref>{{rp | 40]] Can someone please tell me what I am doing wrong. An example perhaps. Is there a | or a " or an = that I am missing?

Why doesn't version 1 work when I use the url's (i.e https; etc., in version 2?

What have I done incorrectly with Version 2.? or have I. Is it the bot that is causing me a headache Alvanhholmes (talk) 21:56, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi Alvanhholmes. I have fixed many syntax errors.[1] Two references are still missing a suitable title. I see you use VisualEditor and wonder whether you are trying to follow instructions meant for the source editor. In VisualEditor, you can get help to create a reference by clicking the "Cite" tab at top. In the source editor, you can get help to create a reference by clicking "Cite" above the edit area. It cannot help fix existing references. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:19, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

Thank you Prime Hunter. I reviewed the syntax and my eyes just can't see the difference between mine and yours. Could you please show me the difference so I can get beyond this and not go over it again. As regards Titles for those references. I tried to insert a title in ref 6, but it isn't taking. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alvanhholmes (talk • contribs) 22:42, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

@Alvanhholmes: I think we can all identify with your frustration. Come back here and ask as many times as you need to. You can use the page's History tab to show the differences between any two versions - for instance, from the latest you changed to now the differences are at this link. Insertions and deletions are coloured. If you're a visual learner, you might like to check YouTube for extra material about creating references. For instance, if you're using Visual Editor then this video covers adding references, starting at 4:00.--Gronk Oz (talk) 23:03, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

@Alvanhholmes: Click the link [2] I gave to see the differences. If it's too hard to see for your eyes then your browser may be able to increase text size with Ctrl++, decrease with Ctrl+-, and reset to default with Ctrl+0. Here are some tips for source editing (not VisualEditor). Template parameters are separated by a pipe character: A vertical line "|". Any syntax element starting with a left bracket must end with a right bracket of the same type (and same number if there is more than one). E.g. (...), or [[...]], or {{...}}, or <...>, but never a combination like {{...)) or {{...]] which start with curly brackets but ends with something else. Citation templates have named parameters, meaning a parameter name like url= must be written before the value. References usually start with <ref and never with <a ref. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:23, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

Thank you Prime Hunter and I understand that. But the problem of inserting a title persists.

In the Alvanhholmes/sandbox2, Line 31 or so, ref 6 in Visual Editor I keep trying to insert a title. All I can see is (6) for the refence. Here is what I typed, and it shows up in source edit, but not in visual edit. Is there something wrong with the syntax?

The Title is there but it doesn't show up either atline 31 or reflist only the ref number. I checked the history and noticed that you removed the Title, but the Title is necessary for the reference. I can always type it in at line 31, but it won't show up in the reflist.

So my question remains. How do I include the Title of the reference in my syntax.? Thank you Alvanhholmes (talk) 02:11, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Alvanhholmes (talk) 02:11, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

@Alvanhholmes: Reference 6 already has a title "Will of Henry Ferror of Halifax, 1548", both in the sandbox and in your post here, so I don't know what you are talking about. In the post here you wrote |last=Corssley|first=E W after the }} which ends the citation template so those parameters were not used by the template. You broke the reference in [3] by changing the ending curly brackets }} to round brackets )) so I reverted you. Your edit also made an unnecessary repetition of the title. In the source editor you make a title in a citation template by writing |title= followed by the wanted title. Do not change the ending curly double brackets }} to anything else when you do this or make any other edit to a citation. Do not write Title with upper case T. In VisualEditor you make a title for an existing working reference by clicking the blue number where the reference is used, click "Edit" in the box that pops up, write the name of the title in the "Title" field, and click "Apply changes". PrimeHunter (talk) 02:39, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Many thanks PrimeHunter. The problem is most certainly me. I have memory retention problems (age and removal of a cerebral tumor) so I have to use templates I store in wordpad for copy and paste, and often my shakey hands will cause a mistype. I try though. I solved my problem with citations on lines 31 and 32, by (duh) simply typing in the words "Will of...., etc.," don't know why I didn't think of it before (fibbing there) I will try in the future to concentrate more. And I will use your references for citations in the future.. they are going on my wordpad. I tried to use the cite link at the top and some how it didn't work out for me.

Thanks a million. I can only imagine the troubles I will have posting my next article. I hope it is easier and better. I will concentrate more. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alvanhholmes (talk • contribs) 04:35, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

References

Article Issue Flags - Request for help

Hi, I want to proactively declare that I am a COI. I work for Mitchell Goldhar's company, SmartCentres. I understand that an employee of the company made edits to Mitchell Goldhar's article before declaring a COI. We recognize this was wrong. Can you please help me understand the process to have the flags removed from the article. I believe the employee's edits have all been reversed. Thank you in advance for your help. Mandymail (talk) 01:20, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Once the issues of the tags are addressed, they can be removed. ―Abelmoschus Esculentus 01:55, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

More specific - User talk:Robert McClenon put the flags in. Consider creating a New section there and explain what was reverted. However, your relationship goes beyond COI. As an employee, what applies is WP:PAID. What that means is on your User page, you must declare a Paid relationship, and it is required/STRONGLY recommended that rather than editing the article directly, you create a new section on the article's Talk page, and writing there the proposed changes. In time, other editors will see this and decide to incorporate into the article. David notMD (talk) 02:09, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

All that said, in my opinion none of the references support Mr. Goldhar's notability in the Wikipedia sense of the word, i.e., published articles that are about Mr. Goldhar rather than just name-mentions. David notMD (talk) 02:16, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

lee majors

Was just wondering... Is that Mr. Lee Majors in the newest 2018 HONDADays commercials? Sure sounds like him!!! Could you confirm this for me, please? Thank you. Happy Holydays!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.120.95.153 (talk) 02:49, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi anon. This is a page for asking questions about Wikipedia or how to edit it. You may go to reference desks instead. ―Abelmoschus Esculentus 02:52, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

How to add userboxes?

Which templates do I use to add userboxes? Give me at least three examples.KJ2574 04:04, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

@KJ2574: Hi. You may use {{<!--Userbox name goes here-->}}. For example, {{User wikipedia/rollback}} produces

This user has rollback rights on the English Wikipedia. (verify)

―Abelmoschus Esculentus 04:08, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Two more examples?KJ2574 04:09, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Go to find at Wikipedia:Userboxes/Galleries/All ―Abelmoschus Esculentus 04:11, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Sig colors?

Give me an example of making signatures colored using wiki code. I have to be able to see the wiki code. KJ2574 04:07, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Use CSS. <span style="color:red">Abelmoschus Esculentus</span> produces Abelmoschus Esculentus ―Abelmoschus Esculentus 04:12, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

How do I get rid of the redirect in mySandbox?

My sandbox has a redirect to a recently published article, and I can't use it for another article. Can I get rid of it, I had deleted it and somone put it back in.

As a consequence I have a sandbox2, but can't access it from the sandbox link, when I click on it only the redirect sandbox shows up.

The only way for me to access sandbox2 is to bookmark it in my browser, and that is unhandy.

So how do I get access to sandbox2 from my user page, or wiki? Can I get rid of the redirect? How do I make a new sandbox3?

Most of these are redundant questions that I just asked, but I didn't make a subject/headline. Apologies Alvanhholmes (talk) 05:15, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

 Done removed redirect in User:Alvanhholmes/sandbox. Create sandbox3 by clicking here. ―Abelmoschus Esculentus 05:19, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for removing the redirect. But how can I access my sandbox2 and sandbox3 without bookmarking themAlvanhholmes (talk) 07:11, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

You may add them to your watchlist or type it in the search box manually ―Abelmoschus Esculentus 09:55, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi Alvanhholmes! You can also go to Special:PrefixIndex/User:Alvanhholmes, which will list all subpages of your User page. Another option is to add links to your sandboxes on your User page. Happy editing! rchard2scout (talk) 15:48, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Taras Kostanchuk

Good day! Earlier today my article about Taras Kostanchuk (commander of the assault group of the Donbas Battalion) was rejected https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Taras_Kostanchuk. The reason is indicated my friendly or family ties or advertising is not a significant person, but this is not true. He led the assault group of the famous battalion and went through many battles (in the material I applied it was fixed, even video materials). One of the few who survived the Battle of Ilovaisk. I enclose a photo of the planning of the capture of Ilovaysk, where Taras Kostanchuk discusses it with the famous founder of the battalion, Semen Semenchenko.

File:Semenchenko and Kostanchuk http://ipress.ua/media/gallery/full/s/e/semenchenko_a393b.jpg Now Taras Kostanchuk is engaged in many projects in Ukraine and there are a lot of queries about search systems about him (you can check). In Ukrainian Wikipedia, I have already successfully created and approved an article about Taras Kostanchuk (you can easily check this). This man deserves a place in the encyclopedia and I would like to be the creator of his page until someone else did. This article does not carry any advertising character. Taras Kostanchuk does not need it. His biography is already searched in search queries, so I’m creating this page for people, whon try to find it. Thank you. Best regards, Pa30T (talk) 07:57, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Query

If I wanted to change my username globally, then how to do so; and if I did that, what will be the side-effects? Harsh Rathod Poke me! 09:23, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Special:GlobalRenameRequest ―Abelmoschus Esculentus 09:57, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

No, I don't want to change. The current name is fine. Harsh Rathod Poke me! 18:15, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Then why did you ask this question? ―Abelmoschus Esculentus 06:47, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Probably for future reference, in case he ever wanted to.Mineblock6641 (talk) 22:17, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

question

How do I display on my userbox that I can speak in english , support Manchester City F.C. , F.C. Barcelona and Juventus . 223.176.84.4 (talk) 10:32, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

• Hi 223.176.84.4. If you were to register for a WP:ACCOUNT, then you could look at the userboxes in Wikipedia:Userboxes/Galleries and then add the ones you like it to your userpage. However, I'm not sure if it's acceptable to add userboxes to an IP userpage simply because it seems possible that another person might also edit using the same IP address and would have just as much of a claim to the userpage as you and might just decide to remove them. If I'm mistaken about this, someone else will correct me, but once again I think registering for an account is probably necessary. -- Marchjuly (talk) 11:23, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Yes, I think Marchjuly is exactly right. Userboxes shouldn't be put on IP pages since IPs can change. In this specific case, the IP user is a sockpuppet of a user who has been blocked multiple times with different accounts, so they should not create another account. --bonadea contributions talk 11:35, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Again

I wanted to change my user name but don't know how?

--MeKLT (talk) 11:26, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Given that you are a very new editor, a simple solution would be to create a new account with a new user name (and password) and never, ever, ever log in again as MeKLT. Doing that would consign MeKLT to the dustbin of obscurity, where it would join the tens of thousands (hundreds of thousands?) of non-active accounts. David notMD (talk) 13:20, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Actually, there are 34,981,616 registered Wikipedia accounts, and over 99.6% are inactive. See Wikipedia:Wikipedians for details. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 22:36, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Problem with uploading, please delete it i would like to upload it again. *Uploading was not successful.+ Mail adress can't be checked*

Uploading was not successful. https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soubor:Fórum_Ústí_nad_Labem.jpg

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i can't proove that my mail is real there is any div error ...

Thank you for your time. Best Regards, George. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skajaw (talk • contribs) 11:39, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi @Skajaw:, unfortunately editors at English Wikipedia are unable to help with questions about Czech Wikipedia. Try asking at the help desk page at cs.wikipedia, https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedie:Pot%C5%99ebuji_pomoc Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 11:56, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

As for the file you linked to, that exists at Wikimedia Commons, https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:F%C3%B3rum_%C3%9Ast%C3%AD_nad_Labem.jpg , and if you want to have it removed from there you'll need to go to there to tag it for removal. --bonadea contributions talk 12:01, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi Skajaw, welcome to the Teahouse. commons:File:Fórum Ústí nad Labem.jpg was uploaded at Wikimedia Commons and cannot be deleted by Wikipedia administrators. You can request deletion with "Nominate for deletion" at my link. End the reason with a signature ~~~~. Commons uploads are sometimes cut off at 5 MB when they are started with an edit toolbar at another wiki. Try the upload link in the left pane at the wiki or at commons:. You can also wait until your Commons account is four days old. Then commons:File:Fórum Ústí nad Labem.jpg should get a link "Upload a new version of this file". PrimeHunter (talk) 12:05, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Formatting

Hi there, My name is Zamzam I am a student at the University of Stirling in Scotland, working on a project to my module Living in a connected world.

I am trying to figure out how to cite, I have been going through several trials trying to discover the processes unfortunately, I failed :s

To be honest I tried to do so many things, I even tried to copy and past other's work but again.. I failed ;S

can you please guide me to any protocol I can follow, so I can upgrade my skills on Wikibooks project?

Thanks Zizi.husain (talk) 16:20, 17 November 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zizi.husain (talk • contribs) 15:24, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, Zamzam. Though Wikibooks is a WMF project, and runs on the same software, it is a completely separate project from Wikipedia, and has its own rules and policies. You might find what you need at B:WB:REFS. --ColinFine (talk) 16:37, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks though!Zizi.husain (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 00:23, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Creating and Access 2d and 3rd Sandboxes

1. How does one create extra sandboxes? I have sandbox2 and sandbox3 but did not create them, they were created for me, and I want to know how? 2. How do I access sandbox2 and sandbox3, other than bookmarking them in my browser. When I click on sandbox at the top, it only takes me to my original sandbox, but there is no shortcut to sandbox2 or sandbox3

Thank youAlvanhholmes (talk) 15:47, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Hello Alvanhholmes! You can search for those in the search bar, which you can actually do the same for your normal sandbox. Go to the search in the top-right part of the page, and enter User:Alvanhholmes/sandbox2 and User:Alvanhholmes/sandbox3. There aren't shortcuts installed to go to these pages besides searching for them, but it's very quick and easy to search for them once you get used to it. I hope this helps you out a bit.--SkyGazer 512 ^{Oh no, what did I do this time?} 15:56, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

and you can create extra sandboxes by typing User:Alvanhholmes/sandbox4 or User:Alvanhholmes/anything else into the search box, Alvanhholmes. --ColinFine (talk) 16:39, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Thank you. I choose option 2 (link on userpage). Very much appreciated Alvanhholmes (talk) 18:17, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

@Alvanhholmes: I have taken the liberty of adding a helpful link at the top of your Userpage and both your current sandboxes. This will display every one of you subpages, no matter how many you create. There is also a second way of displaying any user's subpages: Just go to their Userpage, click the big Tab marked "Pages" (near the Edit tab), and then click subpages. Try it on mine, and you'll see I have a large number which are otherwise impossible to keep track of. Hope you find this helpful. Nick Moyes (talk) 06:46, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Should victims be listed in articles on tragedies?

Hi all,

I saw that a previously unknown victim of the UpStairs Lounge arson attack had been likely identified, so I went to add that info to the wiki article. I saw there wasn't a list of the victims, but I added the finding to the section regarding the three unidentified victims. I then checked around similar tragedies, and saw that some have a list of those who died (for example, the Ghostship fire) and some don't.

Are there any guidelines pertaining to this? One potential issue is that the UpStairs Lounge fire was not well covered at the time, so when looking around, I had a hard time finding reliable sources of a full list of the dead. In this case, would a photo of the official memorial with the names (like here) be an acceptable source?

Thanks!

EponineBunnyKickQueen (talk) 21:21, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

EponineBunnyKickQueen, whether or not to include a full list of victims is up to the consensus of editors at individual articles. To my knowledge, the consensus has been to do so in some cases and to not do so in others. So far as memorials, those are tricky in terms of copyright status. If the memorial is subject to copyright, any image of it would be considered nonfree, which would mean usage would be substantially restricted if not disallowed entirely. If the memorial is not copyrightable or has fallen into the public domain, I think a photo of it would often be relevant to the article about the incident the memorial is for. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 22:06, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Oh, as an aside, on "wiki article". "Wiki" is a generic term for any site that uses software allowing users to edit it. This site is Wikipedia, not "wiki". Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 22:08, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

I don't think EponineBunnyKickQueen was thinking of uploading the image, Seraphimblade; rather they were asking if the image they linked to could be used as a source. It seems to me that the answer is Yes, provided the site where the image is hosted is regarded as a reliable source, that image is not itself a copyright violation, and there is enough information on the site (either in the image iteself, or in surrounding text) to establish that this is indeed a source for the information being added. --ColinFine (talk) 22:39, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

I see. If I misunderstood and that's what you were asking, I entirely agree with ColinFine. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 22:42, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, ColinFine, that is what I meant: taking the names from the memorial, not adding a photo of the memorial. Thanks, also, Seraphimblade. EponineBunnyKickQueen (talk) 22:53, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi EponineBunnyKickQueen the {{cite sign}} template provides an easy way to reference a memorial inscription. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 11:42, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi EponineBunnyKickQueen, another response to your original question, for what it's worth. I've done a lot of work on aviation accidents and we generally only list victims in general terms; individual victims are not normally mentioned unless they are notable, which usually means they have their own wiki article (so a wikilink can be provided). Therefore we tend to provide a table listing numbers of victims by nationality, then only name specific individuals in the text if they are notable. Hope this helps. Rodney Baggins (talk) 12:40, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Please direct me..

I am a teacher at St Martin Secondary who is trying to update our page, to follow other similar schools in our board.

I am not sure how I am in conflict of interest, nor do I wish to be revoked rights to update.

Could you please give me guidelines of how I can properly update our page?

My apologies for not doing this correctly. I am new to this process.

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yolandanavas (talk • contribs) 23:24, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Yolandanavas, your editing was promoting the school. You were quite correctly told to stop that, and if you do so again, you will be blocked. Editors with a conflict of interest are expected to refrain from directly editing articles for which they have a COI, and instead to only suggest edits on the talk page, using {{request edit}} to bring attention to them. However, material such as "Our..." (articles are always written in third person), "program is designed for students that have a passion for sports", "Some of our students are high level athletes, but the majority are students that merely have a passion for sports. In either case, all of these students are afforded the opportunity to explore the world of sports through various roles and responsibilities which our student are exposed to in the community." That's brochure junk, and the rest of your edits go on that same way. Wikipedia strictly forbids any kind of advertising or marketing material, including any kind of "talking up". Also, please note that the article is not yours, nor the school's. Wikipedia is not social media on which you may write or maintain a "profile". It belongs to the community of Wikipedia and to the general public, and the school has no special right to control or dictate what it says. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 05:00, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Yolandanavas. All of the above is true, however, I regret that they are rebuking you so strongly as you're someone who doesn't have experience on Wikipedia. Especially considering that the commonplace talk header guidelines include to be polite, welcoming to new users, and to assume good faith. Unfortunately this website can be full of a lot of angry macho posturing through pedantic references to bureacratic rules guidelines. I'm a bit appalled that this is the tone in the Teahouse of all places. But why should I be surprised about Wikipedia's ugly side?.

Thank you for trying to contribute to Wikipedia (albeit in violation of the rules) and thank you for educating the world's children. I hope that you have a great day and better future experiences on Wikipedia. Sincerely, Shashi Sushila Murray, (message me)

PS. I left a notice on your talk page that will provide you with even more constructive feedback so that you understand the policies everyone has been referencing. Sincerely, Shashi Sushila Murray, (message me) 00:39, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

I'm still fuming over this, Yolandanavas. I wanted to point out for the benefit of everyone else reading that the Teahouse was purportedly created "... as a pilot project on English Wikipedia, with a goal of learning whether a social approach to new editor support could retain more new editors there." Additionally, "Although the project will welcome all good faith new users, women are a particular target population. By creating a social-learning experience that helps integrate women into the community and support them in getting past barriers to participation, we hope to impact the gender gap."

If I can make any assumptions about your gender based on your username and profession, Ms. Navas, it's that you're a woman. And if I can make any assumptions about whether you're attempting to make good faith edits based on both the tone and phrasing of your initial question, it's that they're in good faith. Sincerely, Shashi Sushila Murray, (message me) 01:37, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Subject Matthew Gordon Banks (Gordon-Banks is surname_

Hello Everyone.

PLEASE could you help me. I AM the subject and my email address not to be published is (Redacted).

Over a number of years two people Moist Toilet and Phillip Cross now banned from Editing have truly destroyed my entry and anyone in International Relations looking me up sees very little most negative.

Recently serious vandalism occurred I believe by two Students. A recent change in the Personal section ought to be removed. It was put in by a non-editor and it has an odd address - not an ISP. Please would someone look at this and look carefully at the History section to see who has done what. A police officer - I have close protection officers - made a change which is genuine. Someone says I am frequently asked to appear on Russian TV. This is intended to further destroy my reputation and puts my life at risk. It appears I made a serious attempt to take my life in the early hours of Tuesday morning and Police visited my home to check on my welfare.

I ask you to reverse the changes made by people who are not proper editors. The block on my own ISP is unfair. I have tried to revert things - they even suggested these students I was a paedophile. It has been hell.

Your sincerely, Matthew Gordon-Banks (Redacted)62.128.207.104 (talk) 01:01, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

I see that someone using the same IP address as you, 62.128.207.104, has removed mention of your two convictions for drunken driving last year. What you describe as "an odd address - not an ISP" is an IPv6 address - these are increasingly common now that IPv4 addresses like yours are running out. Maproom (talk) 08:25, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Code

What is the == == code meaning? 125.160.114.139 (talk) 02:32, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

It's the header for different sections. Ian.thomson (talk) 02:37, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

More specifically, a level 2 header. ―Abelmoschus Esculentus 06:47, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

The code will change the text to display the way the title of this section of this page is. For example, the big bolded word "Code" is produced by writing "== Code ==". For more information here is a reference page: Help:Cheatsheet. You can also learn more by reading this help page about Wikitext: Help:Wikitext Sincerely, Shashi Sushila Murray, (message me) 00:26, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Indexing userpage

For how long must a user edit Wikipedia in order to be permitted to index their userpage? PUZZLED🥕|🗣️ 03:00, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

The user namespace is automatically NOINDEXed. David Biddulph (talk) 03:26, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia exists to present properly written encyclopedia articles to the general public. There is no need to call attention to our backstage conversations. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:36, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi PUZZLED. Per Wikipedia:Controlling search engine indexing#INDEX magic word, the account must be extended confirmed, meaning 30 days old and 500 edits. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:47, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

about editing

how can I be a verified publisher in Wikipedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Seniru pahasara kamkanamge (talk • contribs) 03:26, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Seniru pahasara kamkanamge. We do not have anything like a "verified publisher" here on Wikipedia. Editors are judged by how productive they are. Please read Wikipedia:User access levels for information about various permissions given to editors according to demonstrated need and responsibility. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:04, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi Seniru pahasara kamkanamge, judging by your recent post on your User Talk page, I believe what you want to know is covered at WP:AUTOCONFIRM. Since you account is more than 4 days old and you have more than 10 edits, you probably can edit semiprotected articles; are you sure you still can't? If you can't, you can request a change on the article talk page, flagging your request with {{Edit semi-protected}}. —teb728 t c 11:00, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

ACIG.org as a referrence site

ACIG.org is used many times as a source for claimed air to air combat statistics on many of the combat aircraft pages on wikipedia... The problem is tjat site has been taken down... the resulting loss of their claimed data means that many pages on Wikipedia need to be edited and those sources removed... Is there any way to do a global change to efit it out on all pages? — Preceding unsigned comment added by CAG0001 (talk • contribs) 04:24, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

The site may be available via https://web.archive.org/

In time the links will be updated to reflect this, Regards, Ariconte (talk) 05:33, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

overwhelmed reader & feedback notes vs edits of mistakes

Not so much a question as a feedback comment. (but where does it go?.. forward this if you would, I'm lost and tired of trying)

I'm really just a casual reader. I have screwed up every attempt made at an edit/talk or any contact attempt on this site. I'm more of a tech dinosaur than an idiot. And that begins my point.

Being highly educated isn't a requirement for knowing a mistake when you see one, or even suspect one. In my opinion, Wikipedia would be enhanced by a more readily apparent way of contacting someone, anyone, in these instances, and likely others. E.g. I just stumbled across the teahouse by chance after being frustrated by a failed talk attempt.(Did it post? Did I fail?; or my device? I saw no change. Does "save" post? I.e., I left the page wondering what just happened? And to me, that indicates a design problem.

I'm a former graphics/commecial art major IBM/Lantastic/Apple; I went on an ability based scholarship vs grades, and was top of my class each year because of a knack for highly intiative page design.

The fact I don't find this site "intuative" enough to do something, hopefully contructive, is disheartening to say the least.

I don't find this organizational format intuative enough to follow well either.

For comparison, E.g., MS software I find very intuative, Apple & Android baffle me even with former Apple experience, after 4 years of exclusive daily use I feel just as lost as day one.. Wikipedia comes across the same way. Overwhelming and unintuitive is a loosing combo.

Wikipedia lately carrys an increasingly educational elitist tone normally reserved for a professor in their classroom. I don't see this as beneficial here as this isn't a course structured around goals pertaining to a particular subject with a pass/fail final outcome. Not for the "everyday" casual "bluecollar" type user anyhow.

So, who am I to critique? What's the solution? Nobody really & I can't say. But I do think Bill Gates made a few changes to W-beta after a half day with my playing with it. So just maybe it's food for thought I offer.

Along those lines, same timeframe and classroom, someone else said something I'll never forget especially as Bill dropped his head in frustration and agreement; I think it's Plato. Forgive the loosness please: "To teach well, the teacher should assume the student knows nothing.".

I think Wikipedia would do well to strive to follow that statement. It does to some extent, but as I stated, it has been creeping towards the elitist professors outlook. That's too much "attitude" for casual learning to happen IMO. And bring into question at what point do folks stop bothering with Wikipedia as a source? Can Wikipedia afford to find out?

I also understand that "too easy" might draw the true idiot/troll to a new sandbox for play, but at least make the talk/comment to authors more accessable with some real simplicity. Sit a third grader down at a screen. If they can't manage it, it's not gonna cut it. (by third grade I outread e ey adult in the school system for speed with 92% retention...but the aprox. grade seems about right I think.). Thanks for your time.

Ok, I thought I was done. But again..."Publish changes" isn't intuative. "Finish" "Post" "Done" "Send" or even "Publish" alone without "changes" is more intuative by being more along the lines of everyday speech; I only "changed" the "blankness" of the screen. It would have gotten me a B at best in design class for using unnecessary text. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.216.159.166 (talk) 06:04, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

On your final point (this is a relatively recent change), there was actually a recent discussion on that here, you can see it at Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive_860#No_SAVE_button_in_sandbox. Basically the reason/answer is "Legal said so, so cope". Per your edit-history you edit from mobile and I never do, but I have seen people recommend "desktop view." Others can probably help you better on that. Help:Editing may be a reasonable place to start. WP has a learning curve, but if you want to climb it, finding the Teahouse is a decent start. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:51, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi IP editor. Welcome. (Minor feedback first: please avoid using the old-fashioned style of indenting the first line of every new paragraph. Yove done it on other pages too, and I've just removed them all because it causes our obviously esoteric software to render text in a horrid font. Just leave one clear line between text if you want to separate sentences, but definitely no spaces at the start of a new paragraph) Now, I do sense your frustration, though dont share your sentiment about elitism. I think we avoid elitism by having an immensely broad base of editors, as well as a very broad base of content-consumers, from schoolkids to scientists. As the worlds biggest free online encyclopaedia, we do expect content to be written clearly, simply and logically - and we even have special notices we can put on pages that are too technnical. Of course, you are invited and free to help address your own concerns by improving articles that you feel don't communicate with a lay audience as best they should. Thanks, Nick Moyes (talk) 07:28, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

My source is CC BY 2.0, how can I use the content?

Hello! I would like to use figure 2 in this article: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2923515/# It says: This is an Open Access article distributed under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution License (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.0), which permits unrestricted use, distribution, and reproduction in any medium, provided the original work is properly cited. When I try to upload the image in wiki commons and choose the type of license, I see all versions of Creative Commons, older and newer that version 2, but not 2 itself. What is the solution for this? Also I would like some feedback from expert editors before submitting the wiki page that I am creating, where can I get help for that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sam orbital (talk • contribs) 07:12, 18 November 2018 (UTC) Thanks so much and appreciate the help in advance! --Sam orbital (talk) 07:08, 18 November 2018 (UTC)Sam Orbital

Welcome to the Teahouse Sam orbital. Commons has a license tag {{cc-by-2.0}} for that license. If that is not listed by the Commons upload wizard, I don't know why. You might get a faster response at Commons:Help desk.

As for feedback on your draft, User:Sam orbital/sandbox/Ferlin, I will leave this link to it in hope that another host will see it and respond. —teb728 t c 11:36, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi Sam orbital - I've also posted a note on the talk page of the WikiProject Molecular and Cell Biology, which you can find HERE. The draft looks good to go, from my perspective. It's well structured and well formatted. I think there are only two issues with it, and neither, imho, would prevent it from being in mainspace. The first is that the lead might need a slight expansion, as per WP:LEAD to cover all the main topics covered in the article. The second is that while it is very well sourced, there are still one or two assertions which lack a footnote. In fact, I'm being WP:BOLD, and simply moving it to the mainspace for you. Since it's been reviewed, no need for it to sit in the AfC queue. But in the future, you would simply click on the "submit for review" button to ask for someone to review it. Hope this helps. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 12:32, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

please help me to improve Draft:Tatsuo Yamada (karate)

Hi the Kickboxing has some wrong link and i find out that a person with the name Tatsuo Yamada is not the man who create kickboxing and want to correct the link, so create Draft:Tatsuo Yamada (karate) but i received "Wikipedia cannot be used as a reference." and it move to "Draft " space. please help me to improve and correct this. thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaleel2007 (talk • contribs) 07:18, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse Jaleel2007. The source reference for your translation belongs on the Talk page of the article not in the article itself; I have moved it there. Articles in Wikipedia must be verifiable by references to reliable published sources. But since Wikipedia can be edited by anybody, it is not regarded as a reliable source. Perhaps you can find references in the source article in Japanese Wikipedia. —teb728 t c 10:22, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks teb728 So can I copy Japanese reference directly? there are some book about topic not English but Japanese, "ISBN 4915906426 " for example.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaleel2007 (talk • contribs) 14:58, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi Jaleel2007. Since you're attempting to create an article on English Wikipedia, you should try to use sources written in English as much as possible, but it's acceptable to use sources written in other languages as explained in WP:NOTENG. So, yes it might be possible to use all or some of the sources cited in the Japanese Wikipedia article about Yamada as long as these sources satisfy English Wikipedia's definition of a reliable source and they actually verify the relevant article content.

It's important to understand though that each Wikipedia project has it's own policies and guidelines and some projects enforce their policies and guidelines better than others. Since English Wikipedia has the most articles and the most editors, its policies and guidelines tend to be applied more rigorously than some other language Wikipedias; so, if you're able to read the Japanese sources cited in the Japanese Wikipedia article and can confirm they support the claims being made in the article, then you can probably use them.

Whenever you add any source to an article, you need to take into considereation that someone might come along someday and challenge it. A source written in English can often be easily verified by simply reading the source; a source written in a language other than English, on the other hand, might require some translating some part of it when requested to make it easier for others to understand. If you're unable to access the source yourself or unable to read it, you're probably going to have a hard time defending it. If that's the case here, you might want to ask for help from someone at WT:JAPAN before adding the source. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:37, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Vijay Mahajan

The guidelines on WP:COI/N say to try Talk page discussion first - so not sure how to handle this...so will ask here first. This article is an obvious WP:SOAPBOX and is not at all neutral...the primary editor, Vijay Mahajan PBX (talk · contribs) has a clear WP:COI and is writing a WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY. WikiDan61 warned them about this and yet they persist.

I thought of opening an AfD, but the subject appears notable at first glance given how many sources are cited in the lead. I hope a more experienced editor can deal with this, as I'm all tapped out in the ideas department. Psiĥedelisto (talk) 11:17, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Interesting editing history. Article started in 2008. In 2012, two clusters of edits that may have been VM or person associated with VM (Vijaybasix and 223.196.174.84). Then in June 2018 massive additions to article by Vijay Mahajan PBX. Given writing style, I agree with Psihedelisto that this is likely Vijay Mahajan autobiographical. I have no interest in doing anything about it, just commenting. David notMD (talk) 12:31, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

@David notMD: Thanks for your edits to the article, I consider this issue  Resolved to the extent that the Teahouse can resolve it. Psiĥedelisto (talk) 04:57, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Extended confirmed protection to some Sri lanka related articles

Keeping in mind the constitutional crisis of Sri Lanka and the rising uncertainty of who is prime minister due to which there have been constant edit warring, I want suggest that Extended confirmed protection be provided to the following articles:Prime Minister of Sri Lanka, Mahinda Rajapaksa, Ranil Wickremesinghe, List of Prime Ministers of Sri Lanka. Adithya Pergade (talk) 13:09, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

The place for requesting protection is WP:RFPP. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:33, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

i did something stupid.

JojokeGodFunhand (talk) 14:30, 18 November 2018 (UTC) I deleted the speedy deletion thing and can you help me?

References

What do you mean by "speedy deletion thing"? Mineblock6641 (talk) 22:19, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Zehra Neşe Kavak

Hello there. There's an article I've been working on for a long time. But still no confirmation. I've got everything I need. I'd appreciate it if you could help. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anilaydin (talk • contribs) 15:08, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

creating a new page

hi..i am trying to create a new page for my neighbor who is a top tennis coach here in the US. i pulled down some bio information from his website and used that to start. my page was flagged because i didn't cite the source. the denial also said that my posting looked like advertising.

I'm a bit confused by the process and need some advice. What can one put on a page? Can I just create the page and let other contributors edit it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mfsamba (talk • contribs) 15:21, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

You need to find independent WP:Reliable sources where the subject has been written about in detail, and summarise what these independent sources say. A person's own website is of little interest to Wikipedia except possibly for very basic facts. An article must not be based on self-published material. What user name did you use to start the page? Dbfirs 15:38, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Sierra Leone: In or Out?

Hi, just want to consult with you about whether Sierra Leone was crowned yesterday or if the country has withdrawn from the Miss Universe competition. They dropped out last year, so I wouldn't be surprised. Let me know how long you think we should wait before we edit the country from the list. Thanks. --Rahu22 (talk) 16:28, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Hello Rahu22—I think an equally good place to inquire about this would be the Reference desk/Humanities. But someone here might know. Bus stop (talk) 16:35, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

SQL Query without FROM clause

Hi all,

The article From (SQL) mentions that " From clauses are very common" and that "FROM is an SQL reserved word in the SQL standard". Could you please help me to understand how to implement a query without the From clause? As far as I know this can be done, I just don't know under which conditions (kind of databases, general form, limitations, ...). Many thanks for the help. Best regards --Hundsrose (talk) 16:56, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Hello @Hundsrose: and welcome to the Teahouse. You might get lucky with an answer here, but generally this forum is intended only for Wikipedia-related questions. You could also try asking at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Computing - the reference desks often answer such broader knowledge-related questions (or atleast point to sources for more information). GermanJoe (talk) 17:02, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Hello GermanJoe, thanks for the help. I just started to also edit in the english wikipedia and got confused. The linked Reference desk is much better for this purpose. Sorry again and thank you very much. Best regards --Hundsrose (talk) 17:15, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Help with an article

Hello,

I have an assignment to make a Wikipedia article for my International economics class and I've been declined twice. My topic chosen is on the Trade Facilitation Agreement 2014 and I was hoping for some advice on how to improve my article. I believe that I have successfully listed the important information about the agreement and I am struggling with how to word it in a way that it sounds more like an encyclopedia entry.

Thank you for your help! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anrussell2 (talk • contribs) 17:32, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

This must be about Draft:Trade Facilitation Agreement 2014. It doesn't start by explaining what it's about. The first sentence refers to "our economy", leaving the reader to guess who "we" are. It cites no sources, though it does list some. One of the things you need to do is to read Help:Referencing for beginners, and then follow as many statements as practicable by citations of sources that confirm them. Maproom (talk) 18:31, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Anrussell2. I recommend these resources as well: https://dashboard.wikiedu.org/training/students Here is the one on adding citations: https://dashboard.wikiedu.org/training/students/sources and here is the one on evaluating sources etc: https://dashboard.wikiedu.org/training/students/evaluating-articles Sincerely, Shashi Sushila Murray, (message me) 18:44, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

I wonder if the subject of the draft is the same as the trade agreement discussed in the article Bali Package. Maproom (talk) 18:45, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Another problem with the draft, Anrussell2, is that (as the reviewer said) it reads like an essay. A Wikipedia article should be a summary of what reliable sources have said about the subject, no more. It must not contain original research - which means it must not contain any argumentation, discussion or analysis beyond what is in the individual sources, or conclusions that aren't in one of the sources. It can say "this source says X, while that source says Y", but it should not attempt to reconcile or choose between them.

I'm afraid that this suggests that either you have misunderstood what your teacher asked you to do, or your teacher has misunderstood what Wikipedia is. Have they (and you) looked at WP:Education program? --ColinFine (talk) 23:50, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

User:ColinFine, User:Anrussell2 - Unfortunately, these misunderstandings are often by the teacher. It is common for instructors to give assignments involving Wikipedia that are inconsistent with our policies and guidelines. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:35, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi again, Anrussell2. I added a welcome template to your talk page for new student editors (I just discovered it) that might point you to more resources. I also marked your draft article's talk page to indicate that this is part of an educational assignment. You might want to send this information to your professor: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Student_assignments#Advice_for_instructors As it might help them help you and to communicate with the Wikipedia Education representatives if they are having multiple people in your course edit pages. This may help your edits, and your class's edits, be more successful. Let us know if you have any questions or any further help. Sincerely, Shashi Sushila Murray, (message me) 22:34, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Reference repetition

In an article I'm reworking, there's a section with 6 bulleted statements. Each bullet is supported by the same reference. Should I (1) put the reference on the section heading? Or (2) put the reference after each bullet? Or (3) put the reference after the final bullet? You can see the section here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Schazjmd/sandbox#Successor_units Schaz (talk) 19:41, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

I'd say that either 2 or 3 is probably OK, but 2 is the way to go if you want to be absolutely clear. Number 1 is right out; refs should never be put in headings (see WP:CITEFOOT). Deor (talk) 21:00, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Forget to ping @Schazjmd:. Deor (talk) 21:01, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice, @Deor:! Number 2 is how I started it, but I was second-guessing myself. Schaz (talk) 21:03, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Image Copy rights

Hii Guys! Can anyone help me how do I get the copy rights for the Images that i created manually? Thanks in advance and hope to here from you soon.Vijaykumarreddyvoddi0322 (talk) 19:44, 18 November 2018 (UTC)Vijay

@Vijaykumarreddyvoddi0322: In general, you automatically get the copyright to anything you create, although there are some exceptions such as work-for-hire, and it may vary by country. Can you please give a little more info about what you are asking? You might also have better luck at WP:MCQ where the copyright experts hang out. RudolfRed (talk) 20:26, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

@RudolfRed: Thank you, I will do that..

What is the procedure to go from sandbox to public visibility?

What is the procedure to go from sandbox to public visibility? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Danielkernohan (talk • contribs) 22:23, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

I have added a Userspace Draft box at the top of your sandbox..... To send it on - click the submit button. It generally looks good! Regards, Ariconte (talk) 23:27, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Better answer.... Since Draft:Zbigniew Blazeje looks like a poor first attempt at what your sandbox is now... just improve the existing draft article.  ????? Regards, Ariconte (talk) 23:33, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

An then re-submit it..... Regards, Ariconte (talk) 05:10, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Removing and Advertisement Tone

Hello Teahouse,

I took the plunge found a topic and wrote my first article here on Wikipedia. Thus, far I have learned quite a bit thus far. Oddly, I take joy in my first article being declined as it pushes me to learn more. So, I write seeking pointers on how to improve my submissions. Again, thank you for the warm welcome. CryptoWriter (talk) 03:12, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi, CryptoWriter. I am a new editor too, but I at least can point you in the right direction.

It looks like the main reason that your submission was declined was that it "reads like an [advertisement]". I recommend reviewing this page which is a guide to creating your first article: Wikipedia:Your first article. I also want to encourage you to look through these fantastic user-friendly tutorials created by the Wikipedia Education project. They are intended for students in a classroom, but I (as a new editor like you) find them more accessible than the ordinary explanatory pages: https://dashboard.wikiedu.org/training/students Third, I am going to add what's called a friendly search suggestion template to your draft article's talk page. It will generate a list of searches that you can click on based on the title of your article that might point you to more sources to include on your page. Fourth, I think that you might find this page helpful as well: Wikipedia:Contributing_to_Wikipedia#The_basics_of_contributing.

Writing can be very challenging (especially this type of writing) and it can be very frustrating to have your initial attempts at an article creation be unsuccessful, however, I think that you should persevere. If you get frustrated with this initial article creation you could do other forms of editing on pages that you are interested in (for example, I frequently will read through sources already provided on pages to verify their authority, that they are secondary sources, and that the text that they justify accurately reflects the information within). However, you should copy and paste the code of your page into your own notes in case the draft gets deleted after inactivity in case you want to try again. Initially it's very common to have your good faith edits reverted, however, it is all just part of the process of learning what content is acceptable.

If you have more specific questions, please feel free to ask. Other editors will be better at giving you feedback on your article creation than me, but I am good at some forms of constructive feedback related to sources, technical issues (like the syntax of the wikitext code), among other things. Sincerely, Shashi Sushila Murray, (message me) 04:36, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Help with creating an article

Hi there,

I wanted to create an article on the brand called - BBazaar Malaysia, it is a financial comparison site and offers personal finance products. I'm associated with the brand so I cannot create this page and need help with creating this page. This brand has enough citations and satisfies the notability requirements. Any help in creating the article is highly appreciated. Theguyatmalaysia (talk) 05:17, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

@Theguyatmalaysia: First, you need to disclose your employment on your user page, per our terms of use and policy on paid editing. I've left instructions on how to do so on your user page. Even if you are not being directly paid by the company, because you have any association with them you need to disclose the employment as if you had been hired by them.

As for creating the article, you're going to have better luck seeing the page created if you create a valid draft:

1) Choose a topic whose notability is attested by discussions of it in several reliable independent sources.

2) Gather as many professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources you can find.

3) Focus on just the ones that are not dependent upon or affiliated with the subject, but still specifically about the subject and providing in-depth coverage (not passing mentions). If you do not have at least three such sources, the subject is not yet notable and trying to write an article at this point will only fail.

4) Summarize those sources left after step 3, adding citations at the end of them. You'll want to do this in a program with little/no formatting, like Microsoft Notepad or Notepad++, and not in something like Microsoft Word or LibreOffice Writer. Make sure this summary is just bare statement of facts, phrased in a way that even someone who hates the subject can agree with.

5) Combine overlapping summaries (without arriving at new statements that no individual source supports) where possible, repeating citations as needed.

6) Paraphrase the whole thing just to be extra sure you've avoided any copyright violations or plagiarism.

7) Use the Article wizard to post this draft and wait for approval.

8a) If the draft is not approved, there will be a reason given. Read it, think long and heard about it, and try to fix that problem. If you do not understand the reason, ask the user who reviewed the page to try to explain it in a different way or come back here and ask for what sort of specific steps would be needed to fix the problem. (We get a lot of people who just say "how do I get the article approved," which makes it hard to believe that they read the reason the article was rejected).

8b) If the article is approved, use edit requests on the article's talk page to suggest further changes. I would recommend citing some of the sources you put aside in step 3 to expand the article. Never directly edit the approved article, except to revert vandalism.

Doing something besides those steps typically results in the article not being approved, or even in its deletion. Ian.thomson (talk) 05:43, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Self-promotional autobiographical article

I stumbled onto this wiki article (W._Roy_Smythe) of an un-noteworthy person. He is a physician and businessman with no notable accomplishments. Not only that, but if you look at the page history, the article creator and most of the edits were done by a user named "Smythe3" who is most likely the subject of the article which is a clear conflict of interest. I'm inexperienced in wiki editing and don't know what the proper deletion procedure is (but he'll probably dispute any deletion attempt). I'll leave it to one of you to handle this. 24.16.20.197 (talk) 07:13, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Good find! I don't have the time to investigate if the article should be deleted, so for now I've tagged the article with {{BLP sources}}, {{COI}} and {{notability}}. Someone else who has more experience with this kind of issues will probably come along soon. Our deletion policy is available at WP:DEL if you want to learn more. rchard2scout (talk) 09:41, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Persistent. Smythe3 has been editing W_Roy_Smythe since 2006, and that is the only article Smythe3 edits. David notMD (talk) 09:47, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

I've nominated the article for deletion. Please feel free to comment and discuss here. Rosalina2427 ^{(talk to me)} 20:37, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

It's on a map, can I use a map as a citation?

I recently wanted to add some information to a page. It was only a sentence and I didn't cite it. Of course the sentence was removed and reverted back. I should have known better. The information was about a street named after someone. So my question is; Does a map image qualify as a legitimate citation? Here is the difference between revisions page.[4] Since it's a real estate developer that usually names a street, finding proof in a document seems impossible. But I could be wrong or missing something obvious. And also if anyone could tell me any other issue with that addition, I'm happy to hear it. I'm new and this is my first visit to the teahouse. Thanks in advance. Wikimikey423 07:16, 19 November 2018 (UT)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Wikimikey423. How do you know that this street in California is named after the British motorcycle and Formula One driver John Surtees? There are other people named Surtees after all, including a novelist and an historian. Please take a look at Surtees (disambiguation). Any information that you add must be verifiable and no editor is allowed to add their own original research to the encyclopedia. A reliable map could verify that the street exists, but not who the street is named for. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 07:30, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Delete a draft

Excuse me, know how I can delete a draft? I tried to create a new page about the new Zayn song Fingers but it already exists. Now I have to delete the draft, somebody what I have to put in the top of the page, please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ronaldo3455 (talk • contribs) 07:33, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Ronaldo3455. This is what we call speedy deletion. Please read the shortcut WP:G7 and place one of those templates at the top of your draft. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 07:43, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi Ronaldo3455. If you're the only person who has made any significant contributions to the draft, which seems to be the case with Draft:Fingers (song), then just add {{db-author}} to the top of the page and request that it be deleted per WP:G7. For future reference, you can't request that a draft be deleted using WP:PROD; you either have to use WP:CSD or WP:MFD. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:48, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

I need assistance

Can anyone help me to add archive boxes on talk page and add lower sigma bot for auto archive?  TheRedBox (Talk) 08:36, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

@TheRedBox: User:Lowercase sigmabot III/Archive HowTo explains how to set up archiving on your talk page. Regards SoWhy 10:33, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

• @SoWhy: I did at mine talk page. Could you please check once?  TheRedBox (Talk) 12:42, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

  @TheRedBox: Looks correct afaict, although counter = 15 should be counter = 1 since that variable tells the bot which /Archive # to use at the moment and you have no archives yet. Regards SoWhy 13:33, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

" @SoWhy: I set 15 to 1 and yes i dont have any archive page yet.so, bot will automatically create archive page for me or i should create archive myself?  TheRedBox (Talk) 13:44, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

@TheRedBox: If everything is set correctly, the bot will archive your talk page it its next run (which is usually around 4.00 to 5.00 UTC if I recall correctly), including the creation of archive subpages that don't exist yet. So just wait and see. =) Regards SoWhy 14:24, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Oliveboard (November 17)

Wikipedia URL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Oliveboard

Please help me to improve this article. As this my first article, How can I submit this? The given comments have doubts.

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of organizations and companies). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

The comment the reviewer left was: References are all brief mentions, general announcements, or from unreliable sources. I find the same with a search of Google News. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abhishekkramesh (talk • contribs) 09:30, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse Abhishekkramesh. As the reviewer told you, in order to qualify for an article in Wikipedia, a subject needs references to significant coverage in reliable sources. See Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) for a guideline. Are you saying you can't find such coverage? If it does not exist, then Oliveboard would not yet be notable enough for an article. —teb728 t c 11:09, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Abhishekkramesh, please read the essay No amount of editing can overcome a lack of notability. --ColinFine (talk) 16:30, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi TEb728, The company is very famous in India. The issue I found that, reference was placed with wrong text contents. Thanks for the info..--Abhishekkramesh (talk) 09:47, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Abhishekkramesh. Welcome to Wikipedia and thank you for your edits. I think that you might find constructive feedback in a related conversation with another editor here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#please_help_me_to_improve_Draft:Tatsuo_Yamada_(karate) One of the Teahouse hosts gave feedback for an editor who is using sources in Japanese. You might want to work on the article on another language version of Wikipedia: https://www.wikipedia.org/ You can change the language version from there and there are many other languages to choose if you click "Read Wikipedia in your language". However, in the conversation that I linked to you will also see guidelines (with strong warnings) about how to use non-English sources on English Wikipedia (and the increased likelihood that the content may be challenged and lack someone to defend it if you are not around to provide a translation for an editor who challenges you). Sincerely, Shashi Sushila Murray, (message me) 04:51, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Hello

Hey everyone. I have just gone into early retirement after a career in the sciences and emigrated to Spain in a bid to Brexit proof myself. A friend recommended I give Wikipedia a try but introduce myself here first. So here I am. Does anyone have any easy science pages they want editing by any chance? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ex pat pete (talk • contribs) 10:22, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

@Ex pat pete: Hi and welcome to Wikipedia. We hope you enjoy your time here. I left you some useful links for beginners on your talk page. If you want to help out in specific areas, we have "WikiProjects" to coordinate such efforts with like-minded editors. Depending on the science in question, you can find an appropriate project at Wikipedia:SCIENCE#Parentage and related WikiProjects. Most such projects have lists of tasks that need doing and also list of editors who are active in this field and happy to help you with any questions. Regards SoWhy 10:32, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Thank you very much. I will check them out and get stuck in. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ex pat pete (talk • contribs) 10:50, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Sign your comments here and on the Talk pages of articles by typing four of ~.

Many scientists start by looking at topics they know from their own education and career. As for where work is needed - everywhere! However, if you click on Talk for individual articles, the top banner should show a relative quality ranking: Stub, Start, C-Class, B-Class, Good Article, Featured Article. Stubs and Starts are good places to see where lots of improvement is needed. By the way, improvement can include removing content that is wrong or not relevant. I hope you find topics that interest you. David notMD (talk) 13:57, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

I’ve been dying to learn the answer to Talk:Saline_water#Boiling_temperature. MBG02 (talk) 12:43, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Need help with an article

Hi,

I wrote an article and it was declined by AfC. Legacypac said, I could ask for help here.

This is the article: Draft:Zenkit.

Zenkit is a project management software with a coverage all over the world. It's in the German Wikipedia in the meantime because there are more press articles which I could use (I used German and English press).

Because I'm in a conflict of interest, I need help with this article. I would be happy about any advice. --Jessica Lu. (talk) 11:21, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Citing sources: work/publisher wikilinks & archive services

Hi, I started wiki editing in January this year so I'm quite a newcomer but I like to think that I've made a good contribution, just under 4,000 edits. One thing I'm interested in is what I call "Ref. maintenance" which basically means checking that cited sources are sound, with working links, correct titles, and all other parameters defined as appropriate. A couple of things have come up that I'm not sure about. Please can you advise.

(1) What's the consensus on providing wikilinks for works/publishers in citations? For example, is it sufficient for the citation to include the term "work=The New York Times" or is it preferrable to put "work=[[The New York Times]]"? I think it's useful to provide the link because if the reader is unsure about the originator of the source, they can easily check the relevant article to learn a little about the company behind the source, if they are interested. I've recently met with some opposition to this, but I don't think there's anything wrong with providing the link where it's available, expecially for lesser known newspapers such as the Lewiston Morning Tribune or The Manchester Guardian (for example). In this second example, the link provides the reader with the opportunity to learn that The Manchester Guardian was a previous incarnation of The Guardian newspaper, which they might not otherwise have known or been able to easily find out without doing their own manual search. The guidance on this just says "may be wikilinked if relevant", which is a bit ambiguous, but at least it doesn't say "generally not wikilinked" so I'm assuming that it is preferable to provide the link whenever there's a related wiki article available.

(2) Where do we stand with webcitation.org archives at the moment? I've always used the Wayback Machine for archiving purposes, but I've recently come across some articles that exclusively use webcitation for archiving everything, including newspaper articles, commercial websites, etc. I thought this was discouraged. I think webcitation can be unreliable and I'm currently unable to open any of the archives, I just keep getting a time-out error saying "This site can’t be reached" which is originating from the other end.

I'd really appreciate some input as I'm a bit flumoxed at the moment and the backbone of Wikipedia is the provision of clear/reliable sources. Thanks. Rodney Baggins (talk) 12:08, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi Rodney Baggins. I'm glad to see someone taking care of references.

(1) From what I've seen putting wikilinks in citations is a matter of taste. Some editors always do it, others never, leading to issues. See the discussion here from back in July: Wikipedia talk:Citing sources/Archive 45#Guideline on wikilinks within citations. When editing its best to go along with the existing style in the article.

(2) The variety of archiving services is covered at Wikipedia:Citing sources/Further considerations and Template:Webarchive. There is also Wikipedia:Using WebCite, and the talk page there shows that it is sometimes unavailable. I don't think you need to follow the "archiving" style of an article. In some cases it may be that the Wayback machine doesn't accept pages that other archiving sites do.

Hope this helps. StarryGrandma (talk) 14:48, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks StarryGrandma, that's useful information. I can appreciate that "to link or not to link" can be a matter of taste, but it would be good to have some concrete guidance on it in the MOS, for the sake of keeping things consistent. However, I definitely think there should be some consistency within any particular article – my case in point would be Walt Disney, where I quite innocently tried adding links for works and publishers yesterday, then someone immediately reverted my edits saying it was unnecessary, but they failed to notice that half of them are already linked anyway, hence the suite of references for that article is currently sitting in a woefully inconsistent state, which just messes with my head! This might be a small problem in the grand scheme of things, but I happen to think consistency is very important!

As for WebCite, I was under the impression that it wasn't supposed to be used for everything, and it has reliability issues. In fact, I haven't been able to access it at all today. Please can you confirm that WebCite is currently down or is it just me? This isn't very useful and I'd much prefer to use the Wayback Machine to grab snapshots of articles where you wouldn't normally want or need to access any non-archived sublinks anyway.

Rodney Baggins (talk) 17:53, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

HOW TO UPLOAD MEDIA FILES WITH LESS HASSLE

Hi, I wish to know how I can get my photos approved upon uploading them. I understand that all my photos need to be original and I never upload any file I did't create myself. I still get my uploads rejected immediately I make them. How do I walk around this difficulty? — Preceding unsigned comment added by NetSpread30 (talk • contribs)

Hi NetSpread30, welcome to the Teahouse. Your account has no uploads. What does the photos depict, how do you try to upload them, and what happens? PrimeHunter (talk) 13:41, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

I tried to upload but it was rejected — Preceding unsigned comment added by NetSpread30 (talk • contribs) 14:12, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

@NetSpread30: Many things could have happened. The main reason for complications is that Wikipedia cares about copyright and many users upload copyrighted images. This is hard to check automatically, and Wikimedia Commons has 50 million uploads. I found [5]. Try uploading with commons:Special:UploadWizard instead. Remove spaces before the file type. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:43, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Article submission / banned editor

Hi there. I recently submitted the following entry to Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Unit_Editions) but have discovered it was rejected. I am happy to re-edit the entry and fulfil the criteria. But I clicked on the name of the user (Frayae) who reviewed the entry and it appears they are banned and blocked indefinitely! The name above is apparently "a sock puppet of A Den Jentyl Ettien Avel Dysklyver... and it has been blocked indefinitely." As I say, I'm happy to edit the entry again, but how can the above user reject it when they are banned or suspended? Is there an appeal process in light of this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MarkSinclairUnit (talk • contribs) 13:45, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Frayae rejected your submission on 14 Nov and was banned as sockpuppet on 15 Nov. You can resubmit, but I can tell you that your draft will be rejected again. None of the citations appear to be about Unit Editions in any significant way. A list of books published by Unit Editions has no place in the article. David notMD (talk) 14:05, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict)A Den Jentyl Ettien Avel Dysklyver is a long-term abuse and Frayae is one of their sock puppets. Frayae was blocked after they've review the submission. They cannot edit after being globally locked ―Abelmoschus Esculentus 14:06, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

You have put a COI notice on your User page, but is your relationship with Unit_Editions actually one of being paid? Meaning are you an owner or employee? Paid consultant? If so, you need to change your declaration. David notMD (talk) 19:20, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Computer Tech Services of Overland Park, KS

I want to write a Wikipedia article about this company. I have reasonable sources that are up to date, and it is very close by to where I live. (it is literally in my neighborhood)

If you want, we can go check it out for ourselves. But, just in case, here is the address:

10010 W 91st St, Overland Park, KS 66212

And here are two sources I found:

http://places.singleplatform.com/computer-tech-services/menu?ref=google

https://www.overlandparkcomputerrepairs.org/About

Thank you for your time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GranolaDaOne (talk • contribs) 2018-11-19T14:50:42 (UTC)

Hello, GranolaDaOne, and welcome to Wikipedia and to the Teahouse. Thank you for wanting to help us improve the encyclopaedia. However, there are a couple of things I want to tell you. First, is that writing a new article isn't the only way, or necessarily the best way, to improve Wikipedia. We have many thousands of articles which are in desperate need of some work; and creating a new article that gets accepted is one of the harder tasks - I always advise new editors to spend a few weeks or months getting to know Wikipedia before they try it.

Secondly, it's great that you are thinking about sources straight away - that puts you head and shoulders above many would-be article creators, who start writing from what they know, instead of what the sources say. But unfortunately, neither of those sources is very useful. Wikipedia has little interest in anything which a subject says about themselves, whether on their own website, in a directory, or in a press release. An article should be based almost entirely on what people who have no connection with the subject have chosen to publish about the subject - and if there is little or nothing published that meets that description, then it is impossible to write an acceptable article on them: the Wikipedia jargon for that is that the subject is not notable. Most small businesses, anywhere in the world, are not notable, in Wikipedia's terms, and we do not (or should not) have articles about them.

I suggest you read your first article, even if you take my advice and don't try to create one yet. If you want to find existing articles about your area that need attention, you could look through the articles in Category:Overland Park, Kansas; and you might want to join WP:WikiProject Kansas. --ColinFine (talk) 16:52, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Tom Munro restoration request

Hello,

I'm a new editor, and I've been attempting to build an entry for a well known fashion photographer called Tom Munro, I've made three attempts so far without success becuase my references have been weak. I've now obtained better references but my draft has been deleted though I haven't updated it for six months.

I found my entry in my History and have made the changes.

Please could you restore the the Draft:Tom Munro to my Sandbox so that I can resubmit it?

With thanks, Jaz Kilmister — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaz Kilmister (talk • contribs) 15:18, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

--Jaz Kilmister (talk) 16:15, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

The draft seems to be still there at Draft:Tom Munro. There's no need to move it back to a sandbox unless you are planning to ignore it for another six months. Dbfirs 17:09, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

It had been deleted, but the OP asked for the draft to be restored, and it was restored yesterday. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:50, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, I wondered if that was what had happened, but there is no record of that in the history. Dbfirs 07:35, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Easily missed. The history has a link to the logs. --David Biddulph (talk) 09:18, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Oh yes, found it now. The article was restored the day before the above request. Dbfirs 10:19, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

how?

How can I find the text I was working on in a draft publication (Trumpism) when an editor came over and hastily deleted the entire page and an hour worth of work? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Seanhempseed (talk • contribs) 16:23, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

The place to make this request is WP:RFU. However based on this thread User talk:Writ Keeper#Why did you delete Trumpism? Did you read the talk page? Or my contest against speedy deletion? Writ Keeper has given you good reasons why it won't be restored. Please see several of the items at WP:NOT. MarnetteD|Talk 16:39, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

(ec) I happened to see your draft before it was deleted, and it was basically an unsourced WP:ATTACKPAGE. I would not expect any administrator to restore it. There are already articles about Donald Trump and the veracity of statements by Donald Trump which you are welcome to improve, as long as your can edit from a neutral point of view. shoy (reactions) 16:42, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for taking the time to make me a better editor! I don't need it restored, I just don't want to be banned for working on it as Writ Keeper threatened he/she/it would do. Where can I "restore" the page for ten seconds, without being banned, where I can work on making it more neutral? Where should I be having this conversation? Seanhempseed (talk) 17:18, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Honestly, I would start over. Start by reading Your First Article, and follow the advice there. Any page you create must be neutrally worded and include references to reliable sources. I would also point out that by nature, politics is a contentious area to be editing in, and if your only purpose here is having an axe to grind, then Wikipedia might not be the right place for you. shoy (reactions) 19:41, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

As an administrator, I can and did read your deleted draft, Seanhempseed, and I agree 100% with its deletion. Please read and study the neutral point of view which is a core content policy. As that policy says, "This policy is non-negotiable, and the principles upon which it is based cannot be superseded by other policies or guidelines, nor by editor consensus." Your draft was most definitely not neutral and was a strident advocacy piece. Personally, I am opposed to Trump and express my opinions about him openly on social media platforms but not on Wikipedia. Please also read What Wikipedia is not, which says "Wikipedia is not for advocacy, propaganda, or recruitment of any kind: commercial, political, scientific, religious, national, sports-related, or otherwise." Your draft most certainly was political advocacy and that simply isn't allowed on Wikipedia. The bottom line is that this content is simply not appropriate for Wikipedia and will not be allowed on this website. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 00:10, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

thank you one and all. I will begin again in my sandbox. I am not trying to advocate, I am trying to build a quality article. I will work to be neutral. 2601:199:880:14C5:756B:3FC8:1FFC:1EF2 (talk) 06:40, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Should the accused killer's age be listed?

Malcolm X in 1964

I was pondering about an edit dispute from several months ago that I walked away from, but it's been at the back of my head since. In this scenario, say an alleged shooter—between the ages of 19 to 23—assassinates someone very notable in his 50s or older, someone who is an ideological peer, rival and/or opponent. Should the accused killer's age be listed? I, approaching everything from the perspective of a reader, think it does. I would certainly want to know that tidbit of information when reading the article; to me it's no different than any other noteworthy point about a person's background, because it provides a level of context (into the mentality of the perpetrator) to the reader.

Certainly, this would be backed up with citation. But what do you do when someone is adamant in opposing it by comparing it to other 'trivial' details such as height and whatnot (which I find to be a false equivalence). Or by claiming that it's a detail that needs to be extensively discussed in books—which I presume it isn't, but that doesn't mean no book mentions the age, and who says books are the only source? (books are just one form of POV, but I was attempting to use a New York Times article reporting of the day of the incident). Sticking with DUEWEIGHT, even its mention would be a mere span of three or four words and not an entire paragraph or more, so it falls under DUE and NYT is certainly a RS in itself barring someone can prove the article is factually incorrect.

What are your thoughts on something like this? DA1 (talk) 17:40, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Hello DA1, and welcome to the Teahouse. Interesting question, and one that probably has to be answered in the context of the article and the proposed edits. It took some searching, but you're clearly referring to this edit you made on the page about Malcolm X and relating to his murder in 1965. I see from that page's archive that you did engage in a good discussion. Personally, I think knowing the age of someone's assassin is often relevant to their article, and it seems not unreasonable to include that, assuming it's well cited. This is especially true as the article does expand on their subsequent lives/roles. But I do think you tried to include too much trivial information in your edit, in what is already a long and detailed article, so it doesn't surprise me that it was twice rejected. Sometimes walking away for a good while does help give clarity and a chance to cool down, so you did the right thing. But I see no reason why you shouldn't go back to the talk page, ping the involved editors, and mention that you'd simply like to include the ages of his killers at that time, and supply the citation, and see what support you get. I'd suggest you quote the actual text you'd like to use so that editors know that you aren't going to repeat the insertion of too much information. Bear in mind this is a personal view, and that consensus from involved editors on the appropriate page is what's important here. Does this help? Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 02:33, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Is there a Wikipedia report of external links?

Is there a way to get a report from Wikipedia of all outbound links going to a certain URL? For instance, I'd like to know all articles that link to a URL with the format: arcweb.sos.state.or.us We moved to a new URL structure and this is the old, legacy site so any links need updating. — Preceding unsigned comment added by EmmaSno (talk • contribs) 18:27, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Hello EmmaSno and welcome to the Teahouse! Yes, we do have a tool that searches for external links. According to Special:LinkSearch, there are 232 pages that link to arcweb.sos.state.or.us. That's quite a few pages, so if you think they need to be changed it should be done with an automated tool. You can ask for help with that at WP:BOTREQ. --AntiCompositeNumber (talk) 18:33, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Thank you! That is exactly what I was looking for. (@AntiCompositeNumber:)

@AntiCompositeNumber: Thank you for that helpful answer. I wasn't aware of that tool myself, so it's always good to learn something new here. Many thanks, Nick Moyes (talk) 12:47, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

How to remove lead color boxes that "biography does not include references" and "needs more links to other articles"

To the Reader, HELP!,

The wiki page is amazingly complex, not intuitive, and gives "aid" in the form of very, very detailed suggestions that clearly must be understandable only to the cognesitti who wrote them. Take pity on the computer knuckle walkers who do word, illustration programs, email, etc., but have a problem with wiki with such concepts as the seemingly "nested" "{{ }}" comments. What is "{{ }},", etc.?

Wiki should be no more difficult than a Word program!

1) What I want to do for "ed landing wiki" is have my several internet references counted now after several weeks. Stating that my page has "no references" is incorrect! The "references" are right under the references.

2) There are a number of "links to other articles" already, but the wiki banner at the top of the page asks for "more." My wiki page has more "links" (about 6) than many other wiki pages,so what is missing?

3) It is also completely unclear to me from any of the lengthy, detailed, prolix assistance pages, how one makes a "link"!

4) How do I get rid of the colored banners at the top of "ed landing wiki" that I DO have references and that there are INDEED links.

I would appreciate help with a "clean looking" "wiki ed landing page."

Best, and all help appreciated. Please read my page, all I have is simple straight information given by a living person (me).

Dr. Ed Landing, New York State Paleontologist, emeritus, New York State Museum, Albany, NY 12203 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.248.115.164 (talk • contribs)

Note: The above refers to the article Ed Landing. Deor (talk) 19:44, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

 Note: Left {{uw-coi}} on IP's talk page. JTP ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:53, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

I started to do some general article clean up, and started a discussion on the talk page Talk:Ed_Landing#Article_repair,_pinging_admin_for_expertise, where I pinged admin DGG, for his BLP expertise. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:08, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Another user, Elanding, also extensively edited this article. That user also claims to be the article's subject. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 20:29, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi there Ed. (67.248.115.164, and possibly also Elanding) Welcome to the Teahouse. As a retired museum curator myself, I'd be happy to help you understand the basics of Wikipedia editing, assuming, that is, that you're genuinely interested in sharing you palaentological expertise across other articles here, rather than simply trying to edit the one page about yourself. We call that a Conflict of Interest, and we ask editors of articles to declare any connection according to the policy I've just linked to, and supply any relevant information and to make an 'edit request' (see WP:EDITREQ on the article's Talk Page for a non-involved editor to add. (I recently 'adopted' another retired professional geologist - BrucePL - who, rather brilliantly, now wants to share his expertise with others here, and who similarly found some of our methods a little more akin to editing in Wordstar than MS Word, and has also had to change his approach from writing primary scientific publications, to encyclopaedia-writing which generally ignores primary sources and prefers to base content upon published secondary sources.) If other hosts here haven't yet addressed all your above questions (and some have already started work to improve the page), I'll attempt to do so in a follow-up reply below (but am on a mobile, so replying is slow work). It would also be preferable for you to sign in with one registered user account, rather than under one or more anonymous IP addresses, as comments and support can be more usefully given on that page. I will leave my replies on both user pages. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 20:47, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

OK Ed, so, as promised earlier, a few replies to your numbered questions/frustrations above:

1. Whilst you - or someone undoubtedly added references, they were not only inserted in the wrong place, but they did not support the 'factual' statements in the article, so it would be quite appropriate to flag the article for a lack of sources. We don't work on presence or absence of references - we seek inline citations to support each and every statement. We don't care what a subject happens to know or say about itself on some LinkedIn or ResearchGate page, though we accept upon biographies on University websites, even if they have been written by the staff member in question, as we assume these have editorial oversight. (Whilst I'm not suggesting at all that you've made anything up about yourself, other people do, and some do it quite shamelessly. So for that reason we treat everything that a subject says about itself as unacceptable, and we ignore self-published blogs and social networks). The references provided do not evidence statements about your education or career, or the list of awards, although I finally managed to find a correct reference for your entry on ResearchGate, which I will add to 'External links'. It's important to understand that once an inline citation is properly inserted, it automatically appears in the 'References' section - so please don't try to type it in there yourself, as you might expect to do with a paper drafted in MS Word. To learn how to insert inline citations correctly, I'd suggest you read and follow advice given in Help:Referencing for beginners, or even this easy-to-follow tutorial.
2. The template asking for more links should be pretty self-explanatory I'm sorry it wasn't. We expect the first use of key words in articles to be linked internally to other articles, thus allowing people who don't know what a geologist or palaeontologist is, or which country the University of Wisconsin is in, or to find out more about the U. S. Geological Survey. As for the "U-Pb geochronology of the oldest metazoans, the biostratigraphy of the Early Paleozoic", what terms do you suggest we should link to?
3. You add internal links to other key articles in one of two ways, depending on which of our two editing tools you have chosen to use. In our more complex-looking source editor, you simply type two square brackets either side of the word about which you want to link to. Obviously it has to exist as an article already e.g. [[bracket]]s was how I created the link you've just read. Alternatively, in Visual Editor, simply highlight the term you want to link to, then click the 'link' icon in the editing toolbar and click to select the appropriate target name, or start typing the page name you want, and it will autofill with suggestions for you to choose from.
4. You asked how you remove the templates from the top of the article. Put simply, you don't. Or, at least, one only does that once the issues flagged up have been addressed, and they clearly haven't yet. However, I will do a bit of more tweaking, which Timtempleton has helpfully started.

Finally, you ended your post here by saying "all I have is simple straight information given by a living person (me).". Although I would love to help you to contribute effectively to any number of geological articles here (and to do so by helping you citing reliable secondary sources), I would ask you not to edit the article about yourself, and never to add any content to any article without it being supported by a citation - especially one about yourself. As already mentioned, put an 'edit request' on the talk page and wait until another editors acts upon your request. You might like to read WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY to help you understand more. Should you want to contact me for practical support on editing articles linked to your area of skills, feel free to contact me via my User Talk Page - just click 'Add Topic' and leave me a note, or suggest additions you would like to see made. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 01:24, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

My first article for my Organisation

Hi everyone, Few days back i wrote my first article for my Organisation and the article it self is by the name of my Organisation, but some how it does not conform with some of the Wikipedia policies and i wish to know few things; 1) Does i have authority to write an article for my organisation, to whom i'm working for as an employee? 2) The article goes under tagline speedy deletion, why? 3) Its not advertising, its actually informing people regarding our camp but Wikipedia denies to retain it. I choose to add it on Wikipedia as people as us about the details on wikipedia but sadly we are not able to add them?? any alternate suggestions to add them on wikki ? 4) Does i have to declare myself as i'm working for the organisation to keep that page on wikipedia?

TYIA for the suggestions — Preceding unsigned comment added by Writetobharatbalalido (talk • contribs) 07:28, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

@Writetobharatbalalido:

1) From Wikipedia's perspective, you working for that organization does not give you the authority to write the article. Working for that organization means you have a conflict of interest.

2) As was already explained on your talk page, the draft was tagged for speedy deletion because it was promoting the subject. Also, I'm certain you just copied the text from the organization's website, even though Wikipedia does not have the copyright for that text.

3) "Informing people regarding our camp" is promoting the camp.

4) Yes, you need to declare that you are an employee of the organization on your user page. I will leave instructions on [[User talk:Writetobharatbalalido|your user talk page (which you need to check).

You can still start another draft if you follow these steps:

1) Make sure Hail Himalayas's notability is attested by discussions of it in several reliable independent sources.

2) Gather as many professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources you can find.

3) Focus on just the ones that are not dependent upon or affiliated with the subject, but still specifically about the subject and providing in-depth coverage (not passing mentions). If you do not have at least three such sources, the subject is not yet notable and trying to write an article at this point will only fail.

4) Summarize those sources left after step 3, adding citations at the end of them. You'll want to do this in a program with little/no formatting, like Microsoft Notepad or Notepad++, and not in something like Microsoft Word or LibreOffice Writer. Make sure this summary is just bare statement of facts, phrased in a way that even someone who hates the subject can agree with.

5) Combine overlapping summaries (without arriving at new statements that no individual source supports) where possible, repeating citations as needed.

6) Paraphrase the whole thing just to be extra sure you've avoided any copyright violations or plagiarism.

7) Use the Article wizard to post this draft and wait for approval.

8a) If the draft is not approved, read the reasons given there and fix the problem. Do not bother arguing, it will only waste your time.

8b) If the article is approved, do not edit the article. Go to the article's talk page and make edit requests if any further changes need to be made.

Doing something besides those steps typically results in the article not being approved, or even in its deletion. Ian.thomson (talk) 07:48, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Ian.thomson (talk) 07:48, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi Writetobharatbalalido and welcome to the Teahouse. Yes, you must comply with the requirement at WP:PAID since you are employed by the organisation. It is not possible to write a Wikipedia article for any organisation, but if the organisation is WP:Notable then it will be possible for someone to write an article about the organisation. Since you have a WP:Conflict of interest, it might be better if you requested an article at WP:Requested articles, or suggested improvements to the article on its talk page. Please note that the organisation will not be able to control what is written about it on Wikipedia because this is an encyclopaedia, not a publicity website. To help someone to write an article, you could find some independent WP:Reliable sources in which the organisation has been written about at length. The Wikipedia article should be a summary of these independent sources. Dbfirs 07:54, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Writetobharatbalalido: you need to read your own talk page. Maproom (talk) 09:41, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Adding a page "Artists For Trump Coalition"

Dear Wikipedia volunteers, First let me thank you for your time and effort. It is much appreciated. I have attempted to write a brief page about “Artists For Trump Coalition”. I don’t think it worked as I can’t find it on en.wikipedia.org What am I doing wrong? It’s probably better if someone else writes this brief, how do I get that to happen?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Bigbillywham

Best, Bigbillywham — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bigbillywham (talk • contribs) 11:33, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

@Bigbillywham: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You created the page on your user page, which is not article space- that's why it can't be found. You would need to move it into the main space with an appropriate title in order for it to be seen. However, your draft is a long ways from that point. You will need significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources in order for this organization to merit an article. If you are associated with this organization, you are correct that it would be best if you didn't write about it, as you have a conflict of interest, and allowed an independent editor who takes note of your organization to do so. That would be a strong indicator that it meets the notability guidelines for organizations. It is permitted for you to submit a draft using Articles for Creation, where it would then be reviewed by an independent editor. You will still need more sources and more text about the organization; any such article should only be based on what the independent sources state and include little if any information from primary sources. 331dot (talk) 11:41, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Notability issues

Hello, I am trying to get an article (Richard Lawson - Humanitarian) published in some form on wiki. It has been rejected twice for not meeting notability criteria. The trouble is, whilst this person can be linked via financial and legal documents to all the charities he has founded and managed, these don't count to prove notability and the character of most humanitarians is that they don't court publicity! Do I conclude that, despite spending decades raising money for and supporting the needy, this person is simply not the sort of profile that is ever accepted by Wiki?

If so, my second approach is to ask for tips on how to ensure he is mentioned and remembered in another way. I had read something about creating a "merged" article with a current, published page? but I since cant' find out how to do it. Is that an option? A charity he ran, JDF, has a page outlining the US operation (where it began). My subject founded the UK arm of the charity so could I perhaps use this to create a merged page about the charity and then more about him?

Please advise! I am so lost.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by TroopyGirl (talk • contribs) 14:04, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

@TroopyGirl: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm sorry that you have had difficulty. I would have to say that I agree with the reviewers who declined your draft. This person does not seem to have the significant coverage needed to merit an article that complies with WP:BIO, the notability guidelines. Please understand that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia that only summarizes what independent reliable sources state about article subjects. If independent sources do not have in depth coverage of a subject, it doesn't merit an article here, regardless of any good work that they do or any other reason. Wikipedia is not a place to memorialize people or what they do. If you just want to tell the world about this person and the good work that they do, you may wish to create a social media page about them, or start a blog where you write about them and can say whatever you want. You may find such an alternative place at this page.

You might be able to create an article about the UK branch of the charity, or somehow expand the article about the US branch to be more international in scope, but such edits would still require independent sources with indepth coverage. 331dot (talk) 14:14, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

about image upload

i want to just know that how i can upload an image on my new article — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aryan29bishnoi (talk • contribs) 14:24, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Sign your comments by typing four of ~ at the end.

Appears Aryan29bishnoi is referring to Draft:Mukam — Preceding unsigned comment added by David notMD (talk • contribs) 16:18, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Aryan29bishnoi, you don't upload a photo to an article. Instead, you may upload a photo that you have taken to Wikimedia Commons using the upload wizard, which is linked on every page. Then you link to the photo using image markup, which we can explain after you get the image uploaded. Note that the photo has to have been taken by yourself, not given to you by another to use or lifted from any website or publication, and in order for it to be used here, you must license it under a compatible license to ours (CC BY-SA 3.0 License). This essentially releases any control you will ever have over the use of the photo anywhere, not just here.

That being said, your draft has much more serious problems than lacking a photo. In its present state, it will never be accepted into the encyclopedia. Wikipedia is not a place to write about things you know about. Everything here must be paraphrased from a reliable source, and those sources need to be cited. John from Idegon (talk) 19:24, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Improper use of the term "Democratic"

This is a common error that many make, and probably we all have said it ourselves... but when looking up "Stacey Abrams", who just ran for Governor in Georgia, Wikipedia showed her political affiliation to be "Democratic". Her party affiliation should be "Democrat". It is not the "Democratic" party... it is the "Democrat" party. I hear news anchors using the term improperly on a fairly regular basis. Please advise if I am somehow incorrect, but I believe that you will find this to be true.

Thank you,

Paul Peck — Preceding unsigned comment added by 8.5.252.101 (talk) 14:55, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

You probably want to tell the Democratic Party that, as they appear not to be aware. If you can persuade them to change the name of their party, we'll change the way we refer to them. ‑ Iridescent 15:08, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Indeed; Paul, I'm afraid you are in error. In fact, "Democrat Party" is usually used as an epithet. 331dot (talk) 15:13, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

The use of Democratic as political adjective does sound odd to those not familiar with that party, but it has been so used for two centuries. The OED has "U.S. Politics. Usually with capital initial. Of, relating to, or supporting the Democratic Party" with many cites back to 1802. The noun "Democratics" is much older (from 1659). Dbfirs 16:21, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Drafts

How can the public view my draft? Is there anything I should do so that public can see what I contribute? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kvs15501 (talk • contribs) 16:43, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Hello Kvs15501 and welcome to the Teahouse. Your draft, Draft:Indian Locomotive Class WDP-3A, is not yet ready to be widely seen in the main part of Wikipedia. It contains no references at all, so we have no way of knowing how factually correct or significant the locomotive is. It is mostly just an unsupported specification list. Once you have improved it by adding reliable sources, you can submit it for review by adding {{subst:submit}} to the top of the article. Hope this helps, Nick Moyes (talk) 18:54, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Hello Kvs15501, and welcome to the Teahouse! "The public" can see your draft at Draft:Indian Locomotive Class WDP-3A, but I'm guessing you're more wondering how to make it an actual WP-article. That may or may not be possible, start by taking the time to read Wikipedia:Your first article and Help:Referencing for beginners and improve your draft based on that. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:40, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Question

Is there any way that I can edit articles that need fixing like grammar? So It will just be like the experience of me creating an account for the first time and the software chooses an article for me to work on? Question at the top thanks--I love rpgs (talk) 18:13, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

@I love rpgs: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You are welcome to fix any grammar or other issues you find in articles. You can find such articles that need work by visiting the Community Portal, or you can use the search bar to find articles about topics that interest you. 331dot (talk) 18:19, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Hello, I love rpgs. Wikignomes are very welcome. But unless you are familiar with different varieties of English, (US, UK, Australian, etc) have a look at WP:ENGVAR. Sometimes people think they're correcting the grammar or spelling when actually it's fine in the variety of English the article happens to be written in. --ColinFine (talk) 22:09, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

actors articles

Hi, first of all my native language isn't english so I am sorry if I make mistakes.I love tv shows and I always search wikipedia to find informations about the show and the actors. I was reading the page about A Discovery Of Witches and I noticed that some of the actors are missing and some of them do not have a page here, so I wanted to create one but it seems very complicated to me so I wanted to know if someone could help or make the articles. I do not work for the production or any of these actors. thank you in advance.Valeria — Preceding unsigned comment added by Valeriaorl77 (talk • contribs) 19:38, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Daniel Ezra as Nathaniel Wilson and Freddie Thorpe as Matthieu Beny arethe only actors listed who do not already have a Wikipedia article about them (absence of blue Wikilink). Your best chance at finding an interested editor would be to go to View history for the article, see the User names of people who have contributed to the article, an leave a message on their Talk. David notMD (talk) 20:05, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Thank you. I will do, I know there are at least three actors that are not listed

• Julian Kostov as Timur
• Rorie Stokton as Timothy
• Leo Ashizawa as Osamu

I know I can edit the article but I don't know how to cite the source, is imdb ok as source? I follow the production's social media accout and they were announced as cast members but don't know how a cource should be. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Valeriaorl77 (talk • contribs) 21:42, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Sign your comments by typing four of ~ at the end.

IMDb not considered a valid source, because anyone can create/change content. David notMD (talk) 01:29, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

article declined at Articles for Creation

Dear people at Teahouse,

I submitted an article on Wikipedia about myself. In order for me to get this sorted on my YouTube account, I need a Wikipedia page. That is why I am trying to create one.

I am an independent singer-songwriter from Amsterdam and don't have a Wikipedia page yet. However, I created one and it got declined I was wondering if you could help me out with the article. I'm new to this so I'm not sure what I am doing wrong. I got the message from the person that declined the article, that my citation in the article isn't correct. Also, that person mentioned that the article does not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject.

This is the link to my submission: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Macarena_de_Bie#Submission_article_about_Macarena_de_Bie

I hope you can help me out with this! Thank you in advance,

Macarena — Preceding unsigned comment added by Macarenamusic (talk • contribs) 20:36, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

@Macarenamusic: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The first issue with your draft that I see is that you have no independent reliable sources in it. As an encyclopedia, Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources state about articles subjects that are notable as Wikipedia defines it. For musicians, that is defined at WP:BAND. You need to meet at least one of the criteria listed there to merit a Wikipedia article. If you don't, then you can't have an article. Please understand that not every musician merits a Wikipedia article. Wikipedia has (frankly) no interest in what an article subject wants to say about themselves, nor is it concerned with what other websites might require. This sounds harsh, and I don't mean it that way at all, but that's the way things are. 331dot (talk) 20:44, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

@Macarenamusic: Also, you said this in your draft edit summary: "There wasn't a page created for this artist in Amsterdam. So as her manager I created one about her." So who are you? The artist or her manager? If you are two people sharing an account, that's a violation of policy. If you're the manager acting alone, then you're impersonating your client with your comments above.

I see that your account has been blocked. Let this be a lesson that you may never use Wikipedia for the purposes of promotion or publicity. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 21:39, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

@Drm310: The phrase, "Let this be a lesson", comes off as rather rude. Please don't bite the new editors. They created the article in Draft space, so they were at least trying to follow the rules. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 01:26, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Macarenamusic. I added a welcome message on your talk page that provides a lot of explanatory material that will make it easier for you to understand what everyone is explaining to you. Sincerely, Shashi Sushila Murray, (message me) 01:23, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Changing title of existing page

Hi,

I've done this before, but can't remember how. There is a page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sleeping_Clergyman on the play "A Sleeping Clergyman" which has been wrongly titled "The Sleeping Clergyman", and I'd like to change it. If anyone knows how to retitle, could you please help. Ref: https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Z2mYAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA305&lpg=PA305&dq=a+sleeping+clergyman+1933+london+stage+a+calendar+of+productions&source=bl&ots=mNgLrlaFpz&sig=Hf5LxgR5Cm-e5aIfWschDVz6LdM&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjB3uHX5uPeAhXLB8AKHb0mC6sQ6AEwC3oECAcQAQ#v=onepage&q=a%20sleeping%20clergyman%201933%20london%20stage%20a%20calendar%20of%20productions&f=false

Thanks, Beryl reid fan (talk) 20:37, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

@Beryl reid fan: The process is a page move. Another editor has already moved the page, and left a redirect: A_Sleeping_Clergyman RudolfRed (talk) 21:04, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanking you (& they!) Beryl reid fan (talk) 21:07, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

AFC declined on Roberto McCausland Dieppa

The reviewing administrator declined my article due to insufficient citations on notability. Is it better to begin anew or edit existing draft ? Deanna Coakley 21:12, 20 November 2018 (UTC) Deanna Coakley — Preceding unsigned comment added by Deanna Coakley (talk • contribs)

Hi, @Deanna Coakley: Usually I'd suggest amending a draft (even if it requires taking out big chunks of text), but that's somewhat up to you. It's worth noting that you need to give a neutral account of the individual rather than a "this singer is good" style approach. You've got a good picture which almost no drafts at your stage have, which is a plus.

However your biggest task is to satisfy the notability requirement. The most common method to manage this for musicians is to find 2 or more (more always better!) high quality, in depth reviews from reliable, independent , secondary sources . There's plenty of other ways to meet musician notability but it's always worth looking for the reviews first as they are the most clear-cut, along with consideration of their work in books etc. Nosebagbear (talk) 21:24, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Image Usage

Hi Guys, I have a question. How can I use the images that are in Wikipedia? when can we find the link to use the image. Please let me know. Thanks in Advance!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vijaykumarreddyvoddi0322 (talk • contribs) 21:51, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Vijaykumarreddyvoddi0322. Here are two great pages to read through for a good answer: Wikipedia:Image use policy (for how to use images, when, and why). And this page for how to add images (if you wanted to freely license some of your own work for use on Wikipedia): Help:Adding image. If you need to find an image that's already available in Wikipedia, then you can search through the Wikimedia Commons: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page Let me know if I misunderstood your question. Sincerely, Shashi Sushila Murray, (message me) 00:15, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Merge Proposal Open Since August

Hello, all! There's been a merge proposal open here since August. I suppose this is where I should request for it to be closed, per WP:MERGECLOSE? I'm not entirely sure. Thanks! :bloodofox: (talk) 22:46, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Bloodofox. The right place to request a closure is at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Requests for closure, but if you are struggling with making the request, the Teahouse is a good place to ask for help. Cordless Larry (talk) 23:12, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, Larry. I'll take it there. :bloodofox: (talk) 23:32, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

diplomacy in bio article I created

I have been working on articles for Asian month and created an article about a woman who is Muslim American that I was really happy with. This morning I found that a lot of it has been blanked out, possibly by the person who it's about. I can sort of see why that may have happened and I don't want to get into an argument about it. I also very strongly don't want her to have a terrible experience on Wikipedia (which I feel might happen if I just started getting bureaucratic about it). I left a message on the Talk page for the article, and left her a note on her own Talk page. I'm wondering if there's anything else I could or should be doing here? Thanks for any advice. Jessamyn (talk) 23:16, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

I looked at the page and didn't think WP:Notability was demonstrated with or without the blanked information. Regards, Ariconte (talk) 00:03, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

What is "transclusion" and what is "substitution"? Are there other related concepts to learn?

Hi everyone,

First, I want to thank you all: As a relatively new editor I am feeling increasingly confident (I've learned a lot with everyone's feedback, help, through the scouring of documentation, through failed edit attempts, and through reading discussions and debates in the various Wikipedia fora).

However, I have what feels like an arcane question to ask:

Please explain to me what "transclusion" and "substitution" mean. Be as technical as you need to be as I prefer learning by drinking from the firehose. I am worried that not knowing the difference between these concepts has me using outdated templates. For example, one template I've learned to use is the to-do list template. I used to create a continuous comment thread on talk pages while editing (so that future editors could follow my reasoning and suggested future edits), but that was tedious. However, I've noticed that no one seems to use the to-do list template in the first place. Is it out of date because of transclusion or substition or something (this is just a random hypothetical example)? By using any inactive templates am I somehow leaving a mess behind me that other editors will need to clean up?

Thank you for your time,

Sincerely, Shashi Sushila Murray, (message me) 00:05, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Try WP:Transclusion and WP:Substitution, both linked from Help:A quick guide to templates. --David Biddulph (talk) 00:10, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Dropdowns

How do I add dropdowns and other visual elements in my draft?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Kvs15501 (talk • contribs) 00:41, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Kbs15501. Please clarify what you mean by "dropdowns". I don't understand.

But what I will add is that before you worry about superficialities of presentation, you should address the fundamental problem with your draft Draft:Indian Locomotive Class WDP-3A: the complete lack of sources. An article without sources is, in a sense, completely worthless, because a reader has no way of checking whether anything in it is correct or not. Please read WP:REFB, and address that matter before spending any time on any other aspect of the article. --ColinFine (talk) 10:25, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Help with article title

I need some guidance I have created a draft in my sandbox. I need some ideas, especially for title. As the article states there are two John Ferrars, 1st cousins living at the same time. One has left significant and voluminous notes and letters in the Ferrar Papers of the Virginia company.

The other father of William Farrar (settler).

I was operating under the same misconception as so many others, thinking that they were one and the same, but as I did some extensive research, four days, all day on the project. I discovered that they were in fact two different people, both significant and notable in their own right.

Unfortunately the more notable left not much in the way of biography and estate, except references in the Virginia Company records of his relationship to Nicholas Ferrar. My ancestor is not a brother of Nicholas Ferrar, but was evidently in close enough contact, to undertake a voyage to Virginia in 1618, when all of the troubles of the 1st and 2nd charter were bygones.

I want to create this article to provide guidance to others who make or might make the same mistake as I and conflate the two gents into one. I started my article with the belief that the two were one and the same, but as I got heavily involved in research. I realized that they were two different people.

I honestly think this article is needed, to help people differentiate between two, but neither standing alone has enough to create their own article with their own names and identifiers like John Ferrer, the Elder and John Ferrar, deputy treasurer. Just not enough meat for either, but both combined , maybe. But the title seems inadequate for the job. Alvanhholmes (talk) 00:55, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

I actually like the narrative way you've written it, but the best thing to do here (from an encyclopedic stand point) would be to create two entirely separate articles with a hat note at the top of each to aid in disambiguation. If there are lots of other people with the same name, it's common to create a disambiguation page to aid the reader in finding the info they are looking for. Edaham (talk) 03:04, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Thank you. I thought of creating two separate articles at first. But one John Ferrar the elder does not present what I think are the requirementsfor notable, and his only notable accomplishment was being the Father of William Farrar (settler).

The other John Ferrar is indeed a notable and a very important player and savior of the Virginia Company, unfortunately there is no real information about him other than what is in the papers of the Virginia Company.

And all I could publish is that one paragraph.

If I tried to publish I expect an immediate reaction or rejection because John Farrar was not notable and John Ferrar's entry was too thin, basically one paragraph.

If I can get them published as you suggested I would be thrilled, but I need some tutoring (example please) on creating an appropriate hatnote. I read the link to hatnotes but it doesn't sink in. I am advanced years with a recent operation to remove a brain tumor, I am thrilled that I can do what I do, but I don't have any coding experience or background and to create articles I have created a Word file of templates which I use, and even then I have problems.

Alvanhholmes (talk) 04:15, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

I am giving hatnote a try.. does this look acceptable? If I create two articles?

((hatnote|see [[John Farrar, the elder}}

See John Ferrar. Deputy treasurer

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Alvanhholmes (talk • contribs) 04:25, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

If John Ferrar the elder is not a notable individual then you should consider not including him at all, either in the main article or in his own article. If reliable sources can be found which make non trivial mentions of John Ferrar the elder then making a separate article would be the way to go. Including information on the two subjects in one article (except briefly mentioning family ties) will do little to improve the situation if confusion has arisen. I suggest you first do your best with two separate articles as drafts, then submit them via articles for creation, where experienced editors will review the material with regard to notability. This would be the most "Wikipedia" way of doing things and would potentially result in one or two stable and well sourced articles. Hope that helps. We can continue this discussion on the talk page of the draft article, as it is primarily a content issue. Edaham (talk) 06:06, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

For any beginner editors interested in a particular subject, in this case: British genealogy of the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries, there are lots of editors who are already actively developing these areas, particularly with regard to heraldry and nobility. Using categories and wiki-projects are both fundamental ways of letting the right people know that your article exists and getting experienced editors to help out on projects. The first thing a reviewer will do when looking at an article which has omitted these elements is add them, which I'll give you a hand with now. Edaham (talk) 06:20, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Publish a Wikipedia page before verified?

I have only had Wikipedia for two days, but I just completed my first Wikipedia page. Is there any way I can publish it without waiting two more days? JacobMinor33 (talk) 01:10, 21 November 2018 (UTC) Jacob

user:JacobMinor33, do you mean that you want to submit this article to the articles for creation process? I’ll have a look for you. If you’re a new user it’s quite good (although not very speedy) to go through the AFC process at least once because the reviewers will help you get to grips with many commonly encountered problems. Edaham (talk) 01:13, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

I had a look:

• sources one and two are not great. They are home made web pages, which weaken the quality of articles because they do not have to go through any verification process.
• The images you have used from those sites might not be suitable for use on Wikipedia unless you can verify that they are free use and/or your own work submitted for free use.
• There’s a third section which is entirely unsourced. And would require reliable sourcing.
• The external links section has links to google search results and YouTube, which cannot be used to support article text and are usually avoided in external links sections.
• The policies relevant to the issues noted above can be found at our reliable sources policy page, which you can read before submitting your draft.
  summary: The short answer is yes, you could move this to the main space yourself, but it would almost certainly be tagged for improvement or even moved back to draft. Having said that, this is a great first effort and the thing you are writing about could certainly have an article if properly sourced. I opened a discussion on the talk page of the draft article Edaham (talk) 01:28, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Posting multiple questions

Two questons/comments in November 20 space, don't know if I should post all questions including follow ups under original question or at the end.Alvanhholmes (talk) 04:30, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi Alvanhholmes, you can post follow-up questions at the bottom of the section where you posted the original question. For example, the way you asked follow-ups here is perfect, and you can ask another related question at the end of that section. Be sure to ping the editors who answered your original question with a template like {{re}} or {{u}} to get their attention. If you'd like to post a new unrelated question, or if your old question gets archived, you can always create a new section. Thanks for contributing to Wikipedia! — Newslinger talk 15:55, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

This is an attempt at pinging.@Newslinger: I hope that I have this right. While at it I have articles on my User:Alvanhholmes/sandbox3 and User:Alvanhholmes/sandbox4 , but don't have the Publish draft box, that my basic sandbox has? What do I have to do to rectify that, that is have the ability to submit a draft for sandbox3 and sandbox4 thanksAlvanhholmes (talk) 19:59, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

If you paste {{user sandbox}} to the top of a page it will give you the box to submit the draft for review. --David Biddulph (talk) 20:17, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Yes, I received the ping, so that was right! This page shows all of the ways you can ping another user. Also, David Biddulph's advice to use the {{user sandbox}} template is what I would tell you as well.​ — Newslinger talk 21:07, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

@Newslinger, David Biddulph, Ariconte, Primehunter, Shashi Sushila Murray, Alexis Jazz, and Edaham: and all the other wonderful helpers that have been so patientand helpful with this problem and so many others, also trying my hand at multiple pingingAlvanhholmes (talk) 22:01, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

@Alvanhholmes: that worked! Another hint (even some experienced users don't know this): sending a ping only works if the same message includes ~~~~ (your signature). So if you forget to sign a message, the ping won't arrive. If you forget to ping and edit the original message to add the ping without adding a new signature, the ping also won't arrive. But right now, you're doing it right! - Alexis Jazz 22:12, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

I didn’t know that. Edaham (talk) 23:42, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

​And one more thing: if you want to know whether your pings are successful, go to your notification preferences and check the boxes for "Failed mention" and "Successful mention", then click the "Save" button at the bottom. After you opt in, you'll always get a notification when you try to ping someone else, and you'll know whether it was successful. (After submitting a post with a ping, I usually have to refresh the page again to get the notification.) — Newslinger talk 08:54, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Stan Lee

I was thinking of doing a page on stan lees life any good sources i should use — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oliver pritchard (talk • contribs) 05:06, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

@Oliver pritchard: That material would belong in the article we already have on Stan Lee. See Wikipedia:Content forking.

If you're going to write an article about someone or something we don't already have an article on, here are the steps you should follow:

1) Choose a topic whose notability is attested by discussions of it in several reliable independent sources.

2) Gather as many professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources you can find. Google Books is a good resource for this. Also, while search engine resutls are tnot sources, they are where you can find sources. Just remember that they need to be professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources.

3) Focus on just the ones that are not dependent upon or affiliated with the subject, but still specifically about the subject and providing in-depth coverage (not passing mentions). If you do not have at least three such sources, the subject is not yet notable and trying to write an article at this point will only fail.

4) Summarize those sources left after step 3, adding citations at the end of them. You'll want to do this in a program with little/no formatting, like Microsoft Notepad or Notepad++, and not in something like Microsoft Word or LibreOffice Writer. Make sure this summary is just bare statement of facts, phrased in a way that even someone who hates the subject can agree with.

5) Combine overlapping summaries (without arriving at new statements that no individual source supports) where possible, repeating citations as needed.

6) Paraphrase the whole thing just to be extra sure you've avoided any copyright violations or plagiarism.

7) Use the Article wizard to post this draft and wait for approval.

8) Expand the article using sources you put aside in step 3 (but make sure they don't make up more than half the sources for the article, and make sure that affiliated sources don't make up more than half of that).

Doing something besides those steps typically results in the article not being approved, or even in its deletion. Ian.thomson (talk) 05:14, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Hello Oliver pritchard and welcome to the Teahouse! As you can see, there is a Stan Lee article. You can improve that, and it's not unthinkable to expand for example sections under "Career" into separate articles, if there are good sources to do it with. Good sources would be biographies like Stan Lee and the Rise and Fall of the American Comic Book. More at [6]. Happy editing! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:20, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

About Bibliographic work of Marilynn Hughes

Hi All,

I just created a page about Marilynn Hughes. But i have a question about her bibliographic work. As she authored many books, magazines and scholars but i am confused that 'Is it necessary to add each publication of her work?' However i have mentioned few books and Scholars. Please help.WFE24 (talk) 07:00, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, WFE24. If a notable author has a very extensive list of published works, it is usually not advisable to list them all in the biography of the author. Instead, their works that have been the subject of multiple independent reviews should be mentioned. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 07:42, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Dear Jim, Thank you for your answer of my doubt. I also noticed one other editor tagged the article with many tags. Can you please help me to remove those tags?WFE24 (talk) 09:19, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Those tags indicate that the article requires improvement. You can consult the editor who left the tags by pinging them on the talk page of your article. They will give you a more detailed summary of how they feel the article needs to be improved. Please don't remove the tags without first improving the article. This is a common thing that beginner editors do and it causes problems. The editor who left the tags there should be more than happy to help you understand what needs doing and explain the policies that they feel are relevant. Edaham (talk) 04:59, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

WP:MOS-BIBLIO provides guidelines for this. Relevant to your question are the following:

• The individual items in the list do not have to be sufficiently notable to merit their own separate articles (That being said - as mentioned above, notability is a factor and the most notable and widely reviewed works should be inclided.
• When you provide an ISBN for an edition, complement this with the precise publication details: this will help point out exactly what the ISBN denotes

Further more, having read the article I think there's some entries in your "read more" and "external links" sections, the former of which is conventionally titled, "further reading", which could use some scrutiny with regard to the guidelines at Wikipedia:Further reading.

Edaham (talk) 07:54, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Thank You Edaham for aware me with Wikipedia guidelines. WFE24 (talk) 09:47, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

How to make edits to a wiki entry?

Hello Wiki Hosts, we would like to do some maintenance to our company information on Wikipedia, but it seems no one in our organization quite knows how to do this. Nor does anyone seem to have any recollection of when or whom created the initial entry. Does editing the page and uploading the current logo require a username and password? Our wiki entry hasn't been updated in nearly many years, (current logo, history, etc). Thank you, much appreciated.

URL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holden_Outerwear — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:CD61:5A0:14B8:56D6:612F:40EC (talk) 09:41, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. Most pages in Wikipedia may be edited by anybody, logged in or not. However, editing an article about yourself or something you are closely associated with is strongly discouraged, because of your conflict of interest. You are however welcome to suggest changes to such an article, by posting your suggestions (with citations to published sources, if possible) to the Talk page attached to the article. Please see WP:PSCOI.

It might help the way you think about the matter to realise that Wikipedia's article about your company is not your article. Your input is welcome, but in the end it is a consensus of uninvolved editors who decide what should go into the article and what should not. --ColinFine (talk) 10:18, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Hello Holden Outerwear person, and welcome to the Teahouse! Ok, the article was created in 2010 by a User:Thermals (you can see this at the "View history" tab at the top of the article) who hasn't edited since 2011, so that doesn't help us.

Basically, it is possible for you to update stuff like logo and simple facts BUT: please start by taking your time and read WP:PAID and Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. If you then decide to "dig in", please read WP:ISU before creating a user-account. Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) may also be of interest. A tutorial on WP starts here: Wikipedia:Tutorial/Editing. Good luck! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:27, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Article now nominated for deletion, you are welcome to comment at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Holden Outerwear. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:33, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

How can I publish my page

Hello Dear, I have created this page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Manoj_Rajan_Tripathi.jpg#filehistory ... though it is not final. but I don't know where to write the title of the profile, so it comes as a header? secondly, how can I publish this papge? third, after publishing the page will my name appear for public? if yes can I hide that? Please Guide. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Archana Chakravarty (talk • contribs) 11:21, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Archana Chakravarty, welcome to the Teahouse. You confused me as you linked to an image file of someone called Manoj Rajan Tripathi, rather than the short, unreferenced draft about that person at User:Archana Chakravarty/sandbox. Right now, that draft is not adequate as it fails to demonstrate why that person is notable, which you do by including citations to independent, reliable sources which talk about that person in depth. See this page on how we judge notability of people. Having improved your draft, you can then submit for review by adding {{subst:submit}} to the top of the page, and clicking the blue 'publish changes' button. Don't worry about the header - that will be done by the reviewer if it is accepted. And, yes, your username will be permanently linked to that page's history. Does this help? Nick Moyes (talk) 13:36, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Hey Archana Chakravarty. I presume you intend to refer to the page in your sandbox, rather than to a file? The short answer is that you need to include references to sources that meet Wikipedia's standards for reliability in order to show where the information on the individual comes from, and demonstrate that the subject meets Wikipedia's standards for notability. These sources are usually things like newspapers, magazines, and books, and usually excludes things like self-published works, generic websites, and social media.

For more information on referencing for Wikipedia, see also our tutorial on referencing for beginners. GMG^talk 13:16, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

WikiTable

How do I use style="text-align: right;" (or something similar) in the header, to apply to just one column, without having to copy the command to each row?

MBG02 (talk) 11:30, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi MBG02, and welcome to the Teahouse! Unfortunately, the style= method is still the best way to align cells in a column unless you want to align the entire table. There's currently an open feature request to implement an easier way to do this, so you may want to keep track of this page for updates. Thanks for contributing to Wikipedia! — Newslinger talk 15:41, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Feature suggestions/requests

Where would be the proper place to suggest/request new features for the site? Specifically, I want to request a "Default all tables to collapsed/expanded" option to be placed in Preferences. Sario528 (talk) 12:27, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi Sario528, and welcome to the Teahouse! You'll want to submit new feature requests for MediaWiki (the software that powers Wikipedia) at the Wikimedia Phabricator. This guide on how to write a feature request or bug report may be helpful for you. After a quick search, it looks like someone has previously suggested this feature for Android and it was implemented in the mobile apps. However, I'm not aware of this feature being on the Wikipedia website, so you'll still probably want to make a new feature request. Thanks for contributing to Wikipedia! — Newslinger talk 15:28, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

someone here, who could proofread a short part of an article concerning copyright-issues?

Hi, dear people, i'm currently writing an article on the artist George Pusenkoff. In 1995 he had a lawsuit with the famous photographer Helmut Newton concerning Pusenkoff's use of one of Newtons photographs in the sense of appropriation art. I do write the article as well in german as in english, as Pusenkoff has exhibited worldwide. Now, for the german version i do already have people (lawyers), who proofread that i give all the info correctly. Now i translated this short passage and would need someone to tell me, whether it is a. understandable and b. correct in terms of copyright-issues. Would be great if someone was willing to do so. Kind regards, --Gyanda (talk) 13:35, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Guten Abend, Gyanda. Wilkommen im Teahouse. I am sorry you have had to wait a long time for a reply, today. Perhaps the mention of lawyers scared us all away! We cannot advise on copyright or legal issues, and all editors are personally legally responsible for what they write on this site (see here). That said, if you are reporting only what others have said (which is precisely what you should be doing, and no more), you have absolutely no cause for concern. I actually think your "short section" in your draft on Pusenkoff at User:Gyanda/my new site is too long. I am unable to check your references as they don't seem to be online, but I believe you have expanded this too much, going off at a tangent to explain the German legal system. This, to my mind, is not necessary. Just say he was sued by the now deceased Helmut Newton, cite sources that explain why, and cite sources to demonstrate that he was found not guilty. Job done. Avoid explaining German law and so forth. Also, I am uncomfortable with some of the euphemisms you have used for the naked female form. To refer to a woman's genitals as her 'shame' is quite inappropriate. What is there to be ashamed of? Terms like 'pudenda' (albeit a Latinised version of the same word) are far better, as, indeed are 'genitals'. Remember that this is an encyclopaedia which is not censored, so, if describing the artwork's content is essential, do please use straight-forward, encyclopaedic terms. Neither colloquial slang terms, nor euphemisms are appropriate here. On a different note, a quick search suggested that he was either awarded or nominated for the Kandinsky Prize (it's not clear), but you make no mention of this. Maybe you should. Some sections of your draft are still in German, whilst others are empty. I'm sorry to have avoided your key question, but does my reply in any way assist you? Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:45, 21 November 2018 (UTC)     

Wow, this is so great!!! Thank you very much for your input. 1. okay, i will shorten the text, 2. i used a dictionary to be sure to find the right term for genitals, as i thought it might be a sensitive issue, but it's great that and how you answered me, will change this. The article still is a draft - also in germran - so i will have to work on it a lot more, i just began to translate this part because it is already finished. Next part will be the general info on his artistic work, which will take quite some time and i will add the nomination as well. How kind of you that you even gave the link! I'm so thankful for and with your help!!! Kind regards, --Gyanda (talk) 23:52, 21 November 2018 (UTC)it

No worries, Gyanda, we're here to help all editors when we can. I'm glad my reply was of use, and I only wish my "Urlaubs Deutsch" were sufficient to allow me to edit in that language, too. Viel Glück. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:15, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Your "Urlaubsdeutsch" is fantastic!!! Happy Thanksgiving for you (it is today, right?) --Gyanda (talk) 10:07, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Moving Page

Hello. Can someone please assist in moving the page Bilderberg_Group back to Bilderberg_Meeting?

Jul 12 2018 page was moved to Bilderberg_Group from Bilderberg_Meeting

As user‎ Discips pointed out, it has officially been stated that they are not a group, they are an annual meeting.

Their official website is: bilderbergmeetings.org - notice the word meeting. On their page they clearly state as much.

Attendees have been on record to point out they are not part of a group and a past invite does not guarantee a future invite. Conspiracy theories or jargon is not an acceptable reason to edit a definition or official purpose. (conspiracy theory talk on a private meeting will always outnumber official documents eg Area51) If so, then we are to rename every event, meeting, or conference attendee on wikipedia as being a member of a group of a meeting they once attended or have been invited to attend. Thereafter, editing the page of every event, meeting, or conference to also be a group despite both it's working and stated purpose whenever a conspiracy arises.

The entire wikipedia page, first paragraph to the last, not only only officially states it as a meeting but it is merely thrown in on passing of the term "group" as being unofficial when first paragraph concludes. One of many unofficial terms by conspiracy theorists should not redefine the entire page that clearly details its purpose on every level and section as well as the meeting's official page , literature, and history of all the meetings. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikkoBot (talk • contribs) 14:04, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for any help on this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikkoBot (talk • contribs) 13:39, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

I just moved the article to Bilderberg Meeting for you. MarkZusab (talk) 14:48, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

That is the official position, but the "meeting" has been called the Bilderberg Group ever since the media discovered it about twenty years ago. I've no objection to either title. Dbfirs 15:12, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

The article should not have been moved. Wikipedia policy is to name articles according to what the subject is usually called, not according to what it "is officially" called or would like itself to be called. I have checked all the sources cited in the article that are both independent and accessible from where I am, and I find sixteen that use "Bilderberg Group", three that use "Bilderberg Meeting", and one that uses both. I would move it back, but this requires an admin. Maproom (talk) 15:23, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Sierra Leone is NOT participating

Please stop reverting my edits. Sierra Leone has not been confirmed as a returning country. Instagram accounts are not legitimate sources. --Rahu22 (talk) 14:58, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi Rahu22, and welcome to the Teahouse! This is a place to ask general questions about editing Wikipedia, but it's not where you'd want to post something if you're trying to communicate with specific editors. Please consider posting at the talk pages of the articles in question (Talk:Miss Universe 2018, Talk:Miss Universe 2018, and Talk:Face of Sierra Leone), instead. I see that you've already posted on the other editors' talk pages, with is the definitely the right way to approach this content dispute. If you're unable to settle the dispute through discussion, I'd like to remind you that there are other means of dispute resolution that you may find helpful to achieve consensus. Thanks for contributing to Wikipedia!​ — Newslinger talk 15:18, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Long tall Sally: personnel

I noticed a change on the page Long Tall Sally:

← Previous edit Long Tall Sally 6 BYTES ADDED, 12 HOURS AGO no edit summary

Personnel

• Paul McCartney – vocals, bass
• John Lennon – rhythm guitar, first guitar solo
• George Harrison – lead guitar
• Ringo Starr – drums

I wonder if it's okay to write "first guitar solo" there? James Booker fan (talk) 15:24, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Hello, James Booker fan. Thank you for asking your question at the Teahouse today. However, I think this is one best asked directly, firstly to the IP editor who made this change (diff) and then, if you get no reply, maybe on the article talk page. To answer it here requires detailed knowledge of the song (which I don't have) though it does sound a bit odd, unless there is indeed a notable first guitar solo, followed by a second one from another band member - I simply don't know. On balance, because the edit was made without any edit summary, I'd equally be OK to revert it as a 'good faith edit', and explain why I/you have done so in that new edit summary. The IP user has clearly edited a number of other Beatles-related pages over a period of time, so she/he is quite likely to engage with you if you ask them politely for an explanation, as is the way to go. Does this help? PS You've been here over 6 months now - it'd be great see something in your userpage - maybe just that you have an interest in editing music articles? Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:02, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Is "subscription=yes" ok for a single-article paywall?

What is the proper parameter to use in a cite where the URL has a paywall that allows the reader to pay for a single article? Is "subscription=yes" the appropriate parameter to use, even though the payment is not really a "subscription" that has a duration? Thanks. Kekki1978 (talk) 15:23, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

• Yes. See Template:Citation#Subscription_or_registration_required: this merely indicates that you need to pay (beyond the cost of internet access) to get to the source, whatever the payment structure. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 17:08, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

  Ping: Kekki1978. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 17:08, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, that's exactly what I needed to know. Thanks for the link! Very helpful. Kekki1978 (talk) 19:13, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Worried about repeated changes to an article...

Hi all. I've been fighting vandalism lately (have rollback and pending changes permissions, and twinkle). I've recently been working on the page Bidhu Bhusan Das. It's had a lot of unnecessarily flattering language repeatedly added to it by IP addresses from one institution, which I have reverted. I even spent a couple hours rewriting the article to the best of my ability, using only sources I could access online. This incited one of the IP users to criticise me (and a previous editor) within the body of the article. Essentially, I'm worried that it's going to start to look like edit warring, as the IP users repeatedly add back the same or similar content. I suspect that all the IP users are in fact the same person and potentially have a COI. Can someone else step in to help? I'm not sure what the next step is.

Thanks, Sherlotte (talk) 16:52, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

@Sherlotte: I've semi-protected the article for a week. If problems persist after the protection expires, you can ask for further protection at WP:RFPP or perhaps ask for a range block of the IPs at WP:ANI. Deor (talk) 17:09, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

@Deor: Thank you -- I really appreciate it. Sherlotte (talk) 17:16, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

@Sherlotte: ...however, edits such as that one, while completely peacock-y and against our policies, are nowhere close to vandalism. AIV would probably go nowhere without a level-4 warning. (That does not mean you need to place 4 warnings though, you can skip some levels.) A better venue might be WP:ANEW for edit warring. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 17:19, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

QUESTION

How to start with a good diet and how to get informed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rominamezap (talk • contribs) 18:43, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

@Rominamezap: This page is for asking questions about Wikipedia. We cannot give medical advice. Consult your doctor. RudolfRed (talk) 19:38, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

@Rominamezap: Be sure to get a balanced intake of nutrition from the five food groups: Encyclopedic material, Neutrality, Free content, Civility and Guidelines Edaham (talk) 14:55, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Mental variety: BBC. CNN, NYTimes, WashPost and Fox. David notMD (talk) 15:31, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Since when has 'junk' been a food group :-) ? {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.200.131.235 (talk) 22:39, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

I knew someone would say that. It was a joke about balance wasn’t it. :) it takes those four to balance that one :))) Edaham (talk) 23:09, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Sandbox TOC and submit buttons

I have three sandboxes. My original sandbox has two features, contents and submit your draft for review.

Sandbox3 has neither of those features Sandbox4 has a contents template.

What do I have to do to have sandbox3 and sandbox4 to have both contents and submit your draft for review. Sandbox3 and sandbox4 were created because it was suggested that the article in the original sandbox, applied to two different men with the same name and they deserved their own article. However one is not so notable as the other, though he is mentioned as the parent of a notable, the other is notable, but there is little information on him other than his letters in the files of The Virginia Company Alvanhholmes (talk) 20:19, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

@Alvanhholmes: I added a header to your question. The table of contents is automatically added when there are enough sections (3 or 4, I think). Add {{subst:submit}} to the top of the sandbox you would like reviewed. RudolfRed (talk) 20:28, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Newbie!

Hello - I've noticed some relatively minor mistakes on a page and wanted to edit them. How do I go about doing so? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7F:D014:1F00:805D:55F9:208D:1DF2 (talk) 20:36, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia and thanks for wanting to make it better. Check out Wikipedia:Tutorial/Editing for how to get started on editing. RudolfRed (talk) 20:51, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

There is also The Wikipedia Adventure at WP:ADVENTURE which is an interactive lesson in editing. RudolfRed (talk) 20:52, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Adding to what RudolfRed has just said, if you'd care to specify the article you're concerned about, we'd be very happy to check any edits you've made and let you know if you managed it OK. We're here to help, so do help us to help you. If you make a mistake, it's always possible to 'revert' any edit by going to the 'View History' tab for the page in question and clicking 'undo'. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:08, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

PAGE WAS DELETED

Our page was deleted and redirected to somewhere else. How can I make it up and running again? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Techsenmonka (talk • contribs) 05:18, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

@Techsenmonka: What is the article you are referring to? RudolfRed (talk) 05:29, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Our Page is ACS Jakarta, it was deleted by a user named Frayae and redirected it to Anglo-Chinese Schools page. I was able to retrieve it back but then it says that it needs citations. I did add some, but I cant get the template to be deleted. Also, when I type acs jakarta in lowercase in the search box, it says that it has not been created. i apologize, im a newbie in wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Techsenmonka (talk • contribs) 05:33, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

ACS Jakarta exists. You need capital letters. At present, the only references are to the school's own website. You can improve the references by finding independent WP:Reliable sources in which the school has been written about in detail. The Wikipedia article appears in a Google search with any capitalisation because Google searches are not case-sensitive like Wikipedia. Dbfirs 07:51, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Techsenmonka. Please understand that ACS Jakarta is not "your page". It is Wikipedia's article about your school. It should be based almost entirely on what people who have no connection with the school have published about it, not on what the school says or wants to say about itself. If you are associated with the school (as seems likely from your use of "our"), you need to read WP:PSCOI, and possibly WP:PAID, before you do any more work on the article. --ColinFine (talk) 23:00, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

ColinFine thank you so much for clarifying. my boss keeps breathing down my neck about the wikipedia page. it seems a lot of students were "vandalizing" it. i have read what you suggested and will get back to my superior about it.

Becoming a Teahouse host

🖐 Hello how can i become a tea party host — Preceding unsigned comment added by JARV7875640 (talk • contribs) 09:36, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Tea party

Hi there, JARV7875640. The Teahouse is a place where experienced editors answer questions from (usually) new users who encountered problems, and need assistance. We try to be as friendly as possible, though I've never actually noticed a party atmosphere here. Did I miss something? We do have a lot of people watching this page, and it receives about 4,000 views a day. So we would normally expect those who answer questions to be experienced enough to do so, and certainly to know when not to attempt to answer difficult questions, but to leave it to others. There are no set criteria for being a 'host', nor is it a 'permission' that is granted - but typically we might expect an editor who wants to help out to have had at least 30 days of active editing and over 500 substantive edits as a minimum.

As you've had far less experience than that, I would simply suggest sticking around and seeing what gets asked and answered, and maybe later on you could comment in areas where you have picked up that experience. I'm still learning new things here, even after some years of editing, but it's always great to help others when you have knowledge you can share, and sometimes the perspective of the relatively new user can be quite helpful to other newcomers. Do please finish The Wikipedia Adventure - there are a total of 15 different badges to collect, and please don't ever edit another user's own user page (as you did here). We deal politely with all other editors, leaving coherent comments on their talk pages, not their main userpage. You also appear to have forgotten to leave an 'edit summary' on virtually all your edits since you joined us some 10 days ago, and please remember to sign every talk page post you make with four keyboard tildes (like this: ~~~~). Good luck as you start out on your own Wikipedia adventure! Come back any time you think you need assistance, or feel you're ready to help others. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 13:45, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

UPDATE: The contradiction of no edit summaries and the userbox on your userpage saying you always leave edit summaries led me to look further at your account. I'm now going to ping @Kinu: who indefinitely blocked User:JRV7875640 for vandalism. You started editing immediately after that account was blocked.The fact that both accounts have user pages (based on User:Nicky jam el cangri User:Nickyjanpr787407 User:Jayson 78756) leads me to feel that a further sock puppet investigation could be worthwhile. I fear your chances of being a Teahouse host might now be somewhat limited. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:06, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Or boldly saying... 0% ―Abelmoschus Esculentus 14:17, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Drafts

How do I change a draft into an actual article ? 223.176.85.244 (talk) 13:14, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. As there are no other edits from your IP address other than the above, I assume that you either forgot to log in to your account or don't wish to. It would be easier to help you if I knew the draft in question, but you can simply perform a page move from Draft space or your sandbox to the main encyclopedia; however, once you do, it will be evaluated by other editors and if the draft is not actually acceptable, be treated harsher than if you got a review beforehand. I would suggest that you use Articles for Creation to submit any draft you have for an independent review. 331dot (talk) 13:21, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

If I create an actual account , can I name it after my present IP address ? 223.176.85.244 (talk) 13:30, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

According to Wikipedia:Username policy, "Usernames which resemble IP addresses" are forbidden. Maproom (talk) 13:48, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

• Were you speaking hypothetically? (that's fine if you were, just curious) 331dot (talk) 13:50, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

I am thinking of creating an actual account , but I am afraid of vandals . 223.176.85.244 (talk) 14:00, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

There's no need to afraid, since we will help you to deal with them :) ―Abelmoschus Esculentus 14:03, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Of course it's entirely your choice, but there are a number of good reasons to create an account. You might be interested in Wikipedia:Why create an account? to decide either way. Irregardless, all good-faith contributions from IP and account users alike are appreciated. GermanJoe (talk) 14:34, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Stephen Hawking

Why has Stephen Hawking not yet conferred a noble prize? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shreyom (talk • contribs) 14:50, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

@Shreyom: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. This place is for asking questions about using Wikipedia only, and is not for general questions. However, Nobel Prizes are not given to the deceased. 331dot (talk) 15:04, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

User:Shreyom - You might ask why Hawking did not receive the Nobel Prize for Physics during his lifetime at the Reference Desk for Science. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:52, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

New page

How to create a new page on a new topic?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shreyom (talk • contribs) 14:52, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Read Wikipedia:Your first article carefully. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:53, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

When Will Page be approved?

I wrote a page on Josephine Collins in August. How do we find out where it is in the que? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mpmullin (talk • contribs) 17:03, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

• Hi Mpmullin, it appears your draft was approved by K.e.coffman back on November 3. So it is actually no longer in the queue. Congratulations, and keep up the good work.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 17:30, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Since November 3 it's in mainspace. Congrats! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:31, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Thomas Muster

Dear Editors,

I would like to draw your attention to a factual error on the page of Thomas Muster https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Muster. In the 3rd row of the first paragraph it is written: "Muster is one of only three players to win Masters titles on the three different surfaces of clay, carpet, and hard court." This statement shows controversy due to the fact has been listed on another wikipedia site of the Tennis Masters Series records and statistics (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennis_Masters_Series_records_and_statistics). On that site you can find an chart of "Winners of the series tournaments on the three surfaces" where more than 3 players are mentioned as winner on 3 different surfaces. It would be highly recommended to implement any specific distinction e.g. Tennis Masters/ATP Masters or after 1990 or something like these. Leaving unchanged the current chart, it would mean 4 players won (and not 3) Masters on 3 different players.

Sincerely yours,

Mrandrew16 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrandrew16 (talk • contribs) 18:01, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

@Mrandrew16: Our relevant guideline on this would be WP:SOFIXIT. If the page was locked, you could make an edit request on the article's talk page. Ian.thomson (talk) 18:05, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

thank you @Ian.thomson!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrandrew16 (talk • contribs) 18:06, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Retitlng Drafts submitted for review

Per suggestion of user: Robert McClenon I am moving this conversation here. I created two articles, up for review.:John Ferrar (Lincolnshire esquire) and John Ferrar Deputy Treasurer Virginia Company. I submitted both for review. Somehow John Ferrar deputy treasurer, disappeared. When I go to my user page. I have three redirects or whatever they are called. User:Alvanhholmes/sandbox2 (empty for now) Draft:John Ferrar (Virginia settler) which is a misnamed draft that has been declined (the article was never about John Ferrar settler, as he was not a settler, to my knowledge he never set foot in Virginia. The title created an ambiguity between my other submission, John Ferrar the elder, Esquire (renamed by reviewer as John Ferrar (Lincolnshire). If the two articles were to be approved, the original names should stand as they clearly differentiate between the two cousins. When I first read the declined draft, the renamingto John Ferrar (Virginia Settler) confused me as John Farrar Deputy Treasurer Virginia Company had never, to my knowledge, set foot in Virginia. Nor was it so indicated in the article. If anything it should be renamed John Ferrar (Deputy Treasurer, Virginia Company) []] is a redirect to John Ferrar the elder, Esquire renamed and misnamed John Ferrar (Lincolnshire, Esq) A ,more accurate title would be John Ferrar (the Elder of London, Esq) but I can’t change titles. I will submit question and comment about the declination of John Ferrar, Deputy Treasurer) in subsequent post @Robert McClenon:The next question is. Should a renamed article be approved and published, what options are there for the author to accurately rename it. If the drafts sood as renamed, then they would be inaccurate and cause confusion which defeated the purpose of the articles in the first instance. There were in fact two John Ferrar's (cousins) who played, in their own way, an important role in establishing the Colony of Virginia, and thus the foundation of the United States of Aerica. Which can be explained, albeit not in Encyclaedic style, at least not by me.

Alvanhholmes (talk) 18:28, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

A few Jester article corrections...

1. According to the headstone at findagrave... Levi Jester died 30 Apr 1851. https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/107144469/levi-jester in the article for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Taylor_Jester George Taylor Jester

2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Jester the Academy Nominated costume designer, middle name is Kouns. He is also the same Ralph Jester who married https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Hawes evidence: 1930 Passenger lists FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:24NS-Y3S : 12 March 2018), Ralph Jester, 1930; citing Immigration, New York, New York, United States, NARA microfilm publication T715 (Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.). Ralph is listed as single as the sailing was before the December marriage. His birthdate and location match to Ralph K. Jester. The address is that of Elizabeth Hawes in NY. 8 West 56th St NY NY Ship: George Washington Ralph Jester, 10 Jul 1901 Texas Address: C/O Hawes Inc. 8 West 56th St NY NY Sailing from: Vherbourg, France

Then 1931 Passenger list from Hamilton, Bermuda lists Ralph and Elizabeth. His birth place and dates match, as does for Elizabeth Hawes, with the same address. FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:24NQ-3Q2 : 12 March 2018), Ralph Jester, 1931; citing Immigration, New York, New York, United States, NARA microfilm publication T715 (Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.).

"New York, New York Passenger and Crew Lists, 1909, 1925-1957," 1931 Ralph Jester, 10 Jul 1901 Texas Traveling with Elizabeth Jester b. 1903 Ridgwood, NJ listed as married Ship: Bermuda Sailing From: Hamilton, Bermuda Address: 8 West 56th St NY NY

1933 Crossing from Vera Cruz, Mexico FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:24JB-GLP : 12 March 2018), Ralph Jester, 1933; citing Immigration, New York, New York, United States, NARA microfilm publication T715 (Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.). has a different NY address, this is the era he and Elizabeth had seperated. He is still listed as married. "New York, New York Passenger and Crew Lists, 1909, 1925-1957," 1933 listed as married.

Ralph Jester, 10 Jul 1901 Texas Ship: Orizaba Address: 18 Beekman Plc NY, NY Sailing From: Vera Cruz, Mexico

1935 Crossing is post divorce FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:24V6-CSW : 12 March 2018), Ralph Jester, 1935; citing Immigration, New York, New York, United States, NARA microfilm publication T715 (Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.). Ralph Jester, 10 Jul 1901 Texas Ship: SS California Sailing from California Address: 1800 N. Cerritos, Hollywood, California

Past and Promise: Lives of New Jersey Women By Joan N. Burstyn, Women's Project of New Jersey pages 315-316 Elizabeth Hawes https://books.google.com/books?id=h-6WCBQPZdoC&pg=PA315&dq=Past+and+Promise:+Lives+of+New+Jersey+Women+Elizabeth+Hawes&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjJ5diJtejeAhVI1IMKHRufD-MQ6AEIKjAA#v=onepage&q=Past%20and%20Promise%3A%20Lives%20of%20New%20Jersey%20Women%20Elizabeth%20Hawes&f=false

Marriage to 2nd wife Lois Ann Wilson. FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KFRY-JTX : 6 December 2014), Ralph Kouns Jester and Lois Ann Wilson, Marriage, 09 Jun 1945, Bennington, Bennington, Vermont, United States; from "Vermont, Birth Records, 1909-2008," "Vermont, Death Records, 1909-2008," "Vermont, Marriage Records, 1909-2008," and "Vermont, Vital Records, 1720-1908." Ancestry (http://www.ancestry.com : 2010); citing Vital Records Office, Vermont Department of Health, Burlington and New England Historic Genealogical Society, Boston.

I tried sometime ago to make an edit in the article of Stanley "Boots" Adams and messed it up. I promised never to attempt another edit. I hope this is enough evidence for someone to make the edits needed for Ralph, Elizabeth and George. Ralph's father was Levi Leven Jester, a noted banker in Texas History, who was one of the many siblings of George Taylor Jester.

Lynette Jester (talk) 19:06, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Hello Lynette Jester, and welcome to the Teahouse! From what I can find, neither findagrave (see Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources/Perennial sources) or familysearch (see Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_250#FamilySearch_and_LDS_historical_figures) are considered WP:RELIABLE SOURCES on WP. The book, published by Syracuse University, would seem to be useful, but on WP, context always matters, so it depends what you want to use it for in the article. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:20, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

fix my page

hi, i need help with my page — Preceding unsigned comment added by JamesRothschildtt (talk • contribs) 19:21, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

The existing article at Rothschild banking family of England is entirely devoid of reference citations, as is your draft at User:JamesRothschildtt/James Benjamin De Rothschild. Please read about reliable sources and the guidance at Help:Referencing for beginners. --David Biddulph (talk) 19:27, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

How do you add a section to an article?

How do you add a section to an article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aaron Justin Giebel (talk • contribs) 20:44, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

In the source editor you surrond the new heading with two equals signs; like this ==Section Heading==.

In the visual editor; choose paragraph, heading and type it in.

Regards, Ariconte (talk) 21:34, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

How do you reply to someone on your talk page?

How do you reply to someone on your talk page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aaron Justin Giebel (talk • contribs) 20:46, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Just type your reply below their message - or if a new message click 'New Section' at the top of the page.

Regards, Ariconte (talk) 21:36, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Changing more than spelling errors.

I am just getting started. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brava_Island_Cup shows which word is misspelled, but the wording of the opening paragraph is clumsy as well. Should I change it? Does someone else need to look at it afterwards? Thanks! Aurornisxui (talk) 21:00, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Improvements are always welcome...... go ahead and be WP:Bold. Click that link for more information. Regards, Ariconte (talk) 21:38, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Thank you. I have another question about the same article. I wanted to go to the primary source to make sure I had a better idea of what to say, but the primary source http://www.fcf.cv/pt/index.php/associacoes/brava is no longer around (account suspended). I couldn't find anything else that has the same information, so that information is no longer verifiable. What should I do? Thanks Aurornisxui (talk) 22:37, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

See WP:WAYBACK. Regards, Ariconte (talk) 00:23, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

Many thanks! Aurornisxui (talk) 01:22, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

Checked Wayback Machine and all I found was this, which leads back to the main page, and this. I have also searched for Brava Football. Brava soccer, Cape Vere Football, Cape Verde soccer, and all I find are teams, players, and scores. Nothing to support this paragraph - "The Brava Island Cup (Portuguese: Taça (Copa) da Ilha da Brava, Capeverdean Crioulo, ALUPEC or ALUPEK: Tasa da Braba or Tasa dja Braba, Brava Creole: Taça dja Braba) is a regional cup competition and is played during the season in the island of Brava, Cape Verde, it consists of all the clubs from all the two regional divisions and are divided into about four to five rounds, for some seasons, a group stage was featured. The cup competition is organized by the Brava Regional Football Association (Associação Regional do Fogo, ARFB).[1]The cup winner competes in the regional super cup final in the following season when a cup winner also wins the championship, a runner-up competes. The winner qualifies into Cape Verdean Cup, since 2013, it has been canceled due to financial and scheduling reasons."

Jair Bolsonaro

Hello! Can someone please have a look at Jair Bolsonaro? This article possibly have multiple BLP and NPOV violations. So many complaints in the talk page but a few editors act like they own the article, refusing to change anything that challenges the status quo. Please participate in the talk page. More patrol is needed. Thanks! --49.195.181.212 (talk) 21:34, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

The teahouse is probably not the best place for this request.... see WP:DISPUTE for some ideas. Regards, Ariconte (talk) 21:44, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

blacklist

greetings -

In revising an article Lufa Farms that was heavily self-promoting, as well as several years old, I am utilizing a research paper to balance things out. If I use the Google link, I have access to the paper BUT to save it as a reference, the BLACKLIST message / template pops up. IF I cut out the Google part of the link, I can publish my revisions (and have). BUT, the accepted link is as good as dead because of other interventions.

What is the way to reference and keep accessible the PDF if I can't cite the G*****-that-shall-not-be-named ref? Though I'm a decent researcher I am stumped. The paper's title is: Growing Pains: The Relationships Between Commercial Urban Agriculture and Peri-Urban Organic Farms in Montreal, Quebec By Monica Allaby, (A Thesis Submitted to McGill University in Partial Fulfillment of the Requirements for the B.A. in Geography Honours Degree), Department of Geography McGill University Montréal (Québec) Canada -- April 2018 © 2018 Monica Allaby

Thanks, GeeBee60 (talk) 23:08, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Just put all the ref details between <ref> and </ref> tags. If using the visual editor just fill in all the details in the cite block. Leave off the URL....

Whether a thesis is a WP:RS is a separate question. Regards, Ariconte (talk) 23:43, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Try giving us the Google url here (if you need to to get it to show here, you can mangle it). In this edit I have corrected a malformatted citation for another of your refs that wasn't displaying. --David Biddulph (talk) 23:48, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

BTW; https://www.mcgill.ca/geography/files/geography/allaby_monica_2018_honours_thesis.pdf worked for me. Regards, Ariconte (talk) 23:53, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

@Ariconte and David Biddulph: Thanks for the useful help. Yes, it can be argued that the reference in question is not "reliable". I'm going to chance it, because w/o the balance from the McGill student's critical analysis, in her very well done study, the Lufa Farm article is too much like a puff piece and arguably a candidate for deletion. Even now it remains a flawed article, but compare the current version to before I started tinkering. ThanksGeeBee60 (talk) 07:30, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

Would someone look over this draft please

I have tried to clean up this Draft:John Ferrar (Virginia settler). I believe that I cleaned up the "peacock" language, I have added additional information and references. I think that the opening paragraph is important because it explains what would otherwise be ambiguity, but not sure. I would like to resubmit it, but will only do so when it is ready. I would appreciate any suggestions. @Robert McClenon:Alvanhholmes (talk) 00:04, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

@Alvanhholmes: Hi. Because your Teahouse request was next to mine. I read your draft, agree with the concerns that reject your current version. First, I'm a pretty good WP editor but I am NOT a WP Administrator. These are some unofficial thoughts. Following them does not guarantee acceptance, but I'll guess it will improve your odds.

Read and compare some of the accounts of these men's contemporaries, including of the brother Nicholas Ferrar. How do these accepted articles read compared to your draft articles? Unfortunately, your article has careless punctuation errors, uses language that is archaic, and includes numerous phrases that are more apologetic and/or pretentious than informative.

Genealogy is very hard back this far, but try. The account of Nicholas identifies parents and home in considerable detail, and some of that information (if sourced) you could include. What else distinguishes these men? When and/or where and/or with whom did each JF live, even if you can only state circa or florit. How do you know that these men are cousins, and not uncle and nephew, father and son, etc.? Might their stories be better as two sections in one article?

Good luck ... GeeBee60 (talk) 15:25, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

{{reply to|@GeeBee60: Thank you for your suggestions. I take them to heart and will follow best I can. But I have a follow up question. The comment about archaic language is valid, it was mentioned by @Robert McClenon: whom I think is the one who moved and renamed my article into draft. I assume you are referring to the article John Ferrar (Virginia Settler)that is the one title I wish changed to John Ferrar (Deputy Treasurer, Virgina Company), as it confuses me every time I see it. That aside, the "archaic language" you note is, I think, the same that Robert McClenon notes, but it is actuallly a quotation encapsulated in "...", and the reference to it is at the end of the paragraph I quoted.

As regards their stories being better in one section than two. I quite agree, my original idea was to publish it as a single article with the title A Tale of two John Ferrars. However I was advised not to do that, because it becomes a narrative, and if published Google might not pick it up.

Question: Is it inappropriate or "illegal" to quote (partial) from a book? Or is it because the language is archaic? On the other hand, because of my age and background I tend to write in using "archaic" words and phrases, such as ..she was with child, rather than she was pregnant (which sounds crude, at least to me). Your other suggestions are quite valid and valuable and I will set about trying to incorporate them. Alvanhholmes (talk) 16:26, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

@Alvanhholmes: I have never published in WP with the goal of being picked up by Google. WP is not a journal shortcut with less vetting. If you want to go that route, find a publisher. You might be able to have "A tale of two John Ferrars" as a section, but your WP title and your writing needs to be as clear and concise as possible. If you quote, attribute, and if you don't quote, rewrite. Try this:

Farrar family (Virginia Company).

Two men named ‘’’John Ferrar’’’ (Farrar) played importants roles in the Virginia Company; they were cousins. Most commonly they are distinguished by their different roles.

The elder of the two cousins was born circa …

I suggest this conversation be continued on your draft / talk pages. GeeBee60 (talk) 17:22, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

@GeeBee60: I certainly will move the conversation to draft. But for the record. It was not my intention to publish something for wiki. It was another user who mentioned to me that I should split the article into two that google will pick it up. There is no need to write a book (and too old for that, and I have been asked to write much more interesting books..no interest in that either, and no time, I'm already 6 months past my expiration date..truth.Alvanhholmes (talk) 18:10, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

Comments on John Ferrar and John Ferrar

I suggested that User:Alvanhholmes bring this discussion here. I will add that it is preferred to keep discussion in one section in talk and help forums rather than to have multiple sections (although I have responded in both sections here). First, I agree that it is hard to tell what John Ferrar the elder is notable for. I tried to ask that, but perhaps my question was too subtle. At a minimum, both of the drafts need good clear lede sentences explaining what the subject is notable for, and I don't really have a clue about the elder John Ferrar. I have generally thought, as a personal opinion, that if there is a good written record about someone from the nineteenth or earlier centuries, the subject is probably notable. However, in this case, I am not sure. Why is Ferrar the elder important? I understand about the younger.

Second, I did ask in my initial review whether the article or articles were copied from another source, because they appeared to be written in an archaic style. There appears to be a two-part explanation about that. First, the submitter writes in an archaic style (but often one that needs heavy copy-edit). Second, portions were indeed copied, and the submitter was evidently trying to provide proper attribution, but it is very hard to tell what parts of the two drafts are being quoted. That is, the submitter is unfortunately not satisfying the most basic rule of copying-quoting, which is to make it clear what is being copied or quoted.

Third, I am confused and distressed by the comments about Google. I don't know what the submitter means, but if they mean what I think, which is that they are submitting these drafts to Wikipedia in order so that Google searches will find them, that isn't the intended purpose or role of Wikipedia, which is a stand-alone encyclopedia, a treasure-room of knowledge that can be entered through its own gate, not simply a hidden room behind the gate of Google. If the submitter is thinking primarily about Google, then they should start thinking primarily about Wikipedia itself (or publish somewhere else).

Fourth, as I mention below, when I reviewed the two drafts in sandboxes, I tried to guess what would be the most appropriate titles if they were accepted into article space. A clear title goes hand in hand with a good lede sentence.

Robert McClenon (talk) 20:31, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

Publishing an article

I have recently finished my article on the Czech Vz. 53 Helmet and it is published to wikipedia, but how do I get it to show up on google?

Thank you JacobMinor33 (talk) 01:29, 23 November 2018 (UTC) JacobMinor33

Once the page is formally reviewed, it takes time for Google to index it. Please be patient. 331dot (talk) 01:33, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by JacobMinor33 (talk • contribs) 01:40, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

@JacobMinor33: Well done for persevering with your article! Edaham (talk) 01:57, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

Citation

Hi. I am having trouble finding reliable sources, or any sources at all, to cite for my article. It's probably because my article is about teardrop levers, something that no one really talks about and that I only heard about from my teacher. Do you have any recommendations or suggestions?

Thanks,

MrEagerMcBeaver (talk) 04:07, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi MrEagerMcBeaver. If what you're writing about is something that no one really talks about and something that you only heard about from your teacher, then perhaps it's not something which should have a Wikipedia article written about it. Wikipedia article content is only intended to reflect what has been written about the article in reliable sources and only those subjects which have received significant coverage in reliable sources tend to be deemed Wikipedia notable for a stand-alone article to be written. Perhaps there's some way for you to incorporate content about the subject in "Brass instrument valve" or some other article about instruments which use the valve. Try asking for some feedback at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Musical Instruments since someone belonging to that WikiProject might be able to offer suggestions or help find reliable sources related to the subject. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:25, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi MrEagerMcBeaver. Teardrop levers are also found on toilet cisterns, and various other places. I get the impression that they don't all operate in the way you describe, with wires, even in musical instruments. An encyclopaedia does not use sentences containing "I mentioned". I think Marchjuly's suggestion to add a section to Brass instrument valve might be the best option. Dbfirs 08:17, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

Can i somehow notify the comment maker that the articles were referenced from independent sources but mistakenly attributed to the author?

I had wrongly attributed all the references to the author instead of the news agencies and this resulted in the rejection of the below article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Sushrut_Ashok_Badhe with the comment "every single reference is something written by the subject. Please see WP:BIO for what we're looking for in the way of independent sources. -- RoySmith (talk) 23:09, 14 July 2018 (UTC)"

The author is a record holder and has set records for rewriting ancient scriptures into english rhymes and this has been covered in independent and prestigious journals/newspapers.

I rectified the references with proper attribution but there has been no progress in the article. How do i solve this issue now?

Can i somehow notify the comment maker that the articles were referenced from independent sources but mistakenly attributed to the author? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sushrut Badhe (talk • contribs) 07:03, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

@Sushrut Badhe: Judging by your user name, it appears that you are writing an autobiography, or are associated with the subject about whom you are writing. That being said, there do appear to be a number of mentions of the subject of the article in various sources. These possibly confer notability. I suggest you compile a list of sources, make a skeleton of the draft you are trying to create, add proper categories to it and submit the article title at Wikipedia's section on Articles for Creation. When you visit that page, be sure to read everything at the top. In particular it says: "If you have a conflict of interest with the topic you are writing about, you should disclose it on the article talk page; see WP:DISCLOSE."

Lastly, and this is very important, please have a look at our username policy at this link and carefully consider the information therein. Many thanks. Edaham (talk) 07:35, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

About categories in a draft, see WP:DRAFTNOCAT. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:53, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for that @Gråbergs Gråa Sång: I didn’t know that. How about wiki projects? Is it ok to add those on a draft article, using rater for example? Sounds like a novice question i know, but I’ve not had a lot of experience working with drafts - other than moving articles to draftspace during the review process. Many thanks Edaham (talk) 15:10, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

Edaham, sorry, no idea. Don't think I ever added a wikiproject to anything. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:19, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

Confused about how to produce translated versions of already existing wikapedia pages

Hello, I am new on Wikapedia and had a desire to translate into English various articles which currently only exist in French. I read the guide regarding this but still am not clear on how I should do. Should I create it as if it were a 100% new article and then somehow link it post creation to the origional article ? Should I create it without electronic links, etc ? How does that work ? Are there more experienced people available who (if I were to produce a nice translation simply) could take care of the technical stuff ? Many Thanks Devon — Preceding unsigned comment added by MrDevonWinters (talk • contribs) 10:19, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi MrDevonWinters. Please take a look at Wikipedia:Translation because it contains information you might find helpful. -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:09, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

My article was deleted

Hey. I previously created a page called "Bandito Tour", which was deleted after proposed deletion. I accepted the decision until new sources came to light allowing major expansion to the page. I therefore re-created the page under "The Bandito Tour" (I changed the name because the tour was marketed thus). It was speedily deleted a day or two later because it "is substantially identical to the deleted version, and any changes do not address the reasons for which the material was deleted". I had however addressed the reasons it was deleted (the first article had mainly been a list of dates and had some content about a different concert): I expanded the page, removed unrelated content, added an entire new section on the concert synopsis and had made a review section including a review from Billboard and Forbes. What should I do now? (in addition, some other user has recreated the page, but it is unencyclopedic and has also been nominated for speedy deletion, which will likely happen.) MikeOwen ^discuss 10:55, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi MikeOwen, try leaving a message for the deleting admin Athaenara arguing that your version was improved from the AFD version and asking that it be undeleted or restored as a draft. —teb728 t c 11:35, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi MikeOwen. Just a general comment first. While I'm sure you didn't mean anything by it, it's not really a good idea to refer to articles you create as "my article" because it might mistakenly lead others to assume you're trying to exert some kind of ownership over it or that you might be somehow connected to the subject.

Since the both your version and the version discussed at AfD have already been deleted, there's no way for anyone who's not an administrator to see both versions and compare them; moreover, Bandito Tour has already been deleted twice per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bandito Tour (most recently by Sandstein); so, any recreation of the article (especially within a few weeks of the close of the last AfD) is probably going to be seen as WP:G4. So, my suggestion is that same as what teb728 advised above, except with a little twist. Try to explain to Athaenara how your version is an improvement over the previously deleted ones and then request that it be draftified. This will give you a chance to continue to improve it and address the points raised in the two aforementioned AfDs. Then, when you think it's ready to be moved to the WP:MAINSPACE, either submit the draft for review via WP:AFC or ask one of the admins who previously deleted the article to take a look at it.

Finally, there's nothing you can do about The Bandito Tour, unless that is the correct Wikipedia name for the subject. In that case, there might need to be a WP:HISTMERGE involving the two articles moving the page history of "Bandito Tour" to "The Bandito Tour". -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:04, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

issue displaying this preview

Hi, I want to publish an article on our historic congregation: First Baptist Church of Greater Cleveland, Ohio

"First Baptist Church of Greater Cleveland located at 3630 Fairmount Blvd. Shaker Heights, Oh 44118...." 12 KB (1,896 words) - 14:22, 22 November 2018

I think it is ready, I got it moved onto the article page, but there's a note "there was an issue displaying this preview." However, there's no clue to what the issue might be or how to correct it. I'm new to all this, so any help would be appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kfrankburris (talk • contribs) 10:56, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

This must be about First Baptist Church of Greater Cleveland, Ohio. I don't see the note you describe. It's unclear to me whether the article is meant to be about the congregation, or the building. I suspect that the building is notable in Wikipedia's sense, and that the existence of an article about it is therefore justified; but that the congregation is not notable, and the material about it should be removed. Maproom (talk) 11:21, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

Request edit

I would like to amend the link References section in the following page

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Via_Lattea

The "Italian Ski Resorts Overview" is linking to our old URL

Please can you amend the link to the following

https://www.holidayhomesinitaly.co.uk/ski-regions/

Thank you Mark— Preceding unsigned comment added by Sparky2705 (talk • contribs) 11:14, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

Sparky2705 A duplicate request was declined on your user talk page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Teb728 (talk • contribs) 13:03, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

Sources

Hi

I have been told to revise an article on the grounds that the 3 sources I have used in my article are "unreliable", even though, these sources are journalistic publications and are independent. I have seen other pages that are published on Wikipedia that only cite 1 source. I have 3. I would like another editor to revise the article, if I may. I don't know how to pursue this, because the subject is a media icon, the sources are media in their nature. The editor has suggested the sources are related to the subject - well they are going to - because the subject is works in the media!

Looking forward to resolving this issue.

Regards, Maureen Sikabukiki — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maureensikabukiki (talk • contribs) 11:48, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse Maureensikabukiki. After a quick look at Draft:Brad Baker, I notice that one of your references does not even mention the subject (and so is of no use either for verification or establishing notability), and another is written by his management (and so is about as far as possible from being independent from him). —teb728 t c 13:29, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

Renaming Draft

Could someone with admin privileges please rename https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:John_Ferrar_(Virginia_settler), to John Ferrar (Deputy Treasurer, Virginia Company). Not only is the tite (Virginia Settler) inaccurate but it is confusing. It isnot the title of the article I produced in my sandbox. Thank youAlvanhholmes (talk) 12:47, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

 done - page moved to Draft:John_Ferrar_(Deputy_Treasurer,_Virginia_Company) you don’t need to be an admin to do that. Having done this however, I should mention that before moving it to main space the final article title might want revising a bit. Please read this bit of information about natural disambiguation. When using brackets after a title to clarify it we usually try to use the most concise method possible. If it can be cut down to one word that would be ideal. Edaham (talk) 15:16, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

@Edaham:Thanks you very much for your help and advice. There are, unfortunately, a few things that I don't understand. You said you moved the draft, and you don't have to be an admin to do that. Question: How did you move the draft and is the old draft still there? I did read the bit about Natural Disambiguation, and I have a question on that. What Would the Title John Ferrar Deputy Treasurer, Virginia Company be disamgbiguous?. I would like to name the article John Ferrar Deputy Treasurer, Virginia Company But I didn't think that was allowed. Is that permissible? If so how do I "move" it.It wasn't me that put the title in brackets. I believe that I had originally titled it as John Ferrar Deputy Treasurer and when it was moved to drafts: who ever moved it retitled it.

There is a similar situation with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:John_Ferrar_(Lincolnshire_esquire), when I submitted it, the name was changed. I would like it renamed John Ferrar the elder of London. I realize that it is rather long, but it should not be named Lincolnshire, as he was a wealthy London Merchant, and Lincolnshire was just one of many counties in which he owned property, Alvanhholmes (talk) 17:56, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

@Alvanhholmes: articles about people normally have the person's name as a title, and if there are several articles about people with the same name, a clarification is usually added within parantheses. The description in parantheses should be as brief and specific as possible. More information here. However, I would not worry about the names of the draft articles; if they are moved into the main encyclopedia, the reviewer who accepts them should also make sure that the article title conforms to the manual of style. --bonadea contributions talk 18:08, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

User:Bonadea - I respectfully disagree if you are saying that the title of a draft doesn't matter. I don't know about other reviewers, but, as a reviewer, I try to give a draft the title that I think it is likely to have if and when it is accepted. I moved the two drafts from AH's sandboxes and had to guess what titles they should have. "The elder" isn't useful in a stand-alone article on one person, except in cases usually from ancient history where "the elder" has already been become part of the standard designation of a person, such as Pliny the elder who has long been called that to distinguish him from Pliny the younger. I tried to give these drafts the best possible titles, because I think that the subjects are probably notable. I was very briefly thinking of accepting the drafts, before I had reviewed them and realized that they needed a lot of rework, starting with copy-editing. As a reviewer, I think that titles of drafts in draft space should be the titles that are proposed for acceptance. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:07, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

I actually did not mean to imply that the titles don't matter - I simply wanted to point out that spending time on discussing the titles of drafts that are still not ready to be accepted into mainspace is not the most important aspect. I agree with you about the titles of these drafts. --bonadea contributions talk 21:49, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

@Bonadea: Thank you for your suggestion and link to manual of style. It gets confusing on one hand I am told to use John Ferrar (Trasurer... and on the other to use John Ferrar the Elder. One user told me to split the subjct (two John Ferrars) into two articles, another suggest that I incorporate them into one called Farrar Family. (I do not like that option anymore). While I deal with this issue could you possibly help me by changing the title of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:John_Ferrar_(Lincolnshire_esquire) to at least John Ferrar (London_Esquire. thanksAlvanhholmes (talk) 19:01, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

Moving

User:Alvanhholmes - Read the instructions on moving a page. Moving a page renames it, but it normally leaves a redirect at the old location, so that both the old title and the new title can be used to find the page. Moving can be done in draft space, in article space, from draft space to article space, or almost anywhere in Wikipedia. Accepting an article is done by a script that moves it from draft space to article space and makes historical changes to it. Any autoconfirmed editor can move a page, unless there is a page protection, which is not the case here. (There are special types of moves that are limited to admins and to page movers, but those special types of moves are not involved here.) Yes, as you said on my talk page, there are a lot of details that you can read about. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:07, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

Nicola Loporchio

Hi everyone, need your help. I've submitted two days ago an article for "Nicola Loporchio", as mentioned in the subject/headline, but it seems some links or font are missing. So, since I'm pretty unexperienced with this kind of stuff, I'd like for someone to help me or even point me out what I shall still credit, so I can add notes.

Hope someone can help me and thanks in advance.

Best, Marco — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marco Squicciarini (talk • contribs) 14:12, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

ISSA MUSSE

The Isse Musse or CIISE MUUSE Arabic: عيسى موسى also spelled as Ciisaa Muusaa : is a Somali clan. It's one of the major Somali clans, with a vast traditional territory spanning 3 major regions of Somaliland Togdheer , Sahil and Marodi Jeh. Its members form a part of the Isaaq clan family, and primarily inhabit the Somaliland. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Issa Musse Clans (talk • contribs) 15:37, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

@Issa Musse Clans: Hi. This is the Teahouse, a place for asking questions about Wikipedia or how to edit it. What exactly do you want? ―Abelmoschus Esculentus ^{talk / contribs} 15:40, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

Hello Wikipedia

How do you reference? Iam2yearsold (talk) 16:36, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

I have blocked this editor and given them some advice on their talk page. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 17:38, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

Is using a photo from an instagram account fair use?

I want to use a photo from an instagram account on a WP page. I just want to be sure that using a photo from an instagram page doesn't violate the WP rules. Here's an article I came across. Wikimikey423 18:35, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Wikimikey423. Simple answer - no. You are most definitely not entitled to take any image from the internet or social media and use it on Wikipedia unless that image is very clearly associated with a licence from the copyright owner, releasing it for non-commercial and commercial use (CC-BY-SA). There are some exceptions for 'fair use' (see Wikipedia:Non-free content), but that almost certainly won't apply to instagram posts that people have taken of them or their friends. We take image ownership very seriously, and you should not rely on what that some web article says, but follow either Wikipedia's own rules (see Wikipedia:Image use policy), or, if you're thinking of uploading to Wikimedia Commons, Commons:Licensing. Hope this clarifies things for you. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 20:35, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks Nick. Wikimikey423 04:03, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

References

Correcting incorrect use of hyphens in music titles?

If someone released an album titled "Something - Something else", would the article use that title or replace the hyphen with a dash ("Something – Something else")?  Nixinova  T  C  20:12, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Nixinova and welcome to the Teahouse. Goodness, that's an interesting and extremely challenging question to answer. Whether I shall manage it, I'm not fully certain. So this comes with a caveat that it's just my view on quite a tricky area, that often only concerns editors when we're talking about articles graded by peer review as either Good Article or Featured Article. Firstly, it's worth reminding ourselves that we have three different dash-like symbols:

• -(hyphen)
• –(en dash)
• —(em dash)

We have the hyphen on our keyboards, but can select the other two symbols by selecting/clicking them from the'special characters' feature in the editing window. Their usages are described in our Manual of Style (shortcuts: MOS:DASH and MOS:HYPHEN. In normal usage a hyphen never has spaces next to it as its purpose is to link one word which modifies the other. So your typing of "Something - Something else" with a hyphen surrounded by spaces is wrong to start with, but I take it that that's how some illiterate record company issued it, rather than your error! An en dash is always used with a space either side of it, whilst an em dash never has spaces.

Now, a song like Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da (or 2-4-6-8 Motorway) uses hyphens, and searching for Ob – La – Di, Ob – La – Da (with en dashes) doesn't yield a valid result. I think the use of hyphens in both examples is appropriate

But there's an interesting guideline in MOS:DASH which states "In article titles, do not use a hyphen (-) as a substitute for an en dash, for example in eye–hand span (since eye does not modify hand). Nonetheless, to aid searching and linking, provide a redirect with hyphens replacing the en dash(es), as in eye-hand span."

Because users are extremely unlikely to be searching with anything other than standard keyboard characters, it would not be at all appropriate to change or create an article with a title so that it contains unusual characters (such as en dashes or em dashes) unless it was very clearly clear that the album was originally named that way. I think in that circumstance the advice in WP:TITLESPECIALCHARACTERS applies, namely that a WP:REDIRECT should then be created, allowing users to deploy standard keyboard characters in their searches, yet still be directed towards the unusually formatted title, much in the same way as they should be directed towards articles containing accented letters (e.g. Emile Rey, which redirects to Émile Rey) .

But in your question you are asking whether or not to unilaterally change standard hyphens used in naming an album (and thus in a Wikipedia article) to one containing these unusual characters and I can't see any justification for that. I certainly don't think that WP:COMMONNAME is likely ever to apply, as we name articles depending upon popular usage, not what the subject is officially called, and I doubt the general media would be likely to deploy en dashes or em dashes in lieu of hyphens in album titles. But maybe you have examples that suggest otherwise?

So, to sum up: Don't unilaterally change hyphens to dashes but, if you feel you really need to, just ensure you create a redirect using hyphens to help users find the article under its other format. I will be interesting to discover whether others editors here agree, or if have different views on this, or whether I've missed something fundamental in my reply to you. Either way, I hope all this waffle (TL;DR?) helps a little, and perhaps you'd enlighten us by telling us the name of the actual album you're thinking of,or any naming dispute you're having? Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 02:03, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Nixinova. This is the philosophy that has brought me great success in avoiding dash-hyphen wars in almost ten years of editing Wikipedia: Whenever I want to add a little typographical horizontal line anywhere in Wikipedia, I just click the most accessible key on my smartphone, and move on. If any editors want to to come along and change those little horizontal lines to slightly larger little horizontal lines, then "more power to them!" I simply will not argue about it. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 07:43, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Sometimes the pragmatic answer is the best answer!! Thanks Cullen328. Nick Moyes (talk) 10:01, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

I just wanted to create a redirect in Mesannepada page... (sorry for my english)

...but I don't manage to pass the editorial barriers because I do not have enough English. I thought it was enough to click on the red link Tell el-Obeid, write Tell al-'Ubaid in the model for redirect, but I face editorial warnings as if I were a novice (indeed, I'm a novice in WP:en. It seems to me that it is simpler on WP.fr, without wanting to offend anyone nor deny the need to guide the new editors. Zythème (talk) 21:23, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

@Zythème: You make the redirect correctly and it was not turned down because of English. There are no warnings on your talk page.

The problem was you created the redirect in draft space instead of in article space. I have moved it to article space. Ian.thomson (talk) 21:34, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for these explanations ! Zythème (talk) 21:54, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

Edit Suggestions?

I have done all I think can be done with my (first) article on the Czechoslovakian Vz. 53 Helmet. Are there any edit suggestions for this article so I can get it out there as soon as possible? — Preceding unsigned comment added by JacobMinor33 (talk • contribs) 00:19, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

@JacobMinor33: I recommend going through and replacing some of the sources. Try to stick to professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources. Anyone can write blogs or put sites up on Weebly or open entries on Ebay or post on forums. Avoid any source with "wiki" in the name (such as this one), even Wikipedia. Even if a personal site looks nice, if the author is not a recognized authority then it has not been vetted for fact checking.

I noticed that you largely wrote the article and then added sources to it. That's the hard way. The easy way to write an article about anyone or anything is to:

1) Choose a topic whose notability is attested by discussions of it in several reliable independent sources.

2) Gather as many professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources you can find. Google Books is a good resource for this. Also, while search engine resutls are tnot sources, they are where you can find sources. Just remember that they need to be professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources.

3) Focus on just the ones that are not dependent upon or affiliated with the subject, but still specifically about the subject and providing in-depth coverage (not passing mentions). If you do not have at least three such sources, the subject is not yet notable and trying to write an article at this point will only fail.

4) Summarize those sources left after step 3, adding citations at the end of them. You'll want to do this in a program with little/no formatting, like Microsoft Notepad or Notepad++, and not in something like Microsoft Word or LibreOffice Writer. Make sure this summary is just bare statement of facts, phrased in a way that even someone who hates the subject can agree with.

5) Combine overlapping summaries (without arriving at new statements that no individual source supports) where possible, repeating citations as needed.

6) Paraphrase the whole thing just to be extra sure you've avoided any copyright violations or plagiarism.

7) Use the Article wizard to post this draft and wait for approval.

8) Expand the article using sources you put aside in step 3 (but make sure they don't make up more than half the sources for the article, and make sure that affiliated sources don't make up more than half of that).

Doing something besides those steps typically results in the article not being approved, or even in its deletion. I have sources for an article that needs to be written (red plastic gas cans) on my user page. Ian.thomson (talk) 00:26, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Page Approval

When will my page be approved and how do i make sure it is as accurate and reliable as possible? How long does the approval process take? link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Kiefer_Dixon — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emilycwilliams (talk • contribs) 03:54, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Emilycwilliams. You have not submitted your draft for review and it definitely will not be accepted if you don't submit it. But please do not submit it now because it would almost certainly not be accepted. Your draft has only one reference and that reference is not properly formatted. That reference is an interview of this skateboarder in Norwood News, a local biweekly. Interviews are not independent sources and do not establish notability. Acceptable Wikipedia articles summarize what multiple reliable, independent sources have written about the topic, which is Dixon in this case. Please read and study Your first article and Referencing for beginners. You will need to provide references that show that this skateboarder is actually notable, as Wikipedia defines that term. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:18, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

I need some help with the page Guangdong Museum

Is it acceptable to use "delicate" or "great" here?

Architecture

The design of the museum, comprising a kind of multi-layer, delicate, transparent spatial configuration, was inspired by the traditional Cantonese ivory puzzle ball, which is characterized by a delicate stack of carved ivory, similar to an onion... The ivory puzzle ball represents the great technique of Cantonese vernacular craftsmanship. Therefore, as a cultural symbol, the ivory sculpture gives the museum both a meaningful spatial concept and cultural resonance.

Thanks.James Booker fan (talk) 06:17, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

The answer is, it depends on the context. The paragraph reads as a little flowery and over promotional, a bit like a brochure for the museum. A very nicely written brochure, but not quite suitable for an encyclopedia. It is also completely unreferenced. "Delicate" appeared twice in the same sentence; that may be why it got removed. The way "great" is used reads oddly, (why is it/what makes it great?; does it mean wonderful, or big, or?).

There is WP:TERSE - says among other things, that subjective qualifiers should be avoided. WP:FLOWERY also mentions words to avoid. The information surrounding those two shortcuts is pretty good if you are looking for writing tips and general style guide. Not really relevant to this query, but good for general writing, wording and a laugh, is WP:ASTONISHME Curdle (talk) 14:06, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Work with you

Hey there!, I am an Arabic-English, English-Arabic, Spanish-English, Englsih-Spanish, Spanish-Arabic and Arabic-Spanish translator with experience over 3 years. I am also an Arabic teacher for non Aabic speakers for more than 3 years too.

I wonder, how can I work with you? I really like your passion and your purpose to improve the internet ant to make a better place.

I have more than 5 years in experience as a volunteer, so I know what does to do something for the world mean.

I am really interested, and looking forward to hear you soon!

Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 105.202.204.222 (talk) 07:14, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Hello, IP editor. I recommend that you consider setting up a Wikipedia account. Although this is optional, it has the great benefit of facilitating communication with your fellow editors, which is very useful when you have translation skills. The choice is yours. Please start by reading Wikipedia:Translation and associated pages. Please feel free to ask any follow up questions here at the Teahouse. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 07:53, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Question

I have clicked a picture of a football match on an other device . How do I transfer it to commons ? 223.176.85.76 (talk) 07:18, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Start here:[7]. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:14, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Replying to "Talk"

Hello, I made my first edit. John from Idegon commented here about how it seemed to violate rules of conflict of interest. I didn't know how to reply so that he would know that I was replying to him so I put my reply on his "talk" page. Now I can't find that reply, called "Highwood, IL" in the subject, I think. So I'm basically wondering how you reply to a "New Section" so that it alerts the person who wrote it. Thank you! Judy — Preceding unsigned comment added by JStrikerToo (talk • contribs) 08:12, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi JStrikerToo. I'm not sure what you're asking, but your posts to John from Idegon can be found at User talk:John from Idegon/unprotected#Re: Highwood, IL. It also looks like you posted the same on User talk:John from Idegon, but then removed the post yourself for some reason. As for notifying someone of a post, there's no real need to do so when you post something on their user talk page since the system should automatically let them that someone has posted something new or otherwise edited the pafe. If, however, you post something on a general noticeboard (like the Teahouse, etc.) or an article talk page, then you can let them know as explained in Wikipedia:Notifications. -- Marchjuly (talk) 09:54, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

(e/c) Welcome to the Teahouse JStrikerToo. Your initial reply was at User talk:John from Idegon/unprotected, which is a special page John from Idegon set up for use when his main talk page was protected (which it is not now). You did well with that reply: You provided a Subject/headline. and you signed your post with four tildes ~~~~ It would have been better if you had pinged him with {{u|John from Idegon}}.

Your later reply on your own talk page was a better place for a reply, for it kept it together with his original post. This reply would have been better if you had signed it with ~~~~ and if you had begun both paragraphs with a colon (:) as the first character of the line (a leading colon causes indentation like in my reply here). —teb728 t c 09:56, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Separate from reaching John, my opinion is that you have a conflict of interest, even if not paid, and more to the point, I agree with his opinion that what you added was unsourced promotional junk. Better to have a short description and a reference. David notMD (talk) 13:16, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

I need help with publishing the draft article I created

Hi..... I created a draft article about a notable British-Nigerian Journalist, Chukwuemeka Nnamdi Asinugo, but until now it has neither been reviewed nor deleted. Can someone please help me with the article? I really want it to be visible to the public. I created the draft article since a month ago. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fredrick Maximum (talk • contribs) 10:02, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

@Fredrick Maximum: Your draft has not been submitted for review; if it were, however, it would be rejected as it reads like a resume or list of accomplishments, and not an encyclopedia article. It also has no independent reliable sources with significant coverage to support its content. You should read Your First Article to learn what is expected of new articles and perhaps also use the new user tutorial. 331dot (talk) 09:51, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

How to create a subpage?

I want to create a subpage to keep a track of my list of vandals but please tell me how can I create a subpage?Denim11 (talk) 11:46, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi Denim11, how about saving it at User:Denim11/vandals? I created that subpage name in the edit window. Or you could enter it in the Search box, and it will give you a link to start the subpage. —teb728 t c 12:05, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi Denim11. Just curious as to why you feel the need to create such a list and what pages these editors are supposed to be vandalizing. My experience is that generally lists of this type don't really serve a good purpose and might even be seen as a violation of WP:POLEMIC. If you're having problems with vandalisim, then it's best to just try and deal with it as explained in WP:RVAN. -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:14, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi Marchjuly I made this list to keep track of the vandals who have atleast got a 2 level warning to see their recent contributions. If it is a violation please let me know.Denim11 (talk) 12:22, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Even though I'm sure you're intentions are good, I'm not sure if creating a list like this is such a good idea since listing editors such as this might be seen a inappropriate per bullet points 2 and 3 in WP:POLEMIC. Other editors might feel differently about this, but it seems the potential for error outweighs any benefits you might get from such a list. User warning templates are not always in accordance with relevant policy and sometimes might actually be used where no vandalism as occurred; so, it could create some bad feelings among other editors if they find out you've added their names to your list. -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:45, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Please remember that you recently blasted a new user with a vandalism warning for what was only an inappropriate question at TeaHouse. David notMD (talk) 13:22, 24 November 2018 (UTC) Hi David notMD I remember that incident but I have also apologised on your talk page and it will never happen again.Denim11 (talk) 13:35, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Translating an article about myself

There is an article about me in the Spanish Wikipedia (es:Daniel Eisenberg). I did not write it, and didn’t know it existed until six years after it was written. It has been translated into French and Esperanto.

If I translate it to English for this WP, would that violate a policy? deisenbe (talk) 14:22, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Notability - Article flagged for deletion - Procedural questions!

I hope this is the right way to ask my question... I recently created a page about Phineas Pratt, a historical figure who is noted on the Plimoth.org and Pilgrim Hall sites, as well in numerous stories of the first years of the Plymouth/Pilgrim Colony, as he was a contemporary chronicler and an actor in those events. It was flagged for deletion due to notability. My question is around the best way to handle such a flag and if I took all the appropriate steps. I went to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Phineas_Pratt and added a KEEP note (which I guess I cited with the wrong type of linking—I had read another entry and was trying to follow suit—but I think I cleaned it up after I was called stupid. ;D ). This morning I received an email saying the page had been reviewed by Barkeep49. I also received a separate note saying the page had been edited today (11/24) by Barkeep49, but there was no summary and I don't see any evidence at all on the page. The AfD flag is still present. Can someone help me to understand what a review means, and if there is something I should be doing but have not to establish the notability of my subject. Thanks very much in advance. Darcyjae (talk) 14:58, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

For https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Aurora_Gulli what is the best way to certify the age?

Would it be possible to send a photo of the id so that the age of the young lady can be certified — Preceding unsigned comment added by Agulli (talk • contribs) 16:15, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

I don't think that would be valid because anyone can fake a photo of an ID. What you need is an independent WP:Reliable source that gives the age or date of birth. If you can't find that, then don't include an age in the article. Dbfirs 16:44, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Howie Wyeth Musician

You have this information stated incorrectly. Howie Did Not die in 1996. "Wyeth died of cardiac arrest at St. Vincent's Hospital in Manhattan on March 27, 1996" It was several years later. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Phyllisanncollins (talk • contribs) 16:19, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Can you find an obituary for a WP:Reliable source? Dbfirs 16:23, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi Phyllisanncollins and welcome to the Teahouse. I think perhaps it is your memory that is faulty, unless you are accusing the New York Times of publishing "fake news". It was a Wednesday. Dbfirs 16:26, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Habung

Habung is a small place in Dhemaji.. Habung got its significance after the arrival of Tai prince Sukapha

Habung is derived from Tai Ahom origin Means Ha= "5" Bung = "to become king"

As Habung was the Fifth capital of Ahom dynasty, and sukafa was the founder of Ahom dynasty.

If anyone visit habung then one can find the ruins of Ahom monuments.. Now recently CM of Assam sarbananda sonowal donates 2 corores to habung for the rivival and to save the Ruins of Ahom history .

Also Ahom people now a days perform their Traditional rituals like ma-dam-ma-fi. Also Bihu was to celebrate here