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Zilch-nada

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Request concerning Zilch-nada

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: JayBeeEll (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 00:57, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: Zilch-nada (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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Sanction or remedy to be enforced: Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gender and sexuality#Contentious topic designation

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

Longstanding and systematic use of dismissive and belittling tone towards other editors:
1. 2 July 2023
2. 2 July 2023
3. 27 September 2023
4. 15 December 2023
5. 12 March 2024
6. 13 March 2024 (a response to a request to retract a personal attack)
7. 13 March 2024
8. 14 March 2024
9. 14 March 2024 (a third party requests that they retract a personal attack; they decline)
10. 1 February 2024
11. 1 February 2024
12. 7 February 2024
Bludgeoning discussions in the face of clear consensus, and battleground behavior: I'm not exactly sure how to show this in diffs, but they've made roughly a dozen comments on Talk:Sarah Jeong and about twice that many at Talk:Gender, rehashing longstanding settled questions, taking a heavily argumentative (rather than consensus-building) approach, and not desisting despite the evident failure of their efforts to draw any support. Here's a sampling to try to illustrate the basic tenor of their contributions:
1. March 14 at Talk:Gender
2. March 13 at Talk:Gender
3. March 12 at Talk:Sarah Jeong
4. March 12 at Talk:Sarah Jeong
5. March 12 at Talk:Sarah Jeong

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Alerted about discretionary sanctions or contentious topics in the area of conflict, on 17 January 2023 (see the system log linked to above).

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

Basically this user wants to use talk-pages as a debating society, in sensitive topic-areas. Their corrosive behavior is not limited to contentious topics (see e.g. this early edit summary) but their editing is heavily focused on contentious areas. I think that it would be good if they were firmly directed away from contentious topics, and battleground editing more generally. --JBL (talk) 00:57, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've added three additional diffs of inappropriate behavior on a different page (Talk:Gender-critical feminism) in the topic area. Also, it is worth observing that the contentious edit (13 March) on Gender (whose reversion led to some of the discussions mentioned above) came after this earlier discussion (9–10 February) in which two editors objected and none supported the proposed edit. --JBL (talk) 17:13, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Clarifying about diff 9: after a third party politely requested they retract the personal attack, they declined to do so. (They have, eventually, struck the attack, but only after this discussion was opened.) --JBL (talk) 17:30, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Seraphimblade. Indeed, I would greatly appreciate input from some more administrators so that this could reach some conclusion (whatever it may be). --JBL (talk) 19:38, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

[1]

Discussion concerning Zilch-nada

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Statement by Zilch-nada

(I am requesting to exceed the 500 word limit.)

As I responded to Sandebeouf on my talk page, I apologised for my edit on Sarah Jeong, blindly not seeing the editing notice (I was not aware that the article itself was so contentious.) Furthermore, the notion of BLUDGEONING is a very difficult one to make. "Typically, this means making the same argument over and over, to different people". I have never even done this. In fact, if you see the talk pages across Reverse racism, Sarah Jeong, and Gender - contentious areas which editors accuse me of misconduct -, I have employed different arguments depending on the shifting of consensus. For instance, at Gender I proposed that the "man"/"woman" dichotomy was unclear, and then first suggested to replace to "male"/"female" (which was reliably sourced). Following that being not particularly accepted, I proposed changing the definition to relate to "man"/"woman"/boy/girl as it corresponded with the particular source (the WHO) that had been particularly cited. As for the talk page on Sarah Jeong, I likewise said that a particular statement was out of context. My first idea was to lengthen to statement to employ quotations of tweet(s) which I thought were strangely absent, then, as that clearly didn't seem popular, I suggested shortening the statement as I felt that the current wording of three lines was very awkward not to include quotations.

I don't treat talk pages as debating societies. But that does not mean there is no room for debate. If I make a couple of comments that are individually responded to by different people, I'll continue to respond to them; I never opened up any separate, unrelated discussion upon any discussion I was in. I was only responding to fellow talk page editors.

Furthermore, what is quite vague is the notion "Bludgeoning discussions in the face of clear consensus". There was no clear consensus on the article talk page for Sarah Jeong; the 2018 standing was established from no consenus in 2018: Likewise, even though it clearly seemed that multiple editors in the past few days have formed what seems to be a new consensus in opposition to quotation of tweets, I, as mentioned aboved, opined the shortening of the contentious statement, for the same reason as my original; the statement was awkward, and lacking context. Sandebeouf accuses me of misconduct on Reverse racism, when I was solely pointing out the flaws of the current wording, considering the flaws of the sources - not ignoring them. User:Crescent77 was also a user challenging the main opinion in that discussion. The article talk page on Gender does not have such a clear cut consensus in recent discussion (of course I understand that the current wording is consensus, requiring consensus to be changed), unlike the claims, because I was in conversation with only two people; User:Beccaynr and User:-sche. As there was no consensus among a mere three people, I have considered opening up an RfC, for the main purpose of widening the discussion. I am well aware of that route and acknowledge that it is regularly more suitable than so-called "holding the stick".

Otherwise, I do apologise for any usage of belittling language towards other editors; much of my edit summaries early into this account were admittedly immature (this is my first account), and I aim much more now for civility. As per the list of accusations; I agree that no.2, no.3, and the recent no. 5 and no.6 were unjustified. The no.5 and no.6 I apologised for recently in my talk page. As for the other accusations, I don't know how you could construe "Stop it with the patronizing" as dismissive, other than it being against dismissiveness, and no.7 (I genuinely have no idea how what I said here was in any way uncivil). Regardless, I sincerely apologise for the two main things I am accused of: Dismissiveness and debative attitude. I understand the solutions for the first and the second respectively; for dismissiveness, to listen to and respect people who I myself find dismissive, and for debative attitude, consider "dropping the stick", or potentially opening the discussions to wider realms such as RfCs. --Zilch-nada (talk) 11:13, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Response to Sangdebeouf's first comment; as above, I was not the only dissenter in that discussion.
Response to Sangdebeouf's third comment; I responded to a statement which outright ignored what I was arguing for. I responded to the statement, ""reverse racism"...not a description of reality", because it was frankly an outright strawman, as I clearly never suggested the concept mirror reality whatsoever. Perhaps "strawman" is a better word than "polemic"; either way, I was responding to bad-faith arguments.

Zilch-nada (talk) 00:45, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Response to Aquilion: how do they speak for themselves if my logic employed also followed that of abundantly sourced reliable media?

Zilch-nada (talk) 05:09, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Let me specify; what I said was my opinion, and indeed not a relevant one. But upon merely using "scare quotes" I was pushed to elaborate upon a notion of illegitimacy. I agree that that was irrelevant for the talk, but it was an opinion that was asked for. Zilch-nada (talk) 05:16, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Response to Beccaynr: I demanded a response from no one. I have considered opening up the talk on gender; that is why I have ceased editing it; it's clear it's getting nowhere.

Zilch-nada (talk) 05:12, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

JBL, I also genuinely do not see how no. 9 and no. 12 were uncivil at all. No. 9 was in fact an apology, and I have since struck out my statement in the talk page that I apologised for in no. 9. Zilch-nada (talk) 00:48, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Sangdeboeuf

I also advised Zilch-nada that CTOP applies to biographies of living persons at 22:55, 14 March 2024. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 02:12, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See also Zilch-nada's WP:BLUDGEONING of discussions in the archives of Talk:Reverse racism, which is within the American politics topic area. They are often the sole voice pushing for a contentious change to the article, e.g. Talk:Reverse racism/Archive 9#Reverted edit, where they display a lack of WP:CIVILITY as well as a failure to WP:LISTEN. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 05:43, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For an example of the incivility I'm talking about, see their reply to NightHeron's brief explanation of the existing consensus on how to describe the topic of reverse racism, which Zilch-nada calls "disruptive polemic". If anyone is guilty of disruption in that thread it's Zilch-nada with their multiple WP:TEXTWALLs arguing points that ~~have~~ had already been discussed multiple times. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 00:11, 18 March 2024 (UTC) edited 01:25, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Beccaynr

On 15 March 2024, I wrote notes on Zilch-nada's usertalk [2], [3], about Zilch-nada's conduct in the Talk:Gender discussion Zilch-nada opened on 9 February 2024 (permalink), after some review of Zilch-nada's usertalk history, including a 16 December 2023 note [4] about WP:BLUDGEON from HTGS, described as "just as something to keep in mind; something to think about", and an 11 September 2023 note from Dlthewave [5] that includes discussion of "excessively long comments" and refers to Zilch-nada's participation at Talk:Gender-critical feminism and Talk:Reverse racism.

Zilch-nada continued to restate their point/question on 18 March 2024 in the section I had opened at their usertalk [6]. From my view, three editors, including myself, have explained our perspectives about the current lead to Zilch-nada during the discussion at Talk:Gender, links to past discussions were offered [7], and no one is obligated to answer to Zilch-nada's satisfaction.

I have since skimmed Zilch-nada's participation in discussion at Talk:Isla Bryson case (permalink), which HTGS had referred to. I have some concerns about the potential for future disruptive conduct from Zilch-nada, including because of what seems like some WP:IDHT responses to constructive feedback offered about participation in the GENSEX topic area. Beccaynr (talk) 01:06, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There was also a discussion opened by HTGS on 15 December 2023 at WT:MOS/Biography#Talking about a person’s “former” gender related to the Isla Bryson case article, where Zilch-nada made a personalized comment directed at participants [8]. Beccaynr (talk) 02:05, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think the discussions linked above at Talk:Isla Bryson case and WT:MOS are likely better appreciated if read in full, but some diffs from Zilch-nada at Talk:Isla Bryson case include 00:41, 15 December 2023 Was Isla Bryson previously a man? I cannot believe I am not exaggerating when I say this is Orwellian avoidance of the question. Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia. Answer the question.; 01:00, 15 December 2023; 01:04, 15 December 2023; 01:10, 15 December 2023. Another example of referring to participants as "you people" is at 05:02, 15 December 2023.

Zilch-nada has indicated an interest in the gender article lead, and the second diff in my statement here has three diffs of some of my experience discussing the lead with Zilch-nada. I previously participated in discussions about the lead, and from my view, collaboration and consensus were possible because ultimately, the discussions were not a battleground. Beccaynr (talk) 16:17, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Aquillion

Some relevant bits from an exchange I had with Zilch-nada from the MOS discussion mentioned above, regarding the Isla Bryson case:

[9]: "prior to her transition": yes, when "she" was a man. Jesus Christ.

When I objected to their use of scare-quotes around "she" for a trans woman, they said these things:

[10] Weird accusation. The article uses "she"; that's fine. But I'm not respecting a rapist in talk - I have mostly used the term "they" -, nor am I even remotely suggesting to misgender the average trans person. Nonsense.

When I explained to them that BLPTALK applies even to people who have done terrible things:

[11] Not all "transitions" deserve equal respect - a view clearly espoused by the police, the prisons, politicians like Sturgeon, etc. etc.; that's how I'll refer to this "person" in talk. Is me putting scare quotes around "person" insulting all "persons"? Give it a break.

I think these speak for themselves. --Aquillion (talk) 05:03, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by (username)

Result concerning Zilch-nada

This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.

I haven't gone through every one of the diffs yet, but so far it's a mixed bag. Some of them I'm struggling to see the incivility in. Others, particularly those shown by Aquillion, are clearly inappropriate. I should be able to finish reading through everything tomorrow, I'm just commenting now because I noticed this hasn't received any admin attention yet. The Wordsmith^{Talk to me} 05:16, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
After looking into this deeper, there does appear to be a civility and WP:IDHT problem here. I do see that Zilch-nada has apologized for the poor language and immaturity. I'm on the fence about what should be done about it. Leaning slightly towards a logged warning for now, with the understanding that if we end up back here a topic ban is very likely. I'm open to arguments either way. The Wordsmith^{Talk to me} 21:36, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: I've dearchived this request as it is incomplete, and it looks like discussion was still in process. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 21:42, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
On going through the diffs (and some of Zilch-nada's other posts) it does seem that their tone is rather brusque and dismissive. That said, none of it is actually beyond the pale and therefore I think a logged warning, a mild one that reminds them to AGF in discussions, is likely the best way to close this. RegentsPark (comment) 00:20, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds reasonable enough to me. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 05:09, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jaymailsays

There is consensus for an indefinite block of Jaymailsays. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 22:01, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.
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Request concerning Jaymailsays

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: Kathleen's bike (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 16:39, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: Jaymailsays (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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Sanction or remedy to be enforced: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/The Troubles

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

19:46, March 27, 2024 Adds blatant WP:SYNTHESIS
15:30, March 29, 2024 Repeats previous edit in violation of WP:ONUS despite discussion at Talk:Martin McGuinness#Synthesis and false narrative

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

Blocked for edit-warring at 18:25, February 16, 2024

If contentious topics restrictions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:CTOP#Awareness of contentious topics)

Notified at 18:19, March 10, 2024

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

Largely based on this BBC article (and earlier articles in the Belfast Telegraph and Newsletter), the editor is attempting to relitigate the lengthy Bloody Sunday Inquiry into Bloody Sunday (1972). None of the sources in any way suggest this verdict should be in any way looked at again, so additions such as "the "incendary footage" of McGuinness proves that the Inquiry was misled" and "based on the evidence available at the time" are totally unacceptable, since it should be blatantly obvious that a video of someome in March 1972 isn't evidence of what they were doing on a particular date in January 1972.

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

Notified

Discussion concerning Jaymailsays

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Statement by Jaymailsays

Unfortunately the complainant has now broken the 3 revert rule without consensus or suggesting an edit, on the Martin McGuinness page by removing BBC content, because it doesn't fit in with their personal view, instead of adopting a neutral encyclopaedic edit. Request that a neutral administrator reinstates edit.
The complainant reinstated 14 killed during Bloody Sunday, when the citation linked to the official report states 13 and not 14. The complainant is acting as if they own the article instead of collaborating with editors to gain consensus. Jaymailsays (talk) 15:21, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Mandruss

At the risk of hijacking an AE complaint—this comment is not about The Troubles, but Seraphimblade has already opened this door below—their brief participation at Talk:Donald Trump has been... unimpressive, disappointing.[12][13][14][15] They were asked to strike the PA in that last one,[16] but have so far ignored that (in my view, that constitutes doubling down on the PA, which is even more serious). If they were to suddenly disappear, I wouldn't miss them. But at least they didn't edit war, credit where credit's due. ―Mandruss ☎ 06:00, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by IgnatiusofLondon

Echoing Seraphimblade and Mandruss, I believe there is a WP:CIR issue that extends beyond the scope of AE. I interacted with the editor at Where is Kate?, a BLP article, where the editor continually added WP:UNDUE content (1, 2), extensive citations of routine statements/comments (3, 4, 5), which sometimes broke the prose's grammar (6, 7), and generally unreliable sources (per WP:RSP) or sources of unknown reliability that likely violate WP:BLPGOSSIP (8, 9, 10, 11). A minority of their contributions to the article were uncontested. IgnatiusofLondon (he/him • ☎️) 12:56, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by (username)

Result concerning Jaymailsays

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This editor's talk page is quite the mountain of warnings for OR, poor use of references, and the like, and I see even more of that in these edits. I also note that now they seem to want to needlessly snark at other editors, while there's an AE request open about them: [17]. Jaymailsays, I'd be open to hearing your side, but at this point I'm giving a lot of thought to whether you ought to continue editing at all. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 00:10, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Still considering what to do here, primarily between a TBAN and indef. If anyone else has any input, would be much appreciated. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 06:13, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Given the wide range of topics that Jaymailsays edits, I support an indef. RegentsPark (comment) 17:10, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A Wider Lens

A Wider Lens blocked indefinitely (as a normal admin action) for WP:NOTHERE. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 03:48, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Request concerning A Wider Lens

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 17:04, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: A Wider Lens (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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Sanction or remedy to be enforced

Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gender and sexuality#Contentious topic designation

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

Slow Motion Edit Warring at Skoptic syndrome

09:03, 24 March 2024 Adds the statement , there was a mention of this fetisch in the DSM-VI under code 320.6-3: 'Persistent preoccupation with castration or penectomy without a desire to acquire the sex characteristics of the other sex'.^[1] This was omitted in the DSM-5 for unknown reasons (this is WP:OR, the DSM-VI lists that as an unspecified gender identity disorder but does not call it Skoptic syndrome anywhere in the text)
09:07, 24 March 2024 Adds the uncited WP:OR The Eunuch Archive is a website dedicated to the eunuch fetish. This website is cited by WPATH's SOC-8 as a source for their eunuch chapter.
12:51, 24 March 2024 Revert 1: Reverts an IP who had reverted both items
05:40, 26 March 2024 Revert 2: Another IP had partially reverted the first and fully reverted the second. AWS re-adds the content from item 2
05:42, 26 March 2024‎ Still revert 2: AWS re-adds the content from the first (the DSM-4 listed it in the section gender identity disorder asking if the IP is Euphemizing the phenomenon?
06:28, 27 March 2024‎ Revert 3: Undoes a cn tag placed in the lead by Sirfurboy
06:36, 27 March 2024 Revert 4: Re-adds the content from 2 cited to Genspect after it had been removed by Sirfurboy as unsourced
11:25, 31 March 2024 Revert 5: Today they re-added the text on the DSM-IV to the lead

Personal attacks, forum rants, and disparaging comments about transgender people

15:52, 30 March 2024 The fact that you use words such as 'anti-trans activist' [in relation to Graham Linehan] and calling Genspect a conversion therapy lobby group exposes that you are highly TRA (activistic defending the WPATH-ideology). That is fine, I have a different opinion obviously.
02:47, 31 March 2024 Argues Linehan and Gluck's critics are just trans activist motivated people as they are not anti-trans but critical on the cultlike movement and on the iatrogenic aspects of the provided form of healthcare. (For reference, "Iatrogenic" in this case means a theory by Genspect members that giving kids hormones make cis kids trans) Also They consider trans kids unfortunate misled victims. Not Anti. They are anti dodgy people abusing the gender privileges (weird dudes on toilets that film themselves, infringement issues on women’s rights, prison issues, healthcare malpractice, etc). That was said in reply to me linking to our policies and explaining why they aren't reliable sources.
06:28, 26 March 2024 Tells an IP editor I see you are the same IP that erased relevant info on the Skoptic Syndrome page, trying to hide it's connection to Eunuch and WPATH and fetisch/gender identity disorder and states Please be aware of contributors that are trying to protect/hide the dark side of Eunuchism.

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

March 10 2024 This user was blocked on the Netherlands wiki from the pages Gender-affirming care, Misgendering, Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria, Transgender care in the Netherlands, Woman, TERF, Gender-critical feminism, Detransition, Anti-gender movement, and Hormome replacement therapy for 275 days. The reason was persistent problematic use of sources and a large amount of non-neutral content. Some google-translated quotes: A Wider Lens publishes texts (or entire articles) that are biased (see above) without any citation, texts that are sourced but where the source does not cover the content of the text, or texts that are based on sources without any authority., User has repeatedly indicated that he is not neutral about gender (not problematic in itself): many articles are created to serve as a stepping stone for 'gender criticism' (one issue); see for example Nullification , (the history of) Tavistock scandal . The personal non-neutrality becomes completely unacceptable when A Wider Lens incorporates these non-neutral *opinions* into articles as being facts, Despite quite a lot of requests, A Wider Lens continues to be both forum posts with lengthy explanations about his opinions, viewpoints, and ideas.. There had been a previous block request that was rejected referenced in the decision.

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Alerted about discretionary sanctions or contentious topics in the area of conflict, on 16:48, 27 March 2024‎ (see the system log linked to above).

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

On the talk page me and Sirfurboy have attempted to explain to A Wider Lens that what they are doing is WP:OR. They have not sought consensus, but have ignored us. They state repeatedly that they are adding the DSM IV quote due to Graham Linehan making the connection between it and Skoptic syndrome on the talk page and have ignored us noting that's not a reliable source. The text they add to the article has so far only been 1) uncited, 2) cited to an unreliable source, or 3) cited to a source that doesn't support it. Upon reviewing their contributions, I realized that they had been given the Netherlands equivalent of a GENSEX ban for exactly the same behavior. Having checked out their articles on the Netherlands Wikipedia (as they frequently link to them on English Wikipedia as things to consider when updating ours), I cannot understate how terrifying it is how many of them rely on Genspect and other FRINGE advocacy groups as a source and editors are still working to undo the damage they've done.

I believe this user is WP:NOTHERE to build an encyclopedia and should be banned from GENSEX. They have continued the same POV-pushing, WP:OR, and WP:RGW that they were recently banned for, and I concur with those who weighed in at the Netherlands wiki that it is a waste of editor time to review all their edits due to their consistent misuse of sources and blatant desire to promote WP:FRINGE viewpoints in trans and/or trans healthcare related articles.

On an additional note, their username may be a violation of our username policy, as it is the name of a Genspect podcast and on their talk page A Wider Lens stated this was because they were a fan. Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist ⚧ Ⓐ (talk) 17:04, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@A Wider Lens for the record, I'm a woman. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you saw my Mastodon profile on my userpage without seeing the pronouns, venus symbol, userbox saying I'm a trans woman, the one saying I'm a lesbian, etc you had to scroll past to get there, and kindly ask you to update your comment. Otherwise, your comments he fanatically denies or tries to downplay the existence of autocastration/Skoptic syndrome/voluntary eunuchism with all problematic criminal bordering aspects involved, we are dealing with a fanatic TRA speak for themselves. Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist ⚧ Ⓐ (talk) 18:30, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ https://www.academia.edu/11886511/DSM_IV_TR_Diagnostic_and_statistical_manual_of_mental_disorders

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

Notified 13:04, 31 March 2024‎

Discussion concerning A Wider Lens

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Statement by A Wider Lens

(request for more than 500 words)

I have indeed problems with what I estimate as TRAs (trans ideological motivated contributors) that act as guards on many Wikipedia topics. As is the case in my opinion on the Skoptic syndrome page. (Redacted)

Here some links to better understand the seriousness of this topic:

In the Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/mar/09/disturbing-leaks-from-us-gender-group-wpath-ring-alarm-bells-in-nhs

(Redacted)

Needless to say (Redacted) is not a site you cannot cite in the main text of Wikipedia, but it is currently the only website that has brought this explosive information and all that is mentioned there is perfectly sourced. Read it yourself and fine if you come to a different conclusion.

If you prefer me to step back, fine by me. English is not my native language, so me too would prefer it other contributors merge relevant info on Wikipedia about this highly sensitive topic. But unfortunatelly not many contributors dare to dive into this topic. I have understanding for Your Friendly Neighborhood Society's contributions, but also have the feeling that he is a misled person on this topic, Sorry for saying that so bluntly. I have noticed gender critical arguments and sources are pushed away very easily on Wikipedia. (Genspect being a fringe org for instance and other down pushing of relevant experts. Genspect/Shellenberger published the WPATH Files and many of the Genspect board members were the main body that took down the Tavistock clinic). On the Dutch my critical contributions led to a temporary block indeed (on which I agreed to give them some air and time to really understand what a scandal is rolling out currently.) Hopefully this explanation clarifies something. Blocking me is not taking away the issues surrounding this medical scandal. It will only make the infection worse, if you don't cure it now by exposing the truth. A Wider Lens (talk) 18:00, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please also look at the reverts YFNS did after I tried to improve the article with plenty of sources. It looks to me as if he fanatically denies or tries to downplay the existence of autocastration/Skoptic syndrome/voluntary eunuchism with all problematic criminal bordering aspects involved. A Wider Lens (talk) 18:05, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Redacted)

No need to block, you can simply tell me not to contribute to Skoptic syndrome and I leave it up to other contributors. I am just very concerned about the entire WPATH Files and the Eunuch Archive, but in case you are not, you are not and I rest my case. I expect others will come up in the future with identical concerns. A Wider Lens (talk) 18:52, 31 March 2024 (UTC) (Clerk note, original diff — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 00:53, 1 April 2024 (UTC))[reply]

No need to start a fight on such things. I regard people biological male or female and had no intention to mis'gender' you on purpose. But since you express you are a trans person, male born, I uphold the freedom to not adapt it on the previous edits, but I will adapt my language on the future ones to not make an unnecesarry issue even though I consider pronouns claims a type of gas lighting and offensive towards people that don't believe in gender ideology. See the Maya Forstater case, or Jordan Peterson's schoolyard moment. A Wider Lens (talk) 18:58, 31 March 2024 (UTC) (Clerk note, original diff — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 00:53, 1 April 2024 (UTC))[reply]

Statement by Sirfurboy

AWS' responses here will speak for themselves. My only comment is to say that, based on talk page discussion at the article to date, I do not believe they have the competence required to edit an article such as this. They don't seem to understand sourcing requirements, nor even how to cite a source. I am not convinced they understand why secondary sources are required, and I don't think they are reading the sources. I note below that they may have talked themself into an indefinite block. However, if they can avert that, I would suggest that they may want to seek mentoring and a much less controversial topic to cut their teeth on, and where they can learn to edit. A TBAN would make sense until they are able to demonstrate editing competence. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 20:15, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by (username)

Result concerning A Wider Lens

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Reading A Wider Lens's own submission here, a GENSEX ban is obviously the minimum indicated, but I don't see any issue with an NOTHERE indef either because they're clearly not here to improve any sort of encyclopedia, merely to push their own extreme philosophies. Black Kite (talk) 18:30, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And I've redacted and revision-deleted a whole lot of it, both because of BLP issues either implicitly stated or stated in the links. I will give it a short time, but if no-one else objects I will continue and block AWL indefinitely. Black Kite (talk) 18:38, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Given the latest comment ([18]), that's a pretty clear NOTHERE, not to mention the earlier outing and the like. Blocked indefinitely, as a normal admin sanction. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 01:59, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Unless any uninvolved admins have any further input on the indefinite block within a day or so, I'll close this request as resolved. The blocked editor can of course appeal the block via the normal processes. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 20:44, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Clerking note

I've moved Special:Diff/1216559418 and Special:Diff/1216560043 to the section corresponding to respondent. I've added links to the original diffs, so that context for what comments they were responding to can be viewed with a click. For those of us who are newer here, we don't do threaded discussion at AE. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 00:53, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Abhishek0831996

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Request concerning Abhishek0831996

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: Kautilya3 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 17:47, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: Abhishek0831996 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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Sanction or remedy to be enforced: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/India-Pakistan

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

27 March 2024 15:36 at Article 370 (film), strange edit summary "Don't need HISTRS for stating a fact...", placed on a wrong revert. The actual revert came later (17 March 2024 16:07), which removed a tag of "unreliable source?" on a historical claim, without any improvement in the sourcing.
27 March 2024 16:03, at its talk page. Rude & bombastic comment: "That is precisely a nonsensical view of yours. This movie is an outright propaganda piece only created for political benefit of the BJP. Why that is so hard for you to understand?"
27 March 2024, 15:41 at Jammu and Kashmir (princely state), meaningless edit summary, given the weighty deletion of "Aksai Chin". Tag-teaming with Capitals00?
31 March 2024, 14:27 at its talk page. Trying to bully a newbie editor citing WP:BATTLEGROUND. If you read through the discussion, you see Abhishek majorly gaslighting and stone-walling, claiming that "Kashmir" is not the "princely state", which is ridiculously false.
1 April 2024 12:46 at Aksai Chin. More biting of the newbie editor: "Revert half baked edits of Haani". This is Abhishek's very first edit on this page.
1 April 2024 13:03 at its talk page. "One is a 2022 article and another one is a geography dictionary. None of them are reliable enough." Not any reasonable grounds for claiming unreliability. The so-called "geography dictionary" is published by Columbia University Press.
26 March 2024, 09:45 at Swatantrya Veer Savarkar (film). Similar bombastic edit summary "No rule that only Historians can call out outright distortion of history". Reinstating content previously added by Capitals00
21 January 2024 10:53 at Babri Masjid. An older example of a bombastic deletion of content without evidence. Here Capitals00 reinstated the edits after having been reverted once by Vanamonde93
16 March 2024 16:49 at Indian independence movement. similar deletion of a well-known fact. Subhas Chandra Bose's name is mentioned in the body, including even a photograph.

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

24 April 2017. A 72-hour block for disruptive editing.

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Alerted about discretionary sanctions or contentious topics in the area of conflict, on 31 August 2021, 9 June 2022 and 27 March 2024 (see the system log linked to above).
Participated in process about the area of conflict (such as a request or appeal at AE, AN or an Arbitration Committee process page), on 24 July 2023.

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

I have seen Abhishek0831996 occasionally, but the first interaction was on 27 March 2024, where in Diff 1 (in two parts), they deleted an {{unreliable source?}} tag on a historical claim made by a film reviewer, and then followed it with an even more rude and bombastic talk page comment (Diff 2). Given that this was the first interaction the user was having with me, I was quite taken aback. Since then I have seen this pattern being repeated at a number of other pages, particularly targeting the newish user, Haani40. Particularly egregious is today's revert (Diff 5), which is quite pointed. The corresponding explanation on the talk page (Diff 6) is meaningless.

Digging back into the edit history, I see a pattern of edits deleting apparently inconvenient content from pages with vague justifications, especially from the lead. This is followed by an effort to gaslight other editors when challenged on the talk page. The user displays an air of self-assured confidence, matched by contempt and ridicule for the other editors. The knowledge of relevant polices is practically non-existent.

Given that the user has been here long enough, it is time that they are held to account. -- — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kautilya3 (talk • contribs)

Interesting that Capitals00 finds fault with me placing a POV template on a faulty section. Surely they know that WP:NPOV is a fundamental pillar of Wikipedia? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 21:43, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Abhishek0831996's responses to the issues raised here continue to make red herring arguments of the same kind that are causing intermiable talk-page discussions, making any form of consensus-seeking impossible.

For example, for Diff 1, their response mentions a review in The Hindu and a news article in the The Guardian. But neither of these sources has made the specific historical claim that the contested source has. If they did, the user could have easily replaced the contested source with those, which they did not. And, the Diff 2, taken as a whole, is clearly a personal attack, but what is worse is that it is being used as a means of justifying the improper deletion of an {{unreliable source?}} tag. This is clearly an effort to bully editors. The only reasonable responses to the tag are either to replace the source with an acceptable one or to argue that the source is indeed reliable. Neither of these has been done.

As another example, for Diff 6, they claim that they have provided "scholarly sources", without bothering to mention that they are sources on Chinese foreign policy. The second source is in fact a biography of the Chinese premier. They have made no effort to assess whether the passages they quote are describing the scholars' independent assessments or whether they are just explainers of the Chinese policy. This seems like just a drive-by effort to google a particular POV, and cite whatever comes up without any understanding of the sources themselves.

On Diff 8, which is only a few months old, I maintain that is an improper deletion because no evidence of any "dispute" has been provided, either in the edit summary or on the talk page, for deleting long-standing content in the lead. But this is only one instance of a persistent pattern.-- Kautilya3 (talk) 00:50, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

1 April 2024 17:49

Discussion concerning Abhishek0831996

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Statement by Abhishek0831996

1st edit: I described that "Don't need HISTRS for stating a fact. The Hindu has also dismissed this episode of the movie, not just Deccan Herald." Kautilya3 has cropped my edit summary and cherrypicked just to suit his report. This movie has been criticised as a propaganda movie[19] and its episode on Sheikh Abdullah and Jawaharlal Nehru has been dismissed by The Hindu [20] and The Deccan Herald [21] but Kautilya3 is opposing this all based on his personal views, not backed by any sources, contrary to WP:OR.
2nd edit: Only for using the word "nonsensical" (which is not offensive), Kautilya3 went to falsely allege me of breaching WP:NPA.[22] This is a breach of WP:ASPERSIONS on Kautilya3's part.
3rd edit: There is nothing "meaningless" about this edit summary. Also, what tag-teaming? I am editing this article since 2 March 2024.
4th edit: The message I was responding to, "We will revert you and even seek mediation if you continue your edit war" reeks of WP:BATTLEGROUND mentality since it promises to edit war and falsely accuses of an "edit war" that wasn't even happening for days.[23] Now Kautilya3's false claim on this report that I am "claiming that "Kashmir" is not the "princely state"," is outright misleading. I am instead saying: "None of this confirms if this princely state controlled Aksai Chin".[24]
5th edit: I was restoring the last stable version against the unconstructive edits that had been also reverted by another editor some hours ago.[25] It is wrong to preserve misleading edits on these highly controversial articles.
6th edit: An article and a geographical dictionary cannot be used for challenging the article that is built on scholarly sources. On talk page I had myself provided scholarly sources (including the one from Harvard University Press) to rebuke these edits but these sources have been wrongly demeaned as "Chinese views" by Kautilya3.[26]
7th edit: This is yet another movie just like Article 370 that has been criticised as a propaganda movie created to promote the cause of the Bharatiya Janta Party [27][28] and it has been also criticised for distorting history.[29] After knowing this you won't see anything wrong with that edit.
8th edit: Nothing wrong with this edit. Yes it is disputed that who placed the idols of Ram and Sita in 1949. Some Indian officials claim they placed the idols,[30] and the activists belonging to Nirmohi Akhara,[31] Hindu Mahasabha [32][33] have either claimed or they have been alleged to have placed the idols. This is why many sources simply avoid giving credit to any particular entity.[34]
9th edit: Kautiya3 is falsifying this edit as well. The Wiki text concerns those who are "the leading followers of Gandhi's ideology". Subhas Chandra Bose has been instead criticised for departing from Gandhi's ideology and making alliance with the Nazis and fascists as noted at Subhas Chandra Bose#Anti-semitism; "How did a man who started his political career at the feet of Gandhi end up with Hitler, Mussolini, and Tojo? Even in the case of Mussolini and Tojo, the gravity of the dilemma pales in comparison to that posed by his association with Hitler and the Nazi leadership."

It is safe to conclude that the entire report is baseless and it rather speaks against Kautilya3 himself. Abhishek0831996 (talk) 15:23, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by (Haani40)

I am new here but since a notice was posted on my Talk page, I feel compelled to comment here. Capitals00 and Abhishek0831996 who Kautilya3 is complaining about here have both been indulging in extremely biased editing, many times in tandem. I agree with all that Kautilya3 has stated above. I suggest that both of them should be sanctioned. Please see the multiple warnings on the Talk page of User_talk:Capitals00

Removal of sourced content that was using a Reliable source diff

Restoring the word, "propaganda" without a reliable source diff

Restoring edit of Capitals00 with bombastic edit summary, "No rule that only Historians can call out outright distortion of history" diff

False claim that India never controlled Aksai Chin diff

Removing Aksai Chin from the "Today part of" section of the infobox at the Jammu_and_Kashmir_(princely_state) article diff which Curious man123 reverted.

After reading the allegations of Capitals00 below, I state that I am new here but learning the rules. I have placed the {{this is a new user}} template on the top of my Talk page. I have read the wikipedia polices and guidelines mentioned at WP:PG. I observe that every few days, a new rule is being mentioned. I will however abide by all the rules. Kautilya3 has stated that those edits are his here but Capitals00 is alleging that it is mine, so he must be directed to read WP:DONTBITE

I have also read the five pillars of Wikipedia after Kautilya3 mentioned it on my Talk page.

In his reply above, Abhishek0831996 has repeated his false claim, "I am instead saying: None of this confirms if this princely state controlled Aksai Chin".[35]

Capitals00 has again reverted Kautilya3 here - it certainly looks like he and Abhishek0831996 are working in tandem to get their viewpoint added which is a false claim that India never controlled Aksai Chin.Haani40 (talk) 06:28, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Capitals00

Anyone can understand the above editor Haani40's conduct by looking at these edits that already beyond WP:BATTLE,[36][37] and even WP:CIR.[38][39]

While there is no doubt that Kautilya3 is unnecessarily putting up defense for the edits of Haani40, his own conduct has been poor. His unnecessary tagging and edit warring against the mainstream facts supported by the reliable sources[40][41][42] has been disruptive and his pure reliance on his own original thoughts by rejecting the reliable sources is also commonly observed on the said disputes.[43] This report filed by him is similarly frivolous since it aims to create the worst meaning of each and every diff he has cited. He hasn't mentioned that other editors have also made the similar reverts[44][45] against their will on the cited pages.

I expect a warning for the filer Kautilya3 to stop misusing this noticeboard for winning the content disputes. He has been already warned before for casting aspersions on other editors and this sanction was never appealed.[46] Capitals00 (talk) 19:58, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by (Bookku)

I suppose I am most likely to be uninvolved in most of the above cited articles (without any interest in any specific side). I used word 'likely' since I have not opened many of cited difs. Also usually films do not top my WP MOS understanding and interest.

Importance of WP:DDE protocol and going back to WP:DR

Here I am not commenting on specific merits of the case (emphasis added).

As usual at this WP:ARE forum, intermittently I come to make good faith reminder; If for some reason discussions go off the track from content dispute usual preference should be, 'go back to the track of solving content disputes as per WP:DR' rather than personalizing them. As far as personal issues before any disputes coming at WP:ARE checking protocol mentioned @ WP:DDE also be considered important.

Bookku (talk) 06:40, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Some different facets Diff1
Brief: MOS:FILMHIST says, "..If analysis is limited, links should be provided to historical or scientific articles so readers can read about topics based in reality after reading about the work of fiction that uses these topics with dramatic license. .."

Detail appreciation Diff1 issue

- While my primary perception about above case has been that like many other content dispute spilling over in personal realm and that continues; I gave a re-look into discussion between Kautilya3 and Abhishek0831996 specially about Dif 1 deletion of {{unreliable source?}} tag.
- Can any history film, other than academically transcripted and peer reviewed documentary; be called academically accurate? Who is going to decide those are just fiction or fictionalized or academically accurate history? Whether even any reliable news media can sit on judgement of it's veracity like academics?
- What Wikipedia lacks at policy level is well identified allowance of weak sources. So be it. If at all a RS media is being used where academic should have been then why not at least provide attribution to the media.
- Above discussions are mentioning WP:HISTRS essay but inadvertently seem to miss on MOS:FILMHIST which provides some good via media for above explained difficulties. MOS:FILMHIST says:
- ".. If ample coverage from secondary sources exists about a film's historical or scientific accuracy, editors can pursue a sub-topic sharing such coverage in a section titled "Historical accuracy" or "Scientific accuracy" ("accuracy" being applied as neutral terminology). .. If analysis is limited, links should be provided to historical or scientific articles so readers can read about topics based in reality after reading about the work of fiction that uses these topics with dramatic license. .."

- Did I not end up explaining content dispute aspect above, that's why my emphasis on WP:DDE protocol mentioned earlier.
- We all users being human it's very understandable we prefer to stick to more suitable positions and RS. To draw a parallel whether any one would appreciate that court judges getting influenced by media even if RS? Similarly in a role of encyclopedist do we not need to understand many of our perceptions and positions are being constructed by media and mediums around us and there may be need to revisit our own positions and do effort to understand from where other user's point is coming and can there be space for that?
- @Abhishek0831996 Yes it's true other users too may need introspection but when thing come to WP:ARE the tradition is it's about you and not others. My purpose is not to judge you on merit, other users are there for that. I suggest you revisiting statements like ".. Don't need HISTRS for stating a fact..." and read WP:TRUTH then confirm yourself by reading "..So, if you want to:..Explain what you are sure is the truth of a current or historical political, religious, or moral issue,.." from WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS, and inadvertently we do not go closer to WP:POVPUSH. In my own case when other users expressed concerns about my own editing it took me time to understand from where other users perceptions are coming and how I can revisit my editing in this collaborative environment and do better.

I hope this resolves appropriately and helpfully. Happy Wikipedia editing to all.

Bookku (talk) 06:14, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Rp2006

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User who is submitting this request for enforcement: ScottishFinnishRadish (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 12:22, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: Rp2006 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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Sanction or remedy to be enforced: Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Skepticism and coordinated editing#Rp2006 topic ban (2), indefinitely topic banned from edits related to living people associated with or of interest to scientific skepticism, broadly construed.

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

15 April 2022, an edit about at Havana syndrome about Robert Bartholomew, he writes for several newspapers and journals on sociological and fringe science topics, including Psychology Today, Skeptical Inquirer, and British magazines The Skeptic and Fortean Times.
15 April 2022, explicitly warned about edits about Bartholomew at Havana syndrome on their talk page, clarification of topic ban provided.
Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive306#Rp2006, 12 June 2022, Rp2006 is advised to use more caution in regards to following the topic ban when editing in areas where it may apply; no other action taken following a technical violation.
21 January 2023, an edit about a living person of interest to the skeptic community.
27-28 January 2023, warned about violations on their talk page.
1 March 2023, topic ban violation at David Paulides.
4 March 2023, warning about that violation.
Special:Undelete/User:Rp2006/sandbox/Biddle, 20 December 2023, 17 July 2023, 30 September 2022, admin-only, page since deleted, edits about Kenneth "Kenny" Biddle, an author, skeptical investigator of paranormal claims.
6 February 2024, adding Wikiproject Skepticism to a BLP.
6-7 February 2024, talk page warnings about violations
2 April 2024, an edit about Robert Bartholomew at Havana syndrome.

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Additional comments by editor filing complaint

After at least 5 warnings, both on their talk page and at AE, topic ban violations continue. I've been wearing kid's gloves with my handling of this, but after years of violations and warnings I think we've reached the point where something more concrete should be done. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:22, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Burrobert

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Request concerning Burrobert

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: BilledMammal (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 13:35, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: Burrobert (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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Sanction or remedy to be enforced: Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/American politics 2

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

06:30, 7 April 2024, re-implementing 20:04, 6 April 2024 on Julian Assange

There are two specific changes here that are disputed and per the "consensus required" restriction applied to this article, require consensus:

A recent RfC found a consensus that we should include the claim that Assange said informants "deserve to die", attributed in line to David Leigh, Declan Walsh, and Luke Harding. This change removes this attribution, instead saying that Walsh and Harding said that Leigh said that Assange said the quote.
It re-adds a statement from Goetz denying that Assange made the statement.

There is a discussion on the talk page about this, and Burrobert says that this establishes consensus for his changes, but I disagree:

For the attribution, only Burrobert and NadVolum supported the change. This is insufficient to establish a consensus even in the absence of the existing consensus.
For the Goetz statement, Burrobert, NadVolum, and - only after the initial request to self-revert was made and refused - Cambial Yellowing support it. While closer to consensus than the attribution, I don't see a consensus here.

For both, I am the only editor opposing in the current discussion. I have requested they self-revert and they have refused.

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Additional comments by editor filing complaint

Regarding BM had previously disputed its inclusion but did not participate in the discussion until after the consensus about Goetz' statment was implemented on 7 April, I did not have time for Wikipedia between the 1st and the 7th. BilledMammal (talk) 14:19, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure whose time sheet you are looking at, but I made no edits on the 2nd. However, I don't think it matters - the point is that you can't claim a consensus solely based on two editors agreeing, even if there is a week between opposition to those editors position. BilledMammal (talk) 15:03, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The edits you link were made on the first; are you using the "Time Offset" feature to give your local time rather than UTC? BilledMammal (talk) 15:43, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@NadVolum: Can you clarify what you are insinuating with your last two sentences? BilledMammal (talk) 08:51, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You claim that, a month after my discussion with FortunateSons, I came to an article that you hadn't edited in three months for the purpose of "trying to find ways to cause trouble for [you]"?

It's an absurd claim - an WP:ASPERSION based on assumptions of bad faith - and I ask that you strike it. The real reason I came to the article was because I read an article in the New York Times. BilledMammal (talk) 10:25, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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13:34, 7 April 2024

Discussion concerning Burrobert

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Statement by Burrobert

Here is my interpretation of the sequence of events:

An RfC determined that Julian Assange's bio should include an alleged quote. The closing editor stated that "there is consensus to include the quote alongside appropriate context, inline attribution (not in wikivoice), and Assange's denial". The closing editor did not say what attribution to use when presenting the quote to readers, although BM did include a suggested attribution in the statement of the RfC. My interpretation of the closing statement is that details of the attribution should be discussed as part of the "appropriate context".
BilledMammal started a talk page section entitled Removal of Nick Davies on 27 March. As part of that discussion editors talked about how they should attribute the quote. A consensus formed that it should be presented along the lines: "In their book WikiLeaks: Inside Julian Assange's War on Secrecy they say Declan Walsh heard Assange say at a dinner when asked about redaction "Well, they’re informants ... ". After their initial comment, BM did not participate in the discussion until after consensus was implemented. NadVolum implemented the consensus on 7 April. BM reverted NadVolum's edit within a few hours and I reverted BM's reversion because I believed BM was editing against consensus.
Goetz' statement was not part of the RfC but was discussed within the talk page section "Removal_of_Nick_Davies". The only editors who mentioned the statement (me and NadVolum) believed it should be included. BM had previously disputed its inclusion but did not participate in the discussion until after the consensus about Goetz' statment was implemented on 7 April.
BM started a discussion on my talk page after I reverted their edit. Some of the above points are covered there. Burrobert (talk) 14:09, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It does not matter why BM did not participate in the discussion which led to a consensus. BM's editing history does show some extensive editing on 2 April, by which time editors had already started discussing the inclusion of Goetz' statement and the error in attributing the alleged quote to Leigh, Harding and Walsh. Burrobert (talk) 14:54, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The edits made by BM on 2 April start at [47] and end at [48]. There are around 25 edits on that date. There was an 11 day gap between when the discussion was opened on 27 March and when a consensus was implemented on 7 April. The discussion involved three editors, me NadVolum and Jack_Upland. Jack did say at one stage "We could say they reported it". On 4 April, I said "Yes, we should say that the claim about what Walsh said is from Leigh and Harding, possibly mentioning their book". I suggested that we use something like "Leigh and Harding wrote that Walsh told them Assange said ""Well, they’re informants ..." and said "Unless someone comes up with an objection, I will make an attempt at improving the way in which this anecdote is related to the reader". Jack responded "You don't need permission to edit the page, comrade". Jack is more than capable of speaking for himself, but my interpretation of Jack's comment is that he did not object to my suggested change. As it turned out, NadVolum implemented the suggestion before me. Burrobert (talk) 15:36, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by NadVolum

It's strange this was brought againt Burrobert since I made the more recent changes. I only found this because I was mentioned above. As far as I can see the changes I made all follow the RfC. Exactly how long are editors on Wikipedia supposed to hang around waiting for BilledMammal to show up again in a discussion or to complain about their edits being changed - and more concerningly for me I notice BilledMammal turned up at the article on Assange after User talk:BilledMammal#Hey, I am looking for a second opinion on a user we both have encountered, could you (as a more experienced person editor who already interacted with them) take a quick look whether their actions have reached the point of warranting more substantive actions being taken? which is about me. The two in that discussion are major contributors to a proxy Israel-Hamas war at WP:RSN. NadVolum (talk) 08:47, 8 April 2024 (UTC) [reply]

In reply to BilledMammal my feeling is that after you fixed up an AE request on me in preparation and "Instead, I would recommend sitting back and seeing how they behave, and if there are further issues then bringing the whole lot to AE" you followed me to the Julian Assange article with the intent of trying to find ways to cause trouble for me on Wikipedia. NadVolum (talk) 09:20, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I see they posted the change on the article page before my contribution and my last contribution was eight days previously to the talk page so I accept they got there from reading about in NYT. My apologies. There's lots of people who feel deeply about the business so they'd put in something damningg about Assange but remove a witness saying otherwise. NadVolum (talk) 10:55, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To FortunateSons I made no aspersions against you except in so far as I said you are a major contributor to a lot of the current discussion at FTN on material favorable to or against one side or the other in the Israel-Hamas war, that is what I see as the background of your request to BilledMammal. NadVolum (talk) 11:13, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by TarnishedPath

I was involved in that RfC and I can't for the life of me see any wrongdoing by Burrobert. BM has not presented any diffs that show any editing that is not in line with the RfC close. Unless there's additional diffs to be presented which show anything else I don't see that there's anything to be answered here. TarnishedPath^talk 09:04, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by FortunateSons

I was uninvolved in the original dispute, but got added here because I (in my opinion, appropriately) requested the assistance of a more experienced user in addition to an admin when encountering a conduct-dispute. As I did not edit the disputed articles here and chose not to file the request, I see no relationship between me and the action at hand and would kindly request clarification from NadVolum what exactly my request regarding him has to do with this, as well as to strike any aspersions against me. In particular, now as I gained more experience, I still believe that the comments made by BilledMammal are both appropriate and deescalatory. FortunateSons (talk) 10:51, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for striking your claim, including of me being a major contributor[s] to a proxy Israel-Hamas war at WP:RSN. FortunateSons (talk) 11:44, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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 *:Still considering what to do here, primarily between a TBAN and indef. If anyone else has any input, would be much appreciated. [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]]</sup></small> 06:13, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
 *Given the wide range of topics that Jaymailsays edits, I support an indef. [[User:RegentsPark|RegentsPark]] <small>([[User talk:RegentsPark|comment]])</small> 17:10, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
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