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This is a message board for coordinating and discussing bot-related issues on Wikipedia (also including other programs interacting with the MediaWiki software). Although its target audience is bot owners, any user is welcome to leave a message or join the discussion here. This is not the place for requests for bot approvals or requesting that tasks be done by a bot. It is also not the place for general questions about the MediaWiki software (such as the use of templates, etc.), which have generally a best chance of being answered at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical).

ClueBot III misbehaving, assistance needed[edit]

Can anybody please assist Cobi (talk · contribs) in fixing ClueBot III (talk · contribs)? It is taking too much when it archives threads, see User talk:ClueBot Commons/Archives/2017/April#Improper archival of heading, part 3. Basically, when archiving a level 4 subsection, the bot assumes that the subsection terminates with the next level 4 heading - and if there is an intervening level 3 heading, it is archiving that too, which is an error. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:36, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

As it is, ClueBot III is behaving the way it was designed as it is configured. At some point when I have more time, I'll add the features which you desire. ClueBot III was not designed to handle multiple categories of discussion on the same page. Either the page needs to be reformatted (perhaps into transcluded sub-pages? Those work well with CB3), or you need to figure out a different archive strategy. -- Cobi(t|c|b) 23:37, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

Breaking change to API[edit]

What
The "Save" (aka "Publish") button is going to change at all the wikis.
When
Sometime soon-ish, probably later this month (i.e., during May 2017). The Persian Wikipedia has volunteered to be the first Wikipedia and will probably see this change later this week.
Where can you get more information?
See phab:T162849 and mw:OOjs UI.
Why does this matter to bot owners?
Apparently, this changes something about the API. It's the whole way the button is implemented, not just its appearance, that's changing.
How can I test this?
You can use the new system by adding ooui=1 to the end of the URL: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Marie_Curie&action=edit&ooui=1 I'm told that Twinkle will probably be okay (no problems in limited testing), but a few other scripts and bots may need to be updated.

If you think your bot or script will be broken by this, and you can't figure out how to update it, then please post requests for help either here or at WP:VPT. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 17:18, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Whatamidoing (WMF), how is that going to affect AWB? Primefac (talk) 17:54, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
From Fab it looks like a change only on front-end. As in, the actual API won't be affected. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 17:58, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
Yes, there shouldn't be any effect on bots due to this unless they're doing weird screen-scraping instead of using the API. User scripts and gadgets that affect the edit form will probably be affected, for example my ajaxpreview script needed a little work. Anomie 19:51, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
I have a short but unfortunately all-too-accurate answer to all questions that are more technical than "approximately what color is that BIG Blue Button"?: I don't know.
My recommendation is that you trust Anomie, and test your scripts. The plan is for this to go out to fawiki first (hasn't happened yet), and to make the rest of the plan after we learn whether it caused unexpected problems there. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 15:38, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
This isn't really the API we are talking about then. When I read this I thought, "not again". This looks like front-end stuff, not stuff the bots use. So this will more or less break a few JS scripts that rely on the edit window.—CYBERPOWER (Around) 22:04, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

We had a few more scripts break at fawiki than we had hoped for, so we're slowing this down a bit. I've collected some information, including diffs of some repairs, at mw:OOjs UI/Fixing scripts and gadgets. If you maintain any scripts, or if you depend upon any and aren't certain whether the owner is actively maintaining them, please check that page and start testing (instructions on the page).

Please also share this information with people at other wikis. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 19:23, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

Approval for WPCleaner use...[edit]

In followup to something mentioned here. Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Unauthorized bot job, unresponsive operator would BRFA be the place to request a bot flag for a user account so that it CAN be run in an approved manner?

An additional concern expressed was that the BOT components of it were not compliant with the relevant policy on Cosmetic edits. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 21:19, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Bots are more about what edits they will make then what tool they use - so yes BRFA is where to request a bot flag to run a dedicated account for bulk editing of repeatable edits. Note: the edits must be in compliance with applicable policies (i.e. you will most likely not get a bot approved to do nothing but make cosmetic edits). — xaosflux Talk 21:59, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
That was based on the ANI disscussion what I understood as well, and means effectively that WPcleaner should not be used until it's fixed. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 22:03, 23 May 2017 (UTC)