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the other possibility is that a lot of vietnamese have historically considered themselves to be buddhist, but they dont practice all of the strict rites and stuff that's required - and only visit the temple/pagoda like once or twice a year <--and so maybe the govmt only considers strict purveyors of buddhism to be "buddhist". the reason i doubt the govmt figures so much is simply growing up i always thought it was obvious vietnam was a historically buddhist country????? how could the catholic and buddhist figures be that close to each other? [[User:Justakemeout|Justakemeout]] 18:41, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
the other possibility is that a lot of vietnamese have historically considered themselves to be buddhist, but they dont practice all of the strict rites and stuff that's required - and only visit the temple/pagoda like once or twice a year <--and so maybe the govmt only considers strict purveyors of buddhism to be "buddhist". the reason i doubt the govmt figures so much is simply growing up i always thought it was obvious vietnam was a historically buddhist country????? how could the catholic and buddhist figures be that close to each other? [[User:Justakemeout|Justakemeout]] 18:41, 6 April 2007 (UTC)


Communist ("socialist") countries favor atheism, since that is mandated by Marxism-Leninism and (as in this case) Maoism. Although such governments usually make a show of religious tolerance, in practice religions are generally discouraged. The numbers are probably "massaged" to favor atheism, or else many religious people have gone underground...[[User:64.61.81.231|64.61.81.231]] 17:34, 5 September 2007 (UTC)


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Wildlife

Sorry to bring up the topic again, but it would be interesting, given that in the 1990s alone, 3 new mammals discovred in VietNam: saola, giant and Truong Son muntjac, . Not only that, there are very spectacular species like the critically endangered Javan rhino, the gaur:


http://www.arkive.org/species/GES/mammals/Bos_frontalis/Bos_frontalis_00.html

http://vietnamnews.vnanet.vn/2004-06/23/Stories/23.htm

and wild water buffalo, which apart from VietNam, can only be found in India

http://youtube.com/watch?v=KG7tgRN2UNc

And most recently, the discovery of giant wild buffalo in VietNam:

http://www.laodong.com.vn/Home/khoahoc/2007/1/20926.laodong

All that makes VietNam the biggest hotspot for wildlife in the world for the last decade. So I think it's a chracteristics worthwhile mentioning.


Religion

sorry but I just gotta bring up the religion topic again (and yes, I've read the last discussion) but it still doesn't seem to have been resolved. from what I understand, there could be 2 reasons for that govmt figure with such a high rate for "athiests". 1 is some ppl claim the govmt considers all who identify as practicers of more than 1 religion (that is that triple religion thing) to be aethiests. the other possibility is that a lot of vietnamese have historically considered themselves to be buddhist, but they dont practice all of the strict rites and stuff that's required - and only visit the temple/pagoda like once or twice a year <--and so maybe the govmt only considers strict purveyors of buddhism to be "buddhist". the reason i doubt the govmt figures so much is simply growing up i always thought it was obvious vietnam was a historically buddhist country????? how could the catholic and buddhist figures be that close to each other? Justakemeout 18:41, 6 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Communist ("socialist") countries favor atheism, since that is mandated by Marxism-Leninism and (as in this case) Maoism. Although such governments usually make a show of religious tolerance, in practice religions are generally discouraged. The numbers are probably "massaged" to favor atheism, or else many religious people have gone underground...64.61.81.231 17:34, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Doi Moi Statements (in History Section)

  • Originally, this section contained these statements...
"It is now one of the fastest growing economies in the world. However, this growth does little for the development of the country[citation needed], and Vietnam still ranks as one of the poorest nations in the world. This is due primarily to the fact that much of the money gained from the growth does not trickle down to the people. Politically, reforms have not occurred. The Communist Party of Vietnam retains control over all organs of government."
  • Before I begin my comments, I would like to mention that I am Vietnamese-American and do have my own biases when it comes to how Vietnam is portrayed. However, I will try to remain as impartial as possible.
  • I hope I am not stepping over anyone's toes, but I believe that these opinions about the current economic situation in Vietnam are not necessary. Not only do they contradict what is written down in the Economy section of Vietnam, they contain clear bias that is not necessary in Wikipedia.
  • Though the Economy section itself is not as adequately sighted as I would prefer (I will try to fix that in the future), it does contain facts that can be easily reserached and reference. Being Vietnamese, I read a lot about my home country and I have come across most of the facts mentioned in the Economy section during my readings.
  • However, I am fairly certain that it will be very difficult to find SCHOLARLY REFERNCES to verify the above quote that was made. Of course, everybody is free to have their own opinions. I am not a fan of the Communist Party in Vietnam. However, Wikipedia is not the place to voice your concerns about how the Communist Party is running Vietnam.
  • Furthermore, despite the Communist Party's repression of many political liberties that we in the U.S. take as given, it is fairly undeniable that they have led Vietnam to large growth figures over the past 20 years (since 1986, when doi moi was enacted).
  • WARNING - THIS CONTAINS MY BIAS ... South Korea itself when through violent political repression to achieve their amazing 40 years of economic growth. Vietnam is following a similar path. It may not be perfect ... in fact, it is nowhere near perfect. However, the economy is growing, the people are getting richer (relatively), and living standards are improving. Vietnam is not the United States, and it has a long way to go before it does. However, to attempt to belittle Vietnam's economic growth by voicing personal distates for the Communist Party is not necessary.

+Therefore, for the sake of NPOV for this article, I will remove these statements and in the next couple of days, attempt to integrate more neutral statemnts (with sources), if the Wikipedia community feels this is necessary. BNgo 05:58, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I hate the word "costume"

... especially when it's being used to describe another nation's garment:

One of the most popular Vietnamese traditional costumes is the "Áo Dài"

It serves only to further estrange a cultural aspect of the country. So I changed it to the appropriate word "garment."

I agree, good call. Sir Vicious 08:07, 20 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Vietnamese history section of the article reflects the Vietnamese government's interpretation of history that does not reflect historical fact. The Vietnamese were historically a small group of Viet-Muong tribes along the Red River that includes the area of Ha Noi, today. Over the 2,000 years from the first conquest by the Han Chinese in 206 B.C.E. to modern times, the country actually expanded as an empire, conquering several small kingdoms and liquidating their populations, and even seeking to expand into China (under Ly Thuong Kiet in the 12th century). The policy of imperial expansion into the south, "nam tien", has been a recurrent historical theme and such expansion led to the conquest of the Cham empire (now considered the area of "Central Vietnam" but at times extending close to the Red River, and the area of "South Vietnam" that was land taken from the Khmer Angkorian empire. Land was also taken from kingdoms to the west (some from Lao) and north, such as from the 11th century Tay Nung empire of Dai Nung. This expansion and the underlying cultural differences need to be understood as part of the context of the Vietnam-American war and of the geopolitical expansion of Vietnam into much of what now remains of Cambodia and Laos, in the 19th century. 81.183.152.79 12:13, 5 June 2007 (UTC) June 5, 2007[reply]


Hi, I recognized only a few events that you list since I'm not at all knowledgeable about the topic. If you feel like it please contribute, but do cite sources so people can check up on. Thanks. Sir Vicious 10:01, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"The extent of the U.S. bombing of Cambodia ..."

This paragraph seems a bit odd and out of place. drh 16:25, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

neutrality against communist monovision

I've recently corrected the article with facts about the colonial era and cold war's early years as there was an obvious non-NPOV.

now there is the vietnam war episode: The communist-held North Vietnam was opposed by the United States is such a phrase neutral? as I saw in the preceding section earlier there was not a single mention about the anti-communist vietnamese people, state and army that actually existed. reads like every single vietnamese were communist but this is untrue. what about operation Passage to Freedom that no one here seems to have heard of? what about the ARVN army (the new VNA)? so were the U.S. the only to oppose North Vietnam or were they some vietnamese people as well? Paris By Night 19:44, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

General Secretary of the Communist Party?

Shouldn't the Government part of the country template list General Secretary Nông Đức Mạnh's name under the names of the President and the Prime Minister? I had thought that in a communist state, the General Secretary of the Party is the real ruler of the country.Inkan1969 23:04, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Geography

Among all the changes that have taken place recently, the area of the Red River Delta has been changed from 15,000 km^2 to 3,000 km^2. On checking an atlas the former looks more plausible, and is the figure given in the Red River Delta article. (Have other errors escaped reversion?) I am also skeptical that the delta advances by 100m per annum. Lavateraguy 00:32, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Population

I think that someone should put up the July 2007 estimate.

Transportation

This sentence was in the transportation section:
"Transportation is the most popular form of transportation in the country"
Looking at the history, it used to say "The road system is..." -I've switched it back to this, it looks like the change may have been accidental. Nick McClellan 21:02, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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