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Errors in the summary of the featured article

Please do not remove this invisible timestamp. See WT:ERRORS and WP:SUBSCRIBE. - Dank (push to talk) 01:24, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Errors with "In the news"

The blurb on the prisoner exchange is problematic. Who are the allies of the US? Why is Belarus omitted when the article repetitively mentions “Russia and Belarus”?--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 18:12, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

In addition, the hook as posted had a western-centric bias. Have a look whether my attempt at rewriting this address all those issues. Schwede66 18:26, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Looks good to me. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 18:31, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Errors in "On this day"

Today's OTD

Makaiko Kheti: "1920 – Nepalese author Krishna Lal Adhikari (pictured) was sentenced to nine years in prison for publishing a book about the cultivation of corn." No he wasn't. True in the same sense that JK Rowling was accused of being a satanist for writing a book about high school. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 01:32, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

You have to provide a more coherent rationale for your argument than simply stating that it's not true. I, for one, can't follow what you are saying, or why, Rollinginhisgrave. Schwede66 02:11, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

He wasn't jailed for publishing a book about the cultivation of corn. He was jailed for publishing a book that was alleged to contain political criticism. That it was about corn wasn't the issue. The issue was that it allegedly wasn't. Reading the entry, a reader would be misled to think books about corn were illegal. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 02:36, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

@Rollinginhisgrave @Schwede66 How about

Nepalese author Krishna Lal Adhikari (pictured) was sentenced to nine years in prison for publishing a book about the cultivation of corn alleged to contain attacks on the ruling dynasty.

Agree the current blurb is misleading. Cremastra (talk) 14:52, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Support the change. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 15:03, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

 Done – Schwede66 17:59, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. Cremastra (talk) 18:18, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Errors in the summary of the featured list

Friday's FL

(August 2, today)

Monday's FL

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Errors in the summary of the featured picture

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General discussion

Experimenting

I've been experimenting with a shadowing template I created and decided to test it in my Main Page sandbox. Please check it out and give me feedback. ~RayLast ^«Talk!» 23:01, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Nevermind. It doesn't work for Firefox. Darn I hate these differences. ~RayLast ^«Talk!» 23:06, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

It works fine in my Firefox, having said that I'm using Firefox 3b5. I took a look, its an interesting effect, might steal it for my userpage if you don't mind. Time to see if the masses like it now :). ☯Ferdia O'Brien ^(T)/_(C) 12:07, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

It doesn't work for Firefox 2. So people won't like it. I'll try and fix it later some time and let you guys know. ~RayLast ^«Talk!» 14:29, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

What was supposed to happen anyway? I saw little gray boxes at the corners. FF 2.0 user. --Howard the Duck 16:16, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

I'll screenshot it in a few minutes, thanks for the intel on my talk page btw Mistman123. ☯Ferdia O'Brien ^(T)/_(C) 16:23, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, it appears my work PC is being as useful as ever, so I'm going to have to extend that "in a few minutes" to in a few hours :( ☯Ferdia O'Brien ^(T)/_(C) 17:31, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

I made a screenshot for those who have Firefox 2. I'll be trying to fix this later. Maybe after taxes. ~RayLast ^«Talk!» 18:08, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Well once they roll out FF3.0 there'll be no real need, FF like to make sure everyone is using the correct version. ☯Ferdia O'Brien ^(T)/_(C) 19:39, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

There is actually a significant number of people who use the older versions- see the lower table here. J Milburn (talk) 19:48, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

I just wanted your opinions on how it looked. I don't think it should be implemented anytime soon anyway. I'm thinking of adding some image buttons and test some other stuff to make it look nice, although I really like the current, simple, nice colored main page. I don't envy any other Wikipedia main pages in other languages. Simple is nice. ~RayLast ^«Talk!» 20:55, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Wow... that's actually really nice. I don't think it's completely appropriate for the main page but it's an interesting bit of code, that you can actually get it to do that. Well done. I might nick it for my userpage too, when FF3.0 rolls out, and sod the people who deliberately click 'no' at the upgrade prompt. Just looking at the source... doesn't it add a hell of a lot of code to the page it's transcluded on though? Just for a few images/headers? Any way you could shrink that down a bit? —Vanderdecken∴ ∫ξφ 09:19, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

It looks great. I'd agree with this being on the Main Page once a stable version of Firefox 3 is released. The people using the older versions won't be hurt in any way, the only difference for them will be the little grey squares. Puchiko (Talk-email) 16:31, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Doesn't look correct in Konqueror 3.5.8 either -62.172.143.205 (talk) 19:08, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Yuck... I don't think it looks too good from the screenshot. Makes everything look too deep and complicated. -Tarthen Blazerken (talk) 08:20, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree, it looks a bit Windows 95-ish, if you get me. weburiedoursecretsinthegarden 19:45, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Well anyone interested in helping me fix it for other browsers, you can get/copy the code from {{User:Mistman123/Templates/Shadow}}. I don't have enough time to go through the code and test changes in all these different browsers, so any help is certainly welcome. When you get something working please let me know or post your code's link somewhere so I can check it out and possibly copy it back . ~RayLast ^«Talk!» 20:35, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Safari 3.1 doesn't display this alternate page at all nicely, inserting a small two-tone grey square on the bottom right of the box but no further. Bobo. 02:43, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Yep. The template's page has the Safari caveat too. You can help fix it though. ~RayLast ^«Talk!» 03:39, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Since Firefox 3.0 doesn't run on Linux using wine, I would say ":("--Jahilia (talk) 15:38, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

I think it shall once Firefox 3.0 will be released. Right now, it's not Firefox 3.0 it's Firefox 3 Beta 5. Puchiko (Talk-email) 17:27, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

In Netscape I find gray boxes at the corners. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.232.148.109 (talk) 15:20, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

The boxes are shifted in Opera (9.27) down and to the right. Regardless, I took a look at FF3b5. While I do find it kind of distracting, if I had to have some form of it instituted, I'd go without the shadows on the images. The images are unbordered right now and should stay that way. Having borders/shadows is distracting.The freddinator (talk) 02:43, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

May i suggest a colour scheme change? the other language wikis look so much brighter, because the colours are more bold! I liked the example in Mistman123's sandbox, so here is my attempt: User:Kennedygr/sandbox - i like to brighter colours, (at least the left.) havent thought of the right side, and the images on the title bars help too? ← κεηηε∂γ ^{(talk) (secret)} 14:26, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

I get the tiny boxes to the lower right.(firefox 1.5.1.12, Adblock+, flashblock, imagezoom, low memory requirements...) The Sreenshot looks very good. Perhaps you can find a site that it works at or poke around at browser watch. 71.193.2.115 (talk) 06:37, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Hey guys! I think I fixed it!! Please check it out and let me know if it works for all your browsers. If you like it we can put it on the Main Page! Regards. ~RayLast ^«Talk!» 01:12, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Works for me in FF2. Personally I reckon the shading is a little too heavy though. I mean sure it looks good now, but shadows can be the sort of look that gets old quickly. Incidentally, I did something sort of similar with round shadows with a header I made for the top of my talk page a while back (only round in Firefox I think). • Anakin ^(talk) 19:24, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Ick, it's ugly. Sorry. I don't think I could stand looking at that everytime I visited Wikipedia; doesn't really suit the Vista age. weburiedoursecretsinthegarden 19:28, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree with WBOSITG...sorry. --^LaPianista! 00:45, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, not bad. I suggest making the shadows a gradient fill rather than 3 superposed rectangles and making them a bit smaller, then you might be on to a winner Modest Genius ^talk 19:21, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

I find it works on my version of firefox. (Anonymous) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.190.21.159 (talk) 23:53, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Fernando Lugo Picture

okay, that picture has been there forever, somebody please change it, it's drivin' me crazy! (Well, not literally of course, but you get the point) [LukeTheSpook] | ^{[t c r]} 04:47, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm sick of it too. Any alternatives? J Milburn (talk) 16:28, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Yup.

Ditto. Please, make him go away. BobAmnertiopsis (talk) 19:00, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

• Maoists win a plurality of seats in the Nepalese Constituent Assembly election, the first election in Nepal in nine years (pictured, Maoist-controlled area, Nepal, 2005).

86.44.28.186 (talk) 17:11, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

That picture has some sourcing issues, and isn't directly related to the story. I don't feel comfortable adding that, but maybe someone else will. I thought I was onto a winner with Image:Cpnm-electionsymbol2064.PNG, but it's fair use, and the free-use alternative, Image:South Asian Communist Banner.png, is not specifically tied to that party. J Milburn (talk) 17:21, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Seeing as they haven't had elections in nine years, I think it's pretty related. Also Lugo is driving everyone batshit. 86.44.28.186 (talk) 17:55, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

How much longer is Fernando Lugo going to be the picture. How long?--208.102.189.190 (talk) 17:40, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

How about Image:Danica Patrick by David Shankbone.jpg? Corvus cornix_talk 20:03, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

I like that. Any opposition? J Milburn (talk) 20:13, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

much better on the eyes.... [LukeTheSpook] | ^{[t c r]} 05:01, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't exactly object, but it's less than ideal, since that is an older story, and one which was illustrated by Image:Danica-r.JPG for several days prior to Lugo. 86.44.28.186 (talk) 08:08, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Jesus, put that picture up, anything but LLLLUUUGGGGOOOO--UhOhFeeling (talk) 16:48, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

The fact that that somewhat crappy picture has been up for like a week is making wikipedi look bush league.--UhOhFeeling (talk) 16:49, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Morgan Tsvangirai

Morgan Tsvangirai

• How'zabout this guy. It's Morgan Tsvangirai, Robert Mugabe's opponent. It pertains to the most recent article. And, it's public domain. BobAmnertiopsis (talk) 19:00, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Even my love of all things lug-related is being tested. Lugnuts (talk) 19:51, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Please post your suggestions for new ITN pics at WP:ITN/C. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 20:18, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

An admin specifically asked for suggestions here at a point when ITN/C had nothing. Thanks. 86.44.28.186 (talk) 21:36, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, the request for suggestions was posted here. That's fine. I'm asking for responses to that request to be posted at ITN/C, which is on the watchlist of admins monitoring ITN. I guess you don't have one, 86.44.28.186. Please get an account, and you'll get a watchlist, too. --PFHLai (talk) 00:37, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Note that such a suggestion has already been made on my talk page (the correct place for such a suggestion) and that further entreaties have the effect (to me, at least) of a rather hostile sort of badgering. 86.44.28.186 (talk) 10:46, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

• Just to make a note of what's probably obvious now - Lugo is gone. Titoxd^{(?!? - cool stuff)} 05:41, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

"In the news" section rarely updated

The news section is usually several days delayed or even bears odd news that are not "in the news" elsewhere. I love Wikipedia, but the news section is far from indicative of Wikipedia's quality. Wikipedia should decide how this section could be made more attractive for editors. 85.178.38.152 (talk) 06:45, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm not exactly sure what you are suggesting. If it is to list good, new article from wikipedia, you may be looking for Did You Know? If you have a news item you believe should be listed, please suggested it at the ITN candidates page. Thanks. Random89 07:34, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a news site. If you are looking for up to the minute, check out a news site like [1] or [2]. ITN, despite the poor choice in name, is not about news. Therefore it is not surprising that things are usually only added after a few days. Finally the intention of ITN, as with all of the main page is to highlight quality articles for our readers. Editors are irrelevant when it comes to ITN Nil Einne (talk) 08:09, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a news site - so why have a "In The News" section on the front page of a website that claims not to be a news site? Lugnuts (talk) 10:09, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Pls see Wikipedia:In the news section on the Main Page. --199.71.174.100 (talk) 05:15, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

In example, instead of putting news like the London election, Zimbabwe's election outcome or the Dalai Lama's envoys to the main page (as other Wikipedia language versions do!) the english Wikipedia has a train collision on its main page that happened one week ago. Of course, this is a noteworthy incident, but this doesn't match my expectations about this section, because "Wikipedia is not a news site". A bit of timeliness and especially a bit of international importance is good even for Wikipedia, since that will attract a group of users Wikipedia won't have otherwise: political interested people searching for important information on current occasions. 85.178.51.32 (talk) 05:51, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Maybe we should cut ITN down (half?) and not keep old news there for too long. This may free up some MainPage space for "Biography of the Day". BOTD can be used for obituaries of famous people the day after their death and we can stop arguing about the ITN death criteria over and over and over and ..... --PFHLai (talk) 14:58, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Let's face it. The "In The News" section on the main page is broken. Whereas all of the other sections, like Featured Articles, get updated every day, ITN gets two or three new news items a week. As mentioned above, the same picture of Fernando Lugo has been on ITN since April 20, almost two weeks. In addition, deaths like Arthur C. Clarke don't make it to the main page, nor items of "local" interest like the London mayoral election. I think a lot of editors would support something more open and dynamic. If you would like to help me in this reform proposal, please see Wikipedia:In The News 2.0. Thanks. Lovelac7 23:03, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

It needs to be updated more frequently. Alternatively, it could be called "In the Olds". --Kaizer13 (talk) 23:14, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

The trouble is finding "qualifying" items per current ITN guidelines. I see a revolution is brewing. Good.  :-) Please be encouraged to publicise at the village pump. --PFHLai (talk) 01:13, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Nancy Pelosi's ITN pic

Whose picture has spent more time on ITN, Nancy Pelosi or Fernando Lugo? :-) --199.71.174.100 (talk) 05:14, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

While I would agree that there are some issues with ITN as it operates now, I would claim that it is better off being tinkered with and "fixed" than having it removed or completely changed. There is a current proposal to change the death inclusion criteria, which would have led to Clarke being included, and a fairly new guideline is helping end the constant debates over which sports events are being included. The solution to fix ITN is for everyone to suggest more items: For example, the Dalai Lama envoy never even reached ITN candidates. Random89 22:25, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Dating! Wouldn't you think that news item lines would begin with the date the event happened? Besides giving salient information, this might also help to point up items that have become overripe and are begging for removal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.160.20.30 (talk) 15:36, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Problems reading in Black Wikipedia skin

Someone needs to change the Main Page section backgrounds to clear. It's extremely tough to read in Black Wikipedia as Black Wikipedia automatically changes all text to light green. --Gp75motorsports ^{REV LIMITER} 18:23, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Are you sure this isn't a flaw in the black wikipedia skin? Nil Einne (talk) 19:33, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Most skins have flaws. I tried one skin and I wasn't notified on new messages. --Howard the Duck 03:56, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure. It does that so text on most pages doesn't blend in with the background. --Gp75motorsports ^{REV LIMITER} 17:24, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

In my experience the default skin is the only one that works properly. People just don't take the other skins into account when making stylistic changes. _(1 == 2)^Until 17:25, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

I know. As I said above, it could easily be fixed by changing it from "white" to "clear". --Gp75motorsports ^{REV LIMITER} 17:57, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Racists. Cigarette (talk) 20:24, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Lol (if that was a joke) :). ☯Ferdia O'Brien ^(T)/_(C) 01:55, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

But seriously. Switch Black WP on and you'll see what I mean. --Gp75motorsports ^{REV LIMITER} 10:41, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Where is this skin anyway? It doesn't seem to be one of the default skins and your myskin doesn't seem to have anything Nil Einne (talk) 09:09, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

2008 London Mayoral Election

The final result is nearly announced on London Elects and I believe placing the winner on the Main Page section's In the news would be okay. xeryus (talk) 22:51, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Heads of government, yes, leaders of cities, no. Corvus cornix_talk 22:53, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Yep, saw it also on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:In_the_news_section_on_the_Main_Page/Candidates. xeryus (talk) 22:58, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree. Despite having followed the story, I don't think it's worthy of ITN. J Milburn (talk) 23:11, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Well it was the biggest story in the UK today (3rd May) and the biggest political event here since the last general election. Non-UK readers may not appreciate that in the UK it is a bit more signifcant than just a municipal election. From the UK point of view ignoring it in ITN is rather like ignoring an Elephant in the room.(Goldmanuk (talk) 00:37, 4 May 2008 (UTC))

Yes but ITN is for internationally important events, city heads only counts as nationally important. ☯Ferdia O'Brien ^(T)/_(C) 07:59, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

We had the governor of New York last month!...... Dendodge.Talk^Help 19:46, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

If I'd noticed that I might have objected, having said that I usually let stuff like that slide because I can't be bothered complaining, so probably not. ☯Ferdia O'Brien ^(T)/_(C) 23:17, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, but that was because he was the first black governor of New York, and the first blind governor of New York (second country wide). It was also an effect of the Eliot Spitzer prostitution scandal. Puchiko (Talk-email) 13:39, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Well that just demonstrates my point that some "local" elections have implications that are newsworthy on a national and international level. That was exactly the case with Boris Johnson's remarkable win. I think it was certainly at least as newsworthy in the Anglophone world as say the Nepalese assembly elections. (Goldmanuk (talk) 20:53, 5 May 2008 (UTC))

Not really, as Boris gets no international power or recognition from it. In fact, on an international level, he could have been argued to have more power in his old job. On another note- remarkable? Come on, everyone saw it coming. J Milburn (talk) 21:09, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Logo

Why there is a thin white line running under the globe in the logo? Vinni3 (talk) 20:38, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

It's something that has been noted before—I don't recall what the issue is that it cannot be corrected, as on [3] et al.

Damn, the one you've linked to looks so much better, not just saying that or anything, somehow looks more toned. ☯Ferdia O'Brien ^(T)/_(C) 23:20, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Some rather bad cropping, I believe. That's how it looks to me anyway. Also, please don't swear. Look at WP:TALK. Lunakeet 14:40, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Have you even read the guideline you cited? The closest it has are comments regarding our civility guidelines, but as Wikipedia is not censored, that swearing wasn't directed at anyone and that is perhaps the least offensive 'swearing' out there, I can't see any problem with it. J Milburn (talk) 15:20, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah I'm going to need a citation on what stops me from saying damn. I'm very familiar with Wikipedia policys and guidelines, including the one you put forward, and I see none that stop me from doing the following: Fuck, shit, bolloxs. ☯Ferdia O'Brien ^(T)/_(C) 17:41, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Also the cropping in the logo seems fine to me, the logo is identicle in size to the one without the white outline, and the greyscale looks far more vivid too. ☯Ferdia O'Brien ^(T)/_(C) 17:43, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

just from looking at the images i'd say it's poor anti-aliasing or poor matting - selecting to anti alias an image against a white background and using it on a gray background causes fringes. 10:05, 6 May 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.100.114.76 (talk)

Featured lists?

In the section where it says "Today's featured article" why not put featured lists in there too? If you don't want to because theres not enough content in a list, why not put an article like List of storms in the 2005 Atlantic hurricane season since its not just a table. It looks like an article, yet it will never be on the front page? -- 70.134.94.54 (talk) 02:48, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

As stated on WP:LOTD, a featured list of the day is currently in an experimental mode. It may be several months before such an item would be featured on the main page. Cheers. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 03:02, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Whitespace caused by margin-top

The margin-top in the first <table> on the Main Page is causing some quite unseemly whitespace in Firefox when logged out. Removing margin-top entirely causes too little whitespace. Perhaps some CSS gurus could take a look? A screenshot of the problem is available here (though the screenshot does not include the recently-re-added donation banner and anon tip). --MZMcBride (talk) 05:26, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Berlicked

To have the food around the office eaten like a plague of locusts.