User talk:Phil Bridger

Date autoformatting poll

Hi there, I noticed that like me, you are opposed to any form of dates autoformatting. I have created some userboxes which you might like to add to your userspace to indicate your position. You will find the boxes here. Ohconfucius (talk) 07:47, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism?

In what way was my edit vandalism? Antique Rose (talk) 20:29, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Sorry. I was reverting some previous vandalism, and for some reason didn't get a warning about an edit conflict. I didn't mean to suggest that your edit was vandalism, only the previous ones. Phil Bridger (talk) 20:49, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

OK. I thought it must have been something like that. It has happened to me too. Best regards! Antique Rose (talk) 21:02, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Icon Publishing

Thanks for giving me the heads up on the circular references created by Alethic mood having text in "books"... derived from wikipedia. Messy. Ronabop (talk)

"Remove prod tag - it only takes a couple of seconds to verify that the book exits"

Hello Phil!

As I quote above, you removed a PROD tag from the Inter City article because "it only takes a couple of seconds to verify that the book exists".

I did a search in Google for the book by Cecil J. Allen called Titled Trains of Great Britain, and I looked through the results. I can easily tell that they're unreliable.

If you don't think that the results are unreliable, think again. I can post the results AND a page from that search if you need "proof". Here are the links:

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One of the resulting pages: http://www.steamindex.com/library/allen.htm

The results from the search: http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=cecil+j.+allen+titled+trains+of+great+britain&meta=

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Feel free to look at any of the others, but I will stress that they are unreliable.

When replying, please post {{Tb|calvinps}} on my talk page.

-calvinps- (talk) 16:27, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Try this search. Phil Bridger (talk) 16:30, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Jeez, sorry for this! I never knew Google had a book search LOL! -calvinps- (talk) 16:37, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

thanks guys for sorting this out. I've had this book on my shelves for 56 years, but as a new wikipedian wasn't quite sure what to do next.Flying Stag (talk) 19:03, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Pat Kenny

I am sorry but I never made any changes to Pat Kenny!!. Would you care to explain your comment on my talk page?. 86.41.37.134 (talk) 14:36, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

A user from your IP address vandalised the Pat Kenny article in March[1]. As noted on your talk page IP addresses can be shared or can change, so to avoid getting messages intended for other people you may wish to consider creating a Wikipedia account. Phil Bridger (talk) 15:12, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Response to your comment on Gorton

Response here Alice.haugen (talk • contribs) 22:11, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Gesupur

Well done. Your Proposed Deletion patrol work, addressing things with sources and being unafraid of merciless editing, sets a good example. Uncle G (talk) 14:32, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

I can do without your thanks, as I get a lot benefit from Wikipedia by virtue of the way that deletion nominations prompt me to look up subjects and learn about them for myself, but it's still good to know that some people appreciate my sharing the knowledge that I find. I also learn a lot about human nature in monitoring deletion nominations. I never cease to be amazed by the lack of natural curiosity in the way that some people rush to delete articles about subjects that they've never heard of rather than look for information about them. Phil Bridger (talk) 18:00, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Request to move article Vladimir Lenin incomplete

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Ibansk

Re: tag removal on Ibansk.

I have added back in the original research tag which you removed: "The most admirable character is Bawler. Truth Teller is obviously Alexander Solzhenitsyn. Lesser characters are more difficult to figure out." is all original research. The article is also

If you feel the article should be improved instead of deleted, please consider adding expand or expert rather than leaving the article untagged, uncategorized, and already marked as patrolled.

Please consider, as a courtesy, posting a deprod notification and the detailed summary of why you removed the tags. Wikipedia:PROD#Before_deletion

Thanks. JCutter (talk) 00:10, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

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Faizan

Hi, I see you've edited this article. Do you have any idea what it is about? Some of it reads as if it is about a historical character, other bits just don't make sense. Do you think it should be up for deletion? Thanks, Fahrenheit 17:13, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

I can't make much sense of it either, but some bits of the article seem to claim that he was a ruler of Sindh, in which case I would expect him at least to be mentioned in some English language books, but a Google Books search for Faizan+Sindh finds nothing that looks relevant: [2]. My edit was just to remove some obviously irrelevant stuff about Fisherman's Wharf. Phil Bridger (talk) 12:26, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I can't find any hits on google either, so I proposed it for deletion. I'm going to give it a bit more of a cleanup, and if I can't get someone who knows about it to improve it, propose it for speedy deletion Fahrenheit 16:56, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Copyright violation

You may not have seen Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Block feedback requested. Unfortunately, Footage (talk · contribs) has violated copyright in multiple articles. Unfortunately, your rescue work at Bhogali Bihu (AfD discussion) was heavily polluted by xyr copyright violations, both in the text that you built upon as a foundation (to the extent that after rescue it still contained sentences lifted word-for-word from the sources) and afterwards with additional copyright violations. I expect that this is very annoying. But it is why the article has just had to be restarted from scratch. Uncle G (talk) 15:47, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. Of cource it's annoying, but that annoyance is directed at the editor who caused the problem, not at you or Blueboy96. Phil Bridger (talk) 16:05, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Rainbow/Raduga film

Thanks for the help on the film page for Raduga. It was about to be deleted since it said only "1944 Russian film" and I came across the speedy delete notice while patrolling recent changes. It seemed a shame to delete an existing movie like that and looking at the internet info on the film, a seemingly important film for the period. Sadly, I had never tried making a page before and my efforts weren't completely up to film article standards. Thanks! Age Happens (talk) 05:18, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

AYR

Thanks for saving the little stub AYR, much appreciated. EA210269 (talk) 06:17, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Silliness indeed

I didn't get why you deleted my "silliness" sentence here ... are you moving it to a new section? It does kind of drift into another topic, maybe a topic for another day. (Watchlisting) - Dank (push to talk) 20:49, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

P.S. Excellent research on "outburts" btw, I'll add the redirect if you haven't already. - Dank (push to talk) 20:50, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

I didn't deliberately remove the "silliness". I think this might have been a case where an edit conflict wasn't flagged on saving - I've had that happen to me a few times recently. Or maybe I just fucked up. Anyway, please feel free to put the comment back in if you haven't already. Phil Bridger (talk) 21:02, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

K. - Dank (push to talk) 21:11, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Our somewhat philosophical discussion on notability

Relocated because we were veering too far offtopic for an AfD really:

I'm not arguing for or against keeping this particular article, but I must dispute the claim that notability means the same thing as exceptionalness (shouldn't that be exceptionality?). This is an encyclopedia, not the Guinness Book of Records. If every subject in a particular class passes the notability guidelines then we can have an article on every one of them, not just the exceptionally notable ones. Phil Bridger (talk) 23:38, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

I'd argue that in those cases, the definition of the class itself limits the class members to only the exceptional. "Every US president" is a class that only consists of people whose political career was exceptional. In the end though, I think it comes down to numbers. Arguing that every relation in a class of 20,000 relations is inherently notable isn't going to go very far. If there were only 10 countries in the world, we wouldn't even be having this discussion, every bilateral relation would surely be notable. Gigs (talk) 05:39, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Anton incident

You voted delete at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anton Salonen based on WP:BLP concerns. I have moved the article to Anton incident and removed the full name from the article. Meanwhile, in the real world the the diplomatic row has reached new levels. Considering how seldom formal diplomatic notes are used in Finland–Russia relations I guarantee that this story will be remembered 50 years from now (see de:Notenkrise). -- Petri Krohn (talk) 03:30, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

P.S. - In case I forgot to mention it, I was asking you to reconsider your vote. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 01:49, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Richard Coff

I had prodded this article, and you redirected it to a page on Third Ear Band. The only problem is, I'm far from certain this is the same Richard Coff; the one I prodded is an American, and I'm not sure he is that old (although they both play violin). Maybe we should give Richard Coff the Suzuki-method teacher a little more time to come up with some notability? And as to the other one, I'm not sure he even merits a redirect. Brianyoumans (talk) 13:34, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Ok, I won't object if you reverse the redirect and let the prod take its course. I think that the article subject is just about old enough to be the same as the Third Ear Band member, as I found something in my web searches that suggested the he was active in the 1960s, but I don't have any real evidence that they are the same person. Phil Bridger (talk) 13:41, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

I've decided to revert myself, so that a deleting admin won't treat my redirection as contesting the prod tag. Phil Bridger (talk) 13:43, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

I just did a bit of looking. and it seems like he graduated from the New England Conservatory in 1968. It is not inconceivable that he went off and was part of a progressive rock band in England for a few years, but if so, he fails to mention it in any of his profiles online - maybe it is just too dodgy of a past for a kid's violin teacher? I don't know. It is also possible he went directly off to learn from Suzuki, as in other places it says that he studied with Suzuki in the 60s. It isn't clear whether they are or are not the same people. Brianyoumans (talk) 14:07, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

M-girls

Multiple albums isn't a claim of notability if they're on a non-notable label. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Many otters • One bat • One hammer)} 23:19, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

And what is your evidence that this is a non-notable label? Please don't say that it's a red link - all that means is that we don't yet have an article on it, which is par for the course outside the Western Anglophone world. Speedy deletion is for clear cut cases. Articles that need further investigation should get proper scrutiny at AfD. Phil Bridger (talk) 23:28, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Oh, I see, you found sources too. That helps. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Many otters • One bat • One hammer)} 23:29, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Articles for deletion nomination of Flibbering

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Greece-Kyrgyzstan relations

Can you help find sources for Greece-Kyrgyzstan relations? --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 16:44, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

I had a go when I first saw the AfD, but couldn't come up with anything substantial. I even tried checking whether Alexander the Great got as far as Kyrgyzstan, but it seems that he didn't. Phil Bridger (talk) 16:50, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Haha

I never expected to get tips on writing style for a talk page. I think your point is well taken, but I went with the singular in this case since I want to emphasize that each and every administrator would have that obligation. Of course, I write articles differently. --Ryan Delaney ^talk 21:21, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Richard Bamping

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common enemy

I saw your reversal of that spammy link with "polite" summary--but I reversed myself on the rollback of the other edit. After looking at the source again it didn't look so spammy. What do you think? Feel free to revert me. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 17:42, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Gotcha. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 18:03, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

RE: Gonzaga College edit.

Wasn't me, must of been someone else who had this IP address before me. 86.44.205.18 (talk) 20:28, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Unsourced, Unsourced

Re: David Blatherwick. The reason I used that word twice was not to make it so. Each was used as a descriptor for two important things here. BLP should be sourced. POV should be sourced. Neither was appropriately so. The PROD comment was not wrong. Duffbeerforme (talk) 15:24, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

I would agree with "insufficiently sourced", but this wasn't "unsourced", and it was specifically the POV statements that were sourced to an article in Canadian Arts. Phil Bridger (talk) 15:48, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Fair point on the first, insufficiently was right, not unsourced. On the second, maybe true but what I had in mind "Initially interested in the potential for interconnectivity suggested by new media and the internet, David Blatherwick evoked the immense complexity of these center-less networks in his paintings" and "Consistent throughout his entire oeuvre is a fascination with all forms of seething, rampant life" (mostly the later). Were they in the Canadian Arts article? Sourcing suggested otherwise. My resources did not allow me to find that article. Duffbeerforme (talk) 16:24, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Pat O'Donnell

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David Blatherwick

You are invited to revisit the article and perhaps consider any further improvements that it might require. Thank you for a chance to affect a decent rescue. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 19:34, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I have added references to Malaysia–Sweden relations, do you think they are sufficient, can you help out looking for more references? --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 00:04, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

"I see that WP:MOS has this silly inconsistency between song titles and other titles"

No, no inconsistency there. Quotes are used to set off shorter artistic works or single works within collections, like songs and short stories. Italics are for longer/major works, such as the books those short stories are published in or the albums those songs are included on. It's not just a Wikipedia Manual of Style thing, it's the accepted practice most everywhere. Just thought explaining the reasoning to you might help you understand the rule and apply it to other similar situations as they come up. DreamGuy (talk) 20:45, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm, I'm not convinced, but I'll go and look up a few manuals of style. This seems to me to be a typical horse designed by a committee rather than a sensible way to approach formatting. Phil Bridger (talk) 21:07, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure why you don't think it's sensible. Makes perfect sense to me. But then I've been using it as a rule from the AP Stylebook for more than two decades now, so it's not like I've had any reason to question it for a long time. DreamGuy (talk) 21:33, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

Just wanted to thank you for saving my article from deletion! I don't check my account regularly and by the time I revisited, it would've been too late! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gausie (talk • contribs) 23:44, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

What'cha think?

Took this and made it into THIS. Not too bad for something that was "supposed" to fails WP:NF (grin). Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 02:27, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

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Estonia–Luxembourg relations

Hello, I've recently tried to restore this page to a version which can be improved upon (a non-protected, non-disambiguation page) and I wondered if I could get your opinion about whether it is currently up to the quality which we expect of every Wikipedia article. I would appreciate your comments on the article at User:Cdogsimmons/Estonia–Luxembourg relations on the talk page there, and further improvements that would get it closer to inclusion status are always welcome. Thanks.--Cdogsimmons (talk) 22:55, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Gathania

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gathania Cheers. I have responded on your comment about Gathania. Do you think this shows she is relevant? Linnea Linnea94 (talk) 11:30, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

I've made my comment at the AfD in favour of keeping. Phil Bridger (talk) 18:39, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Lodge Cottrell Ltd

Thanks for the editing you made to Lodge Cottrell Ltd. I believe you have now made this into a neutral entry fit for Wikipedia. I have also now added source and categories. Guess I should have put this Under Construction (?) It is certainly a notable company and will hopefully receive valuable contibutions over time. I would welcome any further assistance you can provide on this. Jet9864 (talk) 17:10, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

I've added a couple of independent sources to the article, and commented at the deletion discussion. Phil Bridger (talk) 18:43, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Re: Michael Galea

 Done –Juliancolton | ^Talk 20:34, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Curious revert

Just curious, was this accidental or intentional? If the latter, why did you revert that edit? --Conti|✉ 09:27, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Totally accidental. Thanks for pointing it out. I see that User:Dank has already cleaned up after me. Phil Bridger (talk) 09:41, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Guessed so. Thanks for the quick response. :) --Conti|✉ 09:43, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Kostadin Angelov

Thank you for taking the time to improve the article. I agree it is not a candidate for deletion any longer. Previously it was not even clear what teams he managed. Accurizer (talk) 14:28, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

How could two editors miss a blatant hoax at Jim Dawson?

Err, perhaps because of this and this? Google Books would tend to indicate that he exists... Bencherlite^Talk 12:37, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, well, it's good to know that I can't always be right! Phil Bridger (talk) 12:39, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Muhammad bin Jabr

Good catch on that, I was struggling to find a reference to show that he was actually a minister and remove the PROD. I've had the page on my watch list along with some of the other pages within the family tree. -SpacemanSpiff (talk) 16:46, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Your rationale

• Carina Axelsson (AfD discussion)

Of course, you are better authority on what your own, "made up", rationales are, so you might want to contribute here. ☺ Uncle G (talk) 10:41, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Stamford

Please do not insult my intelligence. It is easy enough for someone to assume Stamford Bridge crosses Stamford Brook as they are both in West London. It is surely helpful to point out here that in fact Stamford Bridge crosses Counters Brook. There is room in the article for that little piece of information Motmit (talk) 22:32, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

If you think that anyone other than you has confused Stamford Brook with Stamford Bridge then please provide a source to confirm it. Phil Bridger (talk) 22:37, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Really - How can you expect to get such a source? By that rationale you would do away with hat notes and any other useful pointers. An encyclopedia should be helpful. Your move was unhelpful.Motmit (talk) 22:50, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, if we're not to go by what sources say then we're left with common sense, which says that Stamford Brook (a very little known drain in West London - and please don't accuse me of belittling it because I once lived in Emlyn Road, W12, just down the road from Stamford Brook tube station) is much less likely to be confused with Stamford Bridge Stadium than this Stamford Bridge. Wikipedia is built on reliable sources. If you can can find that any such source reports that someone has been confused by this coincidence of naming then it can go in the article. Phil Bridger (talk) 23:12, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Society for the Scientific Study of Reading

Hi I noticed that you added a reference on the Society for the Scientific Study of Reading artilce. I was wondering if you would be interested in trying to sort out the mess that exists in the Category:Reading. There is a need to may be create some sub categies for reading support programs, ad may be a sub category Category:Reading instruction by country for all the the multitude of article which only refer to reading issues and orgnaistions in the USA, so that the whole Reading Categories can become more globalised. My main interest and time consuming interest i the editing Wikipedia:WikiProject Dyslexia articles. dolfrog (talk) 12:19, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Scottish articles being tagged as being in Hertfordshire

I've found the root cause of the problem: Category:Hill forts in Scotland had been categorized as belonging to Category:History of Hertfordshire, and the bot's simple-minded upward category traversal found then took it at face value, and concluded that Scotland was in Hertfordshire. I've removed it from that category, which will cure the category graph weirdness as of the next dump. Stopping the bot from following arcs upwards from categories naming the UK or its constituent countries would also have caught this: I've now also added some code to do this. -- The Anome (talk) 08:43, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

A quick-and-dirty scan of the category tree fails to find any more articles that have both the strings "Scotland" and "Hertfordshire" in their immediate parent categories. Although that's not an exhaustive check for the class of mistake above, it would have caught all the ones I've seen to date, so it suggests that there are not too many of these left: hopefully, none. -- The Anome (talk) 10:30, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

On manual review, it looks like they've all been found and fixed. -- The Anome (talk) 10:51, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Sovdepia

I listed Sovdepia at Afd WP:Articles for deletion/Sovdepia. I'll lay out more there. Jd2718 (talk) 23:23, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Maltese footballers

Hello. The national-football-teams website has been usually very reliable in only counting senior international matches. That said, I checked on Michael Galea, and his match in 2000 is a friendly against Andorra from the "Rothman's Tournament". I'm not certain whether that tournament is a full "A" international, but RSSSF usually does a good job of indicating matches which are not recognized by FIFA (and they didn't for that match). I can check the rest of the matches, but would expect that n-f-t did a good job of only counting full "A" internationals. Best regards. Jogurney (talk) 21:25, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

I found Galea's 2003 match, and it is definitely a full "A" international against Israel. Best regards. Jogurney (talk) 21:28, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

I checked RSSSF and could not find any indication that Jean Pierre Mifsud Triganza actually played for Malta in 2008 (contrary to his N-F-T entry). RSSSF doesn't appear to have a complete list of 2008 international matches yet, so it's possible they've just not updated yet. I'm not sure what to do. Jogurney (talk) 21:40, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

"a book-length biography from a non-vanity publisher is the clearest possible evidence of notability"

It certainly could be debated; the fact that the biography was written by the subject's daughter nullifies the existence of the biography as evidence of notability, in my opinion. That the biography was received well enough to become a best-seller might sway opinion back toward notability, however. If only there were any evidence of that... —  X  S  G  09:00, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

I disagree. I deliberately referred to the publisher rather than the author in my comment, because what makes the book a reliable source is not that somebody wrote it (whoever that was, and very many biographies are written by people close to the subject) but that Pendo Verlag published it. Phil Bridger (talk) 12:02, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Kalakkad S Ramanarayana Iyer

Can you help in sourcing to dePROD? I saw that you got good info for Navaragamalika before I did, so figured I might enlist your help on this one? I have definitely heard of and heard the subject growing up, but I haven't been able to find anything non-trivial in nature yet. Cheers -SpacemanSpiff (talk) 02:33, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm certainly no expect on carnatic music, but I'll have a go. Phil Bridger (talk) 08:29, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

I've spent the lunch break in the Ashes test looking for sources, but can't find anything more than a couple of passing mentions like the one from The Hindu linked from the article. I don't know Tamil, or any other Indian languages or scripts, so there might be some non-English sources on the Internet. I'm off back to the TV now to watch the Aussies get bowled out for 400 ;) Phil Bridger (talk) 12:38, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

There were a couple of GBooks hits I found (one was a program guide for The Music Academy), but it's the spelling variations that make it difficult. I've done a cursory search for Tamil sources, will do something deeper soon. He won the Kalaimamani award when it was really prestigious, but the value of the award has gone down significantly in the past few years. I lost any hope of seeing the Pommies win once I heard that they've roped in Buchanan as a consultant ;) -SpacemanSpiff (talk) 13:27, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, I'm glad that I didn't put any money where my typing finger was when I made that prediction! Have you found a source for the Kalaimamani award? I'm sure it's at least as good an indicator of notability as many of the awards for porn actors that are accepted for that purpose. Phil Bridger (talk) 18:00, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

I've found enough to change "is" to "was" in the leading sentence[3], as could be suspected from the year of birth, and thought I'd found confirmation of the Kalaimamani award here, but it turns out that that is a self-published book, so not usable for verification. I think I've pretty well exhausted my anglophone (or rather europhone - I can extract some meaning from pretty well any Germanic, Slavic or Romance language) ability to find sources. This is the search that I used. Phil Bridger (talk) 18:35, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Everything I've been able to find so far are non RS, although, I did find that The Hindu used the title Kalaimamani with his name a couple of times (that generally would lead one to believe that it was conferred, because The Hindu wouldn't say so otherwise, but of late, the veracity of The Hindu has been questioned, so I'll see if I can find something more specific), the problem with Tamil sources are that they don't have archives as far back as even 2000 (which a majority of the English sources in India do). The article has a few more days to go before deletion, so hopefully I'll find something over the weekend. -SpacemanSpiff (talk) 00:15, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm close to giving up on this one, can't find anything yet. The Tamil text is "காலக்காட் ராமநாராயண அய்யர்", the first name (which is his place of origin, can also be spelt as காளக்காடு or காலக்காடு, just in case you come across these words in any of your searches. -SpacemanSpiff { ^Calvin _Hobbes 01:52, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

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"Poor form"

Your accusation towards me of "poor form," under some unfounded assumption that I was knowingly attempting to use unethical means to delete a silly article, was really insulting. I've lengthened that abomination of an AFD discussion with a defense, but I would request that if you have further tar to sling, that you do it at my Talk page instead of adding still more irrelevant remarks to the AFD. Propaniac (talk) 20:49, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

You were the one that casted doubt, in the AfD discussion, on another editor's credentials based on the fact that that editor had been involved in discussion on the article's talk page, so it's perfectly reasonable to point out that you were also involved in that discussion, so your comments should be treated with the same pinch of salt. If you sling tar in an AfD discussion then the rebuttal belongs in the same place, so that the closing administrator has all the facts. It's a bit rich for you to make irrelevant remarks and then complain that I'm making "still more" irrelevant remarks. Phil Bridger (talk) 21:14, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

I said "he had ties to the article." That is literally, 100% all I said about his involvement; I didn't even specify that he was the "another user" I had mentioned in my nomination. If you can explain to me how that translates into saying "He's less neutral than I am," or how anyone could possibly not realize that I also had ties to the article when my AFD nomination went on for several hundred words explaining the actions I had participated in before making the nomination, please let me know because I'm totally baffled.

Your accusation was ridiculous and had, by your own admission, nothing to do with the article nomination. I defended myself against the ridiculous accusation instead of letting it pass without comment. Yes, I consider my digression more reasonable than yours. Propaniac (talk) 14:47, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Egyptian Premier League

There is no evidence that this is a professional league. Spiderone (talk) 16:00, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, its Wikipedia article says that it is, and, quite frankly, it's inconceivable that the top league in one of Africa's top footballing nations wouldn't be professional. Phil Bridger (talk) 16:05, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Barnstar

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Blue Berry Hill, Texas

Blueberry Hill is not a "community" in any sense of the word. All of the other CDPs listed in Bee County have post offices, fire departments etc. and are organized communities. Blueberry Hill is a small subdivision with absolutely no services or organization of it's own. It is part of Beeville and should be considered such. The article should be deleted. Vandersontx (talk) 04:46, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Long standing consensus has been that we should have articles on census designated places. If you can make a reasonable case for why this should be an exception then please start a discussion at WP:AFD rather than restore the prod tag, which is not allowed per WP:PROD. Phil Bridger (talk) 10:41, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Articles for deletion nomination of David Crawford (colonel)

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NEW Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of British females who reached number one on the Hot 100 (United States)

Hello, Phil Bridger! As you were previously involved with an AfD at the List of British females who reached number one on the Hot 100 (United States), I invite you to weigh in on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of British females who reached number one on the Hot 100 (United States); I am arguing for some sort of inclusion of the list and would welcome your participation there. Nobody else seems to be paying attention to the value of the information or the question of merging or expanding the list. Thanks in advance if you're willing to vote or comment, whatever your take might be. Abrazame (talk) 05:44, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

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Hridoy Khan

Hello,

Could you take a minute and add a claim to notability to Hridoy Khan which you recently deprodded. Someone tagged it as A7 today and I declined the speedy out of respect for your deprod. However, the article does actually fit the guideline as it is currently written.

Thanks, ThaddeusB (talk) 02:33, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Since you haven't added any clear claim to notability, I moved the article into the article incubator so that someone else will. The article is now located at Wikipedia:Article Incubator/Hridoy Khan, but should make its way back to mainspace in time. --ThaddeusB (talk) 01:53, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Liping Liu

You contested the {{prod}} on Liping Liu with the explanation that "a Google scholar search finds plenty of highly-cited papers". I'd be interested to know what search parameters you used, because when I do a Google scholar search on "Liping Liu" I get LOTS of papers, none of which are by this particular author. I get tons of "L Liu" which is about as useful as "J Smith". The few articles I find with the name "Liping Liu" are in the areas of geology or biology; again, neither are our guy. If you can indicate papers actually written by this author, I'd be glad to accept his notability, but I've been stumped in my searches. The two works listed in the article itself aren't much help. The first is a book which Liu co-edited, and which has only been cited 11 times. The second doesn't show up in Google scholar at all, but it does show up in Google books. I'm not convinced this professor passes WP:ACADEMIC. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 12:27, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

On looking more closely I see that you are right - I've reinstated the prod tag. Phil Bridger (talk) 14:09, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Brandeis Brokers

Hi - I wanted to see if you intend to work further on the Brandeis Brokers stub. There really is no context in this article about this company and the notability is pretty difficult to establish other than this single incident where the company was expelled by the FSA and then shut down. Further, it is an orphan that has not been touched in a long time and was created by a WP:SPA who has long since vanished. I really could not find much of anything else about the company to help add context or establish notability. As a result I would think pretty hard about taking it to AfD if you are not going to work on it. However, I didn't want to do so if you thought you would spend some time here. Let me know. |► ϋrбanяeneωaℓ • TALK ◄| 20:44, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

• On second thought I merged this into Pechiney.|► ϋrбanяeneωaℓ • TALK ◄| 21:04, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

No, I don't intend to do any more work on this, but I think that notability is pretty clear. If you look at Google News and Google Books you can see that not all coverage is about the expulsion, and I have already added a source from Les Echos that predates this. I don't understand what you mean about context: the article clearly says that this is a metal trading company that was a founding member of the London Metal Exchange. How is that not context? I also don't agree with the redirect that you made because for most of its existence this company was not part of the Pechiney Group, so I have reverted it. Phil Bridger (talk) 21:06, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Imprisonment of the Twelve Bishops

Thanks for finding these sources - in future, however, a rude edit summary is not needed. Try a polite talkpage message instead. Ironholds (talk) 22:39, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Mandal Norway

6 May 2009 you moved Mandal to Mandal, Norway. I found a link (actually 2, one in a table) did not follow on Extreme_points_of_Norway, so I fixed those. The page Mandal is a redirect and I don't know how to easily find any other links that might need fixed. PhilHoward (talk) 10:42, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out - I really should have fixed this when I moved the page. I think I've fixed all the links now. For future reference there is a "what links here" link in the toolbox in the left panel that you can use to check incoming links to a page. Phil Bridger (talk) 13:58, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

How does that work for redirects? PhilHoward (talk) 10:24, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

If you click on the redirect link, e.g. Mandal, you'll be sent to the redirect target, in this case "Tehsil", with a comment such as (Redirected from Mandal) under the title. You can then click on the word "Mandal" in that comment and you'll be taken to the redirect page. Phil Bridger (talk) 10:31, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Fissidens polypodioides

Hello, just wanted to stop by and say that next time you spot a mistake on my part, could you leave me a message on my talk page? It would be a little more helpful than saying you can't understand how it would be vandalism on your edit summary. We all make mistakes :) Xenocide^{Talk|Contributions} 02:24, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Re: Ramsgate

I've made a start on improving this article, and would like to develop it further, but would rather not invest the time to do so while there's still the possibility that it might get deleted. Could you please take another look the article and consider whether you can withdraw the AfD nomination? As there have been no delete !votes that would mean that the AfD can be closed and I can work on the article without worrying that my efforts will come to nothing. Phil Bridger (talk) 22:58, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes I will withdraw my request. The writing has improved (thanks to you mostly:) enough to identify context of the article. That was my reason for the AfD tagging, and now it is improved enough to be readable at the least.  Burningview  ✉ 01:22, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Re: OCLC

Note that removing the parameter was only one of the possible courses of action I listed. I also said trying to change the documentation/policies surrounding the use of the parameter was another option. Bot task-specific recourses are also available. --Cybercobra (talk) 18:37, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

I read that statement as being exhortatory (i.e. "PLEASE add an OCLC in the event the book has no ISBN"), not prohibitory (i.e. "DO NOT add an OCLC, UNLESS there is no ISBN"). --Cybercobra (talk) 18:50, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Jimmy Lopez

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I'm adding this notice as you removed the prod. The nature of the prod, added by the articles creator (User:Contribuyente1), backs of the autobiography tag (as does later edit comments by said editor [4] (applause for respecting policy)). The creator and major editor wanted the article deleted so I tried to speedy it by author request but a bit too much other editing was done. I find the notability on the questionable side and combining that with the creator (and probably subjects) request I took it to AFD. Duffbeerforme (talk) 11:08, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Intellectual Genocide

The article Intellectual Genocide has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

This article is all WP:Original research. No sources that the expression is used, or that the thing really exists. The fact that it compares Pakistan to the Nazis is also a red flag.

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Classification, not Catalog Number

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Have you formulated an opinion regarding Dewey and/or LC Classification yet? --Cybercobra (talk) 09:17, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Scots Hoose

Hi Phil.

The reason I know the club was upstairs is that I used to go there every Tuesday. Of course, I realise that this isn't a verifiable source, and I can't swear the club wasn't in the basement at some other time.

The Bruce Dunnet article seems a good idea, but I'm very busy at the moment. I will do it when I have time if no one has beaten me to it. Paul Magnussen (talk) 15:58, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

I certainly didn't mean to cast any doubt on your memories, despite the old adage that if you can remember the sixties you weren't really there! You spurred me into action and I've managed to find a reliable source for the club being upstairs. Phil Bridger (talk) 16:28, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Tireless Contributor Barnstar

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		For your work on researching notability for A Lesson of Belorussian I am honored to award this barnstar. Some editors have better google-fu ability than others.... and you shine in that category. MichaelQSchmidt (talk) 21:30, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Awww! Thanks! I'd like to wear that barnstar on my lapel, but there seems to something wrong with my printer - it doesn't spin when I print it out. Phil Bridger (talk) 21:45, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Infobox book

Again, your thoughts on the appropriateness of adding Dewey Decimal and/or Library of Congress Classification fields would be appreciated. I'm going to make the {{editprotected}} request relatively soon, so if you have any objections or concerns, now would be a great time to bring them up for discussion. --Cybercobra (talk) 04:34, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

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>>>> Posted By Alex Waelde (Leave Me A Messgae) 21:56, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Phil, I saw his deletions also, and dealt with some more of them. But I also tied to indicate what was wrong with the articles at least with tags from twinkle. DGG ( talk ) 03:43, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Captain Frank Beck

I saw your comment here. I prodded this mainly to see if the original editor would fix it (he'd already done a better draft of the article previously), but no luck; so I've re-written it myself. Swanny18 (talk) 21:03, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Findsources

I know it seems redundant, but more than one person had commented that they wished that it had a regular search function! I think there is enough of a UI issue that it justifies the redundancy. If anything, I would rather remove the search link that was there originally; the term itself, and keep the explicit search link. Would you like me to do that? Gigs (talk) 00:28, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

all villages are considered notable

Dear You commented Gochhi‎ article as all villages are considered notable. If there strong decision taken taken, please give me the link. Thanks.- Jayanta Nath ^{(Talk|Contrb)} 15:43, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

That is documented at WP:OUTCOMES#Places, which itself is based on the fact that articles on villages that are verified to exist are invariably kept by consensus in discussions at WP:AFD. Phil Bridger (talk) 16:44, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

OCLC outside linkage to worldcat website

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AfD nomination of Kaveh Rezaei

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Refugee Blues

You rather forcefully questioned my prod on this article - I wasn't questioning the author, I was questioning the need for a standalone article, which was scant, and had no references. Thedarxide (talk) 08:23, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Your prod rationale was "lacking context, no assertion of notability". I was simply pointing out that the opening sentence of the article, "Refugee Blues is one of W.H Auden's masterpieces", both provided context and was an assertion of notability. Phil Bridger (talk) 10:20, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Hawaii Theological Seminary

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Johannes Maas

I agree with you as to the notability of the person, but I wouldn't trust a Google Books search to verify whether a book contains reference to an individual or not, or at least not with a book that isn't viewable. In my experience Book Search is highly inaccurate unless the entire book is viewable. In this instance, it only finds three sentences that contain "Carter" and three that contain "Reagan", which to me seems unrealistic given that it's a 200-some page book largely about the Carter and Reagan presidencies. --NellieBly (talk) 01:02, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

When Google Books has only a snippet search available it will present a maximum of three results within the book, but, in my experience, if there are three or fewer hits it will display all of them. Phil Bridger (talk) 21:06, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Saltillo Engine, PROD and etc

Hello--

I do apologize that I hadn't seen the earlier PROD. If I wanted to be really picky I could say it was best to start there again since the article has shrunk so much since, but since you took it off that hardly matters anyway :) ...Anyway, thanks for adding that bit of info and sourcing. As-is now I can't see anything wrong with it as a stub. Thank you for keeping up my accidental current streak of people coming forward to help a pages just a little even after my head gets cloudy on it... much better result this way. Cheers~ ♪ daTheisen(talk) 05:33, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

:)

I have simply been trying to help out. I apologize for my mistakes but they are inevitable since I'm new.

Reubzz (talk) 22:51, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Errare est humanum Reubzz (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 22:56, 8 November 2009 (UTC).

AfD nomination of Indian Conference on Computer Vision, Graphics and Image Processing

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Prod

Hi, the green eyed, so..what do you think should be done to improve the article? Off2riorob (talk) 21:40, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

There's pretty self-evidently plenty that needs to be done to improve the article, but deleting it certainly won't improve it. Phil Bridger (talk) 21:51, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

response

The talk page I deleted said "can someone change the title of this article so it is capitalized properly?"

This had been done.

Therefore, it had been dealt with, and the page was no longer necessary. DS (talk) 20:02, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

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AfD nomination of Diwe

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Prod

OK, it's fine.-- fetchcomms☛ 19:57, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Articles for deletion 2nd nomination of Sambunot

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Notorious WP Admin: Ragib

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AfD nomination of Kalyan Dass Jain

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AfD - Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shesh Paul Vaid

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RfD nomination of MAYORS OF AGRA

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The Latter Five... resolved, closed, kept

Wanted to let you know, per your improvements, I've withdrawn and closed the discussion as non-admin close, withdrawn by nominator with no non-dissenting opinions given. I hope you don't hold it against me too much for this all, but I am honestly relieved if I can early close as keep any XfDs I open. It means people care about the article and will watch it, and only 1 in 5 AfDs I've opened had no response at the request for improvements and end admin close was delete. 2 were speedy keep per me upon improvements, other 2 were keep but weren't eligible for non-admin close since there were dissenting opinions (even 1 is too many, I was told). As odd as it sounds, it seems articles only seem to get attention they might need after an AfD... no one should CSD things like that, PRODs can always be removed, so the AfD pulls more information out of the woodwork. In this case I wasn't at all qualified to make improvements myself between the topic and self-administrated PoV restrictions based on a contributor to that article I indirectly ended up creating evidence against that eventually resulted in a block.
Thanks for your time on this, and being more proof that most anything can be resolved without possible blunt end results or the need to run even 1 full tier of dispute resolutions.  :) Cheers~ ♪ daTheisen(talk) 16:47, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

The important thing is that we got to the right result: a sourced article. It doesn't really matter how we got there. Phil Bridger (talk) 18:10, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Nursing in pakistan

Please look up the diference between "original research" and "stuff being written about it". The fact that somebody has written about nursing in Pakistan does not make comments like "Pakistan nursing council always acts responsibly and professionally wherever the matter of health and medicine occurs" and "Pakistan has really put on valuable efforts in establishing and organizing many professional nursing organizations" anything more than WP:OR at best and WP:BOLLOCKS at worst. Ironholds (talk) 19:40, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

You're just picking off a couple of sentences that are original research. Articles get deleted for this reason only if the whole article is original research, but most of this article is not. You have an edit tab that you can use to get rid of the sentences that you object to. Phil Bridger (talk) 19:52, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

My apologies - I should have pasted the entire article in here. Ironholds (talk) 21:11, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Do you actually think that the article author did his own independent research to establish that the Pakistan Nursing Council "is involved in improving and standardizes the public education and clinical nursing standards" and takes "care of ethics and general welfare of nurses" and "approves education programs and has the authority to examine, register and enrolls nurses, midwives and nursing auxiliaries of nursing council", or that "nurses are required to wear distinguishing devices like pins and colored epaulets to identify them as licensed professionals", rather than relying on previously published sources? This is way off from being an ideal encyclopedia article, but original research it is not. Phil Bridger (talk) 21:23, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

North Madras

I saw that you endorsed the PROD on this. I can attest to the fact that "North Madras" is a term regularly used for certain parts of the city, as is "South Madras". The parts inbetween are the ones with no umbrella name. I haven't really found any sources for the actual structure of North Madras, but this shows some usage. Technically, it refers to the (old) industrial part of the city, but now of course, it's all one big mix. This definition doesn't have an exact overlap with the parliamentary constituency, but the overap is significant -- Madras North (Lok Sabha constituency). If I find something to actually show define the article I'll contest the PROD, but figured I'd alert you, in case you have some better luck. cheers. -SpacemanSpiff 00:58, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Clathrina densa

I was just being a good doobie and doing some page patrolling -- didn't mean to get into a controversy. It does seem to me that 70+ articles (one genus, 70-odd species), each of which is only nine words with the same picture is a bit much. I understand creating stubs -- I do it a lot -- but these aren't stubs in any useful sense.

Anyway, I have no interest or expertise with which to follow this up. . . . . Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk • contribs) 16:13, 10 December 2009 (UTC) (Should you choose to respond, please do so here.)

Shirogane Tunnel

See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shirogane tunnel. Fences&Windows 23:50, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Michael Rosenzweig (composer)

I have nominated Michael Rosenzweig (composer) for deletion. I would be grateful if you could let the community know your opinion about this. Cheers --Karljoos (talk) 23:19, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

foreign language source

I have no idea what basis Spike had for asserting that we need English language sources -- am surprised to see that coming from an admin.--Epeefleche (talk) 19:14, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

I'm disappointed, but not surprised. There seems to be a very vocal group of editors, including some admins, who hang out at Wikipedia Review and think that they just have to shout "BLP" and that means that anyone who argues in favour of keeping an article is the spawn of the devil. I'm afraid I don't have the energy to argue against them. Phil Bridger (talk) 19:22, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

You've done your part on that article. Otherwise I would have quoted at you, with a nod to Edmund Burke, "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for a few good men to do nothing"--Epeefleche (talk) 19:25, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Discussion about this is ongoing here:User talk:Cyclopia#What to do about BLP deletion problem. Fences&Windows 22:31, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Mike Farrar

I have nominated the article Mike Farrar for deletion: see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mike Farrar. This is a courtesy notification as you removed a prod for the article in January 2008 so you may have an interest. --Mkativerata (talk) 14:55, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

The Hotchas

Thanks for catching the real name of the Hotcha Trio. Every now and then I find an article with so few Google hits that I suspect its title is erroneous, but aside from the {{hoax}} tag I know of no template or other mechanism to draw attention to the article. Is there a tag for a dispute/mistake in the title? Abductive (reasoning) 04:13, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

There is {{disputed title}}. I know it's not exactly what you are looking for, but it's the closest I could find, and combined with a note on the talk page it should do the the job. Phil Bridger (talk) 09:33, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Yuvika Chaudhary

Perhaps while you're trying to help build this encyclopedia, you could look up WP:CIVIL as well? Ironholds (talk) 23:39, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

So do you think that demanding deletion of other people's efforts to build the encyclopedia without taking a few seconds to look for evidence is civil? Phil Bridger (talk) 23:46, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

I do look for evidence; I appreciate I'm not infallible, and will, in the future, pay more attention. As it happens I think that what I do is not uncivil, no; since the problem here was WP:ENT, I confirmed that her roles were in most cases minor and in other cases not major enough to pass the guideline. The irony of a man accusing me of being uncivil and acting rashly after your actions is not lost on me. Ironholds (talk) 00:08, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Regarding Ndum

I'm sorry for the bad speedy delete template. When looking through I thought I saw the information, but looking back after your edit it wasn't there. However, I'm not sure if the page violates some other policy, per Nkin and would like to ask for your advice regarding the matter. I saw that Nkin was WP:PRODed because "foreign language vocabulary entry with no indication of potential for expansion -- WP is not a dictionary" (I'm not trying to justify my mistake as WP:Other stuff exists isn't a valid argument.

The user moved Bankon language to a bad title.

How should I deal with Ndum? Thank you for you advice, NativeForeigner ^Talk/_Contribs 00:34, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

What do you think

About this article in my user space [5]? I noticed you opine at AfD's and on subjects of other countries, and I think if I remember correctly also on the Balkans. This article was my first one and was deleted after an AfD. I have been improving it and continued working on it. What is your opinion on it and are you able to offer me some assistance/guidance/suggestion on it? Thank you in advance for your opinion. Turqoise127 (talk) 20:47, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Well, you've certainly got plenty of sources there. I don't have time right now to look through the article in detail, but should be able to do so in the next few days. I can't claim to be fluent in Croatian, but do have some knowledge of the language from having studied linguistics (specialising in Slavic languages) at university over 30 years ago, so I'll try to evaluate the sources. Phil Bridger (talk) 21:08, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Bagh-i-Muattar

Since numerous (dozens of) Wikipedia articles already exist about individual writings of Aleister Crowley, why should an article about this particular writing be redirected when the other articles are not so redirected? (To see a list of the writings of Aleister Crowley on which there are already Wikipedia articles, please see Works of Aleister Crowley.)0XQ (talk) 07:07, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Citation Barnstar
		For diligently finding sources for Fatah Hawks where none previoulsy existed. - Ahunt (talk) 22:31, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

		The Rescue from Deletion Barnstar
		I, Sulmues, award Phil Bridger with this star for saving Rexhep Demi Azis Tahir Ajdonati, Veli Gërra, Jakup Veseli, Zenel bej Begolli, Dervish bej Ipeku, Hajdin bej Draga, Bedri bej Ipeku, Dhimitër Zografi, Zyhdi Efendi Vlora, and Taq Tutulani from AFD. Since the AFD went well, all these articles are to be considered as if you owned them...Thank you for your helping Wikipedia be a better place!-- sulmues> (talk)--Sulmues 15:05, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Bohdanow article

Greetings Phil,

Just saw the comments about the Boghdanow article. I added a comment from my side providing several links. I hope that this will clear the field. However, I do have problem with my other article that is mensioned in the comment about Bohdanow. I simply dont understand what to do. If You have time to help me in this matter, I would be really gratefull for You help and assistance!

Best regards, Camdan (talk) 04:02, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Thank you

I appreciate your contacting me. Bearian (talk) 03:19, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Thank you Phil Bridger

I want to thank you for saving Mayor of Nicosia article. How can we stop disruptive users? Is their anyway we can tag disruptive users or warn them and warn others? Once again thank you. Also someone who I think shares our values is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG#David_S._Barnes —Preceding unsigned comment added by Polysophia (talk • contribs) 01:24, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

King Radio

Thank you so much for adding references to the King Radio article. I was hoping to add some myself but my copy of Calypso Callaloo has gone missing. He was an important calypsonian and should have an article. James Fryer (talk) 13:09, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Sedum burrito

Just wanted to say thanks as I was not completely sure what to do with that article. I had considered a redirect, but for some reason I did not proceed that way. It looks a lot cleaner this way. Cheers, Numero4 (talk) 16:18, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Mililani Trask

Thank you for your good work adding sources to Mililani Trask and saving it from deletion. Viriditas (talk) 10:07, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Marcello Guido

Apologies if my ranting comes across as too personal. I'm afraid that one of the various Wikipedia things that get me worked up is the deletion of subjects that clearly merit an article before the article is complete. There are quite a lot of articles that start out as a stub/invitation to contribute,and gradually get added to as they go from being possibly worth keeping, to probably, to secure. As long as a subject is clearly not notable it seems to be frustrating the whole object of Wikipedia to make knowledge available to block the flow of the process. Opbeith (talk) 09:06, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Bekim Bejta

I would appreciate some help regarding Bekim Bejta. The article was first proded here on 2009-11-19. The next day, 91.187.103.5 blanked the page without comment here and Coffee soon reverted that edit. Then, on 2009-11-21, 91.187.103.2 deleted the prod tag without comment or discussion. Minor changes were then made to the article until I replaced the deleted prod, which you indicate has been previously contested. Is deleting the prod or blanking the page the same as contesting it? I'm a novice at this. Tim Ross (talk) 17:16, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

The short answer is yes, deleting the prod tag does count as contesting it, as described at WP:PROD. The proposed deletion process is a quick and dirty mechanism by which an article can be deleted without discussion if nobody thinks it should be kept. Once someone has indicated by removing the prod template that they do want it kept then it needs to go for wider discussion at WP:AFD before it can be deleted. Phil Bridger (talk) 18:02, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing that up for me. Tim Ross (talk) 22:04, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Emelio Caligdong

You reverted the edit with a reference but you didn't even put the link. I also checked that source and it doesn't even mention anything related to the topic of Emelio Caligdong. Pbnjtime (talk) 11:25, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

I've fixed the citation - I must have taken the information from the wrong browser window. Please note for future reference that there is no requirement for sources to be available online, so the fact that I didn't provide a link is irrelevant. Phil Bridger (talk) 11:42, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

I'm completely aware of that, but I'm also aware that Manila Bulletin has an online site which they also post news which comes from their newspaper. That's why I had to bring that issue up. Pbnjtime (talk) 14:16, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Graham Langley restored

This article has been restored after its deletion was contested at Wikipedia:Deletion review. As you nominated the article to be deleted via WP:PROD, you may wish to nominate the article for a full deletion discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. --Tikiwont (talk) 19:23, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Rantevou stin Kerkyra

Good point. --Orange Mike | Talk 01:05, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Yugoslav University Debate Network

An article that you have been involved in editing, Yugoslav University Debate Network, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yugoslav University Debate Network. Thank you.

Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. Codf1977 (talk) 09:26, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Kudos

Thanks! The line "woman who changes" rang the bell. I moved it to the official orthography. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 ^{> haneʼ} 12:17, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Thorndike Proctor

Actually, there is no shred of notability in the article as it sits. I was giving it time to develop, so the picture would become clearer. That's why I declined the speedy-- he's obviously significant, but has no indication of notability. Cheers, Dlohcierekim 08:34, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Thank You

Just wanted to pop by and thank you for input here. Still thrashing around a bit, trying to assimilate the different guidelines, rules, formats, etc., so your clarification is much appreciated. --Haruth (talk) 11:24, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

Just a quick message to say thank you for your support to the David Pugh (Conservative politician) article which I created during it's deletion proposal. The end result was a keep so thanks for your vote. I'm especially pleased as I was up till almost 3:00am writing it and didn't want that work to go to waste!! Editor5807^speak 21:20, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Thank You, Phil

for your help in El Shaitan article. Furthermore, I need a qualified look at another article, dedicated to fictional character, which is also proposed for deletion. If You will find a time to have a quick glimpse there and tell your opinion about it, I will appreciate it a lot. -- SerdechnyG (talk) 08:25, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks again. -- SerdechnyG (talk) 09:29, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

El Shaitan

Hi, I saw you deprodded this article stating that "there are loads of sources cited apart from the source work)". Are you sure that these sources are not just trivial in-passing mentions of this character while discussing the (certainly notable) movie itself? --Crusio (talk) 09:58, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Comment: Some of them did not discuss the movie itself. E.g. Shaheen's "Reel bad Arabs", Rovin's "The encyclopedia of super villains" and Everson's "The bad guys" have nothing to deal with movie, they are all about the c h a r a c t e r. -- SerdechnyG (talk) 10:52, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Chris Cox prod

Thanks for catching that it was a repeat PROD -- I had missed that, and I hate when I miss things like that....--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 19:07, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Nothing to worry about. It was easy to miss because the previous prodder didn't provide an edit summary. Phil Bridger (talk) 19:25, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Could that be fixed with a bot? We already have bots indicating "section blanking" and "very short article"; why not "prod tag added" when the edit has no summary? B.Wind (talk) 20:11, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

I'm sure it could, but I'm not the best one to ask for advice, because I haven't done any programming for over ten years, and prior to that my experience was in IBM System/370 and System/390 assembler language rather than in any of these new-fangled languages that today's youngsters use for programming bots and the like. Phil Bridger (talk) 20:25, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Novyi Tevriz

Thanks for renaming the article. I couldn't find anything about it at its current name, and did look on the Russian Wikipedia. I wasn't sure what to do with it so just prodded it hoping a helpful editor would come along and fix, so thanks for doing so. Aiken ♫ 18:18, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Lennox Raphael

Just so you know, sourcing or not had nothing to do with why I WP:PROD'd the article. The earlier version did not make clear why he should be included in WP. Maurreen (talk) 18:45, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

OK, but I think it's a good idea to at least do a Google Books search before proposing such an article for deletion. Phil Bridger (talk) 19:23, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Vote India

If this article is to remain than it either needs more significant coverage, needs to seem less like an advert, and needs to not be an orphan. -Cam^T|C 19:44, 22 March 2010 (UTC)