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Hi, I'm a newbie, and I thought a photo of what I was told to be Pleurotus nidiformis would be good to put into creative commons. (1) I have since discovered the page Omphalotus_nidiformis which reclassifies (?) Pleurotus to Omphalotus and (2) looking at the existing photo of Omphalotus nidiformis, it appears that my friend's S.E.Qld fungus is (a) not South Australian and (b) has a darker centre. Now I'm afraid of adding anything AT ALL since it may be struck down. What should I do, please? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lacis alfredo (talkcontribs) 08:03, 26 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your redirection. What happens, though to the photo, now? Lacis alfredo (talk) 04:59, 27 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, I had planned expanding the article at some stage. If it is jammed in now it makes it look a little 'busy' Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:24, 27 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

More unIDed fungi

G'day Cas,

I've been frogging over the past few days, and the fungi season has definitely started! I have a coral fungi that I thought you would like for wiki, plus I also have a puff ball which I will upload later, will leave a message here when it is uploaded. Saw lots of fungi over the last few days, but only photographed the really interesting ones as I was using my small memory card, and wanted to leave some space for frogs.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/52507572@N00/465979784/?rotated=1&cb=1177065560324

Thanks. --liquidGhoul 10:41, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There was another nearby (about half a metre) which was 8cm tall, so I would go with Ramaria lorithamnus. It was taken in rainforest, was very little Eucalypt around. Do you want me to upload it to wiki? Thanks. --liquidGhoul 11:38, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nomenclature of fungi

Hey there. I recently stumbled across an issue of Nova Hedwigia Beheift titled "the genera of fungi" (or was it agaricaceae?). It's filled to the brink with mind-numbing nomenclatural discussions of all the genera ever described (I think, anyway). Would it be any use if I looked up the specific ref or any specific genera? Circeus 00:20, 14 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That would be friggin' trés bién. The first one that would be absolutely great to get a clarification on is Agaricus which was called Psalliota in many texts fro many years and I've been mystified as to why. Other articles I intend cleaning up are Amanita muscaria, which is the one I intended taking to FA first but it just didn't come together well, Gyromitra esculenta as a future FA, Agaricus bisporus as a future FA, and cleaning up the destroying angels - Amanita virosa, Amanita bisporiga and Amanita verna. Boletus edulis would be a good one to check too. let me know if anything interesting pops up. I'll see ifd I can think of any other taxonomic quagmires later today. Work just got real busy :( cheers, Cas Liber | talk | contribs 02:01, 14 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Generally, that's pretty arcane and only relevant to genus articles, or species that were tightly involving in defining them (for example, there seems to be an odd debate over the multiple type species for Amanita). I'll look up Agaricus, Amanita (since A. muscaria's the current type) and Psalliota. I'll also dig up the ref so you can look it up yourself, with any chance. Circeus 04:52, 14 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Cool, keen to see what pops up. cheers, Cas Liber | talk | contribs 05:17, 14 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I only quickly thumbed through it and noted the full ref (Donk, M.A. (1962). "The generic names proposed for Agaricaceae". Beiheifte zur Nova Hedwigia. 5: 1–320. ISSN 0078-2238.) because I forgot about it until the last minute. Psalliota looks like a classic synonym case. It shares the same type with Agaricus, and might be older. Circeus 01:02, 16 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Weird! I thought Linnaeus was calling all sorts of things Agaricus so I wonder how it could predate that really....anyway I am curious.cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:46, 16 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Okay, First thing I have to say is... Damn, 18th-19th century taxonomy and nomenclature of fungi is a right mess. Whose bright idea was it to give fungi 3 starting dates in the ICBN???

LOTS of "per" in citation here. See [1]

On Agaricus
Etym.: Possibly "from Agarica of Sarmatica, a district of Russia" (!). Note also Greek ἀγαρικ[1]όν "a sort of tree fungus" (There's been an Agaricon Adans. genus, treated by Donk in Persoonia 1:180)
Donk says Linnaeus' name is devalidated (so that the proper author citation apparently is "L. per Fr., 1821") because Agaricus was not linked to Tournefort's name (Linnaeus places both Agaricus Dill. and Amanita Dill. in synonymy), but truely a replacement for Amanita Dill., which would require that A. quercinus, not A. campestris be the type. This question compounded by the fact that Fries himself used Agaricus roughly in Linnaeus' sense (which leads to issues with Amanita), and that A. campestris was eventually excluded from Agaricus by Karsten and was apparently in Lepiota at the time Donk wrote this, commenting that a type conservation might become necessary.
All proposals to conserve Agaricus against Psalliota or vice versa have so far been considered superfluous.
On Lepiota
Etym. Probably greek λεπις, "scale"
Basionym is Agaricus sect. Lepiota Pers. 1797, devalidated by later starting date, so the citation is (Pers.) per S.F.Gray. It was only described, without species, and covered an earlier mentioned, but unnamed group of ringed, non-volvate species, regardless of spore color. Fries restricted the genus to white-spored species, and made into a tribe, which was, like Amanita repeatedly raised to genus rank.
The type is unclear. L. procera is considered the type (by Earle, 1909). Agaricus columbrinus (L. clypeolarus) was also suggested (by Singer, 1946) to avoid the many combination involved otherwise in splitting Macrolepiota, which include L. procera. Since both species had been placed into different genera prior to their selection (in Leucocoprinus and Mastocephalus respectively), Donk observes that a conservation will probably be needed, expressing support for Singer's emendation.
On Psalliota
Etym.: ψάλιον, "ring"
Psalliota was first published by Fries (1821) as trib. Psalliota. The type is Agaricus campestris (widely accepted, except by Earle, who proposed A. cretaceus). Kummer (not Quélet, who merely excluded Stropharia) was the first to elevate the tribe to a genus. Basically, Psalliota was the tribe containing the type of Agaricus, so when separated, it should have caused the rest of the genus to be renamed, not what happened. It seems to be currently not considered valid, or a junior homotypic synonym, anyway the explanation is that it was raised by (in retrospect) erroneously maintaining the tribe name.
On Amanita
Etym.: Possibly from Amanon,a mountain in Cilicia.

A first incarnation from Tentamen dispositionis methodicae Fungorum 65. 1797 is cited as devalidated: "Introduced to cover three groups already previously distinguished by Persoon (in [...] Tent. 18. 1797) under Agaricus L., but at that time not named. It is worth stressing that [The species now known as Amanita caesarea] was not mentioned."

With Agaricus L. in use, Amanita was a nomen nudum per modern standard, so Persoon gave it a new life unrelated to its previous incarnations, and that is finally published after a starting date by Hooker (the citation is Pers. per Hook., 1821). He reuses Withering's 1801 definition (A botanical arrangement of British plants, 4th ed.). "The name Amnita has been considered validly published on different occasions, depending on various considerations." Proposed types include (given as Amanita. Sometimes they were selected as Agarici):
  • A. livida Pers. (By Earle, in 1909). Had been excluded in Vaginata or Amanitopsis and could not be chosen.
  • A. muscaria Pers. (By Clemens & Shear, 1931) for the genus (1801) from Synopsis fungorum, was generally transferred to the one from Hooker's Flora of Scotland, which is currently considered the valid publication of Amanita (or was in the 50s).
  • A. phalloides (by Singer, 1936) for the 1801 genus.
  • A.bulbosa (by Singer & Smith, 1946) for Gray's republication. This is incorrect as Gray's A. bulbosa is a synonym of A. citrina. Some authors consider Gray to be the first valid republisher.
  • A. caeserea (by Gilbert, 1940). Troublesome because not known personally to Persoon or Fries.

Donk concludes the earliest valid type is A. muscaria, the species in Hooker, adding that he'd personally favor A. citrina.

The name has been republished three times in 1821: in Hooker, Roques and Gray (in that order). Roques maintained Persoon's circumscription, including Amanitopsis and Volvaria. Gray excluded Amanitopsis and Volvariella into Vaginata. Right after, Fries reset the name by reducing the genus to a tribe of Agaricus, minus pink-spored Volvariella. This tribe became a subgenus, than genus via various authors, Quélet, altough not the first, often being attributed the change. Sometimes it was used in a Persoonian sense (whether that is a correct use according to ICBN is not clear to me).
Homonyms of Amanita Pers. are Amanita adans. (1763, devalidated) and Amanita (Dill) Rafin. (1830)
On Boletus
Not including (Not in Agaricaceae, sorry).

Phew! Circeus 18:52, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I hope you intend to clean that prose ASAP? It's definitely not article-worthy as is. Circeus 01:05, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'm working on it. Got distracted this morning...cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:08, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

LOL, I love your sense of humour. Maimonedes is a good reference. The reality is that Islam takes food restrictions from Judaism; and Christianity doesn't have any restriction (courtesy of three references in the New Testament). The reason why pork should be restricted (along with many other things) is not given explicitly in the Hebrew Bible, hence Bible commentators have been offering guesses since ancient times. My own favourite, however, is Mary Douglas, wife of Louis Leakey, daughter of a Lutheran pastor. Her theory is excellent, based on her cultural anthropological observations, with a decent feel for how Biblical text works. It's rather an abstract theory though. Anyway, I'll see if I can manage a literature review of dietry restrictions in the ANE, especially if there's anything explicit about pork. Don't think I'll find a reference for "why" the pork taboo is in place, though, if it's documented, I'd have read about that in commentaries. Perhaps a clay tablet with the answer has been destroyed in only the last few years during the "troubles" in Iraq. :( Alastair Haines (talk) 21:27, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This is the great thing about uncertainty. Lacking an answer, the reports of Maimonides, Mary Douglas and the other guy mentioned are fascinating.Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:15, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Scotish pork taboo is a remarkable article! Thanks for that, lol. Alastair Haines (talk) 21:59, 8 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Spotted this. I'll look for a ref to the Maimonides comment. The normal teaching is that pork is no more or less offensive to Jews than any other forbidden meat (dog, horse etc) or forbidden part of kosher animal (blood, Gid Hanasheh etc). The pig (NB pig, not pork - an important distinction which is relevant for the Maimonides comment too, I note) is "singled out" because it alone of the animals that have one of the two "signs" (it has split hooves but doesn't chew the cud) lies down with its legs sticking out. Most quarapeds have their legs folded under them. There's a midrashic lesson to be learned there, apparently, that the pig is immodestly and falsely proclaiming its religious cleanliness, when it is not. Anyway, that said, I'll look into the M comment - he was quite ahead of his time in terms of medical knowledge (check his biog). And NB my OR/POV antennae buzzed when I read that little section. --Dweller (talk) 22:52, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Someone has tagged the Religious restrictions on the consumption of pork for OR, though the talk page seems to indicate it is for a different reason....Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:03, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm... makes me more dubious, but I'll check. btw... I'm not Alastair! --Dweller (talk) 23:10, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Have found good stuff, including online version of Maimonides text. I'll dump it here for you to use as you wish.

I maintain that the food which is forbidden by the Law is unwholesome. There is nothing among the forbidden kinds of food whose injurious character is doubted, except pork (Lev. xi. 7), and fat (ibid. vii. 23). But also in these cases the doubt is not justified. For pork contains more moisture than necessary [for human food], and too much of superfluous matter. The principal reason why the Law forbids swine's flesh is to be found in the circumstance that its habits and its food are very dirty and loathsome. It has already been pointed out how emphatically the Law enjoins the removal of the sight of loathsome objects, even in the field and in the camp; how much more objectionable is such a sight in towns. But if it were allowed to eat swine's flesh, the streets and houses would be more dirty than any cesspool, as may be seen at present in the country of the Franks.[2]

So, Maimonides argues "pork contains more moisture than necessary [for human food], and too much of superfluous matter", whatever that means! More importantly, the "principal reason" is that if you keep pigs, you end up with a dirty and unhealthy environment. Important note: Maimonides was writing from Islamic Egypt at the time, which is why he mentions "as may be seen at present in the country of the Franks." (ie France)

The comments about the pig's habit of lying with its legs outstretched come from Midrash Vayikra Rabba (ch 13) where it is mentioned as part of an elaborate metaphor, but not in connection with any reason for particularly abhorring the creature.

Hope that helps. --Dweller (talk) 09:48, 8 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I see you've taken it on, good work. The display and vision bits at Crested Tern apply for all the genus. The opening sentence isn't fully supported by Bridge - although Elegant is very close, Lesser Crested isn't, other than being in the same genus. I won't abandon this article (after all, one good ... aaaarrrggh, it's catching), but let me know if there's anything specific esp from BWP, Olsen or Harrison, where I have the books. Now, must be time for a couple of slices of bread with some meat in. 10:36, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Australian figs

Been a bit of a spike in editing the few days... Guettarda (talk) 00:22, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cute tool that. We'll see how many GAs, DYKs and FAs we can get. Got bits and pieces of horticultural stuff to add yet :) ...just musing on how to bonsai my species... Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:34, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Banksia sphaerocarpa var. pumilio

FloraBase has an entry for this, but no other information.[2] Know anything about it? Hesperian 04:54, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Never mind; I found it.[3] Hesperian 04:55, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
... and I see your name in the Acknowledgements too.... Hesperian 05:00, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
XD - cool! We were all always arguing about the distinctness of northern ashbyii, and Alex told me about the incana. sphaerocarpa makes my eyes goggle, I knew about latifolia but had no knowledge of pumilio. Wow, must go and read it now. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:09, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I guess you might want to have a look at this too. Hesperian 11:47, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A book you might enjoy

It's all about flowers ... well, err, kind of.

  • Patricia Fara, Sex, Botany and Empire: The Story of Carl Linnaeus and Joseph Banks, (Sydney: Allen & Unwin, 2003).

She's a senior tutor in philosophy at Cambridge, written several very entertaining and informative books related to the history of science, probably including her doctorate.

But I expect you know of her and this book already. I would have thought it a must read for the Banks-ia Study Group leader. ;) Alastair Haines (talk) 11:57, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, interesting. No I haven't heard of her. I will chase this up :) Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:14, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Ah! Glad I mentioned it then. I'm very confident you'll find Patricia's writing as entertaining as it is informative. Cheers. Alastair Haines (talk) 03:02, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

RE Notable saying?

I recalled this one....Talk:Fes,_Morocco#Old_moroccan_saying - is it famous in morocco? Or just some anglophone urban myth...Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:02, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Replied at the article talk page. p.s. I like your Fez up there :) -- FayssalF - Wiki me up® 04:31, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Banksia and climate change

This is an interesting paper: "Between 5% and 25% of [Banksia] species were projected to suffer range losses of 100% by 2080." I can send you a PDF if you're interested. Hesperian 23:59, 22 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yikes! Yes please. Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:25, 23 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Hesperian 00:41, 23 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]


The early morning sun hits the spires of Pura Besakih

DYK that the most important Hindu Temple in Bali has a single sentence of coverage? oldid :( Jack Merridew 16:43, 25 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I get 5 days, right? Cheers, Jack Merridew 10:10, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Karena ini, Anda harus menulis itu.
Saya akan pergi ke Kupang 25 Juli.
Mungkin Anda ikut?
Ta'at cuma kalo ada yang liat. ;)
Tapi di Wiki selalu ada yang liat. :(

Alastair Haines (talk) 10:10, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Oh crud, sorry Jack - Alastair's poem was very timely. Yes, 5 days it is. Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:25, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I have da book with a section on this; I don't have it with me at the moment. Thanks for the tweaks. I tweaked some of the images on Common. People should learn to hold their cameras level. The Pura Besakih particle really should be of the scale of Borobudur. Cheers, Jack Merridew 10:54, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
ma'af lads, I'll be watching for black bamboo while I'm in Timor ;) Alastair Haines (talk) 10:30, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Alastair, welcome back. Please note that my bahasa Indonesia is the pits; and that's four years along. It does take being tough to be here ;) Let me know if I can help. Been there, done that. Cheers, Jack Merridew 10:54, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Pura Ulun Danu Bratan — opps; wrong temple; there are thousands. This is still an important one; See also Tanah Lot
See also
Ahaaa. ok, that redlink will turn blue sometime soon....Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:31, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I was thinking that. There are some pics at Commons:Category:Pura Ulun Danu Batur and I have some, somewhere. It's quite picturesque and is shown prominently on things like Lonely Planet covers. Cheers, Jack Merridew 14:16, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
See also also

I have unfortunately had to revert much of the changes you have made to the Alpha Centauri page - mainly to the structure revisions that you have done. While I agree it is best to standardise between bright star pages (i.e. Sirius), there is significant problems doing so to the Alpha Centauri page. The problem in previous edits is the confusion with Alpha Centauri the star and Alpha Centauri as a system. There was much about alpha centauri, especially its brightness compared to Arcturus as well as the relationship with Proxima Centauri. (See the Discussion with the associated page to this article.) It was thought best to avoid complexity by giving the basic information, and add complexity in sections so information could be understood at various levels of knowledge. Also as there is much interest in Alpha Centauri from children to amateur astronomers, it was best to give the introduction as brief as possible and explain the complexities as we go. As to modifications of articles as drastically as you have done to complex article, it might be better to do so with some discussion in the discussion section before doing so. Although I note that you have much experience in doing wiki edits, much better than me, it is better to make small changes in complex articles paragraph by paragraph than carte blanche changes. (I am very happy to discuss any issues on the article with you in the alpha centauri discussion to improve the article.)

As to the introduction, much of the additions you have made are actually speculative, and are not necessary on fact. I.e. "This makes it a logical choice as "first port of call" in speculative fiction about interstellar travel, which assumes eventual human exploration, and even the discovery and colonization of imagined planetary systems. These themes are common to many video games and works of science fiction." has little to do with the basic facts on alpha centauri. I.e. Nearest star, third brightest star, binary star, etc. As for "Kinematics" as a title, this is irrelevant (Sirius article also has it wrong). (Also see Discussion page for Alpha Centauri with SpacePotato) Note: I have contributed much to this page - 713 edits according to the statistics. (27th April 2008 to today) Arianewiki1 18:04, 6 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

O-kay...taken it to the talk page.Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:29, 6 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Judea and Samaria

Hi Casliber, if you have time, would you mind commenting here? SlimVirgin talk|contribs 19:44, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bract pattern

You know what I don't get? On page 245 of George (1981), and again on page 40 of Collins (2007), George gives a diagram showing the arrangement of unit inflorescences on a Banksia flower spike. Both diagrams clearly show a hexagonal layout; i.e. every common bract is surrounded by six equidistant common bracts, thus forming little hexagons. In support of this, George (1981) states "The unit inflorescences are so arranged on the axis that there are three pattern lines—vertical, and both dextral and sinistral spiral."

I haven't dissected an inflorescence, but in some species the pattern persists right through flowering and can be seen on the infructescence. You won't get a better example than this B. menziesii cone. Look at that pattern. There's no way you could call it hexagonal. It is a rectangular (or rather diamond, since the lines are diagonal) grid. Depending on how you define a neighbourhood, you could argue that each common bract has 4 or 8 neighbours, but there's no way you could argue for 6. Similarly, you could argue for two pattern lines (dextral and sinistral spiral) or four (dextral, sinistral, vertical and horizontal), but there is no way you could argue for 3, because there is no reason to include vertical whilst excluding horizontal). On top of that there is a beautiful symmetry in the way each common bract is surrounded by its own floral bracts and those of its neighbours. But George's diagrams destroy that symmetry.

I thought maybe B. menziesii was an exception to a general rule, but you can see the same diamond grid, though not as clearly, in File:Banksia serrata4.jpg, and I reckon (but am not certain) I can see it in my B. attenuata cone. And in File:Banksia prionotes mature cone.jpg too. What the heck is going on?

(I'm not just being a pretentious wanker here. I thought the diagram was interesting and informative enough for me to whip up an SVG version for Wikipedia. But since copying George's diagram isn't really on, and it is much better to go straight from nature if possible, I was basing my version on this B. menziesii cone. But it isn't going to work if the diagram shows a rectangular grid and the text has to say it is hexagonal.)

Hesperian 13:28, 29 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for reminding me on this one - I think it was Alex (or Kevin??) who told me that every bract pattern was unique to a species and hence diagnostic, but as far as I know not much if anything has been published on this area. The similarity between archaeocarpa and attenuata was noted (the bract pattern remaining in the fossils). I seem to recall feeling bamboozled as well by the description when I read it some time ago. I will have to refresh myself with some bedtime reading....Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:50, 29 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Update: I had a look at the pages in question in the banksia book(s), there is a little bit more in the 1981 monograph but not much. I meant to ring Alex George about this and should do so in the next few days...I guess the photos look sort of like hexagons stretched vertically :P Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:46, 2 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Dipsacus fullonum Just passing through. I am not an expert with flora but I do take photos now and again. Does this image from my personal collection help or hinder your discussion? I see diamonds --Senra (talk) 12:58, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Haha yeah. Not a bad comparison at all. a diamond pattern it is there as well. You sorta let your eyes go a little out of focus and see two diagonal lines....Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:12, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Question

If this is what developing flower pairs look like...
then what are these brown and white furry things?

I note that the last six images to be posted on your talk page were posted by me. I'm not sure whether to apologise....

What is going on in the lower image? Clearly this is an inflorescence in very early bud, but those furry white things are apparently not developing flower pairs. Are they some kind of protective bract or something?

Hesperian 01:24, 1 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You certainly see those thingies on the developing buds of alot of banksias. I'd be intrigued what the Nikulinsky book, which is essentially a series of plates of a developing menziesii inflorescence, says (not sure, I don't recall whether it had commentary...). Another thing to look up. Was about to look up the patterns just now. Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:35, 1 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Now I have looked at the books and bract architecture, question is are they common bracts or are they something which falls off (don't think so but..). Something else to ask Alex. Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:49, 2 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Having found nothing in George, I've been reading Douglas's stuff on ontogeny of Proteaceae flowers, and found nothing there either.

If you snap a spike axis in half, they are just that brown colour, and essentially made of closely packed fuzz. I wonder if there is initially no gap in the axis for the flower to grow, so the developing flower literally has to shove some of the axis out in front of it as it extends. This would explain everything except for the white tip. Hesperian 10:23, 2 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]


I have today taken a long lunch and gone bushwalking with Gnangarra. While he took happy-snaps, I did some OR on this question. My diagnosis is: these are peduncles that have developed common bracts, but have not yet developed floral bracts or flowers.

In very young spikes like the one pictured here, they are not yet very densely packed together, so they can be perceived as individual peduncles. Given time, they will continue to grow, and as they do so they will become more and more densely packed together, until eventually they are jammed together so tightly that their dense coverings of hairs form the fibrous brown material that comprises a typical flower spike, and the common bracts at their apex will form the bract pattern on the surface of the spike. At that point, they will no longer be distinguishable as individual peduncles, but will simply be part of the spike.

When the flowers start to develop, they get squeezed together even more. At this point, sometimes, a peduncle may break off the axis and be squeezed right out of the spike as the flowers around it develop. Thus you may see one or two of these furry things sitting at random positions on the surface of a developed flower spike.

As evidence for this hypothesis I offer the following observations:

  1. Wherever one of those "furry things" is found loose on the surface of a spike, you will also find a gap in the bract pattern beneath it, where the common bract is absent;
  2. "Furry things" may occasionally be found partly out of the spike, but partly in, in which cases the white tip is quite obviously the common bract. In such cases removal of the "furry thing" leaves behind a visible hole in the spike where a common bract ought to be.

Hesperian 05:58, 15 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting - Gah! Forgot to ring Alex - evening is a crazy time with little availability for me, but will see what I can do. Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:57, 15 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not OR any more. Look at the picture of "Banksia flower bud seen in profile" here: clear evidence of the common and floral bracts forming one of those little furry upside-down pyramids, with the flower arising from it. Hesperian 03:38, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

On a tangential point, the first image would most likely pass FPC if it ever finds a home that is appropriate. Noodle snacks (talk) 06:55, 17 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hmmm, okay, hopefully Hesperian will see this thread. :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:31, 17 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Gosh, would it really?! I was quite proud of it but a bit unsure whether it had enough depth of field. But if I'll take anyone's word that it would probably pass, I'll take Noodle snacks. :-) Hesperian 23:27, 17 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Special edition triple crown question

Hi- I'm assuming that you have a hand in the Durova's Triple crown, based on the edit history of the page. Anyhow, I was wondering if you also had a hand in the special edition crowns because Durova looks to have her hands full with numerous other things.

Here are discussions (one and two) about a special editiion triple crown for the WikiProject Video games. If this is something you don't handle or are too busy to handle, I more than understand. Thank you for your time. (Guyinblack25 talk 17:23, 30 September 2009 (UTC))[reply]

Sounds fun. I should have some time free in a few hours. I ducked on now to make a statement quickly. Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:21, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The tricky issue is finding free images or navigating fair use policy - eg screenshots etc. I am not great on policy and will ask someone more clued in. Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:09, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for taking the time to do this. In regard to images, this free game controller image is frequently used for the Video games project. There are more video game-related icons on Commons as well as a category for video games in general. (Guyinblack25 talk 14:37, 1 October 2009 (UTC))[reply]
Nearly my bedtime here, but tomorrow I'll take a look. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:38, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Update: Just browsing through old posts. I have an idea for this one now, just need some time...Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:14, 15 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That's cool. Thanks for the update.
And in addition to the editors listed here, PresN recently become a triple crown winner. His articles (DYK: Music of the Katamari Damacy series, GA: Music of the Final Fantasy series, and FC: List of Final Fantasy compilation albums) are music articles related to video game series. Please include him along with the others. (Guyinblack25 talk 16:04, 16 November 2009 (UTC))[reply]

Latest on B. brownii

http://www.springerlink.com/content/f22r726063l50761/ Hesperian 10:44, 8 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting - makes for some dry reading. Hadn't realised it was 10 populations out of 27 which have become extinct since 1996.. :( Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:47, 8 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I should have read it before posting here, in which case I wouldn't have bothered posting here at all: it is as boring as bat shit. Hesperian 11:15, 8 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Parrot stuff

doi:10.1016/j.ympev.2009.08.021 is not finalized, but the preprint is ready and formatted. It may well be one of the most comprehensive and beautiful papers on the topic of Psittaciformes evolution. Only gripe: it still does not consider the fossil record fully. Is doi:10.1080/08912960600641224 really so hard to get? 2 cites in 3 years for what is essentially the baseline review is far too little... even Mayr does not cite it - granted, most is not Paleogene, but still...).

But that does not affect the new paper much, since they remain refreshingly noncommitted on the things they cannot reliably assess from their data. And data they have a lot. Also always nice to see geography mapped on phylogenetic trees. Dysmorodrepanis (talk) 01:19, 2 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

PDFs sent... let me know if need anything else. Sasata (talk) 08:17, 7 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thx :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:39, 7 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Banksia menziesii with persistent florets

While I was out a-walking in the bush one day last week, I spied a banksia with an unfamiliar jizz. Even on closer inspection I was bamboozled for half a minute until the pieces fell together and I realised I was looking at a B. menziesii with persistent florets. Not just a bit late to fall: there were old cones from previous seasons with the florets still bolted on. In fact, there wasn't a single bald cone on the whole tree. I've never seen anything like it. Have you? Hesperian 04:42, 2 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm..interesting. I have not ever noticed a menziesii like this, but not to say it can't happen. Might it be a menziesii/prionotes hybrid - how far is the tree from you? I'd compare the newgrowth/leaf dimensions/trunk all for comparison. Did it have any new flowers? Some of these old cones have an aura of prionotes about them...Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:11, 2 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
prionotes crossed my mind at first, but the bark is that of menziesii, and nothing like the distinctive prionotes bark. And the flower spikes lack the woolliness of old prionotes florets.

It's quite near my place; about ten minutes drive. Even closer to where Alex lives (assuming he still lives at the address he has been publishing under lately): only five minutes drive from there I would guess. If it's prionotes (which it isn't), then we've extended the known range of that species 10km south. Likewise, a hybrid means there's a prionotes population nearby, so it amounts to the same thing. Hesperian 05:30, 2 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Paper

An interesting abstract: [4]. A new species, plus implications, I assume, for historical biogeography. I can't access the PDF myself; I've asked Rkitko if he can. Hesperian 23:52, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Emailed. Guettarda (talk) 00:22, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
thanks - charismatic genus hahaha :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:17, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
In the opening paragraph they call it "famous". :-) Hesperian 01:19, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Even better. Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:27, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've watchlisted the article. Waiting to see that link turn blue. Guettarda (talk) 05:05, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]


G'day. More empty reassurances that I'll get to B. sessilis as soon as I have time. I printed out several useful papers today, but have been too busy to read them let alone work them in. The caesia paper Rkitko provided at WT:PLANTS looks red hot. Hesperian 14:03, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Cool. Just buffing sessilis now before I go to bed. It is shaping up nicely. Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:06, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Me, I've got no brains left tonight. I'm over at Wikisource mindlessly transcribing pages of Sachs' History of Botany. Hesperian 14:08, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Do you recall seeing a source for its ability to recolonise disturbed areas? as nothing's turning up online...Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:11, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well, it isn't the best reference, but you could use Leaf & Branch (see the prionotes article for the full citation.) Page 92: "As its thickets suggest, parrotbush regenerates readily. A prolific flowerer, it produces many seeds. In the Darling Range it is a good colonizer of gravel-pits." Hesperian 14:23, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Phew - you found something - what a relief and to think I have a copy as well :( SatuSuro 15:34, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Lamont et al. (1998), pp 381–382: "Prolific flowering in D. sessilis does lead to massive seed output, accounting for its exceptional colonising ability after and between fires." [my emphasis] Hesperian 13:17, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
That's great! I need to sleep now, but in the am...Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:31, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've added a mention myself, in discussing high fecundity as fire adaptation. I have a handful of solid pathology papers here, so I'll make a start on a disease subsection next. G'night. Hesperian 14:05, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I know this conversation is stale now, but I found a great reference for this. The first sentence of
Rockel, B. A.; McGann, L. R.; Murray, D. I. L. (1982). "Phytophthora cinnamomi causing death of Dryandra sessilis on old dieback sites in the jarrah forest". Australasian Plant Pathology. 11 (4): 49–50.{{cite journal}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)
is
"The proteaceous species Dryandra sessilis (Knight) Domin is an aggressive coloniser of disturbed or open forest in south west Western Australia."
Hesperian 13:49, 24 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
No indeed - this ref is much better, as the other only mentioned its colonising of disturbed areas being observed in the Darling Scarp.Can you add as I am wrestling with microsoft word in another tab? Back later. Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:53, 24 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, didn't see this last night. Done now. I have a couple of papers on root physiology that I want to read to see if it is worth adding a paragraph, and then I'll be all done. Hesperian 02:01, 25 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
No worries, I'll lurk a bit and copyedit. Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:04, 25 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
While I've got you, I've just proofed Wikisource:Page:History of botany (Sachs; Garnsey).djvu/42, which has three Greek words with diacritics. I'm reasonably certain about two of them, but the middle one has that ~/^ problem that I seem to remember asking you about a long time ago. Could have have a quick look for me? Hesperian 14:26, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, should be a rounded circumflex thingy - I changed it. I really need to sleep now....Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:33, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thankyou, thankyou, and goodnight! Hesperian 14:34, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I finally made it to the library and got a hold of the article you had asked about a couple of weeks ago. There's enough info there to make DYK-worthy stubs on the genus, and three of the species (macrocarpus, katerinae, toomanis), or, alternatively, maybe enough for a GA on the genus. What are the chances of images? Apparently these fungi make small but visible apothecia on the seed capsules. Berkeley and Broome first wrote about the fungus in 1887, so maybe there's a sketch from the protologue that's useable. Anyway, I'll start adding text in a day or two and maybe we can have the first Banksia/Fungi wikiproject collaboration? Sasata (talk) 14:25, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Berkeley & Broome (1887) is online at http://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/item/13683 — see page 217. There is a picture at Plate 29 figure 18. Hesperian 02:09, 19 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
That's a nice image on plate 29 there. They call it Tympanis toomanis on page 224 decription of plate. How do we capture that image and replicate it on commons? Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:06, 19 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Like this. Hesperian 03:37, 19 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
On page 222, they talk about finding it on a banksia cone near the Tooma River in southern NSW, which leaves me thinking it is a cone of Banksia marginata although they do not state this (OR alert ++++). Funny looking marginata cone but marginata is a hugely variable species....Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:11, 19 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Check your email; I've sent you a copy of Beaton (1982), where they do state that the cone is B. marginata. (You guys should have asked me first; I could have saved Sasata a walk to the library.) Hesperian 03:26, 19 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
@Sasata - I'll leave it up to you whether a solid GA and one DYK for the whole shebang, or 4 species articles - you've got the material and I am happy either way. cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:11, 19 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Am working on the article behind-the-scenes now... that picture you uploaded is excellent, and thanks Hesp for finding the protologue. Too bad the scan resolution is so crappy; I can upload a screen capture/crop to Commons, but will first investigate to see if there's a copy of the original around here so I might rescan at higher resolution. Four DYKs and 1 GA doesn't sound unreasonable for the lot, but I'll see what I can come up with. Sasata (talk) 03:32, 19 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The resolution is good. I guess you were looking at it at 25%. Try zooming in. Hesperian 03:40, 19 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, it'll do the trick. I gave the article a good push towards GA. Hesp, do you have easy access to Beaton 1984, or maybe Fuhrer, B,; May, T. (1993). "Host specificity of disc-fungi in the genus Banksiamyces on Banksia." Victorian Naturalist (South Yarra) 110 (2):73-75? I think once those two are located and added, that'll be it from journals (but you may find stuff to add from your Banksia books?). I could start stubs for the species, but it would be a shame to have to leave out B. maccannii. Sasata (talk) 07:09, 19 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I can probably get Vic Naturalist at UNSW Library next tuesday or friday (slim chance on weekend). Casliber (talk · contribs) 07:25, 19 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
When you get to Victorian Naturalist, you'll also want to grab Sommerville, K.; May, T. (2006). "Some taxonomic and ecological observations on Banksiamyces". The Victorian Naturalist. 123: 366–375.{{cite journal}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link) Hesperian 08:43, 19 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for finding that, wonder why it didn't show up in my database search. Cas, if it's too mush hassle for you to get these, let me know and I can order them, would take 1-2 weeks to get here.
I'll have easy access to Beaton (1984) on Monday. No access to Victorian Naturalist. Hesperian 08:38, 19 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, forgot again. I've just scanned it now. Cas: I'll forward shortly; if you have Sasata's email address, can you forward it on please? Otherwise, Sasata: send me an email so I know where to send this scan. Hesperian 04:16, 25 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see any email link on your user page... I can wait until Cas forward a copy. Thanks kindly Sasata (talk) 15:25, 25 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I guess you've never noticed the "Email this user" link in the sidebar toolbox.... Hesperian 23:22, 25 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
! Wouldya look at that... That's embarrassing! Now excuse me while I go give eyewitness testimony in a murder trial. Sasata (talk) 23:46, 25 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hang on a sec, will send. Also, will be near the library again for Vic Naturalist. Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:03, 25 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hahaha. Fantastic. I just realised I never uplaoded a funny photo I took in WA a few years ago. I need to double check.
This old cone of Banksia violacea had these dark objects on it which might be a fungus as they certainly weren't on any other cones I saw about the place.
Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:25, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As OZtrylia has a notoriously under described rang of and field of mycology study - any signs of further fungi or algae work is to be encouraged at all points SatuSuro 01:51, 19 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Taking pity on poor Cas, whose Banksia books are still packed up in boxes:

From Collins, Collins and George (2008), page 47, first paragraph of a section entitled "Fungi and lichens":

"Many kinds of fungi are associated with Banksias. There is even a genus of fungi named for their association with these plants—Banksiamyces. The first species of these was recognised in the 1880s and placed in the genus Tympanis, then in the 1950s transferred to the genus Encoelia. Further collections and research led to the description of the genus Banksiamyces by Beaton and Weste in 1982, with two further species. Six taxa are now recognised, so far known from 13 species of Banksia (Sommerville & May, 2006). Commonly known as banksia discs, they have all been found on eastern Australian Banksias and one is also known in Western Australia. They are discomycete fungi, growing on the fruit and appearing as small, shallow dark cups on the follicles (Fuhrer, 2005). When dry they fold inwards and look like narrow slits. Their effect is unk[n]own but it seems unlikely that they are responsible for degradation of the seeds."

At the bottom of the page there is a photo of Banksiamyces on B. lemanniana. They look like little light grey maggots on the follicles. Based on the photo and textual description, I would suggest that the B. violacea photo doesn't show this genus. Hesperian 11:17, 19 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm, that's what I initially thought when I read the description and sketches in Beaton 1982, but after seeing B&B's 1872 sketches, I was pretty sure Cas's pic was a Banksiamyces. I guess I should reserve judgment until I get more info. Sasata (talk) 17:09, 19 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
From the abstract of Somerville and May 2006: "Apothecia of these crops are of different macroscopic appearance, with lighter apothecia being mostly immature, and darker apothecia producing spores." ... so who knows? Sasata (talk) 17:11, 19 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Anything else to add to this article? Shall we put it up for GAN? Sasata (talk) 17:39, 18 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah put it up, there might be some bits and pieces. I'll take a look. Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:32, 18 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Any Banksia experts you're chums with that might be able to give a confirmation on your putative Banksiamyces photo? Sasata (talk) 05:45, 21 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
damn, I meant to contact Tom May about it (who has been helpful before). Will dig up his email and see what he says. Casliber (talk · contribs) 07:09, 21 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

More bedtime reading

[5]—the most recent phylogeny and dating of Proteaceae. Easy to miss with such an obscure title. Hesperian 12:08, 28 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

WikiCup

Trying to lull the competition into a false sense of security? :) Guettarda (talk) 17:17, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Casliber! Due to this change log ( http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Boletus_edulis&diff=prev&oldid=181185974 ) You cited

  • Eiker A. (1990). "Commercial mushroom production in South Africa". Bulletin (Pretoria: Department of Agricultural Development) (418).

It is reference 49 in the current version now. I was looking very long for this bulletin, but I couldn't find it anywhere. Can You help me to find this bulletin, or do You know something exactlier about it?

I will thank You for Your help, Doc Taxon (talk) 04:59, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yikes! A blast from the past. I need to figure out where that is...Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:26, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, thank You very much! Please reply here in this user talk. Kind regards, Doc Taxon (talk) 14:44, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

cup

2010 Wikicup Semi-finalist
Awarded for progression into the 4th round (semi-finals) of the 2010 Wikicup
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  1. ^ Letter is script and looks like a Russian и.
  2. ^ Maimonides, Guide for the perplexed, Book III ch.48. Can be viewed online at http://www.sacred-texts.com/jud/gfp/gfp184.htm
  3. ^ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiCup/History/2010/Full/Round_3

Collaboration?

Thanks for the welcome note. I'm still figuring my way around this place. Pretty overwhelming!

I do have a few articles I've been working on that I need help with, but haven't figured out how or with whom to collaborate...except for the "Throw it against the wall and see what sticks approach" (i.e. post it anyway and see if it reeks!!!???). Needless to say, I haven't posted these articles as they never seem to get past the "Work in Progress" stage. Your thoughts on this would be much appreciated.

Also, I went to the Help page looking for any collaboration tips that might be offered, but nothing was found. I then clicked on The Wikipedia community link thinking that I would surely find something there. Tucked amidst all the other links was the Keeping informed section and underneath it Wikipedia:Community portal, but that too was pretty overwhelming. Anyway, as you scroll down, you finally get to a section on collaborations, but that too takes you in a million directions. Finally if you simply enter "collaboration" into the search box in Wikipedia, you are directed here: Collaboration — another dead end.

For those wanting to collaborate more effectively, perhaps a Collaboration or Collaboration Tips page could be created to help new contributors get oriented. Also I notice that the word "collaboration" itself, in Wikipedia, is virtually synonymous with "immensity" and "overwhelm" — given that its focus is a global community. Turning the word upside down and looking at it from the standpoint of the "New Wikipedian" trying to figure out the most effective way to interface with others in the community might make this section useful.

Anyway, just a few thoughts on helping new contributors get up to speed.

Sadalsuud (talk) 16:02, 1 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the insights on navigating as a neophyte. There is/was also Wikipedia:Article Collaboration and Improvement Drive but it is not active at present. Active collaborations are generally run by the wikiprojects themselves, like Wikipedia:WikiProject Birds/Collaboration and Wikipedia:WikiProject Mammals/Collaboration - they are generally active for anywhere for a few months to a couple of years. Wikipedia:WikiProject Astronomy has not had one that I am aware of, and there'd be some folks interested. I did have an idea about buffing up Betelgeuse but am not good on astrophysics. I also view Good Articles and Featured Articles as good things to aim for, as they represent 'stable points' that one can refer back to once/if articles degrade or change. Anyway, I will think of how we can tweak the above. If yuo want to start an astronomy collaboration I am happy to help (collaborate) :) Casliber (talk contribs) 20:52, 1 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
PS:Hold the fort, I did find Wikipedia:WikiProject Space/Collaboration...now why do we have separate Space and Astronomy wikiprojects I don't know....Casliber (talk contribs) 20:55, 1 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Thanks for the quick reply. Given your suggestion, I'm willing to step "to the plate" and start a collaboration page... if that's the most effective approach. To me it's a question of what works and what doesn't work. And given that I'm new here, your insights would be very useful.

Oddly, I'm no astrophysicist either. So I don't know if I qualify to manage a group on this topic. My background the last 30 years has been banking and finance — specifically launching new ventures. I just wanted to learn something about astronomy, starting reading articles, got hooked, and very quickly saw that articles could be radically improved with not too much effort.

Given my training, I tend to take a "bottom-up" versus "top-down" approach. So when I think of "collaboration", I think of 2-5 people max teaming up to achieve a specific objective. In this respect I could see dozens of small teams like this working on different goals. Whether that would work or not in the context of Wikipedia is another question. Your insights here, once again, would be valuable.

In my own case, where I saw that I could contribute was simply taking Stub-Class, Low or Mid-Importance articles and get them up to Start or even C or B Class. The recent article Pleione (star) is probably the best I've done. From there, I've gone on to create articles like Iota Herculis. Nothing major, right? I'm just "throwing stuff against the wall to see if it sticks". But here's the rub. I don't know if either of these contributions have any merit. So this is where the concept of "collaboration" comes into play for me. I would be good if I could simply "hand the ball off" to someone else and say "I've taken it as far as I can take it, what do you think?

Why I'm going into this level of detail is I looked at the Wikipedia:WikiProject Astronomy#Members section and I found it intimidating. There are 117 names on that list. As a manager, the first thing that pops into my head is "OK, so what? Who's in charge? Who's assigning what to whom? Who's taken on what assignments? What is expected of members? Is there a minimum level of contribution required? Can I post questions on their talk page and elicit their support? Is that not presumptuous? And who has time for this stuff anyway? Is there a "white flag" that Wikipedians can raise on their talk page that says "Hey, I'm busy this month, don't bug me"? ...etc. It's often been said that if everybody is responsible, nobody is responsible. This is often the downside of "big teams", and so that's why I'm seeing perhaps a different module to get neophytes like me fully plugged in, making useful rather than superfluous contributions.

I did look at what you proposed above at Wikipedia:WikiProject Space/Collaboration. Not a bad idea, but it seems to have failed for lack of interest. I looked at Observing the Moon to see that it was originally flagged in 2008 for improvement from C to FA class. Result? It's still C-Class. That's scary! Maybe there are very few out there that actually want to collaborate. Or maybe it was a failure in how the project was originally designed. Is there by chance a Designing an Effective WikiProject page that takes the best from the best? I also looked at Wikipedia:WikiProject Astronomy/Constellations Task Force. Great idea! I might in fact join. What's missing for me here is focus and results — a section which basically reads: After 3 years, this is our conclusion. Follow this format: A, B, C, D... But I don't see that. Hmmm! Maybe Wikipedia works because it's so open-ended. People just do what they do when they do it. So once again, the underlying inquiry for me is simply "What works?".

In conclusion, if I were to be the catalyst for a new collaboration, it would be something like this. Let's take one constellation per month and get the 10 most important stars and other deep sky objects in that constellation up to C class or better. There's a lot of Stub-Class articles out there with few or no references. It's a bit of a "grunt job" frankly, but if you're working on a team, there's a sense of accomplishment, and clearly it raises the overall quality of the encyclopedia. Maybe there's an astrophysicist in the group that can guide the effort and from there, we hand the ball off to another team. I don't know. Does any of this make sense? Would it even work?

Sadalsuud (talk) 13:52, 2 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. I did after all discover this page: Wikipedia:Collaborations It's sort of what I was looking for (though buried), but not quite. I think the page I'd ultimately like to see created is Help:Contents/Getting Plugged In. It encompasses collaboration, but has more to do with how you can most effectively contribute, collaboration being but a subset. Are you interested in helping me draft that page to submit for approval later on? I'm already getting ideas as to its design.

Okay I understand. I started off similar, by just editing and watching articles grow, then read somewhere about not contributing if you mind your contributions getting edited mercilessly by someone else. This got me wondering how to go from there a bit like you describe above. One of the reasons for 'declining' ratings is actually wholesale upscaling of the classes as wikipedia adopted inline referencing a couple of years ago. You can look in the history and compare an old version of those articles and see. Although pages list alot of editors, often only a handful are active. Luckily for me there have been a few folks interested in what I write about. Right now I generally concentrate editing on getting results - that is, editing to get to a stable point. My suggestions are (a) list Pleione (star) at Wikipedia:Good article nominations - have a look at the Wikipedia:Good article criteria and see if you feel it qualifies. Here you will get automatic feedback. Once it passes there, then have a look at WP:FAC. You will quickly find a group of interested editors helping out. This is a much better directed way of finding interested editors. I'll post a note at the astronomy wikiproject. I'd leave Help:Contents/Getting Plugged In until you get a feel for the best way of finding interested editors. Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:56, 2 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your time and focused feedback. "Finding interested editors"... Hmmm! That was the missing distinction! I will follow your suggestions and see where it leads. Also, thanks for your contributions in the Pleione (star) article. Sadalsuud (talk) 12:19, 3 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You could ask User:RJHall and User:Spacepotato directly. These are two editors who are specifically interested in star articles. Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:10, 3 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks again. I'll do that. Can you also say something more regarding the "wholesale upscaling of the classes" reducing the overall quality of Wikipedia? If I understand you correctly, it looks like my idea for a "collaboration" would have headed in this direction, and would have therefore been counterproductive. When I look at the Astronomy ratings section what I see are 19,238 stub articles and 3,040 start articles, the sum of which comes to roughly 97% of all the Astronomy articles written. I'm vaguely aware of the fact that Wikipedia is very interested in editors creating more quality content. What's the strategy to achieve that objective? Sadalsuud (talk) 12:19, 3 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Did you know - expand an article fivefold in five days and get it on the front page..is one way.Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:26, 3 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's amazing how much you don't know when you start asking questions, right? I'll take some time to read the DYK article. What I see, however with your discerning comments is that a focused and interested contributor can get "plugged in" pretty quick. This dialogue has been very useful. Let's see what happens next?

Betelgeuse FA?

I noticed that you have Betelgeuse "on the radar". I’d be interested in taking the article to "FA status" with you. In reviewing it briefly, I notice that nomenclature is an issue. In fact, pursuant to your feedback on Talk:Pleione (star), I realized that nomenclature is an issue in the design of all star articles. So I decided to invest the time to fully research it. If you have a moment, I’d be interested in your reaction to the ideas put forth. And let me know when you’re ready to start with Betelgeuse. I’m ready when you are. Sadalsuud (talk) 13:23, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Cool. I will tidy up a few things first and let you know when ready. Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:06, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'm pretty psyched to work with you on this. So I already decided to do some cleanup. The Starbox really needed some work. So that's now all up to date with refs included. Also I created a personal sandbox and imported the latest version to completely redesign the article's structure. There is not one single word changed in the article itself — just moved a few blocks of text, added headings and sub-headings, and repositioned some pics. I think it works better. If you have a chance, take a look at the redesign and let me know if you think it works. You can find it at User:Sadalsuud/Sandbox.
Sorry to jump the gun on you. I won't do anything more on this until I hear from you. Sadalsuud (talk) 05:47, 10 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Looks cool. I have the Richard Hinkley Allen book and the Kuntzisch book to get the etymology right - I also have a longer oxford dictionary (with magnifying glass). Will pull out books and go from there in the next 24-48 hours. Feel free to tweak and/or add any bits of text you can. Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:51, 10 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Great! I'll update a few things, copy it over and post a short note on the talk page. I'm not sure about the sub-headings for Observational History, but that section was so big, it needed some structure to it. We can modify the sub-headings as we go along. Sadalsuud (talk) 07:09, 10 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I had a few minutes spare now so was doing a bit of copyediting to make the lead a bit more snappy. I will look at all the etymology stuff tonight. Casliber (talk · contribs) 07:12, 10 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds great! I'm going to call it a night. Tomorrow, I'll look at expanding the Visibility section. I just cut and pasted the last two paragraphs from the former "Characteristics" section. It needs to be massaged a bit. Sadalsuud (talk) 07:49, 10 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've copied the existing "Visibility" and "Properties" sections to User:Sadalsuud/Sandbox and will focus on just that for the next 48 hours with the idea of transporting a coherent block of text back Betelgeuse in the next few days. Right now I'm doing a lot of reading. There's a lot of information on this star. So I'd like to give myself a couple of days to pull all the elements together. That way, I hope to have both these sections flow properly. Before I do this "block transport", I'll let you know, so you can offer any suggestions.Sadalsuud (talk) 13:11, 11 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
That's good. I am focussing on the etymology stuff at the moment. Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:21, 11 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've managed to come up with two new sections that are ready for transport to the main article. You can review them here: at the "New Visibility Section". I put them in context, so you can see what the article looks like. As I indicated a few days ago, I won't make the transfer until you've had a chance to review first. Let me know what you think.

My main concern is the ESA copyrighted information at the bottom of the Visibility section. Let me know if that is handled appropriately. There is still much more work to do. I have quite a few more sections planned, but decided to at least get these two ready for prime time. If you think they work, I can copy them over later today. I await your thoughts.Sadalsuud (talk) 19:41, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Looks great - I was just thinking something along these lines about how to find it and our theories on how far it is have evolved over the years. Stick it in and we can continue copyeidting from there. I am not sure which bit is copyrighted - can you highlight? Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:36, 15 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It's the very last paragraph in the The enigma sub-section — right under the VLA satellite dish picture. I introduce the copyrighted info with these words: "According to the information provided on ESA's website...." Just click HERE! and you'll see it there in bold as well. What follows is almost verbatim (with a few tweeks), then as you'll notice there's the ref #36 which, if you click on it, takes you to the Reference section where you can click on the web-link called "Gaia overview", which of course takes you directly to the ESA source material.
If you scroll down a bit on this ESA page, right under the section heading "What's special?", you'll see where I got my information. Now here is where the copyright concern comes in. Scroll down all the way to the very bottom. See the black line? It says "Copyright 2000 - 2010 © European Space Agency. All rights reserved." So I don't know what that means in terms of this Wikipedia article. If I tell the reader in the body of the article that this information came from their website, then provide a reference, and then a link right to the information, is Wikipedia covered insofar as copyright concerns?
I thought about simply paraphrasing the essence of the ESA information, that way avoiding any copyright infringement. But frankly, it was so well written and informative that I thought it would be a more honorable gesture to copy it verbatim and provide the reference.
What do you think? Should I rewrite this section "in my own words"?
Just so you have a little context, what I love about this sub-section "The enigma" is I noticed with every single article I read on the internet all these conflicting quotes on Betelgeuse. My first reaction was "That's bizarre! Everybody's got a different story to tell" It was at that point that I really saw an opportunity to do a great job and explain why all the information on Betelgeuse is so conflicted. The essence is that we still haven't quite figured out how far Betelgeuse is. So this section from ESA is a perfect conclusion to the section. The Enigma section starts with the distance estimate of 56 parsecs in 1920, does a fair job of explaining what has happened in the interim and then concludes with "What's next". So that's why I definitely want the ESA information in there. It pulls all the pieces together for the reader.
In any event, I'm glad you liked it. I'm pretty happy with it myself, although it would be great if we can get an astronomer like RJHall to make sure everything works. As I see it, I'm a pretty good "guinea pig" for this sort of thing, as I try to understand the subject form the layman's perspective. Having an astronomer looking over my shoulder wouldn't hurt.
One last thing. I got your note... All systems go... I'll be cutting and pasting into the main article shortly. As each new section matures, I'll let you know. Sadalsuud (talk) 03:43, 15 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. I too love actually spelling out who says what and why rather than just presenting facts as facts. There are similar issues in taxonomy, botany etc. and very often the answer is just not so clear cut. I will look at the copyrighted material in a minute. Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:57, 15 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

New Visibility sub-section

Hi Calisber. I've got a new section for you to look at. To be honest it's not quite finished. But given my commitment to have something ready within a day or two, I've produced a "condensed" version for prime time. There are two more additional paragraphs that I am still working on. I will try to include them soon.

Like last time, I have imported the most recent version of Betelgeuse into my User page so you can see the new section in context. It can be found by clicking: HERE!. That will take you to a new Visibility sub-section which I've entitled "Rhytmic dance" — an effective metaphor, I think, for the star's oscillating character. Consistent with comments made a few weeks ago at Talk:Pleione (star), I'm using standardized terminology for "major headings" and descriptive terminology for "sub-headings". I think it works. Let me know your thoughts.

If you wish to see the other sub-sections I'm working on, you can click: Here!. You will notice an extensive Contents Box and think I've possibly gone mad! No need for alarm however. I just found that I needed to bring some organization to the drafting of these sections, so I'm using the Contents Box as a kind of outline tool. That way, when I read an article, I have an idea where the new information fits, I can cut and paste for future editing, and then come back to it later. I hope you find this Contents Box helpful in understanding how I'm trying to tackle this project. If you have any idea as to how it can be improved, let me know.

The two additional paragraphs I'm working on for Rhythmic Dance you will find by clicking on the Rhythmic dance sub-section. I gave them an olive colored font, so they stand out.

The scope of this project has turned out to be far more than I ever imagined. There is so much information to absorb — kind of like putting together a giant jig-saw puzzle with 10,000 pieces. What I'm finding is you can't just work on one section at a time, as every piece is interconnected, and you need to have a sense as to where all the pieces fit. In any event, you'll see how each section is coming along. Some sections are more advanced than others.

I'm enjoying the challenge of it. I believe the goal of completing the different sub-sections by mid-August is still achievable. Let me know if you think the condensed version is ready to be transported over to the main article. Sadalsuud (talk) 03:55, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting - so the version you want to import is the condensed one above the olive text? Looks good - I find it easier to work with when I see it in the article, so bring it in. I think the olive bit is worth bringing in sooner rather than later and working from there. The prose can probably be tightened a bit - that will be easier to acheive once read as a whole. My approach is generally get all the content in first, then do the copyedit. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:13, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I just imported it and refined it further. Click HERE! for the latest. I actually included 4 out of the 6 paragraphs that I'm contemplating. The extra 2 paragraphs I will add in the next week or so as I gather more information. This first import holds together pretty well by itself, I think, and may not need the extra paragraphs. The extra information will simply discuss additional variability issues like periodicity. It's always a judgement call as to what constitutes "too much information". We'll see. What makes Betelgeuse so challenging is there is a lot of conflicting information out there — just like all the conflicting information I saw regarding distance. My intent is to at least cover the different findings and put them into perspective. Sadalsuud (talk) 11:50, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Importing chunks 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 & 8

Hi Calisber. When you have a chance, I've got a few new "chunks" for you to look at. Click HERE to see comments.--Sadalsuud (talk) 06:08, 12 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Angular diameter/distance... whatever?

Hi Calisber. In notice you've been busy the last few days. When you have a moment and have been able to review the "chunks" enumerated above, your thoughts on what to do here would be really helpful. Click HERE to see comments. Thanks again.--Sadalsuud (talk) 12:04, 13 August 2010 (UTC) --Sadalsuud (talk) 15:21, 16 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Observations on Import #3

I finally got most of those "chucks" cleaned up over the weekend and, pursuant to your suggestions imported them into the main article. Also, I've posted some observations related thereto for your insight and comment. When you have a moment, click HERE to see comments. To see recent changes, simply go to the Betelgeuse article. I look forward to your thoughts and any ideas you have for GA review submission.--Sadalsuud (talk) 15:21, 16 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Reconsidering strategy

Hi Casliber. When you have a chance, I've posted some recent thoughts on the future direction of the Betelgeuse article, and would value your insights. Click HERE to see comments.----Sadalsuud (talk) 00:33, 19 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

System launch + GAN?

Hi Casliber. The "Star system" section is close to complete. Just needs a few refs and xrefs, I think. Click HERE to review and post any comments or concerns. Thanks again for your focused attention. --Sadalsuud (talk) 12:15, 20 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Just completed the import if you'd like to make any changes. Click HERE to view.--Sadalsuud (talk) 17:08, 20 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Angular rework

I've reworked the Angular anomalies section to create a more balanced argument. When you have a chance, please review HERE and let me know your thoughts.--Sadalsuud (talk) 15:20, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I think it is more sequential and hence clearer. I'd go with the rewrite. Casliber (talk · contribs) 09:23, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Steps toward FA

I've gone ahead and included the revised "Angular anomalies" sub-section with a few additional improvements. When you have a chance, your insights on a few other issues would be helpful. You can find them HERE.--24.203.198.172 (talk) 17:49, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright?

Hi Casliber. Your suggestion to post a question at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Astronomy produced a very useful result but also triggered a copyright violation requiring some attention. Your insights as always would be valuable. You can see my comments by clicking HERE.----Sadalsuud (talk) 17:19, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Circumstellar Dynamics Done

Hi Casliber. I think this section is finally done. Though it's a bit of a rush job, I think it will stand up. Click HERE to see comments and get to the latest version in the sandbox. Thanks again for your on-going support of this project. I'm pooped! Fortunately, we're almost there.--Sadalsuud (talk) 12:22, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Concerns at the crossroads

Getting close to the finish line. There are a couple of concerns, however. When you have a moment, can you review comments HERE? Thanks again.--Sadalsuud (talk) 14:12, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Pleione GA

Hi Casliber. Just a short note to say that I've had to divert my attention to the Pleione article, as you probably guessed. I noticed your contributions, and in fact, provided some xrefs, which I believe are accurate. I hope to have all the GA improvements done by Saturday. If you have a chance to give it a quick lookover in a few days, that would be great. This weekend, I'll try to get the "Organizational history" section up to standard, get your thoughts, and then propose the article for GA review.--Sadalsuud (talk) 15:35, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I'm done for now with Pleione (star), at least until Modest Genius has a chance to review the latest revisions. Hopefully, it will pass the grade. If you'd like to take a last look, that would be great.--Sadalsuud (talk) 08:46, 22 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Don't know if you noticed, but we got GA status on Pleione. Now I can come back to the Betelgeuse article in earnest. There's only a few minor edits needed after which I'll finally submit the article for GA review. The only missing element is a discussion of stellar mass. When mass was originally addressed back in July, I simply referenced Jim Kaler, though now I recognize the conversation to be more complex. Once addressed in earnest, it will clear up any confusion from the Fate section which quotes a different metric. Bottom line? Hope to get all this done in a few days and submit. Any last thoughts?--Sadalsuud (talk) 05:21, 9 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I have been pretty busy IRL lately. I am more than happy to let you take the dirver's seat WRT mass as you have a handle on all the mass calculations - will try to follow with copyediting ideas and/or observations and boring format fixes. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:29, 9 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Understood. With the summer now behind us in Canada, I too have become very busy with work and other stuff. We'll at least get this to GA soon and then we can plan from there. Thanks.--Sadalsuud (talk) 05:46, 9 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Organizational history upgrade

I've now turned my attention back to Betelgeuse and decided to post a new section on the talk page Major surgery on Observational history section?. Given that this section was the focus of early contributions, I have intentionally avoided editing "other people's work", focusing as you know on adding new sections. But as I point out, the job needs to be done for various reasons and I thought it would be useful to put everyone on notice and invite comments. The last thing I want to do is create an edit war. Any thoughts?--Sadalsuud (talk) 08:46, 22 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I've gotten started. Check out Herschel's discovery section for recent edits. As I point out on the Talk page, I'm trying to keep most of the early contributions while giving the whole section a "historical" focus. I think it works. Your insights however would be useful.--Sadalsuud (talk) 10:04, 22 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Finally nominated for GA

Hi Casliber. Just a short note to let you know that Betelgeuse has finally been nominated for GA review. Updated observations HERE! Thanks again for your on-going participation in this process.--Sadalsuud (talk) 19:54, 16 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

GA corrections complete?

I noticed you were able to make a few corrections pursuant to the GA Review. The review was clearly quite favorable. I made a few other changes and responded. Let me know if you see anything missing. You can see my comments Here!. Thanks again. We're finally getting there.--Sadalsuud (talk) 03:17, 18 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sasata Review

Noticed that Puerto Rican Amazon is Todays Featured Article. Congrats! Getting Sasata to participate in taking Betelgeuse to FA was a real coup. Thanks. Nothing like detailed insights.--Sadalsuud (talk) 04:41, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Butterfly IDs

I just wrote Niagara Parks Butterfly Conservatory (been approved for DYK) and have ID'd 20 photos of their butterflies [6], but still need to ID 12 more: [7]. Can you or someone you know help ID those 12? Some pics have more than one butterfly. Thanks.RlevseTalk 23:02, 27 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oh god. Um...have they a website to double check....they could come from anywhere which makes it tricky...I'll take a look later. NB:There is a lepidoptera wikiproject that is semi-active. Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:47, 27 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Hope you can help. Posted on that project's talk page. RlevseTalk 00:41, 28 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

CK

Have you been watching Louie. Very dark, highly recommended. Ceoil (talk) 12:35, 31 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Not seen it here. Looks good...Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:38, 31 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Am, who watches TV on TV anymore[8]. Grandad. Ceoil (talk) 14:36, 31 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I am buying a new desktop soon. I have one with a noisy fan which sounds like watching TV on a (noisy) aeroplane :( Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:00, 31 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]


I'd like to put this up for GAN, but even after my additions and changes it still feels like you wrote most of it :) Perhaps you could indulge me, give it a good going over, and put it up as a co-nom at your convenience? Sasata (talk) 15:40, 19 September 2010 (UTC) (P.S. I dropped a note at the chemicals project to hopefully have some other qualified eyes take a look. Sasata (talk) 16:11, 19 September 2010 (UTC))[reply]

Sure. I'll take a look today, and, yes, I'll keep my fingers crossed for a chemist :). Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:46, 19 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Tas Devil

The last specimen might die at FARC? YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 02:23, 20 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

So do I just jump right in?

Hi! I've looked at WP:GA and the review process for such articles. I was wondering, should I just jump in and start reviewing articles to see if they meet criteria? Should I contact someone and get more information before I do so? The reason I ask is that this will be my first time contributing to the GA process, so I'm not sure if I'll be doing things right. Of course, I'll read all the directions, but I'd just like to see if there are any customs/procedures there. I've noticed there there is a considerable list of articles waiting to be reviewed, so I'd like to help in cutting down that list. I've had experience in more administrative-like tasks, but nothing close to GA. So, should I jump right in and start reviewing or is there some "training" thing? Thanks. Netalarmtalk 03:59, 20 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, yeah why not? Have a look at: Wikipedia:Good article criteria and think to yourself, "is there anything missing here? Anything I wanna know which I can't see written about?" There is no mad rush to wrap them up pronto, so opening up a review and noting some issues is a great start. Some things will be simple as they follow a standard format - hence many biographies, biological articles and geography have within each of them a set of things you'd hope to read about. If complicated and you can't follow becaise of too-technical language or jargon, then ask if it can be explained more clearly without losing meaning. Why not choose one or two and then ping me. Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:13, 20 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, I'll get started as soon as I can. I was just not sure if it'll look weird if I just start reviewing there when I've done nothing there before. Kinda like helping new users when someone is new themselves I guess. Anyway, thanks for the information and I'll start when I can. Netalarmtalk 04:19, 20 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Gracias dude!

Thanks Cas! It was one of my recent goals to get Huia to FA so to help have done it feels great and that's really nice of you to give me a barnstar, it's my first and the bio barnstar version looks so cool too, heh - it was a team effort of course, as most wikipedia articles getting promoted to FA are, so props to you for all you did to help get it to FA (I doubt this could have been done without you..) Real life for me is undergoing some major (positive) developments so I will be away from wikipedia for some time. But I intend to return one day next year with the clear goal of boosting more NZ bird articles from start/B class to FA.. Great to see Australian Magpie on the mainpage today btw :) Cheers, Kotare (talk) 04:40, 20 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah cool ;) Take care of RL stuff, have a good time and I'll be happy to do some article-buffing with you when you resurface :) cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:54, 20 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Congratulations!!--NYMFan69-86 (talk) 15:38, 20 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Heh, thanks! Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:14, 20 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
You're welcome.  :-) NYMFan69-86 (talk) 22:45, 20 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, congratulations. I read an article in a bike magazine from these parts a few months ago mentioning the article, in fact. The author added cable ties to his bike helmet as an alternative to a mohawk, after reading the bit about how it deters the birds, of course sarcastically saying that it was on Wikipedia, so of course it is most believable. Indeed! —innotata 23:20, 20 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hah, nice to see we've done just that little bit to make the world a better place where Man and Magpie can live in peace.... :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:55, 24 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
In these parts, magpies are smaller and less common. But ja, we probably have done a little bit to help peace between Magpie and Man; in the case I read of it was more peace between Parent and Child, over a matter of fashion. —innotata 21:58, 25 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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DYK for Purple-crowned Fairywren

RlevseTalk 00:03, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Orange-crowned Fairywren

RlevseTalk 00:03, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for White-shouldered Fairywren

RlevseTalk 00:04, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Lovely Fairywren

RlevseTalk 00:04, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ban Reverts

Hey, Casliber! Don't get me wrong on the deletion of good edits; I've dug up socks of a banned user or two, and I didn't go through each and every edit of those socks and delete every single one. I thought about it for a minute, but many were good edits - why would anyone revert corrected typos? To "dumb down" the articles? It is allowed to be done to banned editor's actions, is the point. If the substance of the edits are good, another editor (uninvolved with the banned editor, of course) can always add them. It's a dangerous game sometimes, though, as the focus is shifting at the AN/I as I type this. Just wanted to clarify that I'm not a draconian monster bent on salting the wiki of any and all edits by banned users: it's not even feasible, really. Cheers :> Doc9871 (talk) 03:45, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, difficult area I know. I am just trying to juggle the two issues. Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:25, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
You mean between the good biological content removed and the reverting of the edits because it was from a banned user? This brings up a very interesting issue, indeed. I would think that if the consensus was that certain edits removed had truly been improving the encyclopedia (of course: properly sourced, not original research, etc.) that they should be restored by an impartial and neutral editor. Someone with no provable link to the banned editor, where it could be a proxy issue. Are these the issues you're juggling? Doc9871 (talk) 04:37, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yep. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:32, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oz

Hi Cas: I'm headed your way in a few days for a tour round the southern half of the continent. Anything in particular you'd like me to try to get recordings of while I'm out there? MeegsC | Talk 14:20, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Gosh, umm...we never got a recording for the Australian Magpie, Grey Butcherbird or Pied Butcherbird, Grey Currawong..ermmm Grey Shrikethrush - geez anything would be good I think :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:27, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Thank you very much

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Possible DYK

Can you see an appropriate hook on Noosa National Park? I was thinking most visitor numbers in Australia claim but was not sure a CEO of a tourist organisation was a reliable source. I phoned him and he said it was sourced from the Queensland Department of Environment and Resource Management website although it is not returning anything with Google to confirm this. The other hook was most traversed trail in Australia sourced to a Courier-Mail article. I hope you have the time to tend to this if you think it is suitable for a Queensland DYK.- Shiftchange (talk) 23:55, 23 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Two things

  1. Resolve Kunzea sp. Wadbilliga at T:TDYK
  2. Archive a big chunk of this talk page ;-)
RlevseTalk 01:44, 24 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Crap, I knew there was something else I meant to do last night....Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:51, 24 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Please finish or it'll have to regrettably be declined, though arching 80% of this talk page may earn you an extra day ;-) RlevseTalk 19:22, 24 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Stupid Kunzea - looked through my books. Unbelievable that not one makes the connection they are the same (even though they are) - have to lose it. Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:17, 24 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, is there anything I can do to get the Kunzea on DYK? I'm an un-educated mountain climber, bushwalker and not an academic or intellectual. But it was wonderful to climb Big Badja mountain. And always good fun to write these articles, Kunzea sp. Wadbilliga Poyt448 (talk) 04:28, 25 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The insane thing is I cannot find one reference which states that badja carpet is a form of Kunzea sp Wadbilliga....if you have one, great! If not, then I guess we just rustle up some more :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:54, 25 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Myoporum acuminatum

RlevseTalk 12:03, 24 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Howdy, you did another superb job with Myoporum acuminatum. Congratulations. By the way, the wildflowers now are some of the best I've ever seen, this is a good season. There's so many articles to be written. I can't believe that there was no Wiki article on Eriostemon australasius, one of the finest of all the Australian wildflowers. My area of interest is the rainforest trees of the Illawarra. They say to be interested in wildflowers you need to have one foot in the grave, and not to have had sex in 20 years. But, the heathland wild flowers are worth seeing now, if you get the chance. regards, Poyt448 (talk) 03:50, 25 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

peer review for Tracheal intubation

Hello Casliber. First, congratulations on the FA for Australian Magpie. This is an excellent article on a very interesting bird. I look forward to seeing this beautiful creature again in a couple of months when I return to Australia. I can see you have a million things going on at this time, but I would really appreciate your comments at the peer review for the Tracheal intubation article, if you can possibly find some spare time. Best wishes, DiverDave (talk) 23:45, 24 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, will see what I can do. If you are in Sydney, you could always drop by for a beer :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:15, 25 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Xerochrysum bracteatum

The DYK project (nominate) 18:02, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Tune

[9]. You been neglecting me lately wrt links. What nothing from the Churchs archives you are not compleded to share? I'm all abot the triffids at the moment.[10]. Which is grand. Ceoil (talk) 22:57, 26 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

(nods head from side to side in languid fashion indicating strong ambivalence) ...yee..eah, Trifids was one of those bands that had alot of 'cred' i.e. at uni they commanded a deal of respect and praise from People With Taste - I didn't mind them but was not crazy 'bout them........I was just musing on digging up some fun tunes while driving around. Now I am sitting in front of the keyboard I can't remember which ones I was thinking that I hadn't posted before. gimme some time an' I'll come up with some fun stuff - I did tell you my Ireland moment didn't I, we drove SW from Enniskillen into the south on a nice sunny spring day and as on cue when crossing the boarde the radio plays 'Linger' by the cranberries. I recall thinking, "Corny I know, but still rather nice on a nother level, esp. with volume up." Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:38, 26 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
ah yeah, linger is a great song by any standards, even if it could be seen as corny in retrospective. I'm not sure how cool triffids were in the late 80s and I dont really care, but likely they were not as cool as this bunch of irish fiends[11]. Ceoil (talk) 01:09, 27 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I think my wife liked/likes them...she won't read this though as she hates WP :).Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:10, 27 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
You THINK she likes them? You spend too much time on wiki, spend more time with her! (yea yea, I should talk), but before you do that, archive the bulk of this talk page ;-) RlevseTalk 01:20, 27 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Your wife sounds like a smart woman, Cas... Fvasconcellos (t·c) 01:21, 27 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Any chance you might have easy online access to this: Rees, B.J., Taeker, F., & Coveny, R.G. (2005). Myriostoma coliforme in Australia. Australasian Mycologist 24: 25–28? I'm working on the species article behind the scenes. No biggie if you don't. Sasata (talk) 07:21, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Huh! Nevermind, it's online! Sasata (talk) 15:53, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

WikiCup 2010 September newsletter

We are half-way through our final round, entering the home straight. New Orleans TonyTheTiger (submissions) leads at the time of writing with 1180 points, immediately followed by Hungary Sasata (submissions) with 1175 points. Colorado Sturmvogel_66 (submissions) closely follows in third place with 1100 points. For those who are interested, data about the finalists has been compiled at Wikipedia:WikiCup/History/2010/finalists, while a list of content submitted by all WikiCup contestants prior to this round has been compiled at Wikipedia:WikiCup/History/2010/Submissions. As ever, anything contestants worry may not receive the necessary attention before the end of the round (such as outstanding GA or FA nominations) is welcome at Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews, and please remember to continue offering reviews yourself where possible. As always, the judges are available to contact via email, IRC or their talk pages, and general discussion about the Cup is welcome on the WikiCup talk page.

Despite controversy, the WikiCup remains open. Signups for next year's competition are more than welcome, and suggestions for how next year's competition will work are appreciated at Wikipedia talk:WikiCup/Scoring. More general comments and discussions should be directed at the WikiCup talk page. One month remains in the 2010 WikiCup, after which we will know our champion. Good luck everyone! If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn, Fox and The ed17 23:01, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

DYK nomination of Chamelaucium, Eriostemon australasius

Hello! Your submission of Chamelaucium, Eriostemon australasius at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 00:18, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

September 2010 Backlog Elimination Drive Conclusion

GOCE September 2010 backlog elimination drive progress graphs

Greetings from the Guild of Copy Editors September 2010 Backlog Elimination Drive. Thanks to all who participated! Several of our top editors were called away to real life concerns during the month (be careful out there, people!). This meant that once again, we did not meet all our lofty targets, but we did come close.

Stats

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  • We nearly wiped out the 2008 articles from the backlog—there were only 13 remaining when the drive closed.
  • We reduced the backlog by 725 articles (11.5%), so it was another successful drive.
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GOCE Barnstar

The Modest Barnstar
This barnstar is awarded to Casliber for contributions during the September 2010 copy edit drive. Thank you! Diannaa (Talk) 17:43, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Chamelaucium

The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Eriostemon australasius

The DYK project (nominate) 00:04, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for looking at this fabulous wildflower. And you did yet another terrific job. Lately I'm trying to find local orchids. With my $85 camera I've taken photos of Caleana major. These have proven of interest to a variety of people, and have generated plenty of comment. The stub is already getting a good number of hits. Flying Duck might make a future DYK, as people seem to love the sight of these quirky orchids. I don't have enough info to make a full article on it. But I thought of this for a DYK hook, "did you know that the flying duck orchid is an orchid that looks like a flying duck"! Hmmm, that's far too flippant for all you serious guys on Wikipedia. cheers Poyt448 (talk) 03:08, 9 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Interesting...let's see what we can do. The articles don't have to be that big for DYK. My free time is a little erratic at for the next few weeks though. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:20, 9 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Cas,

I'm making plans for another climb of Mount Imlay in the next week or two. This time I have someone who wants to be with me. The problem with him, is that he has a 170 IQ and he makes me feel very silly in comparison. Plants to be searched for include Eucalyptus imlayensis, Nestegis ligustrina and Boronia imlayensis and the others in the rainforest gully.

If we find Eucalyptus imlayensis then we might descend into the southern rainforest if there's enough time. If not, I'll climb the mountain the next day.

Last year the top mountain ridge was covered in flowers of the Imlay Boronia. The rainforest gully is of interest, with only a few species of plants. see link: http://www.flickr.com/photos/17674930@N07/4143388670/

The Black Olive Berry is dominant, thick and abundant, 25 metres tall.

The unlikely or specious accounts of the occurrence at Mount Imlay of Pittosporum bicolor, Atherosperma moschatum and Nothofagus cunninghamii don't really need another investigation. (But, it's such a great place I want to return and have another look). Last year I saw plenty of the native privet, but I didn't photograph them (being in self preservation mode).

If you are free, you are most welcome to climb the great southern mountain with us. The top narrow ridge is likely to be covered in flowers of Boronia imlayensis. Last November, it was a majestic sight. (see my photo) http://plantnet.rbgsyd.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/NSWfl.pl?page=nswfl&photo=27&file=56/548/Boronia%20imlayensis%201.jpg

The Imlay Mallee is critically endangered by extinction. I'd hate to hurt it or damage it if I find it. The scientists have given up on it, considered a corpse, extinct, a dead or nearly dead thing. They reckon no-one can save it.

kind wishes Peter Poyt448 (talk) 03:40, 17 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

G'day Peter - sadly I can't come this time :( - I'd not worry about travelling with someone like that - sounds like someone one can learn from, IQs are pretty abstract concepts in some ways anyway. My October is looking dreary with several compulsory chores coming up to keep me too busy....Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:23, 17 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hello hello,

Since you are not interested in Caleana major, I decided to have a Did You Know moment myself. Please review this article, and make suggestions that might improve it, and make it suitable for the front page of Wikipedia.

You have had plenty of experience with DYK, and know what to do.

I was at the Sydney Opera House on Thursday, saw so many Psilotum nudum at the opera house forecourt, and had many great memories of the girls and music at the Sydney Opera House. (I attended the first ever symphony concert there in 1973).

The plans to climb Imlay and Royal are delayed. Too many problems dealing with people.

Please edit, criticise the Duck Orchid article, and help us get this glorious orchid on the front page of Wiki. If you can't help, I'll try that Rlevse person.

cheers, Pete Poyt448 (talk) 06:28, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi,

All trips to Mount Royal, Mount Keira and Mount Imlay are postponed because of the weather. (What a relief), I'm too scared.

Thanks for your edits of the Flying Duck orchid, which has been OK'd for Did You Know.

I'm pleased that my first ever attempt at growing eucalyptus from seeds was a success. A local species (not found south of the Harbour Bridge), Eucalyptus acmenoides. Before being interested in rainforests, my first botanical love was the eucalyptus.

kind wishes Poyt448 (talk) 08:08, 6 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Terrific work on those orchid articles lately, thanks again. You make them so much better. A botanist from the National Herbarium with the initials A.O. said he will walk the same track to see the Cryptostylis hunteriana recently photographed. (I gave him fairly good instructions on where to find it). Orchids are a mystery to me, I know nothing of them. Yesterday I saw another little terrestrial orchid. And have no friggin idea what it is. Some sort of maroon hooded orchid with a striped yellow tongue. So, hopefully the orchid people on Flickr can assist with identification. If so, I'll make a stub on Wiki. Have fun, keep up the great work. Poyt448 (talk) 06:09, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Working on D&D articles

Hey there.  :) First of all, just want to let you know that we have a D&D TFA coming up for the 6th!

Just pointing you to this discussion; we're looking to get more articles improved, preferrably to GA or better. I know you have come through with sources before, so take a look and see if there's anything you can add. BOZ (talk) 17:34, 5 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Got a few reviews in there, including Queen of the Demonweb Pits, which I think you indicated you were interested in. :) BOZ (talk) 22:36, 19 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Have you followed up on my progress? :) I've done quite a lot in the past month or so! BOZ (talk) 17:12, 14 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Juwan Howard/archive2

As a reviewer at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Tim Duncan, I thought you might consider commenting at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Juwan Howard/archive2.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:53, 6 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing to do with the Australian form of rooting, I'm afraid. It's just a neglected AFD which has started to attract disruptive editors since I took an interest. As an admin who specialises in plants, you may wish to investigate. Colonel Warden (talk) 12:36, 6 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'll take a look. Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:04, 6 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Cambridge

[12] Will you also be gone by October 20 (when I return to Boston from Europe)? Cool Hand Luke 21:33, 6 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oh. Oh. Oh. I guess the Cambridge meetup showed up on my account due to geolocation, and I erroneously assumed that it was the New England Cambridge I might have conceivably signed up for. Nevermind! Ignore my Americanism. Cool Hand Luke 21:37, 6 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Ha curse those old English geography names which just turn up all over...hehehe see you tomorrow :) 21:43, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Tas Devil

Probably I'll get ignored again, but.... YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 06:46, 7 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'll email you. Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:23, 7 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Many inprovements have been made to the article since you last reviewed it. We could use your input at the FAC discussion. — GabeMc (talk) 23:22, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

We would like your help concluding the FAC for Roger Waters. — GabeMc (talk) 03:23, 19 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Everything Tastes Better with Bacon - peer review

Hiya, you specified an interest in articles about food at the volunteers list for peer reviewing - I was wondering if you might mind having a look at Wikipedia:Peer review/Everything Tastes Better with Bacon/archive1? Thank you for your time, -- Cirt (talk) 10:26, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much for your peer review comments so far! ;) I have responded to all of them, and for the last point you raised, I moved some stuff in the article around so far, just wanted clarification on whether your recommendation should subsequently exist as a final paragraph in the Reception sect, or as a new sect, titled Impact or something similar. Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 20:56, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Update: I responded further to your comments, see recent article history [13]. Any other comments for the peer review regarding how to further improve the quality of the article? -- Cirt (talk) 08:08, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Pedro II of Brazil

Hi, Casliber. It has been a couple of days since your last message in Pedro II of Brazil FAC. Will you continue your review? P.S.: Answer me back in my talkpage, please. Regards, --Lecen (talk) 01:47, 18 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The article Puerto Rican Amazon is schedule to appear as the main page featured article in the near future

Hello! This is a note to let the main editors of this article know that it will be appearing as the main page featured article on October 22, 2010. You can view the TFA blurb at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/October 22, 2010. If you think that it is necessary to change the main date, you can request it with the featured article director, Raul654 (talk · contribs). If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page so Wikipedia doesn't look bad. :D Thanks! TbhotchTalk C. 19:28, 18 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

GOCE copy edit drive

Greetings from the Guild of Copy Editors Backlog Elimination Drive!

The Wikipedia Guild of Copy-Editors invites you to participate in the November 2010 Backlog Elimination Drive, a month-long effort to reduce the backlog of articles that require copy-editing. The drive will begin on 1 November at 00:00 (UTC) and will end on 30 November at 23:59 (UTC). The goal for this drive is to reduce the backlog by 10% (approximately 500 articles). We hope to focus our efforts on the oldest three months (January, February, and March 2009) and the newest three months (September, October, and November 2010) of articles in the queue.

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Mauna Kea

The nom for Mauna Kea has been restarted. Just an FYI. Hopefully this round will stick. ResMar 01:54, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you

Casliber, thanks very much, for your helpful comments at peer review Wikipedia:Peer review/Everything Tastes Better with Bacon/archive1. Much appreciated. I was thinking of next putting up for peer review another GA I worked on within the same subject - Bacon: A Love Story. Would you be able to contribute to a peer review of that one, as well? ;) -- Cirt (talk) 10:32, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Aargh. I need to log off and do some RL boring stuff for a while. Maybe later on. Good topic though....Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:34, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Peer review at Wikipedia:Peer review/Bacon: A Love Story/archive1. -- Cirt (talk) 21:36, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Tasmanian devil

Nag for genetics and immunology and disease YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 03:59, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have physical access the papers, but the thing was understanding them, so handballing me copies of papers won't work :P YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 01:54, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Heads up about an RfC

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Regarding a banned user

You blocked Seldonquin back in August, and I believe that the user might be back as WrenandStimpy, but I would have to look at the other accounts to confirm or rule it out. Is there any case that I can read about Seldonquin's block? Nymf hideliho! 15:58, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nevermind, I am probably seeing things that aren't there. For now anyway. Nymf hideliho! 16:23, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Binge drinking

Hey Casliber, sorry to disturb you. I hope all is well with you. I saw your name listed as individuals who volunteer to peer review articles who can be contacted directly. I would appreciate it if you could peer review the binge drinking article. At some point I would like to get binge drinking up to a good article status. However some more work is needed to get there. Some background information; the article is quite biased, per WP:NPOV, against binge drinking, but I do not know how to resolve that as I and other editors could not find any sources which discussed recreational use of alcohol in favourable terms, certainly no medical sources. Some content may be a bit too technical and could perhaps be moved to other articles but would appreciate some outside eyes to review it before deciding what if any content needs deleted or moved to more focused articles. If you are too busy, not to worry. Thanks. :)--Literaturegeek | T@1k? 20:44, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sigh. Will see what I can do - might t ake a little while though. Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:53, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Casliber. :)--Literaturegeek | T@1k? 19:16, 6 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Back and gone again

Hey Cas, I've sent the same message to Firsfron but he seems to be out. Could you delete my old account at User:ArthurWeasley or tell me how to do it? I was contemplating coming back but then a few things went wrong so am off again...(no, I am not pissed, just amused). Cheers. NobuTamura (talk) 20:54, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Um. I am only an admin not a bureaucrat. Do you want me to delete the user page and talk page? I can do that, but I can't delete the user contribution history as such. I don't understand teh need for a new account...? Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:19, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Ha, I wouldn't have asked you if you were a bureaucrat! Yeah, just delete the user and talk page. Getting a bit tired of being associated with a Harry Potter character. Cheers. NobuTamura (talk) 02:45, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Would you not think about a user rename, to keep all the edits/watchpages etc. together? Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:50, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know how to rename but redirect, it turns out, works just fine for me. Sorry to have bothered you with my idiotic requests. Cheers. NobuTamura (talk) 14:11, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
No I can empathis. I really can, I was just sounding out some other options. I have loadsa RL stuff going on at the moment so am somewhat distracted myself...Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:16, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Don't worry, I know you are busy. Yeah, I've realized rename is a better option as with a new account I am very restricted on things I can do or edit, like being able make corrections to a protected page. If you can perform a rename, that would be fine but there is no hurry. Cheers! NobuTamura (talk) 20:44, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Consensus building

I know I'm not seen as the most co-operative Wikipedian. However, I'm beginning to wonder if there's any possibility of exploring common ground and seeing if there's any way to coalition behind some modest agreements. I've set out my thoughts at User:Scott MacDonald/Pragmatic BLP. I'm thinking to invite some thinking people who radically disagree with me, and see what's possible. Do you think this has any merit?--Scott Mac 10:29, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

yes. Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:35, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
And, in the spirit of compromise[14]--Scott Mac 10:34, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
okay, I think that is/was a good move. Now to the important stuff...Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:36, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Correction fact-checking

Could you take a few minutes to check whether this edit is me messing up? Circéus (talk) 07:52, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

nope, that's right. Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:05, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Y'know, it's things like that that have made me have not that much faith in the FAC process anymore. Circéus (talk) 19:34, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Don't sweat it. FA =/= perfect. I ask, "can my article be improved by the process" and the answer is almost invariably "yes". Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:44, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I just mean that almost nobody is willing to go at an article with a really fine toothed comb to spot problems. The one I noted could have been noticed by anybody paying minimum attention, but virtually nobody is willing to actually read through a taxonomy section (which is why I see some pretty bad issues with the one in Blue-faced Honeyeater), and even the more straightforward parts I'm sometime dubious about. Even less people actually double-check the referencing (I clash with Ucucha on a semi regular basis over her/his habit of off-handedly mentioning specific paper without giving their full reference, which nobody a GAN or FAC seems to be bothered about).
Sorry. That kinda got out of hands. I just feel that sometimes people don't really want to make the article is as good as it can be, and that it's enough if it looks like it is. Circéus (talk) 20:55, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
You're always welcome to complain point out any errors in mine and I will try to fix - what you see in that one. I'm often staring at them too long....Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:11, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I wouldn't where to start: The more I dig the more I spot stuff (admittedly it's because in zoology taxonomy tends to fall even more to the wayside when it comes to the higher animals, but it's still frustrating). For starters, I'm itching to break "Taxonomy and naming", which (in this article, at least, but it's a bit of a systemic problem) is a mashup of three different conceptuald aspect: the formal taxo-nomenclatural history, molecular phylogeny and subspecies, and names and etymology (it's easy to forget that in more detailed articles, one can and probably should split off well-developed subtopics in their own section). Another conceptual problem is that although formally the article also covers a genus taxon, there is virtually no discussion of it, to the point that the article even fails to state when the species was first placed in this genus! Circéus (talk) 21:29, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

See, as far as circumscription, I see all of those things (i.e. How we define, split and classify a species, both with common and scientific names) as linked, and the broad aegis of "taxonomy and naming" covers it very well. Generally, most articles are too small to split off into evolution, etymology etc. As far as comprehensiveness, you're right as I had forgotten about the monotypic genus...aha, now to add. Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:23, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Ferocactus latispinus

RlevseTalk 06:03, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Ferocactus latispinus

RlevseTalk 06:03, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If you have time, you may want to assist User_talk:Calsina. She's apparently his assistant, so she's replaced the mostly negative bio Nemeroff has here with some positive stuff. Now, it appears Nemeroff's bio is perhaps too slanted on the negative aspects. But she added only info without citations, and removed info with citations, so you can guess what happened next... Tijfo098 (talk) 18:12, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oh dear....I'll see what I can do. Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:42, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
File:WikiCup Medal Gold FX.png The WikiCup 2010 Award for Featured Articles
Awarded to Casliber, for outstanding content contributions during the 2010 WikiCup. J Milburn, Fox and The ed17 00:05, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Heh. thanks. - for both this one and the award below ... :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:31, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

WikiCup 2010 Bronze Award

WikiCup 2010
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WikiCup 2010 October newsletter

The 2010 WikiCup is over! It has been a long journey, but what has been achieved is impressive: combined, participants have produced over seventy featured articles, over five hundred good articles, over fifty featured lists, over one thousand one hundred "did you know" entries, in addition to various other pieces of recognised content. A full list (which has yet to be updated to reflect the scores in the final round) can be found here. Perhaps more importantly, we have our winner! The 2010 WikiCup champion is Colorado Sturmvogel_66 (submissions), with an unbelievable 4220 points in the final round. Second place goes to New Orleans TonyTheTiger (submissions), with 2260, and third to New South Wales Casliber (submissions), with 560. Congratulations to our other four finalists – White Shadows (submissions), William S. Saturn (submissions), Connecticut Staxringold (submissions) and Colombia ThinkBlue (submissions). Also, congratulations to Hungary Sasata (submissions), who withdrew from the competition with an impressive 2685 points earlier in this round.

Prizes will also be going to those who claimed the most points for different types of content in a single round. It was decided that the prizes would be awarded for those with the highest in a round, rather than overall, so that the finalists did not have an unfair advantage. Winning the featured article prize is New South Wales Casliber (submissions), for five featured articles in round 4. Winning the good article prize is Colorado Sturmvogel_66 (submissions), for eighty-one good articles in round 5. Winning the featured list prize is Connecticut Staxringold (submissions), for six featured lists in round 1. Winning the picture and sound award is Jujutacular (submissions), for four featured pictures in round 3. Winning the topic award is Colorado Sturmvogel_66 (submissions), for forty-seven articles in various good topics in round 5. Winning the "did you know" award is New Orleans TonyTheTiger (submissions), for over one hundred did you knows is round 5. Finally, winning the in the news award is Republic of Ireland Candlewicke (submissions), for nineteen articles in the news in round three.

The WikiCup has faced criticism in the last month – hopefully, we will take something positive from it and create a better contest for next year. Like Wikipedia itself, the Cup is a work in progress, and ideas for how it should work are more than welcome on the WikiCup talk page and on the scoring talk page. Also, people are more than welcome to sign up for next year's competition on the signup page. Well done and thank you to everyone involved – the Cup has been a pleasure to run, and we, as judges, have been proud to be a part of it. We hope that next year, however the Cup is working, and whoever is running it, it will be back, stronger and more popular than ever. Until then, goodbye and happy editing! If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn, Fox and The ed17 03:02, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

WikiCup 2010 Ribbon of Participation

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Awarded to Casliber, for participation in the 2010 WikiCup. J Milburn, Fox and The ed17 08:56, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's raining thanks spam!

  • Please pardon the intrusion. This tin of thanks spam is offered to everyone who commented or !voted (Support, Oppose or Neutral) on my recent RfA. I appreciate the fact that you care enough about the encyclopedia and its community to participate in this forum.
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You may want to have a look there as well. Appears to have been improved by a Szasz fan. I've read diagonally this article, but even that doesn't seem to support the light in which the Halpern-Szasz issue is presented in Wikipedia. Tijfo098 (talk) 13:19, 3 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Just go back from a weekend break with no innernet..now where was I.....Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:21, 7 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Stats re pump conversation

Found that link - the 2nd table here. The concentration of & fall-off in 250+ pcm editors is mildly scarey. Johnbod (talk) 18:41, 3 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm interesting. I was also interested in long term users - acquired wisdom yada yada. Lots of stuff to digest...Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:18, 4 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This was initially a redirect to Robert Whitaker (author), but it has now been expanded. I had added a section about the reception of this rather controversial book the author's biography. The expanded article so far has no reception section. Perhaps you can help with that; several medical sources reviewed the book. I'm having some doubts that User:SusanLesch has access to those. Tijfo098 (talk) 23:24, 7 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Is football ambiguous,should we used a hot-note?

Hi,

I was wondering if you could be so kind as to have a look at Talk:Football#RFC:_Association_football as more input is required and your as listed as being interested in sport and/or football at peer review. Gnevin (talk) 12:28, 8 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you

Thank you, for the quality upgrade [15]. ;) Much appreciated, -- Cirt (talk) 19:47, 10 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Vested interest. I am in the youtube promo standing behind Jimmy Wales at a wikipedia Sydney meetup  ;) Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:50, 10 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Link? -- Cirt (talk) 19:54, 10 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
in black Idaho State jumper about 2:39 in...Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:37, 13 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks again for upgrading the rating of quality for this page. FYI, please see Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#Truth_in_Numbers.3F. Thank you for your time, -- Cirt (talk) 05:07, 13 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

American Alsatian Sourcing

Hello Casliber- You reviewed the American Alsatian a year back now for Good Article and since then there has been some new reliable sourcing added to the article. You mentioned at that time that if new reliable sources were included to let you know. The following sources have been added and/or improved:

Imam, Bassam. "Animalogy: Dogs and Other Canids". free e-books.com. Retrieved 2010-11-08.,
"American Alsatian: Appearance". Rightpet.com. July 2009. Retrieved 2009-05-08.,
Sicard, Gary (February 2008). "American Alsatian (Shepalute)". MolosserDogs. Retrieved 2009-06-08.

Thank you again for your help. Shepaluteprez (talk) 21:26, 13 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Good to see - will take a look when I can. Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:31, 13 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Mad in America

Greetings, Casliber. I put a new hook at DYK. If you have time, please take a look and if possible correct it. Thank you. -SusanLesch (talk) 18:44, 14 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I modified ALT3. The idea here is to get a hook that works, if possible. Thank you. -SusanLesch (talk) 02:40, 15 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well, er, yeah. I'll take a look. Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:14, 15 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I added yet another hook. I understand you have 281 DYKs and that you would know this has a time limit. -SusanLesch (talk) 09:59, 15 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Don't worry, there is a backlog and the next step is probably having some uninvolved reviewers. It'll be fine :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:01, 15 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oh good! That means I can stop pounding on your talk page. Thanks a lot for your work on this article. -SusanLesch (talk) 20:42, 15 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Invitation to participate!

Hello! As you may be aware, the Wikimedia Foundation is gearing up for our annual fundraiser. We want to hit our goal, and hit it as soon as possible, so that we can focus on Wikipedia's tenth anniversary (January 15) and on our new project, the Contribution Team.

I'm posting across User Talk pages to engage you, the community, in working to build Wikipedia not only through financial donations, but also through collaboration in building content. You can find more information in Philippe Beaudette's memo to the communities here.

Please visit the Contribution Team page and the Fundraising page to find out how you can help us support and spread free knowledge. DanRosenthal Wikipedia Contribution Team 18:45, 15 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The 2c you added

Just by coincidence, Lincoln cent is just begging for a review!--Wehwalt (talk) 18:56, 15 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

groan Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:02, 15 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Adenanthos dobagii

The DYK project (nominate) 06:04, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Melaleuca pulchella

The DYK project (nominate) 06:04, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Isopogon trilobus

The DYK project (nominate) 06:04, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Allocasuarina humilis

The DYK project (nominate) 06:05, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Mad in America

The DYK project (nominate) 18:03, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

zOMG

If it were up to me, everyone on ArbCom would have training in psychiatry. I mean, what better skill set could one have for the job? I guess one Arb is a start, though. :P Glad to see you running, and best of luck. MastCell Talk 04:53, 19 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I was glad to see your name on the candidate list. The birds and the banksias won't like it, though. Good luck! Ucucha 22:45, 19 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Sandpipers, curlews, stints, godwits, snipes, and phalaropes....

I have a little to show for myself. I'll probably add something to that article later if you don't. Noodle snacks (talk) 06:53, 19 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have a plan for a few robins as a multi-dyk. just need to clear some stuff of me plate first....heheheCasliber (talk · contribs) 01:33, 22 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Pretty annoyed at myself. I got a Grey Currawong and Green Rosella this morning. Then I got home and deleted everything on the card for some reason. I tried a file recovery tool but couldn't get anything :(. Could have deleted something more awesome or a four day trip's worth or something I guess. Noodle snacks (talk) 08:48, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
That sucks :( Yeah lucky it wasn't some pelagic trip or somewhere really exotic... Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:15, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to the elections!

Dear Casliber, thank you for nominating yourself as a candidate in the 2010 Arbitration Committee elections. On behalf of the coordinators, allow me to welcome you to the election and make a few suggestions to help you get set up. By now, you ought to have written your nomination statement, which should be no more than 400 words and declare any alternate or former user accounts you have contributed under (or, in the case of privacy concerns, a declaration that you have disclosed them to the Arbitration Committee). Although there are no fixed guidelines for how to write a statement, note that many candidates treat this as an opportunity, in their own way, to put a cogent case as to why editors should vote for them—highlighting the strengths they would bring to the job, and convincing the community they would cope with the workload and responsibilities of being an arbitrator.

You should at this point have your own questions subpage; feel free to begin answering the questions as you please. Together, the nomination statement and questions subpage should be transcluded to your candidate profile, whose talkpage will serve as the central location for discussion of your candidacy. If you experience any difficulty setting up these pages, please follow the links in the footer below. If you need assistance, on this or any other matter (including objectionable questions or commentary by others on your candidate pages), please notify the coordinators at their talkpage. If you have followed these instructions correctly, congratulations, you are now officially a candidate for the Arbitration Committee. Good luck! Skomorokh 13:10, 19 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Something didn't work out quite right (or wasn't done yet) see the redlink, above, for "your candidate profile"? ++Lar: t/c 14:54, 19 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Questions from Lar

Hi. Best of luck in your upcoming (re?) trial by fire. As in previous years I have a series of questions I ask candidates. This year there are restrictions on the length and number of questions on the "official" page for questions, restrictions which I do not agree with, but which I will abide by. I nevertheless think my questions are important and relevant (and I am not the only person to think so, in previous years they have drawn favorable comment from many, including in at least one case indepth analysis of candidates answers to them by third parties). You are invited to answer them if you so choose. I suggest that the talk page of your questions page is a good place to put them and I will do so with your acquiescence (for example, SirFozzie's page already has them). Your answers, (or non-answers should you decide not to answer them), that will be a factor in my evaluation of your candidacy. Please let me know as soon as practical what your wish is. Thanks and best of luck. ++Lar: t/c 14:54, 19 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sure go for it. Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:16, 20 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Excellent, I have done so. Thanks. ++Lar: t/c 19:00, 20 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You might be able to help

at Historical figures sometimes considered autistic. There's a fairly divisive dispute there that has been going on for some time. I'm not sure I fully comprehend what's going on, but I've left my suggestions on talk. I really need to spend less time on wiki, and given how well Mad in America turned out NPOV-wise with your help, I trust you'd be able to improve this controversial article as well. Tijfo098 (talk) 15:45, 19 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

P.S.: I haven't forgotten about the A. Halpern article, but I have not found the time to read enough about him to fix that article. Tijfo098 (talk) 15:45, 19 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, the production line/to-do list becomes unwieldy very quickly here. I had to really drag myself away a few weeks ago to make sure my tax got done...Casliber (talk · contribs) 07:26, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Roger Waters FAC

FYI, I have re-nominated Roger Waters for FAC, and we could use your input at the FAC page. — GabeMc (talk) 22:51, 19 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Einstein, eh?

Any chance I could watch the episodes? :) NW (Talk) 22:08, 20 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

it sucks that they archive after a time - I gave a few folks a hoy when they were up here. Forgot to archive and keep them (i.e. they all disappear into the ether...but I will try and contact the network) Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:49, 21 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

DYK nomination of Adenanthos oreophilus

Hello! Your submission of Adenanthos oreophilus at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! The Bushranger Return fireFlank speed 05:55, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Lissopimpla excelsa

Materialscientist (talk) 12:03, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Cryptostylis

Materialscientist (talk) 12:03, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Cryptostylis hunteriana

Materialscientist (talk) 12:03, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Cryptostylis subulata

Materialscientist (talk) 12:04, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Cryptostylis erecta

Materialscientist (talk) 12:04, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

José Paranhos, Viscount of Rio Branco is now a FAC

Hi, I am the same editor who wrote Pedro II of Brazil and I've nominated another article, José Paranhos, Viscount of Rio Branco, as a FAC. It is about a 19th century Brazilian statesman and is closely related to Pedro II's life. If you enjoyed the Emperor's article I believe you might enjoy this one. Thus, I'd like to see your opinion on whether you would support or oppose its nomination. The link: Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/José Paranhos, Viscount of Rio Branco/archive1 --Lecen (talk) 12:38, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Peer review

Hello Casliber. I've noticed you're someone to go to for input in any Everyday life article peer review? I was wondering if I could have your input on a Rugby Union based page I nominated for peer review a couple of days ago and I was hoping to find out if the page would be good enough to become Wikipedia's 1st Rugby Union specific good article or if you could suggest any edits that could improve it? The Peer Review is at Wikipedia:Peer review/Eye-gouging (rugby union)/archive1 with the aricle being Eye-gouging (rugby union), Thanks. The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 17:57, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Adenanthos oreophilus

Materialscientist (talk) 06:06, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ArbCom

Good luck in the elections. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 02:25, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Heh, thx. Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:34, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Don't you hate it when ...

[16] I took a pile of photos at Kew of North paintings. Alas, I just scanned through them and none were of Banksias. I can't believe it. –Moondyne 13:37, 27 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I know. I visited Kew a month ago and didn't even think to look in...Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:40, 27 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Western Ground Parrot

Materialscientist (talk) 06:03, 29 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you!

Thank you for your support at my RfA last week. I'll do everything I can to live up to your expectations and support! PanydThe muffin is not subtle 21:22, 29 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

DYK nomination of Acronychia pubescens

Hello! Your submission of Acronychia pubescens at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! - Tim1965 (talk) 00:37, 30 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Added a note there. Materialscientist (talk) 10:18, 1 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

GOCE elections

Greetings from the Guild of Copy Editors

Elections are currently underway for our inaugural Guild coordinators. The voting period will run for 14 days: 00:01 UTC, Friday 1 December – 23:59 UTC, Tuesday 14 December. All GOCE members in good standing, as well as past participants of any of the Guild's Backlog elimination drives, are eligible to vote. There are six candidates vying for four positions. The candidate with the highest number of votes will become the Lead Coordinator, therefore, your vote really matters! Cast your vote today.

Sent on behalf of the Guild of Copy Editors via SMasters using AWB on 01:30, 1 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Acronychia pubescens

Materialscientist (talk) 06:03, 2 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Banksia attenuata

Materialscientist (talk) 12:02, 2 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have added an additional followup

... at Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration_Committee_Elections_December_2010/Candidates/Casliber/Questions#Questions_from_Lar. Thanks. ++Lar: t/c 18:30, 2 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

FAC Review

Thanks a lot for your review! Sorry it took me so long, but I think I've addressed your concerns. ceranthor 20:36, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Geoffroy's Tamarin

Thank you for your GA review! Rlendog (talk) 03:34, 4 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
nom nom. Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:53, 4 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Elk was scheduled to be mainpaged on 12/5..but I looked it over and saw the refs were out of date, some were dead etc. I asked Raul to postpone the date a few days and he agreed...I will update the refs but was wondering if you had time, could you add some cite needed tags as you see things that need referencing and or do a quick read through and see if you can clean up any of the text...if you feel so inclined of course...best wishes to you either way.--MONGO 05:46, 4 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Will see what I can do - would be great to see it on mainpage soon. I now get access to a bunch of journals via university so might have more chance of getting good refs. Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:55, 4 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Raul rescheduled it for the 14th...I'll get the existing refs cleaned up and or replaced, but more may be needed...I appreciate you looking in on it as you can. Thanks a bunch.--MONGO 07:10, 4 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Messier 87

Hello Casliber. I've done some work to improve and fill out the Messier 87 article that you reviewed as a GAC some time back. I think it provides pretty thorough coverage now. When you have a little time, please could you take a look and see if your issues have been addressed. I'd greatly appreciate it as I'm planning to take the article back for another GAC.

Thank you. Regards, RJH (talk) 19:31, 8 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Congratulations

What? What do you mean you didn't know about the robes? I thought the only reason anyone ever ran for such a thankless job was so that they could get a nice set of plush golden robes. "In it for the community" you say? Bah! The bling is where it's at. Even the Supreme Court can't top this swag. You could pawn this for a house! Why the heck else did you think that the foundation needed 20 million dollars?

So you're really serious about the whole "helping the community" and "for the good of the project" business? Aww, shucks. Go ahead and keep the robe anyways then. Do us proud.

Congratulations on your victory, may your tenure be peaceful and have a net low adverse interaction on your sanity. Sven Manguard Wha? 22:35, 9 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Congratulations and good luck! Ucucha 00:11, 9 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Heh, thanks :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:27, 9 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome back, Cas.  :-) — Coren (talk) 01:05, 9 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Congrats - it looks like your approval numbers are almost in Joseph Stalin territory. MastCell Talk 01:06, 9 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I think you did the right thing standing down in the first place, but I'm glad to see you back now (especially since you were thumping me in the race). Congrats :) Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk)
Yep, nice to see you back, congrats :) Black Kite (t) (c) 01:28, 9 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Congratulations from me as well! Kirill [talk] [prof] 01:40, 9 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

(shuffles feet. Looks abashedly at floor) aww gee thanks folks - am flattered by the kind notes :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:18, 9 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
PS- Archive time! Risker (talk) 04:44, 9 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Félicitations ! Mathsci (talk) 04:46, 9 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Pros: content-oriented all-around good guy on Arbcom. Cons: less featured articles. :-) Many congratulations! Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 10:05, 9 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Congrats. You were a standout candidate and I'm happy to see it reflected in the vote totals. Best wishes, Jusdafax 23:15, 9 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Congrats. Or condolences. Whatever's appropriate. Good luck! Our gain, your hard work at a thankless task. :) Guettarda (talk) 05:15, 10 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Congratulations

Congratulations on the election results from me as well. I look forward to getting to work with you again. Regards, Newyorkbrad (talk) 01:13, 10 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sherman article

Casliber: I plan to ask for semi-protection for the Sherman article again. I hope you will be on the lookout and will protect it again. The situation there is rather ridiculous. Thank you. Hartfelt (talk) 19:11, 10 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]