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Please do not remove this invisible timestamp. See WT:ERRORS and WP:SUBSCRIBE. - Dank (push to talk) 01:24, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Ivan the Terrible movie

Ivan the Terrible (full film)
Part I, which is public domain
  • This isn't necessarily an error, but I think it would be a good idea to replace Ivan the Terrible screenshot on DYK with the full film. We have used a full film on DYK before (Night of the Living Dead if I remember correctly). I think it's just more interesting and enticing. Di (they-them) (talk) 02:03, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Jaguarnik, thoughts on that idea? theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 03:54, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Are we sure that the film is in the public domain in the United States? Schwede66 04:23, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If it's hosted on Commons, it's good enough for the Main Page, as far as I know... theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 05:53, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We've seen plenty of instances of things being tagged as properly licensed on commons that turned out not to be. And I agree that the goal of DYK is to get people to click through to the article and this would distract from that. RoySmith (talk) 15:09, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm against it. Our concern is to get our readers to click on the bolded link. Posting a 3-hour film next to it is rather distracting. Once they read the article, they would know where to watch the film. BorgQueen (talk) 05:18, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not necessarily against it, but unfortunately we don't have full English subtitles yet for that film (there are partial subtitles but unfortunately there's no time to complete the subtitles before DYK is up). So assuming someone decided to watch the full film and did not know Russian (as most of the readers on ENwiki do not) they would only be able to watch about 16 minutes, so there wouldn't be much of a point for posting the full film. I'll leave it up to consensus though because it's an interesting idea. As for US public domain, the first part would be under public domain under URAA, but I'm not sure that the second part is in public domain, and the video has both parts. Jaguarnik (talk) 07:39, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
[...] I'm not sure that the second part is in public domain, and the video has both parts. Right, we can't post it on MP then. BorgQueen (talk) 09:04, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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" Christopher Columbus set sail from San Sebastián de La Gomera in the Canary Islands on his first voyage across the Atlantic to the Americas." He set sail to find a shortcut towards India . . . . that the two Americas lay in his way was a lucky find, as he would have never been able to navigate the whole of the Atlantic and Pacific. Ciao Pentaclebreaker (talk) 06:34, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The main problem with the OTD in my opinion is the use of the term "discovered" to describe Columbus's accidental voyage to the Americas. It's rather eurocentric, and should be replaced with "discovering (from the perspective of the Europeans) the Americas." Titan(moon)003 (talk) 19:24, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Great I accidentally replied to someone rather than creating a new post. (I'm new to Wikipedia, sorry) Titan(moon)003 (talk) 19:25, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

According to Amerigo Vespucci, cartographer Martin Waldseemüller applied the Latinized form "America" to a map showing the New World for the first time in 1507, i.e. 15 years after Columbus's voyage. – Sca (talk) 12:39, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand why you perceive an error. "Voyage ... to the Americas" is a normal way to describe where he ended up, not where he intended to go. It would sound stranger if we wrote about Columbus's voyage to India! And of course we use the modern name for the continent. JMCHutchinson (talk) 13:47, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As it was his intention to find a shorter way to India (actually to the land that was the source of pepper and other spices) it is definitely misleading to state that he set sail to cross the Atlantic and reach the Americas. With todays lack of elementary education in sciences and crafts some people might interpret the voyage as a given route to a well known land. What it definitely wasn't.
Albeit it was most probably know to Columbus that far to the West across the Atlantic there was another land (he may had access to a source describing the Viking expansion toward Greenland and Newfoundland, and maybe some rumours about ships going to the Southwest to find favourable winds and currents to reach Subsahara Africa (and sight some foreign coast to the west maybe only hints to a coast), he had no knowledge about the lands that later were named "The Americas". He barely had an idea of what he had found and most probably was convicted he found some parts of Asia untill very later in his life. Ciao Pentaclebreaker (talk) 14:51, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But the blurb does not say "he set sail to cross the Atlantic and reach the Americas". It says "set sail from ... on his first voyage across the Atlantic to the Americas". I still see no implication in the latter text that the Americas was his goal. JMCHutchinson (talk) 16:08, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As the Americas are mentioned in the short, condensed text, it implies that these were kind of knowledge at that time . . . what they weren't at all. Ciao Pentaclebreaker (talk) 16:55, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I’ve tweaked the blurb. Happy? Schwede66 18:30, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes^^. Pentaclebreaker (talk) 21:05, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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thats not bart simpson

hope u guys know thats not bart simpsons in the pic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.240.153.50 (talk • contribs) 00:20, 19 April 2015‎

Did you read the text? It says "Bart Simpson is a character voiced by Nancy Cartwright (pictured) . . ." The picture is of Nancy Cartwright. -- GB fan 00:37, 19 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Seeing the voice actor pictured instead of the cartoon character is a little weird, admittedly. Equilibrium007 (talk) 00:58, 19 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
It is weird. We wouldn't use this or this to depict Darth Vader. I understand why there is no eligible image of the character and there is no doubt that Cartwright's talents are important but the article is not about Cartwright. Regards, Orange Suede Sofa (talk) 02:07, 19 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
No, we would use those images. We regularly feature pictures of the actors who portray characters. --Jayron32 02:17, 19 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The reason why I chose the example I did is because the actors who portray Darth Vader and Bart Simpson are never seen in character, so their images are not associated with the topic of the article. It's a lot more out of context than, say, showing a random picture of David Duchovny to represent Fox Mulder (as has been done for at least one TFA). Orange Suede Sofa (talk) 03:41, 19 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Another option is to not have an image there at all. The normal practice is not to post any copyrighted or fair use images on the Main page (only public domain or free content images). A picture of Bart Simpson is considered a copyrighted image. See also Wikipedia:FAQ/Main Page#Why is a Main Page section missing an illustrative image? Zzyzx11 (talk) 01:06, 19 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, but it is Bart Simpson to a great degree ... I think it's brilliant to have her pic there! ---Sluzzelin talk 01:13, 19 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
It does seem somewhat jarring. With respect to User:Jayron32, we often do have pictures of actors that play a particular character, but then again the actor in question usually resembles the character. Cartwright looks nothing like Bart Simpson. Lankiveil (speak to me) 03:15, 19 April 2015 (UTC).[reply]
He's drawn. What are you gonna do? She does sound a lot like him, though... --Jayron32 03:17, 19 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Well, the vocal resemblance is uncanny ;-). I think this is one featured article that doesn't need a picture on the front page, to be honest. Lankiveil (speak to me) 03:25, 19 April 2015 (UTC).[reply]

We could have had some primroses (it being Primrose Day). Jackiespeel (talk) 21:42, 19 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This was my call btw ... User:Crisco 1492 has made all the others calls on images in the Today's Featured Article column since January ... and he knows what he's doing, so don't hold it against him :) For me, this was a simple calculation: the Main Page gets around 10M hits daily, and most of those people aren't clicking specifically to read our TFA column. But our column comes up at the top (including on mobile view) ... so no matter why they came here, they might give us a glance ... but only if that first glance shows them something they find interesting. This is why writers of similar columns generally make an effort to find acceptable images ... we don't have to succeed, but it's my position we should make the effort. There is no Bart Simpson in reality, just Nancy Cartwright, since 1987 ... and this is Wikipedia, so we're telling people counterintuitive stuff they didn't know all the time ... that's our job. - Dank (push to talk) 12:59, 20 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

And if #everybody# was happy with the MP #all the time# there would be something seriously wrong with it. Jackiespeel (talk) 15:50, 20 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"No. That a woman was behind an iconic "brat" male is much more interesting than yet another pic of Bart."
What exactly do you have against men as a gender? Isn't wikipedia supposed to be neutral and not favour one group of people over another?Equivocasmannus (talk) 06:46, 21 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
?????? How do you get any anti-male sentiment out of that? Bart is male, Bart is a brat, therefor Bart is a brat male. This says NOTHING about any other men. --Khajidha (talk) 13:13, 21 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

How wide is agility?

1.85 metres according to the Sisu KB-124 DYK currently on the main page. Something may have been lost in translation from Finnish I suspect, or possibly just a careless bit of copy-editing. Trucks can certainly be agile, and the width of a truck (or rather the lack of it) may make for agility, but I can't for the life of me see how the width itself can be agile. Perhaps someone could de-mangle the DYK, before we inflict it on too many more readers... AndyTheGrump (talk) 00:12, 21 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You might be better served to remove this from here, and to repost it at WP:ERRORS, as described at the instructions at the top of this page. --Jayron32 00:44, 21 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Misleading moto!!!

Given the experience with editing articles so far, it would be more truthful to change the motto to: The encyclopedia that anyone who understands the norms, socializes him or herself, dodges the impersonal wall of semi-automated rejection and still wants to voluntarily contribute his or her time and energy can edit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.70.114.11 (talk)

A reasonable observation, but one that has nothing whatsoever to do with the Main Page, which is the topic of this talk page. I suggest you instead discuss this at the village pump. Modest Genius talk 12:25, 21 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Not true. Anyone CAN edit, but that doesn't mean that all edits will be allowed to stand. --Khajidha (talk) 12:46, 21 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
More importantly "Anyone can edit" doesn't actually apply to the Main Page. I guess you meant motto not moto? Martinevans123 (talk) 13:00, 21 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

How about "Anyone can edit * terms and conditions may apply. Others may repeatedly undo your hard work and refuse to explain why causing you to become one of the legion of fair minded people that will no longer contribute"? Lemlinspire (talk) 16:40, 21 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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