User talk:Ritchie333

Keeping an eye on stuff. Meanwhile, here is some music.

Source help

Heyo, Ritchie. I've been given to understand you're knowledgeable about this sort of thing, so...been trying to improve this song article, to GA, if I can get it there. Found lots of great sources on the lyrics and music and impact that I'm still working through; but can't seem to find anything usable for the credits. Any advice? Vanamonde (talk) 17:23, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

@Vanamonde93: Okay, I see you've got all the sources I immediately looked at, including Easlea's biography, which still leaves you short for the chart positions and credits. The chart stats might be in Bowler & Dray's Genesis biography, which does a cursory overview of Gabriel's solo career, but I don't have that in front of me. Unfortunately, this biography says that the actual credits on the song are not known. It's probably David Rhodes on guitar (Gabriel is known for consistently working with a core of musicians who've stuck with him for his career), but the source in question doesn't definitively say. Bit of a tricky one this. JennKR has done a bit of work on Gabriel, particularly getting So to GA, so she's probably got good sources but she hasn't been around for a few months.

I will have a hunt around, I appreciate you're probably trying to get this in shape for the 40th anniversary of Biko's death to get a DYK on the front page. If I can't directly find anything and don't contribute to the article, and you want a GA review when you're all done, let me know. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 18:08, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks Ritchie. I confess I hadn't anticipated this much trouble with a song this well known. I missed the point at which the Hill book says the credits are unknown: could you point me to it? I've tried web sources, too, but even AllMusic only has credits for the album. I'm going to keep looking; but if we can't find the full credits anyplace reliable, would you recommend adding album credits, or just adding what we do know and a note to say the rest is unknown? Cheers. Vanamonde (talk) 11:19, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

@Vanamonde93: I think the only thing I can compare it to is who played what on Beach Boys LPs; although the Pet Sounds and "Good Vibrations" personnel are reasonably well documented, that's because everyone who played on them got sought out and given the appropriate credit; for the lesser albums, there's no real indication of who was used to play what. The trouble with book sources is they tend to fall into two types. The first are proper groundbreaking research done with extensive interviews with the subject and people close to them, which subsequently get rave reviews. The second are just people digging up second hand information and assembling it into a readable format (which, when you think about it, is exactly what we do here). I've got a feeling that book is of the second type. Still, I think for now, put what we know in a footnote and source it to that book. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 10:54, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

That makes sense, many thanks. I've been distracted by other things over the last week or so, but I'm planning to get back to this project soonish. Cheers, Vanamonde (talk) 12:21, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

I've added a fair amount of stuff to it and sent it to GAN; here's the link. If you're still able to review it, that'd be great. It's not perfect, but the basics are there, I think. Also, since we're on the subject, I wonder if you'd be interested in reviewing Music in the movement against apartheid at some point? It would be a larger project, obviously, so no hurry/no pressure; it's just that it's been languishing at GAN since February, and is a topic complex enough to make it difficult to find reviewers for. Vanamonde (talk) 12:35, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

@Vanamonde93: Well to cut a long story short, I'm in the middle of GA reviewing The Rolling Stones which, as you might expect, is a bit of a slog, plus I've got three of my own articles being reviewed right now. Maybe if I can clear all that backlog down quickly, I'll have a go at this one, but it depends on what else turns up, I guess :-/ Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 13:00, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

That's entirely understandable, I did notice the slew of notifications here. It would be nice to get this to the main page on 12 September, but it's not hugely critical; and we still have a bit of time, because there will be folks at DYK willing to do an expedited review. The Stones article is hugely important, I wouldn't want to distract you from it. Cheers, Vanamonde (talk) 16:53, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

I see that you've dealt with the flood of GA reviews; is this a good time to remind you of this? Vanamonde (talk) 07:26, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

Hey, Ritchie? Vanamonde (talk) 13:11, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Finaly reminder, I promise, then I'll leave you in peace. Vanamonde (talk) 10:29, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

@Vanamonde93: Hi, sorry, I got caught up by The Rolling Stones and Mick Jagger's GA reviews, which took (and are taking) longer than expected. Let me grab it now. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 10:31, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

No worries and thank you. Vanamonde (talk) 10:41, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

Requiem

I will take the Requiem to GA, promised, as I did with Fauré's, but not now, better for November ;) - I am more in the mood of waiting, Es wartet alles auf dich, BWV 187 is waiting for you, to be reviewed. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:47, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

Indeed, and I am waiting for a move request to finish before I put Waterloo to GA (see above thread). If I get a chance today or tomorrow, I will look at BWV 187. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 09:24, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

Thank you! I put the other plan on my user page, - one a day, today Ubu Rex. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:27, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

Just returned from this (details in German): very impressive. Moar. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:05, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

I added refs and external links to the Requiem, now anybody could write the article. Not me, going on vacation tomorrow. The tags on the article are a disgrace, imho. We know that the refs tag didn't work for years, - I have no idea what added stuff is supposed to change, especially the part that concerns the template, not that specific article. - Do you have an idea how to find a common phrase for both "Op." and "Catalogue", between just "Number", and "Number by which the composition is known"? Nobody ever complained about Beethoven's and Reger's works showing the opus number under Catalogue number, see here and here. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:59, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

Chance was mentioned above ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:33, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

You still have the chance! Has it happened to you that right after your article was taken for GA review, a third editor came and changed it to his liking? To me, yes. I asked for a close, because when I revert (I did, some), it's not stable, if I leave it it's not what I'd support. Take this one, the same will happen, so it won't take much of your time ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:03, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Hyde Park, London

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@Dr. Blofeld: I'll come back to this one tomorrow, or possibly the day after; I've tackled two and a half GAs today (one of which is a Million award core article) and I'm GA-ed out for the mo. :-/ Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 16:18, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for your comments on The Rolling Stones

"Hey, wow Mick man ... they might actually get this article to GA before one of us dies!"

Hi there, I just found your comments on The Rolling Stones failed FA nom I nominated back in April of this year (here) and wanted to thank you for your comments and taking the time to write them. After it became clear that the nomination would most likely not succeed and the fact that it was nearing final exams, the discussion fell off my radar and, truth behold, I forgot I had even nominated it until I stumbled across the failed FA noms on the talk page a couple days ago.

I just thought I would thank you, better late than never, and wanted to let you know that I have nominated it for Good Article status per the recommendations and have made a number of the edits you have suggested (i.e. removing Daily Mail references, renaming Golden age section etc.) and continue to make more when I have the time. In response to the "golden age" point you raised, I renamed the section as I was unable to find a reputable reference referring to it as such, however I am sure that I have seen them years ago and am familiar with the period being called that (which I disagree with the timeframe of personally but that's another story and off topic). --TheSandDoctor (talk) 21:29, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Personal opinion - the Stones should have split when Mick Taylor left, they'd be much more fondly remembered than they are nowadays. Anyway, I have started the review, but it's a biggie so it may take a couple of days. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:35, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I certainly can't remember them, so there. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:55, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

...if you can remember them, you weren't there.... — fortunavelut luna 13:14, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks! I love the caption on the pic . I was not expecting to have it reviewed for some time, but am glad that it is being reviewed now while I am still on break and able to do more quicker. Haha Martinevans123.

As for splitting, let's agree to disagree on that. I have loved the Stones all my life and am glad that they are still together as a band - if they weren't, I wouldn't have been able to see them in Vancouver in 2006 at the age of 8 - a dream come true and remains one of the best moments of my (admittedly short/young so far) life and really would love to see them for a second time if they ever come to this neck of the woods again. Oddly enough, I have only managed to find a couple of their songs that I didn't like (which, I don't actually remember what they are , but would if I ever heard them again). As a kid, it was always a dream of mine to meet them (sadly haven't...yet, though I have met a few that actually have). As for the fondly remembered bit, I didn't know that they weren't.

That aside, thanks for taking the time to review and please, do take your time - there is no rush. --TheSandDoctor (talk) 22:03, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks so much for your help Ritchie! Do you have any suggestions for DYK hooks? Also, at first glance, which do you think closer to the GA criteria? Gimme Shelter or Tumbling Dice? If it is Gimme Shelter, I would happily switch out my nomination from Tumbling Dice for it, otherwise would you be interested in reviewing, Tumbling Dice (I already have it nominated)? It should be definitely a quicker review than The Rolling Stones and I believe I have addressed the issues that caused it to be delisted from good article. --TheSandDoctor (talk) 14:51, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

Ritchie? --TheSandDoctor (talk) 14:26, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

Ah right, I think Tumbling Dice is closer to GA myself, though it still needs work. For a DYK hook, maybe "... that Keith Richards described The Rolling Stones mid-80s feud with Mick Jagger as "World War III"?" I deleted the mostly unsourced "Awards and nominations" from the main Stones article, although a good effort to source it, the burden of effort is on the editor who decided to add a massive unsourced section to a GA - except they can't because they've now been indef blocked. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 14:30, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the response, what would you suggest adding to Tumbling Dice to bring it closer? Do you think it is close enough for a GA review? If so, would you be willing to review it when you get the time? As for the indef blocked editor, I did try to source the section myself after I saw that they were indefinitely blocked as it may be a useful section to have, though possibly in a list like/in the form of List of awards and nominations received by the Beatles --TheSandDoctor (talk) 16:27, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

Of the top of my head, not everything has an inline citation, the quotations are too long and I don't think setlists.fm is a reliable source. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 16:37, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

I have removed the setlist.fm references and replaced one where possible, but could not find reputable reference for one sentence so removed sentence (whole sentence also seemed somewhat trivial/unnecessary). I have also gone ahead and added some more references to the article. Are you referring to the quotations in general or to the critical reception section specifically? --TheSandDoctor (talk) 03:28, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Would you be willing/like to to start a review of Tumbling Dice or Mick Jagger some time (there is no rush)? If not, that is totally fine - I just like your in-depth reviewing style. Thanks regardless. --TheSandDoctor (talk) 16:18, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

Had a quick look at Jagger, you need to sort out the unsourced paragraphs and some of the prose from 2000 onwards is a bit "bitty", very short paragraphs. I'm a bit busy this week but if nobody else takes it next week, I'll give it a ago. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 16:55, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

I sorted out the 2000 and 2010s sections, I will add more sourcing asap. Thanks for your help. --TheSandDoctor (talk) 18:25, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Brighton Palace Pier

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Your GA nomination of Cannon Street station

Typical, you wait ages for a GA review bus, then four turn up at once

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Ritchie333 You inspired me and your kindness is appreciated. I have been overwhelmed with back to school activities, and look forward to the teahouse suggestion this weekend. Mbarywiki (talk) 04:40, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

You're inspired by Cannon Street station? Crikey, I think it's a soul-less concrete shed myself. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 08:52, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Cannon Street station

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Your GA nomination of Charing Cross railway station

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You suck!

you suck — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.225.34.120 (talk)

Yaaay Old Skool

I don't delete articles for fun, and I have responded on your talk page. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 10:32, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Like: "I bet you read The Downing Street Years while you're doing number twos :p" ;) — fortunavelut luna 10:52, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

You know that Donald Trump? That's like your best friend. You are him. Fortuna Imperatrix Donald Trump. (For context, go here) Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 10:55, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Let's face it, Threesie, it was you who put the suck in the dumb-fuck-suckery. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:23, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Brighton Palace Pier

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Quick check?

Hi Richie - I see the superb job you did with Brighton Palace Pier article and have taken it upon myself to develop Southport Pier, taking some pointers as you how you laid out the Brighton article. I am hoping to take it to GA in the near future, but perhaps with your previous experience developing Brighton Palace Pier, I wonder if you could offer your opinion on Southport Pier article as it stands now, or perhaps any suggestions for additional content inclusion? Bungle ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:16, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

@Bungle: As a brief "finger in the air" estimate, you're going along the right lines - 11K of text and 30ish citations is basically what the Palace Pier and West Pier both have, and you're using a dedicated book source. Provided you give everything a good copyedit (the best way to do that is to gain a following and have lots of good copyeditors watch your talk page, but obviously that takes time and effort!) and ensure everything is properly sourced and structured, you should be good for GA before too long. The other slight advantage I have is that I've been to the pier several times so I've got some "on the ground" experience of it. This is useful when reading sources as you can spot what you ought to cite and what you should maybe leave out. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 16:33, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Cheers - I am reasonably ok at copyediting and what now so I hope the quality of prose will suffice GA at the least (and indeed be suitably paraphrased). It's good to know you can't see anything glaringly obvious (and I appreciate it would have been a sweeping look). Always useful when you can compare against a very similar article that has been through the process! Bungle ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:27, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Hyde Park, London

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About Article creation

Hi Ritchie, my article is currently protected. In this case, how can I be unblocked from editing? If still there is a possibility that i can create an article with the name of "DFRobot", I would like to take time and write it again . Could you please tell me what i should do to unblock it? Should i revise it at Draft page and click Submit for review? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Christy.kwon (talk • contribs) 07:02, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Charing Cross railway station

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Your GA nomination of Broad Street railway station (London)

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NPR feed

Your July redirect was reverted by an IP [1] then reverted back by Sro23 [2] and reverted back by another IP. The article is still in the feed, and I thought maybe you might have a better alternative to NPR's continuing to revert process. Thx. ^{Atsme📞📧} 16:37, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

There was only a weak consensus to redirect, following a CSD A7 nomination by Light2021 who is now blocked for persistently disrupting the deletion process. If the redirect has been challenged back to a full article, I'd say that's a valid application of BR, and since I can't be bothered to D, I think we'll take that as a consensus to keep the article. Although I will say I look at it now and haven't the foggiest what it's talking about. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 16:53, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

Me, either which is why I brought it to you. Maybe David Eppstein knows. I would be much happier if it was off the NPR feed so we can get a more realistic picture of what we're dealing with re: new pages. ^{Atsme📞📧} 22:41, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

BRD doesn't apply to A7 speedy deletions, which is what this looks like (effectively) to me: an article about an organization that doesn't credibly indicate its significance. —David Eppstein (talk) 22:56, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

Tagged - now we'll see what happens. ^{Atsme📞📧} 00:55, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

It was nuked. As you can see from User talk:Ritchie333/Archive 60#rationale, I agreed with the A7 originally and deleted it, but then had second thoughts and felt a redirect would be better. Hey ho. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:12, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

NetWitz

I hate to contradict you but User:NetWitz is already socking as User:NetWitz830, so it's not just IP editing. --Tarage (talk) 07:51, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

I apologize, that was an accident, I meant to write NetWitz, but autocorrect screwed me up, because NetWitz830 is my email. NetWitz (talk) 07:56, 18 August 2017 (UTC)NetWitz

(edit conflict) @NetWitz: Wait, NetWitz830 was created five years ago - given you managed to log into it, it must be one of your accounts. How many other accounts do you have? -- There'sNoTime ^{(to explain)} 08:00, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

NetWitz830 indef blocked as a sock. Use one account only or you will be kicked off the project - last warning. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 07:59, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

Um, There is no NetWitz830 account, that was just a typo. Please stop overreacting NetWitz (talk) 08:02, 18 August 2017 (UTC)NetWitz

Yes there is Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 08:04, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

NetWitz is my one and only account, and that is the honest truth NetWitz (talk) 08:05, 18 August 2017 (UTC)NetWitz

But you managed to "accidentally" log into an old account and make recent edits with it? -- There'sNoTime ^{(to explain)} 08:07, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

I didn't log into another account, I don't have another account, if somebody would check to login history of NetWitz830, they can see that it hasn't been logged into. NetWitz (talk) 08:09, 18 August 2017 (UTC)NetWitz

@NetWitz: Yes... it has been logged into (by you)... can you tell me who made this edit then? Ritchie, I'm losing the will here.. -- There'sNoTime ^{(to explain)} 08:11, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

I've dealt with Trump supporters on Facebook, this is mild by comparison ;-) Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 08:14, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

Brave man.. -- There'sNoTime ^{(to explain)} 08:24, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

That was me making an UNINTENTIONAL typo because autocorrect changed it because my device has NetWitz830 as my email address. If somebody can check the timestamp of the the the account was last loggged into they would see that I didn't log into it. NetWitz (talk) 08:22, 18 August 2017 (UTC)NetWitz

Last edit two hours ago, so I'm gonna go with last login two hours ago. It's blocked now, and I'm tired of the back and forth - next slip up is an indefinite block -- There'sNoTime ^{(to explain)} 08:24, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

I don't see why you are rudely attacking me just because of an accidental typo NetWitz (talk) 17:30, 18 August 2017 (UTC)NetWitz And also, the time stamp I meant was last login with password NetWitz (talk) 17:32, 18 August 2017 (UTC)NetWitz

Use of WP:SPI for reporting LTA by IP addresses?

I was surprised by this edit at WP:AIV where you suggested reporting at WP:SPI. I had previously understood that WP:SPI was for reporting named accounts only, rather than IPs. The long term abuse by IPs in the 112.210.x.x series has involved numerous IPs apart from the current 112.210.70.48 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log). 112.210.70.39 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) is currently blocked, 112.210.8.6 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) was blocked not long ago, & there have been numerous others including 112.210.74.238 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log), 112.210.39.68 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log), 112.210.60.157 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log), 112.210.15.74 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log), &112.210.85.210 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log). Targets of the IPs' vandalism include Commonwealth of Nations, Non-Aligned Movement, and various others. At least one target of his vandalism was protected, but he continues to vandalise other articles. Are you sure that a report of these IPs to WP:SPI would be more fruitful than reporting the vandalism to WP:AIV? --David Biddulph (talk) 15:28, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

AIV is for editors of IPs who need immediate action, and this seemed to be just a long term block-evading disruptive editor, but not necessarily one that needed an immediate block (if it did, I would have blocked them). If there isn't a page on WP:LTA for this already, consider creating one. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:09, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

I'm a bit surprised that vandals get blocked at AIV if it's their first appearance there, but the same vandalism is allowed to continue if the vandal is a persistent offender. Aren't we trying to protect the encyclopedia from vandalism? --David Biddulph (talk) 17:39, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

So why is this blatant, obvious, and immediately blockable vandalism? I don't get it, sorry. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 18:35, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

Pure invention, just as the numerous other instances of vandalism to that article by this LTA's other aliases, such as this addition of Afghanistan, this addition of Bhutan, this addition of Benin, ... --David Biddulph (talk) 18:51, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

I will grant you, of course, that if the single edit to which you refer had been an isolated instance from a new editor one could have assumed good faith, but the long-established pattern makes it as plain as a pikestaff that this is deliberate (which is why I referred to some of the previous instances). - David Biddulph (talk) 19:35, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

I still think that in this instance, where you've got a possible good-faith edit, you're better off creating an LTA page where you can collate information together. AIV should be reserved for cases where any admin can be expected to unilaterally block, possibly indefinitely, without requiring any community consensus whatsoever. I realise you don't need consensus to block, but for non-blatant scenarios, you are generally always better off getting it, otherwise you run the risk of being hauled off to ANI and getting the community to do the consensus for you :-/ Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:02, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Miss Black Universe

Megalibrarygirl finally realised there was so much article rescue work to do on Wikipedia that she may not get home in time to feed the cat after all.....

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In accordance with our policy that Articles for Creation is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been nominated for deletion. If you plan on working on it further, or editing it to address the issues raised if it was declined, simply and remove the {{db-afc}} or {{db-g13}} code.

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Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Legacypac (talk) 17:54, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

@Legacypac: I was wondering why I was getting this, turns out I restored and moved it to draft after I deleted following a complaint. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 18:32, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

Thank Twinkle or AFCH :) Legacypac (talk) 18:35, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

When you added the AFC template, you set yourself as the 'owner' (|u=Ritchie333), so AFCH sends you the notice. — JJMC89 (T·C) 19:49, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

Aha, that explains it - the editor who wanted it restored, KrisangelaW hasn't edited since asking for it to be restored. Unless Megalibrarygirl can do something with it, I'd suggest deleting it. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 19:56, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

@Ritchie333, Legacypac, and JJMC89: the subject of the article is TOOSOON. I'm not finding any RS in my databases, and only mentions. I'd say delete without prejudice for recreation in the future if it does become notable. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 20:05, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

Okay, I've binned it. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:06, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Broad Street railway station (London)

Take the Long Way Home (especially if you're using the North London Line to Richmond which takes all day.....)

The article Broad Street railway station (London) you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Broad Street railway station (London) for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of The Rambling Man -- The Rambling Man (talk) 20:02, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

Bit of a damp squib really is Broad Street, nemesis had it marked pretty much as soon as the Tube took off in the early 20th century. Still, it might have had a renaissance as an interchange on the revived East London Line to compete with overcrowded tubes. We'll never know. Right, shall I put Waterloo or Victoria up next? Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:13, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

Either, let me know if you'd like one of my pedantic and clueless reviews. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:18, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

It would have been useless on a revived and expanded ELL, as it's oriented the wrong way—the trains would have had to reverse out of it. What it would have been a shoo-in for, had BR hung onto the site a few years longer, would have been as the London terminus of the CTRL; through Liverpool Street it would have had just as good onwards connections as St Pancras, and would have avoided the need for the white elephant vanity project of the twelve-mile tunnel between Dagenham and St Pancras as HS1 could have just taken over the little-used section of ELL from Broad Street to Custom House via Dalston, and thus the only new construction would have gone through derelict land between Custom House and Dagenham. This would not only have saved billions but would also have put City Airport on the route of the CTRL, making LCY only 5–6 minutes travel from the City. Plus, the Eurostars would have had short direct routes along the NLL from Dalston to Canonbury and Willesden, providing a direct route onto the ECML and WCML and making such things as Paris–Edinburgh in six hours and Paris–Birmingham in three possible without the need for any upgrade works north of London. ‑ Iridescent 20:44, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

Interesting idea; obviously the underground would have had to been integrated into that. Although Kings Cross St Pancras looks convenient on a map, to actually get from platforms 11-13 to the Victoria Line platforms is about half a mile (or at least feels like it is). More prosaically, it would mean on a train home, I wouldn't have to say "aargh I've got NO BLOODY SIGNAL" for the first 20 minutes. In fact, if you want any sort of consistent signal between St Pancras and Ebbsfleet, forget it. And who goes to Ebbsfleet International anyway? When I get on HS1 at Ashford on a Saturday morning, it can be absolutely jam-packed, standing room only, but hardly anyone gets on and off at Ebbsfleet. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:59, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

Come out of platforms 11-13, ignore the signs to the Underground, walk straight through the station concourse and out the front exit onto Kings Cross Square (where the street market is), go down the steps into the Underground there (the entrance outside the BR station), turn left at the bottom of the steps and you're on the Victoria Line without any wandering through twisty passageways.

Ebbsfleet International is there because there needed to be an station in North Kent, and Maidstone NIMBYs refused to allow them to route the line near the town. The equally pointless Fréthun exists on the French side for the same reason. Integrating the underground into Broad Street would have been easy, since Liverpool Street needed to be (and was) rebuilt at the time anyway—all it would have needed would have been to align the northern Central Line escalators east-west (coming up where the Richard Serra eyesore currently is) instead of north-south to their present exit next to Liverpool Street platform 1, and renaming the tube station "Liverpool Street–Broad Street". The Waterloo and City Line could have been extended from Bank to Liverpool Street with minimal effort (the right-of-way has been reserved since its original opening) if they'd wanted to make cross-London travel a bit easier. ‑ Iridescent 21:16, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

Personally, I've always thought that item looked more reliable that most of the rolling stock on the Northern line. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:27, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

Christ on a bike, do we really need an article on that? The only thing it's notable for is as a way for drunk Essex lads to avoid the 20p charge for the Liverpool Street urinals. ‑ Iridescent 21:43, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

A fitting tribute, I think. Glad you don't live in somewhere fashionable, like Prague? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:56, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

What is (AFAIK) unique to central London (and a few areas of outer London with big sporting crowds like Twickenham) are the pop-up urinals, which emerge automatically from the ground shortly before pub closing times and big sporting events and disappear once the crowds have dispersed. Amazingly, Wikipedia doesn't seem to have an article. ‑ Iridescent 18:08, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

Probably because everyone thinks you're taking the piss. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 18:15, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

"Do you wanna flake in that, luv?"

I'd get down on my knees, (dearie)

As the lovely Mel Sykes might say "... when I think about your GAs, I wet myself": [3] Martinevans123 (talk) 20:33, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

I keep getting Melanie Sykes (northern "luv") mixed up with Melanie Phillips (scary right-wing nutbag) - or is she one of the Spice Girls? - who I also get mixed up with the one in the Mamas & the Papas who wasn't Mama Cass. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:45, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

... and talking of Northern beer adverts... 'ave it!! Martinevans123 (talk) 20:51, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

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Reno Divorce

You deleted the page of the band Reno Divorce. Can you send me the text of that page? Thanks Johnny1971nl (talk) 12:32, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

@Johnny1971n: You need to enable email first - go to "preferences" and check "Enable email from other users" Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 13:34, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

@Ritchie333: I confirmed my emailadres. Please send me the text. Thanks Johnny1971nl (talk) 07:56, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

Just for my information

Seriously, and only because I want to perfect my understanding of policy and so on, what potential administrative action could there have been, and on what basis? Really, I'm just asking for my edification. EEng 02:38, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

Well technically any admin could have full protected the talk page or blocked everybody for edit warring, though as I said that would be a dumb thing to do and create a nice Streisand effect. (We need WP:STREISAND). Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 07:53, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

... you admins have to know where to draw the line, don't you? Martinevans123 (talk) 09:51, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

• Well, I suppose an admin could have done that, but I don't think it would pass muster as appropriate on review. Appropriate would have been a strong warning to whatshisname to stop removing the post, to an article talk page, of an experienced editor in good standing, regardless of his personal opinion of the post's worth. EEng 17:35, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

I'm a "tell them to stop squabbling and go write an encyclopedia" man myself. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 08:27, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

That's fine with me, just so long as it's clear who's in the wrong. Your comment at ANEW made it sound like that might be me. EEng 08:37, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for being understanding but the other editor you blocked is now operating under at least two other new IP addresses to make a number of fairly dubious edits. Grateful for thoughts on what might be done to sensibly handle this. This is quite unusual in my experience. Contaldo80 (talk) 11:42, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

I've addressed this on your talk page. If things get particularly bad, we might have to semi-protect the articles. In the meantime, lay off the reverts - I know having the article on the wrong version (particularly on an article you created from scratch) can be irritating, but sometimes these things are not as vitally important as you might think when you're not in the thick of it. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:54, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

The same editor that caused problems yesterday is back again today - they are based in Venice and their IP is 5.170.196.51 They have made repeated reversions to the Robert Sarah article without engaging in talk or justifying the amendment which has failed to achieve consensus and is designed to make a political statement (use of the term "LGBT ideology"). Any advice on how to handle please? I think they may be connected to editor User: Claíomh Solais (if not the same person). Thanks. Contaldo80 (talk) 09:38, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Article semi-protected for 3 days. That should put a lid on it. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 09:42, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Thank you. Contaldo80 (talk) 11:14, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Glee

OK--in that case, it's...well, you know. Snapping. Later! Drmies (talk) 11:57, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

It does sound bizarre, but if you google for "michigan glee club finger snapping" you'll find it does tie up - though the first news hit on that is Fox News - yuck. A bit of an odd choice of GA for me, though Rhonda very much likes classical choral music, so maybe not as odd as you might think. And as my first AfD -> GA exercise, it was a good discussion point when I first bumped into MelanieN, who subsequently convinced me to go for adminship .... funny how these things turn out. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:03, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Teamwork Barnstar
	Thank you for your help with The Rolling Stones article and for suggestions to improve it - it made my day. TheSandDoctor (talk) 16:31, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

You're welcome. I really want to get Queen to GA, because then that pretty much puts all the major rock bands up to at least GA, but I have no decent book sources, and the few I have looked at seem to be full of factual errors or skip basic information, like what exactly did the band do between 1970 and 1973, for one thing? And a problem for me personally is that for me, Queen basically finished on 24 November 1991 and I don't particularly give a monkeys about anything since then. Mark Blake's book is probably the best one going, so if I can pick that up, I will see what I can do about it, though even the reviews said "oh, this fact in the book isn't true" which doesn't exactly give me confidence. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 16:42, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Special Barnstar
	Thanks for the laughs - You always seem to save my sanity! :), Anyway keep up the great work and please never stop with the humour! :), Happy editing, –Davey2010Talk 17:07, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

I should have explained better

Look at some of Thememeshiterisdanker's other edits. They are clearly vandalism. Such as this edit on Johnny Test. The example I gave you before was of genre warring and the use of profanity. Bowling is life (talk) 20:40, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

Yup, I saw that one, but the later edits weren't obvious vandalism, so I've given them a straight warning to stop it. If they carry on edit-warring on that article, I'll block. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:43, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

Sounds good, thanks. Bowling is life (talk) 20:46, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

Nicknames of Donald Trump

Hi Ritchie, since you deleted the article, I will ask you, how do I create an article which is legitimately encyclopedic about the Nicknames of Donald Trump, that is, from secondary sources which talk about the use of and the impact of those nicknames? I tried a second time, but it was immediately deleted as a "recreation" even though it was substantially reduced to only secondary sources about notable nicknames. Here is the text and you can see for yourself that this aims to be encyclopedic. I feel like there might be forces that want to avoid controversy which are subjugating genuinely relevant material. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Keizers (talk • contribs) 20:45, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

Ask the community members who all voted "delete". Essentially, there are no sources that show the list itself is notable. Don't post text of deleted articles here. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:58, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

It's no longer a list, as I wrote, this is not helpful or constructive, so I will seek help elsewhere. Keizers (talk) 21:01, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rose Van Thyn

I'm not convinced about this closure for Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rose Van Thyn. All but one of the delete comments talk about the article having all it's sources from a single local newspaper. But that's clearly not true. While many articles are from The Times (Shreveport), one significant article is from The Town Talk of Alexandria, Louisiana which is half-way across the state, 200 km away. And these aren't small community papers either, they are both over 130 year old daily broadsheets each service a population of about a half-million people. If you were to eliminate all the deletes making this false claim (why haven't any of them retracted this statement?), the result is clear.

I'd have thought it would end up keep, or relist. Nfitz (talk) 21:10, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

Well NC defaults to keep, and the temperature on that AfD was so high that relisting would have caused more harm than good. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 08:49, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Yes a relist probably wouldn't have helped. Though given that almost every delete claim was simply not true (with the second source, from half-way across the state), I thought a keep would have sent a clearer, unequivocal message. I understand why the keep folks were upset (even though they article is somewhat borderline if it's all based on a single source - and that's why I'd failed to opine myself until I took a close look at what the sources actually were (major broadsheets), I was getting ready to say something when I noticed the close). But I don't really see what the deletionists are upset about (but I seldom do); normally show them the two sources, and they move off in search of weaker prey - I couldn't see a link between this, and ongoing cultural wars in the USA. (a watcher is quite happy to answer that one on my talk page!). But as you say, same net result. Nfitz (talk) 14:48, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

The no consensus barnstar

	The Civility Barnstar
	For bringing back no consensus as a reasonable closing option after one week at AfDs: I think that does a lot to promote community health and I am glad to see an admin choosing it, even if it means an article I think should be deleted stays. TonyBallioni (talk) 02:12, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Ironically, this is entirely unrelated to the above section. TonyBallioni (talk) 02:14, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Is a source from a Wordpress blog is fine

I want to know is it okay if a source Wordpress is fine? 173.33.242.218 (talk) 07:46, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Absolutely not - I could write a Wordpress blog this morning saying that Trump is secretly gay, for example. There's no possibility of establishing a reputation. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 08:25, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Alex Shih is bullying The Rambling Man

irrelevant waffle about TRM and Bishonen that's got nothing to do with me follows
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
This administrator (who claims to have divulged all his previous accounts but has not) has locked The Rambling Man's talk page because he doesn't want him to respond to this post: Future Perfect at Sunrise likes to revision delete comments about himself. I was able to get a screenshot of them before they disappeared. Here they are: Guys, it's 22 August, not 1 April. The British Library will never ban serious researchers from their site, especially at the behest of one who is more impeachable than Donald Trump (hcsteiP_sakuL/sr.acitamardaidepolcycne//:ptth). That's right - he obligingly confirmed his identity here on Wikipedia so that the authorities at Hamburg University can track his misuse of their facilities for online harassment Special:Permalink/795623618#Future Perfect at Sunrise is indisposed. He's suffering from logorrhoeia. Every time someone points out that his claim that the British Library site is being used by a banned user is false he reverts and blocks them. If he blocked Anna Frodesiak he would be de - sysopped, so you can find an analysis of his claims on her talk page c:Special:Permalink/224935884. He's been vandalising Wikipedia for years ([4] is an early example). His WP:CIR issues came to the fore early: [5]. On 12 June 2009 he described himself as a puppet of a sockmaster with "dark designs". The edit summary was heh.: no stopping me. On 5 December he claimed his sockpuppetry had been approved by ArbCom. The following day at Jack Merridew's talk page he described himself as a telerobotic mutant extraterrestrial teddy bear, having previously confirmed (17 November 2008) that his planet of origin was Neptune. On 13 December 2009 he confirmed that he had changed his username to conceal previous ArbCom sanctions. There was no mention of this in his RfA. 2A02:C7F:BE12:F800:9C65:6226:F4E4:4132 (talk) 10:32, 22 August 2017 (UTC) No prizes for guessing who just abused the revision deletion tool. ArbCom, anyone? Future Perfect at Sunrise knows his milieu - his last edit was to The Satanic Verses and his userpage has a picture of Wikipedia going up in flames (caption "must burn in Hell") alongside a chimpanzee which he claims is a photograph of himself. I'm not in the least surprised - he has enraged billions of Muslims (he's a Roman Catholic) with a claim that a picture of an Imam leading Friday prayers is Muhammad sitting on a camel. 86.138.103.31 (talk) 13:17, 22 August 2017 (UTC) This is out of character. He usually stands up for camels Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sermon of the roar of a camel. 2A00:23C0:7C02:3001:7D49:2C90:AC9E:779F (talk) 08:26, 23 August 2017 (UTC) Bishonen unlocked it the last time it happened so you can do the same. All the best, 2A00:23C0:8302:3A01:5D2E:8BB2:169F:29A5 (talk) 16:05, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

The Rambling Man has been editing today, so I don't know what you're talking about. I've never particularly dealt with FPAS, and AFAIK I get on with Bishonen. And I wasn't even editing Wikipedia regularly when my son was six months old (November '08). Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 16:18, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

Get over yourself, IP-hopping troll. Alex Shih has semiprotected The Rambling Man's talkpage against the likes of you, exclusively. Semiprotection doesn't stop the page owner or any other autoconfirmed editor from editing it. That's not even a little like the poorly-judged full protection I once removed from the page. Ritchie, yes, I love you too, but please don't leave those kinds of attacks on your page. Btw being from Neptune isn't a problem on Wikipedia. Bishzilla is from the bowels of the earth. Bishonen | talk 17:57, 24 August 2017 (UTC).

And I happen to hail from the bowels of Bishzilla. It's bowels, all the way down. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 19:23, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

This is all a complete waste of time and energy. This banned editor pops up all over the place, time after time, providing quotes, diffs etc (all of which are real, most of which are pertinent to the flagrant abuse that goes on around here) and eventually wherever the IP frequents gets locked down, so a new location is found, that one's locked down, a new location, a new IP, same material, that's locked down, rev-del'ed (for whatever good that does, it's all accurate). FPAS blocked me for reverting edits made to my own talk page when it was claimed I was proxying for this banned editor, where in actuality I was conversing with an IP I was unaware had been banned from the project. The current approach is completely unworkable and results in frustration and annoyance for regular editors and IPs (I don't actually want my talkpage to be semi-protected – there's nothing being written that doesn't have a basis in fact, and other IPs regularly contact me about the goings-on here, especially after various "admin" treatments, I don't want that to suddenly become unavailable at the whim of an admin who didn't even discuss it with me). There's too much "act first, think later" attitude going on at Wikipedia for the last year or two, it's not good enough. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:40, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

P.S. I don't feel as if I'm being bullied by Alex Shih at all, I think Alex is carrying out the standard approach which will not work, that's by no means bullying, just going with the masses. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:55, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Has anyone asked The Rambling Man if he wants to be prevented from conversing with unregistered editors? How would Bishzilla feel if an administrator put it about the entire community and the Arbitration Committee that she had alleged him to be "a self - declared sex worker"? That was done to poison the Arbitration Committee against The Rambling Man and encourage them to throw out the case (which they did), the result being that a fine administrator (The Rambling Man) has been de - sysopped. Check his contributions - he works his socks off for Wikipedia. Future Perfect at Sunrise, on the other hand, just goes around annoying everyone (the recent tip of the iceberg here: [6], [7], [8], [9], [10], [11], [12], [13], [14]).

This one I am quoting in full:

• Future Perfect, You may think that you can fool Pincrete by playing the role of the nice guy who wants to save them from my logorrhoea, and perhaps you may believe that this will work as to draw away attention from your failures, but we know you better than you think. Have you forgotten these old days where several users across Wikipedia accused you for abuse and misuse of admin privileges? Well I don't. Remember how you nearly entered the List of Former Admins? I am sure you do not want to risk this again, so please leave your WP:PA aside and comment about the discussion, not me. --SILENTRESIDENT 13:57, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

God bless, 77.98.55.85 (talk) 20:42, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

77.98.55.85 - either find an article to write, or fuck off, it's up to you. TRM has done several GA reviews and helps keep the Main Page in good shape. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:02, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

77.98.55.85, please, I don't know why I am being quoted with my stamp in a discussion I am not even involved in, but I could prefer this doesn't happen again. And if you HAVE to refer to past discussions, then at least do it properly by using the appropriate coding and diffs. --❤ SILENTRESIDENT ❤ 07:36, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

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AN/I

Thanks for closing that discussion. However, it's clear that my actions at AN/I over the past 24 hours have caused considerable disquiet and I'd value your feedback, if you have a little time to spare. GoldenRing (talk) 10:50, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

@GoldenRing: The only legitimate bit of criticism I can really give is that if you close an ANI thread, and the participants carry on discussing anyway, then just leave it -another admin will come along and whack them on the head. Reverting tends to add more fuel to the fire. I have worked with John and Flyer22 on several occasions; I think it's obvious that I tend to take John's side on BLP, but Flyer22 is a good-faith editor who contributes hugely to articles I don't want to go anywhere near, so respect to them is due. I remember a blazing row over Brad Pitt about 4 years ago, so I think these two just aren't going to see eye to eye, and it's best to just let them have their say and ensure that it doesn't disrupt any content or other editors. The thing about your narrow pass at RfA was below the belt and uncalled for, in my view. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:25, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

Cary Grant

I'm afraid the old Orry Kelly proposal has come up again at Cary Grant via an IP editor. The IP has added the information twice and been reverted. Basically the same information & ref from last year's discussion about it. Possible sock? We hope (talk) 18:49, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

I haven't got a clue about socks, but as far as content goes, that appears to be not a particularly great source to cite to, particularly with all the book sources used, so I don't think there's consensus to put it in. Plus you've got the talk page discussion showing consensus anyway. So I'd say if the IP does one more revert, we could be looking at sanctions. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 18:57, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

Have asked the IP to start a TP discussion, guess we'll need to see what happens. Thanks! :) We hope (talk) 19:01, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Levallois-Perret attack

Hi Why do you not relist the AfD ? --Panam2014 (talk) 00:22, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

The existing discussion was descending into name calling; a relist would have just let that carry on. This would not be good. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 07:31, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

User: 174.16.155.182 is Social justice warring

User:174.16.155.182 is on a one person campaign against perceived isms such as "anti-sex work", "fat shaming" and the term "gypsy". Never mind that at the time of the Black Dahlia murder and Ted Bundy, no one used the freaking term "sex worker" or "Romani". I'll ask others for help too Paul Benjamin Austin (talk) 20:13, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

I have blocked the IP for 3 hours, which should be enough time to get an explanation and / or revert everything. I see Berean Hunter has asked for one. I have used the term "prostitution" in plenty of London GAs, so there's definitely consensus for it. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:18, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

Now back to their antics as User:LucretiaIPRE. Paul Benjamin Austin (talk) 20:33, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

• sigh* I've reverted one of their edits. I've also remembered that Whitechapel murders, not just a featured article but one of my favourite all-time reads on Wikipedia, uses "prostitute" in the lead. If a reliable source doesn't name somebody as a prostitute, that's a different matter, but that's not the case here. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:37, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

Hi, LucretiaIPRE here. The terms "prostitute" and "gypsy" are offensive and should not be used. I'm especially concerned with Jane Does who are IDed as "prostitutes"--these women are already dead, they don't need to be offended again. Also, it is unnecessary to say that a dead woman was "overweight," but not say that another woman is "thin." Again, they're already dead. How does this affect you? It doesn't. It's just giving dignity to the dead.LucretiaIPRE (talk) 20:42, 27 August 2017 (UTC)User:LucretiaIPRE

You have WP:NOCONSENSUS for your imposition of far-left political views on Wikipedia. *SHOUTING* NO ONE FREAKING USED THE TERM SEX WORKER AT THE TIME OF THE BLACK DAHLIA OR TED BUNDY. JACK THE RIPPER WAS REPORTED TO MURDER PROSTITUTES NOT "SEX WORKERS". Paul Benjamin Austin (talk) 20:49, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @LucretiaIPRE: Please see WP:EUPHEMISMS. If a reliable source uses a non-euphemistic term, then use it. Would you prefer that everyone in said business be termed "temporary hired procreation partners"? Okay. Thank you for your opinion. But Wikipedia is not your opinion. -A lad insane (Channel 2) 20:53, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not censored - indeed, people might find the Whitechapel murders upsetting full stop, but it doesn't stop it being a FA here. Joy Division, another FA, doesn't directly use "prostitute", but House of Dolls, where the band got their name from, does it use it. Additionally, Ipswich serial murders, a Good Article also uses "prostitute" in the lead. If sources use the word "prostitute" and it is accurate, we should use if it gets the information across. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:51, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

I have not edited it when used in a quote or in the title of a source. We no longer use offensive terms for Black or Asian people in these articles, even though they were used historically, so I don't quite understand how this is different. There's also no need to yell. LucretiaIPRE (talk) 20:58, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

And mainstream media is more likely to use the word "prostitute" than they would the N-word. -A lad insane (Channel 2) 21:12, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

That's probably why there isn't a gansta rap collective called P.W.A then. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:17, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

• (talk page stalker) This is the first time I've heard anyone opine that "prostitute" is offensive. However, I've heard many times that "black" (as in "We no longer use offensive terms for Black or Asian people in these articles") is offensive. So if you're willing to take some advice from someone who's completely uninvolved in any of this, here's mine: don't remove any material that you deem offensive. Different people have different standards, and Wikipedia cannot cater to all of those different standards while maintaining its status as an encyclopedia. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 21:53, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

Accounts paired with respective IPs

• LucretiaIPRE (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• 174.16.155.182 (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · proxy check · block user · block log · cross-wiki contribs · CheckUser (log))
• Fox933 (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• 82.44.87.217 (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · proxy check · block user · block log · cross-wiki contribs · CheckUser (log))
• BlissFollower (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• 12.131.200.186 (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · proxy check · block user · block log · cross-wiki contribs · CheckUser (log))
• Talk:Violence against prostitutes#We should be using 'sex worker' not 'prostitutes'

• This has a confirmed sock that tries to implement the move and could be the orchestrator of that thread and the above accounts. Fits his MO.

Unlikely related to the above socking but related by subject

• Brooke2796 (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)

• If these contribs were what this student did for that class then she should have flunked.

• Emmabenyosef (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)

• Classmate meatpuppet for the above with this.

Forgetting the last two as an aside, I think somebody is up to no good and Lucretia has been acting a little on the evil side.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 03:40, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) That demeans evil. We should call it the 'less-good' community :) — fortunavelut luna 08:10, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Banned editor #2

Okay, the confirmed sock that I mentioned above is a banned editor that many of us recognize by two names. This is interesting because I believe that another banned editor is involved unless the two turn out to be the same. There are similarities but I haven't done a thorough enough analysis for that comparison.

The thread Talk:Violence against prostitutes#We should be using 'sex worker' not 'prostitutes' was started by 24.239.124.140 (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · proxy check · block user · block log · cross-wiki contribs · CheckUser (log)) who also made this interesting edit for more political correctness as apparently committing suicide should be replaced by completing suicide. They also posted this at Online predator. Given that activity, I'm going to suggest that the IP is banned editor #2 who started this thread and sings the same tune as the above socks with this thread and also edited the Online predator article.

So did banned editor #1 assist banned editor #2 by way of this confirmed sock in this thread or are they the same editor? If different, then one of the two is probably the sockmaster for the accounts that I listed above.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 14:48, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

I guess the distinction between "prostitutes" and "whores" (and I can't remember which historical book had one, but there apparently is) is a moot point here, then? Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 22:17, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Outside of, inside of

Ritchie, I need to break the news to you that the "of" is plain bad English, in any variety. It seems to occur most in AmEng. This redundancy is very different from "the inside of the cell", which involves quite different grmmar. Tony (talk) 09:02, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Actually, the whole sentence could do with a copyedit as it looks clunky - now done. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 10:01, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Edit summaries

Hello. I know what edit summaries are - I use them all the time. Have a look at my contributions. If it's a minor edit, it isn't necessary. Please don't patronise me with a template message. Thanks. Cloudbound (talk) 17:50, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

You haven't used them in any of the edits I looked at today ([15],[16],[17],[18],[19]) so I wasted time working out whether they were good faith or something else. I can't read your mind so I don't know if it's a minor edit (and your opinion of whether the edit is "minor" may be different to mine, or indeed, anyone else's). Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:51, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Well thanks for the note of mistrust. They were minor, and were marked as minor. I've been trying to answer you but you keep editing your original message. You could have written a short note, rather than going straight for the template. Cloudbound (talk) 17:55, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Well here's your short note - other editors are not mind readers, explain yourself. I'm sure half the silly drama-wars that happen around here were just miscommunication at cross purposes that got out of hand. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:57, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Do I need to add a full edit summary for changing a spelling? Cloudbound (talk) 18:03, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding edit summaries. The thread is Use of edit summaries. I think it would be good to open this discussion up. Thanks. Cloudbound (talk) 18:11, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

• Why don't you two enjoy a nice WP:COOLDOWNBOCK together on me? EEng 19:14, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

• And here's a summary conviction to save you both the bother of going to court. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:43, 29 August 2017 (UTC) ...ah shucks, you just did.

• I'd say I'll take a kick up the arse from EEng as punishment, but one (or both) of us might find that kinky..... Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 19:59, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Better than "baring your arse in Burton's Shop window", of course. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:02, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

A beer for you!

Everyone needs a beer, every now and again. You are one of the good'uns - don't let it get to you Scr★pIronIV 20:18, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Favorite kitteh is here and is interested in purring in your lap when you feel grouchy. kthxbai

— Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 13:02, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Nice pussy, Mrs slocumb!" — fortunavelut luna 13:24, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Let me link stroke in the caption and then you can bear a grudge for over 12 months? Martinevans123 (talk) 20:16, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Future Discworld

Threesie, a special exciting ITN-type peep into the future of world order, just for you!

Kinda flat, ain't it. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:16, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Let me introduce you to the exciting world of Tila Tequila, failed celebrity, model, musician and Nazi stormtrooper, who once tweeted about 25 times in 10 minutes that THE WORLD IS FLAT GODDAMMIT Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:22, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Ok, ok!! No need to get into a big pissiffik. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:35, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

Opinion please? on a band article

Hi, Ritchie! Could you take a look at the article Twiddle (band) and see if it qualifies to stay here? I notice that it has been speedied twice before, but it now has at least one mainstream source (HuffPo). I came across it because I had to protect it - there's recently been ton of edit warring, inserting unsourced puffery, adding and removing albums, etc., from brand new SPAs. I don't know enough about band articles to know if it meets NBAND or not. Mind taking a look? Thanks! --MelanieN (talk) 22:29, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

@MelanieN: It's a marginal case; there is a small amount of coverage, but the disruption on the article makes me wince. I'm tempted to AfD it, but I'll have a proper look round first. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 06:08, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for the barnstar – it's nice when somebody notices the little things, and barnstars are an underused reward. You keep up your good work, too!

Ira

Ira Leviton (talk) 02:47, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

You're welcome. I do sometimes come across as a grump to people who edit articles I've spent ages on, but I think there's selection bias at play there - because when somebody makes a good edit to one of those, I don't need to say anything so nobody notices. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:57, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Meh

Usually I agree with you. Sorry I didn't today. -- Begoon 13:41, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

I've got no issue with people disagreeing with me - except maybe if the way they do it is dick-ish (which yours absolutely wasn't) in which case I'll probably ignore them. If I hid in an echo chamber surrounded by sycophants all day long, I'd never learn anything. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 13:50, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)"And no one sings me lullabies, And no one makes me close my eyes". Martinevans123 (talk) 14:07, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

True, in the end... -- Begoon 01:05, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Euston railway station

On 2 September 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Euston railway station, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the navigator and cartographer Matthew Flinders is thought to be buried under Platform 15 at Euston railway station? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Euston railway station. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Euston railway station), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Alex Shih^Talk 00:04, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Chiltern Main Line RDT

Template:Chiltern Main Line RDT has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Jc86035 (talk) 10:54, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

@Jc86035: A discussion here (or on Talk:Marylebone station, or any of the template talk pages) might have been a first good step. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:03, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

Sorry about that; usually I only nominate templates which aren't in use. Did the TfD notice mess up the article (sometimes Twinkle does that with table formatting)? I can't see it now because you've already deleted the template. Jc86035 (talk) 11:22, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

It dropped one of the usual "this template is considered for deletion" messages at the top of the template, which overspilled the box a bit. In any case, it was always the ultimate intention to delete the template anyway; I just couldn't fix the original template into a state where I could do so. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:26, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

Michael Wollny

... played a great concert with friend, so I translated more than a stub from German. I am not too familiar with jazz terminology, - please check. I'll add, and translate the refs, later. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:18, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

My approaches to editing

Hi Ritchie333, you brought up the Candice Hutchings AfD. I admit I could have handled that better. In particular, I shouldn't have started the COIN thread while the AfD was taking place - it came dangerously close to canvassing. An SPA tag would have been kinder and just as effective as the note I left under the voter's comment. That's not to say that the nomination or the COI concerns were not valid - I think they were then and still are, but the AfD was not the venue to raise them.

I would like to hear what other of my "approaches" you take issue with. I take all feedback to heart. Thanks, Rentier (talk) 10:14, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

@Rentier: I think it's just generally being slightly over-aggressive to COI editors. I would recommend just putting the tags on and sending the articles to AfD without comment. Explain in a disinterested tone what the issues are and leave it at that. I believe it's possible to have good paid editing (eg: my frequently quoted example of "we will pay you $5 for every unreferenced BLP you completely source and is validated by another, neutral editor"), it's just most if not all examples we come across are not.

In the specific case of Candice Hutchings, I've got no real issue with you starting an AfD and saying "can't find any sources [search link], no way of improving this" - ie: keeping the debate focused on the article. In this instance, I didn't really want to bring this up, as it was only to try and demolish an argument that everyone who disagreed with this COI editor were friends and in collusion with each other, which is nonsense. But also I think it's reasonable that if you're going to talk about another editor, to bring them into the discussion so they're aware of it. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 10:23, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

I was surprised to see it mentioned in a venue such as the AN, but I suppose it's a well-deserved WP:BOOMERANG :) No disagreement with your assessment and recommendation. Don't hesitate to drop me a line should you have any concerns in the future. Rentier (talk) 11:43, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

99.104.66.69

Hi, I see that you're active at the moment. Could you take a look at [20] and see if you could revoke TPA please? Thanks –72 _(talk) 14:33, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

Done. Somebody needs to find a new hobby. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 14:36, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

AN/I notification

I mentioned you at a section I started at AN/I. The section heading is Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#User:Two.25.45.251. Yngvadottir (talk) 18:30, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

I've replied. As you probably know, I've got a thick skin and if people come here and say "you know something Ritchie333, I think you're an asshole", it generally stands because of WP:NOTCENSORED. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 10:27, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

London Waterloo station

Careful analysis of timetabled movements from Waterloo. The published timetables do back it up, I just need to work out the most efficient way of inserting the citations, as SWR's service groups aren't split all that logically. There were some services straight up missing in the previous version, which I've added (Woking stoppers, Poole stoppers), some services which were simply non existant (an additional 4 fast tph to Guildford), but mainly I just rearranged the way in which existing services were described. 146.198.99.121 (talk) 15:03, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

The problem is, you removed a source that was in the article, which was a pointer to official online timetables from SWR. I spent about two hours a few weeks back nitpicking through the timetables and determining all the tphs and services and I got a sore head from the end of it - and while I do use the trains quite a bit to travel to family in SW London, I haven't memorised them! So if you want to change stuff, you've got to either a) explain why the source is wrong, or b) explain why the source is right and the article is wrong. This is why you get the message "Encyclopedic content must be verifiable" when you edit. It's also why it's vitally important to leave an edit summary so people can work out what's going on. That another editor reverted this with a summary of "wrong timetable" leads me to wonder if the whole lot is, in fact, wrong. (I've got a sinking feeling that Waterloo Station is going to fail GAN now on GA criteria #5 "stablity"). Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 15:07, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

Woolwich Ferry

Hello. You've just reverted my edit with the comment "British English, please". I am British, and I always try to write accordingly. As far as I can tell, my minor edit had nothing to do with British English. Help me to understand. Eric Blatant (talk) 15:42, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

@Eric Blatant: I'll start off with a disclaimer that this is what I think is right, and if a talk page stalker rebukes me and tells me I'm talking rubbish, I'll self revert .... anyway, the basic idea is that a collective noun denoting a group or organisation of people (in this case, Briggs Marine) are referred to in British English as plural, but in American English as singular (See MOS:PLURALS) The most obvious form is in groups and bands eg: "The Rolling Stones are an English rock band" vs. "Aerosmith is an American rock band". In this specific case, "control of the crossing passed from Serco to Briggs Marine, who were expanding" follows suit accordingly. The change from "7-year" to "seven-year" was okay, so I've put that back in. Sorry, must have missed that :-/ Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 15:51, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

Is it possible to delete Draft:Lord Aleem?

Lost interest in creating this guys page, and no one else cares to edit it. Possible to delete?

AnsarAction (talk) 16:44, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

Sure, as you've been the only significant contributor to it, I can deleted it per WP:CSD#G7 Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 16:46, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

Who waz Lord Aleem, just out of curiosity? — fortunavelut luna 16:50, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

Ah, a YouTuber? Ok, no worries. — fortunavelut luna 16:51, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

Here you go Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 16:52, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

Should have listened to you first thought i could make an interesting biography not enough good sources. Also novice editor! Thanks. AnsarAction (talk) 16:57, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

FYI

Hello R. I wanted to make you aware that a couple IPs (but likely the same person) are reverting your edit here. You might want to start a talk page thread about your concerns. If not no worries. Best regards. MarnetteD|Talk 19:19, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

I've asked for semi-protection; I believe WP:3RRBLP means I can take out the source to the Daily Mail and the onus is on the other party to come back with a better source. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 19:42, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

I already changed the source, so there's no need for a protected. 174.192.30.131 (talk) 19:47, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

Michael Brandon

Just wanted to give you a heads up about it, I've recently made some changes to the sources and added more appropriate sources instead of the daily mail source stuff, I apologize for the misunderstanding about it, please try not to ask for it to be protected, because I helped fixed it and made it more appropriate. Thanks! 174.192.25.214 (talk) 20:15, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

P.S. I also apologize if my IP address keeps changing, my connection is really weird and my IP keeps on changing at random times. 174.192.25.214 (talk) 20:15, 5 September 2017 (UTC)