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DBigXray

No action taken. Lord Roem ~ (talk) 00:23, 6 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

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Request concerning DBigXray

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: GenuineArt (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 18:08, 3 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: DBigXray (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Search CT alerts: in user talk history • in system log

Sanction or remedy to be enforced: WP:ARBIPA
Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

Noting that there is a limit of "20 diffs", I am presenting recent diffs where DBigXray has falsely accused editors of paid editing, socking and violated other forms of WP:NPA/WP:BATTLE:

2 December: WP:ASPERSIONS was violated because DBigXray accuses the discussants of this and this discussion to be engaging in paid editing/COI, despite no editor has been ever reported or ever convicted of paid editing or COI.
2 December: WP:ASPERSIONS: continuing unfounded allegation of paid editing by saying that the "statement is coming from a written affidavit on an offline mail chain/forum"
5 December: WP:NPA: "Revert mindless tagging by POV Pusher"
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:1984_anti-Sikh_riots&diff=872127465&oldid=872124942 5 December]: WP:CIVIL: ""Lot of crap has existed for many years on an article" is not a justification to restore crap back to the article."
7 December: WP:ASPERSIONS: continuing unfounded allegation of paid editing by saying "discussion was canvassed with COI and SPA accounts".
7 December: WP:NPA and WP:BATTLE: "your Pro Khalistani and anti-congress POV here"
16 December: WP:ASPERSIONS: Checking the block logs of AfD, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pakistan administered Kashmir, there was only 1 user who was a sock out of 19 discussants as of 16 December. But DBigXray makes unfounded allegations that "this AfD was SOCK and MEAT infested"
16 December: WP:ASPERSIONS: Claims an editor to be a "Blocked user now on IP" and to this day this allegation remains unfounded.
18 December: WP:BATTLE, WP:ASPERSIONS: Makes unfounded allegations about 11 editors to be engaging in meat puppetry or sock puppetry by saying "one can see several of these nationalistic editors... cannot possibly participate in these India-Pak deletion discussion, and hence the need to mobilize other editors (or SOCK) from the larger groups who are not (yet) sanctioned by Arbcom"
18 December: WP:BATTLE: Doubles down with the unfounded allegations by saying that he has "responded above with the evidence of clique based voting", however no actual "evidence" has been produced.
18 December: WP:CIVIL: "If you know nothing about Indian languages then this problem is even more severe, you ae forcing your lack of knowledge onto others."
18 December: WP:FOC and WP:CIVIL: "No I cant help you to read"
23 December: WP:FOC and WP:BATTLE: "This kind of extremist attitude will soon lead you to a site ban if you do not improve".
24 December: WP:ASPERSIONS: No blocked users participated in the DRV yet DBigXray claims that "even the DRV has not been spared by the puppet masters."
24 December: WP:ASPERSIONS: Makes unfounded allegation of sock puppetry with the comment "Talk about sock and more socks appear"
29 December: WP:ASPERSIONS and WP:BATTLE: In place of filing SPI with proper evidence, DBigXray tries to get rid of an opponent by making unfounded accusations of other user being a sock and demands them to be blocked as soon as possible.
29 December: WP:ASPERSIONS and WP:BATTLE: Like above, DBigXray makes unfounded allegation his opponent is a sock of a banned editor and requests a "WP:NOTHERE block".

All of these incidents came after a warning from ANI that this sort of behavior will result in block.

I believe that these diffs qualifies as the clear evidence to establish that there is a recurring pattern of disruption. While there are issues with use of poor sources, wikihounding contributors, copyvio, and other problems, I decided to leave them due to limit of diffs. GenuineArt (talk) 18:08, 3 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@GoldenRing:: DBigXray has been already warned about possibility of topic ban under WP:ARBIPA.[1] Before that he was warned for his 1RR violation.[2] More recently, DBigXray was warned after drawing enough complaints for his overall behavior on ANI from November. This warning was also posted on DBigXray's talk page.[3] The reported misconduct came after all these warnings.

There has not been one editor who was convicted of COI in both of these discussions (1, 2). But DBigXray, just like here, has been adamant with his unsubstantiated claims that both of these discussions involve paid/COI editors. He had been told by Amakuru (an administrator) to stop labelling editors as COI editors without proper investigation on an appropriate noticeboard but DBigXray refused (User talk:DBigXray/Archive2018 2#Jaggi Vasudev).

The claims of sock puppetry against users made by DBigXray have been misleading because there hasn't been any example that was referred as "sock" by DBigXray and they later ended up getting blocked as sock in the cited examples. DBigXray made 7 reverts in only 4 days on Rafale deal controversy against 5 editors in total. Pattern also includes engagement in non-neutral editing and use of very poor sources [4] despite being told to do otherwise.[5] Due to diff limit I can't provide more evidence of problematic editing including misrepresentation of sources, deliberate wikihounding of opponents, but bottom line is that DBigXray behavior has only worsened even after those many warnings by admins. I don't think one more warning will create any difference.

One can also take a clue from this report where AGK asked DBigXray to trim down the statement, yet DBigXray refused to trim. DBigXray only does what he wants and same thing happens everywhere else, no mater what is being said to him. GenuineArt (talk) 11:54, 4 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Sandstein: I have added the brief explanations now that how those diffs contain violation of conduct policy or guideline. GenuineArt (talk) 13:36, 4 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

If discretionary sanctions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts): [6]

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested: diff

Discussion concerning DBigXray

Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator.
Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks.

Statement by DBigXray

Relevant threads for the Dispute at Jaggi Vasudev

diffs have been copied and response inline for ease of reading.

2 December 2018: the PR machinery of Jaggi Vasudev [7]

The exact comment was "Note to admin It is clear to me that based on the !voters at Talk:Jaggi Vasudev and here, the PR machinery of Jaggi Vasudev and the members of the Friends and Fan club of Jaggi Vasudev have been mobilised enmasse to filibuster and bludgeon the move process. What is more interesting is that some of them are even tag teaming and edit warring [8][9][10] to hat !votes that are against their POV."

In my comment at MRV I had not taken any names and by the phrase "PR machinery" and "fan club" I was referring to the 3 editors who I had tagged in the RM discussion. In my comment at MRV I had also noted that I was annoyed by the reverts of the other set of 3 editors who were taking turns, to hat and hide an MRV comment, that disagreed with their own opinion. After getting reverted a second time by this set of editors at MRV, I made this comment as a note to the closing editor to not discount the hatted comment, and also made a thread at the MRV talk page to bring this disruptive hatting to the notice of other MRV participants to revert it. After a while another editor Erik, expressed his concern at this biased hatting calling it totally wrong and the hatting was removed by another editor here, Strangely, this time no tag-teamer reverted him to hat it again or protested against unhatting.

My note above at Move review was responded [11] by Rzvas. saying "No one here is paid by Sadhguru."

2 December: "that sort of statement is coming from a written affidavit on an offline mail chain/forum"[12]

The actual comment was my response to Rzvas.

"Although I did not claim so, but your statement that "none of them are paid by Sadhguru" is interesting. I assume that sort of statement is coming from a written affidavit on an offline mail chain/forum that in my opinion, seems to be going on. It would be interesting to know what else is mentioned over there. Knowing that one of these participants on the talk page User:Regstuff has already been site banned for Paid editing."

As I explained above I had given my reasons to believe that "The RM discussion was canvassed with COI and SPA accounts,". Another editor at the MRV discussion had expressed concern at the passionate comments [13] by an MRV participant, who did not disclose it in his first comment but later on admitted on the same thread that he was "influenced" by the teaching of Jaggi Vasudev. I take this admission further vindication of my comment above.

7 December: "Consensus is not counting of the heads but on the weight of the argument. The RM discussion was canvassed with COI and SPA accounts, so the number game should not be used to claim a consensus here.".[14]

I have already explained above why I said this and the three COI/SPA accounts [15] of RM discussion

18 December: "If you know nothing about Indian languages then this problem is even more severe, you are forcing your lack of knowledge onto others."[16]
18 December: "No I cant help you to read"[17]

The relevant thread for this discussion is at Talk:Jaggi Vasudev#Hatnote

This was a discussion about a hatnote that ErikHaugen had added and B2C had removed. Hatnote = "Sadhguru" redirects here. For other uses, see Satguru, should be restored. The removal of this obviously useful hatnote is non constructive and misleading users (looking for Satguru) and leading them to this page with no alternative route to the article they may be looking for. Sat/Sad/Sadh are phonetically same for Indian languages. a discssion on this B2C stated that "I know nothing about this subject other than what I've learned from looking at usage in English sources." and claimed that he did not believe any reader looking for Satguru would type Sadhguru on english wiki. To this comment I had replied that "If you know nothing about Indian languages then this problem is even more severe, you are forcing your lack of knowledge onto others. A large population of Indian population writes Satguru as Sadhguru in english" After which I gave multiple examples[18] of people using variants of the word Satguru/Sadhguru/Sadguru.

The list of 20 examples was provided, yet B2C asked[19] me to reduce the list to only those using Sadhguru, as well as Notable enough for wikipedia [20]. My response [21] "No, I cant help you to read. Remember, Notability is for Topic, RS is for content, dont mix the two."

5 December: ""Lot of crap has existed for many years on an article" is not a justification to restore crap back to the article."[22]

This is related to the ongoing content dispute at Talk:1984 anti-Sikh riots Where Orientls has added [23] controversial content into the infobox of the article that I had objected to. Orientls responded falsely claiming consensus, to quote, [24] "People have reached a consensus here. Show us where was consensus for edit because it existed here for many years "

I responded to his claim of many years and clarified that the dispute was still not resolved.[25]

5 December: "Revert mindless tagging by POV Pusher"[26]
7 December: "your Pro Khalistani and anti-congress POV here"[27]

Relevant thread for context Talk:1984_anti-Sikh_riots

In my comment responding to the controversial and highly inflated casualty figures in Sikh riots, being added into the infobox with poor sources,

quoting myself from the talk page discussion " it appears as though your understanding of what constitutes a reliable source is very poor. In link 1 the author says Sikhs have "said" 20,000 were killed. Here in 2nd link [28] you are quoting the numbers stated by the "president of Khalistan council" as a reliable source. in the third link you are trying to pass the belief of the blogger as fact, to quote the blog "It is widely believed that at least 20,000"... As has been already called what you have been doing here is a clear cherry picking of biased and unreliable source that has printed wild allegations on the numbers, in an obvious attempt to inflate the casualty figures of the infobox and the article lead. This is a blatant disregard of WP:NPOV and WP:RS to push your Pro Khalistani and anti-congress POV here."

16 December: "this AfD was SOCK and MEAT infested"[29]
18 December: "one can see several of these nationalistic editors... cannot possibly participate in these India-Pak deletion discussion, and hence the need to mobilize other editors (or SOCK) from the larger groups who are not (yet) sanctioned by Arbcom"[30]
18 December: "responded above with the evidence of clique based voting"[31]
24 December: "even the DRV has not been spared by the puppet masters."[32] (despite no blocked editor participated here)
24 December: "Talk about sock .."[33]

Relevant thread for context of the above 5 diffs.

At the DRV Cunard had first raised the point about the possibility of nationalistic editors participating in the AfD based on his own observation from Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/India-Pakistan#Sockpuppets, and the "India-Pakistan" logs at Wikipedia:Arbitration enforcement log. another editor had asked evidence for sock/meat so I responded with the evidence that I had collected that had made me to suspect the sock/meat puppetry in this AfD. I added my own observation and evidence. So I see myself as suspecting an obvious problem and sharing my viewpoint along with the evidence that I collected.

Later on after a few days of the closure of AfD 2 of the AfD participants were blocked as Socks [34] while the DRV was ongoing.

Joe Roe, who had closed the DRV had noted in his closing statement [35] that "The original AfD was affected by sockpuppetry/meatpuppetry"

16 December: "Blocked user now on IP"[36]

Special:Contributions/Bassem.gergess was already blocked for the same edits after which he returned with an IP [37]

23 December: "This kind of extremist attitude will soon lead you to a site ban if you do not improve".[38]

Relevant thread for this dispute on Talk:Rafale deal controversy

This topic is currently in the news, I started editing this on 23 December, immediately after my first revert, I joined the talk page discussion, and to resolve the issues if any.

MBlaze Lighting had made blanket reverts of my article improvements without adequately explaining his objections about the content. On the talk page, he added 5 diffs with personal attacks without explaining his real objections to the content he reverted, to this I responded "Instead of having a confrontational attitude against fellow editors that got you banned indefinitely from India pakistan articles by ArbCom [39] why don't you edit in a collaborative manner. This kind of extremist attitude will soon lead you to a site ban if you do not improve. I have explained my edits in the edit summary. you say you have succinctly outlined your concerns, but all I see above is your accusations and my diffs above, I need you to explain what you think is the problem with those edits (with evidence for your position) so that I can respond to it."

29 December: "This is clearly not a new user and a sock of someone....block this account Special:Contributions/FreeKashmiri for disruption and WP:NOTHERE, the sooner the better."[40]

Relevant thread User talk:cyberpower678#DBigXray

This new editor was making disruptive AfD nominations, He was aware of a month old thread at ANI closed by Cyberpower and was asking for my block for that. I noted [41] that this editor was engaging in disruptive edits and based on his edits appeared to me as a sock of someone. I suggested Cyberpower to block this account Special:Contributions/FreeKashmiri for disruption and WP:NOTHERE.

cyberpower agreed with my observation [42] saying this editor indeed appeared as a sock of someone.

29 December: "reminds me of another banned editor User:Towns Hill. recommend a WP:NOTHERE block"[43]

Relevant thread User talk:Kautilya3#Copyvio

This editor had been editing India Pakistan related articles with a Pro Pakistani bias. The editor also noted that they were in touch with others via emails [44] [45], which is an admission of edits based on offline mails. Based on their edit history they made similar edits (that were made previously by a banned editor) and filing complaints against users they did not even interact. Some example diffs diff, diff, diff, diff, so I had noted that there was a similarity in their editing patterns.

To conclude my response on the above allegations, I never had any disputes with GenuineArts so far. He had made a complaint against me few days back at ANI with intentions to get me sanctioned. I am not sure, but based on the recent multiple threads that had been started against me at ANI by a particular set of editors, I see that as a part of a concerted effort by this set of editors with whom I am having ongoing content disputes on articles. All these attacks against me have begun since 29 October when I participated in the WP:RM discussion at Talk:Jaggi Vasudev and voted oppose against the proposal. I regularly participate at WP:RMT amd WP:RM discussions, I had never edited the page Jaggi Vasudev before my participation at its RM discussion. The content dispute with some of "these editors" are still ongoing at Talk:Cow vigilante violence in India since 2014, Talk:Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, Talk:1984 anti-Sikh riots. "These editors", I am having disputes currently include Capitals00, MBlaze Lightning, Raymond3023, D4iNa4, Orientls, I note that 4 of these are also under indefinite India-Pakistan topic ban [46]. This thread at ARE is fifth such attempt (after 4 threads at ANI in a short period) in the ongoing efforts by participants of these content disputes, to bypass these content disputes by getting me sanctioned. --DBig Xrayᗙ 23:43, 3 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@AGK: I have made some more prunings, I have tried my best to be brief, but there are 20 diffs (400+ words) from multiple content disputes that I had to respond to and I also had to copy each diff so as to clarify which diff, I am responding to. 500 words ÷ 20 = 25 words per diff. I cannot possibly explain a diff in just 25 words so I would request the admins to accept this response.--DBig Xrayᗙ 00:01, 4 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I note that GenuineArts has now started added six month old difs and the difs/threads that have been already discussed at ANI before. Bbb23 in his closing statement of a recent ANI thread had also noted this dredging up of old threads. --DBig Xrayᗙ 16:29, 4 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@GoldenRing: I have participated in close to 500 AfDs, where one can review my contributions. I believe it is unfair to make assumptions on the basis of one or two controversial, sock disrupted AfDs. Regarding the Talk:Rafale deal controversy and Rafale threads 1 , 2, 3, it must be noted that others who participated in talk page are unwilling to even discuss the actual content. The article as it stands still has multiple issues of WP:OVERCITE, source misrepresentation, biased content etc. My contributions at the Rafale deal page had greatly improved the neutrality and content issues and it can be verified. At its talk page, I had made sincere attempts to discuss whatever objections Mblaze and others were having and yet the actual content problems have not been explained till date, in spite of asking several times. These editors were going to great lengths talking about editor but were clearly evading the fruitful discussion of the content. Since the Rafale thread is being mentioned here, I now feel that the comments on Rafale talk page were made more so, with intentions of using it at a report such as this on AE rather than reaching a consensus. --DBig Xrayᗙ 16:29, 4 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by WBG

GArt; do you think your edit-summary over this edit is any conducive to maintaining a collaborative and collegial editorial atmosphere? ∯WBG^converse 19:39, 4 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Result concerning DBigXray

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@DBigXray: At 2,100+ words, your response is over 4 times the allowed length. Would you please replace it with a clearer, shorter rebuttal of the principal concerns raised by this enforcement request? AGK ■ 23:47, 3 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I understand. While it's still over, your submission is now more manageable. Thank you. AGK ■ 11:38, 4 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I find a lot of this report underwhelming at first, especially since a lot of the socking / COI claims have since been vindicated. I do see a bit of a problem with DBigXray throwing these accusations around without requesting administrative action; if you're accusing someone of socking, you should really be making use of SPI or not making the accusation at all. And the more I see of DBigXray's TP style, the less I like it. The AfD linked above, the related DRV and various talk page threads I've come across have a distinct element of BLUDGEON to them. And this is a particularly fine example of stonewalling. I'm not sure whether any of this rises to the level of sanctions, but a logged warning here is going to be a minimum, IMO. I'm still thinking on it. GoldenRing (talk) 09:36, 4 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I'll not be taking action here because the request does not contain evidence that these were, in fact, false accusations of disruption, or explain how exactly the reported diffs violate any applicable Wikipedia conduct policy or guideline. Sandstein 12:44, 4 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not going to recommend any action either here, except to say that we are rapidly approaching the point at which the whole ARBIPA issue possibly needs to be elevated to ArbCom. I'm pretty sure most admins are thoroughly sick of WP:AN/WP:ANI/WP:AE/WP:AN3 being flooded with attempts from editors in that arena to have their "opponents" topic-banned or blocked, dealing with IP and registered socks, tag-teaming revert squads, terrible sourcing ... for example there is one report currently at ANI and four in the current archive... it needs to stop. Black Kite (talk) 15:47, 5 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Snooganssnoogans

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Request concerning Snooganssnoogans

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: Rajulbat (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 13:35, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: Snooganssnoogans (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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Sanction or remedy to be enforced: Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/American_politics_2#Discretionary_sanctions_(1932_cutoff)

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive215#Snooganssnoogans: Contains many diffs following a similar pattern of conduct as the one complained of here. Previous AE brought by User:TParis and resulting in the following sanction implemented by User:Dennis Brown on 24 May 2017: Snooganssnoogans is banned from mass editing in the area of American Politics post-1932 for an indefinite period of time. This means adding (more or less) the same material to more than two articles.

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive215#Snooganssnoogans (5/24/2017)
12/1/2018 - Inserted ", a pseudoscience," after "Creationism" in violation of WP:SYNTH;
Edit-warred over biased content 12/2/2018 - Edit warred over biased content.
12/2/2018 - edit-warred over non-NPOV phrasing improved by another editor.
12/11/2018 - Edit-warred over removing opinion framed in Wikipedia's voice, saying "No need to attribute."
12/2/2018 - Introduced blatantly non-NPOV language framed in Wikipedia's voice.
12/3/2018 - Agressive instance of WP:OWN.
12/3/2018 - Reverted sourced information added to article with the justification of "...cant access the book but it doesn look like a rs]
12/3/2018 - Insists on non-NPOV language like "X falsely claimed that...." in violation of WP:SYNTH
12/18/2018 - Edit-warred over "white supremacy" language.
12/9/2018 - Inserted non-NPOV language in violation of WP:SYNTH ("falsely claimed...")
12/26/2018 - Edit-warred over clearly non-NPOV language -- calling org "amateur website" as opposed to "fact-checking organization." See article history generally, exercised WP:OWNership.
12/4/2018 - Introduced patently non-NPOV language "alleged reports" -> falsehoods; "reporting false stories"; "false claim"... in violation of WP:SYNTH.
12/6/2018 - Reverted another user's improvement to an article because the sources cited "are by clowns."
12/4/2018 - edit-warred over non-NPOV content.
12/8-12/10/2018 - Edit-warred over non-NPOV content.
12/8/2018 - Introduced 'falsely claimed' in violation of WP:SYNTH
12/9/2018 - Edit-warred, called other user's addition "self-serving nonsense."
12/17-12/17/2018 - Edit-warring over POV.
12/17-12/18/2018 - Edit-warring.

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Mentioned multiple times by multiple users, including but not limited to, by User:TParis, User:Dennis_Brown, User:Sandstein, and User:Lord Roem at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive215#Snooganssnoogans (5/24/2017).

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

Snooganssnoogans primary purpose on Wikipedia appears to be to overload articles concerning conservative U.S. political figures or topics (examples: Mitch McConnell, Brigitte Gabriel, Mark Levin, Sean Hannity, Sebastian Gorka, Liberty University, etc.) with a negative slant. I ran into this user at the Mitch McConnell page. I looked up that congressman's article by chance when he was mentioned in the news. In subsequent discussion it became clear that he was only interested in reflecting one point of view. This led me to review his contributions in other articles, which led me to file a complaint at the ANI, where it was suggested that the appropriate venue is here. There have been over 11,000 edits since the last time his conduct was up for review here. His chronic NPOV issue has not been corrected.

@Salvio giuliano: As a means of showing it's not a content dispute, I'm perfectly happy to accept a ban on interacting with this user. His edits are an issue. ~~I'm not going to comb through 11,000 diffs~~ to point out which ones, especially because someone before me had already done that. The issue has been raised. If no one else sees an issue, then I'll just crawl back into my little corner and edit Wikipedia here and there when I get the chance. School's starting back up anyway. I was just horrified by what I saw as a drawn out attack on Wikipedia's neutrality in this particular domain.--Rajulbat (talk) 14:52, 10 January 2019 (UTC).[reply]
- ~~I'm fine with you guys closing this~~. @Beyond My Ken: Um, that's not true. Congress is bicameral. But this is not the place to talk about it.--Rajulbat (talk) 17:52, 10 January 2019 (UTC).[reply]
  - @Black Kite: ~~I share your opinion regarding time wasted~~.--Rajulbat (talk) 18:53, 10 January 2019 (UTC).[reply]
    - Under protest, I have provided 20 or so diffs. His anti-neutral editing practices are readily discernible from his list of contributions, but I'm jumping through the hoops here in the hopes that someone takes action. As for "open[ing] up proceedings investigating [my] edits," @Drmies, go right ahead. I have nothing to hide.--Rajulbat (talk) 22:25, 10 January 2019 (UTC).[reply]
      - On the punitive measures you guys are considering (short- to mid-term topic ban or warning on vexatious complaints), my input is that all three would have the same effect. My takeaway from this experience is that you don't consider Snoo's civil POV-pushing a problem here. I thought for sure it would be. I'm not active enough on Wikipedia for a temporary topic ban to have any effect. You see, I will have no time to edit (except for correcting a typo here and there or rescuing a dead link) during the semester that starts on Monday and ends in May. I think Snoo is civilly wiki-campaigning (the opposite of NPOV) on a schedule that outpaces a 40-hr workweek; he seems to think that's OK; I think it's antithetical to the noble purpose and lofty pillars of Wikipedia; you guys seem to think it's OK, or at least, "not sanctionable."--Rajulbat (talk) 14:59, 11 January 2019 (UTC).[reply]

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

[47]

Discussion concerning Snooganssnoogans

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Statement by Snooganssnoogans

I'd just like to point out that in #14, I'm defending Tim Scott, the sole African-American Republican Senator, from poorly sourced attacks on his intellect and competence.[48] Snooganssnoogans (talk) 23:24, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think the editor Rajulbat should be sanctioned. His/Her history of contributions look like valuable contributions to the project before the editor ventured into American politics a couple of days ago. The editor just seems to misunderstand Wikipedia policy. Editing in American politics, and understanding how Wikipedia policy is applied on controversial, contested and high-profile topics, is complicated and confusing (which is something that I've experienced myself - I was rightly sanctioned by admins for violations of Wikipedia policy when I was inexperienced). Provided that the editor demonstrates an understanding of NPOV and RS (i.e. why saying "false" in a Wikipedia article is OK when reliable sources say it), as well as a promise to not stalk me, I would suggest the admins just warn him/her. A few days ago, I asked the editor to show me reliable sources that contradicted content that I added to the Mitch McConnell page - I would like that the editor be allowed to send me those reliable sources if and when he/she finds them. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 00:40, 11 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by MrX

No evidence of sanctionable conduct has been presented. This seems to be an attempt to win a content dispute by dredging up a previous AE filing, casting aspersions, forum shopping and pinging a couple of sympathetic admins. - Mr X 🖋 13:59, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note by Beyond My Ken

@Rajulbat: Please note that Mitch McConnell is not a "Congressman", he is a United States Senator. (Only members of the House of Representatives are called "Congressman", "Congresswoman" or "Congressperson".) Beyond My Ken (talk) 17:31, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ummm,...yes, it is true. Congress does indeed have two houses, but Senators are never referred to as "Congressmen" or "Congresswomen". Let me repeat that: NEVER

And, yes, this is the place to talk about it, because the fact that you don't know this is a strong indication that you really don't know much of anything about American politics, and that this report is, indeed, simply an attempt to squash an adversary. Beyond My Ken (talk) 23:03, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

And what's this malarkey about providing diffs "under protest"? You expected people to make a decision about another editor's behavior based on your say-so alone? Beyond My Ken (talk) 23:04, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I would concur with Sandstein's comment that a topic ban from American politics for Rajulbat would appear to be in order. Beyond My Ken (talk) 23:09, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

We are all responsible for our own actions, no matter who gave us what advice. Beyond My Ken (talk) 00:38, 11 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

So, if the OP is going to be so busy that any kind of temporary topic ban in American politics isn't going to have any effect on them, the obvious answer is to make it an indef topic ban, and the OP can come around knocking when they have the time and interest to edit in that area again? Beyond My Ken (talk) 12:01, 12 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Cullen 328

Since no evidence of any misconduct has been presented, this should be declined promptly. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 17:58, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The diffs provided since my initial comment do not include any evidence of misconduct so this complaint is without merit. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 00:42, 11 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Davey2010

I know the 24 hour wait was suggested in good faith but IMHO evidence should be provided with the case not 24 hours later, This should be closed now and if the OP wants to return then fine. –Davey2010^Talk 17:47, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by RandomGnome

I can't see how Snoogans has specifically violated the terms of the sanctions currently in place. The OP has additionally failed to provide evidence of other applicable misconduct. In the OP's defense however, I would concur with others who have stated that Snoogans is an editor who walks a very thin line between acceptable behavior and agenda activism. My own opinion is that when that line crossed, any editor needs to be ~~reigned~~ reined in from pushing POV, and the appropriate policy is applied consistently, no matter where the editor's apparent political sympathies may lie. RandomGnome (talk) 18:29, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Before invoking the boomerang, I would ask admins to take into account that an administrator, TP, commented on the ANI that Perhaps a new AE case is warranted. While I obviously cannot comment on the merits of the theoretical AE case TP had in mind, or if they would ever have filed it, the comment could be seen as good faith counseling from a senior editor. I think this needs to be taken into account before handing down overly-prohibitive sanctions to a relatively new user. RandomGnome (talk) 00:16, 11 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Galobtter

The filer has indicated they're not going to be providing the evidence requested, so I'd think this could be closed now. Galobtter (pingó mió) 18:59, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hah, does the OP define "non-NPOV" as anything that he personally thinks isn't neutral?...that would explain a lot; this not understanding that NPOV cannot be defined without looking at the sources would justify a WP:TBAN from AmPol. Diff 11 refers to a vile, oft-repeated conspiracy theory/smear that definitely should be referred to as "false" and considering "falsely claimed" to be SYNTH says more about Rajulbat than Snoogansnoogans - it'd be nice if people actually read policies when referring to them. Galobtter (pingó mió) 08:51, 11 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by MONGO

Lack of diffs to prove the point makes this mute even though such diffs are readily available. Note to OP: don't go to court armed only with an opinion, even if the opinion is based on facts, as we need evidence in the form of diffs that will ensure a sanction can be determined.--MONGO (talk) 19:56, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Objective3000

Taking a very brief look, most of the “edit wars” look like minor skirmishes. #20 was clearly an edit war. But, two other experienced editors took Snoog’s “side” in the war against a new user, and then another brand new user joined against the experienced editors and was blocked. Not a good example for a case against Snoog. The claims of SYNTH don’t look very SYNTHy to me. They appear to be sourced either in the respective articles or a linked article. Perhaps Snoog could use a bit more patience with new users at times. But, this looks like a lot of disagreement over content. I’d suggest that the filer withdraw this complaint as it may not go as planned. O3000 (talk) 22:24, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Editing articles under DS is fraught with varieties of discomfort. A place where some admins fear to tread. (OK, just too intelligent to partake.) Abuses of the drama boards over content disputes, IMHO, need be taken seriously. If I understand correctly, Awilley has suggested a one week TBan and Sandstein three month. I’d suggest something in between, on the side of Awilley’s direction due to the small number of edits; but taking into account the damage of bringing editors to AE for content disagreements. A geometric mean would be 25 days. O3000 (talk) 01:37, 11 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by JzG

The diffs presented do not indicate any problem rising to the level of sanctions. In fat in several cases a barnstar would be a more appropriate response. When sources call people alt-right, white supremacists or whatever, so do we. The fact that some folks don't like it is not our problem to fix. Guy (Help!) 22:58, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

TParis How we represent sources is a matter of editorial judgment, but to state that a Wikipedian is engaging in BLP violations when they cite entirely mainstream sources for a characterisation that partisans dislike is simply wrong. Guy (Help!) 08:42, 11 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by TParis

OP shouldn't be sanctioned for acting on my opinion. I wish they'd have taken more time to do this properly, though.--v/r - T P 00:23, 11 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@JzG: It depends on the source. Some sources are very prone to make a huge stretch to cast wide nets.--v/r - T P 00:23, 11 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by power~enwiki

There's nothing here. Snoogans is an editor who clearly is not a Trump supporter, which if you squint hard enough could be an NPOV concern; we might not have any editors left with that test. I also strongly dislike content additions like [49]; Varney did not address Gohmert's slurs, which were characterized as anti-Semitic, moving the segment on. seems to be implying more than it should about Stuart Varney. None of that is going to result in any action here.

A boomerang may not be necessary (as I doubt Rajulbat knew what they were getting into), but a short one (as either an AP2 TBAN or a ban on filing administrative complaints) wouldn't be harmful. power~enwiki (π, ν) 01:45, 11 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Result concerning Snooganssnoogans

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There is going to be no action here unless you provide evidence, in the forms of diffs to sanctionable conduct. Otherwise, this is casting aspersions and bordering on boomerang territory. GoldenRing (talk) 14:04, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with GoldenRing; if no evidence is provided within the next 24 hours, I'll be closing this AE with no action. Salvio ^{Let's talk about it!} 14:18, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Now that diffs have been provided, I agree with my colleagues that there is nothing sanctionable in there. I don't support a topic ban on OP, however: personally, I'd rather start off with a warning. $Salvio$ ^{Let's talk about it!} 12:08, 11 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I concur. Sandstein 15:29, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
+1. Lord Roem ~ (talk) 16:57, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
As far as I can see here, the filer opened a complaint at WP:ANI during which at least six admins commented that their editing was more of an issue than Snoogans ... so he then opens an AE with no evidence on the same subject? The phrase "complete waste of everyone's time" springs to mind here. Black Kite (talk) 18:38, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
What Black Kite says. Plus, I'm waiting for someone to open up proceedings investigating their edits. Drmies (talk) 18:39, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- I object to the phrase "including but not limited to". Drmies (talk) 00:54, 11 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I've got as far as diff six of the laundry list the OP has posted. My approach to many of those issues have have been slightly different, but I have yet to find anything sanctionable. Diff 1 is the old AE request. Snoogan's edit summary in diff 2 actually points to a discussion where a relevant consensus is evident. Diff 3 involved a reinstatement of sourced content removed by a newbie who didn't discuss the relevant content either before or after their removal; as such, the revert was appropriate. Diff 4 involves two reverts over 36 hours; not nearly enough, by itself, to concern me. Diff 5 concerns a removal of attribution, but that isn't actually prohibited, per YESPOV; the question is only about the degree of support for a given view in reliable sources. The content introduced in diff 6 is explicitly supported by the source. And really that's as far down the list as I'm willing to go, because this is entering WP:BOOMERANG territory, and I for one would be willing to consider a topic-ban on the OP. Vanamonde (talk) 22:28, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I would be amenable to an American Politics t-ban for the OP here, per Black Kite. If that doesn't have support, we definitely need a logged warning about forum-shopping and frivolous requests. Vanamonde (talk) 04:09, 11 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that adding diffs (which in many cases aren't even diffs) hasn't improved the complaint. Looking at the first few items, I too see a mixture of content disputes and insufficiently substantiated allegations of edit-warring. You can't prove edit-warring with a single diff; you'd need several showing repeated reverts. Examining one diff at random in more detail, this edit is alleged by Rajulbat to "introduce blatantly non-NPOV language framed in Wikipedia's voice." However, I see nothing objectionable (at least from a conduct perspective) with this edit. One could perhaps quibble about whether the persons mentioned there should properly be described as "white nationalists" (as they are in the cited CNN source) rather than "white supremacists", but this seems to be a content rather than conduct issue to me, and certainly not non-neutral editing to a degree that would warrant sanctions. This complaint is abusive. I am in favor of a American politics topic ban of Rajulbat for three months. Sandstein 22:43, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Is this some sort of joke? These "diffs" mostly don't show any issues apart from being "edits the OP didn't like". Some of the "edit-warring" is actually fixing issues introduced by others (in one case by a sock). Also, the OP needs to go and read what WP:SYNTH actually means - hint, it doesn't mean "describing something or someone in a way I don't like". Examples: Inserting the wording "was false", "falsely" or similar in an article is absolutely fine when the sources show that thing was false. Or go and read the Young Earth creationism article and see what it says about pseudoscientific beliefs. Sigh ... I think we need a sanction here. Black Kite (talk) 00:00, 11 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Snooganssnoogans: - hence the suggestion of a topic ban from American politics. Stops the problems, lets them carry on editing elsewhere. Black Kite (talk) 00:46, 11 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not at all familiar with the OP but I skimmed the AN/I discussion that led to this and I don't think this request was intended to be the forum shopping that it appears to be, and the initial lack of diffs could be written off as unfamiliarity with AE. I do think a warning about frivolous requests would be appropriate, perhaps even something with set consequences like User:Awilley/Discretionary_sanctions#Auto-boomerang_sanction. ~Awilley (talk) 00:45, 11 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Awilley. And to respond to @Rajulbat:'s latest comment, the problem is not that we don't think civil POV-pushing is a problem (it is) it is that you haven't demonstrated that this is what is happening. GoldenRing (talk) 16:18, 11 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Based on this discussion, there is substantial concern about Rajulbat's competence in editing in the American politics topic area, i.e., not being able to distinguish between non-neutral and other editing. Rajulbat is accordingly topic-banned for three monts. Sandstein 12:46, 12 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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